December 30, 2014

Jon "Loose Lips" Gruber, 2009: The Affordable Care Act Will Not Be Affordable Nor Will We Care Enough to Act. Discuss.
— Ace

Dude has Tourette's or something.

Patrick Howeley at the Daily Caller:

President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House...

Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC....

"The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can't mandate insurance that's not affordable. This is going to be a major issue," Gruber admitted in an October 2, 2009 lecture, the transcript of which comprised the policy brief.

"So what's different this time? Why are we closer than we've ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill's about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let's get the people covered and then let’s do cost control."

I can't wait to not read Politico's absence of a story on this.

Posted by: Ace at 10:56 AM | Comments (412)
Post contains 232 words, total size 2 kb.

1 Lying liars are going to lie.

Posted by: Stanley at December 30, 2014 10:58 AM (XzRw1)

2 off steamy sock.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 30, 2014 10:58 AM (XzRw1)

3 We are all Brits now.

Posted by: Ook? at December 30, 2014 10:59 AM (E/isQ)

4 Lying liar lies.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 10:59 AM (rwI+c)

5 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice Clinic think President Obama should tell these people to quit lying about the new healthcare law and just make it work. This is the best thing for the children and persons of color who lost their health insurance when Bush was president.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein From Brattleboro,VT at December 30, 2014 11:00 AM (Sd++4)

6 Get a rope.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:00 AM (Ua6T/)

7 Importing foreign doctors will save us.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 11:00 AM (rwI+c)

8 Let's force people to buy a product they can't afford that will still leave them with astronomical out of pocket expenses so we can claim we got 10 million people insured!

Posted by: Shorter Gruber at December 30, 2014 11:00 AM (MYCIw)

9 I Can't Believe It's Not Healthcare!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:00 AM (0HooB)

10 SHOCKA

Posted by: Lance McComick at December 30, 2014 11:01 AM (TLetQ)

11 Low-down, dirty... deceiver.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 30, 2014 11:01 AM (iIzG7)

12 Coverage does not mean care. This guy is a magic gnome...and an asshole, but mostly an asshole.

Posted by: Ook? at December 30, 2014 11:01 AM (E/isQ)

13 They never meant it to be anything but a vehicle to let them nationalize the healthcare industry.  And some of them have openly admitted that. 

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:01 AM (u9gzs)

14 We'll make it work.

Posted by: GOPe at December 30, 2014 11:02 AM (XzRw1)

15 in the last hour I: * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.

Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 11:02 AM (E+pqw)

16 13 Yes,the. Idea being once you " give" the people an entitlement,they will never allow you to take it away.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2014 11:02 AM (v5UtH)

17 The fact that this jerk off can safely walk down the street tells one all they need to know about how low this country is being brought by the "progressives".

Posted by: Kreplach at December 30, 2014 11:02 AM (HFRZF)

18 "Importing foreign doctors will save us." Don't be silly. We'll hire the finest doctors to graduate from the no MCAT Caribbean colleges.

Posted by: Shorter Gruber at December 30, 2014 11:02 AM (MYCIw)

19 No, seriously, file this with all the other times pre-passage critics were right and Our Betters told us to STFU.

Posted by: Lance McComick at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (TLetQ)

20 15 Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw)\


Was alcohol involved?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (u9gzs)

21 Hey, the Brits have figured out cost control. It's called the Liverpool Pathway. Once they're dead, no costs. See you H8ters!

Posted by: Old Blue at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (vVSOO)

22 I can't wait to not read Politico's absence of a story on this. I plan on not reading it at least twice. Because I like to be informed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (0HooB)

23 Mmmmm! Chicken...

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (Ua6T/)

24 >>in the last hour I: * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Posted by: ace Do you work for the government?

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 11:03 AM (3rrMW)

25 That's when you give up and order a pizza, ace.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:04 AM (MYCIw)

26 The use of shamans and barbers for routine care is predicted to bend the cost curve down significantly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 30, 2014 11:04 AM (8ZskC)

27 >>>>Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? . . . .That's the first time I have heard nearly 50 million uninsured. The most I remember seeing before was ~35-40 million. Liars gotta lie.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 30, 2014 11:04 AM (4oSLk)

28 "What do you mean I'm overdrawn? I still have checks!"

Posted by: DM at December 30, 2014 11:04 AM (j/tOh)

29 But, we can't impeach anyone when we havd the Senate, or we might lose the 2014 midterms.

Posted by: Lance McComick at December 30, 2014 11:04 AM (TLetQ)

30 My chicken has learned the art of attack well.

Posted by: General Tso at December 30, 2014 11:05 AM (8ZskC)

31 * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. I cannot stress what a bad idea that was. Make reservations at the ER. They get crowded this time of year.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ultron/Skynet '16 at December 30, 2014 11:05 AM (DT3rQ)

32 in the last hour I:

* Burned the sauce I had in the fridge

* Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on

* Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more

* Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot.

BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.

Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw)

 

 

--------------------------------------

 

 

So tune in next week, ladies and gentlemen for another  hour of "Cooking with Ace".

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (gqu+m)

33 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice Clinic think impeaching President Obama would be extremely racist and the world would think we are a joke like when Bush was Presdent. 

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein From Brattleboro,VT at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (Sd++4)

34 Good morning Mr. Gruber, I'll be your new proctologist...

Posted by: Puppy-Sized Spider at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (DT3rQ)

35 15 in the last hour I: ...

BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.
----------------------------------

You could always date a full breasted Asian tranny and have them for dinner. I heard they cook well and do not burn easily.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (XzRw1)

36 Suck it, Ace!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Chicken at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (8ZskC)

37 I wonder if I can work this system at the Ferrari dealership.

Sure the payments are way to high for me to keep making. We can figure out that part later. GIVE ME THE CAR!!!

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (Mxs5H)

38 15 in the last hour I:

* Burned the sauce I had in the fridge

* Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on

* Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more

* Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot.

BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.

Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw)

 

And remember.  The important thing for all of us to take away from this is that ace is able to cook for himself..... almost.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (zt+N6)

39 What appalling cynicism. Don't you know that McConnell and Boehner are all set to fix the problems with Obamacare as soon as they help the president dump another 5 million people onto the Medicaid rolls through "immigration reform"?

Posted by: Austin in TX at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (F9Hpt)

40 * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge Golf clap. That takes an inordinate amount of skill. I generally burn it on the stove.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:06 AM (i/uD6)

41 @27 Fun fact: nobody has any idea how many people are actually uninsured.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (HFRZF)

42 Such a powerful grasp of the obvious.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (08Znv)

43 Funny, I don't recall telling any of my elected officials that I wanted them to destroy the world's best healthcare system.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (0HooB)

44 lets discuss Rape Culture

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)

45 Gruber sez: "Let's get the people covered and then let's do cost control." I'm glad he wasn't my swimming teacher: COACH GRUBER: "Alright, class, jump in the deep end of the pool!" SHIVERING NERD: "But I don't know how to swim yet!" COACH GRUBER: "First let's get you under water, and then we'll deal with teaching you how to swim."

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (K4YiS)

46 in the last hour I: * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Isn't this what twitter is for?

Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (Aoayx)

47 27  .That's the first time I have heard nearly 50 million uninsured. The most I remember seeing before was ~35-40 million. Liars gotta lie.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 30, 2014 04:04 PM (4oSLk)


That 48M number came from the Census Bureau and they counted every damn body including teens that did not need it or want it as well as illegal aliens. 



The actual number of American who wanted and did not have was about 15M if I recall correctly.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (u9gzs)

48 Ace- You work very hard. Maybe you should just-you know-make and eat your lunch and not try to write articles at the same time and dash back and forth between your monitor, the stove and your fridge. The people here can entertain themselves with open threads while you have your lunch. Most of the regulars here including me are not shy about flapping their gums. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (Dj3AB)

49 "Why are we closer than we've ever been before?" Um, cuz you had the White House, the Senate, and the House of Reps, and zero ethics about legislating legally and at least somewhat honestly? And a douchenozzle Preezy who was looking to burnish his knob rather than actually serve the country?

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at December 30, 2014 11:07 AM (RHLfG)

50 UnderpantsGnomeCare

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (TIIx5)

51 The 3-second rule applies to Ewok feet? Kewl.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (mtmZ0)

52 you know they still haven't found that Malaysian Aircraft

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (zOTsN)

53 >>> impeaching President Obama would be extremely racistand the world would think we are a joke Bad news, Mary. Now be getting sammich.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (Ua6T/)

54 >>in the last hour I:

* Burned the sauce I had in the fridge

* Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on

* Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more

* Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot.

BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.

Posted by: ace

Ace, I live in greater NYC metro area, please do me one favor, Just.Step.Away.from.The.Kitchen.

Posted by: Penfold at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (Fbt5B)

55 "What should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way?" Because good government demands enacting policies that we can afford... Eventually, it will be politically unacceptable to continue paying for this mess. In typical academic mindset, he'll reprimand the later generation of lawmakers for not being able to solve the exercise left to the student.

Posted by: dedomeno at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (UccCH)

56 You thought you could just rape me again and again without retribution?

Posted by: The Chicken at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (MYCIw)

57 did you know all three Kardashians posed nude this year? Lets review

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (zOTsN)

58 "Hey, I have an idea how to solve this dilemma: Single Payer!"

Posted by: Disingenuous Progressive at December 30, 2014 11:08 AM (K4YiS)

59 Manspreading. Am I right?

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (zOTsN)

60 Ripe for the pickin'...hated by all...GOP could be heroes if they shut it down...will they??? Not a chance in hell...

Posted by: getonwidit at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (TiTon)

61 Just stop and think about that one for a minute, folks. I mean, we always say they think like this, but it is rather breathtaking for them to be HONEST about their level of cluelessness, deception, and inchorence, no?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (659DL)

62 So they just decided to pound people into the ground with a mandate they can't afford and ASSUME that something would be done about the costs later. Have I got that right?

Bastards. All of them. Tar and feather the lot of them.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (7Kbxu)

63 Ace is a resl catch, Ladies! With his foot, anyway.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (9BRsg)

64 Yeah, about the uninsured- most were by choice (young and/or couldn't afford it) or temporarily (laid off but would be working again soon). Some number of the remainder are/were illegal immigrants. The actual uninsured not by choice was always very small. I could see a targeted plan to help those people that wouldn't involve the shitstorm of overhauling the system for everyone but nooooo they had to go full retard.

Posted by: Lance McComick at December 30, 2014 11:09 AM (TLetQ)

65 Our betters in government: "Let's just get everybody covered and then worry about how to pay for it." And this guy made millions on this scam.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (Dj3AB)

66 Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let's get the people covered and then let's do cost control. - Sounds reasonable IF YOU'RE A FCUKING COMMIE!!!!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (XUKZU)

67 a white republican gave a speech on taxes to some other white guys 12 years ago. Discuss

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (zOTsN)

68 Let's build a diamond staircase to the moon! Pay for it? Ah, we'll deal with that part later.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (K4YiS)

69 Ace you do know that Giada De Laurentiis is now split up with her hubby and she is ready to cook for you.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (u9gzs)

70 BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Good. Germs stimulate the immune system. I never get sick because I eat everything. And I keep toxic levels of bourbon in my bloodstream at all times.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (1xUj/)

71 "Hey, I have an idea how to solve this dilemma: Single Payer!" After you have proven you can handle 15 million, we'll take about maybe raising the amount. 330 million? No f'n way.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (i/uD6)

72 Also, that chicken sounds delicious.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (7Kbxu)

73 @FS

I totally misread what you wrote as "Most of the regulars here including me are not shy about fapping their gums. :^)"  And I was thinking, why gums, have i missed something, how do you get a good stroke... and it has been a long effin' day.

Posted by: Penfold at December 30, 2014 11:10 AM (Fbt5B)

74 My favorite throw away from the article?

"Gruber also said that the only way to control costs is to effectively deny treatment."

Death.
Panels.

/yep, Sarah Palin was right. Suck that libtards!

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 30, 2014 11:11 AM (LeFwz)

75 So they just decided to pound people into the ground with a mandate they can't afford and ASSUME that something would be done about the costs later. This, unfortunately, is how the Republic now functions on every issue. Remember our rock fights, errr..."discussions"...about TARP around here? Same thing, just with Wall Street.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:11 AM (659DL)

76 My liberal friends are finding out that Gruber was so right. Too late. They're taking the penalty and hoping they don't get hurt too bad by dear leader.

Posted by: pj at December 30, 2014 11:12 AM (cHuNI)

77 "Ace is a resl catch, Ladies" That reminds me of the Girlfriends of the Past song. "He doesn't cook or clean, he's not good boyfriend material Oh, we can eat cereal"

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:12 AM (MYCIw)

78 >>Ace you do know that Giada De Laurentiis is now split up with her hubby and she is ready to cook for you. Be sure and ask about her melon recipes.

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 11:12 AM (3rrMW)

79 So what are you burning for dessert?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2014 11:12 AM (g1DWB)

80 A person can hardly be blamed for having loose lips.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 30, 2014 11:12 AM (8ZskC)

81 "Let's just get everybody covered and then worry about how to pay for it." - Same technique I use when buying porn.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 11:13 AM (XUKZU)

82 Ace you do know that Giada De Laurentiis is now split up with her hubby and she is ready to cook for you.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2014 04:10 PM (u9gzs)



Cook? Is there not motorboating to be done?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2014 11:13 AM (mtmZ0)

83 Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way?

Translation: Why must we keep 48-million potential Democrat primary voters off the plantation any longer, when we can rope them in now and then ramp-up the tax on Red America to pay for our clients' "free" health insurance coverage in perpetuity.

One truly, if being honest, must marvel at the near-perfect genius of the Democrat Voter Plantation Machine. Been some hiccups along the way electorally, but the US of A keeps marching steadily along the path FDR put us on in 1933, without even slowing down very much.

Posted by: DocJ at December 30, 2014 11:13 AM (zrsn3)

84 in the last hour I: * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Posted by: ace I thought you had a Chef?

Posted by: BignJames at December 30, 2014 11:13 AM (ZNQKl)

85 And remember. The important thing for all of us to take away from this is that ace is able to cook for himself..... almost. Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2014 04:06 PM (zt+N6) The thing I took away from this is that ace tried cooking something other than pancakes.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2014 11:13 AM (TIIx5)

86 69 Ace you do know that Giada De Laurentiis is now split up with her hubby and she is ready to cook for you. Effing AMEN right there. Giada's got some nice breasts that she can warm right up for you. Chicken breasts that is. Her ex-husband has to be teh ghey.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at December 30, 2014 11:14 AM (RHLfG)

87 @Vic

I think we need to start a gofundme to get Giada to go on a date with Ace. That would be classic. Sorta like when Princess Leia befriended Wicket.

Posted by: Penfold at December 30, 2014 11:14 AM (Fbt5B)

88 And yet this man still walks free.

I guess it's true; steal a loaf of bread and they'll put you in jail. Steal millions and they'll beg you to be on their board of directors.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2014 11:14 AM (RZzX3)

89 >>A person can hardly be blamed for having loose lips. Posted by: Sandra Fluke Well in your case wearing a light skirt in a strong breeze results in a puttering noise.

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 11:14 AM (3rrMW)

90 John Boehner is no Power Forward.
There is Truth to all the smack down of Conservatives.
President Zero has little to bridle his actions and certainly at this point no resistance from Lance Prebus and Crew.
Now a storng conservative stance will not be supported by the Turtle / Republican arm of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Tiger Town Ham at December 30, 2014 11:14 AM (dICjY)

91 Also on the Daily Caller:

"Horse Jockey Masturbates On Patio, Fights Dogs, Assaults Two People, Gets Shot"

FYI, not his patio.

/AOS lifestyle in action?




Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (LeFwz)

92 I thought you had a Chef? If by "chef" you mean "pet rat", yes.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (659DL)

93 >>>* Burned the sauce I had in the fridge . . . .Is that like a Super Power you have, the ability to burn stuff in the refrigerator? Cause I gotta tell you it is lame. Right up there in the lameness of abilities like Aquaman's powers. Just sayin.....

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (4oSLk)

94 We need to pass the bill so we can find out all the lies told to pass it.

Posted by: ep at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (bSWzX)

95 86  Her ex-husband has to be teh ghey.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at December 30, 2014 04:14 PM (RHLfG)


From what I gather it was her idea not his.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (u9gzs)

96 You think Gruber will be eating donuts without sprinkles next year? No he won't. Made a cake for near years day, the glaze will get a generous dash of 2014 cancerous non FDA approved sprinkles.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (zauWW)

97 Her ex-husband has to be teh ghey." Yeah, no joke, I always got gay vibes from him.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (MYCIw)

98 In the last hour I: - Made Thai coconut red curry sauce from scratch; - Stewed chunks of kabocha squash that I grew in my own garden last fall in the curry sauce for 35 minutes. - Took a bite and almost fainted from deliciousness.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:15 AM (K4YiS)

99 Something I forgot to mention about that totalitarian boot stomping on your face: You are expected to lick it.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 30, 2014 11:16 AM (fBxC6)

100 So, O-Care was all about redistributing tax payer money from those who are not connected to those who are. For the Greater Good. Ok then.

Posted by: puddleglum not at work at December 30, 2014 11:16 AM (Lv1uX)

101 Tossed in the frying pan and dropped on the floor is worlds better than the way ace usually treats me.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 30, 2014 11:16 AM (D5hxK)

102 Like I said on Twitter, "We're going to have to deny treatment," but "death panels" are just Sarah Palin's frenzied conservative fever dream or something.


[/sarc]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:16 AM (4df7R)

103 Sure he walks free.  Everybody in this administration including the AG is an unindicted felon.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 30, 2014 11:17 AM (u9gzs)

104 Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:12 PM (MYCIw) Ka-boom!

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 30, 2014 11:17 AM (wVWRM)

105 Mary cloggenGruberstien couldn't wish the superduper VermontCare to sustainability either. Winning! Yay! Third world here we come! Maybe smallpox can make a comeback so we all can be "more" authentic.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal value tibet at December 30, 2014 11:17 AM (kGXCr)

106 * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on - I remember when Tony Soprano's mom did something like that. They put her in a home.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 11:17 AM (XUKZU)

107 That was a BULLSHIT call!

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:17 AM (nL0sw)

108 So, O-Care was all about redistributing tax payer money from those who are not connected to those who are. For the Greater Good. Ok then. Posted by: puddleglum not at work at December 30, 2014 04:16 PM (Lv1uX) *creepy chanting* The Greater Good The Greater Good The Greater Good

Posted by: Neighborhood Watch Alliance at December 30, 2014 11:18 AM (TIIx5)

109 In the last hour I: I, um, I, ah, I commented. Here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:18 AM (0HooB)

110 Made Thai coconut red curry sauce from scratch Well done! And that Thai food is some of the best stuff on earth.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at December 30, 2014 11:18 AM (zauWW)

111 >>> Right up there in the lameness of abilities like Aquaman's powers. Them's fighting words.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:18 AM (Ua6T/)

112 >>>> Tossed in the frying pan and dropped on the floor is worlds better than the way ace usually treats me. Posted by: The Chicken at December 30, 2014 04:16 PM (D5hxK) whoa bro! Ace is a friend, it is Mustaffa, Abdi, Husain, etc. and the rest that are a scourge At least Bill Cosby roofied his victims. aparently there are no roofies in islam

Posted by: The Goat at December 30, 2014 11:19 AM (W6iIX)

113 That ball clearly broke the plane before his knee was down. F the Domers.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:19 AM (nL0sw)

114 in the last hour I: * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw) ***** Threadwinner!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise[/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] at December 30, 2014 11:19 AM (OBxdH)

115 One more time: You can't make something be worth other than what people will pay for it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (659DL)

116 - Took a bite and almost fainted from deliciousness. Get thee to New York. Ace needs you.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (Ua6T/)

117 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:15 PM (K4YiS) It probably doesn't count with many of the morons unless you have big melons. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (Dj3AB)

118 Aquaman's superpower is the ability to appear in a cartoon with only 2 frames per second and still make it look like actual animation. Awesome power indeed!

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (K4YiS)

119 @21 Hey, the Brits have figured out cost control. It's called the Liverpool Pathway. Once they're dead, no costs. See you H8ters! ------------------- Here in the Colonies, we call that the VA pathway...

Posted by: junior at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (UWFpX)

120 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:07 PM (K4YiS)

That's actually how the Navy did it.

At boot camp ('60's era) you climbed a tower above the pool (ten feet?) and then had to jump in and then swim around the deep end one lap.

I told them I couldn't swim, they said jump anyway or else.

Jumped in. Went to the bottom. They pulled me out THEN they taught me to swim. Which btw was lame as all they did was teach me how to float on my back.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2014 11:20 AM (RZzX3)

121 In the last hour I: -- downloaded several episodes of old British sitcoms -- refreshed AoS several dozen times

Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (Aoayx)

122 - Made Thai coconut red curry sauce from scratch;

- Stewed chunks of kabocha squash that I grew in my own garden last fall in the curry sauce for 35 minutes.

- Took a bite and almost fainted from deliciousness.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:15 PM (K4YiS)



Sounds good, zombie, for those that can handle preserved coconut. Me, I always catch this sort of "rancid" overtone when I eat coconut-laden food. I can wrestle it down, but there's a counter-current working against me.



I just finished lunch, too. Grilled-cheese sammiches made from 8-grain bread and Cheddar cheese, cooked in my antique grilled-cheese sammich press with the cloth-covered cord stuffed with death-dealing asbestos. Sammiches were yummy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (mtmZ0)

123 "Horse Jockey Masturbates On Patio, Fights Dogs, Assaults Two People, Gets Shot" FYI, not his patio. Not his horse, either. MENDOOOOOOZA!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (i/uD6)

124 Somehow "Drawing and Quartering" seams too good for this clown.

Posted by: Paladin at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (E1aoU)

125 Death Panels. She could see it from her house.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (MQEz6)

126 117 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:15 PM (K4YiS) It probably doesn't count with many of the morons unless you have big melons. ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke I have big kabochas. Does that count?

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (K4YiS)

127 One more time: You can't make something be worth other than what people will pay for it. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 04:20 PM (659DL) Shut your whore mouth, wingnut.

Posted by: Zombie Steve Jobs at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (TIIx5)

128 Posted by: All 2014 Soothsayers Must Go Clearance Sale! at December 30, 2014 04:07 PM (Aoayx)

Shhh.

He's trying to share.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (RZzX3)

129 I heard tell Giada's got a big head. And breastiges.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM (MDgS8)

130 Giada was rumored to have had a fling with John Mayer a few years back.

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:22 AM (zOTsN)

131 Anyway, over the last hour I may have met the future Mrs. Singer. Don't ask how.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:22 AM (nL0sw)

132 "Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way?"

I know, right?

Why should I deny myself the Ferrari just because I haven't figured out how to make the payments?


Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2014 11:22 AM (ABcz/)

133 Holy crap... it's almost like he's an economist or something.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at December 30, 2014 11:22 AM (SCu3s)

134 It was a strip club wasn't it, country singer?

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (MYCIw)

135 One more time: You can't make something be worth other than what people will pay for it. You can if you can threaten, fine, jail, or shoot those who don't buy it.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (i/uD6)

136 Maybe Guber can invest in this fabulous house of cards?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (ABcz/)

137 Waitaminnit.......ace is eating on blog time????

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (MDgS8)

138 Since we know this awful POS Socialist wet dream will never be repealed, this admission is the equivalent of trolling us. #WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (0HooB)

139 "Let's just get everybody covered and then worry about how to pay for it."

Alternate Gruber 1:  Neither I nor anyone else has figured out how to make this plan work, but let's go ahead and makes everyone's lives depend on it!

Alternate Gruber 2:  Everybody should just use miniature cold fusion reactors to power their homes.  Let's get everybody on fusion power first, and then figure out how to make cold fusion!


Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (/Ho8c)

140 >>> Anyway, over the last hour I may have met the future Mrs. Singer. Don't ask how. Be sure to give her some air holes.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:23 AM (Ua6T/)

141 It was a strip club wasn't it, country singer? Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:23 PM (MYCIw) Worse. Much worse. eharmony.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:24 AM (nL0sw)

142 This guy needs to be in prison.  Or at the very least, personally named in a multitude of lawsuits pertaining to Ocare.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:24 AM (/Ho8c)

143 >>Anyway, over the last hour I may have met the future Mrs. Singer. Don't ask how. Posted by: Country Singer Process server drop by the house?

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 11:24 AM (3rrMW)

144 >>Anyway, over the last hour I may have met the future Mrs. Singer. Don't ask how. Posted by: Country Singer Process server drop by the house?

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 11:24 AM (3rrMW)

145 Country Singer those ladies on the interwebs may not look like the picture they posted

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:24 AM (zOTsN)

146 Be sure to give her some air holes. Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 04:23 PM (Ua6T/) #TotallyNotAEuphemism

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:25 AM (V+kmg)

147 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:21 PM (K4YiS) Can you also wear speedos, get six pack abs and parlay that into some possibly gay cooking show? ;^) It's not that women wouldn't be interested in the other talents but theyare probably more interested in recipes and cooking han the male watchers of "Jade" are

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2014 11:25 AM (Dj3AB)

148 Functionally, what's the difference between what they've done versus kicking my door in at 3am, holding me at gunpoint, and looting my house? I mean, just as long as it goes towards covering 48 million deadbeats who vote reliably for Team Donk. Hell, if they kicked the door, at least I'd have a chance to defend myself. Notsomuch with this crooked bullshit.

Posted by: Jaws at December 30, 2014 11:25 AM (WKNX4)

149 145 Country Singer those ladies on the interwebs may not look like the picture they posted Posted by: Mainstream Media And you're even being optimistic assuming they're "ladies" in the first place.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:25 AM (K4YiS)

150 >>This guy needs to be in prison Seems a bit harsh for burning dinner.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2014 11:25 AM (g1DWB)

151 Like I said earlier, Gruber's analysis of Obamacare is very close to that most of us would agree on. The difference is that the 'right' would argue that if there's no effin' way you can pay for it you don't pass it, while his take was that you pass it and let people learn how expensive it is THEN you'll have political will to ration care.

Posted by: JEM at December 30, 2014 11:26 AM (o+SC1)

152 She wants to eliminate the IRS, limit social services, and uphold the Constitution as written. What's not to like?

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:26 AM (nL0sw)

153 Country Singer those ladies on the interwebs may not look like the picture they posted Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 04:24 PM (zOTsN) Nonsense, my good fellow. Nonsense. Why I have it on a very reliable source that the "Ettes here, as but one example, are all 28, and super hawt.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:26 AM (V+kmg)

154 >>Functionally, what's the difference between what they've done versus kicking my door in at 3am, holding me at gunpoint, and looting my house? I mean, just as long as it goes towards covering 48 million deadbeats who vote reliably for Team Donk. Hell, if they kicked the door, at least I'd have a chance to defend myself. Notsomuch with this crooked bullshit. Posted by: Jaws We can arrange a visit like this too.

Posted by: IRS at December 30, 2014 11:27 AM (3rrMW)

155 Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:24 PM (nL0sw)

So.

Have you met in RL or are you just making assumptions from the picture?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2014 11:27 AM (RZzX3)

156 @108 *creepy chanting* The Greater Good The Greater Good The Greater Good ------------------------ Don't try and drag *us* into this mess...

Posted by: Tau Ethereals in the 41st Century at December 30, 2014 11:27 AM (UWFpX)

157 Anyone say this yet?
.
.
.
.
They'll make it up in volume!!

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (ABcz/)

158 Whatever dude. Who cares what Gruber says? Did you hear a secretary who works for a Republican congressman's sister in law's cousin made an Obama joke today? A fucking Obama joke!!! We have to devote at least 300 man hours to this story.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (0LHZx)

159 Much worse. eharmony. Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:24 PM (nL0sw) Um, that might have been me.

Posted by: A Thai Ladyboy With A Thin Mustache at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (8ZskC)

160 Just remember the hot/ crazy chart.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (MYCIw)

161 She wants to eliminate the IRS, limit social services, and uphold the Constitution as written. What's not to like? I hate to break this to you, but Sarah Palin's already married.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (0HooB)

162 No one could have foreseen this.

Posted by: David Brooks at December 30, 2014 11:28 AM (nFdGS)

163 >>This guy needs to be in prison

Seems a bit harsh for burning dinner. Posted by: JackStraw


lmfao, nice.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:29 AM (/Ho8c)

164 She wants to eliminate the IRS, limit social services, and uphold the Constitution as written. What's not to like? Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:26 PM (nL0sw) Just as a precaution I'd bring a lock pick and tape it on your body somewhere. You know....in case you might find yourself needing one at some point in the evening.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:29 AM (V+kmg)

165 Why I have it on a very reliable source that the "Ettes here, as but one example, are all 28, and super hawt. And they swallow.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, who really tried not to go there at December 30, 2014 11:29 AM (1xUj/)

166 why is she perfect Country Singer? whats the particulars

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:29 AM (zOTsN)

167 while his take was that you pass it and let people learn how expensive it is THEN you'll have political will to ration care. THEN you'll get to meet Mr. Guillotine.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:29 AM (i/uD6)

168 In the last hour I:

- Made Thai coconut red curry sauce from scratch;

- Stewed chunks of kabocha squash that I grew in my own garden last fall in the curry sauce for 35 minutes.

- Took a bite and almost fainted from deliciousness.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:15 PM (K4YiS)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

Will you marry me? 

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:30 AM (gqu+m)

169 Dude's lucky the Clintons are in charge He'd be "lost" in the park already

Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 11:30 AM (/88SZ)

170 31 * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. I cannot stress what a bad idea that was. Make reservations at the ER. They get crowded this time of year. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ultron/Skynet '16 at December 30, 2014 04:05 PM (DT3rQ) Think of the coating of Ewok fur sticking to his chicken as being "high in fiber".

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik's on vacation at December 30, 2014 11:31 AM (MOjUR)

171 My wife and I met online. We just celebrated our 11th anniversary.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2014 11:31 AM (Ua6T/)

172 NCJ how goes the racial profiling

Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

173 @131 - and in the past half-hour her husband introduced himself into the discussion...

Posted by: JEM at December 30, 2014 11:31 AM (o+SC1)

174 167 while his take was that you pass it and let people learn how expensive it is

THEN you'll have political will to ration care.

THEN you'll get to meet Mr. Guillotine.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2014 04:29 PM (i/uD6)



I like the way you think.

Posted by: Madame DeFarge[/i][/b][/s] at December 30, 2014 11:31 AM (oKE6c)

175 Ha! Suck on it, retards!!!

Posted by: Jon Gruber: Smart Guy at December 30, 2014 11:32 AM (S0A/C)

176 She wants to eliminate the IRS, limit social services, and uphold the Constitution as written. What's not to like? - Yeah, that's what they tell you but after you're married it's all constitution smonstitution, we need a bigger safety net.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 11:32 AM (XUKZU)

177 why is she perfect Country Singer? whats the particulars Posted by: Mainstream Media at December 30, 2014 04:29 PM (zOTsN) See my previous post on her politics. Also, I googled her, lol. Either she's legit, or she has an elaborate cover. Just remember the hot/ crazy chart. Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:28 PM (MYCIw) She's (from her pics) realistically about a 7. Good enough for me. Doesn't seem too crazy so far.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:32 AM (nL0sw)

178 I had a really old guy try and pick me up at the movies last night Said I looked like Ann Margaret. Cateracts are a wonderful thing

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:33 AM (zOTsN)

179 No floor's gonna keep me from eating a piece of chicken. Unless it's one of those fuzzy floors.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:33 AM (MDgS8)

180 172. Racial profiling? I live in hawaii There's like ten blacks, a handful of whiteys, bunch of mokes, and more Filipinos than Seattle has Starbucks

Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 11:34 AM (/88SZ)

181 I have 2 friends who married a girl they met online. One of the two's wife is super model hawt and he's (from what the ladies have told me) model-ish himself. And rich too. Not all those pics are fake.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2014 11:34 AM (0LHZx)

182 All of these Prog/Com/Dims who spend money like there's no tomorrow will suddenly start pinching pennies when it comes to our healthcare.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:34 AM (0HooB)

183 I was kidding

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:34 AM (zOTsN)

184 No floor's gonna keep me from eating a piece of chicken. Unless it's one of those fuzzy floors. My floor, my cooties. I'm merely recycling.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:36 AM (0HooB)

185 182 All of these Prog/Com/Dims who spend money like there's no tomorrow will suddenly start pinching pennies when it comes to our healthcare. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American at December 30, 2014 04:34 PM (0HooB) ___________ Kinda. They'll spend lavishly on their constituents...illegals, minorities, union members, govt workers....but make you fill out 10 forms to see a specialist if you're a middle aged, white guy making $75K+ in the private sector.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2014 11:36 AM (0LHZx)

186 There's like ten blacks, a handful of whiteys f*ckin' haoles, bunch of mokes, and more Filipinos than Seattle has Starbucks Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 04:34 PM (/88SZ) FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:36 AM (V+kmg)

187  I was kidding

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 04:34 PM (zOTsN)

 

 

------------------------------------

 

 

So you do look  like Ann Margaret.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:36 AM (gqu+m)

188 Why I have it on a very reliable source that the "Ettes here, as but one example, are all 28, and super hawt.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2014 04:26 PM (V+kmg)



I was hoping for  an  age range  around 14 or  15.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 30, 2014 11:36 AM (BLFGI)

189 Congrats then, Country Singer. I hope it works out for you!

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:37 AM (MYCIw)

190 I was hoping foran age range around 14 or 15. Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 30, 2014 04:36 PM (BLFGI) _______ So you like 'em old eh?

Posted by: Harry Reid (D-NV) at December 30, 2014 11:37 AM (0LHZx)

191 no. I was kidding about NCJ racial profiling!

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:37 AM (zOTsN)

192 Lord, I do hate these people.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2014 11:38 AM (xWW96)

193 I know a couple of people who met online. Cheers Country Singer

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:38 AM (zOTsN)

194 186. I see you've been here

Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 11:39 AM (/88SZ)

195 I just assumed all the ettes looked like Bonnie Bedelia circa 1997.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:39 AM (MDgS8)

196 I was hoping foran age range around 14 or 15. Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 30, 2014 04:36 PM (BLFGI) you gonna roofie that?

Posted by: Bill Cosby at December 30, 2014 11:39 AM (W6iIX)

197 Congrats then, Country Singer. I hope it works out for you! Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:37 PM (MYCIw) Meh, we'll see what happens. I don't have a good track record with this kind of thing. My posting about it was a result of the sheer amazement that a female would consider me a remote possibility for romantic involvement.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:39 AM (nL0sw)

198 There was only one perfect country singer and that was Waylon. All others, shut the hell up.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:40 AM (659DL)

199 Too bad Gruber did not give that speech in front of the Euro-American Alliance it would be front page news.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 11:40 AM (3jmxp)

200 I see you've been here Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 04:39 PM (/88SZ) Indeed. Schofield, 1990.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:40 AM (V+kmg)

201 My posting about it was a result of the sheer amazement that a female would consider me a remote possibility for romantic involvement. Look, if Mrs. Circa ended up with me, the universe will ALWAYS have an unsolvable mystery.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:41 AM (659DL)

202 There was only one perfect country singer and that was Waylon. All others, shut the hell up. Hank Williams. Please for you to be getting off my lawn now.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:41 AM (i/uD6)

203 And this comment from Gruber was from.....2009. He said a bunch of stuff all along the way. Was anyone paying attention? Did anyone care? Did anyone know who Gruber actually was in 2009?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after dark at December 30, 2014 11:41 AM (+1T7c)

204 Country Singer - best of luck, i was unlucky until i met my wife.

Posted by: Penfold at December 30, 2014 11:42 AM (Fbt5B)

205 All the creepy rapists around this place are a little creepy.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:43 AM (/Ho8c)

206 What's odd is that Guber couldn't stop himself from letting the truth slip out. I'm sure a lot of it was arrogance, but I think he also just couldn't believe the con actually worked. And he has to know that it will be the country's biggest clu$#erf#ck EVER. Think it's some sort of unconscious guilt compelling him to say this stuff - like he wanted to get caught so he could stop pretending Obamacare was the solution (when it's single payer they cooked this up to produce).

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2014 11:43 AM (ABcz/)

207 There was only one perfect country singer and that was Waylon. Wasn't him that sang the perfect country & western song.

Posted by: David Allan Coe at December 30, 2014 11:43 AM (Ua6T/)

208 Patsy Cline

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:44 AM (zOTsN)

209 200 I see you've been here
Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 04:39 PM (/88SZ)
Indeed. Schofield, 1990.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2014 04:40 PM (V+kmg)



I went to high school there. It was a while before I realized that "f*cking haole" was two words.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s] at December 30, 2014 11:44 AM (oKE6c)

210 Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:39 PM (nL0sw) First things first . Lose that negative attitude. You've got to act like you are the catch of a lifetime without being arrogant about it. Confidence draws women in like a vacuum cleaner in a dust storm.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 11:44 AM (3jmxp)

211 It ain't Waylon, but Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and Kris Kristofferson are playing the Winstar Casino next year.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:44 AM (MYCIw)

212 I met a girl online once.  Her pic was very pretty.  She was from Ghana.  She said she really loved me.  Then I told her I wouldn't buy her an iPhone.......

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:44 AM (gqu+m)

213 198 There was only one perfect country singer and that was Waylon. All others, shut the hell up. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) ___________________ Ahem. * cracks knuckles *

Posted by: Wynn Stewart at December 30, 2014 11:45 AM (UlJ3l)

214

My kind of joke. Heh.

http://tinyurl.com/oefzb8c

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (xWW96)

215 Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 04:44 PM (3jmxp) That's just me lowering my own expectations. I know what I bring to the table, lol.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (nL0sw)

216 Did anyone know who Gruber actually was in 2009? Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after dark

Can't say that I knew his name at the time, but I do recall this comment and others like it being discussed on the blogosphere and possibly talk radio at the time.  Just like the dark underside of Oblammy (I denounce myself), the information was there very early on.  It wasn't reported by the MSM, but it was still there and not that hard to find.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (/Ho8c)

217 *taps chin* No offense to the dear departed, but maybe it's time to change it to Gruber Gaffes. Besides I like alliteration.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (mf5HN)

218 I was drunk the day my Mom got out of prison... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAOVRkSCWmg

Posted by: David Allan Coe at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (Ua6T/)

219 I liked the jewish one... Patsy Cline.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (MDgS8)

220 Stop me...before I lie again!

Posted by: Jon Gruber: Smart Guy at December 30, 2014 11:46 AM (S0A/C)

221 I was drunk the day my Mom got out of prison... lol

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:47 AM (MDgS8)

222 Best Country song of all time is Almost Home by Craig Morgan. By far in my humble opinion.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 11:47 AM (3jmxp)

223 Did anyone know who Gruber actually was in 2009? ___________ I still don't know who he is. Some guy on the news, I think

Posted by: Barry H at December 30, 2014 11:48 AM (0LHZx)

224 Did Kinsley croak?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 30, 2014 11:48 AM (1xUj/)

225 Crazy by Patsy Cline. come on Walking After Midnight

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:48 AM (zOTsN)

226 Best Country song of all time is Almost Home by Craig Morgan. He Stopped Loving Her Today. And it's not even close.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:48 AM (659DL)

227 Besides I like alliteration. Kinky.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:49 AM (i/uD6)

228 See, that is not the best country and western song. The best country and western song is The Ride because, ghost Hank.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:49 AM (MYCIw)

229 Best song by country singers?  Whiskey Lulliby.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:49 AM (gqu+m)

230 I still don't know who he is. Some guy on the news, I think Posted by: Barry H at December 30, 2014 04:48 PM (0LHZx) That Gruber guy died when he fell out of Nakatomi Plaza!

Posted by: ChooChoo Joey B at December 30, 2014 11:49 AM (nL0sw)

231

I saw Vic caught this upstream.  48 million?  48 million??!

 

Ridiculous.

 

First of all, nobody - nobody - goes without actual critically needed medical care.  From emergency rooms for trauma on up through Medicaid and private and state-level programs, everyone gets what they NEED.

 

So, what's a meaningful - and policy-relevant - definition of those in "need of insurance"?  Involuntarily, financially unable uninsured people who don't qualify for the myriad of public and private medical care benefit programs, who are US citizens or legal residents.  Vic mentioned 15 million.  I think even a cursory scrub of THAT number using the above definition would shrink it to under 10 million.

 

So to "cover" 10 million people in a nation of 320 million, the entire system had to be turned upside down? 

 

And of course, this leaves aside the key fact that even the tiny number of involuntarily uninsured would face no particular issue with MOST of their medical needs if a health insurance market were allowed to actually exist, and weren't ruined by state and federal interference.

 

There isn't much basis for optimism when a complete non-issue, which is only an issue because of govt. meddling, is created out of thin air and used as a rationale to seriously damage the country's freedom, economy, and welfare - even as a clear majority (almost mysteriously, given the apparent effective national IQ recently) vigorously opposed it all.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2014 11:49 AM (afQnV)

232 Let's bring MORE people into this out-of-control system! Pure Bureaucrat Thinking.

Posted by: --- at December 30, 2014 11:50 AM (MMC8r)

233 He Stopped Loving Her Today. And it's not even close. Posted by: Circa Yeah.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:50 AM (i/uD6)

234 It doesn't even matter if Gruber's comments make the NBC Nightly News or not. It's too late to reverse course. 10 million people are now getting free** health insurance from Obamacare. Ain't no way the GOP is ever going to undo that. Those pussies couldn't cut $10M PBS funding. ** Of course nothing is free, but to the LIV it is free and that's what counts

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2014 11:50 AM (0LHZx)

235 My posting about it was a result of the sheer amazement that a female would consider me a remote possibility for romantic involvement. Heh, not that I have any experience with it, but you may want to consider a saying: "There are many girls on the girl tree."

Posted by: CM at December 30, 2014 11:50 AM (0NdlF)

236 Gruber: "Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let's get the people covered and then let's do cost control." Cost control in "a politically acceptable way" is ultimately going to come down to forcibly impressing medical professionals into service. Shanghai-ing them. Oh, you wanted to retire or change fields? Sorry. No can do. The good of "the people" must come first, you understand. You *do* wish to attend to the good of "the people", do you not? Good. That's good. It is to your credit that you have seen the light. It would have been unpleasant to have to have you sent for mandatory re-education sessions.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (noWW6)

237 I'd say Chisled in Stone ranks right with He stopped loving her today

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (MYCIw)

238 OK, there's still a googles. Kinsley has not croaked. A Kinsley Gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth. So which dear departed is disrespected if it's a Gruber Gaffe? Actually, Gruber's been pretty f-ing honest.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (1xUj/)

239 Hahahahahahaaha

Posted by: the chicken at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (nqBYe)

240 And this comment from Gruber was from.....2009. He said a bunch of stuff all along the way. Was anyone paying attention? Did anyone care? Did anyone know who Gruber actually was in 2009? I'm reminded of Iowahawk's tweet: It's the media's job to cover stories. With a pillow until they don't move.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (0HooB)

241 How many people have signed up on the exchanges? 7M if you stretch the numbers, right?

Unless my maths are all wrong, 7M << 48M.  So, there's still scads of people not covered.  Or am I missing something?

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:51 AM (/Ho8c)

242 "There are many girls on the girl tree." Posted by: CM at December 30, 2014 04:50 PM (0NdlF) Heh. And here I've been out in a boat fishing.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:52 AM (nL0sw)

243 I'd say Chisled in Stone ranks right with He stopped loving her today Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:51 PM (MYCIw) Just stand there in your wrongy mcwrongness, commie.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:52 AM (659DL)

244 Damn I am clever. Big freeze coming up, here in California. I have some young fruit trees that I planted. These particular trees need warm weather and one is warned that a freeze could kill them, expecially when they're still little trees. Now, previously, years ago, I bought a mattress that cam covered in a large plastic wrapping. because I'm that kind of person, I saved the wrapper, "just in case" it might come in handy for some unknown future use. it's basically a gigantic clear plastic bag, big even to fit a mattress. Or, for that matter...a tree! Just now I successfully pulled the bag completely over the tree and tied it around the trunk, creating a self-contained mini greenhouse. Nice.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:52 AM (K4YiS)

245 "There are many girls on the girl tree."

Posted by: CM at December 30, 2014 04:50 PM (0NdlF)

 

 

-------------------------------------

 

 

Yeah, but many of them have been ruined by avion peckers.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 11:52 AM (gqu+m)

246 nice to know they have made it impossible for me to get insured, and also that they will punish me on the tax return for the privilege.

Posted by: willow at December 30, 2014 11:53 AM (nqBYe)

247 nice to know they have made it impossible for me to get insured, and also that they will punish me on the tax return for the privilege.

Posted by: willow at December 30, 2014 11:53 AM (nqBYe)

248 "There are many girls on the girl tree." Posted by: CM

Say what?

*begins looking for tree*

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 11:53 AM (/Ho8c)

249 Wait! Wait! Wait wait wait.... Does this mean- ....that my free healthcare isn't free? A-and it actually costs more? Oh, you must listen to Faux News, wing nut. President Obama wouldn't lie.

Posted by: All Libtards Everywhere at December 30, 2014 11:53 AM (0cMkb)

250 So, there's still scads of people not covered. Or am I missing something? Just because you put MIT jerseys on everyone at HHS doesn't make them the Los Angeles Lakers. Or something.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:54 AM (659DL)

251 Let's bring MORE people into this out-of-control system! Pure Bureaucrat Thinking. Posted by: --- at December 30, 2014 04:50 PM (MMC8r) No, that's not like rank-and-file bureaucrat thinking. That kind of thinking takes a special kind of bureaucrat.... The Schedule C appointee.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/i][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 11:54 AM (V+kmg)

252 I'd say Chisled in Stone ranks right with He stopped loving her today Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 04:51 PM (MYCIw) I opened for Vern Gosdin once, about a year before he died.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:54 AM (nL0sw)

253 Affordable, unaffordable. Whatever.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at December 30, 2014 11:55 AM (6NIyO)

254 he stopped loving her today oh that is good

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 11:55 AM (zOTsN)

255 Will Liz Warren run a campaign for Death Panels 2016. They'll be politically popular about then. Police unions, VA will be the first wave.

Posted by: Doctor What at December 30, 2014 11:55 AM (yn6XZ)

256 I opened for Vern Gosdin once, about a year before he died.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:54 PM (nL0sw)


Hope you are not suggesting a cause and effect.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at December 30, 2014 11:55 AM (BLFGI)

257 Here's how this is going to go: 

1. The State breaks the market for _______;
2. Prices for _______ skyrocket;
3. The State imposes cost controls to hide its political embarrassment;
4. MAJOR FUCKING SHORTAGES occur because of the aforementioned price-fixing;
5. A black market springs up almost overnight to Give the People What They Want;
6. The State really can't tolerate the existence of the aforementioned black market, so it imposes increasingly draconian penalties for participating in that black market, up to and including treating violators as though they are basically as bad as murderers.

See, e.g., every government that ever failed.

Posted by: Phinn at December 30, 2014 11:56 AM (i5GO4)

258 I opened for Vern Gosdin once, about a year before he died.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:54 PM (nL0sw)



I open for Huma all the time.

Posted by: Hilarity Clinton at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (BLFGI)

259 Girl-tree. Good one. Someone's been snorting the old Yggdrasil again, huh.
Yeah, they grow on a tree. And there is a serpent perpetually gnawing at its root.

Not to mention, it's in Ass Guard. Just your luck.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (xq1UY)

260 It's not that Gruber is lying. That's not it at all. In fact, he's telling the truth. What upsetting is that he recites disastrous facts and then treats them as positives. He's sort of like this generation's Cloward and Piven -- who were the first ones to overtly state that the goal of the welfare system is to bankrupt capitalism so as to usher in communism. They're not liars -- they're just honest about their villainy.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (K4YiS)

261 I am sitting here on the edge of my seat waiting for an update on dinner. What happened to the rest of the chicken? Can the sauce be saved? Are you gonna eat that?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (g1DWB)

262 Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at December 30, 2014 04:55 PM (BLFGI) Not at all. He was in really poor health for a long time and actually cut short his time on stage that night.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (nL0sw)

263 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:52 PM (K4YiS) Lowe's sells cover material that fits. You should not use plastic or at least the plastic should not touch the foliage. Just FYI.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (3jmxp)

264 1. The State breaks the market for _______; 2. Prices for _______ skyrocket; 3. The State imposes cost controls to hide its political embarrassment; 4. MAJOR FUCKING SHORTAGES occur because of the aforementioned price-fixing; 5. A black market springs up almost overnight to Give the People What They Want; 6. The State really can't tolerate the existence of the aforementioned black market, so it imposes increasingly draconian penalties for participating in that black market, up to and including treating violators as though they are basically as bad as murderers. Venezuela on Lines One through milk and eggs.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2014 11:57 AM (659DL)

265 Some twitter widget is really screwing the front page. One more reason to love twitter.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 11:58 AM (MDgS8)

266 perhaps ace should have made a goose. sauce for the goose and all that. nevermind.

Posted by: willow at December 30, 2014 11:58 AM (nqBYe)

267 6. The State really can't tolerate the existence of the aforementioned black market, so it imposes increasingly draconian penalties for participating in that black market, up to and including treating violators as though they are basically as bad as murderers. State enforcers start getting taken out by parents who lost a child due to governmental incompetency.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 11:59 AM (i/uD6)

268 single payer?

Posted by: willow at December 30, 2014 11:59 AM (nqBYe)

269 I wonder what medical code they will use for their political enemies? What will the charts say? Do not resuscitate? Administer morphine?

Posted by: navybrat at December 30, 2014 11:59 AM (JgC5a)

270 Dennis Miller's twitter account died a few weeks ago. Just vanished. He had half a million followers. He's got his radio showing going, regular FoxNews gig with O'Reilly. Wonder why he nuked his twitter account?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 30, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

271 Just got back from watching Unbroken.  So does anyone want a movie review?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 12:00 PM (LrtOu)

272 * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge

I have never been able to burn anything that was still in the fridge.  I bow to the master.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 30, 2014 12:00 PM (4WhSY)

273

T. Jeff, you're not missing a thing, you're just using completely baseless numbers.  There were never anything like 48 million involuntarily uninsured who wanted/needed it (unlikely there was even a third of that number).  And what portion of the "7 million" are just replacing insurance destroyed by "reform", not getting it for the first time?  So the "net" O-care "winners" number in the low millions, tops.

 

I seem to recall NJ alone was estimating 800K losing private insurance, in CA it would be in the millions (including me).  It must vary from state to state, but in CA it is literally unaffordable now for many people to have even the basic (already nearly destroyed by govt. regulation) "insurance" they've had for decades. 

 

People now face the choice between a small mortgage payment for bare-bones catastrophic-type coverage, and Medicaid, or going naked or doing short-term insurance (also bare-bones, neither one exempting you from Roberts' magic "tax", unless some of the legislating-via-email-and-press-conference done in the past year opened a loophole).  People who have, their entire lives, made sure they were covered, without "help".

 

Moo Moo, correct about the likely uselessness of the GOP, but wrong for the reason in this case.  There is hardly any new constituency of any significance that has been created, vs. tens of millions dramatically and directly hurt by this idiocy.  So your back-of-envelope political calculation is wrong.  But - the outcome may be as you predict anyway.  Why?  The "representative" part of our representative govt. seems to have essentially evaporated, in effect.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2014 12:00 PM (afQnV)

274 Some twitter widget is really screwing the front page. I think it's the CPR Monkey post. I've been getting a warning ever since it went up the other day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 12:01 PM (0HooB)

275 271 Just got back from watching Unbroken. So does anyone want a movie review? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 05:00 PM (LrtOu) Yes please.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 30, 2014 12:01 PM (dFi94)

276 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 05:00 PM (LrtOu) Yes please

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 12:01 PM (3jmxp)

277 "229 Best song by country singers? Whiskey Lulliby.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 04:49 PM (gqu+m)"



This.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 30, 2014 12:01 PM (PD6iL)

278 269 I wonder what medical code they will use for their political enemies? What will the charts say? Do not resuscitate? Administer morphine? "What does this code 'Enemy of the People' mean?" "Nothing. You understand, right, comrade?"

Posted by: CM at December 30, 2014 12:01 PM (0NdlF)

279 Bob Beckel is a fat POS.

Posted by: thathalfrican at December 30, 2014 12:02 PM (R5HRU)

280 Just got back from watching Unbroken. So does anyone want a movie review? Just cut to the chase. Did they break him?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 30, 2014 12:02 PM (8ZskC)

281 Not at all. He was in really poor health for a long time and actually cut short his time on stage that night.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 04:57 PM (nL0sw)


I was just joshing.  Of course there was no cause  and effect.  Known a lot of great musicians who are opening acts who are as good, if not better, than the star  performer.  Music is a very tough business, as you well know.  I respect all musicians since I can't carry a tune in a bucket.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at December 30, 2014 12:02 PM (BLFGI)

282 Just got back from watching Unbroken. So does anyone want a movie review?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 05:00 PM (LrtOu)

 

 

-------------------------------------

 

 

We're going to get one anyway, aren't we?

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 12:02 PM (gqu+m)

283 I wonder what medical code they will use for their political enemies? -- I think they already have a medical code: "white male"

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 30, 2014 12:03 PM (ZPrif)

284 I can't believe I put Howie Carr on radio while I went to my kitchen to call about replacement credit card & they started talking about Doonesbury comic! Someone screwed up & my replacement credit card wasn't expedited. Man yesterday morning called me second time after nine am to get CS & ask to expedite it.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:03 PM (sj3Ax)

285 Best song by country singers? Whiskey Lulliby. Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 04:49 PM (gqu+m) Lyrically, it's a true work of art: "She put him out like the burning end of a midnight cigarette." That is the work of genius (in this case, Whisperin' Bill Anderson).

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:03 PM (nL0sw)

286 Best country song? Nobody Answers When I Call Your Name Vince Gill

Posted by: grammie winger at December 30, 2014 12:04 PM (dFi94)

287 Just got back from watching Unbroken. So does anyone want a movie review? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 05:00 PM (LrtOu) Is Angelina's directing as purty as her mouth?

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2014 12:04 PM (MDgS8)

288 unbroken review- don't ask -don't tell!

Posted by: willow at December 30, 2014 12:04 PM (nqBYe)

289 zombie, you've been around enough to see the Government films from the 30's.  The ones with Woody and Cisco Houston soundtracks? What a California fruit farmer does when a freeze is coming is, first, stay up all night with the family, because, watching the orchard makes the frost stay away right. Then, with Just One Shovel, trench between all the trees and all the way around the outside. Flood trench with fuel oil and tetch 'er off. No shit, this is how they said to do it.

Could explain why Vic Hanson is in such great shape for a classics scholar.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2014 12:04 PM (xq1UY)

290 Yes please, movie review but no spoilers. 

Awesome book, btw.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 12:04 PM (/Ho8c)

291 "Giada was rumored to have had a fling with John Mayer..."

And? Every woman has had a fling with John Mayer except Hillary Clinton.I don't know what he's got in his pants, but his music sure is weak and... flaccid.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 30, 2014 12:05 PM (nz9rD)

292 I think they already have a medical code: "white male">>>

But with the right politics or $contribution you can have the (D) designation

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 30, 2014 12:05 PM (Mxs5H)

293 zombie, you've been around enough to see the Government films from the 30's. The ones with Woody and Cisco Houston soundtracks? What a California fruit farmer does when a freeze is coming smoke dope and start raping teh wimmins?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:05 PM (i/uD6)

294 Wow, Country Singer, that must have been quite an experience.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 12:06 PM (MYCIw)

295 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2014 05:04 PM (xq1UY) I remember when the Florida citrus farmers would burn tires to protect their orchards from freezing.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:07 PM (nL0sw)

296 You have to love  Gruber.  He is probably the ONLY honest liberal out there.


As an economist he's trained to explain money.  He's no politician.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2014 12:07 PM (0FSuD)

297 Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 05:03 PM (nL0sw) Do you write music? I've had lyrics for a country song for years but I can't begin to write a bridge for it .

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 12:08 PM (3jmxp)

298 Jeebus Crisco.... I must be old. Best Country Western. Patsy Cline.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 30, 2014 12:08 PM (NaV4z)

299 My opinion: Unbroken was good....but not great (like the book was). She went all cliché. And she dodged the real religious element, substituting a false but comfortable line. That's OK - it's still a great story, the movie is well done without any huge flaws, and it entertained. 3.5 stars out of 5.

Posted by: goatexchange at December 30, 2014 12:08 PM (sYUHT)

300 Too late to do anything. The squirrelheaded bastards already destroyed American health care. That was the purpose of ubabacare all along. It is the opening barrage of the overthrow of America. Can we reverse it? Only think I know was ever reversed was Prohibition.

Posted by: Erowmero at December 30, 2014 12:08 PM (go5uR)

301 Since the Horde is a wee bit tetchy...

A vignette from the movie.  The Liberator 'Green Hornet' had just crashed into the Pacific.  One of the waist window .50cal mounts traps Zamp as the shattered fuselage fills with the vengeful  ocean.  Then the fuselage twists on its side and Zamp manages to swim out through the waist position.  As he pulls the lanyard on his Mae West and starts to swim to the surface far above, in the darker blue background see parts of the fuselage falling into the deeps and then as Zamp sweeps his arms downward to boost his speed to reach air you recognized one of the darker shapes is the body of one his crewmates also sinking.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 12:09 PM (LrtOu)

302 Wow, Country Singer, that must have been quite an experience. Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 05:06 PM (MYCIw) It was, getting to share a stage with a legend. Even though I never "made it," the whole experience of chasing the neon rainbow was a lot of fun. I also played Tootsie's once with Gary Rossington playing lead guitar for me; that was nothing short of surreal.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:10 PM (nL0sw)

303 "Importing foreign doctors will save us." I went to an immigrant doctor once. Next time I needed to make an appointment, he had vanished. He later turned up in prison doing 3 years for Medicare/Medicaid fraud.

Posted by: despair at December 30, 2014 12:10 PM (dcY7v)

304 But, some Republican Congressman gave a talk to a "racist" group 13 years ago... Now that's news....

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at December 30, 2014 12:11 PM (Bn6aD)

305 "we don't yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way" -Gruber

because death panels and rationing care aren't politically acceptable

they're the goal of the left, but they aren't politically acceptable to the electorate

Posted by: futz at December 30, 2014 12:11 PM (fG412)

306 BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway.

Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw)


Bachelors , what can you do with them?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2014 12:11 PM (0FSuD)

307 A vignette from the movie. The Liberator 'Green Hornet' had just crashed into the Pacific. One of the waist window .50cal mounts traps Zamp as the shattered fuselage fills with the vengeful ocean. Then the fuselage twists on its side and Zamp manages to swim out through the waist position. As he pulls the lanyard on his Mae West and starts to swim to the surface far above, in the darker blue background see parts of the fuselage falling into the deeps and then as Zamp sweeps his arms downward to boost his speed to reach air you recognized one of the darker shapes is the body of one his crewmates also sinking.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 05:09 PM (LrtOu)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Go on.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 12:11 PM (gqu+m)

308 He later turned up in prison doing 3 years for Medicare/Medicaid fraud.>>>

Is he out yet we need administrators and he sounds like he has a great grasp of our systems.

Posted by: HHS at December 30, 2014 12:12 PM (Mxs5H)

309 Country Singer, Good. Luck!

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:12 PM (sj3Ax)

310 zombie: Depending on how cold exactly it's planning on getting (anthropomorphizing the weather is good for it), you may be able to simply get by with spraying down the leaves with water. The water freezes first, liberating enough heat to the leaves to keep them from freezing, & also provides an insulative layer. Doesn't work if the temp is going to be below 26F-ish for more than a couple of hours, though.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 30, 2014 12:12 PM (MbqmP)

311 Bachelors , what can you do with them?

We have some ideas.

Posted by: The Soylent Corporation at December 30, 2014 12:12 PM (4WhSY)

312

Might actually have to go see not just one, but three movies.  Unbroken, the Turing/Bletchley Park thing, and American Sniper.  Hear good things about the last two - and await Anna's judgement on the first.

 

Still skeptical, but feel I at least have to go peek at them.  Was so disappointed in Lone Survivor - well not surprised, just totally unimpressed.  Hollywood's got good technical people, but apparently zero talent for letting fantastic true stories tell themselves on screen.  This includes Clint with Flags of Our Fathers, tied with Lone Survivor for the movie that captured the least power and magic of the actual true stories they told.  Just pathetic.

 

I wrote off the Enigma movie when I heard about it, assuming it would be some idiotic gay-persecution sob bathos story vs. some part of the amazing and important code-breaking story.  But word is they avoided that, somehow (and I mean somehow, given the talent level and obssessive and stupid agendas in Hollyweird).  Of course the Bletchley Park part of the story was just one, and from a cinematic perspective the dullest.  Portraying just some highlights of the espionage, book-and-machine-snatching miracles, and battlefield protection/exploitation parts of the Enigma history would make a spectacularly entertaining (and entirely accurate) movie.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2014 12:13 PM (afQnV)

313 For those not watching, this ND-LSU game is a great game. Tied 28-28 near the end of the 3rd.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 12:14 PM (rwI+c)

314 Bachelors , what can you do with them? We have some ideas. Posted by: The Soylent Corporation Might want to call China.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:14 PM (i/uD6)

315 Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2014 05:13 PM (afQnV) I heard The Gambler with Marky Mark was pretty good.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 12:14 PM (3jmxp)

316 Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 05:08 PM (3jmxp) Unfortunately, no. It's something I've tried my hand at, but I've never really developed. That's why I have a lot of respect for songwriters, both the lyricists and the composers; I just have no talent for it. Also, that's where the real money in music is made.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:15 PM (nL0sw)

317 313 For those not watching, this ND-LSU game is a great game. Tied 28-28 near the end of the 3rd. Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 05:14 PM (rwI+c) Thanks. I had forgotten to turn it on.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 30, 2014 12:15 PM (dFi94)

318 Let's chug this bottle of bath-distilled vodka before we talk about boring shit like "liver damage".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 30, 2014 12:15 PM (z/HLo)

319 For those not watching, this ND-LSU game is a great game. Tied 28-28 near the end of the 3rd.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 05:14 PM (rwI+c)

 

 

---------------------------------------

 

 

LSU is playing North Dakota?

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 12:15 PM (gqu+m)

320 Might want to call China.

We tried that.  The focus group said the crackers were spicy, but an hour later they were hungry again.

Posted by: The Soylent Corporation at December 30, 2014 12:15 PM (4WhSY)

321 "Bob Beckle is a fat POS"

And his bluster is so obvious. He was just saying that out of all the potential GOP nominees, "Jeb scares the hell out of me the most..."

Right.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 30, 2014 12:16 PM (nz9rD)

322 Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 05:12 PM (sj3Ax) Thanks!

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:16 PM (nL0sw)

323 And his bluster is so obvious. He was just saying that out of all the potential GOP nominees, "Jeb scares the hell out of me the most... He scares Me too, but for different reasons...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at December 30, 2014 12:16 PM (Bn6aD)

324 I'm not going to say what I expect any minute now.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:18 PM (sj3Ax)

325 Don't worry, all you middle-classers & fly-overs will get fine medical care from Nurse Practitioners. Via Skype. From India. And that settee of grandma's you always wanted? You'll be getting it a lot sooner than you think!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, SingleMaltScotchGender at December 30, 2014 12:18 PM (ojfYH)

326 Is 63% bad? DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT Venezuela enters recession, inflation tops 63%... drudge.tw/174ilns

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 30, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

327 OT, but when did Marie Osmond start to look like a Latino women?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 30, 2014 12:18 PM (nz9rD)

328 A nice touch I don't remember from the book is Phil talking about Eddie Rickbacher's crash in the Pacific a year before.  It was because of that incident Zamp, Phil, and Mac found all that equipment on the life rafts.

Very nice in how during their 45+ days adrift everything weathered.  The bright chrome yellow of the rafts by the end has faded and frayed to a dull yellow.  Clothes weathered and frayed.  And how emanciated they all looked, counting ribs.

The Arisaka rifles looked right.  Straight bolts.  And one even had the crazy long legged bipod.  Zamp's first captors are Naval, the shoulder anchor insignia was a cool touch.  The Bird yeah they captured him in all his sadistic glory with his kendo stick.

Movie ends with real footage of Zamp doing the Olympic torch relay through Japan when he was 80.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 12:19 PM (LrtOu)

329 Steele's got that deer in the headlights look. http://tinyurl.com/qzdduoa

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 12:19 PM (XUKZU)

330 Jeb scares the hell out of me Beckel's blubber scares the hell out of me. Call Captain Ahab.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 30, 2014 12:20 PM (W5DcG)

331

Hmm, controlling costs of medical care.  How could it be done.  Perhaps like every other cost that was ever contained, ever.  Competition, innovation, and choice. 

 

Public goods, private goods.  Ninety % of the smartest citizens don't understand this distinction, but it is essentially the entire answer to most questions of policy.  Health care for almost everyone is a private good.  Private goods are produced best in a maximally free economy.  Innovation and cost-containment go hand in hand (see .... well, any dynamic product or service market you can think of). 

 

Best policy (i.e. benefitting everyone the most) WRT private goods?  Leave the markets alone, let them provide, innovate, compete.

 

Public good portion of health care (as with food, housing) is tiny % of those unable to provide for themselves.  Do we have food-stamp stores?  Have they been building public housing since Cabrini-Green?  Nope.  Cash transfers.  To participate in the market.  Duhh.

 

Medical care cost in recent times is exactly like long-distance telephone service before the telecom revolution.  Or air fares before airline dereg.  Hello? 

 

Try these explanatory exercises on your average "educated", "smart" coastal clueless lib.  Puzzled looks.  Emotional upset.  They are aggressively illiterate and stupid in every single thing that they don't engage in personally - where they of course are rational self-maximizers, like everyone else.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2014 12:21 PM (afQnV)

332 327 OT, but when did Marie Osmond start to look like a Latino women? Posted by: JoeF. ---------------- The same time as Donny.

Posted by: Roy at December 30, 2014 12:21 PM (fWLrt)

333 The Socialists blame hoarders and disrupters. Again. DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT Venezuela enters recession, inflation tops 63%... drudge.tw/174ilns Venezuela's socialist government blames political opponents, who protested in the streets for four months earlier this year, for damaging the South American OPEC nation's economy. The protests resulted in violence that killed 43 people. "These actions against public order blocked the correct distribution of basic goods to the population, as well as the normal development of production of goods and services," the bank statement said. "This resulted in an inflationary spike and a fall in economic activity."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 30, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

334 I thought about doing the online dating thing... With my luck, I'd get someone like MUMR stalking me. Best of luck Country Singer.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 30, 2014 12:22 PM (OsWis)

335 On "The Five", all the hosts have their agendas, but Beckle's the only one who's on-the -clock and working for the DNC the whole time. Every thing he says is all designed to keep moving  forward whatever the current talking points are....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 30, 2014 12:22 PM (nz9rD)

336 Maybe the Osmands are really half-Mexican?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 30, 2014 12:23 PM (nz9rD)

337 "Oh, you must listen to Faux News, wing nut." The swan song of our nice civilization.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez needs to start drinking at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (go6ud)

338 263 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 04:52 PM (K4YiS) Lowe's sells cover material that fits. You should not use plastic or at least the plastic should not touch the foliage. Just FYI. Posted by: Bob Belcher What will happen if the plastic touches the foliage? I've been in citrus groves and they are sometimes covered in plastic during freezes. Considering that the freeze will be accompanies by gale-force winds, keeping the cover away from the leaves is impossible. However bad the plastic-leaf contact may be, it's better tan the tree freeing to death, which is what would happen.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (K4YiS)

339 It was, getting to share a stage with a legend. Even though I never "made it," the whole experience of chasing the neon rainbow was a lot of fun. I also played Tootsie's once with Gary Rossington playing lead guitar for me; that was nothing short of surreal. I backed up Jimmie Vaughan once and opened up for Leon Russell and Humble Pie during my "career." But yeah, it's a tough business especially at the local level. I was really counting on two gigs this week that got cancelled because our front man has the flu. I'm seriously fucked now, since I have bills due.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (0HooB)

340 Okay.  Gotta go buy a new coffee maker before I go to work.  "Old Faithful"  gave me it's all this morning.  One last gurgle and it was gone.  Sad.

Posted by: Soona at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (gqu+m)

341 Pro Tip:  When you want to demonstrate how serious you are about Affordable Care, never use one of those carnival "high striker" clown mallets to gavel the passing of a motion.

Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (UzPAd)

342 Beckel sucks. He still thinks of himself as a political operative. Probably because he is.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 30, 2014 12:25 PM (ZPrif)

343 Will Liz Warren run a campaign for Death Panels 2016. They'll be politically popular about then. - Grandma had a good run. 47 is kind of young but really, what's she got left?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 12:26 PM (XUKZU)

344 What did I say about someone showing up? I see two from MUMR. Are they going to say HODOR when I refresh?

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:26 PM (sj3Ax)

345 The Socialists blame hoarders and disrupters. Again. Pro tip: If your economy can't handle people holding on to two rolss of TP, you have bigger problems.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:27 PM (i/uD6)

346 Grandma had a good run. 47 is kind of young but really, what's she got left? Posted by: The Great White Snark

Just wait....

Posted by: Logan at December 30, 2014 12:27 PM (/Ho8c)

347 wtf is wrong with MUMR?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 30, 2014 12:27 PM (OsWis)

348 289 zombie, you've been around enough to see the Government films from the 30's. The ones with Woody and Cisco Houston soundtracks? What a California fruit farmer does when a freeze is coming is, first, stay up all night with the family, because, watching the orchard makes the frost stay away right. Then, with Just One Shovel, trench between all the trees and all the way around the outside. Flood trench with fuel oil and tetch 'er off. No shit, this is how they said to do it. Could explain why Vic Hanson is in such great shape for a classics scholar. Posted by: Stringer Davis I tried that, but ended up burning down the neighborhood and causing $5.7 billion in damages. All to save one little tree.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 12:27 PM (K4YiS)

349 Insane talk I.

Posted by: MUMR at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (/Ho8c)

350 See, this is why we don't speak of the devil.

Posted by: Lauren at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (MYCIw)

351 Someone needs to tell MUMR that none of the song titles he is posting ever got much airplay on country stations.

Posted by: Zombie Porter Wagoner at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (UlJ3l)

352 BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Posted by: ace at December 30, 2014 04:02 PM (E+pqw) Come to the Dark Side, Ace ...

Posted by: Chick Fil A at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (GrXXa)

353 Country Singer, You deserve a break. I sincerely hope you get one.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (sj3Ax)

354
"Hmm, controlling costs of medical care. How could it be done. Perhaps like every other cost that was ever contained, ever. Competition, innovation, and choice."

You assume that the point of the exercise is increase freedom and quality life. Sorry, no, the point is power: their power over us. Which is why a flawed but potentially superlative health-care infrastructure is being replaced by a government run machine that doles out healthcare-like treatment product.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (zcbZo)

355 Hey Jonathan, I totally understand where you're coming from.

Yup.

Uh-huh.

Yessir.

I like to watch, do you?
I'll start.

Posted by: Garry Trudeau at December 30, 2014 12:28 PM (sH832)

356 >>wtf is wrong with MUMR? Posted by: SMFH Well he just posted "I am a disgusting knob jockey" so you seem to have your answer.

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 12:29 PM (3rrMW)

357 310 zombie: Depending on how cold exactly it's planning on getting (anthropomorphizing the weather is good for it), you may be able to simply get by with spraying down the leaves with water. The water freezes first, liberating enough heat to the leaves to keep them from freezing, & also provides an insulative layer. Doesn't work if the temp is going to be below 26F-ish for more than a couple of hours, though. Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages Yeah, I know about that tchnique. However, an earlier tree did die a few years backs during a freeze when I did the water trick and nothing else. Gotta cover 'em this time, no question. With wind chill, it's gonna be freakin' COLD. It's already cold and the REAL cold hasn't even officially arrived yet. Also it will last for about three days, not three hours.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 12:29 PM (K4YiS)

358 Aviator, I saw that...seems to be an explanation that is fitting...

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 30, 2014 12:30 PM (OsWis)

359 "Old Faithful" gave me it's all this morning. One last gurgle and it was gone. Sad.

Maybe if you'd have just used it to make coffee it would have lasted longer, you sicko.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 30, 2014 12:31 PM (sH832)

360 See, that is not the best country and western song. The best country and western song is The Ride because, ghost Hank. - You Done Stomped On My Heart (And Squashed That Sucker Flat)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 12:31 PM (XUKZU)

361 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American at December 30, 2014 05:25 PM (0HooB) Been there! Almost have the repo'd truck paid off.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:31 PM (nL0sw)

362 @325 that settee of grandma's you always wanted?

I'm a spelling Nazi. It's "Suttee."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (xq1UY)

363 360, *wipes screen*

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (OsWis)

364 The Banhammer seems to be knocking MUMR senseless.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (/Ho8c)

365 Lauren, My mother wouldn't even allow us to say that word, she'd say debil instead. That's not a misspelling that's how I would spell her pronounciation of that word. I put TCM on & Planet of the Apes is on. I turned it off.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (sj3Ax)

366 >>Old Faithful" gave me it's all this morning. One last gurgle and it was gone. Sad. Posted by: Soona How is the toaster doing?

Posted by: Aviator at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (3rrMW)

367 my bad, #359

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (OsWis)

368 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at December 30, 2014 12:32 PM (LoIJo)

369 310 zombie:

There's a product called "Cloud Cover". It's a spray, and it's better than water. (Wife had a farmer's market for years - our garden was certified with Santa Clara County).

We put floating row cover on our citrus trees as well, hold it on with clothes pins/clips.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 30, 2014 12:33 PM (sH832)

370 DADDY WHY U NO LOVE ME Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

lol

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 12:33 PM (/Ho8c)

371 The only real nit-picks lie with the B-24s.

Jolie got things right with Pacific Liberators in many respects.  They operated at lower altitudes so did not need the oxygen or the massive flak gear their European counterparts wore.  Another field modification for Pacific D models was the removal of the tail turret and changing it to the open configuration seen in the movie with just a single .50cal.

Only late model Ds had the Sperry ball turret.  Not sure what the serial number for 'Green Hornet' was.  As for Superman.  With hydraulics out, the Sperry ball turret would not retract into the fuselage and thus trapping the ball turret gunner in.  And you will never see a B-24 on the ground with the ball turret extended because there is not enough ground clearance for it, so that ball turret during the crash landing would have sheared off ripping the fuselage and killing the gunner.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2014 12:33 PM (LrtOu)

372 Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 05:28 PM (sj3Ax) Actually, I'm doing pretty well these days. Just need to find that "right" woman, and I'm all good.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 30, 2014 12:34 PM (nL0sw)

373 What we need is a large influx of third world "medical professionals".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 30, 2014 12:34 PM (W5DcG)

374 Good news for the gun grabbers. http://tinyurl.com/pqucoyg

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 12:34 PM (XUKZU)

375 Oh yeah, also if you take Xmas lights and put them around the base of plants - we've got Angel Trumpets that are tropical, and they survive freezes. Banana's too!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 30, 2014 12:35 PM (sH832)

376 * Burned the sauce I had in the fridge * Burned the chicken I was going to put the sauce on * Took the new sauce I made off the stove too early, and had to scoop it back out into the pan to cook more * Dropped a piece of chicken while I was doing this, which landed on my foot. BTW, i ate that piece of chicken anyway. Recipe from the Best Selling Cookbook- "Cooking the Obamacare Way"

Posted by: naturalfake at December 30, 2014 12:35 PM (0cMkb)

377 From the USDA official instructions: "Cover the lemon tree with old blankets for the night. Drape them over the canopy and envelope the plant completely from the top to the ground to create an environment warmer than the ambient air. Do not use plastic, which does not retain heat as well. " Ah so the problem with plastic is not that it will hurt the tree, but merely that it lets out more heat that solid fabric coverings so. That, I'm not worried about. I just need some protection, not airtight perfect protection. It's gonna be in the upper 20s, probably -- as long as I keep one layer on the trees to boost them a few degrees, I think they'll be OK

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 12:35 PM (K4YiS)

378 Country Singer, Well, then you'll find one, one of these days.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:36 PM (sj3Ax)

379 What we need is a large influx of third world "medical professionals". Because a dead chicken nailed to the door cures so many things.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American[/i][/s][/b][/u] at December 30, 2014 12:36 PM (0HooB)

380 Good news for the gun grabbers. http://tinyurl.com/pqucoyg Posted by: The Great White Snark Dayum.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:37 PM (i/uD6)

381 Hate speech! Hate speech! http://tinyurl.com/kqw3js6

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 30, 2014 12:37 PM (XUKZU)

382 Good news for the gun grabbers.

Accidents happen.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 30, 2014 12:38 PM (XzRw1)

383 369 310 zombie: There's a product called "Cloud Cover". It's a spray, and it's better than water. (Wife had a farmer's market for years - our garden was certified with Santa Clara County). We put floating row cover on our citrus trees as well, hold it on with clothes pins/clips. Posted by: Clutch Cargo I want to avoid: - Purchasing anything for this purpose; - Doing anything that involves a lot of labor, like building a frame around the tree. Quick and simple, free plastic bag, ten minutes, done. That's my style. That's all I'm prepared to invest in this.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 12:38 PM (K4YiS)

384 I read that 67 year old man beaten in NYC & it was racially motivated. Man is white.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:39 PM (sj3Ax)

385 Woo Hoo! Heat wave! It made it all the way to 3 degrees! (Sorry Zombie, but I just had to do that)

Posted by: Old Blue at December 30, 2014 12:39 PM (vVSOO)

386 Wow, the instapundit article about the Indonesian tranny hooker murder-suicide is... uh... in English. Sort of. Though generally referring to a person with a penis as "she" is considered an insult where I come from.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 30, 2014 12:40 PM (MbqmP)

387 I read that 67 year old man beaten in NYC & it was racially motivated. Man is white. Posted by: Carol

Unpossible.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 12:41 PM (/Ho8c)

388 Oh, yeah. I forget that water costs more than gasoline in Clownifornia now.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 30, 2014 12:41 PM (MbqmP)

389 "We'll continue doing what we have been doing, trying to get the president's message out on the ground. Whether it's in the suburban areas of Northern Virginia, or Denver, Ohio, to talk about what the president wants to do in the future. That's the other thing that you find most often with women. They're not really concerned about what's happened over the last four years, they really want to know what's going to happen in the next four years."
 -- Obama spokes-one Stephanie Cutter

Posted by: I'm not a spokes-one or even an actor playing a spokes-one at December 30, 2014 12:42 PM (e8kgV)

390 I read on Twitter & link led to The Blaze re: 67 year old white man.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:42 PM (sj3Ax)

391 EVEN MY TAPEWORMS DON"T LIKE ME Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney I'm choking to death here.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 30, 2014 12:42 PM (rwI+c)

392 Go takes your meds!

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:43 PM (sj3Ax)

393 Can you say morally bankrupt? Someone poured a barrel full of Veritaserum down this clowns throat.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Highland Park 18 ahhh; never too early for New Year's at December 30, 2014 12:43 PM (IXrOn)

394 For reals, dude needs some help.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 30, 2014 12:44 PM (/Ho8c)

395 He's worse than usual today.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:44 PM (sj3Ax)

396 >>>
389 "We'll continue doing what we have been doing, trying to get the president's message out on the ground. Whether it's in the suburban areas of Northern Virginia, or Denver, Ohio, to talk about what the president wants to do in the future. That's the other thing that you find most often with women. They're not really concerned about what's happened over the last four years, they really want to know what's going to happen in the next four years."
-- Obama spokes-one Stephanie Cutter

Posted by: I'm not a spokes-one or even an actor playing a spokes-one at December 30, 2014 05:42 PM (e8kgV)



Yup. Just tell them what they want to hear. Works every time.

Posted by: Typical Womanizer at December 30, 2014 12:44 PM (fBxC6)

397 must be free time before dinner at the mental ward

Posted by: ThunderB at December 30, 2014 12:44 PM (zOTsN)

398 "We'll continue doing what we have been doing, trying to get the president's message out on the ground. Whether it's in the suburban areas of Northern Virginia, or Denver, Ohio, to talk about what the president wants to do in the future. Golf. How hard was that?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:45 PM (i/uD6)

399 Don't worry about costs. Get everyone covered and then we'll control costs. Don't worry about people losing their jobs when we raise the minimum wage. Get everyone rich first and then it won't matter that everyone is unemployed (link on instapundit). We're gonna need more studies, because common sense has been bred out of the population, and we're gonna need more experts to tell everyone what to think and how to think about it. It's for your own good.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 30, 2014 12:45 PM (mo0D+)

400 395 He's worse than usual today.

The electroshock only lasts for a few days.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 30, 2014 12:46 PM (XzRw1)

401 Nood. With Lena. Might want to stay here where it's safer.

Posted by: CM at December 30, 2014 12:47 PM (0NdlF)

402 zombie, any chance you can rig up a safe heat source for your tree? A hair drier aided by a cover for the tree could save the day.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2014 12:47 PM (MQEz6)

403 We're gonna need more studies, because common sense has been bred out of the population, Just like turkeys. Take large groups outside at onset of rain. Look and point skyward. Quietly go back inside. Watch as group drowns.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:49 PM (i/uD6)

404 zombie, any chance you can rig up a safe heat source for your tree? Smudge pots.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at December 30, 2014 12:50 PM (i/uD6)

405 ThunderB, It's same time frame every day. I don't want to read about Dunham today either. I am not interested in anything today. I've tried reading a book, watching on demand, radio, reading here & I can't go to return something because they'll want to credit my credit card & it's cancelled! Someone tried to spend $350 at Kohl's with it & they called me. Credit card is cancelled now.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2014 12:53 PM (sj3Ax)

406 200 I see you've been here Posted by: Navycopjoe got 2 Kimbers for Xmas at December 30, 2014 04:39 PM (/88SZ) -------- Four tours. And it's "f*ckin' haole b*tch".

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 30, 2014 12:58 PM (KH1sk)

407 I, according to family legend, am 1/32 Cherokee. Suck it you white bastards.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, SingleMaltScotchGender at December 30, 2014 01:01 PM (ojfYH)

408 Quick and simple, free plastic bag, ten minutes, done.
That's my style. That's all I'm prepared to invest in this.


that describes me too, but I don't think I need the plastic bag!
Do I?

BTW, the floating row cover gets used year after year - but damn, this wind!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 30, 2014 01:05 PM (sH832)

409 zombie, any chance you can rig up a safe heat source for your tree?

That's what we do - use Xmas lights, old C9's. Throw out shitloads of heat. Just coil them around the tree/plant. They're all ready for their margaritas!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 30, 2014 01:06 PM (sH832)

410 No ! Do. Not. Want. Staying on this thread, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez needs to start drinking at December 30, 2014 01:29 PM (go6ud)

411 zombie, 100 watt light bulb, halogen work light or kerosene lantern would all work. I kept a giant spider plant alive outside, here in N. Louisiana under plastic, heated with a light bulb all winter long for a couple years...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 30, 2014 01:39 PM (4DCSq)

412 Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2014 05:35 PM (K4YiS The part of the foliage touching the plastic will freeze as the plastic has no insulation.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 30, 2014 02:04 PM (3jmxp)

Hide Comments | Add Comment




What colour is a green orange?




251kb generated in CPU 0.43, elapsed 1.485 seconds.
64 queries taking 1.2383 seconds, 650 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.