June 28, 2006
— Ace Paul Bettany has been approached to play the Crown Prince of Crime for the Batman sequel.
Meanwhile, Robin Williams is all but wearing a Catwoman-suit to lobby for the part, and raves about graphic novels to demonstrate his comics-cred.
And he worked with director Chris Nolan before, of course.
It's nice that Robin Williams can discuss the comic Arkham Asylum, but really, look at the two pictures. Is it even close?
Sorry, hate to be a dick, but the Joker's thin. Bettany even looks like the Joker, without makeup.
Posted by: Evil Otto at June 28, 2006 01:51 PM (fcCt3)
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Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 01:59 PM (+DMjG)
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Posted by: Marty at June 28, 2006 02:02 PM (bRX19)
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Posted by: thelinyguy at June 28, 2006 02:07 PM (7xc/4)
Posted by: Big E at June 28, 2006 02:15 PM (0YKcF)
Unless Cesar Romero is available.
Posted by: Don Carne at June 28, 2006 02:21 PM (RJDcF)
These guys would've been fluff boys back in my day.
Posted by: Ceasar Romero at June 28, 2006 02:36 PM (BOUnj)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2006 02:47 PM (Pwzb0)
Posted by: Pepper at June 28, 2006 03:35 PM (knOfd)
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Posted by: UGAdawg at June 28, 2006 03:49 PM (alGm/)
Speak Truth to Batman!
And he is FUNNY Goddammit!
Posted by: Blind Howlin' Moonbat at June 28, 2006 03:52 PM (fpJc1)
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Posted by: Slublog at June 28, 2006 04:07 PM (7b+a2)
Pearce is a good choice, but I think maybe someone like Eddie Izzard. The Joker has to have pizazz.
Posted by: dorkafork at June 28, 2006 05:15 PM (ksDNy)
Posted by: Vyce at June 28, 2006 05:19 PM (mkMAC)
And your tail is cool. Just don't tell Eddie.
Posted by: middleroad at June 28, 2006 05:22 PM (ftdXf)
I know that that's a photoshpped picture, but just look at it!
Posted by: jmchez at June 28, 2006 05:24 PM (JY98e)
This idea that the Joker needs to be played by a comic is stupid. The Joker is not funny and never has been. He spits out a thousand jokes and 999 of them are just groaningly lame puns.
He just needs to look scary. I think Bettany's eyes are scary and Joker like in that one pic.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 05:26 PM (h7Mal)
Posted by: at June 28, 2006 05:34 PM (YT1oP)
He was occasionally funny in the cartoon. But that was just an inspired series with a great performance by Mark Hammill.
Even there, most of his lines aren't really funny. Certainly he's not funny when he's TRYING to be funny. He's funny when he loses it in frustration or the like.
When he's trying to be funny, it's just a steady stream of vaudville era idiocy.
Even his implements of death are stupid. A squirting flower? A joy buzzer? They're cool because they're weapons, but they sure aren't funny.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 05:40 PM (h7Mal)
Oh, yeah, I can just see it now:
"Do you think I'm going to let you walk away with all the attention? No chance, come on girls. Let's go shopping."
Or to the Riddler:
"Oh, for goodness sakes, look at yourself, Riddler. How many times do I have to tell you? Green is not your color! "
Posted by: cheshirecat at June 28, 2006 05:43 PM (2unJ/)
As in-- wasn't even funny enough to make a meager living working the drunken 2AM crowds in the shithole comedy clubs.
Look at Al Franken. Al Franken is not funny.
But Al Franken was funny enough to make a living at it.
Now, if Al Franken can be in movies and on TV, think about how friggin' lame the Joker's act had to be.
Rupert Pupkin, people. Rupert Pupkin.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 05:47 PM (h7Mal)
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Posted by: dorkafork at June 28, 2006 05:57 PM (ksDNy)
Though I don't know how you guys get Cassel or Guy Pearce as the Joker.
Over on the thread linked above, someone suggested Tim Roth, who could do it. (Though he's short, but Hollywood has 100 years experience cheating height.)
Would make for a nice Oldman-Roth reunion.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 05:58 PM (h7Mal)
of Vincent Cassel is even more frightening than the photoshopped-Joker one!
Posted by: jmchez at June 28, 2006 06:01 PM (JY98e)
On the persona of the Joker, I kinda like Grant Morrison's take on him in Arkham Asylum: that there is no single personality that can be identified as the Joker. He is a collection of infinitely varying personas, and has no idea from day to day or even moment to moment which one will rise to take control. That's the key to what makes him such a terrifying character - sheer unpredictability, complete irrationality as a foil to the hyper-rationality of Gotham's Finest. You can't predict him, you can't profile him, because not even he knows what he's going to do, or why.
As far as the look, I'd vote for heavy reliance on The Killing Joke - that one showed a Joker who was by turns malignant, tragic, hateful, confused, you name it, and all of it conveyed within the context of that same clownish demeanor. Particularly telling is a scene toward the end, when Batman roars to the rescue to save Commissioner Gordon and catches the Joker in the Batmobile's headlights: the Joker looks at him with a spiteful, childish smile that's sad, infuriating, and frightening all at once. If you can find an actor/director combination that can nail that, you've done justice to the Joker.
Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 06:14 PM (+DMjG)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2006 07:33 PM (Pwzb0)
(Of course, they screwed up even worse by having Tommy Lee Jones, who could have been an excellent traditional Two-Face, since he can play both authority figure and menace, by having him be just another hyper-manic asshole. As if Carrey wasn't enough.)
Carrey's best work is when he palys regular guys who have inspired outbursts rather than constant mania like Ace Ventura. You can root for Stanley when he puts on the Mask. Ace, you just want to see killed after five minutes.
Far better results come from having actors really act rather than do schtick with branding.
How many people saw that old Borg episode on Star Trek:TNG and though Patrick Stewart should be Mr. Freeze? Instead we got some wretched stunt casting of Arnold, who could have been perfectly good with a character suited to his physical type. Although the only Batman villain that comes to mind he would never do, since Bane is perpetually masked.
The Riddler has a certain manic quality but nowhere near that of the Joker. Frank Gorshin was great in that awful show because he understood the Riddler is a frustrated pseudo-intellectual. He wants to be regarded as a deep thinker but his strength is for stringing together bits of trivia. The guy I wanted to see do the Riddler when he was young enough was Jeff Goldblum. He has shown in some roles he can be wonderfully evil while ranting in a strangely calm way. His voice saying, "Riddle me this, Batman..." really works.
(Denny O'Neill did a great Question story where he got to the heart of the Riddler's personality after he'd come to terms with his mediocrity and wanted to go straight in a new town.)
I agree with Mister Tang. The one moment where the Nicholson Joker was great was the childlike way in which he addressed the loss of his poison gas filled ballons. "Those are my balloons. He took my ballons." A friend who with me for that first theatrical viewing said that bit made her feel terrible because for a moment she felt sympathetic with the Joker's loss of his deadly toys.
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Posted by: epobirs at June 29, 2006 02:41 AM (UlX4W)
Bettany has more of the Mr. Freeze Look.
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Posted by: carl at June 29, 2006 06:52 AM (lSOjk)
As you probably already know, he was the voice of one of the two "Ambiguously Gay Duo" characters, Gary I think.
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