October 30, 2015

Jeb Memo: Current Poll News Doesn't Matter, Because Voters Have A.D.D.
— Ace

I think there's a lot of truth there. Still, probably won't help him to say, and when you're knocking voters (even if the knock has truth to it) it's a sign you're failing.

Like you needed more signs.

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Jeb actually distributed this memo to "select" reporters, hoping to influence their coverage, so I guess he was okay with this getting out there.

Bush's top lieutenants convened with donors in sopping wet Houston on Monday to calm their fears and retrench for the unforgiving haul ahead.

After the confab, Bush's team distributed a 45-page PowerPoint presentation to select reporters, summarizing an optimistic view of the race, touting the Republican candidate's cash and organization, and assuring supporters that early polls are rarely indicative of ultimate success.

But in that leak to select media, the campaign purposely left out more than half of what was furnished behind closed doors.

The full presentation, obtained exclusively by U.S. News, spans 112 pages and includes a trove of new details, including Bush's internal polling, his vote goal in Iowa and his advertising plan for January.

Of course, it includes further attacks on Marco Rubio.

While the slides released to the press highlight Bush's Sunshine State endorsements and Rubio's lack of experience, another page for donor edification gets dirtier.

It's titled "Marco Is A Risky Bet," and it bullet-points Rubio's "misuse of state party credit cards, taxpayer funds and ties to scandal-tarred former Congressman David Rivera."

When Rubio was a state lawmaker, he used the state party credit card for personal expenses, a decision he later called a mistake. In 2005, he and Rivera jointly purchased a home that later faced foreclosure.

Another bullet point says Rubio's "closeness with Norman Braman, who doubles as personal benefactor[,] raises major ethical questions."

Braman, a billionaire auto dealer, is expected to pour $10 million into Rubio's White House endeavor, The New York Times reports. He's also paid Rubio's wife to oversee his charitable work.

The Bush team also mocks Rubio's "tomorrow versus yesterday" argument as one that would be "widely ridiculed by media" should he run against the first potential female president.

The most cryptic slight is left for last: "Those who have looked into Marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they have found."

A Bush aide says that line refers to concerns Mitt Romney's team unearthed when they vetted Rubio for vice president in 2012.

Romney's people immediately disputed that.

From Politico:

[I]n an email to POLITICO, Beth Myers, a longtime Romney political adviser who in 2012 oversaw his vice presidential search, pushed back on the assertion.

"As the senior Romney advisor who handled VP vetting and had access to all the vetting documents, I can say that Senator Rubio 'passed' our vetting and we found nothing that disqualified him from serving as VP,” wrote Myers, who counts herself a Bush supporter. "The Bush aide referred to in this article is simply wrong."

So I guess the fact that Beth Myers is a "Bush supporter" should put this question to bed... except, are Bush supporters still really Bush supporters?

Rubio is contacting Bush donors, and the Rubio camp claims they're getting positive vibes.

According to one of the people, the Rubio camp is finding open minds, some anger over Bush going negative; some Bush bundlers are saying they need a "decent interval"; Rubio camp is casting the discussions as base-touching rather than "grave-dancing" and know it's a "delicate courtship"

For more like that -- on the immense fallout from Jeb's performance, and widespread claims that he is absolutely finish -- see AllahPundit's quotes of the day, which read like eulogies for someone no one much liked.

Generally, people in the media and commentariat overreact to things, and hype things, because that's what they're paid to do. People don't read political "analysts" because they want a sober reflection on what happened; they read they to get a hysterical overreaction, because hysterical overreactions are fun to read. Like a digest of a soap opera.

Most of the time I'd look at the Quotes of the Day predicting Jeb's demise and say "Well then that's not right, if all these imbecile agree."

But they may be right here. When stupid, hysterical people all say the same stupid, hysterical thing, it still creates a fact on the ground that stupid, hysterical people believe this. And these stupid, hysterical people are media writers, so their stupid, hysterical claims are read by other people (many of whom are stupid and hysterical).

My point is, even if I thought these idiots were wrong as a starting matter (and I'm not sure they are), they may wind up vindicating themselves and making themselves right by simply declaring Bush dead so frequently that the two words become roughly synonymous.

Maybe Bush really is done. Maybe that debate performance -- another bad one, listless and, if I may say, Low-T -- wasn't as cataclysmic as the hysterics are saying, but the fact that they're all saying it (they are cowards and are only comfortable expressing pungent, hard-hitting commentary that everyone else already believes and has already written) may make it turn out to be true.

Maybe... Drew's longstanding prediction that Jeb would win is wrong.

I certainly see Drew shifting his attacks to the New Half-Built Death Star (Marco Rubio).

Posted by: Ace at 07:33 AM | Comments (397)
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1 TRANS POWER!!!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 30, 2015 07:34 AM (E5UB0)

2 2nd?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 30, 2015 07:34 AM (E5UB0)

3 I just can't understand why this guy isn't doing better in the polls!

Posted by: Naes at October 30, 2015 07:35 AM (Ypc8j)

4 Go home, Jeb.  You're drunk boring.

Posted by: huerfano at October 30, 2015 07:35 AM (O2jYw)

5 enstompeneded

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at October 30, 2015 07:37 AM (7RXcs)

6 There's an easier argument against Rubio (although it sideswipes Cruz and Paul too). No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. Jindal is making that argument and I think it's far more swaying that Bush's petty attacks which seem to follow the same line broadly but get lost in the execution.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2015 07:37 AM (tM4uk)

7 Voters also have a sense of smell, Jeb.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:37 AM (oVJmc)

8 The Stupid Party, summed up in one convenient image. Great work, Jeb! This should signify the bow breaking in half, and it's only a matter of squeezing all of the air out of the aft section before your ship completely sinks. Have a great New Year, you won't be very busy.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at October 30, 2015 07:37 AM (p7xvv)

9 Just go away already.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 30, 2015 07:38 AM (LA7Cm)

10 I heard some guy shilling for Bush b/c he is a "moderate" and only "moderates" get elected by the repubs. Well, what's the point if he cant get elected? Why would anyone think anyone else would vote for a Bush? People are sick of dynasty and I would hope the same would apply to Clinton.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 30, 2015 07:38 AM (iQIUe)

11 Let the GOPe circular firing squad commence.

Posted by: SH at October 30, 2015 07:38 AM (gmeXX)

12 Latino voters don't have ADD because they're way smarter than non-Latino voters.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at October 30, 2015 07:38 AM (8ZskC)

13 Bush said voters have--omg, look, a new Target ad!

Posted by: LIV at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (VAsIq)

14 Every family needs a dumb lummox.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (8ZskC)

15 Still going with Dia de los Muertos Last debate day. All the cash in the world won't save him, unless that cash is heavy enough to really dig up the dirt on Rubio. Else, Rubio's got this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (qCMvj)

16 Jenner/Bush 2016. Tagline: No-T/Low-T. Caitlyn gets another Bush.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (E5UB0)

17 In the battle of El Jeb! v. Marco the Stooge, who do you cheer for? Its like Iran v Iraq. I despise both.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (yvwr7)

18 I don't think Bush wants to be President as much as his backers want him to be President.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 30, 2015 07:39 AM (JxMoP)

19 tl:dr

/ADD

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:40 AM (oVJmc)

20 >>>No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. this argument means dick to me. Obama, whether you're willing to admit it or not, did transform this country. He transformed it in a way you don't like, but he did it. So the idea that a Senator can't push his vision through is just wrong. Obama is a monster because his thoughts are rank and hateful, not because he was just a one-term senator.

Posted by: Mike Tyson, Erotic Novelist at October 30, 2015 07:40 AM (dciA+)

21 btw, it's called Self-fulfilling prophecy they are creating this, in so many words hopefully, we are contributing the most

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2015 07:40 AM (qCMvj)

22 >>No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. Jindal is making that argument and I think it's far more swaying that Bush's petty attacks which seem to follow the same line broadly but get lost in the execution. Why not? Obama won two terms and got lots of stuff his base had wanted for years done. I'll take that kind of failure.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 07:40 AM (/tuJf)

23 Jeb looks fired up in the debates, got a lot of energy. I'm impressed.

Posted by: Fred Thompson at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (VAsIq)

24 DO YOU PEE MORE OFTEN THAN YOU USED TO?

Posted by: Annoying Commercial Break at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (9Izdv)

25 It's kind of fun living in a bubble.

Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (Jj/2n)

26 So looks like Bush really does realize that he will never make inroads into the "outraged base" pool. He and Pubio are locked in a zero sum game. So he must attack Pubio first and foremost. Will Dubya claim he never liked the guy?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (E5UB0)

27 I look forward to seeing all of those cool things Jeb says he'd like to be doing instead of running for president. Jeb on waterskis. Jeb throwing beads at Mardi Gras. Who knows what might happen?

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (ZufZo)

28
At the USNews link, they've got the full Powerpoint presentation.

Quoting Hugh Hewitt, George Will and Fred Barnes about how awesome you are will sure help shore up his conservative support.

Also, a comically bad PP.  Looks like something from the 90s.  Gradients, guys -- they're a thing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (kdS6q)

29 So Marco Rubio doesn't pay taxes?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (fWAjv)

30 Alright Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (8ZskC)

31 "2 - Race will remain fluid for some time because ... voters have A.D.D."

The author has my pity for crafting that sentence.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (JmGFJ)

32 I'm assuming that their '5 things' didn't stop at four.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (oVJmc)

33 Hey Tyson, quit stepping on my comments.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 07:41 AM (/tuJf)

34 I suggest he start calling himself "Je Bu" so people don't get bored in the middle.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:42 AM (oVJmc)

35 Jeb is like pajama boy with a sense of entitlement.

Posted by: Fritz at October 30, 2015 07:42 AM (UzPAd)

36 Jeb!'s team is a bunch of retards, led by their retard-in-chief. If there was ever any indication this man has no business sitting in the oval office, it is the way he has run his campaign. Ho Lee Fuk!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2015 07:42 AM (so+oy)

37 I'm assuming that their '5 things' didn't stop at four.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 12:41 PM



Neither would I.

Posted by: Rick Perry at October 30, 2015 07:42 AM (O2jYw)

38 I have money. I HAVE MONEY!!!!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at October 30, 2015 07:43 AM (8ZskC)

39 So Marco Rubio doesn't pay taxes? ---------- According to the debate, he stupidly paid taxes by raiding a retirement account.

Posted by: SH at October 30, 2015 07:43 AM (gmeXX)

40 I'm assuming that their '5 things' didn't stop at four. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did. What do you mean?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 30, 2015 07:43 AM (8ZskC)

41 The Bush campaign motto: cash>voters Its almost as smart as "lose the primary to win the general". Come to think of it: how the hell did Jeb get his reputation as some sort of super bright guy?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (UBu5m)

42 So why did he even give that "cool things" quote? Was he just letting off steam in the moment? What possible purpose could that serve, except as a parting shot ("I'm taking my baseball stuff and going home!")? That really gave me hope. But then he showed up at the debate. Now this.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (E5UB0)

43 The moonbats are in a tizzy b/c Indonesia is on fire --- again. Last time this happened they were also slaughtering nuns and little girls who dared to attend school. So, burn away....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (iQIUe)

44 #5 is Discipline Matters

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (fWAjv)

45 Jeb! is dressing up as a school marm tomorrow.

Posted by: wth at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (wAQA5)

46 I would never support a candidate who has ever had a thought that I disagree with. Except for {fill in the blank}, whom I will fight for to the death.

Posted by: Internet Commenting at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (VAsIq)

47 when you're knocking voters (even if the knock has truth to it) it's a sign you're failing

His campaign is knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's doooooooooooor

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2015 07:44 AM (GMG6W)

48 Will you stop panicking? Every new ocean liner takes on a bit of salt water and gets tilty when it first sails. Jeb! 2016: Next Guy Who Says "Lifeboats" Is Fired.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 07:45 AM (hLRSq)

49 I like to think of my misplaced optimism as whistling past the graveyard.

Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 07:45 AM (Jj/2n)

50 According to the debate, he stupidly paid taxes by raiding a retirement account. Posted by: SH at October 30, 2015 12:43 PM (gmeXX) True. I was pointing out that Jeb! is using the Harry Reid style of attack. Just lie.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 07:45 AM (fWAjv)

51 I hope he sticks around because I want to see how low he can go. If he quits now, the Bushes can hem and haw and say "We did it to stop Trump" or "the field was just too crowded." No. I want this political dynasty humiliated and ended superlatively.

Posted by: Naes at October 30, 2015 07:46 AM (Ypc8j)

52 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 30, 2015 07:46 AM (3DnH6)

53 Who was trying to sell us on the notion Jebby was the "smart brother"???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2015 07:46 AM (so+oy)

54
Search: "Pennsylvania"

Just one mention on a slide of the states where they have volunteers.

Just one word.

Know someone who will be heartbroken.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 07:46 AM (kdS6q)

55 I would never support a candidate who has ever had a thought that I disagree with. Except for {fill in the blank}, whom I will fight for to the death.

Posted by: Internet Commenting


Mind blown.

Could we have your first name so that future generations know what to name their encephalitic offspring?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 07:46 AM (JmGFJ)

56 Sounds like the Head Ewok might have some competition for digging through Rubio's trash.

Posted by: pookysgirl at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (K27gs)

57 It's gone from simply embarrassing to outright....dude, wtf is wrong with you

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (0LHZx)

58 32 I'm assuming that their '5 things' didn't stop at four. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 12:41 PM (oVJmc) Five is right out.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (2Ojst)

59 It's red wine with paste, right?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (oVJmc)

60 .....votes have S.O.B. sick of Bushes

Posted by: brak at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (xwPSp)

61 I'm inspired to not vote for heb.

Posted by: Eromero at October 30, 2015 07:47 AM (b+df9)

62 So, um, whose leg is Yeb!'s hand on? Hope it's one of his kids or at least a relative. More Halloween spookinessism.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (LUgeY)

63 I will never understand why he thought it was a good idea at this time in our nations history to start his campaign by hammering a huge portion of the Republican base over illegal immigration. It's like shooting yourself in the nuts with a nail guy right before you start a marathon. What did he think was going to happen?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (/tuJf)

64 Jeb is a disaster and I don't care how Pauline Kael this sounds, I don't know a single person who is excited about or voting for Jeb. His own mother doesn't want him to be President, why the hell would want to is beyond me, unless your a scum sucking consultant or crony that is.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (XfkLr)

65 Then again, I dont see Rubio doing so much better than Jeb. So where are the calls for Rubio to drop out?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (UBu5m)

66 Jeb walks into his living room. "What are you all doing here?" "It's an intervention, Jeb." "But you're my donors." "Exactly."

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (Xd2w5)

67 when you're knocking voters (even if the knock has truth to it) it's a sign you're failing
His campaign is knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's doooooooooooor


Knock, knock!
Who's there?
Jeb's campaign.
Jeb's Campaign who?
*urk* *thud*

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (4WhSY)

68 Don't be distracted by a little flame and smoke. http://tinyurl.com/p4m2jsm

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (8ZskC)

69 So.. how does that Draft Mitt! movement sound to y'all right about now?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2015 07:48 AM (so+oy)

70 Jeb is mistaken. Only 42% of voters have ADD.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (XItbt)

71 66 Jeb walks into his living room. "What are you all doing here?" "It's an intervention, Jeb." "But you're my donors." "Exactly." Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 12:48 PM (Xd2w5) Heh. "Jeb. Your behavior has affected us negatively in the following ways."

Posted by: Insomniac at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (2Ojst)

72 I hope he bows out just so we don't have to listen to the Trump people call anyone who doesn't like Trump a Jeb! supporter, course they'll probably just start saying they're Rubio supporters if you dare not acquiesce to the king of comb overs.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (5LHtI)

73 Honest Jeb!'s 5 things you need to know: 1. I'm the establishment candidate therefore the press is on our side until the general. 2. Race will remain fluid for some time because our base are idiots. 3. You need a career politician running things, not these crazy anti-establishment types. 4. The donor class matters.

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (KUaJL)

74 So, at Thanksgiving is Jeb going to have to sit at the kid's table while Sr. and W. eat at the regular one?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (LA7Cm)

75 Much like Hellary, Jeb won't be dead-dead until he's dead.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (kKHcp)

76 So, um, whose leg is Yeb!'s hand on?

Are these his black hands?

http://tinyurl.com/o7plzc6

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (oVJmc)

77 No first term senator's?

Screw that, no Irish!

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at October 30, 2015 07:49 AM (F26eZ)

78 32 I'm assuming that their '5 things' didn't stop at four. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 12:41 PM (oVJmc) ____________ I'm not sure where the problem is

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (0LHZx)

79 I suggest he start calling himself "Je Bu" so people don't get bored in the middle. Pedro Cerrano hardest hit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (LUgeY)

80 An elderly gentleman came into the library I work at last week all fired up and wanting to volunteer for Jeb's campaign. Seriously. He said he was the only sane one.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (VAsIq)

81 Maybe... Drew's longstanding prediction that Jeb would win is wrong. I certainly see Drew shifting his attacks to the New Half-Built Death Star (Marco Rubio). ------ Drew needs the GOPe to have someone in the race, he needs that GOPe candidate up there on the wall. And you, Ace need Drew to have that GOPe else you may have to start getting up before the crack of noon!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (hLRSq)

82 I assume that Karl Rove is fully in El Jeb's camp? If so, that might incline me to cheer, for this match only, for Rubio, who is otherwise a dangerous little fraud who should not be anywhere near the Oval Office.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (yvwr7)

83 Any of you others' computers locking up on firefox or pale moon with the hq?

Posted by: Eromero at October 30, 2015 07:50 AM (b+df9)

84 Whatever you do, don't look up Marco's Thermal Exhaust Port in the Urban Dictionary.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 07:51 AM (mvenn)

85
A. D. D.  -  All Donors Doubtful

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2015 07:51 AM (ODxAs)

86 Scandal-TARRED?!?

Jeb! you racist!

Posted by: MP at October 30, 2015 07:51 AM (GBGXb)

87 72 I hope he bows out just so we don't have to listen to the Trump people call anyone who doesn't like Trump a Jeb! supporter, course they'll probably just start saying they're Rubio supporters if you dare not acquiesce to the king of comb overs. Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 30, 2015 12:49 PM (5LHtI) _________ Irony alert...the same progs who went apeshit when Trump made fun of Carlyta's face have no qualms making fun of Trump's hair.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 07:52 AM (0LHZx)

88 #5. Uhh.. uhhh.. gimme a minute.. I know there was a number 5.. uhhh.. Ooops!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2015 07:52 AM (so+oy)

89 Screw that, no Irish! ***** Hey, now! Hey, now!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 07:52 AM (mvenn)

90 Any of you others' computers locking up on firefox or pale moon with the hq?

Posted by: Eromero



FF, no.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 07:52 AM (JmGFJ)

91 " An elderly gentleman came into the library " Someone should get him to a doctor. Possible early sign of dementia.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 30, 2015 07:52 AM (LA7Cm)

92 "But you're my donors."

"Exactly." Posted by: AmishDude

**shifty eyes
**cough**were**cough**

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (GMG6W)

93 Jeb was doomed before it started. The only way Jeb could have won would have been a 2012 type primary where the only alternative would have been crash and burn type candidates. And even then, I would probably pick crash and burn over Jeb Bush. Jeb had an opening in 2012, but regardless of his ideology, the guy is a piss-poor retail politician. I'm amazed he got as far as he did in politics in a purple state like Florida. All he had was a Rolodex.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (I4PQV)

94 The worst part of this disaster is the amount of money wasted on his campaign that could have been used in the general against Hillary. Stupid party gotta stupid, I guess.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (0LHZx)

95 Isn't it telling that he's attacking Rubio? Rubio's not even the frontrunner. Yes, I know Trump is deflating (and Trump's candidacy depends on him winning) and Carson won't survive scrutiny but if Jeb! is attacking the one guy who's closest to him both personally and politically, he looks pathetic. Because it's all about donors. Jeb! donors already had to decide between Jeb! and Rubio, they're very likely to jump at any moment.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (Xd2w5)

96 Hopefully, El Jeb goes full dirty on Marco, and vice versa, and they are both too ruined by the process to ever hold elective office again.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (yvwr7)

97 @69 Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh . . . wait. You're not serious, are you?

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (Nj2wY)

98

Jeb Memo: Current Poll News Doesn't Matter, Because Voters Have A.D.D.

 

Prolly already been said, but - yeah, Juan Ellis, most voters do have ADD.

 

But the base you're so determined to screw like a five-buck Tijuana whore?  Memories like an elephant.  And hearts like alligators.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (X6fMO)

99 Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 12:52 PM (0LHZx) Because Carly chooses to sculpt her face into a hideous mockery of faces. Yes.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (VAsIq)

100 Hey, now! Hey, now!
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Sorry, got carried away again.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2015 07:53 AM (4WhSY)

101 MOAR BOOOOOSH!!!!

Posted by: Nobody in All of America at October 30, 2015 07:54 AM (8ZskC)

102 What are the Fundamentals that matter, Jeb? That you're a cocksucker and the GOP voters (even RINOs) are pretty much united in not wanting you?

Posted by: Naes at October 30, 2015 07:54 AM (Ypc8j)

103 Jeb needs to get a midget with a broom to campaign with him. Works every time.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 07:54 AM (/tuJf)

104 Jeb never had any hope of winning anyone's votes. He was a media creation. Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter? I certainly dont.

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarianj at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (DKjhy)

105
You know, that PP is worth a download just to see some numbers.

!Jeb! says his team has has $33 million in advanced media buys thru the end of Feb 2016. (p 53)

Man, if those are hard buys, he would lose a fortune in cancellation fees.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (kdS6q)

106 112 page PDF?! What is it, a bunch of timecube.com rambling?

Posted by: [/i]Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (k9qR4)

107 >>An elderly gentleman came into the library I work at last week all fired up and wanting to volunteer for Jeb's campaign. Seriously. He said he was the only sane one. Posted by: Turd Ferguson Did the tranquilizer gun make a whoosing sound as the people from the home recaptured him?

Posted by: Aviator at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (c7vUv)

108 20 >>>No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. this argument means dick to me. Obama, whether you're willing to admit it or not, did transform this country. He transformed it in a way you don't like, but he did it. So the idea that a Senator can't push his vision through is just wrong. Obama is a monster because his thoughts are rank and hateful, not because he was just a one-term senator. Posted by: Mike Tyson, Erotic Novelist at October 30, 2015 12:40 PM (dciA+) Awfully articulate there Mr. Tyson. And not at all sexy.

Posted by: Ted at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (zt+N6)

109 "It's an intervention, Jeb." **** Good afternoon. My name is ¡Jeb!, and I'm a donorholic.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 07:55 AM (mvenn)

110 Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter? Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarianj Yes.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 30, 2015 07:56 AM (VAsIq)

111 I'm exercising the white privilege that most Americans refuse to exercise.

Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 07:56 AM (Jj/2n)

112 I, for one, believe the GOP candidates would be better served to avoid the 'debates' carried by major media outlets, and instead go on the speaking circuit, making speeches to anyone who will listen. Followed by question and answer sessions taking questions from the audience.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 30, 2015 07:56 AM (SVgA/)

113 Jeb was only favored by the people who thought they could own him like his brother and father.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:56 AM (oVJmc)

114 My favorite Jeb moment:  Explaining the wonderment of Common Core to an audience of evangelicals, many of whom home-school their kids in order to keep them out of the reach of Big Teacher.   0_0

Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (dFi94)

115 Then again, I dont see Rubio doing so much better than Jeb. So where are the calls for Rubio to drop out? Because Jeb! has no upside. He's a known quantity, his numbers can only go down as people get to know him. Rubio is not well-known and so his numbers can go up. I think that for the sake of the Republican party, Jeb! must get out. Once he suspends his campaign (gets out) there will be an enormous sigh of relief.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (Xd2w5)

116 Maybe if I grew a moustache!  People might for get who I was.  You know, "Hey,  who's the new guy?"  Something like that.  I dunno...

Posted by: Jeb! at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (2oWD2)

117 I am !Jeb!

Posted by: Flop Sweat at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (1ppmx)

118
Oops -- missed a row.  That's $33 million for his pac, and $7 million for his campaign.  40 large total.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (kdS6q)

119 What a puthy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (oVJmc)

120 What are the Fundamentals that matter, Jeb? My last name, prole. Now give me cash or shut up.

Posted by: Jeb! the Inevitable at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (k9qR4)

121 I haven't ever seen someone with a Jeb bumper sticker on their car. Carson and Trump yes, Jeb no.

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (DKjhy)

122 Jeb was only favored by the people who thought they could own him like his brother and father. And they are legion, although probably not as many as teh Hildabeast has.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2015 07:57 AM (LUgeY)

123 69 So.. how does that Draft Mitt! movement sound to y'all right about now? My, the GOPe has a deep bench, doesn't it?

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 30, 2015 07:58 AM (yvwr7)

124 Jeb was only favored by the people who thought they could own him like his brother and father. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel _______________________ That's really what this is all about. You're surrounded by people that live off the dynasty, and nobody will tell him otherwise that it's his turn. Except his own mother.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 07:58 AM (I4PQV)

125 My favorite Jeb moment: Explaining the wonderment of Common Core to an audience of evangelicals, many of whom home-school their kids in order to keep them out of the reach of Big Teacher. 0_0 I follow a couple of the candidates. Rubio has had a couple of anti-Common Core tweets recently. And there's no equivocation there.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 07:58 AM (Xd2w5)

126 Still, probably won't help him to say, and when you're knocking voters (even if the knock has truth to it) it's a sign you're failing. You can't insult your voters. Unless you're Trump. He basically told Iowans that if they don't vote for him it will be bad for them, not him. I have profoundly hated Trump for more than three decades but right now he is annoying me by doing everything right.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (JtwS4)

127 I, for one, believe the GOP candidates would be better served to avoid the 'debates' carried by major media outlets, and instead go on the speaking circuit, making speeches to anyone who will listen. Followed by question and answer sessions taking questions from the audience.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 30, 2015 12:56 PM (SVgA/)

=====================================


How big of a crowd do you think Jeb would draw?  I sure wouldn't give up a Saturday afternoon to go stand out in the cold to hear him yammer on and on.


Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (dFi94)

128 /off partial sock.

Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (zt+N6)

129 GHW Bush gave us "read my lips" and the predatory attorney ADA fallout. W created a cabinet department where none was needed Homeland Security. I don't care to see whats up Jebs sleeve.

Posted by: DM at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (B0FBF)

130 so we went from a nood hillary to a nood jeb. Worst. Friday. Ever.

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (KUaJL)

131 Jeb needs to get a midget with a broom to campaign with him. Works every time. **** "Sweep the leg, Herve!"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (mvenn)

132 " . . . simply declaring Bush dead so frequently that the two words become roughly synonymous.' Imagine what could be done for Hillary . . . + LIAR + CHEATER + TRAITOR, etc.

Posted by: ouch at October 30, 2015 07:59 AM (40IrJ)

133

An elderly gentleman came into the library I work at last week all fired up and wanting to volunteer for Jeb's campaign. Seriously. He said he was the only sane one.

 

I didn't think Harold Stassen was still alive.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 30, 2015 08:00 AM (X6fMO)

134 I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb ran third party if Trump is the nominee.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2015 08:00 AM (8HTq1)

135 The premise that Jeb! was likely seems sound. His name recognition, position and attraction to the GOPe and the donor base meshed with Romney. I think that the number and depth of the field this year surprised everyone. Trump is beating everyone in name recognition and the media. We the base are far more disgusted by the Booooooosh brand than most, and we're more aware than most that the dems will roar the boooosh hatred into life when convenient. And Jeb! simply isn't very good this time. Rick Perry didn't fare well either time, and he's got a far better record, outlook and name.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 08:00 AM (326rv)

136 Jeb Bush is the Chelsea Clinton of Republican politics.

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 30, 2015 08:00 AM (DKjhy)

137 So Marco Rubio doesn't pay taxes?>>>

If he only had a Charitable foundation that would buy Planes, Boats... He wouldn't have to deal with these questions.

Posted by: Hillary at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (wrS2o)

138 "Fundamentals": 1. Pasty white compexion 2. General aura of exasperated entitlement 3. The platinum BUSH branding 4. Stage presence suggestive of an intriguing ennui 5. Pathological Latinophile obsession 6. Charming story about how he met his wife

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (8ZskC)

139 I don't care to see whats up Jebs sleeve. Posted by: DM Nothing but the stench of desperation! Vote for me! PLEASE!

Posted by: Jeb at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (VAsIq)

140 How big of a crowd do you think Jeb would draw? I sure wouldn't give up a Saturday afternoon to go stand out in the cold to hear him yammer on and on. I wouldn't bother to get out of bed if he was speaking in my living room. And I can say that for virtually any pol.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (LUgeY)

141 Jeb Bush is the Chelsea Clinton of Republican politics. Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian

Shit, man.  Even for here,  that's harsh.

Posted by: Jeb! at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (2oWD2)

142 134 I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb ran third party if Trump is the nominee. Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2015 01:00 PM (8HTq1) *Fap fap fap fap fap*

Posted by: Bill Kristol at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (zt+N6)

143 Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter? I certainly dont. Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarianj at October 30, 2015 12:55 PM (DKjhy) My informants have told me that Jeb! has a very distinct mark on the back of his neck. After repeated analysis with some of the finest scientific equipment available in the office breakroom, I have determined that it reads "Created By AoSHQ For Click-Bait Purposes Only". Right now some of our crack augurs, diviners, and seers - the cream of the homeless shelter - are in conference to determine what this means.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 08:01 AM (hLRSq)

144 When you have lost RINO Noonan you are toast.



How tone death is this idiot?

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (jJRIy)

145 Maybe if I grew a moustache! People might for get who I was. You know, "Hey, who's the new guy?" Something like that. I dunno... **** Rick Perry's eyeglasses?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (mvenn)

146 I've always said Jeb! would be happier as Hillary!'s running mate. Now, he's doing oppo research on the likely GOP Veep candidate and leaking it to the press. What further confirmation do we need?

Posted by: MTF at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (TxJGV)

147 Remember the time that GOPers are always nastier to their own than to Dems?

Posted by: Lauren at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (bYGAR)

148
Still shifting

!Jeb!'s goal for Iowa is 18% of the vote. Currently polling at 6%.

Good luck on that metric.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (kdS6q)

149 I knew I felt something wicked in the air.  I thought it was Halloween but I just heard Hillary is in Atlanta talking at some black college about how racist America is and she is going to fix it. 

She really is evil and her supporters are like the minions of Sauron.  All they have is burning hate of  their enemies.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (1BQGO)

150 Have I told you guys yet how I met my wife?

Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 08:02 AM (Jj/2n)

151 I thought Hound of the Baskervilles was going to be short. I'm on Chapter 2. It has 14 chapters. That seems like way to many to read at my desk by whenever the book thread starts.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at October 30, 2015 08:03 AM (JtwS4)

152 My favorite Jeb moment: Explaining the wonderment of Common Core to an audience of evangelicals, many of whom home-school their kids in order to keep them out of the reach of Big Teacher. 0_0 It's this sort of contempt, overconfidence and casual malice that got me where I am today. keep up the good work, and don't let the peasants get you down!

Posted by: Sen. Mikey Castle (R- DE) at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (326rv)

153 Jeb will be the turd in the GOP punch bowl if he takes down Rubio over donors.

Posted by: ryukyu at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (OM0RC)

154 "Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter"

Well, me for one!

Posted by: Hillary! at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (1BQGO)

155 OK Halloweenies, I gotta go do stuff. Y'all try and behave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy [/i][/s][/b][/u] at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (LUgeY)

156 >>Rick Perry didn't fare well either time, and he's got a far better record, outlook and name. Actually, Jeb's financial record in FL was pretty good. Lots of job growth, personal incomes went way up and he cut government spending pretty significantly. I think 2 things killed him. One was his insistence on running against the activist part of the party on illegal immigration which was just plain idiotic. And two is the zeitgeist. The two guys who ware currently taking almost 50% of the vote in early polls aren't pols and in at least one case, not necessarily even a Republican. Bush is the ultimate establishment candidate at a time when that has never been a less popular place to be.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (/tuJf)

157 !Jeb!'s goal for Iowa is 18% of the vote. Currently polling at 6%. He will not break 10%.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 08:04 AM (Xd2w5)

158 Posted by: Bandersnatch

(Psst.  Just watch the movie, bro.)

Posted by: Dang at October 30, 2015 08:05 AM (2oWD2)

159 My take is that we were told this race was Jeb's to lose and he's doing his best to prove that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at October 30, 2015 08:05 AM (mf5HN)

160 "I certainly see Drew shifting his attacks to the New Half-Built Death Star (Marco Rubio)."

Now witness the firepower of this FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL mass amnesty plan!!!

Posted by: Emperor Rubatine at October 30, 2015 08:05 AM (noWW6)

161 Looking ahead to the general election, who could best The Dread Queen in a debate without looking like they were picking on an old lady? Cruz is the only one who could courteously debate and disagree without looking like a chump. See Ryan v Biden. There are YouTube videos of Cruz taking on all comers, patiently and politely, but getting his points across. Yeb and Dondi would just lay down and effectively say 'spank me mommy' rather than articulate a viewpoint.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 30, 2015 08:05 AM (MIKMs)

162

Cicero @138, hilarious, spot on.

 

Nip, your (or spell-check's) small error there is perfect:  "tone death".  LOL.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at October 30, 2015 08:05 AM (QDnY+)

163 Have I told you guys yet how I met my wife?
Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 01:02 PM


I think we've seen this show before...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (KrAjA)

164 Noonan dropped the hammer on Jeb today. For the Establishment, when you've lost good old Peggy, it's over. And Ace you should get some "people". Like when one of us asks where you are, the response can be "Ace's people confirm that he's on his way to the blog."

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (4ErVI)

165 Eh, Jeb's toast. Love "The voters have A.D.D." Couldn't they come up with something a little less derisive of the people he needs to win? Speaks to Jeb's overall attitude, I suppose.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (NOIQH)

166
(p 77)

NOTABLE ENDORSEMENTS

Senator Susan Collins(ME)

Land Commissioner George P. Bush (TX)

Are you f'cking kidding?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (kdS6q)

167 Does it really matter who gets nominated? The press will destroy them utterly.

Posted by: Max Power at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (q177U)

168 With Jeb, it's the "Hound that didn't bark" that most matters. In this case, the other GOP candidates never talk about him. Only Trump does, and he's sort of a cranky third party guy (though I forever fully grateful to him for exposing the GOP in this primary). In any event, no one seems to think Jeb is doing anything more than taking up space on the stage at this point. His rivals aren't worried about him.

Posted by: MTF at October 30, 2015 08:06 AM (TxJGV)

169 You know you're in trouble when a poof named Lindsey has more stamina than you.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 30, 2015 08:07 AM (4nmNX)

170 Can't for the "We can't win without McCain...uh, Romney...uh, Jeb" crowd to show up here. Got beat those crazy conservatives in to shape. Good Lord, if it weren't for the slow miserable death from cirrhosis and pancreatic cancer, there wouldn't be enough Val-U-Rite on the planet to deal with this. No effing way I'm voting for Jeb!... No effing way!

Posted by: Commissar M at October 30, 2015 08:07 AM (Xx2PC)

171 "How big a crowd. . ." yabut All the think tanks, all the academics, all the non profits, all the political organizations, all those opinion shape shifters, all those very important people who go to ted talks, and climate change, and community organizing, and all the activists special interest groups any politician who wants vote would pander to, all those social - community - special interest groups, membership organizations. All those people

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 30, 2015 08:07 AM (SVgA/)

172 I wouldn't bother to get out of bed if he was speaking in my living room. ***** Can I sleep on your couch? /¡Jeb!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (mvenn)

173 149 I knew I felt something wicked in the air. I thought it was Halloween but I just heard Hillary is in Atlanta talking at some black college about how racist America is and she is going to fix it. She really is evil and her supporters are like the minions of Sauron. All they have is burning hate of their enemies. Yeah, I read She wants to change the laws regarding crack cocaine... Said it would help Black Families... WTF?

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (/dSsq)

174 >>>No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2015 12:37 PM (tM4uk)>>> If rather go with: no more Senators, but if a Senator you must, only first term Senators. Who the heck wants a career DC pol as President? I understand that we are trying to exclude Obama here, but looking at the GOP side, the worst of the worst seem to be career DC pols.

Posted by: gm at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (ZvWUP)

175

Death Helmet @96, nice concept (Yeb! and Rubio mortally wounding each other), but if America were that lucky we wouldn't be where we are today.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (QDnY+)

176 Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter? I certainly dont. Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarianj _________________ I have one Republican friend that was a big Jeb Bush supporter when he threw his hat in the ring, but he really is the type where I would prefer if he just became a Democrat and STFU. He's one of these that's constantly telling me how the Party has become too extreme, and routinely votes for Democrat candidates about half the time.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (I4PQV)

177 I think 2 things killed him. One was his insistence on running against the activist part of the party on illegal immigration which was just plain idiotic. I think that was baked into the cake. It was (a) Common Core and (b) his absolute arrogant condescension toward people who disagree with his stance on immigration or Common Core. He just doesn't disagree or respect the opinion of a large portion of the base, he utterly and completely disdains it. I get it in the case of immigration. That's viewed by many as a moral issue. I don't agree with it, but I get where it comes from. But he will brook no criticism of Common Core. None at all. In his mind, there is no legitimate criticism of it. This would not auger well for a Jeb! presidency.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 08:08 AM (Xd2w5)

178 Jeb really wants to try to move up in the polls by saying "I'm not popular but I have a lot of establishment money"?

He tried to act like Marco's mentor, but then Marco put Jebby over his knee and spanked him, in the debate response.  Rubio has the JFK youthful look, the willingness to sell out the base on amnesty/immigration, and the diversity thing.  Establishment money and Rove would be glad to flip over ... probably already are.

Jeb is dead baby ... Jeb's dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Yp2L6c2KM

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 30, 2015 08:10 AM (1XT+t)

179 If not Jeb! then who?  Anyone know what Duncan Hunter is up to?

Posted by: Dang at October 30, 2015 08:10 AM (2oWD2)

180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2015 08:10 AM (4ErVI)

181 "Obama won two terms and got lots of stuff his base had wanted for years done."

Of course, Obama's party unified behind him as he shoved the country hard left, and of course, the GOP establishment hid in the corner like beaten dogs and made not the smallest pretense of acting like an opposition party.

What do any of us think the odds are that an actual conservative Republican (and wouldn't it be nice to have one of those in the primary race right now?) trying to move the country back firmly rightward would enjoy EITHER ONE of those key advantages?

The GOP establishment would kneecap and betray that President at every turn, and the Democrats, not shy about acting in opposition, would obstruct and sabotage constantly.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (noWW6)

182 "Do any of you know anyone that is a Jeb supporter" No. But, I thought it strange when a couple of lefty turds I work with seemed to automatically assume that I was a Bush supporter. They're responses when I asked why they thought that were along the lines of "well, isn't he a front runner?"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (LA7Cm)

183 Because Jeb! has no upside. He's a known quantity, his numbers can only go down as people get to know him. Rubio is not well-known and so his numbers can go up. I think that for the sake of the Republican party, Jeb! must get out. Once he suspends his campaign (gets out) there will be an enormous sigh of relief. Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2015 12:57 PM (Xd2w5) ______ Ha! Rubios numbers can go as far up as Jebs can go down, but thats also true vice versa. Both of them compete for the same gullible compassionate conservative crowd, which is the only reason why the Rubiobots try so hard to talk Bush out of the race. The establishment has always relied on uniting behind a single candidate.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (UBu5m)

184 >>the worst of the worst seem to be career DC pols. Bingo! Long-time Senators have more in common with their fellow Senators (ALL of them, including scum like Schumer and Ted Kennedy) -- and more respect for them --- than the citizens of this country. They know more things, and they know how things really work, serfs, so just sit back and let them form a gang of X compromise to move things along. So arrogant, so entitled, so damn comfortable with their power and illusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (NOIQH)

185 You know you're in trouble when a poof named Lindsey has more stamina than you. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 30, 2015 01:07 PM

Bob Dole has a fix for that.

Posted by: Bob Dole[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (KrAjA)

186

LDC, thanks - er, I mean "gracias!" - for your mining of the PP presentation.

 

Folks we must take a moment to stop and admit that, at the least, Yeb! has provided good fodder for at least a little dark humor along the way.  Dark humor being about all any grounded, worldy, savvy citizen has left to enjoy in the non-private realm.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at October 30, 2015 08:11 AM (QDnY+)

187 >Rick Perry didn't fare well either time, and he's got a far better record, outlook and name. Actually, Jeb's financial record in FL was pretty good. Lots of job growth, personal incomes went way up and he cut government spending pretty significantly. He's not running on it, and Perry was. this dumbass is running on......what!?! unfettered mass illegal immigration and false charges of xenophobia.

Posted by: Sen. Mikey Castle (R- DE) at October 30, 2015 08:12 AM (326rv)

188
180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions

NBC just lost million$.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 30, 2015 08:12 AM (RcpcZ)

189 >>CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions Good. Show some balls and cancel it already. No suspension to negotiate - you will never win w/NBC.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at October 30, 2015 08:12 AM (NOIQH)

190 Did I miss the brainwashing link? Are we just dumping Trump and Carson and making this a battle between the good foot soldiers of the GOP currently polling at 9, 7, and 4 percent?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:13 AM (xuouz)

191 180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions NBC just lost million$. Maybe they can coax Hillary! into doing it... Another love fest...

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:13 AM (/dSsq)

192 As someone once said, "Money doesn't fight." There's a reason why mercenaries have a bad name.

Posted by: WOPR at October 30, 2015 08:13 AM (LTDSy)

193 He just doesn't disagree or respect the opinion of a large portion of the base, he utterly and completely disdains it. If that's not how you win a primary, then explain how I got where I am? Wait.....shit.

Posted by: Sen. Mikey Castle (R- DE) at October 30, 2015 08:14 AM (326rv)

194 Also, someone might mention to Jeb that all voters are not primary voters.


Except in open states, they will be hard core Republicans.



They won't be voting for another Boosh.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:14 AM (jJRIy)

195 Saw Jeb Bush last night on Hannity.  Jeb is very angry with us--no, seriously:  last night Jeb was downright petulant, highly pissed off that we GOP primary voters are simply too slow to realize that he, Jeb Bush, is simply the best candidate out there, doggone it, and we need to get with the goshdarn program.

Posted by: Zombie Dennis Hopper at October 30, 2015 08:14 AM (UWlp+)

196 Really thinking about getting donut...

Posted by: Dang at October 30, 2015 08:15 AM (2oWD2)

197 Amigos Y Amigas, Together we can still win and give citizenship to 50 million of your family members. SI, SE PUEDE!!

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:15 AM (0LHZx)

198 "She wants to change the laws regarding crack cocaine... Said it would help Black Families... WTF?"

What's left of the black family are far safer with the crackheads off the street.  Maybe Hillary thinks keeping baby daddy's out of jail so than can visit their kids twice a year?  I doubt she has thought it through or even cares about black families. Just another  Dem talking point to get their votes.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 30, 2015 08:15 AM (1BQGO)

199 Look out Jeb! It's Marco Rubio and his luxury speedboat! He's coming for you!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 08:15 AM (hLRSq)

200 Don't you people realize that ¡Jeb! has better things to do?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 08:15 AM (mvenn)

201 >>Of course, Obama's party unified behind him as he shoved the country hard left, and of course, the GOP establishment hid in the corner like beaten dogs and made not the smallest pretense of acting like an opposition party. I know that is a popular position but its not entirely true. Republicans of all stripes fought like hell against Obamacare and were it not for bribery and bending of the rules it never would have passed despite the Dems having both Houses. Had Republicans controlled even one of the Houses back then there would be no Obamacare. The House has voted nearly 50 times since to get rid of Obamacare and I absolutely believe that had Romney won last cycle it would be gone by now, either through waivers or after the Republicans took back the Senate.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (/tuJf)

202 Off Dennis Hopper sock.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (UWlp+)

203 Yeah, I read She wants to change the laws regarding crack cocaine... Said it would help Black Families... WTF? Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 01:08 PM (/dSsq) Now THAT is how you pander!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (fWAjv)

204 "2 - Race will remain fluid for some time because ... voters have A.D.D." The author has my pity for crafting that sentence. Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 30, 2015 12:41 PM (JmGFJ) I read that at first as race in the biological sense.

Posted by: WOPR at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (LTDSy)

205 The press will be MORE nakedly biased in favor of Hillary than they were for Obama precisely because she is less elctable/likable. They are going to work twice as hard to destroy her opponent.

Posted by: Max Power at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (q177U)

206 Don't you people realize that ¡Jeb! has better things to do? So Jeb! just go away and do them...

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:16 AM (/dSsq)

207 188
180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions

NBC just lost million$.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 30, 2015 01:12 PM (RcpcZ)



GOOD.  That was the stupid debate co sponsored by Telemunto going to be held at U of Houston.


What was the RNC thinking?  Idiots

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:17 AM (jJRIy)

208 Usually the Establishment case can be made over electability concerns, but Jeb is completely unelectable. So the whole house of cards falls down. People instinctively know Dubya's brother loses and loses badly in a general election. Now Rubio can make that case, say what you want about the guy and his ideology, but he's got a shitload of talent and the only Republican Hillary is now spending money on with her Super Pac to run against. is Rubio for his "mansplaining".

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:17 AM (I4PQV)

209 How's 'bout Marco and I settle this with a speedboat race?  That would be cool,  right?  *underlings stare uncomfortably at each other, Jeb! resumes pacing in his pajamas*

Posted by: Jeb! at October 30, 2015 08:17 AM (2oWD2)

210
(p 97)

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We have a truly cross channel, cross browser effort that allows us to serve an ad to a target of ours on their desktop at work, and then to their iPad as they watch TV at night.



"Get out of my head!!!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:18 AM (kdS6q)

211 The House has voted nearly 50 times since to get rid of Obamacare and I absolutely believe that had Romney won last cycle it would be gone by now, either through waivers or after the Republicans took back the Senate. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 01:16 PM (/tuJf) _________ You're dreaming. Don't you remember in the week preceding the Obamacare SCOTUS case, House GOP leaders were getting ready to vote on a bill that would have kept subsidies for people who would have lost their freebies if John "it's a tax" Roberts had voted the other way? You could have 75 senate seats and a GOP prezzie and Obamacare is never going away.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:19 AM (0LHZx)

212 For some reason, I have it in my head that Neil Bush (brother?) made his money on textbooks. Anybody else paying big $ on changing/updating textbooks -- especially to comply with Common Core? Big money in textbooks that I do not think LIVs understand or know about.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 30, 2015 08:19 AM (MIKMs)

213 The press will be MORE nakedly biased in favor of Hillary than they were for Obama precisely because she is less elctable/likable. They are going to work twice as hard to destroy her opponent. Posted by: Max Power ____________ yep, and we saw a dry run at CNBC and they completely overshot. It's simply to over the top and I think it will backfire and rile up our base, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:19 AM (I4PQV)

214 Yeah, I read She wants to change the laws regarding crack cocaine... Said it would help Black Families... WTF? Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 01:08 PM (/dSsq) Now THAT is how you pander! Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 01:16 PM (fWAjv) Was she using an accent? If you're going to go, go all the way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 30, 2015 08:19 AM (493sH)

215
Nip, your (or spell-check's) small error there is perfect: "tone death". LOL.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 30, 2015 01:05 PM (QDnY+)


Ha Ha, I do that dumb shit often, but in this case so true.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (jJRIy)

216 Somewhere I read that Eric Cantor is heading up Jeb!'s Virginia campaign. Very subtle moves like that are why his people get paid the big bucks, I guess.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (GzDYP)

217 What was the RNC thinking? Idiots Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 01:17 PM (jJRIy) ___________ Stupid party, gotta stupid yo!

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (0LHZx)

218 Was she using an accent? If you're going to go, go all the way Don't know. I can't stand to listen to that Hag...

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (/dSsq)

219 180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions They should hold the debate on you tube and let someone not prone to attention whoring moderate, problem is finding someone not prone to attention whoring, Hugh Hewitt is the only person that comes to mind.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (5LHtI)

220

Though it's the definition of an academic point in a dumbed-down public square, and to somewhat echo torque's comment, Obama "achieved" almost everything he did by pushing - or even stumbling - through an open door.

 

The idiot (and he is as devoid of talent or savvy as he seems) didn't even know what "his" party's long-standing health insurance jihad was really about, and some of you commenters were more involved in the actual congressional process to "craft" the unconstitutional unworkable POS than his WH was.  He just rubber-stamped whatever Congress would send him.

 

As with almost everything else in the "transformation" - Obama was a symptom and final enabler, but hardly the author or key player.  Name any significant area of public policy, he's a bystander or simply accepting whatever comes to him.  As noted by others, the GOP simply disappeared as an opposition, in any historically normal sense.

 

But then again there's hardly anything that's really "transformational" in what's happened in the last few years that started in the WH.  The SCOTUS' final transformation into a rogue unaccountable legislature for dummies started long ago, and was completed by a GOP appointee.   The corrosion of the civic culture is what produced an absurd figure like Obama, it's not something he created.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (QDnY+)

221 180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions NBC just lost million$. Posted by: Ed Anger Like I said before you dumbaasses, you had the power to go home the entire frickin' time. But noooooo, you decided to screw off with refugees from the sideshow and roll around in a poppy field.

Posted by: Glenda the good witch at October 30, 2015 08:20 AM (326rv)

222 problem is finding someone not prone to attention whoring, Hugh Hewitt is the only person that comes to mind. Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 30, 2015 01:20 PM (5LHtI) _____ lol Thats sarcasm, right?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (UBu5m)

223 6 There's an easier argument against Rubio (although it sideswipes Cruz and Paul too). No more first term senators. Period. Full stop. Not one more. Jindal is making that argument and I think it's far more swaying that Bush's petty attacks which seem to follow the same line broadly but get lost in the execution. Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2015 12:37 PM (tM4uk) ---------------------- I got an even better argument. No more career politicians.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (LXJ1e)

224 Land Commissioner George P. Bush (TX) Are you f'cking kidding? Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 01:06 PM (kdS6q) George P. Bush is his son. He kind of has to put that on there. Like. A really lot. I was talking to Bander last night about the fact that while I would not vote for any more Bushes (I'll just sit here for a moment whilst you scamps get the hardwood jokes out of the way), I respect the fact that George P. Bush is trying to work his way up the ladder the old fashioned way. Decentish county role State senator/represenative Congressman Senator President You can substitute governor for Senator. As I said, I'm anti-dynasty but kudos for him for not going right for vote me into Congress because I'm a Bush.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (mf5HN)

225 That guy they held in Gitmo for 12 years who is saudi and bff with OBL has been shipped back to the UK. If they had any balls they would deport him back to SA but they wont.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (iQIUe)

226 So are you saying that Bush is done?

Posted by: f'd at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (MIq3l)

227 Jeb. Walk off into the sunset. Just go away. Thats as polite as I can be.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 30, 2015 08:22 AM (mxCgt)

228 214 Yeah, I read She wants to change the laws regarding crack cocaine... Said it would help Black Families... WTF?

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 01:08 PM (/dSsq)

She means the ones that get caught, not the one's selling it.  You make a lot more money off crack that powder coke.



You cook coke with baking soda and it gets stronger and turns into crack.  You can sell small crack rocks for a hell of a lot more  money than a oz of coke.




I read about this, and that's my story and I am sticking to it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:23 AM (jJRIy)

229 Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 12:40 PM (/tuJf) Obama did get a lot accomplished via rogue executive power grabs. But he also left a lot of foreign policy simply mishandled. Rubio could knock the domestic stuff out of the park, but frankly, with his limited experience, we'll still see the world fall apart around us.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2015 08:23 AM (tM4uk)

230 The House has voted nearly 50 times since to get rid of Obamacare and I absolutely believe that had Romney won last cycle it would be gone by now, either through waivers or after the Republicans took back the Senate. Posted by: JackStraw ____________ I actually agree with this. Not over principles or anything, ObamaCare is simply unpopular and most want it gone. Some of it would stay, but there would be waivers and such that would at least be a shit ton better than what we have now. My premiums are going to skyrocket, thankfully my current plan is being grandfathered in for about one more year before I get thrown to the wolves. As a small business owner, I may go into one of the Health Care Ministry type plans as I'm not about to shell out a a mortgage payment for my health insurance that then have a $5,500 deductible where I pay for everything out of pocket anyway.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:23 AM (I4PQV)

231 180 CNN: GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions

NBC just lost million$.

Posted by: Ed Anger


Bigger question: is that going to apply to the Univisionarionoticiasiestareio debate?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 08:23 AM (JmGFJ)

232 Voters may have A.D.D. but they can a-d-d up the poll numbers and see that Bush is little more than a fringe vanity candidate.

Posted by: zombie at October 30, 2015 08:24 AM (jBuUi)

233
I remain the best choice for republican voters, and have demonstrated my ability to cross the aisle and acquiesce to democrat demands and advance the democrat agenda to keep myself in office. 

Posted by: John Kaysick at October 30, 2015 08:25 AM (OiFtZ)

234 224 *types* *deletes* *types* *deletes*

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2015 08:25 AM (KUaJL)

235 >> Bigger question: is that going to apply to the >> Univisionarionoticiasiestareio debate? Yes, apparently it does, the Priebus letter specifically says they will be doing that debate with National Review somehow but no NBC arm.

Posted by: JEM at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (o+SC1)

236 Bigger question: is that going to apply to the Univisionarionoticiasiestareio debate?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 30, 2015 01:23 PM (JmGFJ)



That is that debate and it's telemundo, not univision.   Debate schedule.



http://tinyurl.com/o5hjcf5

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (jJRIy)

237 . . . I respect the fact that George P. Bush is trying to work his way up the ladder the old fashioned way. Decentish county role State senator/represenative Congressman Senator President You can substitute governor for Senator. (AtC) _____ Yeah, the old Roman Empire 'cursus honorem' or something like that.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (MIKMs)

238 They are going to work twice as hard to destroy her opponent. Posted by: Max Power at October 30, 2015 01:16 PM (q177U) Yeah, CNBC tried that the other night. That's why they're all walking kind of funny over there. I think Barack was a labor of love for the media with all that entails in selfless sacrifice. Hillary will be more of a dreary duty where the time will be put in and the motions gone through and that is it. Next year I predict that there is going to be an undercover war between Hillary's most fanatical supporters and the rest of the Left with the Hill-bots snarling at those who are not showing the proper enthusiasm. If Hillary loses the Left is going to engage in an orgy of recriminations and bloody-handed revenge that's going to make the GOPe - Conservative fight look like a tempest in a teacup.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (hLRSq)

239 "The press will be MORE nakedly biased in favor of Hillary than they were for Obama precisely because she is less electable/likable."

Not that I disagree with your premise but I'm just wondering if that would be even be possible. 

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (1BQGO)

240 The polls still don't matter much, but the burn rate does. If Jeb can somehow continue to pull in donors he might survive this period, but ideally four or five current candidates won't make it through November.

Posted by: TallDave at October 30, 2015 08:26 AM (/s1LA)

241 I remain the best choice for republican voters, and have demonstrated my ability to cross the aisle and acquiesce to democrat demands and advance the democrat agenda to keep myself in office. Posted by: John Kaysick Did I fail to mention the brand spanking new revenue stream (fracking taxes) that I'm milking for all their worth?

Posted by: Gov. John Katshitt at October 30, 2015 08:27 AM (326rv)

242 >>Don't you remember in the week preceding the Obamacare SCOTUS case, House GOP leaders were getting ready to vote on a bill that would have kept subsidies for people who would have lost their freebies if John "it's a tax" Roberts had voted the other way? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? It never ceases to amaze me that despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary some of you still think the country is in our camp and only cares about how much we fuck up Obama and the left. If the SC had pulled the plug on the Obamacare subsidies there would have been chaos in the insurance industry and with getting medical coverage if a temporary stopgap wasn't put in. Do you honestly think the public would have rewarded Republicans for cratering Obamacare with no plan how to unwind it? Sure, you run with that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 08:27 AM (/tuJf)

243 BTW one of them might be Hillary Clinton. People in the media are acting like she couldn't possibly be charged, but the FBI is sometimes surprisingly immune to politics.

Posted by: TallDave at October 30, 2015 08:28 AM (/s1LA)

244 >>>>>> GOP tells NBC next debate suspended over 'gotcha' questions ------------ I call bullshit. The GOP didn't have anything to do with this. That was all Trump and Carson forcing Rancid Penis to cancel the next debate.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 08:28 AM (2x3L+)

245 Anyone who has contested the Bush spawn in an election will tell you they are an exceptionally nasty and duplicitous bunch....

Posted by: Judas Washington at October 30, 2015 08:28 AM (hCdMd)

246
heh. RNC drops nbc debate.

probably makes paul ryan sad.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2015 08:29 AM (ODxAs)

247 I think  all  of us who predicted Jeb!  would win based on the fact that Gope was  firmly behind him. 

The very people being quoted in this article, the ones who are  quietly backing away from Jeb!...  these people ARE Gope!

Gope isn't  the candidates.  It's these scumbags, who are going to now move away from Jeb!  and jump into Ruby Oh's  trash.  With both feet.

So there's  nothing to celebrate here, if you are inclined (as I am)  to blame Gope for  all  that is badwrong about this Party and how it operates.  They're  still very much alive, even if their first choice is now effectively dead. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2015 08:29 AM (TOk1P)

248 The press will be MORE nakedly biased in favor of Hillary than they were for Obama precisely because she is less electable/likable." Not that I disagree with your premise but I'm just wondering if that would be even be possible. Posted by: George Orwell de Leon _____________________ I didn't think it was possible either but then I saw a complete panel of what should have been pretty wonky economic debate from a financial news network turn into why Rubio dipped into his retirement account to pay his bills.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:29 AM (I4PQV)

249 Trump's numbers back up. Looks like a race between Trump and Carson. http://tinyurl.com/pdcjjxq

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 30, 2015 08:30 AM (5HBd1)

250 Jeb can go fuck himself or he can get fucked publicly and fuck America in the process. Throw yourself on your sword, Jeb, and you'll have your dignity and our respect at least. I expect a tantrum, though.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:30 AM (xuouz)

251
(p 86)

Has one of his strategic dashboards.

Couple of good charts.  A map of states colored by delegate allocation method and a chart with a running total of delegates allocated over time. By the end of March 1500 delegates will have been committed.

Need 1,236 (50%+1) to win, so might be more or less all done by the end of March if enough minor candidates stay in to split the vote.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:30 AM (kdS6q)

252 What the fuck does that have to do with anything? It never ceases to amaze me that despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary some of you still think the country is in our camp and only cares about how much we fuck up Obama and the left. If the SC had pulled the plug on the Obamacare subsidies there would have been chaos in the insurance industry and with getting medical coverage if a temporary stopgap wasn't put in. Do you honestly think the public would have rewarded Republicans for cratering Obamacare with no plan how to unwind it? Sure, you run with that one. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 01:27 PM (/tuJf) _________ Dude you're making my point for me. All the votes the GOP has taken to kill Obamacare is for show. It's votes that they knew would never actually see the light of day in terms of policy change. So even with Romney as prezzy, Obamacare wouldn't have gone away. You people are delusional

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:30 AM (0LHZx)

253 Was she using an accent? If you're going to go, go all the way Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 30, 2015 01:19 PM (493sH) Good afternoon Clark University! 'S'mofo po-po butter layin' us to da' BONE! Jackin' us up... tight me! Jus' hang loose bloods. We gonna catch ya up on da rebound on da crack side. -HRC

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 08:32 AM (fWAjv)

254 notsothoreau, that's what I'm seeing, only not here on the HQ today. Kevin D Williamson is playing makebelieve and wishing Trump and Carson out of the picture, echoing something called Prokop on Vox. What's the deal? I get that most of us morons will accept Rubio if we must, but can he possibly be a top choice? And isn't he basically Romney except we all know it's coming?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:32 AM (xuouz)

255 I have to admit, this is a sight to behold. The RNC and their standard-bearer-of-choice have certainly confirmed our worst assumptions. They simply do not understand America, or at least not the Americans they believe they represent. Do they even understand what we mean when we use terms like "RINO," or "Conservative," or "Establishment?" No. They view us as the lunatic fringe, and clearly beyond reasoning with. They will pander to us, insincerely, confident that we'll vote for them over Hillary. Everyone who wrote "Let It Burn," or LIB, or similar, enjoy the smolder. The burn is slow. Everything in politics is slow, which is why it's a game for the wise. Wait them out. Stay the course. Let It Burn.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 30, 2015 08:32 AM (zurJC)

256 Next year I predict that there is going to be an undercover war between Hillary's most fanatical supporters and the rest of the Left with the Hill-bots snarling at those who are not showing the proper enthusiasm. If Hillary loses the Left is going to engage in an orgy of recriminations and bloody-handed revenge that's going to make the GOPe - Conservative fight look like a tempest in a teacup. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 01:26 PM (hLRSq) _______ Why would Hillary lose the left? She IS the left. The media is making it seem like Bernie vs. HIllary is left vs Centrist. It's not. It's far far far left vs. far left.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:33 AM (0LHZx)

257 Insulting your audience is always a smart move...or as we call it around here, a moo moo move

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2015 08:33 AM (DUoqb)

258 I'm worried Rubio is much worse than Jeb. Jeb is a dolt and will just let the government run itself. The only thing he cares about is amnesty. Rubio and his garbage wept when the pope mentioned immigrants like a freaking baby Boner. This guy is a zealot and seems to be a corrupt one that's just lining his pockets along the way. I'd rather have Jeb as the establishment pick or drug dealer Kasich

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (2x3L+)

259 You people are delusional

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew


Said the talking hawaiian dress.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (JmGFJ)

260 There's probably some truth to Jeb's arguments but, there is truth in mine: If he can get the nomination after explicitly telling the conservative voters in the party that he doesn't need them, then you know that the Republican Party is no longer the home for those voters.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (rwI+c)

261 The RNC has cancelled or suspended that next debate with NBC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (DUoqb)

262 Jeb! is correct.... the American electorate does have ADD... otherwise how do you explain the Obama RE election... But... just like Romney's 47% line... which was true... you can't SAY it...

Posted by: BB Wolf at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (qh617)

263 >> Voters may have A.D.D. but they can a-d-d up the poll >> numbers and see that Bush is little more than a fringe >> vanity candidate. I think there's a lot of little irritations about Jeb that chase segments of the GOP vote away. He's a Bush, he's the money-machine candidate (well, we know that Hillary's the Hollywood/Goldman candidate, but Bush is as good as it gets on the GOP side) he's barely paid lip service to any of the base's pressing issues. The problem with Jeb bashing Rubio with the non-attendance issue is that even beyond the fact that it was badly timed, from the primary voter perspective is that it's like he's shouting 'Allahu Akbar' while he charges him with a knife - he's using the enemy's tactics, and a weapon provided by the enemy. And, I think above all in this race, whether it's coming from Bush or anyone else, that's something the GOP primary voters will not tolerate.

Posted by: JEM at October 30, 2015 08:34 AM (o+SC1)

264 Hungarian PM Viktor Orban accused billionaire George Soros of being a prominent member of "activists" trying to undermine European nations by supporting refugees, Bloomberg reported.

Posted by: Mark Zuckerburger at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (e8kgV)

265 Romney still has people? Wow! Now that's a scoop.

Posted by: Fritz at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (3tjn4)

266 Dude you're making my point for me. All the votes the GOP has taken to kill Obamacare is for show. It's votes that they knew would never actually see the light of day in terms of policy change. So even with Romney as prezzy, Obamacare wouldn't have gone away. You people are delusional Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew _________________ It would not have been a clean repeal because it had already started, but I don't buy that any Republican President would have just simply let ObamaCare unfold without major changes. Hell, if Hillary is elected, I can almost guarantee you she will cut a deal that will repeal parts of Obamacare. It's unworkable, that's why it didn't really kick in until Obama was gone. Regardless, if you hated ObamaCare, your chances of repeal went to zero by reelecting Obama. It was his signature domestic bill.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (I4PQV)

267 DEBATE REVOLT? GOP candidates consider format shift, excluding RNC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (DUoqb)

268 >>Dude you're making my point for me. All the votes the GOP has taken to kill Obamacare is for show. It's votes that they knew would never actually see the light of day in terms of policy change. No, I'm making the point that you don't even know what happened. The subsidies were a temporary solution to be offered for a couple years so that 1) people still had access to insurance and 2) insurance companies didn't go under. You can't just unwind something as complex as Obamcare that insurance companies have to do rate setting for at least 1 year in advance overnight. You seem to understand nothing about how Obamacare works and have a bizarre belief that over 50% of the country would reward Republicans for crashing what is now the de facto insurance system in this country with no plan to replace going forward. That's not delusional, it's idiotic.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (/tuJf)

269 259 You people are delusional Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew Said the talking hawaiian dress. Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 30, 2015 01:34 PM (JmGFJ) ________ Meaning? If you think Obamacare is ever going away you are delusional. End of story.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:35 AM (0LHZx)

270 They should get the lil 13 yr old conservative that was told by his teacher that he was not worth saving in a fire moderate the next debate. Heck, they should go to high school or college campus and see if they can find someone from the Young Republicans organizations to moderate the debate.

Posted by: gapoz at October 30, 2015 08:36 AM (thyJJ)

271 Stinks in here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2015 08:37 AM (DUoqb)

272 NBC and Telemundo? WTF were they thinking?

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:37 AM (/dSsq)

273 No, I'm making the point that you don't even know what happened. The subsidies were a temporary solution to be offered for a couple years so that 1) people still had access to insurance and 2) insurance companies didn't go under. You can't just unwind something as complex as Obamcare that insurance companies have to do rate setting for at least 1 year in advance overnight. You seem to understand nothing about how Obamacare works and have a bizarre belief that over 50% of the country would reward Republicans for crashing what is now the de facto insurance system in this country with no plan to replace going forward. That's not delusional, it's idiotic. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 01:35 PM (/tuJf) _________ LOL. Yeah for 5 years the GOP has been screaming about killing Obamacare. And when it looked like maybe just maybe it might be sort of wounded, what do they do? Rush in to make sure the wound is healed ASAP. But yeah, they're totes committed to overturning it. D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:37 AM (0LHZx)

274 So there's nothing to celebrate here, if you are inclined (as I am) to blame Gope for all that is badwrong about this Party and how it operates. They're still very much alive, even if their first choice is now effectively dead. Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2015 01:29 PM (TOk1P) GOPe has a very deep roster. They've been at this forever. It's why we got Paul Ryan. And if it hadn't been him, it would've been another GOPe. Or another. Or another. Stacked up like cord wood they are.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2015 08:38 AM (4ErVI)

275 >> Hungarian PM Viktor Orban accused billionaire George >> Soros of being a prominent member of "activists" trying to >> undermine European nations by supporting refugees, Right now Orban - much as the chattering classes seem to have a distaste for the guy - and the Poles seem to be the only ones saying the things that need to be said. I say just throw up border controls on the internal EU borders and let the Imperial Senate in Brussels try to do something about it.

Posted by: JEM at October 30, 2015 08:38 AM (o+SC1)

276 As much as I would like to disagree with Moo, Moo I can't see obamscare going anywhere... It's too entrenched...

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:39 AM (/dSsq)

277 Then suck off a shotgun, mew mew, that'll end it all faster than waiting for a meteor or the walking-dead style destruction of society. The point of Obamacare is to instill that exact attitude: it's over, we lost. Fuck that. We're Americans.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:39 AM (xuouz)

278 O/T, How does this happen?? Holy. Shit. http://tinyurl.com/nhs392n

Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 08:39 AM (kdnZk)

279 Everyone who wrote "Let It Burn," or LIB, or similar, enjoy the smolder. The burn is slow. Everything in politics is slow, which is why it's a game for the wise. Wait them out. Stay the course. Let It Burn. Posted by: RobM1981 at October 30, 2015 01:32 PM (zurJC) the problem is the burn is slow... right up until it hits the powder keg... The 'shot heard round the world' happened after a slow burn of people feeling disenfranchised by their Government (not represented, ie not taxation without representation...)... and then a series of GUN CONTROL Laws... Add in crony capitalism... where certain large companies had the ear of Government, and were given a competitive advantage??? Add in an insane taxation system whereby they used the tax code to pick winners and loser (Tea then, energy now).... Add in a Head of Government who can, at whim, ignore the Law??? Sounds a bit familiar...

Posted by: BB Wolf at October 30, 2015 08:39 AM (qh617)

280 Thats sarcasm, right? No, I think he'd do a good job, he's never come across as someone who would try to make the debate about himself by constantly interrupting etc, but anybody who will just ask solid policy questions and let the candidates answer would do.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 30, 2015 08:39 AM (5LHtI)

281 Hell, if Hillary is elected, I can almost guarantee you she will cut a deal that will repeal parts of Obamacare. It's unworkable, that's why it didn't really kick in until Obama was gone. Regardless, if you hated ObamaCare, your chances of repeal went to zero by reelecting Obama. It was his signature domestic bill. Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 01:35 PM (I4PQV) ___________ Medicare and Social Security are also unworkable. And those have been bleeding us dry for 50 and 75 years respectively. Obamacare is here to stay. Only way it goes away is if we end up full on single payer. And the GOP will be more than happy to sign on to single payer, you know for bipartisanship and stuff.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:40 AM (0LHZx)

282 It's too entrenched... Which parts? The young people I know are ignoring the Mandate completely.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2015 08:40 AM (rwI+c)

283 268. Also, the proposed bills I saw for continuing the subsidies had a poison pill where the individual mandate would have the be repealed to get the subsidies, which would kill Obamacare, So Obama would then have to veto a bill restoring the subsidies in order to protect the most unpopular part of ObamaCare, the individual mandate.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:40 AM (I4PQV)

284
How does this happen??

Holy. Shit.


Bond.  James Bond.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 08:40 AM (oVJmc)

285 wow, you guys are the ones with ADD. Obamacare is a trojan horse for single-payer. It has a 5-10 year life expectancy. It is designed to unsettle and upset the health insurance market to pave the way for a different system. It's not here to say, and it's not entrenched. Now let's find some leaders willing to mount a sincere, substantive private option instead of the coming Father Government route that the left has plotted out.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:40 AM (xuouz)

286 Which parts? The young people I know are ignoring the Mandate completely. As was My Daughter... She just learned that the penalty will be 2% of Your gross income... That's a killer...

Posted by: donna at October 30, 2015 08:41 AM (/dSsq)

287

24

DO YOU PEE MORE OFTEN THAN YOU USED TO?

Posted by: Annoying Commercial Break at October 30, 2015 12:41 PM (9Izdv)

......................

 

Only because I drink more than I used to.

Posted by: wth at October 30, 2015 08:41 AM (wAQA5)

288 The RNC has cancelled or suspended that next debate with NBC Posted by: Nevergiveup And this has nothing whatsoever to do with the frontrunners conducting rectal exams on the 'moderators' and the the GOPe darlings sitting there like lumps of shit. Or anything to do with the notion that we want your money, we claim comptetence, and we can't run a debate without getting fucked over on national TV. Did I mention that you all should shut up and send in money?

Posted by: The RNC is on the job at October 30, 2015 08:41 AM (326rv)

289 Pro tip: Marco fucking Rubio is not the man for the job.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:41 AM (xuouz)

290 Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 01:39 PM (kdnZk) Bet I can land on that sign.... Here, hold my beer....

Posted by: BB Wolf at October 30, 2015 08:41 AM (qh617)

291 I hate myself for doing this, but Moo or Mew is right. No one barely in the GOP has a problem with Ocare. They just want the privilege of managing it and want the power that gives them over insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Bureaucrats administering the welfare state --- the lot of them.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 08:42 AM (2x3L+)

292 How's 'bout Marco and I settle this with a speedboat race? **** I first misread that as "Speedo" race. Be careful not to choose a seat directly behind the starting line.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 08:42 AM (mvenn)

293 Damn straight Johnny Cash matters! "I shot El Jebe in Boulder, just to watch him die."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] at October 30, 2015 08:42 AM (BK3ZS)

294
(p 80)

Ballot Access

Notes that !Jeb! in using volunteers to collect signatures in states like Virginia.  Which is surprising, because Virginia is notorious for their complex and arbitrary access laws and the wise pay the locals who know the game to trawl for signers.

Ask Newt.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:42 AM (kdS6q)

295 The real thing keeping Obamacare in place is good ol' Tom Donohue and the Donor Class.

They can dump healthcare obligations, and the insurance companies get 100% customer base and massive government cash infusion.

You'll have to break their backs before the Ruling Class does anything about it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 08:43 AM (oVJmc)

296 No, I'm making the point that you don't even know what happened. The subsidies were a temporary solution to be offered for a couple years so that 1) people still had access to insurance and 2) insurance companies didn't go under. You can't just unwind something as complex as Obamcare that insurance companies have to do rate setting for at least 1 year in advance overnight.

You seem to understand nothing about how Obamacare works and have a bizarre belief that over 50% of the country would reward Republicans for crashing what is now the de facto insurance system in this country with no plan to replace going forward.

That's not delusional, it's idiotic.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 01:35 PM (/tuJf)



Really?  Obamacare is  THE  insurance system?  When 90%  of  the  people  with "private"  insurance  are still getting it   through  their employers?



The point,  if there is one, is that the Republican  Party ran and won Congressional races  on the basis of  saying they  would repeal  Obamacare, and then  did NOTHING  to do anything about it.



If  you want to act like  the only options were killing it cold, or letting it ALL  go forward,  then you're just being silly. 



It  still could be stopped.  Today.  If there was political will in Washington  to do so.  But there never was.  Because  these  jackasses  in  the  Republican  Party, knew damn well they would  get their pockets  lined by the very same people  who always line the pockets  of jackass politicians, and  they would  do it  while  out of  the other side of their mouths  begging for votes from  the people  who  wanted, and still want, the  evil that is Obamacare,  repealed.



But no,  let's  pretend there's nothing  we can do about it.  That  always works  SO  well for Republicans.  

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2015 08:43 AM (TOk1P)

297 >> If you think Obamacare is ever going away you are >> delusional. End of story. I agree, to a point. I could comfortably see, in a decade, an Obamacare with the required benefits pared back to coverage of catastrophic/chronic illness, supplemented by private insurance carriers offering routine-medical insurance. The big issue is that you've got to level the field between employment-provided coverage and individual-market coverage, and so far Obamacare's largely failing there.

Posted by: JEM at October 30, 2015 08:43 AM (o+SC1)

298 I look at RCP totals, but not Cruz's weekly.  Did he get a bump?

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:43 AM (jJRIy)

299 I heard some guy shilling for Bush b/c he is a "moderate" and only "moderates" get elected by the repubs. Well, what's the point if he cant get elected? Why would anyone think anyone else would vote for a Bush? People are sick of dynasty and I would hope the same would apply to Clinton.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 30, 2015 12:38 PM (iQIUe)


What is the point of voting for any moderate? They implement Democratic policies just like the Democrats.

Posted by: redbanzai at October 30, 2015 08:43 AM (OrI3J)

300 Then suck off a shotgun, mew mew, that'll end it all faster than waiting for a meteor or the walking-dead style destruction of society. The point of Obamacare is to instill that exact attitude: it's over, we lost. Fuck that. We're Americans. Posted by: Ghost of kari Second this. Go cry to Todd Akin mini-moo; your load of crap is worse than useless.

Posted by: The RNC is on the job at October 30, 2015 08:44 AM (326rv)

301 Medicare and Social Security are also unworkable. And those have been bleeding us dry for 50 and 75 years respectively. Obamacare is here to stay. Only way it goes away is if we end up full on single payer. And the GOP will be more than happy to sign on to single payer, you know for bipartisanship and stuff. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew ________________________ The difference between those is the can is being kicked down the road to some reckoning in the future with MediCare and SS. But insurance Premiums are skyrocketing in the here and now. And when all the mandates kick in, it will be even worse. It's much easier to paper over some fiscal collapse that is not bleeding someone dry in the present. And single payer is what Trump is proposing, so what exactly are you complaing about?

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:44 AM (I4PQV)

302 291 I hate myself for doing this, but Moo or Mew is right. No one barely in the GOP has a problem with Ocare. They just want the privilege of managing it and want the power that gives them over insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Bureaucrats administering the welfare state --- the lot of them. Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 01:42 PM (2x3L+) ____________ People need to realize the GOP (or at least the powers that control the GOP) don't give a fuck about anything other than power. And what better way to gain more power than by gaining control over someone's health? When you accept this premise, you will accept that Obamacare isn't going anywhere. Ever.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:44 AM (0LHZx)

303 I think you could repeal Obamacare, if you go about it the right way. A lot of us are stuck on those high deductible insurance plans. It's like not having insurance only you get to pay a lot for it. I'm sure there are a dozen or more plans floating around that would provide better coverage than Obamacare. We just need someone capable of explaining what we need to do to repeal it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 30, 2015 08:44 AM (5HBd1)

304 I hate myself for doing this, but Moo or Mew is right. No one barely in the GOP has a problem with Ocare. They just want the privilege of managing it and want the power that gives them over insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Bureaucrats administering the welfare state --- the lot of them.

Posted by: L, Elle


It's easier to just acknowledge that some facts are facts and math is math than to even pretend that Mr. Hawaiian Dress has anything in common with the aforementioned.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 08:44 AM (JmGFJ)

305 "Fundamentals Matter" Like reading a room and not attacking someone who has already won on an issue and taking the side of a wildly unpopular group? Those kind of fundamentals? That singular catastrophic failure to read the electorate not only ended the efficacy of that attack but dooms all future ones to failure as well. Bush has no way to attack Rubio now that won't look like blatant mud slinging by a sore loser. Bush isn't finished per-se but his ability to go straight after Rubio who is beating him is gone. Bush has done nothing but weep support since August. So let's take a look at his fundamentals. 1. He didn't telegraph, he ground shipped his attack with a tracking number. 2. When it was *OBVIOUS* Rubio was ready, and was stomping the issue flat. He went ahead anyway. 3. Even *IF* he took all of Rubios support he couldn't beat Carson let alone Trump. So it wasn't a one shot kill. 4. People choosing Rubio over him are doing so because they don't like him and that's obvious. An clear and obvious unfair attack isn't going to make Rubio's support like him more. 5. Because of this dislike those that support Rubio are likely going to move onto the most reasonable NotBush, NotTrump, left. The big winners would be Fiorina, and Carson IMO if Rubio left. 6. There are I count 6 weak "Establishment Friendly" candidates in the race whom, if they dropped out, would likely transfer a far large share of their support to Bush. He and Kasich are splitting the same electorate. 7. Currently anti-establishment is running 60-65% of the electorate. Acting like a dick to Rubio even if he is quasi establishment isn't going to shift those numbers in your favor to make an establisment win an achievable reality because it just looks like wait-your-turn politics. After that fiasco of just not understanding the fundamentals, who the voters are, what will play well, and just falling on his face the route to victory for Bush narrowed considerably, and now requires quite a bit of luck and serious errors on the part of his opponents. If I were an establishment donor. I'd seriously start looking at the Rubio campaign or perhaps the Fiorina campaign.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 30, 2015 08:45 AM (0q2P7)

306 What 'gun' for hipster douche? http://tinyurl.com/pm28mrv 'Salt was designed around the belief that a gun does not have to take a life to protect a life.' Riiiight. Good luck with that.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 08:45 AM (fWAjv)

307 297 >> If you think Obamacare is ever going away you are
>> delusional. End of story.


I think you are wrong.  The 40% increases this year will make people realize what a piece of shit it is.



IF and a big IF we win the Presidency and keep the house and senate it will be changed and modified.



If they keep the Presidency and we lose the house and senate, we will see single payer, aka Canada.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:46 AM (jJRIy)

308

Have I told you guys yet how I met my wife?

Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at October 30, 2015 01:02 PM (Jj/2n)

...........................

 

At a Mexican midget wrestling match?

Posted by: wth at October 30, 2015 08:46 AM (wAQA5)

309 So POTUS and Congress have been ruling against the majority on most issues, immigration chief among them.  So the anti-DC cartel candidates are around 60%, including Trump Carson Cruz Fiorina.

Media hyped the "big win" for Rubio in the debate, but Cruz was strong, others were fine.  There is no place for Jeb that said he doesn't need conservatives, and carries other baggage. 

I'd guess Carson will fade and Trump will collect most of those voters.  Trump got a lesson in the debate when he flubbed the H1-B issue, and perhaps will "get it", that people want less immigration, and no form of amnesty.  Sometimes the "populist" issues are in the right. 

I don't care if he only builds 1000 miles of wall, but internal policy can't reward those 30 million illegals with citizenship.  He must clarify.  Bush clarified on the other side, and he is toast.  Rubio is still in the flipper category after his gang of eight sellout.

I still see only Trump able to take on the leftist machine AND the RINO establishment.  But he can't equivocate on immigration.

Posted by: Illiniwek at October 30, 2015 08:46 AM (1XT+t)

310 But insurance Premiums are skyrocketing in the here and now. And when all the mandates kick in, it will be even worse. - Coolio ____________ But who is getting hurt? The people who buy insurance on their own are already for the most part Republicans. These are small business types, independent contractors, etc. The people who have insurance through employers, well most of these people have no idea how much it costs. They just know they get "free" insurance from their evil CEO. And the people who are on Obamacare plans, they get it all for free, or heavily discounted. So what if the premium costs $1000/mo? They only pay $125 and the rest is subsidized.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:47 AM (0LHZx)

311 How does this happen??

Holy. Shit.

http://tinyurl.com/nhs392n

Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 01:39 PM (kdnZk)

=================================



That's - I don't even know what the physics of that are.  What in the world?

Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 08:47 AM (dFi94)

312 The can-kicking road is infinitely long, so what's the problem.

Posted by: Maynard G. Keynes at October 30, 2015 08:47 AM (FkBIv)

313 But he can't equivocate on immigration. Posted by: Illiniwek Anymore.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 30, 2015 08:48 AM (VAsIq)

314 O/T, How does this happen?? Holy. Shit. http://tinyurl.com/nhs392n Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 01:39 PM (kdnZk) The hell! How? Just. How?

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at October 30, 2015 08:48 AM (mf5HN)

315 All this Jeb v Rubio talk is pissing me off. They're not even in this race, combine their polling and they're 5% or more behind 2nd place. This is the establishment deciding that since they can't beat those two, they're just going to ignore them and slapfight in their frat house, hoping they just disappear. Let's hope to god that's as stupid an idea as it should be.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:48 AM (xuouz)

316 278 O/T, How does this happen?? Holy. Shit. http://tinyurl.com/nhs392n Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 01:39 PM (kdnZk) ?!?!

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2015 08:48 AM (zoehZ)

317 Well said L' Elle.

Posted by: teej at October 30, 2015 08:48 AM (1Zi6N)

318 Those two meaning Trump and Carson***

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:49 AM (xuouz)

319 Ejection seat?

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2015 08:49 AM (8HTq1)

320
Executive Summary of the !Jeb! Powerpoint

No acknowledgment of mistakes or lessons learned to date.  Simply we're ok, ignore the polling, we're the establishment pick and we'll spend our way to victory.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:49 AM (kdS6q)

321 So there's nothing to celebrate here, if you are inclined (as I am) to blame Gope for all that is badwrong about this Party and how it operates. They're still very much alive, even if their first choice is now effectively dead.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2015 01:29 PM (TOk1P)


GOPe has a very deep roster. They've been at this forever. It's why we got Paul Ryan. And if it hadn't been him, it would've been another GOPe. Or another. Or another. Stacked up like cord wood they are.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2015 01:38 PM (4ErVI)



Yep.  The Paul Ryans and Mark  Ruby Ohs  and  Jeb!s and Mitts are temporary.  Always have been, always will be. 



Georgette Mosberger  is the poster person for Gope.  Or some other grizzled, gnarly  wealthmonger, or  coven  of wealthmongers.  They stay in the shadows mostly, for a reason.  Sunlight  can kill them.  Or garlic, or the Cross. 

Posted by: BurtTC at October 30, 2015 08:49 AM (TOk1P)

322 Its January 2017. The Repubs have the House, 51 or 52 Senators and the Presidency. Does Obamacare get repealed? Yea or Nay.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 08:49 AM (LXJ1e)

323 I like the argument that no Republican could ever reform ObamaCare which is why we need Donald Trump to shake things up so he can then give us Single Payer, UK -style socialized medicine.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:50 AM (I4PQV)

324 I think you are wrong. The 40% increases this year will make people realize what a piece of shit it is. IF and a big IF we win the Presidency and keep the house and senate it will be changed and modified. If they keep the Presidency and we lose the house and senate, we will see single payer, aka Canada. Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 01:46 PM (jJRIy) ________ Colorado is going to enact single payer next year. So I think it's a given we will have single payer nationally within 10 years. Maybe sooner if we have another severe recession. But again, that 40% increase isn't really 40% to the LIV. The vast majority of people who buy their own insurance are getting a massive subsidy. So 40% of a very small number is an even smaller number. And it's not 40% across the board. There are a few states where it will be huge increases. But I've read the average increase will be about 6%. And in many states it will actually be a decrease for some plans.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:50 AM (0LHZx)

325 80% of Obama care enrollees are on a subsidy. 


This is nothing but an income retribution plan for democrats.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:50 AM (jJRIy)

326 320 Executive Summary of the !Jeb! Powerpoint No acknowledgment of mistakes or lessons learned to date. Simply we're ok, ignore the polling, we're the establishment pick and we'll spend our way to victory. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 01:49 PM (kdS6q) I'm just surprised it isn't in Spanish.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2015 08:50 AM (4ErVI)

327 Dear Jeb:  The DNC called. They want their Pajama Boy photo model back.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 30, 2015 08:50 AM (UhRGU)

328 Yeah why are we talking about these guys anyway? They've got like 7% support combined.   I think I'll go dust something.



Oh who am I fooling.  I never dust.

Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 08:51 AM (dFi94)

329 Its January 2017. The Repubs have the House, 51 or 52 Senators and the Presidency. Does Obamacare get repealed? Yea or Nay. Posted by: Make America Great Again We just need six people on the Supreme Court to agree with us, then we can do what the voters ask.

Posted by: Grand Ole Party at October 30, 2015 08:51 AM (VAsIq)

330 20 y/o speeding with no seatbelt. vehicle rolled multiple times after hitting another vic. Centrifugal force ejected driver onto sign.

Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 08:51 AM (kdnZk)

331 >>But who is getting hurt? The people who buy insurance on their own are already for the most part Republicans. These are small business types, independent contractors, etc. >>The people who have insurance through employers, well most of these people have no idea how much it costs. They just know they get "free" insurance from their evil CEO. Maybe people you know are that stupid but not people I know. I get my insurance through my company. I know exactly how much it is costing us because I am part of the group that help chooses the coverage. I'm also part of the group that has to explain to employees why they won't be getting as big a raise as they thought or none at all. And I am also personally painfully aware how much my deductible has gone up. I was on the phone this morning for over an hour with my insurance company trying to figure out how much I would have to pay out of pocket for my upcoming surgery. Anyone who actually uses their insurance knows that it has gotten much more expensive and much more restrictive.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 08:51 AM (/tuJf)

332 Romney would have fought tooth and nail to save ObamaCare, his grandchild. The idea that the gope needed to ease the USA slowly and darefully away from ObamaCare is just plain nonsense.

Posted by: eman at October 30, 2015 08:51 AM (MQEz6)

333 EVERYONE will ultimately get hurt by fredocare....it will destroy the health care system as we used to know it...there will be rationing and long waits. It' socialism and socialism is...... ( fill in the blank)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 30, 2015 08:52 AM (DUoqb)

334 So Jeb!'s selling points are voters are stupid, and I still have lots of that sweet, sweet Chamber of Commerce cash? I'm sold.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 30, 2015 08:52 AM (a31sM)

335 single payer Can we please stop using this lie? We went through the massacre of the English language in 2008-2009 about whether this was or was not government healthcare or socialized medicine. We are now seeing outright complaints that the two problems are: it didn't go far enough it could have been better but the dear leader was hamstrung by filthy rethuglickkkkkkkkans thoroughly socializing medicine will be dreamy. Using this crap term is helping them.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 08:52 AM (326rv)

336 Colorado is going to enact single payer next year. So I think it's a given we will have single payer nationally within 10 years. Maybe sooner if we have another severe recession.


Vermont, a small homogeneous state, tried it two years ago.  They stopped it after it almost bankrupted the state.



I seriously doubt CO will be successful.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:52 AM (jJRIy)

337 He must have had on of those James Bond ejection seats installed.

Posted by: wth at October 30, 2015 08:52 AM (wAQA5)

338 Socialism is just another word for things we do together. In bed.

Posted by: Barney Frank at October 30, 2015 08:53 AM (FkBIv)

339 310. Everyone who pays for their insurance is watching the premiums skyrocket and employers are passing those new costs on to employees. Hell, even government employees are starting to see this happen and complain, which is great schadenfreude. For business owners in small and medium sized companies, it's ground zero.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:53 AM (I4PQV)

340 I get my insurance through my company. I know exactly how much it is costing us because I am part of the group that help chooses the coverage. I'm also part of the group that has to explain to employees why they won't be getting as big a raise as they thought or none at all. And I am also personally painfully aware how much my deductible has gone up. I was on the phone this morning for over an hour with my insurance company trying to figure out how much I would have to pay out of pocket for my upcoming surgery. Anyone who actually uses their insurance knows that it has gotten much more expensive and much more restrictive. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2015 01:51 PM (/tuJf) ________ Good for you. You are also in a very small minority of people who understand how it all works. Most people just think they show up to the doctor, give them a health insurance card and the rest is fairy dust and unicorns. Same way people think a $15 minimum wage is a great idea because evil CEOs make too much moeny. You always need to remember the typical American is a fucking imbecile when it comes to understanding how things work.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:53 AM (0LHZx)

341 80% of Obama care enrollees are on a subsidy. _______________ Nope. It's over 90%.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 30, 2015 08:53 AM (a31sM)

342 teejy! How's your friend Jack doing? I hope he's okay. I've been worried about him.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 08:54 AM (2x3L+)

343 323 I like the argument that no Republican could ever reform ObamaCare which is why we need Donald Trump to shake things up so he can then give us Single Payer, UK -style socialized medicine. Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 01:50 PM (I4PQV) ------------------- That's a good argument in fantasy-land.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 08:54 AM (LXJ1e)

344 I seriously doubt CO will be successful. Posted by: Nip Sip Dude! What if we did what Vermont did, but, like, with Cheetos?

Posted by: Colorado Problem Solver at October 30, 2015 08:54 AM (VAsIq)

345 Centrifugal force ...

Posted by: SMFH


/pedant
*cringe*

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at October 30, 2015 08:54 AM (JmGFJ)

346 Why would Hillary lose the left? She IS the left. The media is making it seem like Bernie vs. HIllary is left vs Centrist. It's not. It's far far far left vs. far left. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:33 PM (0LHZx) I explained that in the part you cut-and-pasted. Obama = Labor of Love. Hillary = Dreary Duty.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 08:55 AM (hLRSq)

347 You always need to remember the typical American is a fucking imbecile when it comes to understanding how things work.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)

===================================



Oh for the love of pete. Not everyone's relatives are like yours.





Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 08:55 AM (dFi94)

348 Vermont, a small homogeneous state, tried it two years ago. They stopped it after it almost bankrupted the state. I seriously doubt CO will be successful. Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 01:52 PM (jJRIy) ________ That's the thing though, it doesn't matter if it's succesful or not. The point is - like Obamacare - get it set up and then it's impossible to get rid of. It's on the ballot next year and I predict it will pass with at least 60% support. After all who wouldn't want "FREE" health care? Did I say 60%? More like 75%.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:55 AM (0LHZx)

349 324. Colorado will fail badly, other states have tried and it's been a fiscal disaster. If you can't print money, it doesn't work.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 08:55 AM (I4PQV)

350 347 You always need to remember the typical American is a fucking imbecile when it comes to understanding how things work. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx) =================================== Oh for the love of pete. Not everyone's relatives are like yours. Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 01:55 PM (dFi94) ________ What a cogent reply. Well done.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:56 AM (0LHZx)

351 Facebook trending: last Gitmo detainee released after being held 13 years without trial.Poor baby.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2015 08:56 AM (8HTq1)

352 That's the thing though, it doesn't matter if it's succesful or not. The point is - like Obamacare - get it set up and then it's impossible to get rid of. It's on the ballot next year and I predict it will pass with at least 60% support. After all who wouldn't want "FREE" health care? Did I say 60%? More like 75%.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:55 PM (0LHZx)


VT's governor, a democrat, stopped the program.  It was going to eat the entire state budget.   Seems like VT hippies and Mary all signed up for free shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 08:57 AM (jJRIy)

353 Its January 2017. The Repubs have the House, 51 or 52 Senators and the Presidency. Does Obamacare get repealed? Yea or Nay.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 08:57 AM (LXJ1e)

354
Interesting fun fact I chance googled:

Rule 40

This obscure rule passed to prevent Paul from being nominated on the convention floor in 2012, requires that candidates win a majority of eight delegations to be entered into nomination and have their delegates counted.

It is almost certain to be amended in the week leading up to the GOP convention, depending on circumstances. (For instance, the minimum could move higher, in the case of a clear nominee, or lower, if theres a contested convention.)


If it doesn't change, that 8 could be hard for the second tier to hit.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (kdS6q)

355 More like Señor pooh-pooh!

Posted by: Ghost of kari at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (xuouz)

356 349 324. Colorado will fail badly, other states have tried and it's been a fiscal disaster. If you can't print money, it doesn't work. Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 01:55 PM (I4PQV) _________ Print money or get an unlimited amount of bailout money from the federal govt. See City of Detroit for an exmple.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (0LHZx)

357 Did Hawaii try some sort of "single payer" system?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (FkBIv)

358 278 O/T, How does this happen?? ===================== Was he driving a Riced Prius?

Posted by: db at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (LHNU4)

359 Its January 2017. The Repubs have the House, 51 or 52 Senators and the Presidency. Does Obamacare get repealed? Yea or Nay. Depends. Will the Senate majority leader nuke the filibuster? if so, then yes, and we would see: tort lawyers fucked over insurance sold across state lines improvements and portability of HSAs (your new health 401K!) EO to audit medicaid OTC contraceptives act of 2017

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 08:58 AM (326rv)

360 "Right now Orban - much as the chattering classes seem to have a distaste for the guy - and the Poles seem to be the only ones saying the things that need to be said." I read reports that the Austrians are buying every shotgun (no licenses needed for those) that they can find and are lining up to get permits for the other types of firearms. Women especially. It seems that a heck of a lot of Europeans get it very well. Their "leaders" - not so much.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 08:59 AM (hLRSq)

361 >>>>> Yeah why are we talking about these guys anyway? They've got like 7% support combined. I think I'll go dust something. Oh who am I fooling. I never dust. Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 01:51 PM (dFi94) ------- Ha! Grammie this made me laugh. I hate dusting. It's right up there with vacuuming. I'd rather mop a floor or wash dishes.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 08:59 AM (2x3L+)

362 This ace guy seems high-energy. I like him.

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2015 08:59 AM (KUaJL)

363 You always need to remember the typical American is a fucking imbecile when it comes to understanding how things work. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx) =================================== Oh for the love of pete. Not everyone's relatives are like yours. Posted by: grammie winger True. 52% are worse.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at October 30, 2015 09:00 AM (xujhj)

364 The hell! How? Just. How? Excessive speed, being high off the ground in the truck's cab and no seat belt, I expect. The same sort of idea as people being thrown through the car windshield with no seat belt only at a higher altitude. Article said he was only 20. How terrible for his family and for him too, of course.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 30, 2015 09:00 AM (No/ki)

365 I don't know how VT structured their version. In Colorado it will be a 10% income tax. Oh but nobody will vote for a 10% income tax!! Sure they will since 6.67% of it will be paid by eeeeeeevil corporations and "only" 3.33% will be paid by employees.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 09:00 AM (0LHZx)

366 NY Slime maps where people don't have health insurance.  Their take, they live in the South and are poor.



http://tinyurl.com/ng6zqgx



Gee, now, who does that describe?   I am thinking?




I'll take Obama voters for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 09:00 AM (jJRIy)

367 I read reports that the Austrians are buying every shotgun (no licenses needed for those) that they can find Maybe I should run for President over there!

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 30, 2015 09:01 AM (FkBIv)

368 Ford Focus was the vehicle, not a Prius as originally reported.

Posted by: SMFH at October 30, 2015 09:01 AM (kdnZk)

369 How is Romneycare managing now? Does it still exist and function in Massachusetts?

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 09:01 AM (2x3L+)

370 Depends. Will the Senate majority leader nuke the filibuster? if so, then yes, and we would see: tort lawyers fucked over insurance sold across state lines improvements and portability of HSAs (your new health 401K!) EO to audit medicaid OTC contraceptives act of 2017 Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 01:58 PM (326rv) ---------------------- Why is that even a question? McConnell would be Majority Leader. So an Obamacare repeal depends on what side of the bed McConnell rolled off.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 09:01 AM (LXJ1e)

371 What the Bush campaign just did is sleazy. Their man fumbled miserably on the debate stage in making a ham-handed attempt at knocking Rubio for missing Senate votes. Because Bush can't do it on his own, they now leak internal documents critical of Rubio?

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 30, 2015 09:02 AM (r1fLd)

372 Facebook trending: last Gitmo detainee released after being held 13 years without trial.Poor baby. Posted by: steevy Now I can fill it with America's TRUE enemies--conservative commenters!

Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at October 30, 2015 09:02 AM (VAsIq)

373 'Free' Single Payer Healthcare usually comes with a ~20% VAT tax or something similar.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 30, 2015 09:03 AM (oVJmc)

374 Hi L' Elle. Jack is, well he just keeps putting one foot in front of the other like a good soldier. Don't think he'll ever be really happy though, not unless he fondest someone who really lifts his spirits. I do the best I can as a friend but it's not the same.

Posted by: teej at October 30, 2015 09:03 AM (1Zi6N)

375 A petition has been submitted to the Colorado Secy of State to have a single payer initiative on the 2016 ballot. Still awaiting confirmation of signature validity. I would venture to say that not a lot of the public are aware of this. I CAN say for a fact that there are a lot of pissed off people trying to understand the current situation. I saw a report the other day indicating individual deductibles may be going into the $12-13,000 range. The status quo will not hold. Will single payer pass? Who knows? Let me consult my Magic 8-Ball--> "All signs point to 'not likely'"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 09:03 AM (mvenn)

376 Print money or get an unlimited amount of bailout money from the federal govt. See City of Detroit for an exmple. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew ____________ Not sure Detroit is a good example of how bad policies can keep working forever. States have tried "mini single payer" and none of them have stuck with it because its a fiscal black hole.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 09:03 AM (I4PQV)

377 51 or 52 GOP sens = not a chance O-care is repealed. You'd have McCain, Colins, Murkowski, Miss Lindsey and a couple of others vote no.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 09:03 AM (0LHZx)

378 O/T

Obama follows his hero JFK and finds out Syria is Veitnam spelled backwards. The slippery slope begins.




http://tinyurl.com/oke8h6g

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 30, 2015 09:05 AM (jJRIy)

379 Not sure Detroit is a good example of how bad policies can keep working forever. States have tried "mini single payer" and none of them have stuck with it because its a fiscal black hole. Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 02:03 PM (I4PQV) __________ Detroit is a great example. They have been pissing money away for decades. The city is a 3rd World shithole but they keep doing the same thing even though everyone knows it's not working. And eventually the money ran out, but fear not, Obama was there with a big fat check to cover the losses.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 09:05 AM (0LHZx)

380 Why is that even a question? McConnell would be Majority Leader. So an Obamacare repeal depends on what side of the bed McConnell rolled off. yes. This POS got where it was during the brief period when they had a veto proof majority, AND they ramed through part under reconciliation AND they fucked with Scot Brown being seated. Either Mitch the bitch nukes the filibuster or it goes in under reconciliation. Or the new President starts ripping out parts with EOs. Targeted EOs to kill waivers for dems and their friends would be an ideal start.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 09:06 AM (326rv)

381 Nood ace rant

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 30, 2015 09:06 AM (fWAjv)

382 teejy, I need to introduce Jack to my friend, Gina. I think they'd really hit it off. Maybe we could set up a blind date for them sometime soon. How bout your Royals? I couldn't stay awake for the first game and had to miss the second. I hope I can watch the next one. How was the fundraiser yesterday? I missed you on the blog but saw your posts after you left. Did you guys sound good?

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 09:07 AM (2x3L+)

383 Print money or get an unlimited amount of bailout money from the federal govt. See City of Detroit for an exmple. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 30, 2015 01:58 PM (0LHZx What are you talking about? Detroit didn't get bailed out, Detroit went bankrupt. The Feds didn't bail them out and the State certainly didn't.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Take A Cruz On Our Marco-Boats At The Outrage Outlet! at October 30, 2015 09:07 AM (hLRSq)

384 Detroit is a great example. They have been pissing money away for decades. The city is a 3rd World shithole but they keep doing the same thing even though everyone knows it's not working. And eventually the money ran out, but fear not, Obama was there with a big fat check to cover the losses. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew ____________________ You're a moron if you think Detroit has not been an epic failure, even with some bailout money. The city was the model of prosperity at one time, now it's a war zone. The city doesn't even have the money anymore for basics like police and fire, it's a no man's land.

Posted by: Coolio at October 30, 2015 09:09 AM (I4PQV)

385 Dammit on the timing of the nood! teejy, I'll be upstairs. What's Ace bitching about now?

Posted by: L, Elle at October 30, 2015 09:09 AM (2x3L+)

386 328 Yeah why are we talking about these guys anyway? They've got like 7% support combined. I think I'll go dust something. Oh who am I fooling. I never dust. Posted by: grammie winger, uff da at October 30, 2015 01:51 PM (dFi94) *fistbump*

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2015 09:10 AM (zoehZ)

387 RE: the Colorado single payer proposal. To be paid for by a 10% across the board tax. It's not "government run" healthcare, rather will be run by a 21 member 'commission' with elected members (sounds like government-run to me). http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/26/single- payer-in-colorado-learn-from-vermont/ (remove the space) The "commission will have the authority to raise the 10 percent premium as high as it needs to cover costs." Hmmmm. Wonder how high that will ultimately be. **taps chin thoughtfully**

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 09:11 AM (mvenn)

388 51 or 52 GOP sens = not a chance O-care is repealed. You'd have McCain, Colins, Murkowski, Miss Lindsey and a couple of others vote no. Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew Yes, mini moo, there is chance. Once the filibuster is nuked, and once the POS starts getting pared back by EOs, they and only they become the pivotal votes. They become the ones in the gunsights. Their cowardice and cravenness can be used against them as being the saviors of obamacare. And cokebear and Juan are facing re-election.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 09:12 AM (326rv)

389 Of course. I finally put in the effort to craft a substantive comment and I get willowed. I'd better stick to fart jokes.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 30, 2015 09:13 AM (mvenn)

390 Jack and Gina? Hmmm. I don't know. Does she live out this way? Be a bit of a drive for either one. Even for both. I'll bring it up if you're serious though. You never know. Yeah, how 'bout those Royals. Hope they keep it going tonight. If Ventura is hitting his spots he can be as filthy as anyone, filthier than most. First night with the new board and yes, we sounded good. Well, we sounded good for 3 old guys that include a mediocre drummer.

Posted by: teej at October 30, 2015 09:16 AM (1Zi6N)

391 Remember when a "Republican" voted Obamacare out of the Finance committee, allowing it to finally go to the floor? Scum, all of them. The GOP is dead. They just don't know it yet.

Posted by: pam at October 30, 2015 09:17 AM (cF0hS)

392 >>>Because Bush can't do it on his own, they now leak internal documents critical of Rubio? They are both sleazy. Let them take each other down. This is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 30, 2015 09:22 AM (E5UB0)

393 Either Mitch the bitch nukes the filibuster or it goes in under reconciliation. Yes, mini moo, there is chance. Once the filibuster is nuked, and once the POS starts getting pared back by EOs, they and only they become the pivotal votes. They become the ones in the gunsights. Their cowardice and cravenness can be used against them as being the saviors of obamacare. And cokebear and Juan are facing re-election. Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2015 02:12 PM (326rv) ---------------------------- The GOP has shown precisely zero amount of balls to get the job done. They will cave under the blistering attacks of +8 milllion being denied healthcare to die in the streets and governors begging to keep the gravy train rolling for Medicaid.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 30, 2015 09:39 AM (LXJ1e)

394 God help us if we end up with Trump, and I say that having Jeb second-to-last on my list, in front of Trump. Now that "low-energy" Jeb is fading, and "that face" Fiorina seems to be going nowhere...watch out when Trump starts going after "boyish" Rubio, or whatever sticky insult Trump invents.

Posted by: Doug at October 30, 2015 09:39 AM (yNjgJ)

395 lol, I just saw this "Jeb was at one point so inevitable, that he was already preparing his concession speech to Hillary" Thank God that shit's gone. or going. or at least dead in the water.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 30, 2015 10:08 AM (ajMhd)

396 The problem with Bush (Or any prominent candidate) attacking another candidate is this: First the attack will have no traction and the attacker will have beclowned himself, tanking his own candidacy. Then once maximum impact on his own reputation is inflicted, someone else will ask the same question, and now it's a storyline and a news item. It will end up dragging both candidates down. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Michael Isaacson at October 30, 2015 11:21 AM (tUNKV)

397 #140 I would. Someone has to protect the silverware and the entertainment center.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 30, 2015 01:16 PM (dXHvF)

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