March 30, 2008
— Open Blog Given his comments on the state of the Democratic Party it sure seems like he isn't interested in staying there anymore:
Well, I say that the Democratic Party changed. The Democratic Party today was not the party it was in 2000. It's not the Bill Clinton-Al Gore party, which was strong internationalists, strong on defense, pro-trade, pro-reform in our domestic government. It's been effectively taken over by a small group on the left of the party that is protectionist, isolationist and basically will --and very, very hyperpartisan. So it pains me. I'm a Democrat who came to the party in the era of President John F. Kennedy. It's a strange turn of the road when I find among the candidates running this year that the one, in my opinion, closest to the Kennedy legacy, the John F. Kennedy legacy, is John S. McCain.
So where does he go? Well he could just hold on to his Senate seat, but if he really wants to angry up the Kos Kiddies he takes a run at VP.
I know most of the people here wouldn't be crazy about such a ticket, but I am an incrementalist. I believe that as long as the country's politics are headed in the direction I like I can live with small gains consistently made. I think that at least in the areas that I believe are most important at the moment, Iraq / Afghanistan and the Supreme Court, a McCain / Lieberman ticket would be pretty solid. I am also realistic enough to know that the Republican Convention would never nominate a McCain / Lieberman ticket.
Of course I would prefer it if McCain chose Dick Cheney but that's never happening so...
Posted by: lorien1973 at March 30, 2008 03:43 PM (smYGJ)
Chad, I think you are wrong on the supreme court part of a lieberman ticket.
And if Joe wants John to win, he'll push him to pick a VP who will at least placate the right wing of the party.
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:43 PM (E5mM5)
Look, Joe is okay for a Liberal Democrat. But he is still a Liberal Democrat. Big deal that he's right on a couple of issues. A broken watch is still right twice a day.
In other words: Do Not Want
What a huge mistake bringing this guy on the ticket. Talk about alienating your base...
Posted by: Bart at March 30, 2008 03:46 PM (sVohG)
He supports limiting punitive damages in court.
He is pro-education voucher.
He does draw a big strike from me on Gun Control but hopefully DC v. Heller will moot that point, and he is a mixed bag as far as abortion rights, but that isn't a hot button topic for me. It would probably be a deal breaker for others
Posted by: chad at March 30, 2008 03:48 PM (WNcvq)
Posted by: chad at March 30, 2008 03:51 PM (WNcvq)
Posted by: Bart at March 30, 2008 03:55 PM (sVohG)
(from wikipedia, but it jives with my memory)
Since 2000, he rescinded his support for the proposition, saying that he expressed support "without understand[ing] the intent of Proposition 209", and renounced any support for Proposition 209. In the 2000 campaign, Lieberman assured the black voters, "I have supported affirmative action, I do support affirmative action, and I will support affirmative action because history and current reality make it necessary."
In 2003, Lieberman criticized Bush's affirmative action policy. In 2004, he reiterated his support, "I support affirmative action programs, including in appropriate instances consideration of race and gender in government contracting decisions, when the affirmative action program is designed to remedy the effects of past discrimination."
Lieberman has stated he wants to increase subsidies for women-owned non-profit business, and he voted yes on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities and women.
Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 03:57 PM (rZa+A)
Posted by: chad at March 30, 2008 03:58 PM (WNcvq)
Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 04:00 PM (rZa+A)
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:04 PM (E5mM5)
Maybe Mary Carey? :-)
Posted by: chad at March 30, 2008 04:05 PM (WNcvq)
Lieberman is a tool. This guy rand for VP and the senate in the same year on 2 different platforms. Before that I used to respect Joe for his work in the Senate. In the end he is just a politician who will say or do whatever is necessary to further his agenda. His shtick is getting old.
Posted by: jiminjersey at March 30, 2008 04:08 PM (2zbJD)
I think a lot of Tina Turner conservatives are hoping that after being slapped around by McVain all these years, he'll prove that "deep down, he's a good man" and make everything all right by picking a real conservative for VP. I think it's more likely he'll pick an open-borders, anti-Wall Street, global warming true believer like Tim Pawlenty. Lieberman certainly fills the bill in those regards.
Posted by: V the K at March 30, 2008 04:08 PM (/0sRQ)
Posted by: mydemonsdriveon at March 30, 2008 04:09 PM (M/Sou)
lorien1973 gets it close enough for me.
Posted by: runninrebel at March 30, 2008 04:11 PM (o/KrO)
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:12 PM (E5mM5)
Liberman is a non-starter.I remember his shamefull recount behavior in 2000.
The only reason I'll pull the lever for McCain is the alternative is a little worse.
Liberman would effectively make the difference irrelevant.
Posted by: jjshaka at March 30, 2008 04:15 PM (Hx99T)
Posted by: Bart at March 30, 2008 04:15 PM (sVohG)
Or Kinky Friedman.
Posted by: Bart at March 30, 2008 04:19 PM (sVohG)
Then consider a President Lieberman.
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at March 30, 2008 04:20 PM (mRCVy)
Posted by: cruzer at March 30, 2008 04:21 PM (MoSub)
Wicked has been kinda scarce around here since the Hostages got started. (He's been kinda scarce there a while too. I suspect he's in the Lake County Jail).
I was thinking more of a current moron.
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:24 PM (E5mM5)
It's a strange turn of the road when I find among the candidates running this year that the one, in my opinion, closest to the Kennedy legacy, the John F. Kennedy legacy, is John S. McCain.
The surprising thing isn't whether or not Lieberman is chosen, the surprising thing is that we are in a position where he would even be considered. Strange turn of the road, indeed.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2008 04:27 PM (t+mja)
Posted by: Mahon at March 30, 2008 04:29 PM (cSegs)
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:39 PM (E5mM5)
Or at least Sara Palin so I can scope out her boobs.
Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:41 PM (E5mM5)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 30, 2008 04:43 PM (bXLu6)
Posted by: DIck Nixon at March 30, 2008 04:53 PM (vxEdG)
Posted by: watcher of the world at March 30, 2008 05:18 PM (8VUP5)
Posted by: Ron La Canne at March 30, 2008 05:38 PM (O3tvY)
But I just don't.
There's no VP-choice bad enough to make me change my mind, and really none good enough to make me very enthusiastic.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 06:02 PM (WirW3)
Lieberman is a wise old Jewish man. He shouldn't run with another older man, he needs a sweet moppet or a troubled, street-smart kid. Lieberman can train the kid in ancient Ashkenazi Kazakh fighting techniques and impart wisdom via pithy Yiddish idioms. Then they can take on the corrupt police chief.
(You know what's scary? The Democrats really do seem to be running their primary on the basis of which candidate would be best to star in an original Lifetime network movie -- the brave woman starting a new life on her own, or the Magic Black Guy.)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 30, 2008 06:03 PM (Ya/9X)
Then consider a President Lieberman.
I have a hunch the next president (whoever it is) will be only a one-termer, which would mitigate the McCain age factor somewhat. But I'm still not crazy about Lieberman as either his running mate or his veep.
Posted by: Joshua at March 30, 2008 06:15 PM (6d/nl)
Condi, dammit... and please tell me one damn thing Lieberman would add to the ticket?
Posted by: sherlock at March 30, 2008 06:41 PM (ojW85)
Posted by: MlR at March 30, 2008 06:54 PM (mX6h5)
Posted by: Ian S. at March 30, 2008 07:12 PM (pg/HS)
Posted by: President J K Polk at March 30, 2008 07:21 PM (V3om2)
Lieberman? Seriously? Liberal as the day is long - his one exception, as has been stated, being defense policy in the Middle East.
And might it be a good idea for McCain to get at least some votes from the base (and I use base very loosely since it seems more and more that McCain's base encompasses the undecided middle that might just play video games on election night)? I don't see how Lieberman entices any conservatives to give money and endorse a McCain ticket. The ME war policy is one of the few issues where McCain is strong. Lieberman is superfluous.
Now, if McCain is looking for the centrist-liberal vote and thinks he can gain more liberals than he will lose conservatives, then maybe that tack is sound... for McCain - not for the GOP.
I'm still holding out for Bugs Bunny. Or Bonzo.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 30, 2008 07:39 PM (Uy68a)
Posted by: nightwitch at March 30, 2008 07:46 PM (dfTf5)
So it's you who's responsible for every shitty sitcom I've ever seen?
Posted by: Ted K. at March 30, 2008 08:53 PM (exWY4)
He's a solid choice, pro-military, etc.... He might even be able to talk some sense into the Mav on the border issue.
Posted by: BakaBaka at March 30, 2008 09:34 PM (zvDRx)
He wouldn't get to be "next" and "heir apparent".
Posted by: someone at March 30, 2008 10:03 PM (2z2WN)
Posted by: someone at March 30, 2008 10:04 PM (2z2WN)
>I'd support a Mary Katherine Ham / Anna Gilligan ticket
who's on top?
Posted by: along came Jones at March 30, 2008 10:38 PM (KOkrW)
He's yet another legislator... but such is life.
Posted by: Gohuckyourself at March 30, 2008 10:39 PM (8jYMc)
Posted by: gebrauchshund at March 30, 2008 10:47 PM (pY77a)
Open Borders Enthusiast - Check
Keep America Dependent on Foreign Oil by Declaring ANWR Sacred - Check
Cripple Economy Through Kyoto Style "Climate Change" Measures - Check
Censor Political Speech to Protect Incumbents - Check
Beloved by MSM - Check
She and McVain would go together like peas and carrots.
Posted by: V the K at March 31, 2008 02:23 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: V the K at March 31, 2008 03:07 AM (PLvLS)
Good to know. At least I've got the important stuff covered.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2008 03:31 AM (Uy68a)
Posted by: polynikes at March 31, 2008 04:41 AM (m2CN7)
There will be a Democrat as McCain's running mate. It won't be Lieberman.
It is going to be Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at March 31, 2008 05:10 AM (s6nMp)
Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at March 31, 2008 05:18 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: ntac at March 31, 2008 06:12 AM (jYyFD)
Posted by: Gohuckyourself at March 31, 2008 06:37 AM (8jYMc)
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 31, 2008 01:18 PM (WirW3)
I've been predicting McCain/Lieberman since Feb 2006.
As a dyed in the wool right wing nutcase..I voted for Jessie Helms...I can actually live with Lieberman. He's a fan of big government...but is fairly pragmatic. I.E. He wouldn't trow out our existing health care system..but would certainly advocate some 'improvements'.
The so called "Reagan Democrats" are probably in reality "Roosevelt Democrats". If one wants to split the Democratic party...one needs to appeal to "Roosevelt Democrats". Joe Lieberman is a Roosevelt Democrat and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that a Roosevelt Democrat can beat a "MoveOn Democrat" hands down in a General Election.
Obama is a "MoveOn" type democrat...if he is the Democratic Nominee than Lieberman would be a good choice for the ticket.
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