August 31, 2015

Jim Geraghty: Time to Go Nuclear on Obama's Nuke Deal?
— Ace

The logic is simple.

Harry Reid did away with filibusters, himself using the "nuclear option" to pass the new rule over the objections of more than a filibuster-level of opponents, for a certain category of vote -- votes with a Constitutional separation-of-powers dimension. Reid claimed the president had the right to get his personnel into the Executive and that the Senate should not stop him via a Senate rule (the filibuster rule); that such votes, affecting, as they do, a coequal branch of government, should be free of the filibuster rule and default to the rule in the constitution -- which is, of course, a simple majority rule.

Okay, makes sense.

But you know what other sorts of votes have a constitutional, separation-of-powers, turf-protecting dimension? Votes on agreements made with foreign regimes-- which the Constitution says are subject, as treaties, to the "advice and consent of the Senate" and a specified two thirds supermajority.

So, the Republicans could follow Reid's lead and pass a resolution declaring that the Iran treaty is in fact a treaty and must be treated as such. When Democrats attempt to filibuster that, they break out the nuclear option Reid did and say that given that this is a matter of separation-of-powers constitutional dimension, they will have the vote on a filibuster-free basis. (The actual process is that the question is submitted to the parliamentarian, who rules the motion to proceed without hte filibuster to be against the rules -- but then you overrule him with a simple majority vote. Which is exactly what Reid did.)

Now you have a majority of senators declaring that this is a treaty and must be treated like a treaty.

Now, Geraghty proposed this last Friday, but then backed off the idea when someone said that a resolution would also be subject to Obama's veto.

For reasons I don't understand -- and I sure wish he'd elaborate -- AllahPundit doesn't seem to think that that is much of an obstacle.

The question is, what do you do once the filibuster’s been nuked? If the GOP decides to pass a resolution declaring the Iran deal a treaty that requires two-thirds of the Senate to approve it, Obama will veto that resolution. That shouldn’t matter-- since when is Article II contingent upon the president’s assent? -- but you're looking at a court battle at least, and the public will be bewildered after weeks of "does Obama have the Senate votes to protect his Iran deal?" headlines suddenly switch to "GOP changes rules on voting to block Iran deal."

Obviously this is all hypothetical, because the Donor Class has forbidden McConnell to spend any political capital on this; the Donor Class demands that all political capital will be spent on things that really matter, like the Export-Import Bank.

Still, in order to have fruitful political discussions, it is necessary that we pretend to be members of a functioning democracy in which voters have some sort of influence on government and popular will is somehow of concern to politicians.

So we'll pretend along, because otherwise, every blog post will be very short: "The Donor Class wins."

Posted by: Ace at 09:57 AM | Comments (376)
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1 My worry is that there isn't a majority of Republicans who don't want this Iran Deal.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:00 AM (evdj2)

2 Hey, I'm all for it. Maybe, just maybe, a testicle is peeking out somewhere.

Posted by: Mike K at August 31, 2015 10:00 AM (5namt)

3 They will be too busy fighting Obama's executive overreach... of Mount McKinley. That will be Boehner's hill to die on.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 31, 2015 10:01 AM (n/ogz)

4 Any action that requires some degree of testicular fortitude on the part of the GOP is a non-starter.

Posted by: Idiocracy was a documentary at August 31, 2015 10:01 AM (FdTDf)

5 The same group that Corkered us 98-1 isn't likely to save us now.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:01 AM (evdj2)

6 Pull every dirty trick ( better known as "Pulling a Democrat") to defeat this POS. Get down in the gutter like the other side. At least that's what I think

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:01 AM (gf8BH)

7 I have no idea why a threat of veto by Obama scares them. Make him veto ALL THE THINGS if you must - just pass stuff like this!!!

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:01 AM (NOIQH)

8 ace thinks the Republicans have balls.


That's cute. How many of us always go through these delusions?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:02 AM (AC0lD)

9 ace, we all know there are/were any number of things the R's in the Senate could have done to stop this deal. Instead they pre-approved it 98-1 with the Corker bill. So, uh... why are we pretending they have any interest in torpedoing this?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (AkOaV)

10 >>>My worry is that there isn't a majority of Republicans who don't want this Iran Deal. that's what Failure Theater is all about you get to cast votes that are recorded as Opposed, but you really already voted to pass the bill you claim to oppose, in a vote that won't be scored by the various folks who keep tabs on these things.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (dciA+)

11 This is good in theory, but how can Republicans pretend to be in favor of the Constitution while failing to defend it. It is like pretending to be against nuclear weapons proliferation before giving billions of dollars in trade to Iran. The Republicans have to be the right hand that the left hand uses.

Posted by: But so what? at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (7wyDO)

12 Our research indicates that voters want two things above all else: Amnesty and tax cuts for the rich.

Posted by: GOP sources say... at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (Ui7Rt)

13 The Republican Leadership is IN ON IT. It's all theater for conservative LIVs.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (evdj2)

14 This falls under bull shit that should have been done from the getgo rather than the failure theater garbage doesn't it?

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2015 10:03 AM (z/Ubi)

15 My reaction to this piece is the same as my reaction to this form the sidebar:
>>>Right Wing judges may wipe out the New Deal.

Stop teasing me!
The GOP will continue to present their well lubricated anuses to the left upon demand.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 31, 2015 10:04 AM (IN7k+)

16 Sorry, I correct that....Jim thinks the Republicans have balls.


I gave up after too many debt ceiling deals.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:04 AM (AC0lD)

17 >>>ace thinks the Republicans have balls. oh really I did? Hey little favor? If you're going to dispute something I said, how about making sure I actually said it? If you're going to take issue with a post, then READ the fucking post. Here's the end of the post, Big Guy: Obviously this is all hypothetical, because the Donor Class has forbidden McConnell to spend any political capital on this; the Donor Class demands that all political capital will be spent on things that really matter, like the Export-Import Bank. Still, in order to have fruitful political discussions, it is necessary that we pretend to be members of a functioning democracy in which voters have some sort of influence on government and popular will is somehow of concern to politicians. ... stop. making claims. based on reading. Just the fucking headline. Thank you.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:04 AM (dciA+)

18 "That shouldn't matter -- since when is Article II contingent upon the president's assent? -- but you're looking at a court battle at least"

It's a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at August 31, 2015 10:05 AM (noWW6)

19 8 ace thinks the Republicans have balls. That's cute. How many of us always go through these delusions? Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 03:02 PM (AC0lD) Well, they have balls when they want to. You know, like when they risk shutting down the government to tweak Dodd/Frank to change the derivatives rule. Or when they twist arms to get TARP passed. I picture GOP and Dem elected officials sitting around gaming out strategies to get what they want done while putting on a big kabuki theater for their stupid rube constituents back home.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:05 AM (AkOaV)

20 stop. making claims. based on reading. Just the fucking headline. I think that's a HQ requirement.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:05 AM (evdj2)

21 Anything to show the electorate that they have a pulse.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 31, 2015 10:05 AM (UhRGU)

22 Stateless, okay, I retract my going nuclear on you.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (dciA+)

23 >>>6 Pull every dirty trick ( better known as "Pulling a Democrat") to defeat this POS. Get down in the gutter like the other side. At least that's what I think If you want to go full Democrat, someone (probably Cruz) needs to denounce Obama and the Democrats as anti-Semites who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. THAT would be going full Democrat ('Put ya'll back in chains!')

Posted by: El Kabong at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (9oC/Q)

24 This isn't the hill to die on or something...

Posted by: donna at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (hUdMz)

25 Because if it was important, IT WOULD BE IN THE HEADLINE!!

Posted by: Grump928(c) can't stop SHOUTING at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (evdj2)

26 Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:04 PM (dciA+) Reading the post, content, links, or headlines is optional. Breitbart would have wanted it that way.

Posted by: AOS Style Guide at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (AkOaV)

27 Unless someone is filling the candy dishes in the Senate with lead paint chips, at a minimum our (republican) and red state democrat Senators must see what is happening in the country (aka Trump). If the Iran nuke deal goes through without blood in the aisles, there will be a flood of incumbents facing a primary with a pissed off electorate.

Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (Zs4uk)

28 Thank you.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:04 PM (dciA+)



Sorry ace...


I apologized and retracted right before your post...which I freaking deserved.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:06 AM (AC0lD)

29 But this require the GOP to show some strength.....

Posted by: Robert at August 31, 2015 10:07 AM (EUJCy)

30 They'll do nothing but give Obama blowjobs and than ask for our votes and money.

Posted by: steevy at August 31, 2015 10:07 AM (sPO3u)

31 22 Stateless,

okay, I retract my going nuclear on you.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:06 PM (dciA+)



Your blog. And I deserved it. But thank you.


You're keeping the house clean.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:07 AM (AC0lD)

32 I am becoming terribly defeatist. The burned hand teaches best, they say, and we have gone too long without the burning.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:08 AM (evdj2)

33 The GOPe hasn't even had one testicle descend yet, do we really think they'll do this?

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:08 AM (vsbNu)

34 just so people know: I don't care if you read my posts or not -- I get that not reading the posts is a thing, and believe me, I don't read a lot of the posts I link -- but if you're going to CRITICIZE the post, yes, in that particular case, you have an obligation to actually read it first. I'm tired of these endless criticisms by people who have plainly only read the headline and made a series of uncharitable assumptions about "What I Would Probably Be Reading Ace Saying, If I Bothered to Read Him." If you want to say "The republicans have no balls," then just say so -- stop with this ugly practice of always needing to insult ME as part of your game of insulting the GOP.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:08 AM (dciA+)

35 >>>>So we'll pretend along, because otherwise, every blog post will be very short: "The Donor Class wins." Admit it. You're tempted to do that for a week straight and call it 'work.'

Posted by: El Kabong at August 31, 2015 10:08 AM (9oC/Q)

36 >>you get to cast votes that are recorded as Opposed, but you really already voted to pass the bill you claim to oppose, in a vote that won't be scored by the various folks who keep tabs on these things They should save the games for less important things, not facilitating a crazy theocracy in their quest to obliterate one of closest allies and end the world to bring back the 12th Imam. That they can do this while grandstanding on better background checks for gun ownership (no guns for crazies, yo!!) is rich.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:08 AM (NOIQH)

37 As a lifelong Republican, I would be disappointed to see my party resort to extremist, partisan tactics. Our national security should not be politicized.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at August 31, 2015 10:09 AM (Ui7Rt)

38 If you want to go full Democrat, someone (probably Cruz) needs to denounce Obama and the Democrats as anti-Semites who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. THAT would be going full Democrat ('Put ya'll back in chains!') Posted by: El Kabong at August 31, 2015 03:06 PM (9oC/Q) I got no problem with that, but you do NOT sacrifice someone like Cruz, with a future, with that task. You pic someone with a very safe seat and not national aspirations

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:09 AM (gf8BH)

39 a coequal branch of government, should be free of the filibuster rule and default to the rule in the constitution which is, of course, a simple majority rule.

Okay, makes sense.




Why doesn't it make sense to the Repukes?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:09 AM (t2KH5)

40 I got no problem with that, but you do NOT sacrifice someone like Cruz, with a future, with that task. You pic someone with a very safe seat and not national aspirations Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 03:09 PM (gf8BH) Why are we pretending that this is not playing out exactly how McConnell and Reid gamed it out when MONTHS ago? This was all written in stone back in April, when they passed the Corker bill 98-1

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:10 AM (AkOaV)

41 I'm tired of these endless criticisms by people who have plainly only read the headline and made a series of uncharitable assumptions about "What I Would Probably Be Reading Ace Saying, If I Bothered to Read Him." That's a bannin'.

Posted by: Jasper at August 31, 2015 10:10 AM (evdj2)

42 Instead they pre-approved it 98-1 with the Corker bill. So, uh... why are we pretending they have any interest in torpedoing this? Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 03:03 PM (AkOaV) BING BING BING WE HAVE A WINNER!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 31, 2015 10:10 AM (JOG+K)

43 Does anyone think Ace tosses in a plot twist in the middle of his articles to catch those who don't read the whole thing?

Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 10:11 AM (Zs4uk)

44 oh, and ace -- I was kidding above. I do read the posts, and usually the links. Most of us do, we're just morons with poor reading comprehension skills who are easily distracted.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:11 AM (AkOaV)

45 That's cute. How many of us always go through these delusions?
Posted by: Stateless Infidel


...says the guy expecting regular BJs after marriage...

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 10:11 AM (/Ho8c)

46 Republicans should not have to pass a resolution that declares a treaty a treaty.  Any deal between two countries is by definition a treaty and should never have been called anything else.  Only in an insane Washington DC would idiots do shit like this.


And it looks like the Democrat Party has soured on this "deal" as well now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:11 AM (t2KH5)

47 43 Does anyone think Ace tosses in a plot twist in the middle of his articles to catch those who don't read the whole thing? Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 03:11 PM (Zs4uk) Sometimes I think his movie reviews are not even about real movies.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:12 AM (AkOaV)

48 When the Dems were in power in Congress, they ALWAYS found a way to engineer some shitty underhanded procedural maneuver to circumvent GOP opposition when an important vote was on the line. Why is it that the GOP can NEVER seem to find the balls or the brain cells to pull similar shit to get the agenda of the conservative base passed? Oh. I think I just answered my own question.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2015 10:12 AM (8ZskC)

49 Well he's done a lot of junkets, trying to make the most he can, You can see him in Beijing, or even maybe in Busan. He got a nose for the business, it won't go wrong. He's very glad to meet you, he can't stay long. OK Mitch, importin' exportin' man.

Posted by: New Rider of the Purple Lavender at August 31, 2015 10:13 AM (2lndx)

50 Here comes the Nuclear Anti-Proliferation and Export-Import Bank Authorization Act of 2015.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 31, 2015 10:13 AM (nFdGS)

51 Congressional approval is polling at 16% Foreign policy has always been one of the powers/duties of the POTUS the Iran Nuclear agreement is most obviously NOT a treaty. It is an EXECUTIVE AGREEMENT Every single other government on the planet (save one) supports this agreement. The same clowns that are against this agreement are the same ones who told us that Saddam had WMD

Posted by: righter at August 31, 2015 10:13 AM (d3oPV)

52 Geraghty's column included more on WHY the GOP should consider this the option.  The process of how to do it was secondary. If one assumes there's a conviction that this is a defense issue (vs. a political one) then they should step forward and do it - no matter the political consequences.


Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 31, 2015 10:13 AM (UhRGU)

53 Obviously this is all hypothetical, because the Donor Class has forbidden McConnell to spend any political capital on this; the Donor Class demands that all political capital will be spent on things that really matter, like the Export-Import Bank.


As long as the Republicans assume the role of corporatists to the donor class they will lose votes from the base.  They will disappear as a Party because a few rich billionaires are not enough to get them elected.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:13 AM (t2KH5)

54 President can't veto a resolution.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (2Ocf1)

55 And it looks like the Democrat Party has soured on this "deal" as well now. Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2015 03:11 PM (t2KH5) It's all for show. They voted 98-1 to approve the deal without knowing what was in it. All they had to say was, "hey, Obama -- if you're going to be going off half-assed making treaties with foreign countries, you need to keep in mind that you'll need 2/3 of us make it, you know, an actual thing." And if Obama ignore that, then they could ignore his treaty. And/or just slow the government down to a crawl by passing the budget line by line or any other legislative trick out there. If McConnell was unsure of which tricks were available to him, he could have just asked his buddy, alleged pederast Harry Reid.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (AkOaV)

56 >>>oh, and ace -- I was kidding above. I do read the posts, and usually the links. Most of us do, we're just morons with poor reading comprehension skills who are easily distracted. ... it doesn't bother me that people don't read the posts, honestly; I get that people wnat to express themselves more than reading someone else's expression. (That's how one is prompted to start blogging, after all.) But I have to draw the line about these people who decide to CLAIM I made some strawman statement I didn't make so they can get in their typical, routine, brain-dead insults. No, if you're going to criticize, in THAT case, yes, you have to read the thing and quote what I'm actually saying. Not some Strawman Made-Up Shit that exists only in your nasty mean-girl brain.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (dciA+)

57 47 43 Does anyone think Ace tosses in a plot twist in the middle of his articles to catch those who don't read the whole thing? Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 03:11 PM (Zs4uk) Sometimes I think his movie reviews are not even about real movies. Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV) Soylent Green is people

Posted by: C. Heston at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (EB5pp)

58 I expect Israel will go nuclear on obama's Iran deal before this congress does.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (ZbV+0)

59 Just want to point out that we wouldn't even be having this discussion if a prfoundly unserious group of people had not acted profoundly unserious a few months ago and allowed this failure theater to proceed.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (659DL)

60 This is totally off topic and has nothing to do with anything or anybody we may or may not know... I got a feeling somebody isn't getting laid regularly.

Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (Zs4uk)

61 Oops, I gotta go. Work.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 10:14 AM (AkOaV)

62 >>>President can't veto a resolution. geraghty said that for it to be *binding*, it had to be submitted to the president and he would get to veto it... I do not know; i'm just telling you what he said on Friday.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:15 AM (dciA+)

63 54 President can't veto a resolution. Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 03:14 PM (2Ocf1) Just watch me

Posted by: Bumbles at August 31, 2015 10:15 AM (EB5pp)

64 Man, you know how much fvcking money we can make in Iran?



Posted by: Jeff Immelt, GE CEO at August 31, 2015 10:15 AM (0FSuD)

65 >>> >>>>So we'll pretend along, because otherwise, every blog post will be very short: "The Donor Class wins." Admit it. You're tempted to do that for a week straight and call it 'work.' Posted by: El Kabong at August 31, 2015 03:08 PM (9oC/Q) If he does that, the donor class wins. Oh wait...

Posted by: LizLem at August 31, 2015 10:16 AM (hvf9s)

66 Posted by: righter Who bitch this is?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:16 AM (evdj2)

67 Prediction: Citing not having the votes lined up to overcome a filibuster, McConnell will give a press conference saying he really, really tried, then won't even bother to have any vote at all on the issue so as not to embarrass any of his democratic "colleagues".

Posted by: Pluskat's Dog at August 31, 2015 10:16 AM (IbP8q)

68 Every single other government on the planet (save one) supports this agreement.

Posted by: righter


First, wrong.

Second, oooh, tell us "Righter" which other country could you possibly mean? Please enlighten we the benighted and unworthy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at August 31, 2015 10:16 AM (Ck8hC)

69 " The burned hand teaches best, they say, and we have gone too long without the burning." Well, when they tuck tail and run, oh, 100 times or so it's starts to wear on ya.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (LA7Cm)

70 If by "donor class" you mean red lectroids from the 25th dimension, then you are correct. Because even human donor class types would realize that glow in the dark manahattan would be bad for business.  Red lectroids, otoh, would find that a stimulating environment.

Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (5vV+V)

71 This is a huge part of the reason why I went all ranty earlier today on twitter about the GOP. There are steps that can be taken to ameliorate Obama's feckless disregard of the Constitution and the rule of law. We (we here being the base) were told nigh ad infinitum that the reason why we had to give control of the Senate back to the GOP was so that there was full control of a co-equal branch of government and then, then you'll see fighting back. *grry hands* That's working out super well, now, isn't it? Blah blah blah Obama can veto. Blah blah blah what has the GOP accomplished on the Federal level since 2010? Blah blah blah do you want the Democrats to win, you child. Blah blah blah tell me exactly and precisely what all the GOP must hold before actual accomplishments can be achieved, you lying twatfaces. It's as predictable as it is boring.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (mf5HN)

72 Who reads the Headlines?

Posted by: Garrett at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (rruf1)

73 People only need to wake up. You don't have to believe everything you read on the MFM. You don't have to patronize megacorporations. You don't have to watch television, or see movies. Get your info from AoS and other similar sites. STARVE THE FUCKING BEAST. STARVE IT AND IT WILL FUCKING DIE.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (E5UB0)

74 I got no problem with that, but you do NOT sacrifice someone like Cruz, with a future, with that task. You pic someone with a very safe seat and not national aspirations Joe Wilson. "Y'all bitchez lie!"

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (E9ede)

75 Every single other government on the planet (save one) supports this agreement. I guess the Saudis and Egyptians are not governments. It is a bad deal. Root and branch. Argue details, not polemics, genius. P.S.: Saddam HAD WMD.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 31, 2015 10:17 AM (659DL)

76 Honestly, I don't know if Mitch has junketed to Beijing. It seems the House recently--under Republican leadership, of course--removed the requirement that Reps disclose the free trips. The South Korea trip might not have been Busan, for the same reason.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (2lndx)

77 This is silly. The Republicans were the ones who affirmatively inverted the treaty clause because their big donors favor lifted sanctions. If you think McConnel is going to alter the filibuster to prevent a deal his big money donors want your smoking some serious gange! They cold have a should have called it a treaty because that's what it was now if they did it after what they've done it just looks political. Stupid party is.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (eDW1j)

78 Why are we pretending that this is not playing out exactly how McConnell and Reid gamed it out when MONTHS ago? This was all written in stone back in April, when they passed the Corker bill 98-1 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 03:10 PM (AkOaV) Nobody is pretending anything else but that. We are only spitballing what WE would do in a more perfect world and if the RINO leadership had balls and were not RINOs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (gf8BH)

79 "The same clowns that are against this agreement are the same ones who told us that Saddam had WMD"

Gee whiz, Wally. Last I looked, Colin Powell was backing Obama's Iran deal to the hilt.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (noWW6)

80 Because if it was important, IT WOULD BE IN THE HEADLINE!!

Yes.

Important things can be in the headlines, or in the wall of text.

But mostly in the headlines.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (ZbV+0)

81 Just as that wonderful patriot, John Kerry, flung away his medals, I will cut off my junk and fling it at sexist men.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (E5UB0)

82 "For reasons I don't understand -- and I sure wish he'd elaborate -- AllahPundit doesn't seem to think that that is much of an obstacle." Because the Senate sets its own rules and this is a rule, not a law that needs to be passed by both chambers and signed by the Pres?

Posted by: Duke at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (mDxGf)

83 You want General Washington You will settle for General Pinochet You will get Corporal Punishment

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:18 AM (evdj2)

84 >>And it looks like the Democrat Party has soured on this "deal" as well now. I wish I could believe that, but it's best not to take anything they do or say at face value. Chuckie Schumer's brave. moral stand against the deal was all for show - he was calling his fellow Dem. Senators behind the scenes and telling them to not let what he has said about the deal dissuade them from voting *for* it.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:19 AM (NOIQH)

85 Shall we then push to pass legislation so that the value of a vote is directly proportional to the amount of money a person has given to whichever party? Oh right, no need, that has already been achieved without a real vote, much like most of the laws that effect most of the ordinary citizens. So glad they let us vote on some of the trivial periphery items. Theater.

Posted by: GBruno at August 31, 2015 10:19 AM (u49WF)

86 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 31, 2015 10:19 AM (q+zA9)

87 If McConnell really wanted to nuke this deal, he could, but to him this is sort of a win/win where they will get to run on the issue AND he gets to stick his snout in some donor money as billions are getting sloshed around.

Posted by: Coolio at August 31, 2015 10:19 AM (h8H+Q)

88 If not this agreement what? Russia China even the Euros will NOT keep the sanctions in place

Posted by: righter at August 31, 2015 10:19 AM (d3oPV)

89 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (kff5f)

90 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (kff5f)

91 62 >>>President can't veto a resolution.

geraghty said that for it to be *binding*, it had to be submitted to the president and he would get to veto it...



I think we have been though this before.  The SCOTUS has ruled that each House makes it own rules and the POTUS has no say in their rules.



I don't see how he vetoes a Senate rule change?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (0FSuD)

92 Yes but that genius bob corker through his amendment has effectively stated the treaty isn't such and when disapproved will be vetoed into life (the exact inverse of the constitutional order but hey, stupid party and all that). Or something.

Posted by: Erasmus B Dragging at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (0nMX2)

93 The same clowns that are against this agreement are the same ones who told us that Saddam had WMD Posted by: righter So France, England and Germany et.al. are against it also?

Posted by: wrg500 at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (C278+)

94

51 Well there is the thing that every other nation on earth knows that if things go south on the Iran deal it will be almost all Americans fed into the meatgrinder to set it right again

See Iraq etc...

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (LAliD)

95 Nice, they use my ideas without even a reach around .., a simple anonymous bloggers are saying ... And the veto threat of a resolution declaring it a treaty is bunk. Just do it, and schedule a treaty vote. If O'barky whines, tell him FYNQ, go play golf.

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (ztOda)

96 Jeebus - who the fuck cares anymore? Cuckservatives okayed this deal when they knew it would be a disaster. Now we want to have Drama! Screw it to hell. Move on.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (oDCMR)

97 @62 when political people don't get politics. Resolutions are resolutions because they don't get signed or vetoed. So they aren't binding because they aren't law. But they can affect behaviors. The War Powers Resolution? Yeah, like that.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 10:20 AM (2Ocf1)

98 The Republicans are not going to stop this deal. They don't *want* to stop this deal. If they had wanted to stop it, they would not have agreed to the Corker bill.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)

99 Also, let's not forget the UN has already lifted most of the sanctions for the rest of the world.  The horses are out of the barn

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (0FSuD)

100 Oh, good.  The Dark Conspiracy of the Donor Class. 


Posted by: Adjoran at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (QIQ6j)

101 Kreplach, You are officially WARNED for a comment last week in which you decided to insult me by ascribing a series of postulated motives for my statement (instead of challenging the statement itself). I've waited until you showed up to warn you. Specifically, it was this comment: 176 Hey listen we all know what's going on here, AOS is morphing into AOSe as the head Ewok and various and sundry COBs are becoming part of the establishment chattering classes so they have to walk a fine line between being exterieure et interieure so to speak. You can't very well allow someone in your circle of acquaintances and fellow travelers to be bashed like or in some cases mildly fisked. Fisking is a hell of a thing. Anyway, Pretty sure Rick Wilson pm'd Ewok or one of the COBS and was like, WTF! No mystery really. I've been lurking and posting under various names since 2004 so I've seen the changes. The Trump candidacy is laying bear the schism, it's is only going to get worse if Trump doesn't implode or falter. The next debate is key, if he can survive as the front runner after the next debate he more than likely will have all of the momentum. The two debates following are ostensibly on the economy so those should be in Trumps wheel house, if Carly is still around I believe Trump will devastate her in these debates. I truly think it's going to come down to Trump and Cruz. As a side note, if Trump has staying power the NBC/Telemundo debate is going to be must watch television. Posted by: Kreplach at August 28, 2015 09:51 AM (eDW1j) ... the next unprovoked insult will result in a banning. It's fairly clear to me -- like I've said before -- that some of you seem to think a personal insult IS a political argument, and you're incapable of more. This is not my problem. Change your ways or change your bookmarks.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (dciA+)

102 The same clowns that are against this agreement are the same ones who told us that Saddam had WMD

You mean those WMD ISIS has been using and Saddam had used previously?

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (ZbV+0)

103 88 So cut off Banking to Iran. We control something like 80% of it.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 31, 2015 10:21 AM (C278+)

104 97 @62 when political people don't get politics. Resolutions are resolutions because they don't get signed or vetoed. So they aren't binding because they aren't law. But they can affect behaviors. The War Powers Resolution? Yeah, like that. Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 03:20 PM (2Ocf1) When I get bound, Michelle *never* can remember the "safe" word

Posted by: Bumbles at August 31, 2015 10:22 AM (EB5pp)

105 >>It's as predictable as it is boring. This is why you need the Paolo.

Posted by: Paolo at August 31, 2015 10:22 AM (rruf1)

106 Ace liked that Citizen United decision when it first came out that gave the donor class the power.

Posted by: righter at August 31, 2015 10:22 AM (d3oPV)

107 Now that we're past 100 . . . College football returns in 3 days!! Woo hoo! Bring on the elbows. . . .

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:22 AM (vsbNu)

108 They won't do it. The chamber of commerce whores want another "market" to open. I heard some idiot say we could never get into war with china because we are so economically intertwined with them. I wanted to scream. This is literally THE EXACT SAME THING they said about GERMANY and europe in the 1930s.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 31, 2015 10:23 AM (VMZsK)

109 the next unprovoked insult will result in a banning. It's fairly clear to me -- like I've said before -- that some of you seem to think a personal insult IS a political argument, and you're incapable of more. This is not my problem. Change your ways or change your bookmarks. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:21 PM (dciA+) I was going to say something unkind about RG3 and Dan Snyder, but "Hey how about them Knicks"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:23 AM (gf8BH)

110 You mean those WMD ISIS has been using and Saddam had used previously? Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2015 03:21 PM (ZbV+0) No, no. Totally not those WMD. Instead, he (she? didn't see the original comment) means the WMD and mobile bio-weapons labs that we found all over the place in Iraq. Or maybe s/he means "nukes" instead of WMD - in which case... duh. We knew Saddam didn't have nukes yet. Operative word being "yet."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:24 AM (kff5f)

111

88 That's a different argument and intimately tied to my #94 above.

The rest of the countries in the world cause all kinds of mayhem 'cuz they know whatever mess they make America will be the one cleaning it up.

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:24 AM (LAliD)

112 This was all written in stone back in April, when they passed the Corker bill 98-1

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 03:10 PM (AkOaV)

 

 

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Agree.  All the proceedings  from that vote are nothing but theater and bullshit.

 

And, also, to make it clear.  The filibuster is a senate "rule".  The senate can vote up or down on the filibuster  any  time it pleases with absolutely no interference from the prez.  The resolution is a non-starter and shouldn't even be considered.   The Iran deal has been a treaty by every definition from the beginning.  There should be no debate about that.  If nothing else, the repubs could just "deem" it as a treaty.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 10:24 AM (P25Hh)

113 This is literally THE EXACT SAME THING they said about GERMANY and europe in the 1930s. Posted by: prescient11 at August 31, 2015 03:23 PM (VMZsK) People of this generation forget the the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor

Posted by: Bumbles at August 31, 2015 10:25 AM (EB5pp)

114 84  Chuckie Schumer's brave. moral stand against the deal was all for show - he was calling his fellow Dem. Senators behind the scenes and telling them to not let what he has said about the deal dissuade them from voting *for* it.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 31, 2015 03:19 PM (NOIQH)



I linked an article this morning where the Democrat National Committee failed to pass a resolution approving it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at August 31, 2015 10:25 AM (t2KH5)

115 I think that if anyone is going to invoke a nuclear option to negate this Iran deal...it's going to be Israel. And word "nuclear" in this case won't be a euphemism. I'm not at all sure what Obama will do in response. The mind reels at the possibilities. And I'm not sure what our reaction should be, should he launch some sort of retaliatory strike against Israel. These are interesting times in which we live.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 31, 2015 10:25 AM (LqrRo)

116 It's actually easy enough for a (hypothetical) conservative Republican successor to Obama to simply say that their administration will have no intention of complying with any "international agreements" that haven't gone through the full Constitutionally stipulated Senatorial treaty approval process. Noting that Corker's subterfuge deal doesn't qualify as such.

However, Obama and Corker will still have caused grave damage.

The Russians say they're gearing up right now to ship the S-300 antiaircraft missile defense system to Iran. That thing is a nasty piece of business. It's orders of magnitude worse than the typical clumsy old ex-Soviet Cold War-era SAM systems, which are relatively easy for modern Western air forces to defeat.

If the next President realizes that it's necessary to either (a) let the Israelis take out the Iranian nuke facilities, or (b) actually assist the Israelis in that effort, then in either case, aircrew are going to be in considerably more danger thanks to those S-300s.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 10:26 AM (noWW6)

117

the next unprovoked insult will result in a banning.


Good. GOOD. Let the LGF flow through you.

Posted by: Darth Chuckles at August 31, 2015 10:26 AM (I7cUu)

118 If not this agreement what? I started to respond to this with a long and detailed explanation of great power politics, and then it struck me that the correct response is simply STFU Dunce.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:26 AM (evdj2)

119 Somehow related The Bangkok bomber was a "moderate" Muslim man No motive given. Sure

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

120 We knew Saddam didn't have nukes yet. Operative word being "yet." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 03:24 PM (kff5f) You can thank Menachem Begin for that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:26 AM (gf8BH)

121 @101 Not sure why you took that as an insult it seems a fairly tame critique of things that are empiracally true but whatever it's your blog, your rules.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 31, 2015 10:27 AM (eDW1j)

122 Come on, I want to see a banning! (Well, as long as it's not me . . .)

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:27 AM (vsbNu)

123 106 Ace liked that Citizen United decision when it first came out that gave the donor class the power.

Posted by: righter at August 31, 2015 03:22 PM (d3oPV)


You also should.  It's call freedom.  It's not just the "donor class" that wins with Citizen's United, it pro life PACs, etc.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:27 AM (0FSuD)

124
ot:  State Dept. finds 150 more classified hillary emails.

drip, drip, drip

file the charges already.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 31, 2015 10:27 AM (ODxAs)

125 >>Hey, I'm all for it. Maybe, just maybe, a testicle is peeking out somewhere. Posted by: Mike K Oh, sorry. I need to remember not sit around with my mouth open.

Posted by: John Boehner at August 31, 2015 10:28 AM (c7vUv)

126 ROTFLMAO!!! Like that's going to happen!

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 31, 2015 10:28 AM (zpZLP)

127
The Bangkok bomber was a "moderate" Muslim man


No motive given. Sure Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN


Was a "good boy" that got mixed up with the "wrong crowd"?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:28 AM (0FSuD)

128 Come on, I want to see a banning! (Well, as long as it's not me . . .) Posted by: logprof You never really see it. It's like there is a disturbance in the force and a whiff of ozone.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:29 AM (E9ede)

129 I'm not at all sure what Obama will do in response. The mind reels at the possibilities. And I'm not sure what our reaction should be, should he launch some sort of retaliatory strike against Israel. These are interesting times in which we live. Posted by: Pastafarian at August 31, 2015 03:25 PM (LqrRo) Stupid Israelis lost the Ark of the Covenant, that would have been a nice surprise if anyone attacked Israel

Posted by: Moses at August 31, 2015 10:29 AM (EB5pp)

130 Leftists aren't the only ones who, given enough power, will get around to eating each other ... sooner rather than later I see.

Posted by: Irony at August 31, 2015 10:29 AM (3FBAK)

131 You never really see it. It's like there is a disturbance in the force and a whiff of ozone. You turn to speak to your neighbor, and they're gone.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (evdj2)

132 that such votes, affecting, as they do, a coequal branch of government Stop. (Hammer Time.) Who the hell had this idea that the branches were "coequal"? The branches are most certainly NOT coequal. The legislature is first. It is article freakin' one and all other branches are defined relative to the legislature. But because the legislature cannot manage the minutia of execution, we have an executive. And because the legislature cannot adjudicate every case, we have a judiciary. These are inferior branches of government. The existence of a check does not imply coequality. Who was the first to come up with this formulation? I have a guess. It was probably a judge. Which is why we are in the problem we are in.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (Xd2w5)

133 Sometimes I think his movie reviews are not even about real movies. Posted by: mynewhandle at August 31, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV) Soylent Green is people" Is that before or after the volcano scene? Oh, and that other 'mouse - go blow, 'k?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (C9pBZ)

134 >>>Not sure why you took that as an insult it seems a fairly tame critique of things that are empiracally true but whatever it's your blog, your rules. I took it as an insult because it was an insult. It's also fucking stupid, as I've been trashing the establishment longer, and more effectively, than you. I took it as an insult because to claim that someone has Forbidden Motives -- "Cocktail Party Circuit," establishment suck-up -- is in fact an insult. I could speculate about your motives. I could speculate a lot of things that inform your thinking. I didn't do so, did I? No, it was you who decided to do that, calling it "Fisking." Well I could "fisk" you too if you like, buddy. But I'm trying to keep things friendly. There is a place for angry, mean-tempered people to speculate about people's motives and hurl insults at complete strangers. That place is Twitter. So take it there.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (dciA+)

135 117 Yeah ace Hitler banned things too don't be like Hitler

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (LAliD)

136 Why are people poking the Ewok? Really? The new policy is not some horrible affront to your free speech. It's asking you to, among other things, remember that we're all more-or-less on the same side, and that name-calling is almost always counter productive. Now, I've been here long enough (2004? pshaw, whippersnappers) to see ace go through phases (remember when we couldn't say "fuck" in the comments for a while?) where he tries to clean up the blog. Maybe this is one of those. Maybe this is a permanent thing. If it's a phase, it'll blow over in a few weeks, and you can go back to your name-calling and ad hominem. If it's *not* then (assuming that's your go-to argument), maybe this is not the place for you. In neither case is arguing with ace, calling him names, or attempting to shame him by likening him to Chuckles Johnson a good plan.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (kff5f)

137 Also Geraghty is positing that Republicans want to stop the Iran deal. This is funny. He's not writing commentary he's writing fantasy

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ocf1)

138 And I'm not sure what our reaction should be, should he launch some sort of retaliatory strike against Israel. These are interesting times in which we live.

I would pray for the destruction of Israel's enemies. There are plenty of good Psalms on that front if you're similarly inclined.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2015 10:30 AM (ZbV+0)

139 You never really see it. It's like there is a disturbance in the force and a whiff of ozone. Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2015 03:29 PM (E9ede) --Usually Ace does a post-mortem explanation of the banning. Those are fun.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (vsbNu)

140 ot: State Dept. finds 150 more classified hillary emails. drip, drip, drip file the charges already. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 31, 2015 03:27 PM (ODxAs) Why let the drip drip continue. Weaken her and dare the Dems to nominate her. THEN indict her

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (gf8BH)

141 Resolutions are resolutions because they don't get signed or vetoed. So they aren't binding because they aren't law. HELLO budget resolution. Our gov't is fkn us over and McConnell has not nut sack. He might as well be a European.

Posted by: Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (PfVjp)

142 Why not start by passing a vote against the the terms purported to be in the undisclosed side deals and stating that any treaty that includes such terms, or terms substantially similar, is rejected? Put Obama in the position of having to defend a "secret treaty."

Posted by: Scare Quotes Sidewinder at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (et+nm)

143
Yep, the damage was done when the WH signaled they were ready to stop the sanctions.  It was over then and there, the conferences and the agreement were just for show.  Once Iran was free, the money and weapons poured in.  Done.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (ODxAs)

144 >>>Ace liked that Citizen United decision when it first came out that gave the donor class the power. true. for once, the Stupid Troll is right. I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:31 AM (dciA+)

145 Hey Harry! I've got an idea! Let's just get "comprehensive immigration reform" (full amnesty for all illegals, voting rights, el pollo in every pot, Obamacare, whatevs) passed BEFORE the 2016 elections. God knows we won't be able to get it done after Trump is elected president. What do you think brosephus? We can call it "Success Theater".

Posted by: Mitch "Turtlehead" McConnell at August 31, 2015 10:32 AM (Dq8Uc)

146 You never really see it. It's like there is a disturbance in the force and a whiff of ozone. That's why we need a Ban Chamber, a dank, musty hall with the head and pelts of the banned mounted on the walls with a list of the accuseds' sins, so that we may be informed and enlightened... and point and laugh.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2015 10:32 AM (JtwS4)

147 Also, randomly, it has been a peeve of mine for freaking ever that Senate rules are treated by the Senators with far more deference and as having more authority than the Constitution itself.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 10:32 AM (mf5HN)

148 You turn to speak to your neighbor, and they're gone.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 03:30 PM (evdj2)


THIS.  I am in a club, you know it's required to be a RINO Country Club Republican, and a lot of members have quit.   The great economy and all.



You never hear a word about who is no longer around, until you fvck up and call them to go to dinner and they say they are no longer members.



Pretty embarrassing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (0FSuD)

149 I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision. Yep. I'm having a lot of trouble summoning any interest in supporting big business.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (evdj2)

150 Usually Ace does a post-mortem explanation of the banning. Those are fun. Posted by: logprof

This is true.  Good for a laugh and also the great relief that it wasn't you who aroused the anger of our benevolent, furry blogfather (phub).

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (/Ho8c)

151
Why (not) let the drip drip continue.

Something about a law should mean something, I know I am naive sometimes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (ODxAs)

152 bangkok bomber isn't talking. And he has a taller Muslim roommate who they cannot find Nothing to see here

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (zOTsN)

153 Attach the Stone of Shame!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 10:33 AM (evdj2)

154 Also, randomly, it has been a peeve of mine for freaking ever that Senate rules are treated by the Senators with far more deference and as having more authority than the Constitution itself. Aren't these the same geniuses who came up with Delegation Doctrine? Are you surprised, or just annoyed?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:34 AM (kff5f)

155 true. for once, the Stupid Troll is right. I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+) I don't. Because it leveled the playing field with the unions. Among other things.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:34 AM (9221z)

156 So Ace is going all Ollie Cromwell or Joe Stalin? I am kind of slow on the reformations and purges. Help a brother out. Who's being exiled?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:34 AM (oDCMR)

157 >>Also Geraghty is positing that Republicans want to stop the Iran deal. >>This is funny. >>He's not writing commentary he's writing fantasy There is no stopping the Iran deal. It's deader than dead. This was not a two country treaty but a multi-state sanctions accord and the only country still considering sanctions is us. The only thing this is about is establishing procedural issues between the President and the Senate.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2015 10:34 AM (OGm46)

158 Was a "good boy" that got mixed up with the "wrong crowd"? Nah. "Fell in" with the "wrong" crowd. Probably turning his life around as well...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (C9pBZ)

159 When he was arrested he had about 40 different Turkish passports with him, in addition to a complete arsenal and all the bomb making stuff you could want. No such thing as radical islam

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (zOTsN)

160 Wrong argument IMO... The supposed difference between an Executive Agreement and a Treaty, is that a Treaty would need some Legislation to back it up... ie it could NOT be done with just Executive powers. This treaty makes US pay for Iranian inspections of their own Nuclear facilities... only a few Million, but this money must be APPROPRIATED, thus, it will take legislative action... Thus, it is, by definition, a Treaty, and THIS should be the argument.... it should need to be ratified by the Senate.... as the Constitution states. That the GOP has already given up this attack, shows they are not serious.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (qh617)

161 " I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision. " Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA What is about money equaling speech are you having trouble with?

Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (Zs4uk)

162 Unless it's a very juicy offer I don't think Snyder will allow RGIII to be traded.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (vsbNu)

163 But let's make a nuke deal with this assholes For peace

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (zOTsN)

164 I think people are forgetting that the deal is not a treaty, it's just a deal, it can be cancelled by the next President.  Not saying that it will be cancelled by Trump, just that it can be cancelled. 

No matter what Congress does, Iran is going to be freed from sanctions by the UN which will happen even if the Senate gets enough votes to overturn the Veto.  I don't understand why everyone is getting  a huge case of the vapors over this.  The vote doesn't mean anything, the deal is already done and over with. 

The deal is setup so that Obama can unfreeze Iran's money before he leaves office and call it a victory and that he single handily prevented Iran from nuking Israel after that he simply doesn't care.  He now has his Foreign Policy display for that wing of his Library. 

Iran is going to get what they want from at least Russia and Europe no matter what happens here in the US.  Heck Iran is already getting around the sanctions with Germany and Russia and no one is saying or doing anything about that. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (iONHu)

165 156 Noone who will be missed

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:35 AM (LAliD)

166 155 true. for once, the Stupid Troll is right. I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision.


Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)


I don't. Because it leveled the playing field with the unions. Among other things.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 03:34 PM (9221z)


THIS!  Not just businesses have PACs.  A lot of special groups, NRA, Right to Life Committee, etc have PACs

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (0FSuD)

167 Now, seriously, given the resentment evolving around the country about everything having to be PC and we have to go along to get along, it should be obvious that this is a step that the GOP should take if they want to pull the rug out from under Trump, Carson, and Fiorina (They are killing the GOP in Iowa). It would be a perfect way to show their being on the same side as the "These-Are-My-Fuck-You-Choices-GOP" constituency. Well, I'm still ROTFLMAO. It's never going to happen.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (zpZLP)

168

The Bangkok bomber was a "moderate" Muslim man





No motive given. Sure

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN

 

 

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Looks like  Thailand's southern muzzie problem is traveling north.  Glad I got to visit a few times before all this started happening.  I've been to the temple that got bombed a couple of times.  Too bad. 

 

The Thai people better grab their Buddhist balls because it's only going to get worse. 

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (P25Hh)

169 (phub) Peace him unto be? Is that you, Yoda?

Posted by: Sy Snootles at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (ZtFr+)

170 Attach the Stone of Shame! Hang the Dead Cat Pelt of Shame around the neck!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (E9ede)

171 Unless it's a very juicy offer I don't think Snyder will allow RGIII to be traded. Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 03:35 PM (vsbNu) Traded? The Rumor out there is he is going to be CUT!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 10:36 AM (gf8BH)

172
Bingo, JackStraw.  The agreement means nothing, just theater, the sanctions were the key and that flew out day one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (ODxAs)

173 It's a nice thought, but... I have no faith in our current bunch of leaders to do anything but look for new ways to fellate Obama, and sell us out. Sad but true. I hate feeling this cynical.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (teYv/)

174 156 So Ace is going all Ollie Cromwell or Joe Stalin? I am kind of slow on the reformations and purges. Help a brother out. Who's being exiled?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:34 PM (oDCMR)


Pick up mirror, look at self. 

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (0FSuD)

175
I have never and will never depend on the donor class for support.  You can take it too the bank.

Posted by: The Jeb at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (OiFtZ)

176 He isn't Thai. He is a foreigner. They think Turkish. Or Syrian.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (zOTsN)

177 149 I am in fact having a lot of second thoughts about this decision. Yep. I'm having a lot of trouble summoning any interest in supporting big business. Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 03:33 PM (evdj2) Why aren't we using Alinsky tactics against these corporate interests that push this crap. Id the CEOs, and board members etc. The left does it all the time. I know, some of us have real jobs. Still we should be able to scratch up a rent-a-mob and some bloggers.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (9221z)

178 There is a place for angry, mean-tempered people to speculate about people's motives and hurl insults at complete strangers. That place is Twitter. So take it there. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:30 PM (dciA+) It's funny because it's true! Also, ace, I ask this most humbly. Since Allen was super duper ultra uber mean to me and said the Killing Words, I'm allowed to proceed, in an organic fashion, naturally, to escalating it to calling him All The Things, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (mf5HN)

179 150 Usually Ace does a post-mortem explanation of the banning. Those are fun. Posted by: logprof This is true. Good for a laugh and also the great relief that it wasn't you who aroused the anger of our benevolent, furry blogfather (phub). Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 03:33 PM (/Ho8c) He must be offered the Valu-rite, shotgun and free-range hobo to placate his furriness, oh, and Christina Hendricks leg to dry-hump for 3 minutes

Posted by: Gonfor Yaz at August 31, 2015 10:37 AM (EB5pp)

180 It would be easier just to nuke Obama. Can't be that hard to find him on the golf course.

Posted by: Caliban at August 31, 2015 10:38 AM (DrC22)

181 I thought it was a bag of shame. Over the head

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:38 AM (zOTsN)

182 Heh, Joe Madden describing the Cubs' no-hitter last night dropped an Office joke.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:39 AM (vsbNu)

183 Because it leveled the playing field with the unions. Among other things. Yes. Banning people getting together to spend money on politicians they like is, on its face, wrong. But these laws never seem to ban the big donors to the left: the media, government unions. Technically, they have banned government programs and officials from spending money to campaign to get more money, but I don't think I've ever seen it enforced.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 10:39 AM (2lndx)

184

164 Time for America to quit its resistance to being seen as acting in its own best interest.

The UN is the worldwide headquarters for the SJW movement.

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:39 AM (LAliD)

185 The logic is simple. DERP!

Posted by: Boner and the Turtle at August 31, 2015 10:39 AM (0TXlm)

186 Since Allen was super duper ultra uber mean to me and said the Killing Words, I'm allowed to proceed, in an organic fashion, naturally, to escalating it to calling him All The Things, right?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:39 AM (kff5f)

187 He isn't Thai. He is a foreigner. They think Turkish. Or Syrian. Knock me over with a feather.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 31, 2015 10:40 AM (659DL)

188 It really makes no sense that someone like trump who people have been watching for years and live good no nonsense, call them on their bullshit ways, is so popular. It's mystifying, really.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 31, 2015 10:40 AM (teYv/)

189 Honestly, AtC saying All The Things to me would be a pleasant diversion compared to this f*cking project.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:40 AM (kff5f)

190 I'm allowed to proceed, in an organic fashion, naturally, to escalating it to calling him All The Things, right? Free range raptors?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:40 AM (E9ede)

191 So this is not the hill to die on too?

Posted by: Yo! at August 31, 2015 10:40 AM (q+zA9)

192 Check out Iowahawk's renaming of National landmarks: https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2015 10:41 AM (OSs/l)

193 Christina Hendricks leg" Ahem. Really? "Leg"? Snort.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:41 AM (C9pBZ)

194 "the hill to die on" Some ... where over the rain bow

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 10:41 AM (Hj3ib)

195 171 Unless it's a very juicy offer I don't think Snyder will allow RGIII to be traded. Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 03:35 PM (vsbNu) Traded? The Rumor out there is he is going to be CUT! Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 03:36 PM (gf8BH) --No way Snyder would allow that; he's too big a fanboi. *Maybe* if RGIII has a season-ender, but I doubt it will happen.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:41 AM (vsbNu)

196 Yes. Banning people getting together to spend money on politicians they like is, on its face, wrong. But these laws never seem to ban the big donors to the left: the media, government unions. Technically, they have banned government programs and officials from spending money to campaign to get more money, but I don't think I've ever seen it enforced. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 03:39 PM (2lndx) Unfortunately we're the only ones who care about the law, because we're the ones who actually want to keep the system the law supports. The left wants to tear it all down anyway.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:42 AM (9221z)

197 150 more classified emails found.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 31, 2015 10:42 AM (fWAjv)

198
Peace him unto be?

Is that you, Yoda? Posted by: Sy Snootles


Meh, dyslexia sux.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 10:43 AM (/Ho8c)

199 "Leg"? Snort. Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 03:41 PM (C9pBZ) Picture a short, furry Ewok

Posted by: Gonfor Yaz at August 31, 2015 10:43 AM (EB5pp)

200 Iran is going to get what they want from at least Russia and Europe no matter what happens here in the US. Heck Iran is already getting around the sanctions with Germany and Russia and no one is saying or doing anything about that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman


The deal guarantees at least one mid-east war. Iran getting a bomb is not something the next pres can undo anymore than Bush could undo Pakistan's bomb.

The time to stop that is now, not in two years. Either we stop this now or Israel, Egypt, and the Sauds will be forced to start war with Iran, one that has no guaranteed outcome.

I'm not a hawk by any stretch. We need to stop engaging in adventures the US public won't support, but allowing Iran to continue unimpeded to the bomb is reckless and will get a lot of people killed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at August 31, 2015 10:43 AM (Ck8hC)

201 alex, sure, you can respond to stuff. I just am tired of the out-of-the-box insult gang. >>>I don't. Because it leveled the playing field with the unions. Among other things. Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 03:34 PM (9221z) THIS! Not just businesses have PACs. A lot of special groups, NRA, Right to Life Committee, etc have PACs Posted by: Nip Sip at Au yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:43 AM (dciA+)

202 "Fell in" with the "wrong" crowd. Probably turning his life around as well... Posted by: anon ----------------- That's bullshit. I mean nothing personal, of course, my good friend and respected colleague, but that asshole was an asshole long before he got here. That sumbitch was emblematic of the "wrong crowd".

Posted by: Moderate Muslim at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (9mTYi)

203 195 171 Unless it's a very juicy offer I don't think Snyder will allow RGIII to be traded. Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 03:35 PM (vsbNu) Traded? The Rumor out there is he is going to be CUT! Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2015 03:36 PM (gf8BH) --No way Snyder would allow that; he's too big a fanboi. *Maybe* if RGIII has a season-ender, but I doubt it will happen. ------------- He will be cut this week. $16M goes a long way in finding LB and TE talent. The Skins need to patch some holes before 17 September.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (oDCMR)

204 and a whiff of ozone Valu-Rite. Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2015 03:29 PM (E9ede) FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (LjsX+)

205 Why aren't we using Alinsky tactics against these corporate interests that push this crap. The problem with Alinsky tactics is that they have very poor optics. The left can only get away with them because the media reporting on it is generally positive. There's a word for when the right tries it: doxxing. Why do you think this tactic, which has been happening pretty much forever, has only recently been given a public name? Because they're trying to publicize the evil right-wing conspiracy doing it (though, in many cases, it seems not to be the case, I'm sure it has happened).

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (2lndx)

206 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. It is, however, yet less fun for the Donor Class to buy their government without us watching.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (kff5f)

207 "Why aren't we using Alinsky tactics against these corporate interests that push this crap. Id the CEOs, and board members etc. The left does it all the time. I know, some of us have real jobs. Still we should be able to scratch up a rent-a-mob and some bloggers. " Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 03:37 PM (9221z) Big business has it's interests and they're well within their rights to promote them. When it all boils down, we need people in elective office with enough character to balance campaign contributions to what is right for the country. The trouble is, sometimes the people with proven character have accents or the tone of their voice is irritating to sensitive elite ears. When that happens, we need to ignore the good in people and destroy them before they embarrass us. It's complicated and a bit hard to explain to lower level thinkers.

Posted by: jwest at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (Zs4uk)

208 Iowahawk's renaming: The Badlands => The MisunderstoodLands

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2015 10:44 AM (OSs/l)

209 They need our banks. Even if the sanctions were lifted they need AMERICAN banks This deal,is for Goldman

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (zOTsN)

210 Picture a short, furry Ewok" Never fear, I've stayed abreast of tales about our genial host...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (C9pBZ)

211 Damn the rat bastard that used "hillary" and "drip, drip, drip" in the same comment.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (TuXs5)

212 >>> the Donor Class demands that all political capital will be spent on things that really matter, like the Export-Import Bank I always picture the Donor class talking to the GOPe like how the bigwig Lebowski talked down to The Dude.

Posted by: Bigby's Clenched Fist at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (3ZtZW)

213 Im glad that you re not only calling out the GOP, but also its enabling partybots in the commentariat, ace. People like Guy Benson, Noah Rothman and Neal Dewing would try to justify the nationalization of the means of production if the GOP decided one day to go down that road. Its probably even more important to hit the stagehands of the Republican Failure Theater, since they are not elected.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (fiLZf)

214 Yeah, yeah. There were no big donors in politics before Citizens United! Please. Honestly, I don't know what can be done about the moneyed-influence problem. Every solution that is offered, outside of greatly favoring incumbents and the MSM/Left, tramples on the 1st Amendment. It takes sooooo much money to run campaigns now. Horrible situation.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 31, 2015 10:45 AM (cN9Sk)

215 He isn't Thai. He is a foreigner. They think Turkish. Or Syrian.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:37 PM (zOTsN)

 

 

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Who probably initially immigrated to southern Thailand.  I've never understood why Thailand never went into that region and cleaned it out.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (P25Hh)

216 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+) It's the Eymorgs and Morgs! This is how it started.

Posted by: Gonfor Yaz at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (EB5pp)

217 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+) Agreed. The left thinks and acts as if all things are political. We by inclination don't. That's why they'll go to a CEO's house, go after his kids at school, etc. to harangue them into changing policy, and making a media shaming spectacle while they're at it. Our side doesn't do that, and it needs to start.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (9221z)

218 He will be cut this week. $16M goes a long way in finding LB and TE talent. The Skins need to patch some holes before 17 September. Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:44 PM (oDCMR) --Really? I thought they were on the hook for that money. That changes things, but Snyder will not give him up without a fight.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (vsbNu)

219 OT Inquiry: Any frequent car buyers around? What's a decent and reasonable amount to expect/ask for/demand off of sticker price when buying a used car (for the wife's daily driver)? Specifically, a $14,995 Nissan from a Nissan dealership. Can I get them down a thousand bucks? Maybe 500 at least? I haven't bought a car in almost 15 years.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (2cS/G)

220 Don't the Corporate Interests want Illegal Immigration? So how has all their big money prevented a popular uprising of citizens? I think I've missed something here.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (oDCMR)

221 The Islamic State (aka ISIS/ISIL) has released a new execution video on social media. The horrific video shows four men being suspended from a metal structure and then being slowly burned to death by small fires placed below them. Need more Angel of Death A captured ISIS terrorist was suspended over a fire, burned to death and then sliced up like a KEBAB by a rebel fighter nicknamed the 'Angel of Death'. Footage released online shows fearsome Abu Azrael, one of ISIS' most feared enemies and a poster boy for Shi'a militias, committed the sickening act as a warning to his enemies. The hulking fighter laughs as he cuts the dead ISIS terrorists leg with a curved sword, then turns to the camera and says: 'ISIS this will be your fate, we will cut you like shawarma (a method of grilling meat on a spit and then shaving it off)'. Can we just nuke it from orbit now?!?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 31, 2015 10:46 AM (fWAjv)

222 still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. It is kind of a hoot to watch the Donor Class try to buy the GOP primary. *offers kibbles and fresh water*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2015 10:47 AM (JtwS4)

223 Please ban wiser and wiserbud. He insulted you in a thread a few years ago.

Posted by: MJ at August 31, 2015 10:47 AM (2gYQK)

224 The wikipedia entry for AoShq is amazingly balanced

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:47 AM (LAliD)

225 If RGIII does move, I think the Cards would be a good fit, although he could lose the lottery and end up with the Jest.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:47 AM (vsbNu)

226 Honestly, I don't know what can be done about the moneyed-influence problem. Every solution that is offered, outside of greatly favoring incumbents and the MSM/Left, tramples on the 1st Amendment. Enter the Dragon Federalist! No, not the web-zine, an actual Federalist. The President is greatly reduced in power (heck- the whole Federal Government is) if the States are re-elevated to their station of co-equal sovereign powers joined by a duly constituted Federal government. This whole "National Government quasi-democracy" crap doesn't work.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:48 AM (kff5f)

227 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. in the open

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+)



FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:48 AM (0FSuD)

228 209 They need our banks. Even if the sanctions were lifted they need AMERICAN banks This deal,is for Goldman Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:45 PM (zOTsN) And they have already been tied back into the International banking system... It happened right after the agreement was signed.... so done deal...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 31, 2015 10:48 AM (qh617)

229 So we'll pretend along, because otherwise, every blog post will be very short: "The Donor Class wins."-ace But then we can talk about NFL & boobehs and not so much on politics and the fecklessness of the GOPe

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 31, 2015 10:48 AM (9mTYi)

230 218 He will be cut this week. $16M goes a long way in finding LB and TE talent. The Skins need to patch some holes before 17 September. Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:44 PM (oDCMR) --Really? I thought they were on the hook for that money. That changes things, but Snyder will not give him up without a fight. -------------------- My understanding he gets the money if he starts the season. If he's cut, then no money. Who wants to pay $16M for a third string clipboard holder?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:48 AM (oDCMR)

231 alex, sure, you can respond to stuff. I just am tired of the out-of-the-box insult gang.

Ace of Spades?
More like Drama Queen of Hearts.

No one has insulted you except in your head.

Posted by: get over it , dude at August 31, 2015 10:49 AM (HJqXj)

232 Honestly, I don't know what can be done about the moneyed-influence problem." It's simple, really (in concept, not implementation) - reduce the scope of government. Doing so removes the temptation to influence the power of said government.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:49 AM (C9pBZ)

233 >>>The deal guarantees at least one mid-east war. Iran getting a bomb is not something the next pres can undo anymore than Bush could undo Pakistan's bomb.

The time to stop that is now, not in two years. Either we stop this now or Israel, Egypt, and the Sauds will be forced to start war with Iran, one that has no guaranteed outcome.

I'm not a hawk by any stretch. We need to stop engaging in adventures the US public won't support, but allowing Iran to continue unimpeded to the bomb is reckless and will get a lot of people killed.
.
.
.Maybe I was not clear in my post but I don't disagree with you, it is going to end very badly and probably fairly soon. 

All I am saying is that the genie is out of the bottle as far as isolating Iran with Sanctions goes, that part is over no matter what happens here in the US, the UN has already voted and approved Sanction relief for Iran.  Sanctions are going to go away and frozen assets are going to start flowing into Iran no matter what the US does. 

It is pretty much up to Israel now.  The US isn't going to do anything to stop Iran from getting a Nuke.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (iONHu)

234 "it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government" once upon a time, people decided to form their own government...

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (Hj3ib)

235 >> Iran is going to get what they want from at least Russia and Europe no matter what happens here in the US. Heck Iran is already getting around the sanctions with Germany and Russia and no one is saying or doing anything about that. Been saying this for months. Just today, China and announced that they will be working with Iran to develop a heavy water reactor.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (OGm46)

236 219 kbb.com

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (LAliD)

237 My understanding he gets the money if he starts the season. If he's cut, then no money. Who wants to pay $16M for a third string clipboard holder? Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:48 PM (oDCMR Da Bears

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (9mTYi)

238 No one has insulted you except in your head. Posted by: get over it , dude at August 31, 2015 03:49 PM (HJqXj) Every insult is in your head. Reality is a holographic projection on a 2-D brane

Posted by: Gonfor Yaz at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (EB5pp)

239 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+) I think they've been doing just that long before Citizens United, just in different ways.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (2Ojst)

240 225 If RGIII does move, I think the Cards would be a good fit, although he could lose the lottery and end up with the Jest. ---------------------- RG is an inaccurate passer. Why would the Cards want him?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (oDCMR)

241 " I haven't bought a car in almost 15 years." Go to AutoTrader and look around; and go to edmonds.com and do a rough estimate. Also, and this is very important, decide what you are willing to spend and if they don't meet it, walk away. There will be other cars. It will be very helpful if the wife can also say, just before you walk away, "I'm just not willing to spend that much."

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 10:50 AM (2lndx)

242 Get over it why don't you go somewhere else We all already have an asshole

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:51 AM (zOTsN)

243 My understanding he gets the money if he starts the season. If he's cut, then no money. Who wants to pay $16M for a third string clipboard holder? Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:48 PM (oDCMR) --I'm still scratching my head that Cousins is the starter. McCoy has played better. At least I feel good about the Chefs' depth at QB.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:51 AM (vsbNu)

244 236 219 kbb.com Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 03:50 PM (LAliD) Does that stand for Kelli's Big Boobies, by any chance?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)

245 Specifically, a $14,995 Nissan from a Nissan dealership. Ah, gee, I dunno, I've got to clean it up and frame it, then there's the overhead costs ... I'll give you $6,500 for it.

Posted by: Rick Harrison at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (ZtFr+)

246 Goddammit based on this thread alone it must be very tiring to be ace

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (LAliD)

247 instapundit either made up, or coined, this line: To get money out of politics, get politics out of money.

Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (dciA+)

248 We all already have an asshole Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:51 PM (zOTsN) If he's a Thrint, he shits out his mouth.

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (9221z)

249 Come on, folks. John Kerry says we have "absolute knowledge" of what the Iranians have done for now. So quit going all Chicken Little about this deal. Forget that we were caught by surprise by the extent of the Iraqi nuclear program in 1991, and by the lack of an Iraqi nuclear program in 2003; by the Pakistani and Indian nuclear tests in 1998; by the North Korean nuclear test in 2007 (hey, the Agreed Framework lasted 13 years - longer than this deal is supposed to!). Forget that we didn't know about the Libyan nuclear program until the wrong ship (from the late Qaddafy's point of view) got intercepted; that he wouldn't have come clean if it hadn't been for the Iraq war, which we all now know was a mistake. And we didn't know about that Syrian nuclear reactor until Israel gave us a courtesy heads-up that they were about to bomb it. This deal offers excellent oversight of all the sites and activities we know about. And that, my friends, ought to be as reassuring to you as it is to me.

Posted by: JPS at August 31, 2015 10:52 AM (3y0yx)

250 OT Inquiry: Any frequent car buyers around? What's a decent and reasonable amount to expect/ask for/demand off of sticker price when buying a used car (for the wife's daily driver)? Specifically, a $14,995 Nissan from a Nissan dealership. Can I get them down a thousand bucks? Maybe 500 at least? I haven't bought a car in almost 15 years. Posted by: Lincolntf ------------------------------- Make them a fair offer for the car. YOU will have to determine what that is. When you do that, tell them that the amount agreed upon is the check you are going to write. Period, period. No additional tax, tag, blah, blah. Listen... it is a little tough to do, but there will *always* be other cars cropping up. Just be patient.

Posted by: Moderate Muslim at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (9mTYi)

251 "It is kind of a hoot to watch the Donor Class try to buy the GOP primary." Yeah, but when we have to appeal to the donor class to cause trouble for the donor class, we are in for a world of hurt down the road.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (2lndx)

252 Get over it why don't you go somewhere else We all already have an asshole some random meathead can figure out whose sock that is.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (JtwS4)

253 "This treaty makes US pay for Iranian inspections of their own Nuclear facilities... only a few Million, but this money must be APPROPRIATED, thus, it will take legislative action..."

And appropriations bills aren't supposed to originate in the Senate.

Not that this will bother the current Beltway crowd, who tossed out black-letter constitutional law quite a while ago.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (noWW6)

254 There are certain corruption indices on the internet which show you how corrupt individual countries are supposed to be.



I've come to the conclusion that if you want to calculate the amount of corruption in a government, you could calculate how much money over 10% is taken in by the government and redistributed.


10% is a 'fair' amount of taxation to defend a country and have a government that can enact and enforce laws and rules for trade.



Anything beyond that 10%, or whatever number you want, is simply recycled to the donor class, the unions and all of the special interests by politicians who want to get re-elected and play Santa Clause.



How is taking 40% of people's hard earned income and spreading that around for 're-election promises' not as corrupt as having to pay some minor desk jockey a few hundred to get some paperwork done faster?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (AC0lD)

255 "To get money out of politics, get politics out of money." whee doggy, that one has legs problem is, you need a long hit on a fat spliff to believe it

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (Hj3ib)

256 RG is an inaccurate passer. Why would the Cards want him? Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:50 PM (oDCMR) --Did you see how the Cardinals offense was when Palmer was hurt last year? Palmer himself was in the discard pile when Arians coached him back to life; maybe Arians can do the same for RGIII.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 10:53 AM (vsbNu)

257 And appropriations bills aren't supposed to originate in the Senate. Not that this will bother the current Beltway crowd, who tossed out black-letter constitutional law quite a while ago. Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 03:53 PM (noWW6) They'll just take another bill passed out of the House, strip it entirely, substitute their appropriations language, deem it passed and send to King Barry for signature.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (2Ojst)

258 "This treaty makes US pay for Iranian inspections of their own Nuclear facilities" insult upon injury

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (Hj3ib)

259 We all already have an asshole Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 03:51 PM (zOTsN) Imperforate Anus There are many forms of this birth defect, including: Absence of an anal opening Anal opening in the wrong position, usually a very small opening Abnormal connection or opening, called a fistula, between the rectum and the urethra, bladder or vagina Cloaca, in which a baby girl's rectum, urethra and vagina join together to form a single opening The things you learn.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (fWAjv)

260 Specifically, a $14,995 Nissan from a Nissan dealership. " 2 grand. For a 15K price point, they're in the car for somewhere between 11 and 12, UC manager threw in another grand for warranty and whatever else it needed to put it on the line, so you should buy it for somewhere just north of 13K. Unless there's some odd circumstance...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (C9pBZ)

261

ace, I assume you do not take that Reid constitutional figleaf/rationale on cloture rules seriously?  Senate rules are up to the Senate, they're not sacrosanct, and when the Dems ended the filibuster for judicial nominees (sub-SCOTUS) it was of course specifically and entirely to ram through some idiots to further our degradation and bolster judicial tyranny (DC circuit appeals in particular).  But you knew that.

 

The recess appointment episode, where one party in the Senate had to go to court to reverse it, signalled unambiguously that the constitutional balance was gone, as even the informal glue holding it together (institutionaly jealousies over their powers) was among the key and traditional things the new, freakish Dem party had abandoned.

 

So McConnell should absolutely change any rules he needs to ram anything he wants through the Senate.  Only cowardice, dim strategic thinking, or lack of sympathy with one's party's own professed agenda would argue against doing so.

 

So there we are.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (QDnY+)

262 OT Inquiry: Any frequent car buyers around? What's a decent and reasonable amount to expect/ask for/demand off of sticker price when buying a used car (for the wife's daily driver)? Specifically, a $14,995 Nissan from a Nissan dealership. Can I get them down a thousand bucks? Maybe 500 at least? I haven't bought a car in almost 15 years.

Posted by: Lincolntf


I've used Edmunds with some success. Helped my father get like $2500 below on a last-year Civic.

Scroll down for the section "See what others Paid" And then scroll futher for dealership offers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at August 31, 2015 10:54 AM (Ck8hC)

263 *Helmet on. Ass to blast. Ass to blast.* Smelling ozone.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (E9ede)

264 243 My understanding he gets the money if he starts the season. If he's cut, then no money. Who wants to pay $16M for a third string clipboard holder? Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:48 PM (oDCMR) --I'm still scratching my head that Cousins is the starter. McCoy has played better. At least I feel good about the Chefs' depth at QB. ----------------- Yep, Colt has look a little sharper than Kirk but I think there is some doubt about his ability to take a hit. It also may be what the locker room wants. Needless to say Kirk and Colt are step up in the Hope and Change category for Redskin fans.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (oDCMR)

265 To get money out of politics, get politics out of money. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:52 PM (dciA+) Problem is that will never work. "Politics" is just "popular government," and government will always be "in" money. Not just coining it, but enforcing contract law and criminal code, setting trade regulations, and so forth. As long as there is a government worth the name, it will be deeply involved in the economy. So what you do is limit the government to a set of explicitly designated powers (huh, seems like I've heard this concept somewhere), and even then you break it up so that no one person or group has too much (funny, I think I've heard that one, too).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (kff5f)

266 insult upon injury Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 03:54 PM (Hj3ib) Time to vow revenge.

Posted by: Montresor at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (2Ojst)

267 They will be too busy fighting Obama's executive overreach... of Mount McKinley. That will be Boehner's hill to die on.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 31, 2015 03:01 PM (n/ogz)

 

McKinley was a great American, one of the best, but hey, if it comes to that, I say sure, die on every hill.   Fight them with teeth on all things big and small. 

 

In case anyone's noticed, Obama and his people are relentless when it comes to advancing their agenda and achieving their goals.  They never stop.

 

So yeah:   Fight the Mt. McKinley deal. Fight every deal.  Make it clear every advance will be met and countered with a fucking brass-knuckled brawl.  I mean, geez Louise, the GOP has been doing the swooning maiden schtick for years now.   Any sign of fight on about any issue would be welcome.

Posted by: troyriser at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (Bvf82)

268 254 Yip

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 10:55 AM (LAliD)

269 You're right. If John Kerry says it, it must be true.

Posted by: Feh, Crack Whore at August 31, 2015 10:56 AM (Hj3ib)

270 If Citizens United gives the commies that much heartburn it must be good. You know what it was about, right? A documentary about Hillary.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 10:56 AM (2Ocf1)

271 258 "This treaty makes US pay for Iranian inspections of their own Nuclear facilities" insult upon injury Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 03:54 PM (Hj3ib) You ever think the Iranians were just screwing around, and decided to put in all sorts of shit to see if we were paying attention? Like when Van Halen had that Brown M&M contract rider?

Posted by: Iblis at August 31, 2015 10:56 AM (9221z)

272 Now that ace has given me approval to respond. Allen, and I say this more in sadness than anger, do you know what you are? A Sooners supporter. Boomer Sooner indeed. In. Deed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 10:57 AM (mf5HN)

273

 

The world's problems aren't designed to be solved. I don't want the government to try and solve them.  I'm realistic.

 I just wish we could avoid two things: 1) Spending all the money that will ever exist in the world  x's 10,000; and  2) letting maniac's with a death wish have their own nuclear weapons.  

Not big ask's really. Fairly manageable an realistic goals.   But NOooooo. We gotta have this clown show of failure to burn money on the altar of a false gods and toss the key's to Pandora's box to a bunch of mouth breathing sub morons with a death wish. And it doesn't matter who is president or what party has control.  These two things, which shouldn't happen, somehow must be done.  I can not explain the current state of affairs with the available data. There must be more going on than we are aware.

Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2015 10:57 AM (5vV+V)

274 Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 10:24 AM (HJqXj)


Posted by: get over it , dude at August 31, 2015 03:49 PM (HJqXj)

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (oVJmc)

275 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 03:57 PM (mf5HN) O_O Buh... buh... That was mean and hurtful.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (kff5f)

276 256 RG is an inaccurate passer. Why would the Cards want him? Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:50 PM (oDCMR) --Did you see how the Cardinals offense was when Palmer was hurt last year? Palmer himself was in the discard pile when Arians coached him back to life; maybe Arians can do the same for RGIII. -------------------------- That may be true, but that would be for RG's benefit not the Cards. I've watched RG for 3 years. He is not capable of becoming a NFL starter. It's like arguing that Tebow would be good for the Cards - he wouldn't. The Cards are built on the long pass - which has to be accurate.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (oDCMR)

277 Why meathead why. Don't do that

Posted by: ThunderB at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (zOTsN)

278 Regarding the car deal, we advise paying full price, adding on exorbitant fees, and securing the highest possible interest rate. Then you can criticize the dealer and promise to fight for a better deal next time.

Posted by: GOP souces say... at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (Ui7Rt)

279 Having been in politics a long time, I think you all way over estimate the "Donor Class's" power.




Remember the guy that gave all the money to his favorite democrats that believed in "global warming", the hedge fund guy?




All his candidates lost.



Taking the money does not guarantee any return and let's not forget, unlike the horde, most people pay NO attention to WTF is going on and they don't contribute to candidates.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (0FSuD)

280 So what you do is limit the government to a set of explicitly designated powers " Le Etat, C'est Moi

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 10:58 AM (C9pBZ)

281 Thanks for the tips. The price is reasonable by my judgment/market comparisons, but I feel obligated to haggle as I assume that's built in to the asking price. We can definitely walk away, and know exactly what we're ultimately willing to pay.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 31, 2015 10:59 AM (2cS/G)

282 Allen, and I say this more in sadness than anger, do you know what you are? A Sooners supporter. Boomer Sooner indeed. In. Deed. Oh snap.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 10:59 AM (E9ede)

283 The "Stop Iran" coalition is having a rally in front of Kirstin Giillibrand's office tomorrow 5:30-7;30 pm for anyone who lives/works near NYC and would like to attend: http://stopiranrally.or/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2015 10:59 AM (OSs/l)

284 So McConnell should absolutely change any rules he needs to ram anything he wants through the Senate. Isn't that what the Corker bill was?

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 10:59 AM (2Ocf1)

285 Boomer Sooner indeed. In. Deed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 03:57 PM (mf5HN)

You mean the school that copied Yale's fight song?  That school?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 11:00 AM (0FSuD)

286 Listen... it is a little tough to do, but there will *always* be other cars cropping up. Just be patient.

Posted by: Moderate Muslim at August 31, 2015 03:53 PM (9mTYi)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Of course.  You may have to drive your old car for another 10 years before you get the ideal car/price, but what the hell.

 

Buy what you feel like buying and what you can afford.  And, for goodness sakes, don't listen to anyone after you bought it tell you  that you could have gotten a better deal.  It's horseshit. 

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:00 AM (P25Hh)

287 If Citizens United gives the commies that much heartburn it must be good. ------------------- Damn! Right out of the gate, Blaster uses the trigger word, causing the September Posting of the excerpt from Micky Spillane's 'One Lonely Night': "I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I've ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:00 AM (9mTYi)

288 Honestly, I never got OU adopting the Sooner name. "Yay! We're cheats, thieves, and scoundrels! Go us!" Huh?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 11:01 AM (kff5f)

289 Last time I got a car, I spent five minutes agreeing on a price, and half a fucking hour saying no to all the add-ons.

Posted by: why yes I'd love ScotchGuarded sparkplugs! at August 31, 2015 11:01 AM (ZtFr+)

290

Some people like to go for a drive in the country to see the beautiful sights.

Some only go hoping to see a bunch of grisly traffic accidents

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 11:02 AM (LAliD)

291 Crap! Hold it...., it's Aug. 31. Post 287 is hereby withdrawn. We regret any inconvenience.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:02 AM (9mTYi)

292 That may be true, but that would be for RG's benefit not the Cards. I've watched RG for 3 years. He is not capable of becoming a NFL starter. It's like arguing that Tebow would be good for the Cards - he wouldn't. The Cards are built on the long pass - which has to be accurate. Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 03:58 PM (oDCMR) --He only threw 5 INTs his rookie year. I think he needs his legs to be a good passer, and that's why he has been subpar since. It's in his legs, not his head. If he's willing to take a pay cut, he may get a fresh start with lower expectations.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 11:02 AM (vsbNu)

293 I'd make Nissan pay me to drive the car.

Posted by: Mr. Donald Trump at August 31, 2015 11:02 AM (Ui7Rt)

294 All this talk of cars reminds me I may be in the market for a new one soon. Anyone want to front me 250,000 to buy a tank? Next time my wife gets hit by some idiot not paying attention, I want *not* to have to file an insurance claim.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 11:02 AM (kff5f)

295 "They will be too busy fighting Obama's executive overreach... of Mount McKinley. That will be Boehner's hill to die on."

The rest of the GOP field behind Trump are all in a floundering desperate panic to try to get some of the oxygen back that The Donald sucked out of the room.

Mayhaps one of them should go to Ohio and:

(a) Shout it from the rooftops that this is a yet another in a long string of examples of Obama's hatred and contempt for American history and tradition, by in this case erasing a great Ohioan from the maps and the books, and

(b) Point out that Ohio needs to get rid of the mistake that was made in elevating Ohio's own John Boehner in the Republican leadership, since Obama's abuses and usurpations have been continually abetted by Boehner's weakness and refusal to oppose Obama.

Seriously, run *against* the GOP Congress. It's not as though they're riding a huge wave of popularity right now.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (noWW6)

296 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice Clinic think President Obama should tell that racist sheriff in Milwaukee to shut up protect black lives in his community instead of just parroting Bush. Bush lied and now this Sheriff guy is lying about opersons of color and of out Presdent of Color. He should be arrested for saying bad things about the Presdent and shouls l;ove the Presdent per that Constitution thing in Washington, DC. We call on Bush to call ooff all of this anti-good guy redereick and help the Presdent now.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (lNSdJ)

297 I think the Iranians knew Kerry was a dumbass about sixty seconds after he said hello. And they already knew they had a friendly in Obama. All they had to do is keep saying "no," and Obama/Kerry would eventually fold. Which they did. I don't know. Maybe Obama is playing some deep game whereby Iran goes nuclear, upsets the whole balance over there, and the ME plunges into another big internecine war in which Israel defends itself well and everything else comes out smoking ash. Ergo, jihadi problem solved. But that requires you to believe Obama is anti-jihad. I don't.

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (Hj3ib)

298 I assume that's built in to the asking price." You assume well. As others have said, buy what you need and ignore the rest. Then when you're chatting with the neighbors tell them you paid 9,999. Including extended warranty. One will pipe up that "uncle bob" could've gotten a better deal...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (C9pBZ)

299 The Sooner Wagon is ghey.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (vsbNu)

300 I don't think the problem is campaign donations; I think the problem is bribery. The big donors give the RNC their S&M sex bar junkets and bloated salaries. Candidates can pull all kinds of crap with their campaign contributions to live off their donors' largesse. The issue is that people should be able to spend as much as they want on advocacy, but NOT on bribery of officials. Campaign Finance Reform laws worked to limit what groups could advocate in public, not the poisonous backdoor stuff. Feinstein used the laws to target pro-life people for putting up billboards, not for making obscene donations and buying candidates. In fact, those laws made that method more likely.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (Oodza)

301 I want *not* to have to file an insurance claim. Posted by: AllenG ------------ Insurance is just a license to haggle with the insurance company.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:03 AM (9mTYi)

302 So Fox News is reporting that there is outrage that Auschwitz installed showers to cool down visitors.

OK - have it your way.  Let it stay hot like the ovens.

http://tinyurl.com/ozv2eea

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (DlmoZ)

303 You mean the school that copied Yale's fight song? That school?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 04:00 PM (0FSuD)

 

 

-------------------------------------

 

 

Little known fact.   The writer and composer for Yales fight song was an Oklahoma indian.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (P25Hh)

304 >>> Someonly gohoping to see a bunch of grisly traffic accidents Always seems the worst ones occur out there. Can't really be so, though

Posted by: Bigby's Clenched Fist at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (3ZtZW)

305 Reid and Obama agreed to let this be voted on. Filibusters should not apply.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (rEEK1)

306 "Anyone want to front me 250,000 to buy a tank? Next time my wife gets hit by some idiot not paying attention, I want *not* to have to file an insurance claim."

Buy an early 1970s Suburban. Next best thing.

With pump prices temporarily low, even the 8 MPG will be tolerable.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (noWW6)

307 Didn't Ohio go for Obama? Maybe Boehner is trying to wedge it away from the Dems by defending McKinley's "honor." Circuses.

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 11:04 AM (Hj3ib)

308 The price is reasonable by my judgment/market comparisons, but I feel obligated to haggle as I assume that's built in to the asking price. We can definitely walk away, and know exactly what we're ultimately willing to pay.

Posted by: Lincolntf


Haggling is quickly dying off because the net has the info on what people are paying. If it's a Toyota or Honda, I'd just find a deal, test drive, and buy if it fits.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (Ck8hC)

309 >>>Still, in order to have fruitful political discussions, it is necessary that we pretend to be members of a functioning democracy in which voters have some sort of influence on government and popular will is somehow of concern to politicians. What is the fruit of that? That's what I hate most about politics. All this arguing over irrelevant shit that doesn't matter because our opinions don't really matter to start with. There'd at least be a point to yelling at people if anyone's opinion actually made any difference. >> So we'll pretend along, because otherwise, every blog post will be very short: "The Donor Class wins." 'heh' seems to work all right for instapundit.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (TULs6)

310
Little known fact. The writer and composer for Yales fight song was an Oklahoma indian. Posted by: Soona


Elizabeth Warren?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (/Ho8c)

311 >>>>Buy what you feel like buying and what you can afford. And, for goodness sakes, don't listen to anyone after you bought it tell you that you could have gotten a better deal. It's horseshit.
.
.
.Ah, yes, that guy.  The one that will tell you that you should have come to him before you wrote that check because he knows a guy who's sisters husband works in the business and he could have got you that very same car for a grand less.  Yeah, that guy.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (iONHu)

312 @291 never feel bad about shooting commies. And it may be that August is up for a double shot of that quote, anyway: instapundit used commies today. He's moving away from big L libertarian to Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (2Ocf1)

313 O_O Buh... buh... That was mean and hurtful. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 03:58 PM (kff5f) Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (mf5HN)

314 304 Reloading while driving is distracted driving

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (LAliD)

315 Joe Biden told me it's time to go nucular.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (E5UB0)

316 When I go to the website of the local dealership with the Nissan to check it out, a pop-up chat window appears and "Rex" the salesman is there to answer my questions. I haven't said a word, of course, but I'm thinking about dropping a "We'll bring you 13k tonight for the car" and see what he says.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 31, 2015 11:05 AM (2cS/G)

317 Insurance is just a license to haggle with the insurance company. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 04:03 PM (9mTYi) Yeah. For the previous accident, the other guy's insurance seemed to hope we wouldn't think to ask for devaluation on the vehicle. Too bad for them. The problem with the current accident is that, as far as I know, no one has cornered the other driver and forced her to give her insurance information. She's being criminally investigated, but that doesn't seem to be doing much. So *my* insurance is the one on the hook. I can't *wait* to see my rate increase letter...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 11:06 AM (kff5f)

318 My g-grandfather made a killing selling whiskey in the Oklahoma Indian territory.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:06 AM (9mTYi)

319 316 +100

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 11:06 AM (LAliD)

320 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 04:00 PM That never gets old, Hammer

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 31, 2015 11:07 AM (ZQfW9)

321 ♫♫ Yea, Alabama! Drown 'em Tide! Every 'Bama man's behind you, Hit your stride. Go teach the Bulldogs to behave, Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave. And if a man starts to weaken, That's a shame! For Bama's pluck and grit have Writ her name in Crimson flame. Fight on, fight on, fight on men! Remember the Rose Bowl, we'll win then. Go, roll to victory, Hit your stride, You're Dixie's football pride, Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!! ♫♫

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 11:07 AM (evdj2)

322 But the Senate already did vote on the treaty, via the Corker bill.

Posted by: Phyllis Balzac at August 31, 2015 11:07 AM (lU0bX)

323 Honestly, I never got OU adopting the Sooner name.

"Yay! We're cheats, thieves, and scoundrels! Go us!"

Huh?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 04:01 PM (kff5f)

 

 

---------------------------------------

 

 

No.  It's foresight, ambition, and  acting  while others diddle and starve.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:08 AM (P25Hh)

324 Reloading while driving is distracted reloading" FIFY

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 11:08 AM (C9pBZ)

325

321 What is that, the song the band plays when it's marching in the gay pride parade???

Go Bruins

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 11:08 AM (LAliD)

326 I haven't said a word, of course, but I'm thinking about dropping a "We'll bring you 13k tonight for the car" and see what he says. $12k cash. Small, unmarked bills.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at August 31, 2015 11:09 AM (E9ede)

327 Man, you know how much fvcking money we can make in Iran?


Why yes, I do. Considering that the whole fvcking country has about the GDP of Dallas and Fort Worth - the correct answer is: "Not very much".



Posted by: [/i] [/u] [/s] [/b]An Observation at August 31, 2015 11:09 AM (L9txZ)

328 Subdue them! Subdue them! Make them relinquish the ball!

Posted by: Yale Fight Song at August 31, 2015 11:09 AM (DrC22)

329 Yeah. For the previous accident, the other guy's insurance seemed to hope we wouldn't think to ask for devaluation on the vehicle. Too bad for them. ----------------- Once had a parking garage mishap. A guy ran into me. I was driving the Femme du Jour's car. His car was covered by Liberty Mutual, the girl's car was covered by Liberty Mutual, MY insurance was with Liberty Mutual. It took six months to get a check for the repairs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:10 AM (9mTYi)

330 325, Sounds like a Tide detergent ad jingle circa 1950s... Only the elbow posts here make the CF season survivable.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 11:10 AM (C9pBZ)

331 Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!! Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 04:07 PM (evdj2) ************ We be all up in dey face an' bring de shit down on dey sorry ass! NownwhaIsayin? Sheee....

Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 31, 2015 11:11 AM (vgIRn)

332 292 --He only threw 5 INTs his rookie year. I think he needs his legs to be a good passer, and that's why he has been subpar since. It's in his legs, not his head. If he's willing to take a pay cut, he may get a fresh start with lower expectations. ------------------- The first year they ran an offense that was similar to what he ran in college. He excelled because there was no game tape on him. The last two years he has attempted to become a pocket QB and it's obvious he's not up to it. He can't read defenses, he can't check down and he can't throw accurately. Also, he can't run as fast as he did. He is totally baffled by the game and it shows. Love him at first, but its best for him and the Skins that he move on.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:11 AM (oDCMR)

333 Elizabeth Warren?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 04:05 PM (/Ho8c)

 

 

------------------------------------

 

 

It was before  her, but yes, she probably sung it to quiet the restless crab herds during thunderstorms.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:11 AM (P25Hh)

334 "We'll bring you 13k tonight for the car" and see what he says. $12k cash. Small, unmarked bills. Posted by: rickb -------------- Check, made out. My way or no way. Be prepared to walk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 11:11 AM (9mTYi)

335 the correct answer is: "Not very much". Ha. Wait till we get back in business

Posted by: Ex/Im Money Tree at August 31, 2015 11:12 AM (C9pBZ)

336 You're Dixie's football pride,
Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!


I'm pretty sure that's racist, dude.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 11:12 AM (/Ho8c)

337 It took six months to get a check for the repairs. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at August 31, 2015 04:10 PM (9mTYi) Ouch. I'll say this about Progressive (the other guy's insurance in the last wreck)- they were prompt, polite, and easy to work with. They gave us no guff when we chose not to sign the medical claim release for my wife until after we'd actually seen the doctor, and then again when we found out she'd actually have medical bills. I don't even mind that they didn't volunteer to pay us devaluation (well, okay, a little, but I understand why they wouldn't).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 11:12 AM (kff5f)

338 quiet the restless crab herds during thunderstorms. Posted by: Soona

lol

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 31, 2015 11:13 AM (/Ho8c)

339 The first year they ran an offense that was similar to what he ran in college. He excelled because there was no game tape on him. The last two years he has attempted to become a pocket QB and it's obvious he's not up to it. He can't read defenses, he can't check down and he can't throw accurately. Also, he can't run as fast as he did. He is totally baffled by the game and it shows. Love him at first, but its best for him and the Skins that he move on. Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 04:11 PM (oDCMR) --So what about Freddie? I think the Cards would be a good fit for him as well, given that they lost their rookie RB . . . but it would be hilarious to see the Jets pick him up.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 11:13 AM (vsbNu)

340 My way or no way. Be prepared to walk." Hey, let me go talk to my manager...

Posted by: Salesguy really going back to the coffee machine at August 31, 2015 11:14 AM (C9pBZ)

341 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 31, 2015 04:03 PM (Oodza) Actually.... one HUGE problem we have is that politicians get to pick the members of the federal election commission... which oversees politicians...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 31, 2015 11:14 AM (qh617)

342 folks, this is the way it is. That 'guy' ubama and his masters, have made up their minds to destroy America, and by extension, civilization. They want to see a caliphate. Do we honestly believe 'republicans' will do anything to stop this? I sure don't.

Posted by: Eromero at August 31, 2015 11:14 AM (go5uR)

343 So, how will a nuclear Iran work with ISIS?

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 11:14 AM (Hj3ib)

344 yeah you're probably right... still, it's not really much fun watching the Donor Class buy their government. Posted by: ace at August 31, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+) Not as if they weren't doing that before though. They just had to be sneakier about it.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2015 11:15 AM (z/Ubi)

345 279 Remember the guy that gave all the money to his favorite democrats that believed in "global warming", the hedge fund guy? All his candidates lost. Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 03:58 PM (0FSuD) -------------- Um, no. His money, his 24/7 TV ads, were very important in giving VA the glorious Terry McAuliffe. And they were crucial in giving us a sleazebag, hard-left atty general over the popular Obenchain. (The ads were full of outright lies, but what can you do?) Now, in defense of your point, it must be said that his success in the off-year VA elections went to his head. He thought he could duplicate it broadly but could not. What I'd say is that money usually matters, but it sure isn't everything. (Brat v. Cantor, e.g.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 31, 2015 11:15 AM (cN9Sk)

346 FTSB - Erick Erickson: This is the Beginning of the End of the Republican Party I thought EE was on the pad from the RNC?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 11:15 AM (evdj2)

347 The best was five years ago when Alabama's sound guy played "Son of a Preacher Man" and "Take the Money and Run" when Cam Newton and the Auburn Tigers came to visit. The sound guy got fired, but to this day he probably still thinks it was totally worth it.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 11:16 AM (vsbNu)

348 So, how will a nuclear Iran work with ISIS?" Really, really well. That is if you're in the radioactive fallout cleanup business.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 31, 2015 11:16 AM (C9pBZ)

349 FTSB - Erick Erickson: This is the Beginning of the End of the Republican Party I always feel so weird when I agree with EE. But he's right. The Republican Party has a very narrow range of options in dealing with Trump to keep the party whole (or even strengthen it). They're choosing none of those.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 11:17 AM (kff5f)

350 I heard Syria has lost 50% of its population.

Posted by: Feh at August 31, 2015 11:17 AM (Hj3ib)

351 "To get money out of politics, get politics out of money." Exactly. But to do that would mean going over to a one-page tax code with no special deals in it, and going back to Congress actually doing the job we pay them for; passing explicit laws instead of simply creating a new bureaucracy for every perceived problem and telling the head of it to "make appropriate regulations". Which I am SO in favor of, let there be no mistake. Unfortunately as Insty also says "this offers insufficient opportunities for graft". It's a tough problem, and we laid the groundwork for todays screwed-up-mess many decades ago.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2015 11:17 AM (go6ud)

352 Andrew Luck needs to lose that beard. I've seen rookie NHL playoff beards that looked better.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 11:18 AM (vsbNu)

353 339 --So what about Freddie? I think the Cards would be a good fit for him as well, given that they lost their rookie RB . . . but it would be hilarious to see the Jets pick him up. ------------------------ Well the Skins will be looking for a number 3 to bring in.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:19 AM (oDCMR)

354 It's a tough problem, and we laid the groundwork for todays screwed-up-mess many decades ago." Who's "we", kemosabe?

Posted by: Early 20th Century Progressives to FDR at August 31, 2015 11:19 AM (C9pBZ)

355 Andrew Luck needs to lose that beard. I've seen rookie NHL playoff beards that looked better. I like his Cro-Magnon look.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 31, 2015 11:19 AM (evdj2)

356 352 Andrew Luck needs to lose that beard. I've seen rookie NHL playoff beards that looked better. ----------------------------- He kind of defines Neck Beard doesn't he?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:20 AM (oDCMR)

357 Andrew Luck needs to lose that beard. I've seen rookie NHL playoff beards that looked better. Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 04:18 PM (vsbNu) It is an insult to beards to call that thing a beard. Annnd willowed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 31, 2015 11:20 AM (mf5HN)

358 How many times have we held out hope for the GOPe? how often have we hoped the majorities we gave them in two elections would be put to some good use? But no hill is the hill to die on, u less it's a corporate welfare hill the Democrats also support. All the base issues are wacko-bird problems, and-- while the GOPe wants to look good -- they simply do not want to win on those issues. Even when there is a path to victory, an obvious enough path often enough, the Republicans (particularly those of the Senate persuasion) use that debate as a way to tantalize us. The excruciating "Will they or won't they?" moments, right up until they disappoint us, then just become the base motivation for the next election. In other words, they perversely like losing just to get a bigger majority. You see this phenomena right now on Iran: The President cannot be stopped but this is ENTIRELY on the fucking Democrats-- elect us and we can undo the damage! Horsecrap, every word. Seriously, save your energy and just say "fuck 'em!" right up front. It's a lot less painful to start off that way.

Posted by: MTF at August 31, 2015 11:21 AM (TxJGV)

359 350 I heard Syria has lost 50% of its population. --------------------------- Odd. I've heard Germany has been growing by a million citizens a year.

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:21 AM (oDCMR)

360 I'm warning you kids for the last time! That Constitution isn't made of rubber! If you keep stretching it you will tear it to bits! And you will not get a new one! (Mutters under breath) Idiots.

Posted by: The Founders at August 31, 2015 11:22 AM (uPxUo)

361 I always feel so weird when I agree with EE. But he's right. The Republican Party has a very narrow range of options in dealing with Trump to keep the party whole (or even strengthen it).

They're choosing none of those.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 31, 2015 04:17 PM (kff5f)

 

 

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It's almost like they have a death-wish for themselves.   I'm  sure that they're hoping for a  break-away party to rid themselves of all of  us  sister-humping, flyover, redneck hillbillies.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:23 AM (P25Hh)

362 341 Actually.... one HUGE problem we have is that politicians get to pick the members of the federal election commission... which oversees politicians... Posted by: BB Wolf at August 31, 2015 04:14 PM (qh617) --------------- Yep. Similar problem with judges who pretend to protect the Constitution.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 31, 2015 11:23 AM (cN9Sk)

363 I would say something desparging OSU, but they have not been nice to the Crimson Tide last few meetings.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 31, 2015 11:24 AM (jsWA8)

364 327 What's the best way to wash blood off of paper money???

Posted by: MAx at August 31, 2015 11:24 AM (LAliD)

365 361 It's almost like they have a death-wish for themselves. I'm sure that they're hoping for a break-away party to rid themselves of all of us sister-humping, flyover, redneck hillbillies. ------------------------- I think Jeb promised the hillbilly sisters to the Dreamers. This is the meaning of Immigration is Love is it not?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:25 AM (oDCMR)

366 How to take politics out of money ? I'd suggest going back to LESS direct elections, not more. Because getting directly elected to any Federal office is an expensive proposition. House directly elected by citizens. Senators elected by State Legislatures, from existing Legislature. President elected by House and Senate, from existing pool of willing Governors. VP elected by same, from existing pool of Senators. And term limits for all Federal offices, and no pension OR federal salary. All reps to be paid by States, in the manner of their choosing. Most of these ideas are just rips off how it used to work.

Posted by: Irony at August 31, 2015 11:27 AM (3FBAK)

367 I think Jeb promised the hillbilly sisters to the Dreamers. This is the meaning of Immigration is Love is it not?

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 04:25 PM (oDCMR)

 

 

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Is this like pushing virgins into a volcano?

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2015 11:27 AM (P25Hh)

368 364 327 What's the best way to wash blood off of paper money??? Washing machine, cold wash, cold rinse. Let it soak for an hour in water and hydrogen peroxide. Dry on low heat. Wrap body in...

Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 31, 2015 11:28 AM (oDCMR)

369 299 The Sooner Wagon is ghey.

Posted by: logprof at August 31, 2015 04:03 PM (vsbNu)


True.  Please don't tell me those hawght cheerleaders are too.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 31, 2015 11:30 AM (0FSuD)

370 Many moons ago, before the annual Army-Navy game, Army kidnapped the Navy mascot, Bill the Goat. During the game, Army raucously shouted: We've got Bill the Goat! We've got Bill the Goat! Navy, prepared as usual, shouted back: You can keep Bill the Goat, we've got girls!

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 31, 2015 11:36 AM (dQJCS)

371 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up Cough, cough B.R.O.W.N.S cough, cough

Posted by: wrg500 at August 31, 2015 11:39 AM (C278+)

372  Cruz needs to shut the government down again and have Trump explain it to the American people.

Posted by: Valiant at August 31, 2015 11:50 AM (2bqlb)

373 How to take politics out of money ? Money is politics. And politics is money. If we haven't learned that by now, let me introduce you to ALL political parties.

Posted by: GBruno at August 31, 2015 12:01 PM (u49WF)

374 That Exim Bank thing is just a perfect example of cronyism at work: it's a New Deal program that benefits the business class and loses money. Obama was originally against it, but hey--he's establishment now. Basically, the taxpayers hand over free money to big business--especially Boeing--to subsidize purchases abroad. Oh, and we give money to foreign governments, too.

*This* is the hill the establishment assholes want to die on. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 31, 2015 12:10 PM (lcgkl)

375 Here's a newsflash: the Donor Class wants economic sanctions against Iran eventually lifted. If that means a few million Jews get nuked to sell widgets in Tehran, eggs, omelets.

Posted by: Monica didn't see Bill pulling out, either at August 31, 2015 03:35 PM (pq97T)

376 test ¡ test [¡]

Posted by: The International Church of Islam, Religion of Peace at September 01, 2015 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

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