January 30, 2014

Italian Court Finds Amanda Knox and Rafael Solecitto Guilty, Again
— Ace

Amanda Knox is in America and she's not going back to Italy.

However, Rafael Solecitto -- every bit as innocent -- is an Italian citizen, and they're determined to jail Amanda Knox, but they can't, so they'll jail the guy no one cares about, Rafael.

The Italian judicial system has a quirk unlike ours. When a trial court pronounces you culpable, you're not actually convicted of the crime -- not yet. The actual conviction only occurs when a court, sitting in review, confirms the conviction.

I believe I read that Italy considers this trial finding of culpability less seriously than our own countrymen would find a jury verdict, because it's not actually yet a verdict.

Thus, Rafael is in this odd twilight, again, where he stands to be convicted of murder, and yet is not actually convicted of murderer, while the actual murderer, a drifter and repeat burglar named Rudy Guede, whose DNA was found all over the crime scene (and yet none of Rafael's or Amanda's-- the prosecutors wisely explained that they had cleaned the crime scene of their own DNA, while managing to leave behind a great deal of Guede's; the prosecutors have never explained what type of bleach could permit this selective removal of genetic material), remains in jail, but with a reduced sentence in exchange for implicating Knox and Solecitto, because all he did was burglarize, sexually violate, and then slaughter Meredith Kercher, whereas Rafael Solecitto and especially Amanda Knox provided the inspiration and stage direction for this crime, even though they weren't even there, but who cares, it's Italy, and she's a Foreign Whore, and Foreign Whores must pay.

Oh by the way: Rudy Guede fled the country the day after the murder, and he had committed a series of burglaries, armed with a knife of the exact same size as used to slaughter Meredith Kercher, with which he threatened one victim. Because he burglarized the home when the occupant was in residence. Because he was a stupid, low-impulse control, rapist, burglar, and idiot thug.

The fact that he did the same thing to another victim (without proceeding to the sexual violation and rage slaughter phase) just a month before he murdered Meredith Kercher is taken as some kind odd, but ultimately unimportant, coincidence by Perugia's All Star Prosecution Squad.

Anyone Interested in a Great True Crime Book About Italy's Own Jack the Ripper... ... should read Monster of Florence, by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezzi.

There is a strong connection to Amanda Knox, though the book is not about her.

If you want to read about this case specifically, the Hellman-Zanetti Report (the official report of the court of appeals that freed Knox and Solecitto) is great. But it is a court document, not a novelistic narrative.

But it is great reading.


Posted by: Ace at 11:03 AM | Comments (583)
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1 Ahhh ... Barrel ride ...

Posted by: Wonga-Taa, King of Jungle at January 30, 2014 11:05 AM (FlRtG)

2 Roll out the barrel.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 11:05 AM (gqT4g)

3 Tutto quel tizio appena detto è una stronzata

Posted by: Vinnie Gambini at January 30, 2014 11:05 AM (8ZskC)

4 ... now fixed.

Posted by: Wonga-Taa, King of Jungle at January 30, 2014 11:05 AM (FlRtG)

5 Amanda has been through the school of hard Knox.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 30, 2014 11:06 AM (g4TxM)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (PYAXX)

7 I thought we needed foreign whores because they do the jobs that local whores won't ...

Posted by: Adriane... at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (qoKTg)

8 Tell all your children not to travel to Europe for "study", but then go on a sex and drug binge instead.  And then tell them again.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (ndlFj)

9 A new thread.  I'm going to miss looking at that big nasty mole.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (8ZskC)

10 Italia, che disgrazia! Tu puzzi.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (7ObY1)

11 Thus, Rafael is in this odd twilight, again, where he stands to be convicted of murder, and yet is not actually convicted of murderer, while the actual murderer, a drifter named Rudy Guede, whose DNA was found all over the crime scene (and yet none of Rafael's or Amanda's-- the prosecutors wisely explained that they had cleaned the crime scene of their own DNA, while managing to leave behind a great deal of Guede's; the prosecutors have never explained what type of bleach could permit this selective removal of genetic material), remains in jail, but with a reduced sentence in exchange for implicating Knox and Solecitto, because all he did was burglarize, sexually violate, and then slaughter Meredith Kercher, whereas Rafael Solecitto and especially Amanda Knox provided the inspiration and stage direction for this crime, even though they weren't even there, but who cares, it's Italy, and she's a Foreign Whore, and Foreign Whores must pay. One big @$$ sentence!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:07 AM (IXrOn)

12 Crap.  BSR was only going to repost her upside-down mons if she were found not guilty.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 30, 2014 11:08 AM (A0sHn)

13
Wow.

I really thought theyd find "not guilty".

Posted by: fixerupper at January 30, 2014 11:08 AM (nELVU)

14 Ridiculous.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 11:08 AM (GrtrJ)

15 A new thread. I'm going to miss looking at that big nasty mole. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 04:07 PM (8ZskC) I'll have nightmares.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:08 AM (IXrOn)

16 Hmm.. Does the US grant asylum for this kinda thing? Because if so I'd throw myself at the mercy of the nearest US embassy.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:08 AM (GaqMa)

17 This post needs more upside-down Knox pics.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2014 11:09 AM (RUvjp)

18 There are very, very few civilized countries on this planet.

Italy isn't one of them.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 11:09 AM (SY2Kh)

19 Hope the Kircher family is happy. My sympathy for them has run out. Convicting innocents is not going to bring their daughter back.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:09 AM (7ObY1)

20 When a trial court pronounces you culpable, you're not actually convicted of the crime -- not yet. The actual conviction only occurs when a court, sitting in review, confirms the conviction. ******** I think Dante's Inferno describes this particular place.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:09 AM (RJMhd)

21 Yep. A State Department with a ball-sack would have told Italy to drop the nonsense. If Italy failed to drop the nonsense- said imaginary State Department would PNG every freaking member of the entire Italian diplomatic delegation. Who would then be arrested for whatever unpaid tickets they have (and I'm betting they have a bunch, because they can't be arrested).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:09 AM (PYAXX)

22 http://tinyurl.com/q5fehq5 Thrust your vulva at them, Amanda!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (7ObY1)

23 Summarized rather nicely, Ace!

I'm pretty sure Obama will get Holder to send her back over there..  no sense offending the Italians!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (Z7PrM)

24 I remember, about a year ago, or more, maybe, there was persistent troll on the ONT, one Tom Sawyer, who was infatuated with this case.


Me, I don't particularly give a shit. Nice for Amanda to be safely home; sucks to be Rafael. Maybe the moral is, don't go to Italy, or, if you must go, don't whore around there. Probably sound advice in many other countries, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (60Q+L)

25 Hope the Kircher family is happy. My sympathy for them has run out. Convicting innocents is not going to bring their daughter back. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 04:09 PM (7ObY1) They'd probably be stoned by their own countrymen if they backed out, now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (IXrOn)

26 If only Amanda Knox was a Muslim. Then she'd get the NASA Outreach Award, like Joker and Speedbump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (olDqf)

27 Purgatorio.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (RJMhd)

28 One big @$$ sentence!

Having mastered French, maybe Ace is learning German.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2014 11:10 AM (RUvjp)

29 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 04:08 PM (GaqMa) If we don't, we should.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (PYAXX)

30 Have to admit I know nothing about this and have not followed it. Thus, I shall fap.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (U/7VF)

31 The only way to really get under the skin of the europeans, is to beat them in soccer. Then, they'll lose their minds.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (IXrOn)

32 Well, my Statist position has always been that if The State says you're guilty, you're guilty. Moo.

Posted by: Nancy DisGrace at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (7ObY1)

33 Wow. I really thought theyd find "not guilty". Never piss off a judge. Knox pissed off the judge by running to a place out of this judge's reach.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (2hTlI)

34 So much for any future back packing trips across Europe.

Posted by: Buffalobob at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (RZBmV)

35 How long before the "Amanda Knox is GUILTY!!11" tard returns? Will he make it into the first 500 comments? Enquiring Minds ™ Want To Know.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (FlRtG)

36 So Italian courts are run on emotion and evidence is just getting in the way of a good story.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (A98Xu)

37 On the subject of guilt and innocence, here's tweet from Twitchy:

Casey Anthony (murderer) - not guilty. George Zimmerman (murderer) - not guilty. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (innocent) - death penalty. #FuckTheUSA

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 11:11 AM (XUKZU)

38
Smartly she didn't go back for the re-trial which at one time IIRC she was thinking about.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (n0DEs)

39 I saw Rudy Guede' s DNA open for Gene Simmons in '84.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (g4TxM)

40 One big @$$ sentence! Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 04:07 PM (IXrOn) Meh. Amateur hour.

Posted by: Marcel Proust at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (oFCZn)

41 Looks like they just didn't learn when Patton rolled them up the first time.

Posted by: grognard at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (/29Nl)

42 Me, I don't particularly give a shit. Nice for Amanda to be safely home; sucks to be Rafael. Maybe the moral is, don't go to Italy, or, if you must go, don't whore around there. Probably sound advice in many other countries, too.

She was living there.  Yes, she had a boyfriend but that hardly qualifies as whoring around.

Besides, what's the point of traveling to a less civilized country if you're not going to whore around a bit?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (SY2Kh)

43 Sollecito was here in the US for a while. Dude was insane to go back there.

Posted by: Nancy DisGrace at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (7ObY1)

44 Sounds like the scum got the same kind of sweetheart deal Karla Hmolka got.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (wL/ra)

45

Good GRIEF.

 

Knox fell prey to one of the classic blunders:    never   get involved in a land war in Asia,  never go up against a Sicilian when death is    on the line,    and     never be accused of murder in Italy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (4df7R)

46 >>>said imaginary State Department would PNG every freaking member of the entire Italian diplomatic delegation.

Who would then be arrested for whatever unpaid tickets they have (and I'm betting they have a bunch, because they can't be arrested).<<<


*tilts head, shoots diplomat*

It's just been revoked.

Wait, what... it was just for a parking ticket? Oooh, my bad.

Posted by: Roger Murtaugh at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (ZpYz+)

47 Never piss off a judge. Knox pissed off the judge by running to a place out of this judge's reach. ********** All lawyers that practice need to learn to besse la assholio de Judgo.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (RJMhd)

48 Ugh. HLN Hag sock off.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:12 AM (7ObY1)

49 Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 04:11 PM (XUKZU) ??? Huh? I mean- I get the first two, I really do. Casey Anthony probably really is guilty of murder, and if you only followed media accounts, you'd believe George Zimmerman was, too. But Tsarnaev? To my knowledge, he's never bothered to deny the charges.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (PYAXX)

50 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (innocent)

Someone's fucking a chicken somewhere.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (RUvjp)

51 More importantly, I have a walnut banana bread baking in the oven… If only you all had the Smell-O-Vision app.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (olDqf)

52 Casey Anthony (murderer) - not guilty. George Zimmerman (murderer) - not guilty. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (innocent) - death penalty. #FuckTheUSA

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 04:11 PM (XUKZU)


------


They left out OJ.


Obviously racsist.....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (nELVU)

53 So Italian courts are run on emotion and evidence is just getting in the way of a good story.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 04:11 PM (A98Xu)

 

So what you're saying is Italy is    one big     group of Occupy 'tards, but with pasta.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (4df7R)

54 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:11 PM (PYAXX) Seems to me it'd be an easier way of sticking it to the Italians than throwing out their ambassadors. I'm not sure we have any power to tell them to stuff it other than that actually (well that and making sure Knox stays here, unextradited.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:13 AM (GaqMa)

55 Greetings: Actually, I think there is a similarity in the American justice system. My understanding is that technically one is not convicted-convicted until an appeal is forgone or ruled upon by the higher court.

Posted by: 11B40 at January 30, 2014 11:14 AM (kwsQN)

56 The only way to really get under the skin of the europeans, is to beat them in soccer.

We drew a World Cup pool that we'll never get out of.

And our coach is German.  *headdesk*

Posted by: HR at January 30, 2014 11:14 AM (ZKzrr)

57 All lawyers that practice need to learn to besse la assholio de Judgo. Noble profession. *nods sagely*

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:14 AM (2hTlI)

58 but who cares, it's Italy, and she's a Foreign Whore, and Foreign Whores must pay. Jesus, this is so stupid. At the time all this happened I had two american friends in Italy and one of my italian friends tell me, no matter what is in the US Media, Knox and her friends were the ones that did it. Only americans think that poor Amanda was railroaded because her lawyers went on TV everywhere and portrait her as that innocent victim. And I tent to believe the people that sit closer to the source than any of Knoxes shysters. And knowing the italian court system, a criminal is more likely to get off than here in the States

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 11:14 AM (RLdcX)

59 You can only be convicted-convicted if it's rape-rape. Now I gotta go get the papers, get the papers…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:14 AM (olDqf)

60 >>>Me, I don't particularly give a shit. Nice for Amanda to be safely home; sucks to be Rafael. Maybe the moral is, don't go to Italy, or, if you must go, don't whore around there. Probably sound advice in many other countries, too oh god. So many people are so determined to convict her on SOMETHING. She must have been a whore. After all, she'd had sex with seven different people in her life (by Junior year of college). And she was madly in love with this Rafael guy and having sex with him. AND, she had had one one night stand the week she came to Italy. Whore, then, and kind of guilty of SOMETHING, and really, she only has herself to blame for this.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (/FnUH)

61 Allow American cheesemakers to legally use the Parmesan-Reggiano label.

Fury will erupt like Vesuvius.

Posted by: grognard at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (/29Nl)

62 from the previous thread, once the Italian 'justice system' gets you, you stay God


pay the cop who stops you fifty Euro and smile; do ANYTHING not to get put in an Italian prison.  If he's Carabinieri ( national police force ), pay each Cara at least fifty Euro.


If you kill some during a botched burglary, claim that  Amanda Know and her boyfriend let you in the house and asked you to join in a Sex Game.



Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (omBWL)

63 Crosses visiting Italy one last time off of bucket list.

Posted by: Amanda Knox at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (cHZB7)

64 49 His nutty parents claim he was framed,I guess the nutbar believes that.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (zqvg6)

65 Seismologists who didn't predict an earthquake were convicted of attempted murder in Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (g5X0d)

66 Unbelievable. I expect that the Renaissance Studies' Study Broad in Italy travel consortium that pretty much every University participates in will become a thing of the past. Its big biz, but liability is king.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:15 AM (ZshNr)

67 stat GOT


God won't help you

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (omBWL)

68 "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it's the seriousness of the charge that matters."



Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (Pr6hk)

69 18 There are very, very few civilized countries on this planet. Italy isn't one of them. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 04:09 PM (SY2Kh) I do so love the leftist infatuation with all things European, though. Just one reason I laugh at them often and deeply. I point at myself and tell them straight faced: "Do you know that I am the reason that Europe has socialized medicine?" I point out another servicemember in uniform and say: "Him, too."

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (U/7VF)

70 >>>Jesus, this is so stupid. At the time all this happened I had two american friends in Italy and one of my italian friends tell me, no matter what is in the US Media, Knox and her friends were the ones that did it. Only americans think that poor Amanda was railroaded because her lawyers went on TV everywhere and portrait her as that innocent victim. And I tent to believe the people that sit closer to the source than any of Knoxes shysters. right, right. The Italian tabloids have delivered the true story, and the Heilmann-Zanetti report, written by judges in reviewing the case, is of course just trash for cash.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (/FnUH)

71 Actually, I think there is a similarity in the American justice system. My understanding is that technically one is not convicted-convicted until an appeal is forgone or ruled upon by the higher court.

Posted by: 11B40 at January 30, 2014 04:14 PM (kwsQN)

 

Yes, but the deal here is that she was found guilty... then innocent... and now guilty again.   Here in the states, when you're found "not guilty" they can't re-try you.   Not so in Italy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (4df7R)

72 61 Allow American cheesemakers to legally use the Parmesan-Reggiano label. Fury will erupt like Vesuvius. Posted by: grognard at January 30, 2014 04:15 PM (/29Nl) Parmesan cheese from Parma, Ohio and genuine champagne from Champagne, Illinois. Mon dieu! Ba fangoul!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (olDqf)

73 STAY got============take refresher typing class.  Drink less

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (omBWL)

74 Actually, I think there is a similarity in the American justice system. My understanding is that technically one is not convicted-convicted until an appeal is forgone or ruled upon by the higher court.

No, you are "convicted-convicted" upon being judged guilty.

There's a possibility that the conviction later gets overturned on appeal, but in the meantime you are a convict.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 11:16 AM (SY2Kh)

75 Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:14 PM (RLdcX) So what you're saying is you are discounting the lack of any evidence because someone told you they think she was guilty. Hope I'm never on trial and you're on the jury.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (7ObY1)

76
??? Huh?

I mean- I get the first two, I really do. Casey Anthony probably really is guilty of murder, and if you only followed media accounts, you'd believe George Zimmerman was, too.

But Tsarnaev? To my knowledge, he's never bothered to deny the charges.
-
Some of the others are even worse.  Check out Twitchy if your blood pressure can take it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (XUKZU)

77 More importantly, I have a walnut banana bread baking in the oven� If only you all had the Smell-O-Vision app. Have it. Check the bread. Smells like it's burning.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (xZxMD)

78 Sheesh, Ace, the only thing I think she's guilty of is bad judgement.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (60Q+L)

79 So Amanda Knox is from Seattle right? Is that an omen for Sunday? Watch the odds, Watch the odds

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (t3UFN)

80 Amanda Knox ain't Roman Polanski.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:17 AM (olDqf)

81 Having sex is legal even in Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (g5X0d)

82 Screw this. I wanna see the outtakes and bloopers reel from Mooch doing the touchdown dance for the Puppy Bowl. That girl's got moves, people!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (HsTG8)

83 77 More importantly, I have a walnut banana bread baking in the oven� If only you all had the Smell-O-Vision app. Have it. Check the bread. Smells like it's burning. Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 04:17 PM (xZxMD) No, you've locked onto my finger…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (olDqf)

84 "Maybe the moral is, don't go to Italy, or, if you must go, don't whore around there. Probably sound advice in many other countries, too " Seriously?

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (hFL/3)

85 Jesus, this is so stupid. At the time all this happened I had two american friends in Italy and one of my italian friends tell me, no matter what is in the US Media, Knox and her friends were the ones that did it. Only americans think that poor Amanda was railroaded because her lawyers went on TV everywhere and portrait her as that innocent victim. And I tent to believe the people that sit closer to the source than any of Knoxes shysters. And knowing the italian court system, a criminal is more likely to get off than here in the States Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:14 PM (RLdcX) Wow...you know people who are in Italy so....she's guitly!?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (bCEmE)

86 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:15 PM (/FnUH) I'd note that the only thing I blame her for is not running for the embassy the first time they let her go. Lesson learned for me, if ever in a foreign country, find US soil at the first hint of trouble.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (GaqMa)

87 Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 30, 2014 04:16 PM (Pr6hk)

----

Heh.... actually Hillary, Ted Kennedy said that during the Thomas hearings.... while you were dodging sniper fire... or something.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (nELVU)

88 Does Ma Bell subscribe to the Devil Sex Whore theory or the One Poo Too Many theory?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:18 AM (ZshNr)

89 She must have been a whore. After all, she'd had sex with seven different people in her life (by Junior year of college).



-<<<<<  I was such a Whore.  Do trannies count?

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (omBWL)

90 Having sex is legal even in Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 04:18 PM (g5X0d)

 

I have met various Italianos who would swear to you that Italians INVENTED sex.    

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (4df7R)

91 Someone's fucking a chicken somewhere. I've passed the baton to the morays. Take it up with them.

Posted by: The Chicken, Sore and Tired at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (PpAf4)

92 Yeah, having sex and smoking dope is something no college student has ever, ever done, ever. She must be a whore then.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (7ObY1)

93 >>> If you kill some during a botched burglary, claim that Amanda Know and her boyfriend let you in the house and asked you to join in a Sex Game. you know the prosecutors still don't have a motive. They HAD a motive-- SATAN WORSHIP SEX RITUAL!!! Which is a motive this particular prosecutor used for a lot of cases (he ordered a series of prosecutions and harassments of innocent people in the Monster of Florence case, including those of WRITERS and JOURNALISTS who were CRITICIZING him -- after all, who would criticize his Satanic Cult theory except those in the cult themselves?) But the judge ruled this theory of motive, for which there was no evidence, to be INSANE, and so the prosecution has continued on, now offering no motive at all. Amanda just suddenly decided to kill Meredith with no preplanning, and Rafael decided that was a good idea. That is not a parody; that was the ruling of motive offered by the first judge to convict them. They had no motive so they said "spur of the moment decision."

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (/FnUH)

94 I'd note that the only thing I blame her for is not running for the embassy the first time they let her go. Did they let her go once they started to question her?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (t3UFN)

95 Guilty until proven innocent... like all Republicans

Posted by: MSNBC at January 30, 2014 11:19 AM (Pr6hk)

96 90 Having sex is legal even in Italy. Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 04:18 PM (g5X0d) I have met various Italianos who would swear to you that Italians INVENTED sex. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 30, 2014 04:19 PM (4df7R) But it was perfected by the French. Especially "en cul."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:20 AM (olDqf)

97 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:20 AM (g5X0d)

98 Amanda should stay out of Italy....and Maryland.

Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 11:20 AM (HtUkt)

99 I have met various Italianos who would swear to you that Italians INVENTED sex.

They're wrong.  SATAN invented sex in 1966.

Posted by: K-K-K-Ken at January 30, 2014 11:20 AM (SY2Kh)

100 Only americans think that poor Amanda was railroaded because her lawyers went on TV everywhere and portrait her as that innocent victim. ********* Or Americans made believe differently because our justice system is different.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (RJMhd)

101 the Italian phrase for 'double jeopardy' translates as


"You f*ckin kiddin me?  Seriously, man?  You f*ckin kiddin me?  Seriously?"

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (omBWL)

102 Now I'm inappropriately (or maybe not) afraid of being arrested in another country.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (A98Xu)

103 So Amanda Knox is from Seattle right? Is that an omen for Sunday? Watch the odds, Watch the odds. Given she's successfully out of the country that seems determined to convict her, is this a karmic positive or negative for the Seahawks?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (2hTlI)

104 And I tent to believe the people that sit closer to the source than any of Knoxes shysters. Yeah. And that whole "George Zimmerman is not guilty based on self-defence?" Yeah, the jury got that wrong- because the people closest to the crime declared him guilty. Their (Italy's) own panel of judges are the ones who declared her not guilty. I'm virtually certain they weren't swayed by US Media reports.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (PYAXX)

105
She is pretty hot.

And in this situation, that is hurting her, bad. 

Being a hot chick is actually a very interesting phenomenon.  In certain ways, it greatly benefits the girl, and she gets a free ride.  However in other ways it is a big negative, as it can cause people to freaking HATE her.

I've always thought: I hope my daughters are pretty, but not too much so.

Posted by: dan-O at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (D0bIN)

106 this is a perfectly reasonable verdict.

Posted by: harry 'snapper organs' of Q division at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (Jsiw/)

107 But it was perfected by the French. Especially "en cul." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:20 PM (olDqf) ******** Na--that was the Greeks.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (RJMhd)

108 98 Amanda should stay out of Italy....and Maryland. Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 04:20 PM (HtUkt) Or parts of Ball-murr.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:21 AM (olDqf)

109 run to the embassy? think John Kerry will save you?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (l3vZN)

110 Shit. I was starting to plan a graduation trip with my kids in 2015, and we were going to start in Italy since son is learning Italian.  But I'll be damned if I give these cocksuckers any of my money.

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (aBlZ1)

111 I saw SATAN WORSHIP SEX RITUAL! open for My Life WIth The Thrill Kill Kult at the Rock and Roll Church in 1992.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (YSNKg)

112 So what you're saying is you are discounting the lack of any evidence because someone told you they think she was guilty. Hope I'm never on trial and you're on the jury. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 04:17 PM (7ObY1) No there was evidence! What I am saying is the pressure and whatever else was in play (payoffs to the appeals court) by her lawyers and the "outrage" by the american media "This sweet little girl couldn't do anything like that" is what got it overturned. But now the pressure is on from the other side. And I don't even know what the family of the murdered girl must be going through

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (RLdcX)

113 Amanda just suddenly decided to kill Meredith with no preplanning, and Rafael decided that was a good idea.


Another tragic case of the Zimmerman Syndrome.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (8ZskC)

114 107 The Greeks only for male on male.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (zqvg6)

115 And I tent to believe the people that sit closer to the source than any of Knoxes shysters. And knowing the italian court system, a criminal is more likely to get off than here in the States

Posted by: Ma Bell


One of the stupidest bits of commentary this blog has ever seen.

And, yes, I'm including drivel shitted out by the likes of JeffB, jwest, and Moo-moo in that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (cxs6V)

116 " the only thing I think she's guilty of is bad judgement." But her judgment had nothing to do with what happened. Her down stairs neighbors were the ones who knew the murderer. Perhaps the university should have had better judgment than to house coeds together off campus.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (hFL/3)

117 ... and genuine champagne from Champagne, Illinois. Mon dieu! Ba fangoul! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:16 PM (olDqf) With bouquets of soy beans and corn!

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:22 AM (E4MKN)

118 No there was evidence! Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:22 PM (RLdcX) Which was?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (bCEmE)

119 After reading up on this case, if your kid asks to go on Europe semester don't send them. I had a buddy end up in the wrong tavern, I think in greece, he unwittingly bought a round of beers for everyone and they wouldn't let him leave until he paid, cost everyone on the trip about a thousand euros.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (WdbF7)

120 So solidly on Team Fecal Rage, Ma Bell?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (ZshNr)

121 114 107 The Greeks only for male on male. Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 04:22 PM (zqvg6) ********* Okay. I blame butter and Brando then.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (RJMhd)

122 oh god. So many people are so determined to convict her on SOMETHING. She must have been a whore. After all, she'd had sex with seven different people in her life (by Junior year of college). And she was madly in love with this Rafael guy and having sex with him. AND, she had had one one night stand the week she came to Italy. Whore, then, and kind of guilty of SOMETHING, and really, she only has herself to blame for this. Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:15 PM (/FnUH) Aye. I don't get it either. On a site where many of the guys are constantly saying they would "do her." Pretty much anybody with two legs. I guess I'm a whore. And, for the record, Italian men are hot. Sexist, many, yes (I've been there -- whistles and catcalls constantly), but hot.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (IXrOn)

123 "But the judge ruled this theory of motive, for which there was no evidence, to be INSANE, and so the prosecution has continued on, now offering no motive at all." That whole means, motive, opportunity thing just reeks of...Americans.

Posted by: Italian Justice System at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (oFCZn)

124 107 But it was perfected by the French. Especially "en cul." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:20 PM (olDqf) ******** Na--that was the Greeks. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 04:21 PM (RJMhd) One morning, just after a workout at the gym, the guy shining my shoes asks me if I want something to read. Assuming it will be a "Newsweek" or "Forbes" I say yes, except he hands me a German fist-fuck magazine. I skipped breakfast that day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (olDqf)

125 No there was evidence! Can't wait to hear this. What did your friends in Italy tell you that the prosecutors didn't know about? This should be good.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:23 AM (7ObY1)

126 She wasn't whoring around.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:24 AM (E4MKN)

127 Wait a minute.  Perugia is a place?  Does Peruvia know?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:24 AM (DL2i+)

128 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college? *raises hand*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:24 AM (PYAXX)

129 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:19 PM (/FnUH)

----

so..... your'e saying the judge is related to Huckabee?????






I KEED,  I KEED

Posted by: fixerupper at January 30, 2014 11:24 AM (nELVU)

130 And yet Coulter thinks she is guilty. I would cut her out of me reading list completely, but she is one of the few sane voices on immigration.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 30, 2014 11:24 AM (LWu6U)

131 Italian men are hot Why, grazie. Grazie mille!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (7ObY1)

132 The Greeks only for male on male. Seperate the men & the boys. With a crowbar.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (xZxMD)

133 /jerkoff hand gesture

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (g7osp)

134 There is only one way to determine guilt or innocence in cases like this -- look to the Howie Carr method of jurisprudence*.

Amanda Knox = definitely not guilty



*more attractive the accused = greater level of innocence

Posted by: definitely not a lawyer at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (ZpYz+)

135 127 Wait a minute. Perugia is a place? Does Peruvia know? Posted by: DaveA at January 30, 2014 04:24 PM (DL2i+) That make Perugina Chocolate there. Or is it Peruvina Chocolate? Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (olDqf)

136 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college? Unfortunately I did more of the former than the latter. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (t3UFN)

137 No there was evidence! Name some.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (PYAXX)

138 How do you smoke dope while having sex? What are we, Tantric gurus now?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (ZshNr)

139 Nice summation, ace.  Very nicely done.

Posted by: eureka! at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (xiXna)

140 I firmly believe Knox and Sollecito had nothing to do with guiding Guede in this murder. I do firmly believe that Knox and Sollecito helped kill Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 11:25 AM (oFCZn)

141 128 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college? *raises hand* Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:24 PM (PYAXX) I fucked a real dope. Does that count?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (olDqf)

142 Hey look don't be surprised if the higher court throws it out again. Politics will be in play

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (t3UFN)

143 One morning, just after a workout at the gym, the guy shining my shoes asks me if I want something to read. Assuming it will be a "Newsweek" or "Forbes" I say yes, except he hands me a German fist-fuck magazine.

I skipped breakfast that day.


You couldn't take a ten minute break from fapping to eat breakfast?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (SY2Kh)

144
That is not a parody; that was the ruling of motive offered by the first judge to convict them. They had no motive so they said "spur of the moment decision."

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:19 PM (/FnUH)



The "justice" system in Italy is regional, nepotistic, patronistic, corrupt beyond imagination, Byzantine, and Monty Python-absurd.  ( That's being polite )



A lot of This Sh*t is about the quirks of the prosecutor, and his likely involvement with an actual ring of rich dudes for paid for very high-priced kinky-sex prostitutes---who did not want any investigation to come near them



the Objective was find a quick fall guy / girl, preferable foreign ( but not Black or only Black ), and get it over with.  Mission botched, as usual



Forget it, ace; it's Italy

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (omBWL)

145 Actually entered into evidence during her trial:

"Everyone knows American girls worship the devil, and everyone knows devil worshipping involves human sacrifice."

Ma Bell votes for conviction.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (fwARV)

146 138 How do you smoke dope while having sex? What are we, Tantric gurus now? Knox *is* pretty flexible...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (7ObY1)

147 Having sex is legal even in Italy. *** Not merely legal...mandatory... ...with weekly quotas.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 30, 2014 11:26 AM (g4TxM)

148 So where does Mike Nifong and the Womyn's Studies Dept. of Duke University stand on this?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (olDqf)

149 One morning, just after a workout at the gym, the guy shining my shoes asks me if I want something to read. Assuming it will be a "Newsweek" or "Forbes" I say yes, except he hands me a German fist-fuck magazine. I skipped breakfast that day. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:23 PM (olDqf) ************* LOL! Where the hell do you get your shoes shined? Ha! That reminds me --twas picking up this Dutch guys mail for him-- and lots of catalogs for ice popsicle butt plug thingies. What the hell? It was like pacifiers for your ass.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (RJMhd)

150 I love the standard set forth:


College age girl who has sex...whore.
College age man who has sex...????  I'm guessing you think this is perfectly ok and fine.


It's amazing to me how easily and quickly people call women a whore.  It's disgusting, frankly.  I thought we were better than this.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (GrtrJ)

151 Italy does have that one cool island, Sicily, that has as its main export mobsters.
 
We, on the other hand, tend to import ours.

Posted by: Amanda Knox at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (cHZB7)

152 I cut Coulter out of my reading for her bigotry against the Scotch Irish.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (g5X0d)

153 Actually, I should have said "stick a Nifong in her; she's done."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (olDqf)

154 Hmmm it could have been a hemorrhoid remedy.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (RJMhd)

155 and lots of catalogs for ice popsicle butt plug thingies. Those were meant for Jennifer Lawrence's house. Must've been misdelivered.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:27 AM (7ObY1)

156 Fuck Italy, it's the Mexico of Europe

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 30, 2014 11:28 AM (nTgAI)

157 I have two words for people who smoke during sex... ...KY

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 30, 2014 11:28 AM (g4TxM)

158 Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 04:27 PM (RJMhd) Maybe he had a flatulence problem?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:28 AM (PYAXX)

159 151 Italy does have that one cool island, Sicily, that has as its main export mobsters. We, on the other hand, tend to import ours. Posted by: Amanda Knox at January 30, 2014 04:27 PM (cHZB7) That's "lobsters" Miss Litella. It is? Never mind...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:28 AM (olDqf)

160 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:24 PM (PYAXX) Ditto. I did drink though.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:28 AM (GaqMa)

161 145 Actually entered into evidence during her trial: "Everyone knows American girls worship the devil, and everyone knows devil worshipping involves human sacrifice." CHE DISGRAZIA!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (7ObY1)

162 >>>But her judgment had nothing to do with what happened. Her down stairs neighbors were the ones who knew the murderer. Perhaps the university should have had better judgment than to house coeds together off campus. it was actually a private house rented primarily to college students, as it's a college town. The university had nothing to do with the house. I'm not even sure that European schools have much official campus housing. I think the normal practice is to just go to a college near your home -- I know that's the case in France, where most college students actually just live with their folks. It was just a house rented, every year, to the newest crop of students. The top and bottom floors were separate apartments but of course the boys and girls met each other. i believe the boys were all italian. I note this because it seems more likely that the italian girl roommates would have interacted with them, not the english speakers (Meredith and Amanda). One of the italian girls was dating one of the downstairs boys. This has little to do with meredith or Amanda, of course. Apart from a couple of hang-outs in the bottom apartment, their lives weren't exactly tightly intersecting.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (/FnUH)

163 149 LOL! Where the hell do you get your shoes shined? Ha! That reminds me --twas picking up this Dutch guys mail for him-- and lots of catalogs for ice popsicle butt plug thingies. What the hell? It was like pacifiers for your ass. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 04:27 PM (RJMhd) LOL! Ass-Pacifiers! Nice door prize at the next Democrat convention!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (olDqf)

164 Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 04:27 PM (GrtrJ) If it helps, the ones saying that are generally being called to task.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (PYAXX)

165 150 Pretty sure the only one who called her a whore is female.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (zqvg6)

166 What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (g7osp)

167 Amanda should stay out of Italy....and Maryland. Good advice for anyone, actually. Especially the Maryland part.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (naUcP)

168 And, yes, I'm including drivel shitted out by the likes of JeffB, jwest, and Moo-moo in that. Posted by: weft cut-loop ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now let's not get carried away...

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (LSJmV)

169 check the stats:  Almost everyone in Italy who is formally charged is convicted


deus ex prosecutorio

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (omBWL)

170 If she's not a murderer why does she wear make-up and have sex with multiple partners? Do the math, ace.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 30, 2014 11:30 AM (P1WNR)

171

It was like pacifiers for your ass.
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 04:27 PM (RJMhd)

 

My muscular glutes will never be pacified.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 30, 2014 11:30 AM (DrWcr)

172 Ma Bell's got the Ill Communication.

Posted by: Gaff at January 30, 2014 11:30 AM (jPS2y)

173 Ace,

if you could, put up a link to your earlier post detailing the problems with the trial. Some here need to read it. Like, multiple times apparently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 11:30 AM (cxs6V)

174 What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty? Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (g7osp) none and that is another thing. The Kercher family hired their own lawyers to "Help" the prosecution. That sucks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (t3UFN)

175 What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty? None. See also, State v. Zimmerman.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (PYAXX)

176 The prosecutor in the Knox case is really a piece of work, I'd like to see more info about him and his previous cases. Nifong indeed.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (A98Xu)

177 169 deus ex prosecutorio Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (omBWL) Wow, I read that as does sex with prosciutto.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (olDqf)

178 "Everyone knows American girls worship the devil, and everyone knows devil worshipping involves human sacrifice." Ma Bell votes for conviction. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 04:26 PM (fwARV) How is that different from saying every european is a socialist, all the germans are fistfuckers and nazis, greeks only fuck man on man, all british have bad teeth and…. I could go on and on. Even if Knox didn't stab and slash personally, she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (RLdcX)

179 Fiat owns Chrysler, just sayin...

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 11:31 AM (AWmfW)

180 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (olDqf) You either really need to get laid, or need to cut back. I'm not sure which.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:32 AM (PYAXX)

181 What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty? Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (g7osp) Huh? None of course.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:32 AM (A98Xu)

182 Even if Knox didn't stab and slash personally, she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX) Based on WHAT EVIDENCE!? You cray cray.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:32 AM (bCEmE)

183 Except that there is zero evidence that she was there.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:32 AM (zqvg6)

184 Zimmerman DID KILL Trayvon Martin, though. No one can dispute that. That case has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Therefore your answer is discarded.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (g7osp)

185 Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX) Uhhhh. How is it different? Well in a rational court your examples could not be entered into evidence.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (GaqMa)

186
If it helps, the ones saying that are generally being called to task. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (PYAXX)



Sorry, I'm behind.  It's been an aggravating day.  I should probably walk away.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (GrtrJ)

187 Wow, I read that as does sex with prosciutto.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (olDqf)

 

I could go for a little antipasto, IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Chris Pagano at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (DrWcr)

188 Perugis is famous for its Italian language program and it attracts a lot of foreign students. I was there but just as a tourist. Everyone misstook me for a student and tried to force me to speak Italian. I couldn't go into a gelato shop and just point at the flavor I wanted. One fucker insisted I count out my money in Italian.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (E4MKN)

189 all the germans are fistfuckers and nazis Okay, I’ll bite. At what court in the United States has this statement appeared as part of the prosecution argument?

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (QF8uk)

190 Even if Knox didn't stab and slash personally, she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder Prove. It. Cite any evidence she was there. And, back to the original point- while people might say that (mostly facetiously), it would never get entered into evidence in a trial.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (PYAXX)

191 Wow.  I never have read too much about this case.  Just knew it was effed up.  Nice concise write-up,  Ace.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (MNq6o)

192 I hate jury duty.

Posted by: Kangaroo at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (MMC8r)

193 "Apart from a couple of hang-outs in the bottom apartment, their lives weren't exactly tightly intersecting." Thanks for the clarification. I just meant that it wasn't her "whoring around" that got her roommate killed, it was just the unfortunate fact that her housemates happened to meet a psychopath.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (hFL/3)

194 The idea that the cleancut, hot Amanda Knox decided she wanted to involve a drifter/burglar low-class hobo she met only once or twice (sorry, but issues of race and class are present) in her Dirty Satanic Sex Games is... unlikely. I also don't get this whole theory. She was still in the First Love thing with Rafael. THey had met a week or eight days earlier and were inseparable. I have been in that state before, and I will tell you, the sex is plenty new enough and great enough that the idea that we have to "mix things up" to keep them "exciting" by adding a dirtbag drifter hobo and a murder into the mix strikes me as... again, unlikely. We are not talking about a married couple who could conceivably be tired of the same old, same old. These were 19 year old who had banged each other about five or six times. I really don't understand the theory that this couple would have been in the mood to "reignite the spark" with hoboes and ritual murders.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (/FnUH)

195 Not just murder. Plane crash investigations are different in Italy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zLUiLCx3vY (skip to the 41:25 mark for the legal stuff)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (h53OH)

196 There is no evidence.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:33 AM (g5X0d)

197 Sorry, I'm behind. It's been an aggravating day. I should probably walk away. Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (GrtrJ) Remember the puppy....

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:34 AM (IXrOn)

198 she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX) What fricken law school did you go to? Sandra Fluke School of Logic and Reasoning?

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:34 AM (A98Xu)

199 Che un mucchio di buffoni.

This most succinctly articulates the facts. I've never understood why they are so afraid to go after the person who is clearly a murderer and instead chase the diversion of drama.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:34 AM (GGCsk)

200 LOL! Ass-Pacifiers! Nice door prize at the next Democrat convention! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (olDqf) ******** Holy shit--I just gotta brain fart. Maybe we should send these things to Chrissy Matthews and then he might finally shut up.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 11:34 AM (RJMhd)

201 Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (g7osp) It has everything to do with your question- neither family was in any position to know.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:34 AM (PYAXX)

202 Did she confess?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 30, 2014 11:35 AM (P1WNR)

203 including those of WRITERS and JOURNALISTS who were CRITICIZING him

YOW! Are we having FUN yet?!

Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead at January 30, 2014 11:35 AM (ZKzrr)

204 Meh.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)

205 Ma Bell, seems like that Tom fellow from a while back,

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at January 30, 2014 11:35 AM (Jsiw/)

206 One fucker insisted I count out my money in Italian. Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (E4MKN) We wasa justa tryin' to helpa you. Here, take dis murder charga justa for yous.

Posted by: Italian prosecutor at January 30, 2014 11:35 AM (oFCZn)

207 LOL! Ass-Pacifiers! Nice door prize at the next Democrat convention!


"Remove Before Flight"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (8ZskC)

208 180 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (olDqf) You either really need to get laid, or need to cut back. I'm not sure which. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:32 PM (PYAXX) "ORGASM ADDICT" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nilKnYBwtAg

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (olDqf)

209 OT:

Eric Bolling filling in for Cavuto is just showing that govt. is collecting info on 991 million credit cards.

Seems legit.

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (I2cH2)

210 This case is about prosecutors saving face.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (MMC8r)

211 We are not talking about a married couple who could conceivably be tired of the same old, same old. Yeah, because old married couples always want to add dirty, drifter hobos and murder into their sex life to spice it up. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (7kkQJ)

212 You know, I like Italy In fact, not only did I live there for 6 1/2 years but worked with the carabinieri for half of that Nck's godfather is a senior care bear Pro-tip: if you are an American in Italy, don't put yourself in a position to meet the Care Bears professionally They will fuck you up bad

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (027eb)

213 *hugs artisanal 'ette*

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (GrtrJ)

214 How is that different from saying every european is a socialist, all the germans are fistfuckers and nazis, greeks only fuck man on man, all british have bad teeth and…. I could go on and on.

Even if Knox didn't stab and slash personally, she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX)

You mean besides the fact that none of that bullshit is admissible here, nevermind the fact that none of it could be used to convict?

I'm interested - upon what evidence at hand are you basing your opinion that she was an accessory?

Because so far, all you've got is "I hate devil-worshipping American girls who we all just KNOW murdered someone."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (fwARV)

215 she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX) Yeah, no. By that reckoning I'm guilty of murder if I happen to be in a place when a spree killer shows up and starts gunning down innocents.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (oFCZn)

216 Lived in Italy for seven years.
Have lived in Maryland for fifteen.

Neither one is a good place to interact with the police.
Both hate having civilians own firearms.

Maryland has I-95
Italy has the Autostrada

Maryland has Martin Owe'Malley
Italy has Kindereggs.

You decide.

And while I have your attention....
Has anyone else looked at Insty and noted the major Press based firefight going on in Texas with Abortion Barbie?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2014 11:36 AM (w3OHe)

217 Sounds like the kind of justice system Eric Holder could modernize and make really "efficient"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (o3MSL)

218 Even if Knox didn't stab and slash personally, she was there, was involved and in my book that is at least accessory to murder Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:31 PM (RLdcX) Your book? Good thing you're illiterate then.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (yz6yg)

219 oh when Rudy Guede killed Meredith he was actually homeless. Again, the idea that hot, cleancut, suburban American Amanda Knox is going to go out looking for homeless fellers to have a Sex Game with strikes me as the sort of thing that happens only in the Readers Forum of Dirtbag Homeless Pervert magazine.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (/FnUH)

220 Everyone *knows* who killed Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (g7osp)

221 Oh fuck, here we go again............ Looking forward to a cage match between Marcotte, Fluke and Knox. May the best scrunt win.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (HVff2)

222 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH) Eh, there's some low hanging fruit here, and I typed up a joke, but in retrospect that'd be mean to our host.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (GaqMa)

223 189 all the germans are fistfuckers and nazis Okay, I’ll bite. At what court in the United States has this statement appeared as part of the prosecution argument? Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (QF8uk) Bruno Hauptmann-Lindbergh Baby.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (olDqf)

224 God FROM prosecutors ---- Latin is to Italian as...................

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:37 AM (omBWL)

225 Amanda Knox is lucky she didn't run into this guy, who is in France now, I think, and free: http://www.murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sobhraj-charles.htm

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (60Q+L)

226 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college?

*raises hand* Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It


Same here.  Neither before, during or after college.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (MNq6o)

227 If Amanda wasn't there how did someone end up dead?

Posted by: Ma Hell at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (P1WNR)

228 194 The idea that the cleancut, hot Amanda Knox decided she wanted to involve a drifter/burglar low-class hobo she met only once or twice (sorry, but issues of race and class are present) in her Dirty Satanic Sex Games is... unlikely. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If this BS theory was true, in this scenario wouldn't it have been the drifter/burglar who got sacrificed? I'm going with the Judge Judy Theorem. If it sounds like bullshit, it's probably bullshit.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (LSJmV)

229 " the idea that we have to "mix things up" to keep them "exciting" by adding a dirtbag drifter hobo and a murder into the mix strikes me as... again, unlikely. " Psh. It happens, ace. But they're always secret angels just waiting to stab you once you wake up.

Posted by: Castiel at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (hFL/3)

230 I really don't understand the theory that this couple would have been in the mood to "reignite the spark" with hoboes and ritual murders.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH)


BIGOT!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 11:38 AM (AWmfW)

231 Everyone *knows* who killed Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: soothsayer

Yet another grassy knoll.  I'm seeing a pattern.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (MNq6o)

232

Foreign whores must pay?

Damn. I've been doing it wrong this whole   time.

 

Nadia - get over here,   and bring your   purse.

Posted by: Roy at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (6SqJF)

233 So, she didn't pay off the right guys. She is living with scumbags and is an arrogant twit. Someone dies. Sleep with dogs, get fleas.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (0FSuD)

234 strikes me as the sort of thing that happens only in the Readers Forum of Dirtbag Homeless Pervert magazine. Dear Out House, I never dreamed this would happen to me...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (PYAXX)

235 Did she confess? Posted by: Dr Spank at January 30, 2014 04:35 PM (P1WNR) You know, spending time reading Popehat and Volokh makes me much more suspicious of..well most confessions.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (GaqMa)

236 166 What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty? Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 04:29 PM (g7osp) ------------------------- I hate to say it, but I smell resentment. Our daughter is dead. Amanda is alive and we hate her for it. I can't judge them. God only knows the pain they've gone through. But sometimes people try to resolve the pain in strange ways. Maybe they find it easier to believe a Wicked Girl did it than to believe it was just a random act by a random thug.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (dfYL9)

237 >>I really don't understand the theory that this couple would have been in the mood to "reignite the spark" with hoboes and ritual murders. <<

They've chased the unlikely and ignored the obvious. It defies ubiquitous global investigative methods and techniques.

The fact is that evidence fully supports Rudy was the murderer. He has history and motive. Everything else is a diversion to protect people's incompetence and to continue using the Kircher family as tools in their scheme. It's disgusting.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (GGCsk)

238 Something happened in that house!

Posted by: Nancy Grace at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (0FSuD)

239 Zod wants to put his lotion in Amanda's basket.

Posted by: General Zod at January 30, 2014 11:39 AM (2+bRt)

240 College towns are a real draw for rapists. Kids are naive and friendly and easily manipulated. Doors and windows are always unlocked.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (E4MKN)

241 You know, I haven't seen an ass pounding like the one Ma Bell's lined up for since catpiss girl left...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (fwARV)

242 216. I used to wear a care bear badge under my navy one in cammies Needless to say I was treated different wherever I went But still, even without, great great place to live

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (027eb)

243 So if I was walking into a store and held the door open for the person behind me and he turned out to be a spree killer who killed a bunch of people in the same store with me present, does that make me involved and liable for murder?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (oFCZn)

244 I might be wrong, but wasn't this the retrial of the appeal trial (the second trial that does not occur in the U.S. system)? Aren't they now convicted/convicted under Italian law?

Posted by: RFR at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (FuFVX)

245 Yes, as a long time married person, I just want to say smelly hobos and ritual sacrifice killings are not on my "spice it up" list. Wait, I don't have a list. Damn it.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (A98Xu)

246 Maybe Amanda was sport-fucking the dude and got all stabby on his ass?

Posted by: Ma Hell at January 30, 2014 11:40 AM (P1WNR)

247 We are not talking about a married couple who could conceivably be tired of the same old, same old. Yeah, because old married couples always want to add dirty, drifter hobos and murder into their sex life to spice it up. ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 04:36 PM (7kkQJ) hehe. I'll have to keep that in mind a decade or so out.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (IXrOn)

248 236 Yep,that is exactly what I think.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (zqvg6)

249 Ma Bell: What are you doing!!?! I was betting on the "Amanda Knox is GUILTY!!11", from the last Amanda Knox Thread Series, to be the one to stir things up. S/h/it was fun to beat on.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (FlRtG)

250 @243 Depends on the store. and if you are white or black.

Posted by: Nancy Grace at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (0FSuD)

251 Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 04:39 PM (0FSuD) She's living with other college students. My Italian is a little rusty (read: nonexistent), but I'm pretty sure that "College student" is not translated as "scum bag."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (PYAXX)

252 243 It would if you whored around.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (g5X0d)

253 Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 04:40 PM (027eb Dear Joe, you are treated differently everywhere you go, just saying. Love, The Packer Nation.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (HVff2)

254 You know, I haven't seen an ass pounding like the one Ma Bell's lined up for since catpiss girl I left Provincetown... Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 04:40 PM (fwARV) FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (yz6yg)

255 Since this was a new trial, isn't she and Rudy entitled to another appeal?

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:41 AM (E4MKN)

256 Not to let the Italians off the hook, but our own criminal justice system has judges and prosecutors that aren't exactly squeeky clean.  We have a share of our own unbelievable verdicts in this country.

Posted by: Cheri at January 30, 2014 11:42 AM (G+Wff)

257 >>What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty? <<

You can't blame them. They have been led astray by people they've trusted. The family has allegedly been given information which is the basis of their conviction. God only knows what lengths the investigators have gone to in order to protect their own asses.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:42 AM (GGCsk)

258 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college?



*raises hand*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It


Same here. Neither before, during or after college.

Posted by: Dang

Whoa!  Wait!  I'm pretty sure I had sex after college and marriage.  I have kids.  Pretty sure.  *checks photos in wallet*  Yeah,  pretty dang sure. 

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:42 AM (MNq6o)

259 241 You know, I haven't seen an ass pounding like the one Ma Bell's lined up for since catpiss girl left... Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 30, 2014 04:40 PM (fwARV) Oh she's around....saw her a couple of days ago on a dead thread. 'think' was her last nic.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:42 AM (bCEmE)

260

243 So if I was walking into a store and held the door open for the person behind me and he turned out to be a spree killer who killed a bunch of people in the same store with me present, does that make me involved and liable for murder?<<<

 

Use the  Holder test - did you donate to Obama's campaign (no), otherwise (yes).

Posted by: Roy at January 30, 2014 11:42 AM (6SqJF)

261 AMANDA: That was hot. RAFAEL: That was hot. This is so great. I banged you twice today. AMANDA: I'm so in love with you it's hot. RAFAEL: It's so hot. AMANDA: BUt... RAFAEL: What? AMANDA: You know what would make this hotter? RAFAEL: No, tell me. AMANDA: A hobo, a knife, and a victim. RAFAEL: Holy Shit, you totes read my mind.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (/FnUH)

262 Alright enough. Everytime something like this stupid issue comes up some of you decide to be typical anonymous internet shitbags. Because someone holds a different opinion from the tiny bubble majority here at AoS it gives you an excuse to vent frustration. Go punch a pillow or something, you weenies.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (g7osp)

263 I can't imagine wanting to go to Italy after having seen how their judicial system operates.  There's one of many ancestral homelands you can cross off the visit list.

Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (i+Vw2)

264 Which of you never smoked dope or had sex in college? My pot smoking days were over by the time I was a senior in high school and as far as sex, I was too busy working in the theatre department to be having sex.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (7kkQJ)

265 Has Ma Bell tried to support her accusations yet? No?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (8ifMA)

266 Use the Holder test - did you donate to Obama's campaign (no), otherwise (yes).

Posted by: Roy at January 30, 2014 04:42 PM (6SqJF)

 

I think the first question would be "Are you white?"

Posted by: Insomniac at January 30, 2014 11:43 AM (DrWcr)

267 My Italian is a little rusty (read: nonexistent), but I'm pretty sure that "College student" is not translated as "scum bag." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:41 PM (PYAXX) So, you've never been to Berkley huh?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (0FSuD)

268 267 posts and nobody has said "I'd hit it"?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (GGCsk)

269 So if I was walking into a store and held the door open for the person behind me and he turned out to be a spree killer who killed a bunch of people in the same store with me present, does that make me involved and liable for murder?

Clearly right-wing hate.

Posted by: MSNBC at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (ZKzrr)

270 Because someone holds a different opinion from the tiny bubble majority here at AoS it gives you an excuse to vent frustration. Go punch a pillow or something, you weenies. Dude, "different opinion" and "complete inversion of logic" are not synonymous.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (yz6yg)

271 265 Has Ma Bell tried to support her accusations yet? No? Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 04:43 PM (8ifMA) Frantically searching 'Amanda Knox is guilty!!!eleventy!!!' sites.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (bCEmE)

272 The fact is that evidence fully supports Rudy was the murderer. He has history and motive. Everything else is a diversion to protect people's incompetence and to continue using the Kircher family as tools in their scheme. It's disgusting.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 04:39 PM (GGCsk)


Has Knox ANY history of doing any violent crime, or her then boyfriend?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (AWmfW)

273 a dude is in prison, convicted of killing Kerchner.  He confessed, but for a reduced sentence he claimed that he was not a burgler-rapist but invited in to join Amanda and Raffi-boy in demented lethal sex torture, and other tabloid-ish adventures.



and they smoked dope; Amanda did a cartwheel, and if Hot; she and Rafi did The Nasty ( more than once ).  The actual killer is African, so the Guilt must be spread around


but northern Italy is beautiful, Summer and Winter.  Venice in nice in Spring and Fall.  so there's that.....


Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (omBWL)

274 We have a share of our own unbelievable verdicts in this country. Yes, but our system is specifically designed to limit them. The jury system is remarkably good at "getting it right." We also have the prohibition against Double Jeopardy which means (unlike in Italy), Prosecutors don't just get to keep re-trying the same case until a jury gets "the right answer."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:44 AM (PYAXX)

275 >>>Yeah, because old married couples always want to add dirty, drifter hobos and murder into their sex life to spice it up. ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 04:36 PM (7kkQJ) i didn't mean that, of course. I just mean if the theory is that these people wanted a dirty sex game to keep it hot, it would be a necessary prerequisite that the current sex was NOT hot. It's just not possible this happens in the first week of a torrid, sillyheaded love affair. It's not possible. It could happen years later. Maybe. But the first week? No.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:45 AM (/FnUH)

276 And stuck in this nightmare are Kercher's parents.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (DmNpO)

277 I was too busy working in the theatre department to be having sex. Posted by: FenelonSpoke

You probably could have gotten a government "arts" grant if you had sex on stage.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (MNq6o)

278 >>RAFAEL: Holy Shit, you totes read my mind. <<

The absurdity is so mind boggling the script writes itself.

Who would believe that story? Are Italians that bored and gullible?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (GGCsk)

279 IMHO, I think for the most part the Italian justice system works pretty damn well over all I liked it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (027eb)

280 Prosecutors don't just get to keep re-trying the same case until a jury gets "the right answer." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:44 PM (PYAXX) Yeah, I've been meaning to talk to you about that.

Posted by: Eric Holder[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (yz6yg)

281 >>A hobo, a knife, and a victim. Sounds like a moron.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (g1DWB)

282 So basically this Rafael guy is SOL?

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (GSIDW)

283 We also have the prohibition against Double Jeopardy which means (unlike in Italy), Prosecutors don't just get to keep re-trying the same case until a jury gets "the right answer." Good thing that doesn't apply to elections!

Posted by: Gov Gregoire[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (8ifMA)

284 If it's still the same prosecutor behind this the dude is certifiable. I mean bat shit crazy.

Posted by: Adam at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (Aif/5)

285 I was too busy working in the theatre department to be having sex. ??? My understanding (from people I personally know who were theater majors) is that you were doing it wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (PYAXX)

286 Many never get to a trial though Allen,people get bullied into taking a plea deal.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 11:46 AM (zqvg6)

287 Everytime something like this stupid issue comes up some of you decide to be typical anonymous internet shitbags.

Posted by: soothsayer


Get a mirror.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 11:47 AM (cxs6V)

288 Guilty of Murder by Proximity and Whoring Around but mostly due to Whoring Around!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 11:47 AM (oFCZn)

289 Maybe the prosecutor is Angela Corey's Italian twin?

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2014 11:47 AM (GSIDW)

290 Greetings: One of the subtexts of going to Catholic schools in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s was the "war" between those of Oyrish and those of Eye-talian heritages. Or, as my father explained to me "With them Eye-ties, what isn't an opera is a vendetta".

Posted by: 11B40 at January 30, 2014 11:47 AM (oHWj4)

291 What it  all sounds like is, "let's convict a  filthy American" trial.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 11:47 AM (5PeyL)

292 I didn't mean that, of course. I know you didn't mean it, ace. That's how it came out.. :^) It's o.k. it was good for a laugh. If I want to spice it up I stick the hobos in the shower first. :^) I also know what you actually did mean.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (7kkQJ)

293

What weight, if any, do you allow for the Kercher Family's belief that Miss Knox is guilty?

 

I just read an Italian paper (with the help of google translate, it's been too many years since I used to scopare with an Italianette), and Kercher's sister said "we will accept any verdict.  We just want to know what happened that night".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (A0sHn)

294 I can't imagine wanting to go to Italy after having seen how their judicial system operates. There's one of many ancestral homelands you can cross off the visit list.

Posted by: Cato

 

I have to disagree. I lived in Italy for 3 1/2 years and it is a beautiful country with very friendly people.  You don't want to screw around with their police forces but I would say the same in many countries and parts of the USA.

Posted by: Cheri at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (G+Wff)

295 >>>Has Knox ANY history of doing any violent crime, or her then boyfriend? no. Rafael is a Harry Potter geek (as is Amanda). This is of course evidence that they were Satanic Cultists. But apart from the Evidence of the Philosopher's Stone, no, neither had any history, before or since, of any criminal activity. Amanda had a boyfriend she loved before going to Italy. He himself was going to China or Japan or something. Rather than go through the long-distance thing, they agreed that they would break up, and maybe get back together when they were back in America. Anyway, that boyfriend - sometimes a friend, sometimes a boyfriend-- has stuck by her through all this and declared every claim to be absolutely insane. If Amanda wanted to kill people as part of a Satanic Sex Game, she forgot to tell her former multi-year American boyfriend about this itch she needed to scratch.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (/FnUH)

296 You're damn right I ordered the Code Red! Oops, wrong case.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (g4TxM)

297 I see the "Cheerio Tweeter" was fired....prolly get a gov. job.....maybe IRS head.

Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (HtUkt)

298 I was too busy working in the theatre department to be having sex. Posted by: FenelonSpoke That's funny, because all the theater types were complete freaks at my school. Then again Janeanne Garofalo was a year behind me…and a theater type.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (yz6yg)

299 OT but the Republican illegal immigration outline has been released. Lets take this place to eleventy!!!!!

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (g1DWB)

300 I fucked a real dope. Does that count?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Ow.

Me, too, unfortunately.

Posted by: Dianna at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (DV/Ik)

301 And stuck in this nightmare are Kercher's parents. One of the 'Rons said they hired Lawyers to assist the prosecution. If that's so, my sympathy is... minimal. Obviously my sympathy over the murder of their daughter is not lessened, but my sympathy over them being "stuck in this nightmare" is.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (PYAXX)

302 I was too busy working in the theatre department to be having sex.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Theatre chicks are cray cray.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (WdbF7)

303 They won't extradite Knox but poor Rudy is stuck there in prison for decades. How fucked is that?

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 11:48 AM (E4MKN)

304 but northern Italy is beautiful, Summer and Winter. Venice in nice in Spring and Fall. so there's that..... Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 04:44 PM (omBWL) The Italian Riviera is nice, too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (IXrOn)

305 One of the subtexts of going to Catholic schools in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s was the "war" between those of Oyrish and those of Eye-talian heritages. Or, as my father explained to me "With them Eye-ties, what isn't an opera is a vendetta". I've heard in some three letter agencies it's Catholics v Mormons.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (8ifMA)

306 On a serious note, wasn't there some element of Booosh! involved in this prosecution? This all went down when there was a lot of Booosh! crap going on in Europe. It was petty ass way of getting back at Booosh! or something.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (oFCZn)

307 290 "With them Eye-ties, what isn't an opera is a vendetta". Ohhhhh, I'm so stealing that

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (027eb)

308 Dude. True story. I was in Italy last summer on business and after one drink an Italian female colleague starts rubbing my leg. But she never said- "hey, let's make this more intriguing, how do you feel about a hobo threesome and some  murder action?

Of course it sounds much more appealing in Italian.

It was pretty much the same when I lived there years ago. It is just the Italian way. Eat, drink, copulate.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (GGCsk)

309 Under mine and Eric's stewardship, our justice system will one day be as good as the Italian one.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 30, 2014 11:49 AM (Dwehj)

310 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:48 PM (/FnUH) I dunno ace, are we sure she didn't play any video games? I'm told those make people random murders.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:50 AM (GaqMa)

311 Frantically searching 'Amanda Knox is guilty!!!eleventy!!!' sites. Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2014 04:44 PM (bCEmE) I am not searching jackshit. It's good to know that because I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy, I must be a nutcase, get an "asspounding" as someone here puts it or am a "troll". And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 11:50 AM (RLdcX)

312 One of the 'Rons said they hired Lawyers to assist the prosecution. If that's so, my sympathy is... minimal. Obviously my sympathy over the murder of their daughter is not lessened, but my sympathy over them being "stuck in this nightmare" is. *** They have been victimized every bit as much as the Knox and Solecitto. Can you imagine what they have endured in the course of persuading them of Knox's guilt?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 11:50 AM (DmNpO)

313 I probably wouldn't like Amanda Knox much, not because of her smoking some pot or having sex with guys she doesn't know that well---don't care---but because she strikes me as the kind of Seattle twit who believes in AGW and Coexist bumper-stickers. Yup. Spoiled rotten (just by being American) and naive enough to think the whole world is n-i-c-e. But this whole notion of her being into sex-and-violence and a crazed, bloodthirsty killer is beyond ridiculous. The girl was n-i-c-e, vanilla-kumbaya nice.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (dfYL9)

314 Because someone holds a different opinion from the tiny bubble majority here at AoS it gives you an excuse to vent frustration.

Go punch a pillow or something, you weenies.


Says the guy who bitches about the blog or it's content every five minutes.

Why not just leave?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (SY2Kh)

315 Theatre chicks are cray cray.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand

Had some classes in the art building and you could spot the drama chicks a mile off.  All loud and "outgoing."  No thanks.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (MNq6o)

316 It is just the Italian way. Eat, drink, copulate.

Then pray.

Posted by: Syph and The Clap at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (Dwehj)

317 I liked it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 04:46 PM (027eb)



American military personnel stationed in Europe are treated differently than American tourists and ex-pats and exchange students.  As obvious as that is, it needs to be stated ( to you ). 

Posted by: Momma Said There'd Be Days Like This at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (omBWL)

318 And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:50 PM (RLdcX) What the hell website have you been visiting?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (GaqMa)

319 >>>Dirtbag Homeless Pervert magazine

My shoeshiner gave me one of those once.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 30, 2014 11:51 AM (IN7k+)

320 >>And stuck in this nightmare are Kercher's parents. <<

If I were them, Rudy's intestines would be draped over the Fountain of Trevi.

Then, there would be no doubt as to my guilt or innocence and they would have something to take up their boredom.

Bonus I could sit in an Italian "prison: for the rest of my life, eat pasta and drink wine.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (GGCsk)

321 I am not searching jackshit. It's good to know that because I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy, I must be a nutcase, get an "asspounding" as someone here puts it or am a "troll". And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss Try bringing some logic a bit more substantial than "I KNOW people, maaan."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (8ifMA)

322 Knox obviously covered her tracks like W. covered his after 9-11.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (MMC8r)

323 Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:50 PM (RLdcX) Difference of opinion != difference of fact. You said "there was evidence." Present some. Or admit that the evidence which *has* been submitted simply doesn't matter to you, and you've convicted her simply because you want her to be guilty.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (PYAXX)

324 Sounds like a top notch DA. He could be on my staff any day, if I had one.

Posted by: Mike Nifong at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (0FSuD)

325 So, basically, their entire case was that Amanda Knox was secretly Karla Homolka?

Posted by: Castiel at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (hFL/3)

326 I feel so bad for the boyfriend.

Posted by: Lea at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (lIU4e)

327 You know,  Italians are the ones who started that whole dick-in-the-pizza-box thing.

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (MNq6o)

328 So, let's start a "Boycott Italy!" thing.. it will be fake, of course.. but maybe it would catch on...  If we could get enough "Likes" on Facebook, it would really piss off the Italians.

If those fucking sick/lost/cute dog pictures can get a million likes, we can too!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 11:52 AM (Z7PrM)

329 AMANDA: You know what would make this hotter? RAFAEL: No, tell me. AMANDA: A hobo, a knife, and a victim. RAFAEL: Holy Shit, you totes read my mind. Ace is just jonesing for a hobo hunt.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 11:53 AM (xZxMD)

330 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:46 PM (PYAXX) Eh, people have this stereotype about theatre majors. I was reading Thomas Aquinas and Augustine for fun when I was a theatre major. ;^) I also went to a single sex school, which cut down on the opportunities for frolic unless you wanted to hop in a car-which I didn't have-and travel with a bunch of people you didn't know- for a road trip

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 11:53 AM (7kkQJ)

331 Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 04:52 PM (MMC8r) I hear she's the next super-criminal on NBC's "The Blacklist."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 11:53 AM (GaqMa)

332 Wait. Is the prosecutor related to Erick Holder?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:54 AM (GGCsk)

333  Under mine and Eric's stewardship, our justice system will one day be as good as the Italian one.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 30, 2014 04:49 PM (Dwehj)

 

 

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I want to laugh but I can't.  All I can do is cringe.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 11:54 AM (5PeyL)

334 Ace is just jonesing for a hobo hunt. --- In Italy hobos hunt you.

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2014 11:54 AM (GSIDW)

335 I am not searching jackshit. It's good to know that because I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy, I must be a nutcase, get an "asspounding" as someone here puts it or am a "troll". ===== Your belief in her guilt is BASED ON WHAT?! You claim there was evidence but have yet to tell us all what that evidence was. And 'because I have friends in Italy' is not evidence of her guilt. Specifically....what.evidence?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 11:54 AM (bCEmE)

336 How many more must die before Europeans finally rid their toilets of those ridiculous shit-shelves?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:55 AM (ZshNr)

337 I say let's take up a collection and hire Xe or whatever they are called these days to break out Rafael...

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:55 AM (GGCsk)

338 Knox obviously covered her tracks like W. covered his after 9-11.

Word.

Posted by: Petey Carroll at January 30, 2014 11:55 AM (Dwehj)

339 317. I was the American liaison with the carabinieri As such I was deputized and carried a carabinieri badge and could arrest civilians Saved many many drunken non military idiots On the other hand, I have escorted several people to Naples and Rome to turn over for Italian trials

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:55 AM (027eb)

340 How many more must die before Europeans finally rid their toilets of those ridiculous shit-shelves? I thought that was mostly Germany.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 11:55 AM (8ifMA)

341 If 'Hobo Murder Three-way' was a thing, there'd be porn about it, wouldn't there?

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 11:56 AM (MMC8r)

342 >>> I probably wouldn't like Amanda Knox much, not because of her smoking some pot or having sex with guys she doesn't know that well---don't care---but because she strikes me as the kind of Seattle twit who believes in AGW and Coexist bumper-stickers. true. And yet, as you acknowledge, this is hardly a reason to convict her for murder. She was a granola eating space cadet -- not because of drugs, but because she was just spacy, off in her own little world. The Italian girls thought she was strange because she would just sing to herself. So she was a little spacy and strange. But not like Evil Strange, like goofy strange.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 11:56 AM (/FnUH)

343 Check out the pic of Amanda in NY Slime. She pregnant or just FAT? http://tinyurl.com/l6mw9sm

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 11:56 AM (0FSuD)

344 Eh, people have this stereotype about theatre majors. Mine isn't a "stereotype" it's based on empirical evidence. One of the guys I've been friends with since 3rd Grade was a Theater major, as were a couple other of our friends. I've heard... stories. Especially about Strike Parties.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 11:56 AM (PYAXX)

345 How's Boner's Amnesty taste?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 11:56 AM (ZPrif)

346 Knox obviously covered her tracks like W. covered his after 9-11.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 04:52 PM (MMC8r)

 

They used mind control rays from HAARP to make Guede commit the murders.

Posted by: Jesse Ventura at January 30, 2014 11:57 AM (DrWcr)

347 Lets take this place to eleventy!!!!! Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 04:48 PM (g1DWB) HA! My favorite place here. Seriously, it's when shit gets real….real funny.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 11:57 AM (A98Xu)

348 What the hell website have you been visiting? Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 04:51 PM (GaqMa) heh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 11:57 AM (IXrOn)

349 Is there an Italian version of Cheerios?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 11:57 AM (/o+xv)

350 I wonder if any of the Italian Restaurants hereabouts have bidets. I need to express myself.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 11:57 AM (g5X0d)

351 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 04:56 PM (PYAXX) What can I tell you. I led a boring life as a Theatre Major. ;^) That and I am a introvert.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 11:58 AM (7kkQJ)

352 I don't know if Ma Bell kidnapped and killed the latest Amber Alert kid, but I know she was there. Why else would she be trying to steer the conversation towards her own online persecution? To prevent us from solving the real murder!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:58 AM (ZshNr)

353 Have the Dems ever done anything like Boner is doing with Amnesty? It's ... crazy, right? When Pelosi controlled the House did she ever offer to pass some long-sought, but long-denied, right-wing legislation?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

354

The world is weird where  an   Amanda Knox can be convicted and  a  Casey Anthony can be found not guilty.     

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 11:58 AM (m2CN7)

355 I am not searching jackshit. It's good to know that because I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy, I must be a nutcase, get an "asspounding" as someone here puts it or am a "troll".

And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:50 PM (RLdcX)


So you're the one who can name call others?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Why would knox suddenly want to kill people?

The Hobo robber was the only one with history and motive and confession.



Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 11:58 AM (AWmfW)

356 On the bright side, Italian cops would rather beat the living hell out of you and leave you on the sidewalk than arrest you Been there done that... Naples '88

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (027eb)

357 I don't know if Ma Bell kidnapped and killed the latest Amber Alert kid, but I know she was there. Why else would she be trying to steer the conversation towards her own online persecution? To prevent us from solving the real murder! Makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (yz6yg)

358 Why did the boyfriend come back to stand trial? Couldn't he have hidden out somewhere without an extradition agreement with Italy?

Posted by: Castiel at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (hFL/3)

359 Yeah, it's Germany, the Benelux, and shitty hostels all over. Worst design I've ever seen.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (ZshNr)

360 Is there an Italian version of Cheerios? All they have is Kaboom.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (naUcP)

361 295 -- That's the thing. People who get off on violent sex don't start by killing room-mates out of the blue. They start with smaller games and move up. Amanda's former partners, as well as Rafael's, describe these kids as pure, sweet vanilla.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (dfYL9)

362 >> I probably wouldn't like Amanda Knox much<<

Is liking them a prerequisite for sex or for a two on one murder scheme?

Who knew?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (GGCsk)

363

And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:50 PM (RLdcX)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

You haven't experienced shit until you've experienced the wrath of Ace.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (5PeyL)

364 I say let's take up a collection and hire Xe or whatever they are called these days to break out Rafael... Where's Donetello, Leonardo, Michealangelo, & Splinter?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (xZxMD)

365

Italy

 

Come for the romance

 

Stay for the Murder Conviction

Posted by: McCool at January 30, 2014 11:59 AM (nCSwS)

366 So she was a little spacy and strange. But not like Evil Strange, like goofy strange. Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:56 PM (/FnUH) Sounds autistic. Hey wait...Adam Lanza! Boom there it is the evidence! Where's my Italian law degree?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (oFCZn)

367 This would be like Pelosi in 2005 offering to, I don't know, outlaw public sector unions.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

368 Why did the boyfriend come back to stand trial? Couldn't he have hidden out somewhere without an extradition agreement with Italy? Decided life in an Italian prison was better than wherever he'd been hiding out? Believed that "the innocent have nothing to fear" BS?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (PYAXX)

369 If 'Murder She Wrote' is accurate, I think Clu Gulager did it.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (MMC8r)

370 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:56 PM (/FnUH) They convicted Zoe Deschanel?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (GaqMa)

371

@274 We also have the prohibition against Double Jeopardy which means (unlike in Italy), Prosecutors don't just get to keep re-trying the same case until a jury gets "the right answer."

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Actually, so does Italy.  According to Wiki (I just checked), ever member of the European Community (with five exceptions - and Italy is not one of them) has signed a treaty that forbids, among other things, double jeopardy.

 

Of course, you can sign all the treaties you want, and they won't mean a thing if you don't also have a certain degree of Rule of Law in place.

 

Posted by: junior at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (UWFpX)

372 A little wine, a little cheese, a little sex and the next thing you know- boom! Hobo murder scheme, with rage.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:00 PM (GGCsk)

373 Amanda's former partners, as well as Rafael's, describe these kids as pure, sweet vanilla. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 04:59 PM (dfYL9) Wellll….that's not necessarily dispositive. Think about how many times you've heard what a "sweet, gentle kid" the latest mall shooter was.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 12:01 PM (yz6yg)

374 New York State passes anti-boycott legislation Bill proposed by Democratic state senator passes chamber, if signed into law will prohibit New York universities and colleges from paying dues to ASA and other academic organizations that boycott Israel Good for them Cuomo might sign it, but I bet di blasio os gonna be pissed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 30, 2014 12:01 PM (t3UFN)

375 Eh, people have this stereotype about theatre majors. Mine isn't a "stereotype" it's based on empirical evidence. Empire of Jeff?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:01 PM (xZxMD)

376 Sounds like the Italian legal system works as flawlessly as their economy.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:01 PM (MMC8r)

377 Amanda's former partners, as well as Rafael's, describe these kids as pure, sweet vanilla...intercourse machines.

FIFY

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:02 PM (GGCsk)

378 Did you know that many famous Italian painters and inventors were named after the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (g5X0d)

379 If you believe Knox is guilty because everyone in Italy and England told you they think she's guilty, without looking into and considering the actual evidence in the case, you are at the very least an intellectual lightweight and in all likelihood an utter moron (and not the good, vodak-drinking kind).  Sorry to hurt your feelings, but that's truth.

Posted by: not the mama at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (5dxeo)

380 Italy is a very moral country.

Posted by: Old Man in Whorehouse at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (exFew)

381 Posted by: junior at January 30, 2014 05:00 PM (UWFpX) Obviously the don't forbid Double Jeopardy- or they wouldn't have been able to re-try. The original order declaring her "not guilty" didn't order a retrial, it simply demolished the prosecution's case and declared Knox and this Rafael kid innocent.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (PYAXX)

382 349 Is there an Italian version of Cheerios? Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 04:57 PM (/o+xv) Well played. Weren't both the other people involved Black?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (0FSuD)

383 How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (exFew)

384 Think about how many times you've heard what a "sweet, gentle kid" the latest mall shooter was. Yeah, it’s usually from their mother. Meanwhile, their friends are saying “That guy was nuts. Oh, and also a Democrat.”

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (QF8uk)

385 If you believe Knox is guilty because everyone in Italy and England told you they think she's guilty, European Trayvon Supporters.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:03 PM (MMC8r)

386 There is an element of Occam's Razor that should be applied here: 1) The spacey, hot American girl (with I am assuming no history of violent crime) with her new boyfriend decided to include a complete stranger in a satanic sex ritual on the spur of the moment. 2) The complete stranger (WITH a history of violence), when caught, implicated two people who had been there in hopes rampant anti-Americanism would let him slide by concocting a wild, intricate, yet spur of the moment story. I think I can see which one is simpler.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 30, 2014 12:04 PM (TGgNi)

387 I'm smart! Not like everybody says... Like dumb. I'm smart, and I want respect!

Posted by: Fredo Perugia at January 30, 2014 12:04 PM (ZbVc6)

388 <<How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian?>>

Cazzo coniglio

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:04 PM (GGCsk)

389 How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:03 PM (exFew)

 

Fuck-a Bunny.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 30, 2014 12:04 PM (DrWcr)

390 Been there done that... Naples '88

Posted by: Navycopjoe

 

I saw that while on a date in Rome 1990.  Two Caribinieri beat the shit out of two British guys suspected of snatching purses.  We all stood there and watched and after it was over, the police just calmly walked off while lighting their cigarettes.

Posted by: Cheri at January 30, 2014 12:04 PM (G+Wff)

391 Funny joke: n a shift for the party, Republicans are blessing a pathway to legalization for those who came into the country illegally. It does stress, though, that undocumented immigrants will have to go through the current immigration system and learn about the United States. Criminals will not be eligible for legalization. “These persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits),” according to a draft of the document.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:05 PM (ZPrif)

392

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:56 PM (/FnUH)

 

ace  you  need to quit feeling the need to defend  every insult  made against  pot smokers.   She  was also spacy as a result of smoking the weed.   Just like every other true pothead.    And no that in no way supports  any reason to think she is guilty. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:05 PM (m2CN7)

393

"he ordered a series of prosecutions and harassments of innocent people in the Monster of Florence case, including those of WRITERS and JOURNALISTS who were CRITICIZING him -- after all, who would criticize his Satanic Cult theory except those in the cult themselves?)"

 

Good lord, that was the same judge???

Posted by: Lea at January 30, 2014 12:05 PM (lIU4e)

394 383 How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian? Punta?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:05 PM (0FSuD)

395 Say what you want about the Prosecutorial team from Perugia, their chocolates are divine.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:06 PM (exFew)

396 “Finally, none of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers have been implemented to fulfill our promise to the American people that from here on, our immigration laws will indeed be enforced,” the document says.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:06 PM (ZPrif)

397 >>>When Pelosi controlled the House did she ever offer to pass some long-sought, but long-denied, right-wing legislation? <<<



Almost makes ya wonder what the Left has on Boehner (like Justice Roberts) that makes him do these inexplicable things.

At the same time, I truly pray that the more conservative bloc has something too, that they could use to leverage him their way. But alas, maybe the Left just has better dirt.

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (I2cH2)

398 She was also spacy as a result of smoking the weed. Just like every other true pothead. I dunno, most of the true potheads I know, it's kind of a chicken-egg thing...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (naUcP)

399 342----She was a granola eating space cadet -- Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:56 PM (/FnUH) ---------------- That's it! It's a certain type ---and a nice, sweet type really. Well, as long as you don't talk politics. But even then, not hostile or mean like a lot of leftists. The kind of lefty that really does want to buy the world a Coke....or rather, an herbal tea.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (dfYL9)

400 391 Funny joke:

n a shift for the party, Republicans are blessing a pathway to legalization for those who came into the country illegally. It does stress, though, that undocumented immigrants will have to go through the current immigration system and learn about the United States. Criminals will not be eligible for legalization.

“These persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits),” according to a draft of the document.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 05:05 PM (ZPrif)

 

Hi-fuckin-larious.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (DrWcr)

401 In 85 I had sex on the Fountain of Trevi steps and the Carabiniere walked right on bad.

Funny part was my flat was about 200 feet away.

Oh and we didn't go on a murder spree afterwards.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (GGCsk)

402 >>>Good lord, that was the same judge??? same prosecutor, yes. He was the prosecutor at the first trial and through the appeals. I do not think he is the current prosecutor in this latest prosecution. (But I'm unsure of that last thing.)

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (/FnUH)

403

...in the mood to "reignite the spark" with hoboes and ritual murders.

 

 

 

We've  all  been  there  at  one  time  or  another  and  isn't  that  in  the  AoSHQ  bylaws? 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (rXcBX)

404 Chuck Schumer has said he's happy to see the Repubs have seen the light.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:07 PM (ZPrif)

405 I'm-a no-a like-a da way-a you-a look. Colpevoli!

Posted by: Italian Judge at January 30, 2014 12:08 PM (Dwehj)

406 "How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian?"

Yo mama mia

Posted by: der der at January 30, 2014 12:08 PM (H+j7N)

407 A picture of Rudy Guede might be helpful in putting it all together.

Posted by: aquaviva at January 30, 2014 12:08 PM (wFinq)

408 So is this a case of "jungle fever" gone wrong? That's what I am thinking, not that I would know.

Posted by: Nicole Brown Simpson at January 30, 2014 12:08 PM (0FSuD)

409

Amanda Knox is Italy's George Zimmerman.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 12:08 PM (5PeyL)

410 My experience with French and German police suggests that they are not too protective of tourists who are being/have been wronged by locals.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 30, 2014 12:09 PM (aDwsi)

411 If everybody who smokes pot is now actively considering hobo murder schemes it is just one more argument against legalization. Just sayin...

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:09 PM (GGCsk)

412 379 If you believe Knox is guilty because everyone in Italy and England told you they think she's guilty, without looking into and considering the actual evidence in the case, you are at the very least an intellectual lightweight and in all likelihood an utter moron (and not the good, vodak-drinking kind). Sorry to hurt your feelings, but that's truth. Posted by: not the mama at January 30, 2014 05:03 PM (5dxeo) What evidence did you see? The one the the pundits on TV discussed? The one that the paid experts discussed. They haven't seen any more or less than me? I never said I have seen anything, nor do I consider myself an expert. I relied on accounts I got, just like anyone here. So I think she is guilty, that's my opinion. Don't like it? Fuck it, I don't care

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 12:09 PM (RLdcX)

413 Murder is bad.  Mkay?

Posted by: Kevin at January 30, 2014 12:09 PM (guvk8)

414 Hmmm, you know, I don't think Sardinia had hobos Maybe that's why me and T never went to a stabbing spree Location, location, location

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (027eb)

415 Amanda Knox is Italy's George Zimmerman. Not even that. Zimmerman DID shoot him. Knox is someone inside the apartment it took place outside of.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (MMC8r)

416 This could actually end up being very interesting. Obama gave Interpol effective Diplomatic Immunity a couple years ago... and we are still part of that system. Add in an extradition treaty with Italy? And the Need to cooperate for the neverending War on Terror??? Bet there will soon be both a reward for her arrest... AND a move to extradite... with a little Interpol Cowboy thrown in.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (84gbM)

417 I am not searching jackshit. It's good to know that because I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy, I must be a nutcase, get an "asspounding" as someone here puts it or am a "troll".

And here I believed this was a place where it was alright to disagree without being bombarded by name calling, which doesn't bother me unless you compare me to catpiss

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 04:50 PM (RLdcX)

 

So you base your opinion on the cherry picked information you get from others rather than looking at the actual evidence yourself.  Guess that's just too much hard work.

 

And don't worry that isn't enough to get you labeled a troll.   But it does certainly compound with your behavior towards gushka in the past to label you a stupid unlikeable idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (LI48c)

418 Maybe Repubs are playing 10th dimension jiu-jitsu here. Claiming they want to pass Amnesty and just hold up forever in negotiations with Schumer and Reid and Obama so it never actually happens, but they can claim they were trying to? trying to be hopeful

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (ZPrif)

419 401 In 85 I had sex on the Fountain of Trevi steps and the Carabiniere walked right on bad. Funny part was my flat was about 200 feet away. Oh and we didn't go on a murder spree afterwards. Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 05:07 PM (GGCsk) You know the rules, pictures or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (0FSuD)

420 I dunno, most of the true potheads I know, it's kind of a chicken-egg thing...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 05:07 PM (naUcP)

 

No denying that you may be correct.  But since its the chicken - egg thing we may never know  for sure.   I'm  thinking though  at the least it makes you more spacey. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:10 PM (m2CN7)

421 Obama says he's pro free trade and has the US Trade Rep constantly negotiating and meeting with possible trade partners. He just never actually passes any new trade deals.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (ZPrif)

422 Doubling down on the stupid. Who knew Wendy Davis posted here, huh?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (yz6yg)

423 Could  the  MSNBC  idiots  be  a  type  of  hobo  and  therefore  legal  to  cull?  I'm  asking  for  a  friend.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (rXcBX)

424 Too bad this Rudy guy doesn't live in LA. He would be a fitting replacement for Waxman.

Posted by: Aviator at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (DI+ja)

425 380 Italy is a very moral country. Posted by: Old Man in Whorehouse

If only ace could reposition this to #22

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (DL2i+)

426 Murder: Number Two, a Lifetime Exclusive Presentation.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 12:11 PM (ZshNr)

427 362 >> I probably wouldn't like Amanda Knox much<< Is liking them a prerequisite for sex or for a two on one murder scheme? Who knew? Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 04:59 PM (GGCsk) ------------------------- I don't understand your point. MY point was that my firm belief that she is innocent has nothing to do with my liking her.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (dfYL9)

428 She was a druggie? Whoa Italy really REALLY hates druggies Get caught dealing and it's mandatory life

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (027eb)

429 Obama doesn't argue against Free Trade much. He just has a lot of busy work done by the trade office that doesn't every advance the free trade agenda.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

430 Ma, I think you may be relying on the original and deeply flawed/fucked case which found her guilty. A great deal of information has been released since that time and the prosecutor is now known to be a corrupt, evil sonofabitch. A change in the known facts requires at least a consideration of innocence.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (DmNpO)

431 >>You know the rules, pictures or it didn't happen.<<

It was 85'. There were no smartphones.

Just think, today I would be a You tube hero.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (GGCsk)

432 410 I can understand that to an extent. But there is home team favorability and then there is this. This seems more like next level quackery.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (TGgNi)

433 CATHY MCMORRIS-ROGERS LOVES A HARD ITALIAN SALAMI IN HER SQUEAK HOLE ON THURSDAYS.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (Cs2tJ)

434 411 If everybody who smokes pot is now actively considering hobo murder schemes it is just one more argument against legalization. Just sayin... You people talk about hobo murder as if it's wrong. Just call it "hunting" that's HQ approved.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:12 PM (0FSuD)

435 I believe Knox is guilty and base my opinion on things that I heard from friends in Italy Possible star witness?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:13 PM (exFew)

436 What evidence did you see? The one the the pundits on TV discussed? The one that the paid experts discussed. They haven't seen any more or less than me? I never said I have seen anything, nor do I consider myself an expert. I relied on accounts I got, just like anyone here. So I think she is guilty, that's my opinion. Don't like it? Fuck it, I don't care

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 30, 2014 05:09 PM (RLdcX)


You think Zimmerman was out hunting black toddlers?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 12:13 PM (AWmfW)

437 Ace, You know you've got bro love (c'mere, gimme hug... hey!  where you goin?)

But no one gives a shit about amanda knocked up.

No one.  Really.  No one.

OKokok... amanda does.  but it ends here and now.

Don't make me stop this car.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:13 PM (x3YFz)

438 GOP pretty much has totally surrendered on the moral argument though. GOP now officially believes the illegals deserve to become citizens. Hard to walk back from that concession.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

439 I going to Italy and find that murdering fucker!

Posted by: OJ at January 30, 2014 12:14 PM (0FSuD)

440 I'll translate her Italian supporters writings for you as I am fluent in Italian...........Eha She no a Killa da woman. Thata spiceh meataballa. Glad I could help the Horde.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:14 PM (/o+xv)

441 Did I just see a troll get zapped or is it my micro-stroke again?

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 12:14 PM (KXm42)

442 Whoa Italy really REALLY hates druggies Get caught dealing and it's mandatory life Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 05:12 PM (027eb) Ever been to Singapore?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 12:14 PM (bCEmE)

443 They have a legal term for shit you heard other people say. It's called hearsay.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 12:15 PM (g5X0d)

444 What evidence did you see? The one the pundits on TV discussed? The one that the paid experts discussed. They haven't seen any more or less than me? I never said I have seen anything, nor do I consider myself an expert. I relied on accounts I got, just like anyone here. So I think she is guilty, that's my opinion. Did you hear the part where the police found no DNA from Knox or Sollecito at the crime scene? But they found plenty from Guede? Or is that just the opinion of "paid experts" maaaan?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:15 PM (8ifMA)

445 You think Zimmerman was out hunting black toddlers? Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 05:13 PM (AWmfW He wasn't??? Oh. That's very different. Never mind.

Posted by: Angela Corey[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 12:15 PM (yz6yg)

446 394 383 How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian? Punta? -- delet the n

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2014 12:15 PM (GSIDW)

447

http://tinyurl.com/ml2tsu8

 

In the original trial it was contended that the knife seized from Sollecito's apartment had Knox's DNA on the handle and Kercher's on the blade.  It was the only piece of forensic evidence linking Knox to the brutal murder of British student Meredith Kercher on November 1, 2007 in Perugia Italy.  In the appeal it was found during retesting that there was no DNA belonging to Kercher on the blade; today the re-trial confirmed this finding ruling the knife out as evidence.

 

It is worth mentioning that the knife in question never fitted all of  Kercher's wounds and this meant one of two things:

1)It was not the murder weapon as a smaller knife could have made the wounds in question;

2) It was one of two murder weapons.

 

...

 

I asked Moore if there were any credible witnesses who could be called.

 

Moore: "The only witness who hasn't been proved insane or irrelevant is Rudy Guede's cellmate, who testified that Rudy told him that he alone killed Meredith.  All the witnesses from the original trial have been discredited."

 

In the trial of Rudy Guede, found guilty for his involvement in a fast track trial in 2008, the judge stated that more than one person was involved, how do you address that, I asked Moore?

 

"The evidence absolutely rules out more than one killer. This is no longer a judgement call. This is a fact.  There is no physical way for more than one person to be involved in a bloody murder and its aftermath, and have the physical evidence of only one of the killers (in this case Guede) show up, with the complete exclusion of the other or others. It is impossible. Purely and simply impossible."

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (LI48c)

448 All Americans deserve free lawn care!

Posted by: Weeping Boner at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (Dwehj)

449 Italians don't have a word for 'hearsay'.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (exFew)

450 Did I just see a troll get zapped or is it my micro-stroke again?

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 05:14 PM (KXm42)

 

You saw it.  The TB3K is working fast today.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (DrWcr)

451 CNN Wolf Blitzer: Gov Deal, you apologized today. What took so long?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (g7osp)

452 .

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (DmNpO)

453 She was also spacy as a result of smoking the weed. Just like every other true pothead. Or, she's a creative type. I wouldn't go 0/1 on this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (IXrOn)

454 ...and a barrel.

Posted by: Weeping Boner at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (Dwehj)

455 441. Yep Even saw a public caning there It was awe inspiring Chicago needs those

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 12:16 PM (027eb)

456 How do you say get in the barrel in Italian?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (exFew)

457 buzzion to the barrel. buzzion to the barrel

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (yz6yg)

458 Tune in tonight, I have special guest, Mike Nifong, to discuss murder prosecution in Italy.

Posted by: Nancy Grace at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (0FSuD)

459 What's Italian for "buzzion's turn in The Barrel"?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (DrWcr)

460 GOP pretty much has totally surrendered on the moral argument though. GOP now officially believes the illegals deserve to become citizens. Hard to walk back from that concession. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 05:14 PM ..............Seems like there's a little pushback from some conservative house members but I don't know if it will be enough. But this is how stupid they are. If they had half a brain they would have at least waited to fuck us over until AFTER the midterms. Not the DOP.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (/o+xv)

461 Italians in the thread.




Yay.

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (KXm42)

462 Shouldn't this whole thread have been Italicized, anyway?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (exFew)

463 445 394 383 How do you say Fuck Bunny in Italian?

Punta?

--
delet the n

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2014 05:15 PM (GSIDW)

This spanish to italian lesson brought to you by AoSHQ.  Pick up a complimentary napkin and swizzle stick on the way out.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (x3YFz)

464 Where's Amish? It's a kick the lawyers in the nads thread.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (DmNpO)

465

Stop. STOP. Everybody stop.

 

I'm way behind here ... but I swear I just read ace say he's been in that First Love Thing with Rafael state.

 

And fresh off the BCochran bromance yesterday ? Now I'm no Italian Prosecutor ... but those dots are just begging for connection.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (QryZ9)

466 All loud and "outgoing." No thanks. Depends. Some people in theatre are actually introverts. They just enjoy exploring the shadow side of their character without actually doing anything wrong, or it's easier to play someone else and be extroverted than to be extroverted in real life. But yes, more people in theatre-at least the acting part tend to be extroverts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2014 12:17 PM (7kkQJ)

467 How do you say get in the barrel in Italian? Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:17 PM Ebarilla.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:18 PM (/o+xv)

468 Someone stole my damned sombrero.

Posted by: Weeping Boner at January 30, 2014 12:18 PM (Dwehj)

469 Italians in the thread. Yay. Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 05:17 PM (KXm42) Where's the gelato?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:18 PM (IXrOn)

470 455 How do you say get in the barrel in Italian? Youa fucked.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:18 PM (0FSuD)

471 461 Shouldn't this whole thread have been Italicized, anyway?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:17 PM (exFew)

I'd have gone all caps, but hey... eh....

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:18 PM (x3YFz)

472 In Italy it's called, "Hearhandsay."

Posted by: hand solo at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (H+j7N)

473 And fresh off the BCochran bromance yesterday ? Now I'm no Italian Prosecutor ... but those dots are just begging for connection. Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 05:17 PM (QryZ9) Cochran? Bromance? What did I miss?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (GaqMa)

474 M bell, having an "opinion" and airing it here is going to result in responses. If your opinion is ignorant and/or based on something some random goofball told you, those responses are not going to be polite. But by all means keep fucking that chicken.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (lLwfW)

475 Not even that. Zimmerman DID shoot him.

Knox is someone inside the apartment it took place outside of.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 05:10 PM (MMC8r)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

I didn't mean it in that sense.  It just sounds like Italy is going to convict her no matter what the evidence to the contrary suggests.   Just like Zimmerman, the  state is in a prosecutorial frenzy.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (5PeyL)

476 Damned Italics ruin everything.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (g5X0d)

477 I think I'll have pizza and a Greek salad for dinner tonight.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (DmNpO)

478 All loud and "outgoing." No thanks. The ones you invite to parties. So, you don't have to be.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (IXrOn)

479 So Ma Bell please tell us.  Did your Italian friends tell you that the only piece of forensic evidence that linked Knox to the murder has been thrown out?

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (LI48c)

480 It's a kick the lawyers in the nads thread.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 05:17 PM (DmNpO)



Oh, I'm just in time then...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (yh0zB)

481 All this wop talk is making me hungry for some spicy meatballs.

Posted by: Speedy at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (0FSuD)

482 Cochran? Bromance? What did I miss? *** It was a lovely, touching moment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (DmNpO)

483 468. My house Freezer is loaded with Haagen Daz lemon gelato

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (027eb)

484  

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (4WhSY)

485 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (xZxMD)

486 Just like Zimmerman, the state is in a prosecutorial frenzy. Are you not entertained?!??!

Posted by: Commodus[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (yz6yg)

487 I hope student hubs like Perugia, even Florence, are ready for a lot fewer Americans, a lot more of whoever replaces them in the student-cost housing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (ZshNr)

488 I come from Italy The sky is sunny It's a nice-a place A nice-a place And if you think The way I talk is funny Shut up-a you face shut up-a you face Murder is something we no like-a It's not-a nice It's not-a nice So blame some hot Americana Cause she's-a whore A dirty-a whore Vespa, vespa A motor-a bike for sport Kang-a roo-a That's-a Italian court And if-a you want-a justice Just-a open up-a you hand And give-a bunch-a money To the nice-a judge-a man!

Posted by: With Apologies to Allen Sherman at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (0cMkb)

489 I don't get why some of you are getting nasty on the personal side of Ma Bell, when she is expressing a different opinion on this issue. Beat her opinion to death, but really it doesn't have to rise to troll-bashing levels.
 
Ma has been posting here for quite a while.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (cHZB7)

490 Moral Panic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (4YooD)

491 488 I don't get why some of you are getting nasty on the personal side of Ma Bell, when she is expressing a different opinion on this issue. Beat her opinion to death, but really it doesn't have to rise to troll-bashing levels.

Ma has been posting here for quite a while.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 05:22 PM (cHZB7)

Our friends in Italy tells us too, dont blame us.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (AWmfW)

492 CATHY MCMORRIS-ROGERS RIDES A VESPA WITH NO SEAT.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (Cs2tJ)

493 Gnu ... If someone expects to calmly express and discuss their opinions in a non-confrontational manner, this probably ain't their kind of place.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (QryZ9)

494 Ma has been posting here for quite a while.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 05:22 PM (cHZB7

 

And has been extremely nasty to other commenters accusing them of making up stories and lying.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (LI48c)

495 Uh-oh.  Was some uppity bitch mean to the God-king  again.



Creepy cult is creepy.



Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (KXm42)

496 Lawyers and journalists are the same everywhere, even in "Being Bombed By Democrats Always Makes Everything Better Especially If It Murders A Lot Of Women And Children" Italy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (4YooD)

497 493 Uh-oh. Was some uppity bitch mean to the God-king again.



Creepy cult is creepy.



Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (KXm42)


Whut?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (AWmfW)

498 88 Does Ma Bell subscribe to the Devil Sex Whore theory or the One Poo Too Many theory? In her case, it's the attractive popular women are dirty lying whores theory. She'd be right at home on mr. I see orgies every where's prosecution team.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (BBkBi)

499 Knox is guilty. Doug Preston has a beef with the first prosecutor in the Knox trial in an unrelated matter in which Preston was investigated for planting evidence in the Monster of Florence case. He is pro-Knox because he hates the prosecutor.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (lxmGT)

500 There was no evidence Guede broke into the house thought that window. That window as high above the ground and an illogical path of entry as there were other windows lower down and one was not visible from the road. The grass was not trampled, the wall had scuff marks, there was no glass on the ground as should have been as he would have knocked some off as he kneeled on the ground. The glass was also found on top of the clothes which doesn't make sense if the room was ransacked by Guede. NOthing was stolen in the room or the rest of the house so it was a staging. The boyfriend's DNA was found on the victim's bra clasp. His bloody footprint was found on the mat in the bathroom. Knox's blood was mixed with Meredith's in several spots which means they were bleeding at same time. One of these spots was in the room where the staged burglary was and neither of them should have been in this bedroom especially while bleeding at the same time.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (lxmGT)

501 Knox also falsely accused a black man of the crime of which she was found guilty in all 3 trials including the first appeal. What innocent person accuses another innocent person. SHe also said she was at the house while this innocent black man raped the victim, when her boyfriend broke her alibi about being at his house. She had knowledge of the victim's rape and that she screamed before this was known by police.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (lxmGT)

502 Looks like the troll Tom Sawyer got a new name and hash.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (LI48c)

503 Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH)

Granted it isn't likely, but there have been very young thrill kill couples.

But most of them exhibited signs before they went off.

BTW IMO Knox ain't all that in the looks dept. She's young and that always goes a long way. (and it gets longer and longer)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (LSDdO)

504 Does everyone in the entire world know about this case and have an opinion? I think I read one article, by Ann Coulter, and the comments section was brutal to her.

I also read The Monster of Florence by Doug Preston, but I was in Russia at the time, and I honestly do not remember the section about Knox very well at all.

So, no opinion.

Posted by: Dianna at January 30, 2014 12:45 PM (DV/Ik)

505 Posted by: Marcus T at January 30, 2014 04:34 PM (GGCsk)

Asked and answered.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 12:45 PM (LSDdO)

506 http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page This website covers the evidence against Knox and her boyfriend in a comprehensive way in a Wikipedia format. Knox's prints were found in the house with Luminol. That means there was a cleanup. The prints matched her foot dimensions. AManda Knox's bedroom lamp was found in the victim's room. Evidence of a cleanup. No blood on the floor in the bathroom leading up the mat where Raffef's bloody print is, the heel is missing from that print. Evidence of a cleanup.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (lxmGT)

507 ... aaannd, the troll makes it in, just under the wire, at 497.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (FlRtG)

508 Trolling is talking about Amanda Knox on an Amanda Knox thread? You are weird.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (lxmGT)

509 Can you make a case for Amanda Knox without calling names? Crickets, so far.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (lxmGT)

510 Oh yeah that's definitely that obsessive idiot Tom Sawyer.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (LI48c)

511 Also, Rudy Guede was never convicted of burglary or even brought to court for it. He stayed overnight in a school in another town and he said somebody told him he could stay in here. Regardless that isn't proof he broke into this house and an experience burglar doesn't pick the most illogical spot to break in a house, especially one he is familiar with. He's going to pick the path of less resistance with limited expose to sight and sound witnesses.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (lxmGT)

512 buzz you seem obsessed with somebody. why don't you go post on another thread and actually contribute something. Are you actually interested in anything? How am I offending you?

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (lxmGT)

513 Remind me again what Tom's.... I mean, the Architect's, views were on the Duke and Zimmerman cases?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (Je4ME)

514 Dead Horse, Some of you guys trying to force what happened on Duke Lacrosse case to this case. They are nothing alike. THe prosecutor in the original trial is an anti-mafia trial which means he's the man in Italy. Do you think he is Nifong? C'mon man

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 12:59 PM (lxmGT)

515 In Duke Lacrosse, 3 innocent white men were accused by black woman. In this case, a white woman accused an innocent black man of a crime, right after her boyfriend broke her alibi that she was at his house all night. Amanda Knox = black girl in Duke Lacrosse You are missing the correct analogy.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (lxmGT)

516 513 In Duke Lacrosse, 3 innocent white men were accused by black woman.

In this case, a white woman accused an innocent black man of a crime, right after her boyfriend broke her alibi that she was at his house all night.

Amanda Knox = black girl in Duke Lacrosse

You are missing the correct analogy.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:01 PM (lxmGT)


Who was the innocent black man?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (AWmfW)

517 Same DNA expert who found Guede's DNA in the bedroom is the one who found Knox's boyfriends DNA on the victim's bra clasp. She also found Knox's DNA on the handle and Meredith's DNA on the blade of a knife found in the boyfriend's kitchen drawer. So it can't be argued she kknows what she is doing as it pertains to the black guy but all of a sudden she's clueless regarding Knox and the boyfriend.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:06 PM (lxmGT)

518 TOM SAWYER GET THE FUCK OUT THIS BLOG NOW

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (ZEvg7)

519 Her boss, a bar owner. He sat in jail for 14 days until they found Guede's DNA. Knox never recanted her false accusation. SHe claims the cops hit her in the head to forced her to accuse this bar owner of the murder even though they had no idea who he was other than Knox sent him a text that said "See you later" a few hours before the murder after he texted nott to come into the bar because nobody was there. The cops were asking obvious questions about the meaning of her text.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (lxmGT)

520 See, Tom, the point is that you don't seem particularly interested in crime drama, nor injustice, just this case in particular. Kind of an obsessive, actually.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:13 PM (DmNpO)

521 Who was the innocent black man?
Orenthal James Simpson

Posted by: zombie Johnnie Cochran at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (Ua6T/)

522 The case is interesting. One reason is most of the American media is biased for the American girl. We know the media is biased and lazy in this country. Yet most of you believe the media and this writer Doug Preston who had a previous beef with the Knox prosecutor and basically trying to discredit the prosecutor who investigated him but mostly his co-authorfor a crime. His co-author is facing 3 criminal charges right now. He is going to go to jail most likely and it isn't a freedom of speech thing.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:15 PM (lxmGT)

523

515 Same DNA expert who found Guede's DNA in the bedroom is the one who found Knox's boyfriends DNA on the victim's bra clasp. She also found Knox's DNA on the handle and Meredith's DNA on the blade of a knife found in the boyfriend's kitchen drawer.

So it can't be argued she kknows what she is doing as it pertains to the black guy but all of a sudden she's clueless regarding Knox and the boyfriend.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:06 PM (lxmGT)

 

Looks like the troll can't read.  I pointed out up thread that the knife that had Knox's DNA on the handle was thrown out during the appeals because testing proved the victim's DNA was not on the blade.  They tried to introduce it again and it got thrown out.

 

The troll is arguing with debunked disqualified information.  What a shock.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:17 PM (LI48c)

524 OJ was guilty. Trayvon Martin was guilty. Duke lacrosse girl was a liar. Knox is guilty. If a white person accused an innocent black person of a crime in this country, everybody would think the white person is guilty. See Susan Smith. Italy isn't Iran or some 3rd world country. People saying that are wrong and probably have no knowledge of Italy and their justice system.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:17 PM (lxmGT)

525 517 Her boss, a bar owner. He sat in jail for 14 days until they found Guede's DNA.

Knox never recanted her false accusation. SHe claims the cops hit her in the head to forced her to accuse this bar owner of the murder even though they had no idea who he was other than Knox sent him a text that said "See you later" a few hours before the murder after he texted nott to come into the bar because nobody was there. The cops were asking obvious questions about the meaning of her text.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:08 PM (lxmGT)


I just read that the Italian crack police also say she confessed she helped him .

Why would she confess that but accuse an innocent man when she could have accused Guede? It does sound like a falsified confession.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:18 PM (AWmfW)

526 the recent appeals did not confirm victim's DNA was not on the blade. It didn't even look at that sample on the blade again. It tested another sample at the handle right where it meets the blade which was supposed to tested in the previous appeals. That had more Knox DNA on the handle. You are not even remotely informed on this case.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (lxmGT)

527 If a white person accused an innocent black person of a crime in this country, everybody would think the white person is guilty. See Susan Smith.

Italy isn't Iran or some 3rd world country. People saying that are wrong and probably have no knowledge of Italy and their justice system.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:17 PM (lxmGT)


How do you explain that the police also say she confess that she helped him?

Why would she do that if she know who killed her?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:20 PM (AWmfW)

528 How would she know Guede was there unless she was? Also she is worried GUede could convince the police that she was there and commited the murder. Prisoner's dilemna Why did she say she heard the victim scream and that she was raped? SHe added additional info that a forced confession wouldn't be seeking.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (lxmGT)

529 Troll doesn't want to admit that there was no DNA on the blade.  Troll doesn't want to admit that the Knife was thrown out as evidence.  Troll doesn't want to admit that the Knife he wasnts to be the murder weapon was determined to not be the cause of the victims stab wounds.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (LI48c)

530 She can slay me anytime.  Hubba hubba!

Posted by: Foxie Knoxie at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (+8e79)

531
Why did she say she heard the victim scream and that she was raped? SHe added additional info that a forced confession wouldn't be seeking.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:21 PM (lxmGT)


How do you know that? If they try to frame her , they try to undermine her.


And what was her motive?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (AWmfW)

532 Keep in mind Knox wasn't even called into the police station. Her boyfriend was, and she tagged along with him even though she claims she was tired that night. If the plan was to intimidate into a confession, why didn't they call her in? She just panicked when her boyfriend broke her alibi. It is also curious that she accused a black man given Rudy was black and there aren't many blacks in Italy and those were probably the only 2 she knew there. That is a big coincidence in my opinion. She was probably hoping they would find evidence of a black man, maybe she thought DNA would point to a black man but they wouldn't know who.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (lxmGT)

533 Her motive is she's got mental illness and she had some jealousy of the victim who was better looking and more popular and smarter. There's also evidence she was doing drugs, most likely cocaine. She had drug dealer phone numbers in her cell phone and one of them went to prison for drug dealing later on. The two had clashed over Knox bringining strange men to the cottage all the time and the victim probably called her a slut at some point.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (lxmGT)

534 Victim DNA on the blade in a scatch. It was a new sample tested in the recent trial in a different location on the blade right at the handle. Knox's DNA in abundance. Keep in mind the other Knox DNA on the handle was where you would grip a knife for a stabbing action rather than a cutting action for food preparation.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (lxmGT)

535 Yep definitely the same obsessed troll.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (LI48c)

536 Sorry, Knox lied and lied and changed her story multiple times. Then there was her sickening spectacle of embarking on a passionate makeout session with her boyfriend in full view of the police, just after they arrived at the crime scene. Don't let her looks snow you.

Posted by: Victoria at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (rDidp)

537 Victoria I appreciate the backup. Who knew discussing a legal case would anger people who disagree. She doesn't even look good in my opinion.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (lxmGT)

538 Knox and her boyfriend were caught on CCTV in a clothing store buying a G String 24 hours after the murder. They were being really sexual and talking about going to have hot sex. Who does that after a horrific murder of their roommate?

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (lxmGT)

539 531 Her motive is she's got mental illness and she had some jealousy of the victim who was better looking and more popular and smarter. There's also evidence she was doing drugs, most likely cocaine. She had drug dealer phone numbers in her cell phone and one of them went to prison for drug dealing later on.

The two had clashed over Knox bringining strange men to the cottage all the time and the victim probably called her a slut at some point.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:27 PM (lxmGT)


Eh , the victim wasnt better looking. 

And why would she be jealous if she was attracting all these strange men?

It just doesn't fit.




Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (AWmfW)

540 Another big lie Knox told is she took a shower that morning after the murder. In photos you can see her hair is dirty and the police said she smelled like BO. She also told one of the roomates she didn't take a shower. It would have been weird if she had taken a shower b/c she came home and the door was opened and the victim's bedroom door was locked. She said she saw the blood in the bathroom at the point but she then takes a shower? lol

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (lxmGT)

541 Temper, Check out that website if you are open minded: http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page. You should read Knox's written declaration to the police. that doesn't sound forced to me. lol it would have been much more cryptic than that if police were forcing it. She tries to have it both ways, Patrick is guilty but he might not be.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (lxmGT)

542 534 Sorry, Knox lied and lied and changed her story multiple times. Then there was her sickening spectacle of embarking on a passionate makeout session with her boyfriend in full view of the police, just after they arrived at the crime scene.

Don't let her looks snow you.

Posted by: Victoria at January 30, 2014 06:32 PM (rDidp)


It's more amazing that the Italian police has failed in recording anything in the interrogations.  Why ?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (AWmfW)

543 Architect you are so full of shit and a sexually obsessed twat, too. Ace said that she went out and bought a pair of underpants becaise she was barred from entering her apt by the police. Are you calling Ace a liar?

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 01:43 PM (E4MKN)

544
You should read Knox's written declaration to the police. that doesn't sound forced to me. lol it would have been much more cryptic than that if police were forcing it. She tries to have it both ways, Patrick is guilty but he might not be.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 06:42 PM (lxmGT)


Oh , so theres a "forced confession" style guide ?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (AWmfW)

545 SHe bought a G- String too And they were acting sexed up so much it caught the store owners attention and gave it to the police. It was shown in court. It is weird behavior. Not just buying underwear. I never called Ace a liar, he's wrong about this case b/c his main source is Doug Preston and a website called INjustice in Perugia. I'll debate Ace if he wants to debate.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (lxmGT)

546 I would love to see that.  Too bad we won't get to see you whining after ace would ban you for your obsessiveness and continued usage of false evidence that was thrown out of court.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (LI48c)

547 Forced confessions are usually done by really dumb people. Knox is an aggressive girl and not one that is easily scared into something. She isn't the shrinking violet she wants to be portayed as. Consider this: She shows up in court in one of the first hearings 6 years ago wearing a beatles All YOu Need Is Love. lol that doesn't seem like she's real scared of Italian justice. I would have been in Sunday best if I was scared and even if I wasn't b/c it is a serious matter.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (lxmGT)

548 If I get banned I get banned. I have no control over that. I am good natured and on topic. You've been hostile and just say troll over and over in sentences. Few people even posting on here, if I was here to troll I would hit the threads with maximum people on it. That is the fun trolling, seeing how people you can work up as possible. I'm obviously sincerely interested in this case. I'm not posting anywhere else but this thread so I'm self contained. I don't follow politics much anymore because all the news sucks and I have no control. I rather not get angry about stuff I can't control.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (lxmGT)

549 So the store clerk gave the g-string she allegedly bought to the cops??? Youi're so full of shit. And yeah, you are calling ace a liar.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (E4MKN)

550 no, the CCTV video they watched it in court. ACe is wrong about this case because he's reading incorrect information. Most of the American media just basically repeats Knox family's claims. It isn't like they have much prescene in Italy. DO you believe the media reports are always accurate and they aren't lazy? Would suprrise me if you are a conservative. I've already told you Doug Preston is biased b/c he hated that prosecutor. Just trying to demonize the prosecutor using the Amanda knox as his proxy.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (lxmGT)

551 ok I made my case and not here to upset anybody here is this excellent website with all the evidence against Knox. if you are open minded check it out http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (lxmGT)

552 BTW nobody would have believed a guy if he claimed he was beat by Italian police. Knox just exploited her gender and some people fall for it. The boyfriend broke her alibi and said she wasn't there. If she wasn't there, where was she? She had a key to her cottage, obviously so reasonable to assume she was there. She still claims she was at the cottage. Why would the boyfriend say otherwise.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (lxmGT)

553 oops, I meant she still claims she was at her boyfriend's apartment even after boyfriend said otherwise.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (lxmGT)

554 You made no case. You lied your ass off. You are a troll.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (E4MKN)

555 Yes, there was some very damning circumstantial evidence: Amanda waiting at the local shopkeeper's door on opening the next morning to buy up all his liquid bleach; she was on camera gleefully smooching with the boyfriend while the body was being carried out; she ID'd a local black man until he proved his alibi, she claimed to have stayed at the boyfriend's that night (later retracted) and, of course, she initially confessed. So it's not all clear cut innocence, folks.

Posted by: artemis at January 30, 2014 02:21 PM (2XMD1)

556 Why do I need to lie about it? She was found guilty today. SHe's lost 2 out of 3 trials. In Italy you get an automatic appeal trial even if first trial was conducted correctly. So she can't complain about Italian justice. the first appeal trial was annulled by their Supreme Court because it was not conducted correctly or even legally. Annulled means the whole thing was thrown as garbage. In that trial an experienced criminal casel judge was mysteriously replaced by a civil court judge at less second who had no murder trial experience. The criminal case judge resigned as result of that because it was an insult. Knox's boyfriend rich daddy bought a fixed trial in the 1st appeal. That judge was forced to retire after the trial.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (lxmGT)

557 553 Yes, there was some very damning circumstantial evidence: Amanda waiting at the local shopkeeper's door on opening the next morning to buy up all his liquid bleach; she was on camera gleefully smooching with the boyfriend while the body was being carried out; she ID'd a local black man until he proved his alibi, she claimed to have stayed at the boyfriend's that night (later retracted) and, of course, she initially confessed. So it's not all clear cut innocence, folks. Posted by: artemis at January 30, 2014 07:21 PM (2XMD1) All bullshit.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (E4MKN)

558 You need to lie because you obviously have a personality disorder.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 02:54 PM (E4MKN)

559 Judge Pug, No offense but I sound more logical than you do. You seem like you have anger issues. Not rational to get angry over a fricking legal case. It is ok to disagree with Ace on something. You seem like bit of a brown noser / suck up. I've independently researched this and I've been interested in the case for 5 years and Ace just got interested last year or so.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 02:57 PM (lxmGT)

560 You appear to be a conspiracy nut, too.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 02:57 PM (E4MKN)

561 lol you guys are the one who think Italy framed Amanda Knox, some 20 year old bimbo and wanted her to accuse some nobody bar owner of murder. That is the conspiracy theory, that all the police, legal system, her roommates, various witnesses, the interpreter at the police station, etc were all out to get Amanda Knox, 20 year old bimbo, simply because she's American or a slut or a female. Italy isn't Iran and American has extradition to Italy because we think they have a just legal system comparable to ours.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:00 PM (lxmGT)

562 You have spent the better part of two hours commenting on a long dead thread on a political blog where about 99 percent of the readership has abandoned the thread. So yeah, I'd say you might have some mental issues.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (ZNIRz)

563 BTW Italy has 1/7th the incarceration rate than America. Their sentences are also much more leniet. Knox gets life and possibly the death penalty in the states. This was a heinous murder and she only got 28.5 years.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (lxmGT)

564 Paul I wish I could be more like you. Angry dude on the internet. lol Why does it bother you what I do? COntrol freak much?

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:03 PM (lxmGT)

565 "Nobody is on this thread but I'm going to take the time to biatch about you posting on here" Paul, Angry Man on The Internet.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:04 PM (lxmGT)

566 Yeah, seven more comments after signing off, but I'm the angry guy. Night sweetums.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 30, 2014 03:07 PM (ZNIRz)

567 Paul WHy don't you go do something else. SOme of you guys live on here. Funny you are critizing me for posting on here one day. You need to do something about your rage issues. Take some Klonopin.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:08 PM (lxmGT)

568 pokes head in points at retard laughs runs away

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 03:17 PM (MMC8r)

569 You showed me. lol You guys can't debate this case. Obviously you are reading the comments though. You guys are like liberals who can't debate anything. I expect this treatment on Huffington post not a leading conservative blog

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:20 PM (lxmGT)

570 http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page For the open minded people here, if there are any. Good to read/hear the case for guilt in a comprehensive way before reaching an opinion.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:22 PM (lxmGT)

571 >> You guys can't debate this case. Obviously you are reading the comments though. You ARE the show, Architect.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2014 03:23 PM (Ua6T/)

572 A girl I knew in college was stabbed to death numerous times and they never found the killer. That is why I am interested in this case and "obsessed"" over it. I don't like to see killers get away with it especially the murder a young intelligent attractive woman.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:24 PM (lxmGT)

573 You can't debate anything. why on the comments section on a blog if you aren't going to comment. lot of u guys just want to talk about yourself, basically humblebrag stuff. that is pretty boring to me.

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:25 PM (lxmGT)

574 Ok I'm going to eat and watch college basketball. just want to post this website again so it doesn't get buried above, maybe Ace will see it. I did what I can to get the truth out. http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

Posted by: Architect at January 30, 2014 03:29 PM (lxmGT)

575 A girl I knew in college was stabbed to death numerous times and they never found the killer. Is this a confession? Take it to a priest.

Posted by: toby928 at January 30, 2014 03:29 PM (QupBk)

576 Here's a more accurate site: http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 30, 2014 04:00 PM (E4MKN)

577 There's a tribe of nutjobs that set a google alert for Amanda Knox and show up in the comments section whenever the case is mentioned.

You can recognize them because they always show up enmasse late in a thread, they have terrible spelling and grammar, the unending lists of made up "evidence" mostly gleaned from Italian tabloids.

They know that 90% of the "evidence" they post is pure tabloid bullshit. They know it because they respond to people that post primary sources PROVING that it's tabloid bullshit, like the underwear thing or the bloody footprints that Amanda Knox supposedly left all over the house.

But they just ignore when they're proven wrong, and spam the same crap in comments on another website. It's actually pretty funny. They've been at it for years now.

Posted by: Justin at January 30, 2014 08:16 PM (7KXNY)

578

"Keep in mind the other Knox DNA on the handle was where you would grip a knife for a stabbing action rather than a cutting action for food preparation."

 

My my, hasn't science gotten grand if you can tell from DNA EVIDENCE how someone held a knife.

Posted by: Lea at January 31, 2014 05:16 AM (lIU4e)

579 The DNA was on a certain part of the handle that isn't consistent with how you normally grip a kitchen knife. It isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Architect at January 31, 2014 05:34 AM (lxmGT)

580 Justin, The verdict was given yesterday. Nobody needed a google alert for that if they were interested in the case at all. Kind of a big event in the trial. lol I note you cannot debate the case. Tabloid this, tabloid that. Her behavior post murder was weird, her own roommates thought so.

Posted by: Architect at January 31, 2014 05:37 AM (lxmGT)

581 I have no dog in this fight, but . . . It is no surprise that Amanda Knox was found guilty, again. Why ? Because the Italian police caught her and her boyfriend in a lengthy series of lies from their very first encounter. Case in point: A cellphone taken from the house had been discovered thrown into the yard of a woman who called the police. The police found that it belonged to one of Knox´s roommates, and went to the house to investigate *before* Kercher had been found/reported. Knox and boyfriend were there, standing outside the house. They told the police they had just called them because they were concerned about why Kercher couldn't be contacted. The police checked the call records and recordings of emergency calls received, and found there had been NO CALL from them that morning. Other important evidence: Police described a broken window as a staged, would-be point of entry for a staged "burglary." Nothing of significance was stolen but the roommate's cellphone, which was thrown into the woman's yard just blocks away. Cellphone "theft" appears to be part of a staged burglary. Boyfriend said they tried but were unable to break into Kerchner's room - though he had studied karate/tae kwon do - and police easily broke through the door. Police said a child could have easily broken through the door if they tried. Boyfriend was on his computer when he said he was sleeping with Knox. Boyfriend withdrew his alibi for Knox. Knox had a history in Seattle including getting into a fight, and encouraging vandalism and attacks on bystanders during an illegal party she threw there. Knox, unlike all the other girls, showed NO sorrow or concern about Kerchner´s death, which the police also observed. Knox was turning cartwheels in the police station while waiting (Just like Jodi Arias did, coincidentally, for what it´s worth - though that is not dispositive). Knox accused her boss, a black club owner, of the murder for two weeks before admitting she had falsely accused him of the murder. That was BEFORE anyone suspected Rudy Guede - or any black man - was involved in the case. Knox changed her story several times, and finally admitted she was in the house when Kerchner was killed. Knox provided a written confession to the police. Knox's testimony was generally regarded as contradictory and very unconvincing, in either Italian or English. I wanted to believe Knox didn't have any involvement, but I heard her testimony, and she did not make any credible or impassioned claims of innocence. She sounded like so many other guilty defendants we've all heard before. And yes, the former chief prosecutor was a nutjob - but that does not mean that defendants who had been properly investigated, arrested and charged were therefore somehow innocent. Finally, the Knox family has employed publicists, marketing experts and paid spokespeople to promote their claims of her innocence. They have demonstrably ignored testimony and evidence, and have frequently provided false and misleading statements to the press. *Some* of the people posting comments in support of her innocence, or writing articles and phony "news" stories, are being paid by the family to do so. So, caveat emptor, morons of the horde . . .

Posted by: tlk428 at January 31, 2014 11:19 AM (+3ito)

582 The prosecutor was not a nutjob.  He is an anti-mafia lawyer which means he is one of the best lawyers in Italy.  He obtained an 8-0 conviction in the original trial.  That trial was conducted fairly and properly but Italy gives an automatic appeals trial if requested. 

Posted by: Architect at February 01, 2014 07:39 AM (lxmGT)

583 So, I've finished reading Murder in Italy by Candace Dempsey, which I purchased because it was recommended here. Dempsey is based in Seattle, home of Amanda Knox. I've read that Knox's mother and sister came out to support Dempsey at a book signing. Dempsey seems to be saying that if you have any doubts about Knox's innocence, it must be because you cannot deal with normal, non-violent college students who have sex and smoke dope. I can deal with it. Also, I'm an attorney, and the total bias of this book set off my BS detector. I haven't paid much attention to this case since 2007, but now I'd like to read a more objective account of the investigation and court proceedings.

Posted by: Kirstin at February 25, 2014 02:54 PM (EGQlg)

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