November 30, 2011

It's Been An Eventful Week In Fast & Furious News
— JohnE.

The Daily Caller caught up with Eric Holder to get his reaction to the growing list of members of Congress that are calling for his resignation (52 as of today). Holder's response was to demand that the Daily Caller stop publishing articles about it. Just in case you think I might be exaggerating by saying "demanded", check out this picture.

As Holder’s aide was escorting the attorney general offstage following his remarks Tuesday afternoon at the White House, a Daily Caller reporter introduced himself and shook Holder’s hand. The reporter asked him for a response to the growing chorus of federal legislators demanding his resignation.

Holder stepped towards the exit, then turned around, stepped back toward the reporter, and sternly said, “You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”

So, mystery solved. Audio of the exchange is below the fold.

Meanwhile, Fox News reported today that the whisteblowers that testified before Congress are seeing some retaliation from the Justice Department. More on that here.

"The only people who have been damaged from Fast and Furious, short of the obvious victims, are the people who tried to tell truth and blew the whistle," Dobyns said.

Dodson was told he was toxic and could no longer work in Phoenix. With sole custody of two teenagers and under water on his house mortgage, Dodson found himself with no place to be and nowhere to go.

A supervisor suggested he'd be treated fairly at an office in South Carolina. Wanting to keep his job, protect his pension and pay the mortgage, Dodson had no other choice. He and his family now live in a small apartment, facing financial troubles, still labeled persona non grata by the very agency he carries a badge for, and regularly assaulted by leaks from "ATF sources at headquarters."

Dodson has tried to remain out of the public eye, has not filed suit and says only that he wishes to return to his work as an ATF agent.

The White House's Thanksgiving visitor log document dump produced some interesting names, including Rachel Maddow and convicted felon Robert Creamer. Doug Ross dug a little deeper into the data and found four face-to-face meetings between President Obama and Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler:

Item 1: In March of 2011, President Obama denied knowledge of 'Operation Fast and Furious' -- the Justice Department program that sent thousands of murder weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

Item 2: According to documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee, Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler was keenly aware of all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious as early as March 2010.

Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself. All four meetings with the President occurred over a two-week period, between 7 May 2010 and 19 May 2010. According to The Los Angeles Times, these dates just so happened to represent the run-up to "the height of [Operation] Fast and Furious"

Also today: The Obama Administration has sealed all records relating to Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's murder.

The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.

This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.

This is how innocent people behave, right?

Posted by: JohnE. at 01:25 PM | Comments (168)
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1 This is what covering up looks like!

Posted by: OWSers... Not at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (UzjcV)

2 I don't understand how its possible for the Administration to seal the records. That just makes no sense. Allowing him to do that just amounts to a title of nobility.

Posted by: Texan Economist at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (Mr52M)

3
Cover up we much.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 30, 2011 01:28 PM (QMtmy)

4

Uncle Fester seems a bit perturbed

(Also, check out the expression on the woman behind him.  That's going to be a long car ride back to Justice.)

Posted by: AMartel at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (1Bqk7)

5 Organic?  It has been my observation that affirmative action types often insert improper words.

Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (bcx/C)

6 We need someone to get the ear of some investigative journolist types and convince them that unless they throw Holder under the bus and cover this, Obarky and the liberal cause are going to be more damaged in the long run.

Posted by: palerider at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (dkExz)

7 Reporters actually doing their jobs are a great nuisance to Steadman and the White House.

Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2011 01:35 PM (fecOD)

8 Good thing Obama doesn't like power.  He might do something stupid.

Posted by: Dang at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (BbX1b)

9 I told you that guy was a putz.

Posted by: Oprah Winfrey's sybian at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (4pSIn)

10 Nothing to see here .... Move along.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (qiOph)

11 the wheels on the bus go round and round

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (MHerQ)

12 Wait a minute....how can the Obama Menstruation seal all the documents?  What about the Terry family?  What about the public's right to know about this murder since no one will ever be prosecuted for the act?

Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (iYbLN)

13

Hey, no fair, you guys.  Reporting facts. 

Posted by: AMartel at November 30, 2011 01:38 PM (1Bqk7)

14 Organic is a very popular word with the libs, isn't it? 

I do not think it means what they think it means.

Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (fecOD)

15 the wheels on the bus go round and round

Vin Diesel and Stedman Graham starring in...

Fast and Furious 6: Under the Bus

Posted by: Movie Preview Guy at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (AKEDb)

16 Can we impeach the lot of them now?

Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (2Gb0y)

17

I don't know how old Holder is but I'm guessing I'm 15-25 years his junior.

I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site and piss all over it.

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 01:42 PM (jGDVS)

18 The person sent by Holder to be in charge of Fast and Furious was Lanny Breuer - the Assistant Attorney General of the United States in charge of the Criminal division of DOJ. Sending him to be in charge of  the ATF Phoenix field office is like sending the Chief of Naval Operations to command a Coast Guard Cutter.

There is no one between Holder and Breuer. Either Breuer thought this whole thing up by himself or Holder and Obama are involved. Breuer is cooperating with the investigation. Holder may not have known anything about Fast and Furious, but his staff certainly thought that he did - since they sent him memos on the subject.

There is also the matter that a semi auto "AK47" in the US costs about $400 and a full auto black market AK in Mexico costs about $75. The flow of guns had to be subsidized or the Mexican Cartels would never have bought the Fast and Furious weapons.

How is that innocent mistake theory looking now Ace?
 

Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 01:44 PM (ylhEn)

19 Those Obama-Deputy AG meetings might prove significant.  It was always going to be difficult trying to tie Obama directly to the operation, but that might just do it.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 01:45 PM (nRTou)

20 Barack Obama, Christina Applegate and Eric Holder star in

Don't Tell anyone a Federal Agent is Dead

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2011 01:45 PM (MHerQ)

21 We are at the point now where congress should be doing something besides talk. I don't think they can "impeach" an appointee but the House can cut ALL funding for the DOJ until he is fired and charged.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 01:45 PM (YdQQY)

22 Where's the cheerleader pic ? / let's see if he falls for it again ....

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (npr0X)

23

Erik W.

I'm 63 so won't be around to piss on Holder's grave. Could you remember me and have a couple of extra beers for me before you go over to the dumpsite, I mean gravesite?

 

 

Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (bcx/C)

24 @Bill D. Cat

Ha!  Nice try.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (nRTou)

25 So I'm looking at the ring on his finger. Looks like the Lordship kind of "kiss my ring"-ring. I have a feeling that's part of the AG office recruitment process.

"As a new hire to the Attorney General's office your first order is to kiss my ring and swear allegiance to me and never ask any questions of all that I do"

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (l8nIR)

26

Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 06:46 PM (bcx/C)

Done and done!

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (jGDVS)

27 Damn .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (npr0X)

28 I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site [...]

I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.

Man, that shows you how awful Holder is ... he's worse than Ramsey Clark.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (bjRNS)

29 Oh by the way, since the Cartels would know that they didn't subsidize the lower cost of the US weapons - they would know that they were a gift from the US Government. So the possibility of this being some sort of under cover sting operation are exactly zero; when the bad guys know what is going on you aren't running a sting.


Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (ylhEn)

30 I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site [...]

I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.

Man, that shows you how awful Holder is ... he's worse than Ramsey Clark.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 06:49 PM (bjRNS)


For extra AoSHQ style points, dig him him up first, and give him a face-full.  Steal any valuables buried with him to fund a fit-shaced Valu-Rite binge.

Then go skin a hobo to celebrate.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (qiOph)

31 Can we have Jack Ryan (IL) ask the Washington papers to petition to have Obama's records unsealed?

Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at November 30, 2011 01:53 PM (TkTh/)

32 Tucker Carlson is the de facto head of the Republican Party! Well, for the moment, anyway.

Posted by: Dan Collins at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (IsWed)

33 I believe an AOS piss on a grave tour should be launched.  Think of the possibilities people.

Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (iYbLN)

34
  I'm holding out for Kerry. With luck there'll be a line.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (SAMxH)

35

Organic?  It has been my observation that affirmative action types often insert improper words.

 

I think the word he was searching for was "Orgasmic"...

Posted by: runningrn at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (u/RSM)

36 Just in case you think I might be exaggerating by saying "demanded", check out this picture.

Like I said this morning when I linked tothe DC article. He lost it.

When they are at that point they are toast. Look for him going under the bus before the and of Dec.

But I don't want him "under the bus". I want him behind bars. And if he had stuck his finger in my face like that I would have broke it.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (YdQQY)

37 Piss tour!  Piss tour!

(Come to think of it, I've never seen an Ewok urinate.  BONUS!)

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (qiOph)

38 I believe an AOS piss on a grave tour should be launched.  Think of the possibilities people.

Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 06:54 PM (iYbLN)

I think that idea was floated a few years ago. Was that by you?

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 01:56 PM (jGDVS)

39 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: The MSM at November 30, 2011 01:56 PM (/izg2)

40 Vic,

Does Eric Holder strike you as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword?  Not me.  I think it's more likely he takes the whole thing down with him.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 01:57 PM (nRTou)

41 37 Piss tour!  Piss tour!

(Come to think of it, I've never seen an Ewok urinate.  BONUS!)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx

Does an ewok have a penis?

We all know Eric Holder doesn't have one.  Like Walter Peck in Ghostbusters.  "Yes this man has no dick."

Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 01:57 PM (iYbLN)

42 36  I can't tell if the chick in the picture is stunned or aroused by the manly finger pointing. 

Posted by: no good deed at November 30, 2011 01:57 PM (mjR67)

43 I think it's more likely he takes the whole thing down with him.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:57 PM (nRTou)

That's what everyone said about the Blogovitch. Didn't happen.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 01:58 PM (YdQQY)

44 Well, that's true.  I still think Eric Holder is different.  He behaved like a cornered animal in that exchange, so you know he feels the walls closing in.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 01:59 PM (nRTou)

45 That's what everyone said about the Blogovitch. Didn't happen.

  Or Rezzco .  Ain't gonna happen..

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 30, 2011 02:00 PM (X4EXc)

46 He behaved like a cornered animal in that exchange, so you know he feels the walls closing in.

That's why I think he is toast.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 02:00 PM (YdQQY)

47 There's no inflation.
TARP saved the world.

Why exactly isn't Krauthammer a laughing stock?

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2011 02:00 PM (sOXQX)

48

Sometimes I suspect that I'm an asshole.

Reading about the poor plight of the ATF agent, living in an apt. Having hard times, my inside voice says fuck that mofo. I could give a shit about that government agent enforcing alcohol, tobacco, and firearms laws. He's the enemy as far as I'm concerned. Chose the wrong profession. Not as bad as DEA, which I would be laughing about, but not that good either.

 

I'm just a dick and can't help it. Sorry. 

Posted by: Jimmah at November 30, 2011 02:01 PM (jup4s)

49 Who can say, "special prosecutor?" I can.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 02:01 PM (SKzd9)

50

 I can't tell if the chick in the picture is stunned or aroused by the manly finger pointing. 

 

She's wondering if she should pull it...


Posted by: runningrn at November 30, 2011 02:01 PM (u/RSM)

51 You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not like any US attorneys were fired or anything.

Posted by: Eric Holder at November 30, 2011 02:02 PM (AKEDb)

52 Well, that's true.  I still think Eric Holder is different.  He behaved like a cornered animal in that exchange, so you know he feels the walls closing in.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:59 PM (nRTou)


"Animal"?  RACIST!!!!

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 02:02 PM (qiOph)

53 Blood for Bud!

Posted by: Potsomkers for Obama at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (KI/Ch)

54 (Come to think of it, I've never seen an Ewok urinate.  BONUS!)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx

My estate has a Mannewoken Pis in every fountain!

Posted by: Louis XVI at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (mIucK)

55

14 Organic is a very popular word with the libs, isn't it?

 

Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"

It's almost as if they coordinated their views on a secret list or something.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 02:04 PM (SKzd9)

56 He should retire . Rumour has it they're doing a Barney Miller re-make .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 02:04 PM (npr0X)

57 eyeroll.

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 02:04 PM (MMC8r)

58 You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not like any US attorneys were fired or anything.

Ha!  I was just reading an article today about Alberto Gonzales from 2007.  It was a transcript of Chuck Schumer and Newt Gingrich being interviewed together and both calling for his resignation.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 02:05 PM (nRTou)

59

Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"

It's almost as if they coordinated their views on a secret list or something.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 07:04 PM

We'll be sitting around the kitchen table talking about Wall Street and Main Street but we'll have our boots on the ground, kicking the can down the road.

Posted by: the MSM at November 30, 2011 02:06 PM (fecOD)

60 Holder must have considered Fast and Furious a very important operation if he sent Lanny Breuer to run it - don't you think? We know this was not a botched operation because of the person who was running it; it was run exactly the way Breuer ordered it to be run. Breuer is no low level flunky who got his instructions mixed up somewhere in the chain of command; he is the equivalent of a 4 star Admiral in the Navy - or a 4 star General in the Army.

Nobody sends an 4 star Admiral to do a Lt.Commander's job - which is the equivalent of the US Attorney's position at the Phoenix Field Office of the ATF - unless that Lt. Commander's unit is doing something terribly important.

Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 02:06 PM (ylhEn)

61 "whistleblower protection" turns out to be more one-way liberal bullshit.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 30, 2011 02:07 PM (QxSug)

62 OBAMA is a SCOAMF. That's "Stammering" Clusterf**k Of A Miserable Failure. Holder is a murderer.

Posted by: lmekdahl at November 30, 2011 02:09 PM (zgB7e)

63

14 Organic is a very popular word with the libs, isn't it?

Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"

---

So his assumption is that there are no laws he can break, unless a grassroot effort says he broke it? Who cares who is calling for his resignation. He's a criminal.

Posted by: Jimmah at November 30, 2011 02:10 PM (jup4s)

64 You all are bringing out my inner conspiracy theorist, but Eric seems like he understands the game well enough that he would have insurance info to be released in event of any tragic heart attack, accident etc.

Posted by: palerider at November 30, 2011 02:10 PM (dkExz)

65 Gravitas!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 30, 2011 02:13 PM (ndlFj)

66 Rumour has it they're doing a Barney Miller re-make .

Is Abe Vigoda going to play Fish?

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at November 30, 2011 02:13 PM (HtUdo)

67 What would it take for local authorities (Hello Babeau & Perry!) to get a grand jury together, present evidence and secure indictments?

Is there some Fed primacy rule in play?

I would think that if local authorities caught a Fed agent performing an illegal act under state law, they could prosecute, right?

If not, would the Feds have to say there actions were official acts and therefore they had immunity??

Or, hope against hope, a Federal Mexican indictment? OMG, that would be hot!

Posted by: Ducatisti at November 30, 2011 02:14 PM (KYE7u)

68

Oganic? As in Volatile Organic Compounds? High vapor pressure, low boiling point?

research into VOCs and their effects is difficult. wiki.

This is indeed beginning to boil. Holder needs to Occupy Prison.

 

Posted by: Cicerokid at November 30, 2011 02:16 PM (GM96x)

69 Newt 2012, driving the trolls at tepid air bat shit insane since I took the lead.
He is doing surprisingly well in Florida.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 30, 2011 02:16 PM (pMrYf)

70 Is Abe Vigoda going to play Fish? He's signed on for ten seasons .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 02:17 PM (npr0X)

71 It's only circumstantial evidence that the White House is behind a conspiracy to subvert the 2nd amendment. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 02:17 PM (w7Lv+)

72 64 You all are bringing out my inner conspiracy theorist, but Eric seems like he understands the game well enough that he would have insurance info to be released in event of any tragic heart attack, accident etc.       Win-win!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 02:17 PM (SKzd9)

73 Or, hope against hope, a Federal Mexican indictment? OMG, that would be hot!
Posted by: Ducatisti at November 30, 2011 07:14 PM

All the Federales say, we could have had him any day.
We only let him slip away out of kindness, I suppose.

Posted by: Pancho and Lefty at November 30, 2011 02:18 PM (fecOD)

74 Time to pack it in for today folks. bbt

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 02:18 PM (YdQQY)

75 Maddow, Holder and Creamer?

Posted by: Wink Martindale at November 30, 2011 02:19 PM (uuXjC)

76 It would be interesting to see a suit for wrongful death campaigned for by the dead agent's family.

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 02:21 PM (MMC8r)

77 I fixed the photo to save the trouble of listening to the recording to get the mood of the situation:

PHOTOSHOP AHEAD:
http://tinyurl.com/88quzwm

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 02:22 PM (l8nIR)

78 I don't know how old Holder is but I'm guessing I'm 15-25 years his junior. I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site and piss all over it. Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 06:42 PM (jGDVS) Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 02:22 PM (eCnLg)

79

It would be interesting to see a suit for wrongful death campaigned for by the dead agent's family.

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 07:21 PM (MMC8r)

 

Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 02:24 PM (jGDVS)

80 Holder is squirming. Someone is going to jail.

Posted by: Marie at November 30, 2011 02:24 PM (P9OJs)

81 Rest up Vic.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 02:25 PM (4q5tP)

82

Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?


Only if they let you.  But I said 'campaign for' it.

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 02:25 PM (MMC8r)

83

Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off

Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.

Posted by: ErikW's bladder at November 30, 2011 02:25 PM (4pSIn)

84

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 07:22 PM (l8nIR)

LOL. Freakin' bug-eyed gangsta!

Posted by: Cicerokid at November 30, 2011 02:26 PM (GM96x)

85 It's only circumstantial evidence that the White House is behind a conspiracy to subvert the 2nd amendment. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 07:17 PM (w7Lv+)


I believe the official Ace of Spades party line is: Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 02:26 PM (ylhEn)

86

Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 07:24 PM (jGDVS)


Are you a minority?  Undocumented "worker" maybe?  Step into my parlor....

Posted by: The Association formerly known as ACORN at November 30, 2011 02:28 PM (/izg2)

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 02:29 PM (O7ksG)

88 I want the baddest ass GOP president to sic the new DOJ on these punks.  Crush them. Medals and civil settlements to the whistleblowers.

Posted by: observer at November 30, 2011 02:31 PM (FCq0g)

89 Ron 'Xenu' Paul is ridiculing another candidate?

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 02:31 PM (MMC8r)

90 So the Ryans' divorce records were of the utmost national importance, but on the other hand, no one needs to know about Brian Terry's death?

Fuck you President Cockknuckles and Attorney General Dicklock.

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 02:31 PM (P1nni)

91

Holder is squirming. Someone is going to jail.

Hopefully it's Holder.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2011 02:32 PM (2sy9r)

92 77 I fixed the photo to save the trouble of listening to the recording to get the mood of the situation: PHOTOSHOP AHEAD: http://tinyurl.com/88quzwm Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 07:22 PM (l8nIR) What a coincidence. I just happen to be looking for a wheelman with Photoshop skills. Interested?

Posted by: Wink Martindale at November 30, 2011 02:32 PM (uuXjC)

93

Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off

Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.

 

Yeah, yeah, get off your fucking lawn, I know.

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 02:33 PM (jGDVS)

94 As I've read Ace and his cob loggers, "the official party line" is more along the lines of "get out there and demand that Holder answer these questions". He's given plenty of space to air out conspiracy theories. He's in sympathy with them. He's less in sympathy with snide comments like I see in #18 and #84.

Conducting activism and demanding answers from Holder serves a purpose. Sitting here needling the site hosts, not so much.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 30, 2011 02:33 PM (6GvAC)

95 *ahem* I mean #85.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 30, 2011 02:33 PM (6GvAC)

96

Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?

Is one black? Has one ever farmed? Has one ever thought about farming?

Posted by: Sherrod at November 30, 2011 02:34 PM (GM96x)

97 @An Observation

I think Ace is just brutally allergenic to conspiracy theories and avoids buying into them at all costs.

I, on the other hand, believe the sole purpose of this operation was an attack on the second amendment and a push towards harsher gun control laws.  So far, the more information that comes out, the more it looks like that was the case.  Especially the head-smackingly ridiculous testimony of Dianne Feinstein during the hearing when she called for stricter gun laws because of the failure of this program.

These are all just theories so far, though.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 02:35 PM (nRTou)

98 Fuck it. Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio 2016. Why? Because after 4 more years of obozo - life is really gonna suck.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 02:35 PM (O7ksG)

99 Holder Lied, dozens Died !!!!!

Posted by: TXMarko at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (CoZkh)

100 Because after 4 more years of obozo - life is really gonna suck. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 07:35 PM (O7ksG) If there is life

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (eCnLg)

101 Eric Holder. In Court. With the Orange Jumpsuit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (bxiXv)

102 66 Rumour has it they're doing a Barney Miller re-make .

Is Abe Vigoda going to play Fish?
________

Why not. He's still alive, isn't he? Maybe they can get Betty White to play Bernice.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (NmR1a)

103

Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off

Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.

 Yeah, yeah, get off your fucking lawn, I know.

===========================

You can walk on my lawn to get your ball, that's fine. Just stop pissing on my flower beds, please.

Posted by: grumpy old bastid at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (4pSIn)

104 Fast and Furious?  Never heard of it!

Posted by: charlie gibson at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (+56Bh)

105 So. How bad a decision would it be if, as a business person, I called out a MOH recipient and accused him of being mutually unstable and an alcoholic?

Do you think I could get by with that?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (piMMO)

106 Is he gone yet? President Obama’s fund-raising foray into Manhattan today created enough gridlock to make Congress envious — at almost the exact moment that thousands of tourists jammed into Rockefeller Center for the Christmas tree-lighting. “This really sucks, it’s aggravating,” griped Rob Bam, 49, who got jammed while trying to cross from Fifth to Sixth Avenue. “Keep the President out of the city.” Obama’s ill-timed trip turned Midtown into a parking lot for hours, and ticked off New Yorkers simply looking to get around as the President glad-handed fat cats from the Upper East Side to the East Village to the Sheraton New York. Arrogant selfish SOB

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (eCnLg)

107 85 It's only circumstantial evidence that the White House is behind a conspiracy to subvert the 2nd amendment. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 07:17 PM (w7Lv+)

I believe the official Ace of Spades party line is: Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 07:26 PM (ylhEn)

Ah, the formbook. My mistake.

Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 02:38 PM (w7Lv+)

108 Gary Grindler?  Never heard of him!

Posted by: barry obama at November 30, 2011 02:38 PM (+56Bh)

109 OT: Really. we are going with Newt?

I suspect that his numbers will fall in the next couple / few weeks.

RCP has a graph on their front page that compares polling results for all the candidates.  What's interesting is that Perry, Cain and to a lesser degree Bachmann all show a sudden rise in the polls, followed almost immediately by a sharp drop.

It looks like it's Newt's turn to climb and fall; you can see the sudden climb, the fall probably won't be long in coming.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 02:38 PM (SY2Kh)

110

This is how innocent people behave, right?

All the live long day.

Say, lookee here!  What are these 700 FBI background files doing in the White House?

Whooee!  Here, in the first family's private quarters on the 3rd floor of the White House, in a bookroom, are the supoenaed Rose Law firm billing records relating to Whitewater we've been looking for high and low during the past 2 years.  [headslap]  Golly, how did that happen?

All perfectly innocent behavior.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 02:38 PM (4q5tP)

111

The most obvious part that this was a bungled government plan and cover-up is that the celebrity elite did exactly what they were told. I can still hear Oprah and Bono now.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (O7ksG)

112 Arrogant selfish SOB

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)


Now, now. You can't blame him for that traffic jam. Blame Curious for pressing her cat's nipples against the glass on the limo.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (piMMO)

113 Well I can understand how Holder might have that reaction.

From their POV, they are always right and the only reason why the whole world doesn't agree with them is because right-wingers, via their propaganda organ Fox News, like and make shit up, and then via propaganda techniques trick half the country into believing them.

If it wasn't for the perfidy of Tucker Carlson's lie machine, we'd all be worshipping at Obama's feet right now.  That is, according to them.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (s7mIC)

114 Because after 4 more years of obozo - life is really gonna suck.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 07:35 PM (O7ksG)

You're an optomist.  I like that.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 02:40 PM (qiOph)

115 OT: Really. we are going with Newt?

We? Who the hell is "WE"?

I'm still pulling for Perry.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 02:40 PM (piMMO)

116

Fast and Furious?  Never heard of it!

No kidding. Charlie, go out to the store and get me some batteries.

Posted by: Mrs Gibson at November 30, 2011 02:40 PM (4pSIn)

117 It looks like it's Newt's turn to climb and fall; you can see the sudden climb, the fall probably won't be long in coming. Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 07:38 PM (SY2Kh) Not so sure about that. All the others, Perry Cain and Bachmann made specific and real stupid stumbles. Newt may make a mistake but he is ALOT smarter than the others

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 02:40 PM (eCnLg)

118 OPTIMIST!

Posted by: eastvalleyphx is channeling AllenG in the Pedantry Dept at November 30, 2011 02:40 PM (qiOph)

119 Maddow at the white house with Obama. Oh where does one even start with that???

Posted by: no sniveling at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (BSGjH)

120

So. How bad a decision would it be if, as a business person, I called out a MOH recipient and accused him of being mutually unstable and an alcoholic?

I tend to think MOH recipients kinda earn a pass for the rest of the ride, but you don't want someone to mess up your business.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (2sy9r)

121 Arrogant selfish SOB

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)


Well duh - he can piss off as many New Yorkers as he wants, the state will still vote for him by 30 points

I'm surprised he didn't take a leak on all of them from the top of the Empire State Building.  "Ha ha ha enjoy that you suckas, who ya gonna vote for instead, the REPUBLICAN?  HAHAHAHAH"

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (s7mIC)

122 Those Obama-Deputy AG meetings might prove significant.  It was always going to be difficult trying to tie Obama directly to the operation, but that might just do it.

Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:45 PM (nRTou)


Actually it was never going to be difficult to tie Obama directly to the operation.

1. Only the POTUS can change the policy of a federal agency like the ATF - which was done in this case.

2. Because of the financial problem inherent in the operation (US prices for weapons too high to get he Cartels to buy them) there is a clear money trail which leads back to the White House and the stimulus bill - where the funds are set aside to run the operation.

Oh, I'm sorry Ace there I go offering irrefutable forensic evidence again. I denounce myself.

Nothing to see here; move along.


Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (ylhEn)

123

The most obvious part that this was a bungled government plan and cover-up is that the celebrity elite did exactly what they were told. I can still hear Oprah and Bono now.

Hillary was out on point on the '90% of drug gang guns come from the US,' remember?

Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (MMC8r)

124 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.He is also guilty of high crimes and should be impeached.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (7WJOC)

125 Maddow at the white house with Obama. Oh where does one even start with that???

Posted by: no sniveling at November 30, 2011 07:41 PM (BSGjH)


Just a couple guys hangin out, watchin WNBA, scratchin nuts and so on.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (qiOph)

126 Well, since Dodson conspired with Newman to steal those dinosaur embryos I have no sympathy for him.

Posted by: Hoss at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (Cc+oi)

127

Maddow at the white house with Obama. Oh where does one even start with that???

Two over-rated twat waffles that don't do dick.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2011 02:43 PM (4pSIn)

128

“You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”

The Voices of Americans and Mexicans killed or wounded by weapons illegally supplied by the DOJ through the Fast and Furious program.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 30, 2011 02:44 PM (qwK3S)

129 So his assumption is that there are no laws he can break, unless a grassroot effort says he broke it?

Now you are starting to see the law as the Left understands it.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (s7mIC)

130 I tend to think MOH recipients kinda earn a pass for the rest of the ride, but you don't want someone to mess up your business.

Yeah. That's kind what I was thinking.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (piMMO)

131 Obama’s ill-timed trip turned Midtown into a parking lot for hours, and ticked off New Yorkers simply looking to get around as the President glad-handed fat cats from the Upper East Side to the East Village to the Sheraton New York.


Arrogant selfish SOB

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)

Well, NYC is the center of the universe for liberals and they get what they deserve when he comes to town.

Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (jGDVS)

132 Two over-rated twat waffles that don't do dick.

Except one of them might....

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (s7mIC)

133 87 OT: Really. we are going with Newt?

It is surprisingly a great ad. I wish another campaign had made it.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (d6QMz)

134 "Wanting to keep his job, protect his pension and pay the mortgage, Dodson had no other choice. He and his family now live in a small apartment, facing financial troubles, still labeled persona non grata by the very agency he carries a badge for, and regularly assaulted by leaks from "ATF sources at headquarters."

Dodson has tried to remain out of the public eye, has not filed suit and says only that he wishes to return to his work as an ATF agent."

Wow....that pension must be sweet.  Let's see....his employer shits on him, shits on the Constitution, arms criminals, helps murder hundreds of people, including a fellow Fed, and this guy wants to STAY with them?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 30, 2011 02:47 PM (jAqTK)

135 Not so sure about that. All the others, Perry Cain and Bachmann made specific and real stupid stumbles. Newt may make a mistake but he is ALOT smarter than the others.

Maybe.  I've always considered Newt smart, but that doesn't imply good judgement- which Newt has lacked on more than a few occasions.

Up until recently, he was largely considered an also-ran out to sell books.  Once people are reminded (perhaps by other campaigns) of his history- resigning as speaker after being found guilty of ethics violations, less than conservative stances, etc- I suspect his numbers will fall some.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 02:47 PM (SY2Kh)

136 It is surprisingly a great ad. I wish another campaign had made it.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 30, 2011 07:46 PM (d6QMz)


yeah it is a good ad

let's hope that Luap Nor doesn't see much benefit from it

the thought of actually voting for RoN pAuL.....  ugh

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:50 PM (s7mIC)

137

@40: "Does Eric Holder strike you as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword?  Not me.  I think it's more likely he takes the whole thing down with him."

Not the best plan of action, we must say.

Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown and Zombie Vince Foster at November 30, 2011 02:50 PM (jAqTK)

138 Wow....that pension must be sweet.  Let's see....his employer shits on him, shits on the Constitution, arms criminals, helps murder hundreds of people, including a fellow Fed, and this guy wants to STAY with them?

yeah that's kinda what I was thinking.  there aren't ANY other opportunities for him available?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 02:51 PM (s7mIC)

139 So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (bxiXv)

140 It's not likely Professor Weaseldick will throw Holder under the bus, they're best buds.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (FabC8)

141 Wow....that pension must be sweet.  Let's see....his employer shits on him, shits on the Constitution, arms criminals, helps murder hundreds of people, including a fellow Fed, and this guy wants to STAY with them?

Look at it from his perspective.  He's got a family to feed, a pension to worry about, etc.  I'm not sure the private sector is begging for employees with former ATF agent experience.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 02:53 PM (SY2Kh)

142 OT Just saw one of the commercials that BP was probably forced to run by the gubmint.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2011 02:53 PM (7WJOC)

143

So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?

Aspirin allergy?

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 03:05 PM (4q5tP)

144 So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?

Puhleeze! Whaddaya think this is? The Clinton administration?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 03:06 PM (piMMO)

145 30 I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site [...]

I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.
I'll wait and travel to the dumpsite of Georgie Boy Soros.

Posted by: Shame The Shameless at November 30, 2011 03:10 PM (dH8nh)

146

So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?

Stuck acclerator in a Toyota, battery fire in a Chevy Volt, exploding tire on Ford Explorer, choking on a small game piece in a Happy Meal, shark attack whilst snorkeling, grizzly bear attack whilst on the Appalachian Trail, the possibilites are endless ...

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 03:14 PM (4q5tP)

147 As I've read Ace and his cob loggers, "the official party line" is more along the lines of "get out there and demand that Holder answer these questions". He's given plenty of space to air out conspiracy theories. He's in sympathy with them. He's less in sympathy with snide comments like I see in #18 and #84.

Conducting activism and demanding answers from Holder serves a purpose. Sitting here needling the site hosts, not so much.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 30, 2011 07:33 PM (6GvAC)


Ah, but it is OK for Ace to say snide things about me? Which by the way he has done.

So far there is not even one shred of evidence that this was anything except what I say it was. Not one shred. I have answered every one of Ace's objections to this being the conspiracy it actually was.

If this were in doubt that would be one thing. The truth is the evidence against Anthony Weiner was a lot weaker than the evidence I have pointed out about Fast and Furious. Ace ran with the Weiner story because Weiner was a single person who screwed up. He won't run with this story because it is necessarily a conspiracy situation. Watergate was necessarily a conspiracy situation yet somehow Woodward and Burnstein ran with it.

Things which occur in the real world leave behind evidence of their occurrence because of their interactions with other real world entities. Things which did not occur have no effect, and leave behind no evidence. That is how you tell whether something is real or not. There is considerable circumstantial and forensic evidence that Fast and Furious was a conspiracy at the highest levels of government - that could only be true if that conspiracy actually existed. If it didn't exist there would be zero evidence that it did exist - that is how things work in the real world.




Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 03:19 PM (ylhEn)

148 Orange Jumpsuit Don't you mean, Overol naranja

Posted by: Fox2! at November 30, 2011 03:33 PM (RJOgX)

149 Mark Steyn summed this up best last month: “Now real Mexicans are dead,” he continued. “Does the president of the United States, does his attorney general, does CNN, does The New York Times, does NPR — do they not care about dead Mexicans? “I mean, forget the United States Border Patrol guys that were killed about these ‘Fast & Furious’ guns. Real-live, or previously live, citizens of third world countries — the kind of people that NPR, The New York Times claim to love — are dead because of this.” “Why isn’t that a national scandal?” he pleaded. “This is absolutely a — Iran-Contra didn’t rack of that kind of body count. Watergate didn’t rack up that kind of body count. Sarah Palin’s daughter’s boyfriend’s mother, or whatever stupid story they were chasing around Wasilla for months, that didn’t rack up a body count. There were hundreds of dead Mexicans from a gun running program run by the United States.”

Posted by: Keith Richards at November 30, 2011 03:36 PM (sA6GJ)

150 So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?

I have known three high ranking CIA officials - they all died of sudden onset brain tumors. Sudden onset brain tumors are pretty far down on the list of causes of death. From the military rule of thumb: once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action, that is enough to raise an eyebrow over.

Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 03:38 PM (ylhEn)

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2011 03:49 PM (GTbGH)

152 Obama2012: You Can't Spell "Blow" Without The O.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 30, 2011 03:59 PM (JjjnQ)

153 I don’t usually add my comments, but I will in this case. Nice work. I look forward to reading more.

Posted by: Fates Edge ePub at November 30, 2011 04:18 PM (vaJa6)

154 I think Ace is just brutally allergenic to conspiracy theories and avoids buying into them at all costs.

I, on the other hand, believe the sole purpose of this operation was an attack on the second amendment and a push towards harsher gun control laws.  So far, the more information that comes out, the more it looks like that was the case.  Especially the head-smackingly ridiculous testimony of Dianne Feinstein during the hearing when she called for stricter gun laws because of the failure of this program.

These are all just theories so far, though.

No prosecutor ever goes into a court case with anything more than a theory- he simply tries to convince the jury that his theory is correct. He does so with evidence. Sometimes there is eye witness testimony - such as Agent Dobson has provided - sometimes there is circumstantial evidence or forensic evidence both of which have been pointed out here. When the defendants are dodging or ignoring  subpoenas, stonewalling the investigation and citing the Sgt Shultz defense of "I know nuhsing" it is not a far stretch for any jury to find them guilty.

I think you are correct about Ace's reluctance to go farther.




Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 04:21 PM (ylhEn)

155

"Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself."

Is Grindler an older white guy?  If that couch in Reggie Love's office could talk...

Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 04:34 PM (QjSgY)

156

@#4

"Oh no he din't just say that!"

Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 04:36 PM (QjSgY)

157 You made a few good points there. I did a search on the matter and found a good number of people will agree with your blog.

Posted by: Hedys Folly epub at November 30, 2011 04:53 PM (vaobd)

158 140 It's not likely Professor Weaseldick will throw Holder under the bus, they're best buds. -------- Nope, as a sociopath who also exhibits extreme Narcissistic Personality Disorder, there is NOBODY he wouldn't throw under that bus.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at November 30, 2011 04:56 PM (fuw6p)

159

Piss on his grave?

pfffft.

I want to mow down his apocalyptic zombie which rises up to serve in the final democrat administration let loose by the Lord after a thousand years.

Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 04:59 PM (QjSgY)

160

@#35

His Inner Oswald Bates was screaming "grassrootious!"

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Posted by: Pricing the Future ePub at November 30, 2011 05:11 PM (mLPSm)

162

@#2: "I don't understand how its possible for the Administration to seal the records. That just makes no sense.

Allowing him to do that just amounts to a title of nobility."

Kevin O'Reilly:  "I know, right? I just hope the cocksucker is fired, so maybe I can come home by Christmas with the troops.  This place is mondo scary"

Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 05:17 PM (QjSgY)

163 Imagine for a second that it was the right wing president of a corporation and his chief legal officer who were behind a gun running operation similar to Fast and Furious - and who had the same evidence against them that there is in Fast and Furious. Show of hands everyone who think they would already be rotting in a Mexican prison.

So why are Holder and Obama getting a pass? POTUS and US Attorney General/  Even then, if they were Republicans they would be gone - especially if they were black Republicans. Remember, the race card only works in the media if your report card shows a D in party affiliation.


Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 05:34 PM (ylhEn)

164 Watergate burglary = no deaths and forced Nixon to resign. Op F&F illegal guns to cartels >300 dead and counting = the Studdering ClusterF€ck of a Miserable Failure get off free and goes golfing.

Posted by: A man called Horse at November 30, 2011 05:36 PM (N/2ZI)

165

Thanks to Ace and the co-bloggers for more coverage on this.

I know they don't agree with my view but I'm with them on "get all the facts out there". Actually we should say truth because the left will pass of complete BS as "fact" (as in the 90% meme that started this whole thing).

Last I heard the next round of hearings is slated for 12/8.

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