April 30, 2014

Italian Appeals Court Finds Amanda Knox and Rafael Solecitto Guitly, Again
— Ace

Previously the case had been sent back to a lower court, which found them culpable.

But the Italian system requires an appeals court to agree with the finding for it to be an official conviction.

Which they've now done.

An Italian court says it convicted Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend of murdering her onetime roommate in part because of evidence showing that more than one person killed the British student.

The Florence appeals court released its explanation Tuesday, less than three months after it convicted Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in Meredith Kercher's 2007 death in a retrial.

In the more than 300-page document, the court said that a third person convicted in the murder, Rudy Guede, did not act alone, and cited the nature of the victim's wounds.

Ruling Judge Alessandro Nencini, who presided over the second appeal in the case, said Kercher, 21, and Knox disagreed over the payment of the rent in the house they shared in Perugia and that "there was an argument, then an elevation and progression of aggression."

The Florence court in January said that Knox, who also was convicted of slander, was sentenced in absentia to 28½ years in prison. Sollecito's sentence was 25 years.
They were first convicted of murder in 2009, but the verdicts were overturned on appeal in 2011.

Through her attorney, Knox released a statement proclaiming her innocence.

...

The judge also reasoned that Knox's false accusation of her former boss, Patrick Lumumba, whom she accused of the killing the night she was arrested, proved her guilt.

...

Nencini wrote that the accusation against Lumumba was "indispensable in understanding the crime" and that the accusation "cannot be separated from the murder."

So now it's a trivial argument about the rent (which was like $300 per month) which "escalates" into a brutal three-way rape/murder with a drifter.

Incidentally, this "argument about the rent" is making its first appearance in the Knox/Kercher saga. This has never been proposed before, never been testified to before, and, as far as I know, the judge is just speculatin' about things that coulda maybe happened.

The "argument about the rent" is the Italian court system's third attempt at a motive.

The first attempt was a Satanic Sex Cult Game Gone Wrong (and seriously, how often do they go right?). This was inspired by Harry Potter books, because, for serious, Harry Potter is Sex on Wheels.

The second attempt was when the judge in the first trial basically edited out that silly, embarrassing motive, and suggested a new motive: There was no motive. The organized three-way rape/murder just happened in the twinkling of an eye, without previous planning, and without any actual motive for it.

This third attempt constitutes an advance for Italian justice, as this judge realized, it seems, that Satanic Sex Game Gone Wrong was not a very convincing motive, and yet the alternative motive -- That there was no motive -- also lacked a certain je ne sais quoi.

So he constructs a new motive, about something that people actually kill people over (money).

The only problem is that there has never been any evidence of any kind of argument about money or rent (in fact, Amanda and Meredith didn't argue about anything, except that Amanda was too messy and didn't clean the toilets enough, and also that she played her guitar and sung too often -- again, not your classic murder motives).

So now they had a huge argument that no one ever heard of before over the trivial monthly rent that both could easily afford and that led to Amanda using her Sexual Wiles to enlist a smelly drifter to come up to their flat and join her and her new boyfriend in a Satanic Sex Cult Game Gone Wrong Extreme Rent Mediation Session.

Posted by: Ace at 08:09 AM | Comments (472)
Post contains 655 words, total size 4 kb.

1 Amanda Knox makes her official comment to this news:  "Molon Labia."

Posted by: Sharkman at April 30, 2014 08:11 AM (TM1p8)

2 Let me go get 'em.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 08:11 AM (eEBON)

3 You knew where this was going.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:12 AM (IXrOn)

4 anyone who expects justice in an Italian court is a fool.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 30, 2014 08:12 AM (T2V/1)

5 You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die, but there is no limit on bullshit

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly guile” Obama at April 30, 2014 08:13 AM (e8kgV)

6 She's still stateside, right?

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:13 AM (tWmgi)

7 At least Amanda Knox got tried in an established court of law, unlike Sterling...

Still neither was a true rendering of justice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:13 AM (W6ugU)

8 And if there were any justice the US would not extradite.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:13 AM (RD7QR)

9 I could have sworn there was a thread about minimum wage idiocy. It was here just a moment ago.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 30, 2014 08:14 AM (Icq+V)

10 I'm confused, was Satan supposed to pay the rent or what? Also, I feel horrible for the family of the poor dead girl. No matter who did it, she's dead, and now they can't even have the satisfaction of knowing the guilty party was captured unless, of course, they think Amanda Knox is a dirty dirty Satanist whore. Ah, Italy. The country that thinks it's completely reasonable to sentence seismologists to jail for manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2014 08:14 AM (mf5HN)

11 In before the Knox trolls show up.  And try to bring up the knife that has DNA on it but actually doesn't, and did not match any of the stab wounds.

Posted by: buzzion at April 30, 2014 08:15 AM (LI48c)

12 The Florence court in January said that Knox, who also was convicted of slander, was sentenced in absentia to 28 years in prison. Can she serve it in absentia?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 08:15 AM (ltXvY)

13 People were expecting a fair trial in a country that gave us the Mafia? Yeah....

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 30, 2014 08:15 AM (HDwDg)

14 And if there were any justice the US would not extradite.
Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 01:13 PM (RD7QR)


*ahem*

Posted by: Eric Holder [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:15 AM (JpC1K)

15 Italy - come for the pickpockets and lack of deodorant, stay for malicious prosecution and theatrical show trials.

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:16 AM (/29Nl)

16 Ah, Italy. The country that thinks it's completely reasonable to sentence seismologists to jail for manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake.

Posted by: alexthechick

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

But they do make a bloody good motorcycle.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 08:16 AM (eEBON)

17 Lady Liberty is growing old and weary.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:16 AM (IXrOn)

18 Question now is....did the Knox family contribute money to teh Democrats? If the answer is yes, she's not going anywhere. If the answer is no (or even worse if they donated to evil racist white Republicans)...she's going to rot in an eye-talian jail.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 08:16 AM (0LHZx)

19 14 And if there were any justice the US would not extradite. Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 01:13 PM (RD7QR) *ahem* Probably will depend on her voter registration..

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (9+ccr)

20 See, this is why we need rent control.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (XUKZU)

21 This really gives kangaroos and kangaroo courts a bad name.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (FTIES)

22 I really want to know how a court system becomes infected with such sophomoric reasoning capability in the 21st century. Maybe it shows us how fragile human systems really are.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (OzZJn)

23 But they do make a bloody good motorcycle. Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (eEBON) And gelato.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (IXrOn)

24 At least she got a trial.

Posted by: Clara Petacci at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (8ZskC)

25 Ah, Italy. The country that thinks it's completely reasonable to sentence seismologists to jail for manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake. *** And sentences folks to jail terms that "fall below the minimum" for actually doing jail time. I wonder how much time one must be sentenced to before they actually see the inside of a jail cell. Hollywood Reporter ‏@THR 1h RT @pretareporter: Dolce & Gabbana sentenced to jail in tax case. http://j.mp/1ktGGoM

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (DmNpO)

26 Was she paying $300 a month for a used Lamborghini?

Posted by: Ric Flair at April 30, 2014 08:17 AM (Ks4nX)

27 AlextheChick, Italy is the canary in the legal coal mine singing "That's Amore' about the US justice system?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (W6ugU)

28 A $300 room rent is very cheap. No way that turns into an argument. The knife with bread starch on it that wasn't the murder weapon is hardly damning evidence. Time to move the CIA's merry little band of Jihadis from Syria to Fascist Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (LJ7Ze)

29 I know when I had to get a roommate to pay rent in the past, I always called in a drifter to help with the rape/murder part of it. Doesn't everyone do this, and since when is it a crime?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (b2cFu)

30 Question now is....did the Knox family contribute money to teh Democrats? If the answer is yes, she's not going anywhere. If the answer is no (or even worse if they donated to evil racist white Republicans)...she's going to rot in an eye-talian jail.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (0LHZx)


It scares me that I'm not laughing at the seeming absurdity of this comment.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (tWmgi)

31 Waiting for the Amanda Knox Troofers.

Posted by: --- at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (MMC8r)

32 Things Italians do well: Food Music The arts Things Italians do poorly: Politics Military Justice

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (XUKZU)

33 Hillary! let her rot in jail, so I don't think the Knox's have any Dem cred. This endless witch hunt is total bullshit. ACE has in the past done some excellent posts regarding this travesty of justice. Don't trust the MFM (as always.) Do your own research and you'll see she's innocent. But Amanda, if you need any comforting, call me, m'kay?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (7ObY1)

34 So...shouldn't this lead to some state media navel gazing about the rise of racist hatemongering in the halls of European governments...against Americans?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2014 08:18 AM (78TbK)

35 Mussolini appointees?

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (MNq6o)

36 But they do make a bloody good motorcycle. Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM

Why, yes.....yes they do.

Posted by: John Effin' Kerry at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (knoK7)

37 Has the Italian court compared her weight to that of a duck yet?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (eEBON)

38

And if there were any justice the US would not extradite.


Methinks the Knox family had better start hosting a few fundraisers for Barky and Holder.  Otherwise. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (zF6Iw)

39 And the verdict is..... ......WITCH!!!

Posted by: --- at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (MMC8r)

40 Things Italians do well:
Food
Music
The arts

Things Italians do poorly:
Politics
Military
Justice

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 01:18 PM (XUKZU)



I think the problem is that they often confuse "Justice" with "The Arts"

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:19 AM (/29Nl)

41 So now it's a trivial argument about the rent (which was like $300 per month) which "escalates" into a brutal three-way rape/murder with a drifter. Global Warming may also have played a part. I mean, hey, what the hell. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (8ZskC)

42 32 Waiting for the Amanda Knox Troofers. It's really scary how they always show up with perfectly coordinated attacks. All over social media. The Kerchers must have hired an awesome PR firm.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (7ObY1)

43 It scares me that I'm not laughing at the seeming absurdity of this comment.
***
The best indicator of whether someone will go to jail in America for corruption at the federal level is whether or not they contributed to the Democrat party...so I would argue that by no means is the initial comment absurd.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (78TbK)

44 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (PYAXX)

45 She is a Democrat I think with one of her US Senators support. Both World Wars were fought for less.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (LJ7Ze)

46 Still neither was a true rendering of justice. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 01:13 PM (W6ugU) Courts nowadays are a lot more about procedure than they are about Justice. It is just a kabuki dance much of the time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (bb5+k)

47 But they do make a bloody good motorcycle.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (eEBON)


Nice shotguns too!

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at April 30, 2014 08:20 AM (MPIX5)

48 Don't trust the MFM (as always.) Do your own research and you'll see she's innocent. I have, she's guilty. /I still miss you Bill Maher!

Posted by: Ann Coulter[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (44jNh)

49 Global Warming may also have played a part. I mean, hey, what the hell. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 01:20 PM (8ZskC)


I blame Bush.

Knox's....not GW's

Posted by: Eric Holder [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (JpC1K)

50 How long before the trial troll shows up in the thread?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (DmNpO)

51 I wonder if the food is better in Italian prisons.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (jPT60)

52

The tabloid "Bild" says Kercher accused Knox of stealing money from her room, and things got out of hand.  Says the original allegation of out of control sex games is not plausible. 

 

Wounds in the neck are supposedly from two different knives, so obviously it was the grifter and Knox and the boyfriend, over money.  The other reason they convicted her doesn't count, so she's guilty for the new reason.

 

I hope someone at least reposts the prison yoga picture.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (JtwS4)

53 Their Justice system is a bigger disgrace than FIAT.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (LJ7Ze)

54 Suffice it to say,  it's probably a good bet that Amanda isn't taking any  overseas trips this summer.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 08:21 AM (ECnGp)

55 It's shit like this that made Chico Marx leave Italy.

Posted by: --- at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (MMC8r)

56 Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 01:18 PM (XUKZU) You got a laugh out of me, I admit

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (OzZJn)

57 You know... at least the argument about rent escalating to murder is something that is reasonable. Okay, the rape-murder thing? Not so much. But if it were "just" murder... well, people have killed for less than $300.00.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (PYAXX)

58 So I take it trips to Florence for some Bisteaka Florentine are out of the question for the time being for Ms. Knox.

Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (4kTo2)

59 Do Lambos count as art?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (qFpRI)

60 Another story I didn't follow at all. I know next to nothing, other than she was apparently railroaded by the Italian courts. Where's the best recap of all the facts?

Posted by: shredded chi at April 30, 2014 08:22 AM (ko4zy)

61 Her problem is 100% that she didn't agree to blow the prosecutor and the judges.

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (/29Nl)

62 Reminder that Italy ruled the world for a thousand years.


Now?  Not so much.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (TM1p8)

63 This degenerate whore was seen protesting at the OWS less then one week after she returned home. Extradite her STD'd ass.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (thLL8)

64

But they do make a bloody good motorcycle.


Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (eEBON)

 

And women.

 

Obligatory Sophia Loren pic:

 

http://tinyurl.com/p93l89n


 



 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (zF6Iw)

65 The best indicator of whether someone will go to jail in America for corruption at the federal level is whether or not they contributed to the Democrat party.. --------------- What are you trying to say?

Posted by: Marc Ric, pardon by Clinton arranged by Eric Holder at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (aDwsi)

66 so I would argue that by no means is the initial comment absurd.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2014 01:20 PM (78TbK)


Agreed. I was speaking more to the fact that the comment should be absurd.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (tWmgi)

67 56 Italian vehicles and shotguns fall into the "Art" category.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 30, 2014 01:21 PM (c6N69)


The difference being that a Benelli works beautifully and a Fiat...well...

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (RD7QR)

68 31 Question now is....did the Knox family contribute money to teh Democrats? If the answer is yes, she's not going anywhere. If the answer is no (or even worse if they donated to evil racist white Republicans)...she's going to rot in an eye-talian jail. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (0LHZx) It scares me that I'm not laughing at the seeming absurdity of this comment. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 01:18 PM (tWmgi) That was my reaction as well. Presumably he said it in Jest, but given what we've seen so far, it really isn't a joke.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (bb5+k)

69 Ah, Italy. The country that thinks it's completely reasonable to sentence seismologists to jail for manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake. O_o? Okay, not to self- never go to Italy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:23 AM (PYAXX)

70 Crap. Sock fail Marc Rich, pardon by Clinton arranged by Eric Holder

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (aDwsi)

71 Does this have to do with a Bunga Bunga party?

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (YhayY)

72 Wounds in the neck are supposedly from two different knives Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 30, 2014 01:21 PM (JtwS4) Gee, you'd think that we would have heard of this "evidence" before, if it really exists. It's almost as if they're trying to railroad innocent people to save face.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (OzZJn)

73 In before the nut-job fruitcake weirdo Knox topic stalker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (pASf2)

74 Er, Italian motorcycles = German.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (gXRIG)

75 Italian Prison vs. Mexican Prison.

Discuss.

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (/29Nl)

76 Only if you don't have to repair them for a living. But you see, that's an argument they ARE art. Art isn't supposed to function.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (44jNh)

77 The BBC headline reads: Amanda Knox 'delivered fatal blow to Meredith Kercher'

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (IXrOn)

78 Makes you think twice about sending your college kid for some cultural immersion in a foreign country.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (XyM/Y)

79 Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 30, 2014 01:23 PM (thLL

Being an ignorant idiot shouldn't land you in an overseas prison.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (tWmgi)

80 Wassamatta you, ah? She's-a guilty. She got it written all-a ov-a her face.

Posted by: Michaelangelo Nifongi at April 30, 2014 08:24 AM (MMC8r)

81 In before the nut-job fruitcake weirdo Knox topic stalker. There is one?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (9+ccr)

82 Another story I didn't follow at all. I know next to nothing, other than she was apparently railroaded by the Italian courts.
Where's the best recap of all the facts? Posted by: shredded chi


Ace had a really good summarization of the facts a while ago.  Maybe he'll repost that.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (MNq6o)

83 Point of Order, Romans ran an Empire for a thousand years.  Some Roman Emperors were from the territories and not Italian.

Now Italians, since Victor Emmanuelle, have not managed to run anything of worth politically.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (W6ugU)

84 Courts nowadays are a lot more about procedure than they are about Justice.


It is just a kabuki dance much of the time.


Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 01:20 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

Maet had an excellent video last night on the ONT about how the system of law works here in the US now.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (ECnGp)

85 38 Has the Italian court compared her weight to that of a duck yet? Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:19 PM (eEBON) Now that is some excellent snark.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (bb5+k)

86 You couldn't hang a hat on that evidence, except in Italy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (qyfb5)

87 I am too[/] a real car. Bullies.

Posted by: Fiat 500 at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (aDwsi)

Posted by: Fiat 500 at April 30, 2014 08:25 AM (aDwsi)

89 I'm tempted to sue the Italian legal system for besmirching my good name!

Posted by: A Kangaroo Court at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (trIVV)

90

Obligatory Sophia Loren pic:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oh, my.  Be back in a couple minutes.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (eEBON)

91 Damned near miss. * fanning away the barrel odor *

Posted by: Fiat 500 at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (aDwsi)

92 23 I really want to know how a court system becomes infected with such sophomoric reasoning capability in the 21st century. Maybe it shows us how fragile human systems really are.
***

You must have missed all the cheering on Twitter this week over tornado deaths in the red states since "those" folks don't believe in "global <insert verb here>"

Because we never had tornadoes until Eli Whitney came along.

It's not just the US.  The whole world is out of its fucking mind.

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (5OEha)

93 Making mechanics out of motorcycle riders for 90 years!

Posted by: Ducati! at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (QM5S2)

94 12 The Florence court in January said that Knox, who also was convicted of slander, was sentenced in absentia to 28 years in prison. Ah, Europe. Anders Brevik got 21 years for gunning down 77 people purposefully and in cold blood. I know, different country, different system, etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (T0NGe)

95 There is one? *** How could you have missed him? He's one of the most obnoxious and relentless of all the trolls.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 08:26 AM (DmNpO)

96 The trial will now go back to Italy's highest court, the Court of Cassation, which could uphold or overturn the verdict. If it upholds it, officials are expected to begin the lengthy process to extradite Knox from the US, where she returned on her release from prison in 2011. Meanwhile, Guede is already serving a 16-year prison sentence after being convicted of Miss Kercher's murder at an earlier trial. bbc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (IXrOn)

97 I forgot that Italians do organized crime very well.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (XUKZU)

98 The same BBC that covered up mass child abuse by celebrities accepts the Italian court's verdict? Well, Knox me over with a feather.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (qyfb5)

99 What happened to Rafael. He's Italian. Is he still over there?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (XyM/Y)

100 Man! That Fiat 500 guy almost fck'd up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (aDwsi)

101 Italian motorcycles = German Hmm? Is this because Audi owns Ducati?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (44jNh)

102 "I am too[/] a real car. Bullies. Posted by: Fiat 500 at April 30, 2014 01:25 PM"


No one said you weren't real.  Now go get your fuckin' glove box.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (knoK7)

103 Damned near miss. * fanning away the barrel odor *
Posted by: Fiat 500 at April 30, 2014 01:26 PM (aDwsi)


Feeeeeeeeed meeeeeeeeeee!!!

Posted by: The Barrel [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (JpC1K)

104 In before the nut-job fruitcake weirdo Knox topic stalker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 30, 2014 01:24 PM (pASf2)


----


yeah...  I am racking my brain on which moron is *convinced* that Knox is guilty because...... SHUT UP thats why.


cannot remember.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (nELVU)

105 I guess we all learned the lesson that the Italian justice system is a joke.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (rsudF)

106 Lookin' like the last man to exact a righteous verdict in Rome was Genseric the Vandal

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (RTQgm)

107 Remember - guilty until proven innocent, and even if you do somehow manage to prove your innocence, the prosecution can appeal. Because shut up.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (ylhEn)

108 How could you have missed him? He's one of the most obnoxious and relentless of all the trolls. Must be bad... That's a tall order....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 30, 2014 08:27 AM (9+ccr)

109 The Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston is a insightful look into the weird italian 'justice' system.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (hpgw1)

110 Always good to see Alan jump in with scfoamt. Its like comfort food

Posted by: Sandy "Pants" Burgler at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (bAXJL)

111 52 How long before the trial troll shows up in the thread?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 01:21 PM (DmNpO

 

My favorite trial troll was Tom Sawyer.  I wonder what name he'll show up with at the end of this thread. 

 

My second favorite was Ma Bell, who because she knows people in Italy knows the truth.

 

My third favorite isn't really a troll, but its MAx/DAve who has a major hardon for defending trolls.  Who got all righteous about Tom Sawyer when that bullshit knife got thrown out of court because he declared that Tom Sawyer was right, forgetting that Tom was obsessed with Knox being guilty and he was certain the knife was the murder weapon.

Posted by: buzzion at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (LI48c)

112 Oh, and inb4 Tom Sawyer

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (RTQgm)

113 A friend of mine asked about accessories for a Fiat. I suggested a fire extinquisher.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (aDwsi)

114 Florence has been all downhill since about 1500. Fuck em.

Posted by: Amichel at April 30, 2014 08:28 AM (aO1W9)

115 Maet had an excellent video last night on the ONT about how the system of law works here in the US now. Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 01:25 PM (ECnGp) I'll go back and look at it. Thanks.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:29 AM (bb5+k)

116 Er, Italian motorcycles = German.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you referring to VW buying Ducati a couple years ago?  That's a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 08:29 AM (eEBON)

117 "I wonder if the food is better in Italian prisons." Meh...

Posted by: Chef Boyardee at April 30, 2014 08:29 AM (gOoFi)

118 You know, every so often something happens that reminds me how lucky I am to live in the United States of America. This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (PYAXX)

119 yeah... I am racking my brain on which moron is *convinced* that Knox is guilty because...... SHUT UP thats why. cannot remember. Because I have friends in Italy! They say she's guilty.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (44jNh)

120 I worked through the middle east and Europe for 15 years and was based out of Italy. I can tell you this about anything Italian. If they even imagine that a media camera might be in the same region, they will do whatever they have to, to make that camera come to where they are so that they can clamor to get in front of it. Another thing is that controversy is a staple in the Italian diet. Controversy means coverage and coverage means they, at the very least, get their picture in newspapers. This story is like a gift from heaven for anyone even peripherally involved in this story. Plus, their legal system is nearly as bad as their socialist healthcare. Full disclosure - the wife is Italian and a lawyer, so is the brother-in-law.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (BZAd3)

121 A friend of mine asked about accessories for a Fiat. I suggested a fire extinquisher. Posted by: Mike Hammer

Or a Honda Civic.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (MNq6o)

122 Amanda on her blog yesterday: I have stated from the beginning of this long ordeal that Raffaele and I are innocent of the accusations against us. We were found innocent by the only court in Italy that retained independent forensic experts to review the case. I want to state again today what I have said throughout this process: We are innocent of the accusation against us, and the recent motivation document does not – and cannot – change the fact of our innocence. The recent motivation document does not – and cannot – change the forensic evidence: Experts agreed that my DNA was not found anywhere in Meredith’s room, while the DNA of the actual murderer, Rudy Guede, was found throughout that room and on Meredith’s body. This forensic evidence directly refutes the multiple-assailant theory found in the new motivation document. This theory is not supported by any reliable forensic evidence. etc http://www.amandaknox.com/blog/ messy

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (IXrOn)

123 I saw six Fiat 500s yesterday. It was very sudden, I have seen like one here before, weeks ago. That's, like, almost three regular cars' worth. It's basically a "smart car" with leather shoes and mousse in it's hair.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (qyfb5)

124 Tutto bene!

Posted by: Guido In A Speedo at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (MMC8r)

125 118 A friend of mine asked about accessories for a Fiat. I suggested a fire extinquisher.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 01:28 PM (aDwsi)


Maybe an outboard motor if you want to get on highways.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (RD7QR)

126 Are you referring to VW buying Ducati a couple years ago? That's a bit of a stretch. I guess that's better than burger king.

Posted by: Ducati! at April 30, 2014 08:30 AM (QM5S2)

127 Always good to see Alan jump in with scfoamt. Its like comfort food Posted by: Sandy "Pants" Burgler ---------------- I was fairly certain that Berger stuffed the papers in his socks..., and it only just now occurred to me that Clinton's cat was named 'Socks'. The world is filled with irony.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (aDwsi)

128 Invasion. They deserve it more than Iraq. Sell them into slavery Roman style. Repopulate and colonize. Divide into new states.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (LJ7Ze)

129 Maybe they should have concentrated on coo coo clocks.

Posted by: Orson Wells at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (XUKZU)

130 It's not just the US. The whole world is out of its fucking mind. Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 01:26 PM (5OEha) This bears repeating. Whatever is making people stupid, it's affecting the entire planet. Must be an alien invasion force's secret weapon or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (bb5+k)

131 Ace has mentioned this before, but if you're looking for a good read on how fucked the Italian justice system is check out Douglas Preston's The Monster of Florence.

Posted by: Sandy at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (bAXJL)

132 You know, every so often something happens that reminds me how lucky I am to live in the United States of America. This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do." That only happens with election recounts.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (T0NGe)

133 Because I have friends in Italy! They say she's guilty.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 30, 2014 01:30 PM (44jNh)


Totes. Have you ever pointed out that you have friends in the US who think this administration isn't rife with criminals (largely thanks to the reportage of the US media)?

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (tWmgi)

134 more from her blog The forensic evidence also directly refutes the theory that the kitchen knife was the murder weapon: The court-appointed independent experts confirmed that neither Meredith’s blood nor her DNA was on the alleged murder weapon, which experts also agreed did not match the stab wounds or the bloody imprint of a knife on her bed sheet. In fact, in the prior proceeding in which we were found innocent, the court specifically concluded that the forensic evidence did not support our alleged participation in the crime and further found that the circumstantial evidence was both unreliable and contrary to a conclusion of guilt. The recent motivation document does not – and cannot – change the fact that the forensic evidence still does not support our participation and the circumstantial evidence still remains unreliable and contrary to the conclusion of guilt. This is the rest of her life in a nutshell. It will never end.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 08:31 AM (IXrOn)

135 OT: MoDo at NYT, writing about Barky... That gives [JFK and GWB] a certain nonchalance in the face of opprobrium and difficulty, a luxury that those who propel themselves to the top on their own donÂ’t have. Yeah, Barky, Mr. "Affirmative Action Preferential Treatment Writ Large", made it to the top "on his own" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (z/dJ6)

136 Their Justice system is a bigger disgrace than FIAT.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:21 PM (LJ7Ze)



Now, now, I've heard that the new Fix It Again Tonys actually run,  Then again that might be a bunch of guinea dogshit,

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (a6Pc1)

137 <cuts and pastes Vaclav Havel's comments about the Czechoslovakian court system from earlier>

Posted by: chiefjaybob at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (0svkF)

138 In the United States if you are not convicted in your city or state on a crime like murder, well then they can go talk to the FBI to see if there is some Federal statue they can use - for example using email to plan the alleged murder.

We are not too far away from the Italian system when you go and ponder things. *thud*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (W6ugU)

139 Today's Tom Sawyer He gets high on you And the space he invades He gets by on you

Posted by: Geddy Lee at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (8ZskC)

140 It's basically a "smart car" with leather shoes and mousse in it's hair. Posted by: Merovign --------- When I see either one, I think "Death wish".

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (aDwsi)

141 OK just got in town. Someone remind be why I should give a shit about this. The woman is in WA. She's not going back to Italy. So her only downside is? Someone's dead. Most people in Italy think she had something to do with it. She's still alive. I thinking she is winning here.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (0FSuD)

142 My favorite trial troll was Tom Sawyer. I wonder what name he'll show up with at the end of this thread. *** thank you! That's his name. I don't know how I could have forgotten it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 08:32 AM (DmNpO)

143 "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do." Yeah, we just do that with elections! Right, Christine Gregoire?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:33 AM (44jNh)

144 "This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 01:30 PM"

*Ahem*

Posted by: Tom DeLay at April 30, 2014 08:33 AM (knoK7)

145 My-a brother is on the Pope's Bowling team! We know she did it-a!

Posted by: Guido In A Speedo at April 30, 2014 08:33 AM (MMC8r)

146

I dated a wop from northern Italy, blonde and blue-eyed, like the Sicilians used to be.  They have great food and arts and some other stuff to recommend them.

 

Like, you know that trick Sherilyn Fenn did in Twin Peaks, where she tied a cherry stem into a knot with her tongue.  My girl could do that.  And yes, it translates into that skill it made you think about.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 30, 2014 08:33 AM (JtwS4)

147 That is chocolate and coo-coo clocks you Third Man yo...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:33 AM (W6ugU)

148 VW>Audi>Lambo>Duck. It's science.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (gXRIG)

149 Where is the rent? Pay up or it's the sidewalk for you. It is a posture-pedic sidewalk so your back should only be in agony not total pain central.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (Zdgjo)

150 THAT'S IT! I FOUND THE REAL KILLER!!

Posted by: OJ at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (MMC8r)

151 I hope someone at least reposts the prison yoga picture. Heh heh. That was me. It's now my desktop. (jk )

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (7ObY1)

152 Oh God, please don't let her be extradited...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (gznAu)

153 This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 01:30 PM (PYAXX) We do that here in America too. Remember the Simi Valley policemen?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (bb5+k)

154 OT: (may get the barrel for this but...) The environmental official went on to claim that Obama was going to institute "environmental justice" for minorities. “You can’t ensure environmental justice, and we can’t deliver on this president’s promise of opportunity for all without giving people clean air and clean water and clean land to live on," she said. quote from brain scientist Regina "Gina" McCarthy, obama's EPA chief.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (x3YFz)

155 You must have missed all the cheering on Twitter this week over tornado deaths in the red states since "those" folks don't believe in "global <insert verb here>"

Because we never had tornadoes until Eli Whitney came along.

It's not just the US. The whole world is out of its fucking mind.

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 01:26 PM (5OEha)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

And Beck thinks that this  country can turn back to being a Constitutional nation without bloodshed?  Of course we won't have another civil war.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (ECnGp)

156 Must be an alien invasion force's secret weapon or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 01:31 PM (bb5+k)


----


I have theory.


Tobacco is a mildly psychotropic drug.   If find **alot** of correlation between the decline of tobacco use and an increase of "teh crazy".


Just a thought.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 30, 2014 08:34 AM (nELVU)

157 OK just got in town.

Someone remind be why I should give a shit about this.

Posted by: Nip Sip


Someone's HotAir button is broke.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:35 AM (pASf2)

158

I always get Amanda Knox and Belle Knox confused.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2014 08:35 AM (eoeps)

159 Ace had a really good summarization of the facts a while ago. Maybe he'll repost that. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:25 PM (MNq6o) ------ Thanks, Dang. I'll try to remember how to search the blog for that. I'm sure he provided good links along with his analysis.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 30, 2014 08:35 AM (ko4zy)

160 145 Today's Tom Sawyer He gets high on you And the space he invades He gets by on you I liked Cartman's version better. Today's Tom Sawyer rode down a river with a black guy...shut up you guys. Ah am Geddy Lee, Ah can sing anything ah want!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (7ObY1)

161 Why is it always satanic sex?  Doesn't anybody work with the lesser demons anymore? 

Not just anyone can immediately jump in the sack with the Kardashians.

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (oJUxt)

162 OK just got in town. Someone remind be why I should give a shit about this. Posted by: Nip Sip I threw my give-a-shit meter in the trash. Thing never read over 0.002

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (x3YFz)

163 How much work is it to punch in a few launch codes? This is Kristallnacht all over again. Italy is an occupied territory. Explain to them how that works.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (LJ7Ze)

164 I suppose she'll never again feel safe to travel anywhere outside the U.S., especially the EU. It's not as bad as being falsely imprisoned, but it's a major life alteration all the same.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (ZshNr)

165 Anna, some days it' better not to ponder things, or to read trolls. *sigh*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (qyfb5)

166 *Ahem* Posted by: Tom DeLay at April 30, 2014 01:33 PM (knoK7) I didn't say there wasn't work to do. Grand Jury (or at least- Indictment) shopping is a practice which must be stopped. But, here, if I'm found not guilty in court, I have to be released as soon as possible (usually the same day). Sure, the cops *can* (and often do) consult with the Feds to see if I can be tried on some Federal Statute (which, frankly, is harassment), but they at least have to find some *other crime* of which they believe me to be guilty. And, even then, in the American court system, the very fact that I was found not-guilty originally will often play well with a jury.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (PYAXX)

167 I have theory. Tobacco is a mildly psychotropic drug. If find **alot** of correlation between the decline of tobacco use and an increase of "teh crazy". Just a thought. Soy.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (ltXvY)

168 Mike, Pants, Jacket, Socks. I was a triple threat guy

Posted by: Sandy "Pants" Burgler at April 30, 2014 08:36 AM (bAXJL)

169 The woman is in WA. Speaking of Washington, their governor just imposed cap and trade by fiat. Don't give Barky any ideas!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (XUKZU)

170 This is going to be an amazing opera.

Posted by: Daisy at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (ZglKH)

171 Amanda may be fairly safe now that she's home, but Rafaelle Sollecito is well and truly fucked. Dude was here in the USA for a little while. He really should have stayed here.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (7ObY1)

172

You know, every so often something happens that reminds me how lucky I am to live in the United States of America.


This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do."

 

Yeah. . .about that. . .

Posted by: Fatty Arbuckle at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (zF6Iw)

173 "The Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston is a insightful look into the weird italian 'justice' system."

Whenever I find myself tempted to laugh at the ridiculous Eyeties over legal matters, I find myself stopping to think about the long list of equally ridiculous American prosecutions of the last few decades.

McMartin preschool abuse trial, anyone?

Which was itself another example of prosecutors pulling out the Satanic Sex Cult Game card. That seems to be a big draw for some reason.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (noWW6)

174 She needs to get out of the state of Washington.

Ninth Circuit Court black-robed retard and prostitute territory. Posted by: Kristophr


Hey you guys!  Come on over and check it out yourselves!  You don't a gotta bring your robes.  We gotta real nice place to put you up for a week or two.  What ever it's a gonna take!

Posted by: Italian "Justices" at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (MNq6o)

175 I think I've mentioned before that when I had to do a presentation on the Italian system of governance for comparative political systems, my presentation was, more or less, I have no freaking clue how they run things. My professor laughed and said they don't either.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (mf5HN)

176 Shave your back Guido.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:37 AM (LJ7Ze)

177 Da pravda tovarich Merovign.

In other news Taco Bell admits their ground beef is only 88% ground beef.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:38 AM (W6ugU)

178 If at first you don't convict, try, try again.

Posted by: Old Ned at April 30, 2014 08:38 AM (JkyLU)

179 Ace had a really good summarization of the facts a while ago. Maybe he'll repost that.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:25 PM (MNq6o)

Agreed. I knew virtually nothing about this case until I read Ace's write-up a while back. That's when it occurred to me that Knox is Italy's GZ. Everyone who has two eyes and a brain to look at the facts of the case comes to the conclusion she's innocent.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:38 AM (tWmgi)

180 Mike, Pants, Jacket, Socks. I was a triple threat guy Posted by: Sandy "Pants" Burgler at April 30, 2014 01:36 PM (bAXJL) it's all in how you wear them. Hint: pants go on your head and the socks on your hands. Jacket is up to you.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:38 AM (x3YFz)

181 The rent was too damn high!

Posted by: Anonymous hobo who doesn't want to become jerky at April 30, 2014 08:38 AM (XNXq5)

182 I suppose she'll never again feel safe to travel anywhere outside the U.S., especially the EU. It's not as bad as being falsely imprisoned, but it's a major life alteration all the same. - Meanwhile, child rapist Roman Polanski is doing just fine, Thank you very much.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (XUKZU)

183 So is this basically a result of European chauvinism and impotence? In other words, they want to stick it to the Americans. "Those American prudes are such sluts." A little racism/nationalism, too? She's stealing an Italian guy after all. I can't say there won't be a little (what's Italian for "schadenfreude"?) over Obama having to deal with a thorny issue of diplomacy. Maybe that smart foreign policy can work in this case.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (T0NGe)

184 174 I have theory.
Tobacco is a mildly psychotropic drug. If find **alot** of correlation between the decline of tobacco use and an increase of "teh crazy".
Just a thought.


Soy.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 01:36 PM (ltXvY)


Yeah, lots of shrunken testicles attributable to that shit. That and estrogen in the water. And get off my lawn.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (RD7QR)

185

McMartin preschool abuse trial, anyone?

 

Fells Acre Daycare?

Posted by: Tookie Amerault at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (JtwS4)

186 "158 Oh God, please don't let her be extradited... Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2014 01:34 PM (gznAu)" Not likely. The Italian process violates our own constitution.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (rsudF)

187 Repeat after me: "Government is never wrong." Say it with a straight face when these things happen and enjoy the trolling of your friends/family.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (TyCa2)

188 Dude was here in the USA for a little while. He really should have stayed here. Yes because every country needs more knife wielding homicidal maniacs.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 30, 2014 08:39 AM (thLL8)

189 I threw my give-a-shit meter in the trash. Thing never read over 0.002 Posted by: tangonine ----------------- It seems that all of the old AAF skills have slipped away since we cut the AF loose. You have to tap the face of the gauge.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (aDwsi)

190 They changed that when word got out recently. Posted by: Kristophr at April 30, 2014 01:38 PM (c6N69) So now it's "12345?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (PYAXX)

191

>>>It is just a kabuki dance much of the time.

 

I'm doing the bowtie thinger

[on head] I can't pay the rent!

[mustache] You must pay the rent!

[at collar] I'l pay the rent!

[mustache] Curses!

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (3ZtZW)

192 Lincolntf: During the cold war, the launch code in the silos actually was eight zeros. They wanted to be sure a missileer knocked senseless by a near miss could launch the fucker in the dark. They changed that when word got out recently. Posted by: Kristophr at April 30, 2014 01:38 PM (c6N69) you'd best hope that's declass, or you're going to get a knock on your door.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (x3YFz)

193 23 "I really want to know how a court system becomes infected with such sophomoric reasoning capability in the 21st century. Maybe it shows us how fragile human systems really are."   I know, right?

Posted by: Sharia Court at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (NkJ0Q)

194 Yeah, Barky, Mr. "Affirmative Action Preferential Treatment Writ Large", made it to the top "on his own" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Not only did he not make it on his own, he fell asleep in the sedan chair and when he made it "to the top" he had no idea where he was.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (T0NGe)

195 You guys like to use italics? You're welcome.

Posted by: The Italians at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (8ZskC)

196 I used to think Taco Bell was the bee's knees. I may have been closer than I thought.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (qyfb5)

197 This is going to be an amazing opera. Posted by: Daisy

From the people who brought you the castrati.  They really are sick fuckers,  aren't they?

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (MNq6o)

198 They need to enforce non extradition with drones firing nukes even if they file extradition papers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (LJ7Ze)

199 "Fells Acre Daycare? Posted by: Tookie Amerault at April 30, 2014 01:39 PM"


What....?

Posted by: Psychotic Knifewielding Clown at April 30, 2014 08:40 AM (knoK7)

200 "Speaking of Washington, their governor just imposed cap and trade by fiat."

They should get rid of all those industries in WA whose products generate eeeeeeeevil Gaia-strangling carbon dioxide.

Starting with Boeing.

For some reason, though, I don't think that's going to be too popular an idea with the labor-union wing of the left.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (noWW6)

201 So now it's "12345?" Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 01:40 PM (PYAXX) "PA55WORD"

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (x3YFz)

202

>>>Taco Bell admits their ground beef is only 88% ground beef.

 

Somebody should suet these guys

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (3ZtZW)

203 the Court of Cassation, I read that really fast and thought it said...youch, I can't even type it.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (7ObY1)

204 Italy is the Mexico of Europe, only not as clean.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (LJ7Ze)

205 Repeat after me: "Government is never wrong." Say it with a straight face when these things happen and enjoy the trolling of your friends/family. Posted by: Tonic ---------------------------------- In the South, when someone mentions 'Government' anything, I ask if they are referring to the same government that introduced Kudzu.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (aDwsi)

206 In other news Taco Bell admits their ground beef is only 88% ground beef. Yeah, they say the rest is their special sauce. Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. No beef is 100%. Some percentage is fat, a bunch is water, some small part is particulates.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (44jNh)

207 You guys like to use italics? You're welcome. Posted by: The Italians at April 30, 2014 01:40 PM (8ZskC) One dude screws up one building, and y'all think you own an entire font-face.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:41 AM (PYAXX)

208 She should fly direct to Switzerland ( not in the EU ), camp out on the Italian border ( Lugano is nice this time of year ) and hold press conferences every day


Italians seem to know that they're Mock-able, though--and they do know that their un-justice system is a tutti joke, tutti journo, tutti anno

Posted by: Jules, calling a quarter pounder a Royale at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (JyjXt)

209 Glad I read The Monster of Florence on your recommendation.

Posted by: Zakn at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (zyaZ1)

210 Taco Hell: Hey, at least it TASTES like chicken

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (7ObY1)

211 I'm writing a book on the case, tentatively titled, "A Dago Stabbing In Florence." http://t.co/roacZNziiH

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (CJjw5)

212 The woman is in WA. She's not going back to Italy. Posted by: Nip Sip at April 30, 2014 01:32 PM (0FSuD) You do not think the Italians will ask for extradition? I would be surprised if they didn't. This is a big deal over there for some reason.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (bb5+k)

213 Not likely. The Italian process violates our own constitution. Posted by: NotCoach


So does our president and attorney general.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (MNq6o)

214 Yeah Fatty Arbuckle after a weekend of getting sloshed with friends wakes up to find an almost unknown stringer, whom they thought was merely passed out, was dead in Fatty's room from a burst bladder I think. 

Fatty was tried three times, found innocent three times, and his career was still destroyed.  The Hayes Office was created and when Fatty was finally offered a new role, he died that night.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (W6ugU)

215

It's not just the US. The whole world is out of its fucking mind.

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 01:26 PM (5OEha)


This bears repeating. Whatever is making people stupid, it's affecting the entire planet.


Must be an alien invasion force's secret weapon or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 01:31 PM (bb5+k)

 

My money is on a parasite spread by cats, like Toxoplasmosis or T. godii.

"The most substantial body of evidence linking T. gondii to a neurological disorder involves the potential association between schizophrenia and infection with the parasite."

Posted by: yep at April 30, 2014 08:42 AM (N7QgG)

216 208 rickb223: I am currently vaping to deal with my mild schizophrenia issues. Nicotine works, and works well. And now the FDA is trying to ban this. Posted by: Kristophr at April 30, 2014 01:40 PM (c6N69) Seriously? Geez, I hate those fuckers. My husband has quit cigarrettes by vaping. It is the first thing he has tried that didn't leave him angry and shaky all the time. The FDA needs to leave it alone.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 30, 2014 08:43 AM (qFpRI)

217 This case is just one example why despite whatever problems/flaws exist within the US criminal justice system (and there are many), it is still vastly superior to any other in the world.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at April 30, 2014 08:43 AM (qG1i2)

218 Alec Baldwin is 88% ground beef--but the rest is Pure Genius, though


Posted by: Jules, calling a quarter pounder a Royale at April 30, 2014 08:43 AM (JyjXt)

219 Meanwhile.... an Islamic Imam in America... who has been an outspoken Critic of the President of Turkey, has been convicted in a Turkish court as an enemy of the State.... It will be interesting to see if we Extradite this guy... as what he said is OK under US Law...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2014 08:43 AM (84gbM)

220 I'm writing a book on the case, tentatively titled, "A Dago Stabbing In Florence." http://t.co/roacZNziiH Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2014 01:42 PM (CJjw5) as a card carrying wop, I take 0 offense. Immune to it. However, you beaners and micks get touchy.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:44 AM (x3YFz)

221 No beef is 100%. Some percentage is fat, a bunch is water, some small part is particulates. Posted by: bonhomme

Like fingers?

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:44 AM (MNq6o)

222 88% lean and 12% fat or 88% beef and 12% whatever?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:44 AM (LJ7Ze)

223 I'm writing a book on the case, tentatively titled, "A Dago Stabbing In Florence." Neither Meredith Kircher, Amanda Knox or Rudy Guede are Italian. Just Sollecito. I take the dago/wop/guinea stuff here in stride most of the time. Hell, I even join in. My people aren't the type to get outrageously outraged. But it does seem like you just really, really wanted to say "dago." Because otherwise, the title makes no sense.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 08:44 AM (7ObY1)

224

>>>>Fells Acre Daycare?

 

Its about 75 leagues south of Winterfell on the GoT intro

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at April 30, 2014 08:45 AM (3ZtZW)

225 The environmental official went on to claim that Obama was going to institute "environmental justice" for minorities. You know who deserves "environmental justice"? People who experience fucking winter. Aw, youw widdwe twopical pawadise might be a widdwe wess comfy? Too fucking bad.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:45 AM (T0NGe)

226 I'm doing the bowtie thinger [on head] I can't pay the rent! [mustache] You must pay the rent! [at collar] I'l pay the rent! [mustache] Curses! - [Mustache] the whip! [Hair] No! Please! Anything but the whip! [Mustache] THE WHIP!!! [Hair] No! Please! Anything but the whip! [Mustache] Anything? [Hair] The whip! The whip!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2014 08:45 AM (XUKZU)

227 Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 01:44 PM (7ObY1) Here, let me introduce you to Empire "Pez dispenser of Hate" of Jeff.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:45 AM (PYAXX)

228 This was inspired by Harry Potter books, because, for serious, Harry Potter is Sex on Wheels. Ahem. My Immortal. *micdrop* Rules for Morons Number One people. I am not responsible for what happens when you all corgi off to break it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2014 08:45 AM (mf5HN)

229 The environmental official went on to claim that Obama was going to institute "environmental justice" for minorities. You know who deserves "environmental justice"? People who experience fucking winter. Aw, youw widdwe twopical pawadise might be a widdwe wess comfy? Too fucking bad. Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 01:45 PM (T0NGe) what, exactly, is "environmental justice?"

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (x3YFz)

230 >>> I would be surprised if they didn't. This is a big deal over there for some reason. i think their goal is to get amanda and/or rafael to "confess" in exchange for setting them free (time served). They just don't want to admit how stupid and corrupt their system is, or how they abused her during interrogation.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (/FnUH)

231 The Florence court in January said that Knox, who also was convicted of slander, was sentenced in absentia to 28 years in prison. Can she serve it in absentia? Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 01:15 PM (ltXvY) Which brings to mind Brendan Behan's quote about once being tried by an internal IRA kangaroo court “They tried me in absentia, convicted me in absentia, and sentenced me to death in absentia. So, I said they could execute me in absentia.”

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (TIIx5)

232 This bears repeating. Whatever is making people stupid, it's affecting the entire planet. Just imagine how calm and centered you would be if you JUST GAVE IN. Don't fight it anymore.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (8ZskC)

233 I think Taco Bell puts oatmeal into their ground beef, if I'm not mistaken. For texture.

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (/29Nl)

234 Yeah Fatty Arbuckle after a weekend of getting sloshed with friends wakes up to find an almost unknown stringer, whom they thought was merely passed out, was dead in Fatty's room from a burst bladder I think.

Fatty was tried three times, found innocent three times, and his career was still destroyed. The Hayes Office was created and when Fatty was finally offered a new role, he died that night.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

You'd think that maybe would have killed off the whole entourage thing.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (MNq6o)

235 179 You know, every so often something happens that reminds me how lucky I am to live in the United States of America.
This is one of them. "Oh, we didn't get a conviction. Oh, well, we'll just keep trying until we do."
***

George Zimmerman thought that too, I'm sure...

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (5OEha)

236 Did you see the article I linked too? Besides, it's all in good fun. I married a guinea and have four half-wop kids.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2014 08:46 AM (CJjw5)

237 I am not responsible for what happens when you all corgi off to break it. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2014 01:45 PM (mf5HN) Rest assured, we never asked you to be.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (x3YFz)

238 I think I am an eighth or maybe a sixteenth whopian. That would explain my tendency to destroy machines I am repairing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (LJ7Ze)

239 I've killed some over the rent.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (oFCZn)

240 My hand smells like taco meat.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (oDCMR)

241

I'm a little mystified at the sentence.  Isn't the usual Italian sentence for rent dispute crimes "burning at the stake"? 

 

Just what the hell is going on over there, anyway?  Follow the law and burn her;  quit making up stuff (like 28 1/2 year prison sentences).

Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (LISuA)

242 McMartin Daycare?  There was a similar one in south Florida.  Janet Reno managed to get the teen boy convicted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (W6ugU)

243 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?" Posted by: tangonine

Psst,  it's in you wallet.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (MNq6o)

244 i think their goal is to get amanda and/or rafael to "confess" in exchange for setting them free (time served).

They just don't want to admit how stupid and corrupt their system is, or how they abused her during interrogation.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (/FnUH)


si, si, commendatore

Posted by: Jules, calling a quarter pounder a Royale at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (JyjXt)

245 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?" Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz) It's where the Prog/Commies force you to give them billions of dollars in return for them giving 3rd-world dumps millions of dollars.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (PYAXX)

246 I think Taco Bell puts oatmeal into their ground **cat**, if I'm not mistaken. For texture. Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (/29Nl) Fixed.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:47 AM (x3YFz)

247 178 Amanda may be fairly safe now that she's home, but Rafaelle Sollecito is well and truly fucked. Dude was here in the USA for a little while. He really should have stayed here. Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 01:37 PM (7ObY1) We have extradition treaties with Italy. We are also both part of Interpol... and Interpol Agents were given Diplomatic immunity by Executive Order of the Obama Administration. She is not safe IMO....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2014 08:48 AM (84gbM)

248

No beef is 100%. Some
percentage is fat, a bunch is water, some small part is particulates.


Posted by: bonhomme

 

Have a little priest.

Posted by: Sweeney Todd at April 30, 2014 08:48 AM (zF6Iw)

249 I don't care if you're friends with dagos, or you sleep with dagos, I just don't want to see pictures of you with those ravioli-folders on my Instagram feed.

Posted by: Donald Sterling at April 30, 2014 08:48 AM (/FnUH)

250
what, exactly, is "environmental justice?"

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz)


Whatever an EPA official and/or environmentalist is pointing to when they speak the words "environmental justice."

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (RD7QR)

251 Psst, it's in you wallet. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:47 PM (MNq6o) (looks at dust and lint in wallet) You sure?

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (x3YFz)

252 The environmental official went on to claim that Obama was going to institute "environmental justice" for minorities. One aspect of that is moving industry out of areas with a high proportion of minorities, because pollution. You know, the areas most in need of the jobs provided by said industries, populated by people less likely to own a car.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (SY2Kh)

253 Go for a Declaration of War. They can't extradite if we give them the Dresden Treatment for the next 40 years or so.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (LJ7Ze)

254 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?" Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz) You people over there have too much money. Gimme.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (TIIx5)

255 "The only problem is that there has never been any evidence of any kind..."

In many ways this is the the story of Obama

Posted by: drill_thrawl at April 30, 2014 08:49 AM (Z7toi)

256 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?"

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz)


Nuking Outer Space to teach it a lesson for being such a cold, poor hating racist, wager of wars against women.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (tWmgi)

257 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?" Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz) Whatever we say it is.... because the Supremes just said we could...

Posted by: Obama Admin's EPA at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (84gbM)

258 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?"

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz)


-----


it is for minorities.... apparently....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (nELVU)

259 Psst, it's in you wallet.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:47 PM (MNq6o)

(looks at dust and lint in wallet)

You sure? Posted by: tangonine

Check your neighbor's wallet.  Nothing?  Where'd all the justice go?

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (MNq6o)

260 No trial by jury, just a single judge who doesn't give a shit what the prosecutor and cops did to force a "confession" from you? Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with "fuck off" on that one, Italy. Keep shipping those Barolos and Brunellos, but let's just keep it casual.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (CJjw5)

261 I have to say, the idea that a ruling isn't final until an appeals court gives the OK isn't a bad idea for us. I.e., one little pissant Federal judge shouldn't be able to declare a law unconstitutional on a whim.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (T0NGe)

262 Seriously? Geez, I hate those fuckers. My husband has quit cigarrettes by vaping. It is the first thing he has tried that didn't leave him angry and shaky all the time. Same here. Two years as of April 1st.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (ltXvY)

263 Italy couldn't even conquer Greece in 1940.  You think they can conquer the concept of due process of law?

Posted by: SFGoth at April 30, 2014 08:50 AM (VFAX/)

264 252 McMartin Daycare? There was a similar one in south Florida. Janet Reno managed to get the teen boy convicted. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 01:47 PM (W6ugU) I remember that case even though I was fairly young. What a travesty that was. There are still parents saying they can prove tunnels existed under the daycare center. The initial accuser was a crazy crackpot who ended up dying from chronic alcoholism. What really happened was women moved into the workforce in big numbers during that time period and the guilt that they weren't raising their own kids exploded into that travesty. There were many others as well.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (oFCZn)

265 You forget, Italy almost didn't conquer Ethiopia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (W6ugU)

266 *buzzword* Justice = Communism.

I'm starting to correct everyone who uses one of those newspeak terms by just saying, "You mean Communism?"

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (/29Nl)

267

>>>They can't extradite if we give them the Dresden Treatment for the next 40 years or so.

 

You're right. Dresden was an awful show.

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (3ZtZW)

268 They just don't want to admit how stupid and corrupt their system is, or how they abused her during interrogation. Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (/FnUH) It's a kangaroo court. In the US they do it via judge shopping.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (x3YFz)

269 http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ Click on the clickie things and read the whole damn thing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:51 AM (LJ7Ze)

270 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?"
***

Think of it as yet another new way for the government to have angry sex with your wallet.

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 08:52 AM (5OEha)

271 Holy shit, holy shit, holy shit. OT, but big (and possibly old news by now) IL state rep who resigned last month charged with involvement in child pornography and chat. Guess the party? link in sig

Posted by: Lauren at April 30, 2014 08:52 AM (CNua6)

272 Interpol is a bureaucratic quasi-official organization which does not have the power to extradite anyone.


The two governments involved ( the State Dept and the Italian Foreign Ministry ) would start the process, and the national judiciary of both countries would have to agree


ain't gonna happen...

Posted by: Jules, calling a quarter pounder a Royale at April 30, 2014 08:53 AM (JyjXt)

273 Remember, Europe's culture and institutions are superior, and the Progs are working hard to implement their practices and standards here.

Posted by: whoever at April 30, 2014 08:53 AM (pjMym)

274 I saw Dresden Treatment open for Billy Idol back in 1985.

Posted by: MacGruber at April 30, 2014 08:53 AM (S+el1)

275 What a travesty that was. There are still parents saying they can prove tunnels existed under the daycare center.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

Is that the case where the coerced kid testified they had witnessed giraffes being sacrificed to satan and all that shit?

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:53 AM (MNq6o)

276 No beef is 100%. Some percentage is fat, a bunch is water, some small part is particulates. Posted by: bonhomme Beef fat still counts as beef. When you buy a pound of 80% lean ground beef at the store, it's still 100% beef. What they're talking about is 88% beef/beef fat, and 12% other stuff that did not come from a cow.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (SY2Kh)

277 OT:  New Asian trailer for Godzilla pretty badass:  http://tinyurl.com/nq8bp7u

"Let the monsters fight." 

Oh, HELL YEAH!

Posted by: Sharkman at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (TM1p8)

278 A transportation proposal sent to Congress by the Obama administration on Tuesday would remove a prohibition on tolls for existing Interstate highways, clearing the way for states to raise revenue on roads that drivers currently use at no cost. Congress banned tolls on Interstates in 1956 when it created the national highway system under President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly tolling” Obama at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (e8kgV)

279 My money is on a parasite spread by cats, like Toxoplasmosis or T. godii. "The most substantial body of evidence linking T. gondii to a neurological disorder involves the potential association between schizophrenia and infection with the parasite." Posted by: yep at April 30, 2014 01:42 PM (N7QgG) I actually have a theory to explain the plague like spread of stupidity. We have become so prosperous that we can afford stupidity. Reality doesn't bite off people's heads anymore for behaving stupidly. In the past, the real idiots Darwined themselves and people had to struggle just to survive. Nowadays, surviving is too easy, and their are few fatal consequences to stupid behavior or stupid thinking.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (bb5+k)

280 The French System is founded on that whole Atheist revolution back in the late 1700's. Guillotines.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (LJ7Ze)

281 285 Remember, Europe's culture and institutions are superior, and the Progs are working hard to implement their practices and standards here.

Posted by: whoever at April 30, 2014 01:53 PM (pjMym)


Absolutely. And it all begins with high-speed rail!

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (RD7QR)

282 I mean, Gawd but I hated having roommates still... $300? Prolly makes more sense in a country where dudes live w/ their Moms well into their 30s. Or, actually, no no it does not.

Posted by: Deety at April 30, 2014 08:54 AM (D8ONs)

283 Lauren, perhaps we should ask Italy will they take Keith Farnham in lieu of Amanda Knox?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 08:55 AM (W6ugU)

284 The two governments involved ( the State Dept and the Italian Foreign Ministry ) would start the process, and the national judiciary of both countries would have to agree This would be the Italian judiciary which just convicted Amanda Knox on, basically, no evidence, and the 9th Circus which is no stranger to using foreign law in their decisions. Do I have that right? And you're sure she won't be extradited?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:55 AM (PYAXX)

285 She's a very pretty murderess. Get over it.

Posted by: Supreme Being at April 30, 2014 08:55 AM (UDPvg)

286 From now on she'll have to take her vacations in Mexico.

Posted by: Buffalobob at April 30, 2014 08:55 AM (eF8yS)

287 In keeping with the story, rather than "Je ne sais quoi" how about "Non so che cosa"

Posted by: Bori at April 30, 2014 08:55 AM (kcMMa)

288 Posted by: Lauren at April 30, 2014 01:52 PM (CNua6)

But Michael Grimm's (R-NY) finances!

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2014 08:56 AM (tWmgi)

289 Scary. I always loved traveling in Italy. But, why risk it?

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 30, 2014 08:56 AM (8c12T)

290 I am paying $600 for a bullshit efficiency that isn't in Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:56 AM (LJ7Ze)

291 >>> So now it's a trivial argument about the rent (which was like $300 per month) which "escalates" into a brutal three-way rape/murder with a drifter. The wimmens, they be-a crazy, no? Que Sera Sera.

Posted by: Italian Justice System at April 30, 2014 08:56 AM (yRwC8)

292 Soy.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2014 01:36 PM (ltXvY)


Seriously, the lack of protein in a typical liberal diet causes brain damage. There are reasons that Lisa Kudrow's characterization of Phoebe Boufet rang so true - people like that are rarely meat eaters.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (ylhEn)

293 Posted by: Supreme Being at April 30, 2014 01:55 PM (UDPvg) Either we have a new one, or Tom Sawyer is now also guilty of Blasphemy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (PYAXX)

294 Posted by: Lauren at April 30, 2014 01:52 PM (CNua6) __________ Local news story.

Posted by: CNN at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (0LHZx)

295 what, exactly, is "environmental justice?" Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz) It's "social justice" with the word "social" removed and the word "environmental" put in its place. Or, as stated above, "gimme gimme gimme" from the greediest people in the world - the Social Justice League.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (qyfb5)

296 302 I am paying $600 for a bullshit efficiency that isn't in Italy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:56 PM (LJ7Ze)


Dude, in the northeast $600 would get you a cardboard box. The steam grate is $50 extra.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (RD7QR)

297 WTF is wrong with those dicks?

Posted by: Max Power at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (q177U)

298 >>>She's a very pretty murderess. Get over it. ... the only people who consider her looks in this are people like yourself. you guys are constantly invoking it. Issues.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (/FnUH)

299 The French System is founded on that whole Atheist revolution back in the late 1700's. Guillotines. Posted by: Boss Moss

Kinda creepy that the last time the French used the guillotine was in 1977.  Even the East Germans stopped using it in 1966.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 08:57 AM (MNq6o)

300 Either we have a new one, or Tom Sawyer is now also guilty of Blasphemy. *** Yep. the comment is right in line with his usual BS.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 08:58 AM (DmNpO)

301 Remember, Europe's culture and institutions are superior, and the Progs are working hard to implement their practices and standards here. Posted by: whoever at April 30, 2014 01:53 PM (pjMym) heh. Reminds me of some mobys that showed up in last night's ONT (not directed at you, who). Doom and gloom. Don't bother voting. Hillary will win no matter what you think crew. Nothing to be gained in 2014, we're doomed, etc etc. Welp. Newsflash: The American people are this | | far from full on ass kicking. We're stronger than the pansies. No tea sipping here, as in Europe. I like my coffee seasoned with a little JP-4 and perhaps some gunpowder for a kick. We Fight. You Run.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 08:58 AM (x3YFz)

302 Is that the case where the coerced kid testified they had witnessed giraffes being sacrificed to satan and all that shit? Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:53 PM (MNq6o) Yeah, and a lot of other absolutely impossible bullshit. The kids were coached by "experts". Imagine that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 30, 2014 08:58 AM (oFCZn)

303 It depends on who they get in the 9th Circus.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 30, 2014 08:58 AM (qyfb5)

304 Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 08:58 AM (LJ7Ze)

305 Whatever we say it is.... because the Supremes just said we could... Posted by: Obama Admin's EPA at April 30, 2014 01:50 PM (84gbM) I second that emotion.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2014 08:59 AM (TIIx5)

306 316 Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:58 PM (LJ7Ze) _________ Not just art. Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:00 AM (0LHZx)

307 Pizza boycott?

Posted by: eman at April 30, 2014 09:00 AM (Ja7eg)

308 316 Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:58 PM (LJ7Ze)


WWI was the heavy blow; WWII was the coup de grace. They're a zombie culture now.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 09:00 AM (RD7QR)

309 Scary. I always loved traveling in Italy. But, why risk it? Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott

Just don't get in an argument over the rent.  Apparently that shit escalates real quick over there.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 09:00 AM (MNq6o)

310

Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately?

 

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Milo Moire at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (tIvOy)

311 I am paying $600 for a bullshit efficiency that isn't in Italy. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:56 PM (LJ7Ze) Dude, in the northeast $600 would get you a cardboard box. The steam grate is $50 extra. *** In the late 90's my employer consolidated a number of offices into the Jax HQ. The folks from the NE were astounded at how much space they could get for their money. One couple rented a 1600 sq ft apartment for about $800 per month in a great part of town. A few years later they moved back to NJ and suddenly remembered what they had left behind a few years earlier. They ended up in a tiny one bedroom for more than $1600 per month.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (DmNpO)

312

Congress banned tolls on Interstates in 1956 when it created the national highway system under President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

 

 

-----

 

 

The interstates were fully funded by the gas tax, and continued to be repaired through the same system, until - wait for it,  urban transit and rail systems began to get a third of the gas tax revenue.

 

Just for the record, bus lines    cost twice what single    passenger  vehicles cost per    passenger mile, and pollute more.  Trains are something like twice as expensive as buses.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (eoeps)

313 Welp. Newsflash: The American people are this | | far from full on ass kicking. We're stronger than the pansies. Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 01:58 PM (x3YFz) ______________ How do you figure that? 50% of the population is on some kind of govt cheese. Why would they ass kick anyone and rock the boat?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (0LHZx)

314 Pizza boycott? Posted by: eman at April 30, 2014 02:00 PM (Ja7eg) Naa. Pizza ain't Italian anyway, and I like it too much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (PYAXX)

315 178 Amanda may be fairly safe now that she's home, but Rafaelle Sollecito is well and truly fucked. Dude was here in the USA for a little while. He really should have stayed here. Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2014 01:37 PM (7ObY1) Yeah, I really feel sorry for the guy.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (8c12T)

316 "that she played her guitar and sung too often -- again, not your classic murder motives"

___________________________________

Evidence that you're clearly "out of touch," Ace.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 30, 2014 09:01 AM (nnkXw)

317 I don't need to be an expert to see that when the prosecution constantly shifts it's theories that they've got nothing. It's like Mann hiding data, or Pelosi's "pass it to see what's in it", their methods betray their motives.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 09:02 AM (ZshNr)

318 How do you figure that? 50% of the population is on some kind of govt cheese. Why would they ass kick anyone and rock the boat? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 02:01 PM (0LHZx) That's up to them. Slavery or freedom? Pick.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:02 AM (x3YFz)

319 Amanda Knox was probably sent by her rich liberal parents to Italy to receive a superior European education and experience. Superior to that of America. Well she did become fluent in Italian.

Posted by: deepred at April 30, 2014 09:03 AM (QOxJr)

320 late 90s...NYC...I shared a 2 bedroom apartment in an OK part of town, lower 90s for $2300. And that was considered a hell of a deal. Didn't even have A/C.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:03 AM (0LHZx)

321 28 years seems harsh. Should've come to Norway.

Posted by: Anders Breivik at April 30, 2014 09:03 AM (oFCZn)

322 That's up to them. Slavery or freedom? Pick. Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:02 PM (x3YFz) _________ OK, fine it's up to them. And they've made their choice...govt cheese is easier than working.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:03 AM (0LHZx)

323 Testing

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 09:03 AM (JNmpX)

324 late 90s...NYC...I shared a 2 bedroom apartment in an OK part of town, lower 90s for $2300. That's more than my mortgage. Significantly more, in fact.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 09:04 AM (PYAXX)

325 If you are black you can travel to Italy do a few burglaries and even cut throats. Guede is eligible to attend classes on campus. But if you are white you are screwed. That Harry Pothead Boy is Italian and they still F'ed him over.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:04 AM (LJ7Ze)

326

Testing

 

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 09:04 AM (eEBON)

327 WednesdayÂ’s Obama Schedule 3:10 pm || Delivers remarks on the Amanda Knox trial; The East Room

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:04 AM (fWAjv)

328 Hey, shit happens. 

Posted by: Kafka at April 30, 2014 09:04 AM (LISuA)

329 Pizza boycott? Posted by: eman at April 30, 2014 02:00 PM (Ja7eg) Naa. Pizza ain't Italian anyway, and I like it too much. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 02:01 PM (PYAXX) All the italian dishes from my grandmother contained zero marinara. Hate that crap. Olive oil, baby. Virgin, and it can't be over a month old or it loses all the flavor.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:05 AM (x3YFz)

330 339 WednesdayÂ’s Obama Schedule

3:10 pm || Delivers remarks on the Amanda Knox trial; The East Room

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:04 PM (fWAjv)


You're snarking, right?

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (RD7QR)

331 WednesdayÂ’s Obama Schedule 3:10 pm || Delivers remarks on the Amanda Knox trial; The East Room Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:04 PM (fWAjv) Because the Ukraine is totally handled right? FORE!

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (x3YFz)

332 You don't have to prove motive That being said, this is shameful Rather than admit their error, the state would rather incarcerate to innocent young people I would like to think that couldn't happen here, but there are a lot of things happening I never thought were possible

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (zOTsN)

333 Significantly more, in fact. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 02:04 PM (PYAXX) ________- And this was 15 years ago. Today that same place is $3000 easy. Yeah it was (and is) insane crazy to live in NYC. But my starting salary out of college in NYC, when I had this apartment was enough to make it affordable. I could have rented the same apartment for $1000 in Dallas or something, but my salary would have been 30% lower too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (0LHZx)

334 There's no understanding these terrible, unexplainable events in life. 

Posted by: Albert Camus at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (LISuA)

335 Speaking of Kafka, is it impossible that Obama declares that we're handing Knox over in furtherance of "international law"? I really don't think he's that far gone yet, and it wouldn't help him in the polls, but with this guy you never can tell.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (ZshNr)

336 Wasn't Knox doing cartwheels in the jail cell and dancing around and laughing? That sure isn't the behavior of an innocent girl.

Posted by: Gyaos at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (yWFG6)

337 Not just art. Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately?
***

Just needs more socialism and it will all work out...

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (5OEha)

338 Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately?

Posted by: Boss Moss


They have chicks with art-ejecting cooters now. So they've got that going for them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (pASf2)

339 316 Europe's Culture perished a hundred years ago. Noticed any Haydn's or Van Goghs lately? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 01:58 PM (LJ7Ze) Read an article a week or so ago which argued that WWI killed Europe's Culture. Seems about right.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 09:06 AM (bb5+k)

340 Nice to know Courts worldwide don't know the difference between their elbows and assholes.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 30, 2014 09:07 AM (HVff2)

341 Kinda creepy that the last time the French used the guillotine was in 1977. Even the East Germans stopped using it in 1966.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:57 PM (MNq6o)


Well, to be fair, it did get the job done fairly efficiently, unlike the "failed" lethal injection in, what was it, Nebraska?  Not that I would personally call that a "failure".  The perp did die.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 30, 2014 09:07 AM (USkkJ)

342 Not just art. Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 02:00 PM (0LHZx) The Dyson vacuum? I love that sucka. Other than that can't think of anything.

Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2014 09:07 AM (yRwC8)

343 If we imported anything from the failed state of Italy we could boycott. I think only Olive Oil and $hitty cars come from there.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:07 AM (LJ7Ze)

344 Maybe she will find God in all this hot mess, and it'll all turn out slightly less than terrible.  Not good, you understand (because life doesn't work that way), but at least not completely horrible.

Posted by: Doesteyevsky at April 30, 2014 09:08 AM (LISuA)

345 Guys! You guys! I know who did it! I solved it! http://youtu.be/FONN-0uoTHI

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2014 09:08 AM (mf5HN)

346 But they found Amanda's DNA in her bathroom! Guilty!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2014 09:08 AM (SY2Kh)

347 Remind me to stay the fuck out of Italy. Since Rome is no longer the center of civilization, the Italian justice system has followed suit and become a fucking joke. No wonder the mafia has operated for hundreds of years there.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2014 09:08 AM (xWW96)

348 SCCA, Fiat 600 style...
http://youtu.be/8mgePerzsEw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (W6ugU)

349 Outgoing Health and Human Services Sec. Kathleen Sebelius is now refusing to testify before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies, a Senate aide told The Daily Caller Tuesday.

Sebelius had originally been set to testify before the subcommittee about the departmentÂ’s 2015 $70 billion budget request on April 2.

According to another aide, however, several weeks after confirming the hearing date, she requested a date switch with the National Institutes of Health budget hearing on May 7. The committee accommodated her request.

Now, after announcing her resignation on April 11, she is refusing to testify according to the two aides, even though she is still the sitting secretary — remaining at the post until her successor, OMB Director Sylvia Mathews Burwell is confirmed.

“It appears that Sec. Sebelius has unilaterally decided that she is no longer accountable to Congress,” the first aide said.

Posted by: Secretary Syphilis at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (e8kgV)

350 Congress banned tolls on Interstates in 1956 when it created the national highway system under President Dwight D. Eisenhower. ----- The interstates were fully funded by the gas tax, and continued to be repaired through the same system, until - wait for it, urban transit and rail systems began to get a third of the gas tax revenue. Just for the record, bus lines cost twice what single passenger vehicles cost per passenger mile, and pollute more. Trains are something like twice as expensive as buses. *** The tolls on I-95 bridges in Jax were only removed in 1990. The Feds may not have been allowed collect the money, but local authorities could, and did.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (DmNpO)

351 Kinda creepy that the last time the French used the guillotine was in 1977. Even the East Germans stopped using it in 1966. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 01:57 PM (MNq6o) Le Guillotine was also the favored execution method of the Gestapo. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (TIIx5)

352

Well, to be fair, it did get the job done fairly efficiently, unlike the "failed" lethal injection

 

---

Guillotine is    efficient, nooses are cheap and quick.  I don't know why we look for more expensive ways to distribute justice.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (eoeps)

353 Knox strikes me as a bit Aspie and being Aspie in any court system is a huge disadvantage. Every eccentricity is seen as proof of guilt

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (zOTsN)

354 Not just art. Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 02:00 PM (0LHZx) The Dyson vacuum? I love that sucka. Other than that can't think of anything. Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2014 02:07 PM (yRwC I do love their cars. not the little ghey ones shaped like boxes. The fast sexy ones.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (x3YFz)

355 You don't have to prove motive No, but when you don't have any *other* evidence, either, a motive at least explains why you wasted your resources in looking at a given suspect/defendant.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 09:09 AM (PYAXX)

356 Come on peeps...saying you won't go to Italy because of this is as absurd as Euros saying they won't come to America for fear of being shot cuz of all the guns in the country.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:10 AM (0LHZx)

357 Because the Ukraine is totally handled right? FORE! Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:06 PM (x3YFz) It's actually about the minimum wage hike. But I am just going to start filling it in with inane bullshit squirrels. But yeah, he has all the important stuff handled.

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:10 AM (fWAjv)

358 Hey AoP, here is a car auction for you.  Has a couple XK120s, an XK140, and even an XKE.

http://issuu.com/motostalgia/docs/skw14_issuufinalsm?e=8756490/7526443

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 09:10 AM (W6ugU)

359 Let's offer the Italians Sebelius in trade.  They can have Samantha Power if Sebelius isn't enough.

Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2014 09:11 AM (LISuA)

360 Wasn't Knox doing cartwheels in the jail cell and dancing around and laughing? That sure isn't the behavior of an innocent girl. So you're saying that's the behavior of a girl guilty of murder and facing a lengthy prison sentence?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2014 09:11 AM (SY2Kh)

361 I do love their cars. not the little ghey ones shaped like boxes. The fast sexy ones. Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:09 PM (x3YFz) __________ But that's still not all that innovative. They make pretty looking fast cars (that break down a lot). But when's the last time a major auto innovation came from Europe?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:11 AM (0LHZx)

362 This new story about how there supposedly had to be 2 people involved and the new motive of the rent dispute may be an attempt to isolate Knox and turn Sollecito. A new theory that could be used to blame Knox alone. HE is the one in the most danger. If they could get him to lie to save their stupid faces,...... From all I've read about him, he will most definitely NOT lie, but they have recourse to terrible coercive power. Nasty, horrible business all around.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 30, 2014 09:12 AM (dfYL9)

363

>>>Not just art. Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately?

 

Not a lot that's allowable here in the USA. There are some very fuel efficient  euro diesel engines, for example.

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at April 30, 2014 09:12 AM (3ZtZW)

364 It's actually about the minimum wage hike. But I am just going to start filling it in with inane bullshit squirrels. But yeah, he has all the important stuff handled. Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:10 PM (fWAjv) Yeah, at this point I expect every time he speaks he's a) Lying b) Diverting c) Skared d) All of the above guess which one I pick?

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:12 AM (x3YFz)

365 Exercising in your cell is the surest sign of guilt.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 09:12 AM (ZshNr)

366 But that's still not all that innovative. They make pretty looking fast cars (that break down a lot). But when's the last time a major auto innovation came from Europe? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 02:11 PM (0LHZx) You should change your nic to Negative Nancy. Don't get invited to too many parties, do you?

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:14 AM (x3YFz)

367 377 Exercising in your cell is the surest sign of guilt.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 02:12 PM (ZshNr)


Oh good, I'm in the clear.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 09:14 AM (RD7QR)

368 Moral of the story: never go to Italy.

Posted by: gm at April 30, 2014 09:14 AM (rTPHV)

369 377 Exercising in your cell is the surest sign of guilt. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 30, 2014 02:12 PM (ZshNr) As is lying around doing nothing. Or reading. Or writing. Or twiddling your thumbs.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2014 09:14 AM (mx5oN)

370 WednesdayÂ’s Obama Schedule 3:10 pm || Delivers remarks on rumors of Oprah buying the Clippers; The East Room

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:14 AM (fWAjv)

371 I never saw anyone doing cart wheels in court or jail. That just makes her a garden variety borne head. Starch on a knife that isn't the murder weapon plus finding your DNA in your own bathroom = 0.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (LJ7Ze)

372 You should change your nic to Negative Nancy. Don't get invited to too many parties, do you? Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:14 PM (x3YFz) __________ OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (0LHZx)

373  *buzzword* Justice = Communism.

I'm starting to correct everyone who uses one of those newspeak terms by just saying, "You mean Communism?"

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 01:51 PM (/29Nl)

 

 

--------------------------------------

 

 

Very much this.  Justice, as used by the leftists, only means, "spread the wealth around".

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (ECnGp)

374 Well for once it wasn't us.

Posted by: Da Mob at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (N3Al8)

375 380 Moral of the story: never go to Italy. Posted by: gm at April 30, 2014 02:14 PM (rTPHV) This. Their justice system is Third World, at best, it seems.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (mx5oN)

376 guess which one I pick? Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:12 PM (x3YFz) That would be D sir.

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:15 AM (fWAjv)

377 Go to Italy just bring all four heavy divisions.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (LJ7Ze)

378 Gee, Anna. Some nice cars, I think, but that auction catalog sure is slow loading.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (USkkJ)

379 Notice any new technology coming from England or France or Germany lately? Actually, the Airbus A380 is a pretty damn impressive airplane. It's hard to believe its put together by Frenchmen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (8ZskC)

380 One more test.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (eEBON)

381 OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 30, 2014 02:15 PM (0LHZx) I just said I like Ferraris. You don't? Never claimed to be an engineer of auto engine design. Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (x3YFz)

382 Too much soy damages the thyroid, I believe.

If you're going to fuck up a gland, that ain't the one to fuck up.

Posted by: grognard at April 30, 2014 09:16 AM (/29Nl)

383 Douglas Preston also has a short ebook out co-authored by forensic experts, etc. on the evidence in the case. It is short, but gives a good outline of the issues and evidence. http://www.amazon.com/The-Forgotten-Killer-Meredith-Kercher-ebook/dp/B00I3QZ7G0

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 30, 2014 09:17 AM (MIKMs)

384 Anna, I'll be at that auction this weekend.  Showing my car at the same venue.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 09:17 AM (eEBON)

385 Going to Italy in May. I'll try not to be around dead people on the trip

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:17 AM (zOTsN)

386 3:10 pm || Delivers remarks on rumors of Oprah buying the Clippers; The East Room
***

You know, I was thinking yesterday on the drive home that if the universe wanted to prove it had a sense of of humor,  it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers. 

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 09:17 AM (5OEha)

387 I haven't exercised in months. That means I have an alibi and couldn't possibly have committed any crimes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (LJ7Ze)

388 Going to Italy in May. I'll try not to be around dead people on the trip Don't go spreading your DNA, either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (8ZskC)

389 Guillotine is efficient, nooses are cheap and quick. I don't know why we look for more expensive ways to distribute justice. Posted by: Vashta Nerada

The clean up after using a guillotine has to be a deal breaker.  Rope snapping a neck seems good.  I like that the person in charge of hanging the nazis after the Nuremberg trials "miscalculated" and the convicted nazis were strangled.  They apparently also hung Goering's fat ass even though he had already committed suicide.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (MNq6o)

390 Exercising in your cell is the surest sign of guilt. ----- Don't forget she and Rafaelle were also--gasp--hugging at the police station. Seeking human comfort after the death of a friend is another sure indicator of guilt, you see.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (4Ryku)

391 Some helicopters come out of France and italy. Paris air show?

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (zOTsN)

392 You know, I was thinking yesterday on the drive home that if the universe wanted to prove it had a sense of of humor, it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers.

Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 02:17 PM (5OEha)


Would they have to wear the underwear? (Yes yes, self-denounced and all that.)

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (RD7QR)

393 it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers. Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 02:17 PM (5OEha) Sarah Palin. Wear plastic (exploding heads and all)

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (x3YFz)

394 There are a bunch of nice cars in that catalog.  The Porsches and Shelbys are spiffy also.

Well time to toddle off.  See everyone later.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (W6ugU)

395 Wayne Dupree ★彡 ‏@WayneDupreeShow 4m BREAKING! ObamaÂ’s Boy Jay Carney battles ABC John Karl; Email Docs had nothing to do with Benghazi

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (fWAjv)

396 Is she a racist?

No?


FORE!

Posted by: Lord Barry of Douchebag at April 30, 2014 09:18 AM (5ikDv)

397 The Koch Brothers ink deal to purchase the Clippers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:19 AM (LJ7Ze)

398 The Koch Brothers ink deal to purchase the Clippers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:19 AM (LJ7Ze)

399 I will be ok. I'm not a hugger and I could never do a cartwheel. Exercise? Just my thumbs

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (zOTsN)

400 I will be ok. I'm not a hugger and I could never do a cartwheel. Exercise? Just my thumbs

Posted by: Thunderb at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (zOTsN)

401 405 it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers. Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 02:17 PM (5OEha) Koch brothers for maximum head explosions.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (mx5oN)

402 405 it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers. Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 02:17 PM (5OEha) Koch brothers for maximum head explosions.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (mx5oN)

403 Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:18 PM (fWAjv) **headdesk** You know, what really annoys me about the WH Press Pool is that they *still* pretend to take Jay Carney seriously.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (PYAXX)

404 Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:18 PM (fWAjv) **headdesk** You know, what really annoys me about the WH Press Pool is that they *still* pretend to take Jay Carney seriously.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (PYAXX)

405
OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo


Merc Benz's BluTec, diesel hybrid.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (pASf2)

406
OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo


Merc Benz's BluTec, diesel hybrid.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/s] at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (pASf2)

407 OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years. My car tells me when I'm driving like I'm tired or drunk, so there's that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (8ZskC)

408 OK Mr. Sunshine, tell me the last major auto innovation from Europe in the past 15 years. My car tells me when I'm driving like I'm tired or drunk, so there's that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (8ZskC)

409 Email Docs had nothing to do with Benghazi Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:18 PM (fWAjv) Carney. He'd be best, once he leaves his post, to never, ever, visit a bar in flyover country.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (x3YFz)

410 Email Docs had nothing to do with Benghazi Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 02:18 PM (fWAjv) Carney. He'd be best, once he leaves his post, to never, ever, visit a bar in flyover country.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:20 AM (x3YFz)

411 397 Watch out for your cornhole, Bud.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:21 AM (LJ7Ze)

412 397 Watch out for your cornhole, Bud.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 30, 2014 09:21 AM (LJ7Ze)

413 "But when's the last time a major auto innovation came from Europe?" 1990? When Ferrari introduced the paddle switch on the steering wheel to manual shift gears. Not that changing gears with a switch was a big deal but that the engine was computer controlled, the transmission was computer controlled, and the driver commanded the computer to change gears.

Posted by: Old Ned at April 30, 2014 09:23 AM (JkyLU)

414 "But when's the last time a major auto innovation came from Europe?" 1990? When Ferrari introduced the paddle switch on the steering wheel to manual shift gears. Not that changing gears with a switch was a big deal but that the engine was computer controlled, the transmission was computer controlled, and the driver commanded the computer to change gears.

Posted by: Old Ned at April 30, 2014 09:23 AM (JkyLU)

415 Here's some good news in American justice...

http://tinyurl.com/opfmnd8

1 month conviction for man who reaped 14 year old girl overturned.  Must serve at least 2 years.  This is the case about the girl who later killed herself.  Hopefully this scumbag will get a inmate imposed death sentence.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2014 09:23 AM (MNq6o)

416 Read an article a week or so ago which argued that WWI killed Europe's Culture. Seems about right.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 30, 2014 02:06 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

It was also the era when Woodrow Wilson and the progressives started  the real destruction of the Constitution.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2014 09:23 AM (ECnGp)

417 You know, what really annoys me about the WH Press Pool is that they *still* pretend to take Jay Carney seriously. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 30, 2014 02:20 PM (PYAXX) There's video of it but I can't get it to play. Again, I would love to know how Carney self medicates at the end of the day. --- Carney. He'd be best, once he leaves his post, to never, ever, visit a bar in flyover country. Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:20 PM (x3YFz) You saw his house and his family. No way they would 'go slumming' in regular America.

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:24 AM (fWAjv)

418 Baghdad Bob + Hillary Clinton = Jay Carney Solved.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:25 AM (x3YFz)

419 it would let Mitt Romney buy the Clippers. Posted by: B at April 30, 2014 02:17 PM (5OEha) Sarah Palin. Wear plastic (exploding heads and all) But imagine how disappointed she'd be when she discovered they weren't a hair salon.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2014 09:25 AM (SY2Kh)

420 Carney vid http://tinyurl.com/kbzr9dx (RightScoop)

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2014 09:27 AM (fWAjv)

421 "But when's the last time a major auto innovation came from Europe?" 1990? When Ferrari introduced the paddle switch on the steering wheel to manual shift gears. Not that changing gears with a switch was a big deal but that the engine was computer controlled, the transmission was computer controlled, and the driver commanded the computer to change gears. Posted by: Old Ned at April 30, 2014 02:23 PM (JkyLU) Moo Moo, again, is doing cartwheels in yoga pants through a minefield. Shit never gets old.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:27 AM (x3YFz)

422 The Bugatti    Veyron.  It rewrote the book on automotive design,  inside and out.  Granted,     there isn't one on every block, however......

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2014 09:27 AM (eoeps)

423 The Bugatti Veyron. It rewrote the book on automotive design, inside and out. Granted, there isn't one on every block, however...... Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2014 02:27 PM (eoeps) I drooled. More than usual.

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2014 09:29 AM (x3YFz)

424 tangonine at April 30, 2014 02:27 Shit, I had those switches on my Freightliner in the mid nineties. That transmission was a bitch though, trying to get it in gear, or back into gear after a hard stop or while trying to get into a loading dock that required stopping on a busy rail line.

Posted by: Old Ned at April 30, 2014 09:32 AM (JkyLU)

425 I saw a brown Fiat 500 about 2 weeks ago. It really did look like a motorized pile of dog-logs. Formerly, avoiding stepping in a pile was one of the usual concerns when walking outside. But Fiat has upped the game. Now I have to worry about being hit by one. Strangely, I think this combination of style and paint is one of the most effective anti-collision schemes ever devised. Welcome to the next level.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 30, 2014 09:33 AM (FlRtG)

426 With a name like Patrick Lumumba how could the Italian courts find him not guilty?

Posted by: The Gorn at April 30, 2014 09:34 AM (/EkKm)

427 But they found Amanda's DNA in her bathroom! Guilty! Welp, that settles it for me! DNA. What I learned from CSI is this: Criminals ALWAYS leave DNA and even if you can't always get it waving the blue lights, somehow DNA will be found proving that there is an identifiable culprit responsible for the murder. Because, let's face it folks, why would anyone who is not guilty of some heinous crime like murder or rape leave their DNA around? Think about it...

Posted by: Deety is super high at April 30, 2014 09:36 AM (D8ONs)

428 In other news Taco Bell admits their ground beef is only 88% ground beef.

I don't believe that for a second.  You can only barely reach double digits by using a very permissive definition of beef.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 30, 2014 09:37 AM (L02KD)

429 I think Hitler got people to laugh at murder.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2014 09:48 AM (5UteM)

430 Ace nailed it.

10. "I'm confused, was Satan supposed to pay the rent or what?" -- alexthechick

...unforgettable come back...

And you're right. Unless the murdered victim's family are idjits out to get the white American girl for not being the one murdered, they have not closure.

But then, does Italy believe in "closure" or just vendettas and over stuffed whitened sepulchers, or for those who can't afford a family sepulcher, guilty corruptions and skeletons swept under the rug?

No way would an Italian Judicial Court convict an Italian when there's an American scapegoat available.

Aside from Muslim nations* (I'm guessing some would refuse), which country on earth does not extradite to Italy? Doesn't that* limit Amanda's options to live out the Judge's insane scenario that painted her as cheap-skate Satan worshiping nymphomaniac -- selling herself into the white sex slave market?

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 30, 2014 09:54 AM (gmrH5)

431 They found Amanda's DNA on the KNIFE.

Posted by: Supreme Being at April 30, 2014 09:57 AM (UDPvg)

432 434 They found Amanda's DNA on the KNIFE.

Posted by: Supreme Being


I bet they would find her DNA on a lot of utensils IN HER OWN APARTMENT.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2014 09:59 AM (5UteM)

433 I hear they found DNA on AMANDA'S HAIR BRUSH!!!

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2014 10:00 AM (5UteM)

434 I think Hitler got people to laugh at murder. See? No one is all bad!

Posted by: Deety at April 30, 2014 10:03 AM (D8ONs)

435 432 I think Hitler got people to laugh at murder.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2014 02:48 PM (5UteM)

He did, but as with all else, he wasn't the first, nor was he the most creative at that. Since early 20th Century and the cultural disillusionment suffered through WWI and decadence following, grandiose speculations leading to the '29 Crash, and then the self righteous attitude of those who HAD jobs against those who lost all they had...

Gauging by "Cabaret" story setting, Berlin in particular was already worse than "seedy" -- where the 'cynics for profit' through blood money would kill for sport.

It didn't take one leader, and it wasn't just in Germany, but throughout Europe where fascists and communists alike killed political opponents and "weaklings" -- infamously "Because I Could" (establishing Clinton as crony regardless of chronology) terrorize in order to "be" king of the mountain.

Spain's civil war loser-communists v. fascists leaving monarchists dead and surviving communists all exiled; Mexico's civil wars of the 20th century, specifically the outlawing of the Catholic Church and killing faithful Christians for sport out of malice, laughing at the victims.

It isn't as if France's bigotry about all values didn't get the laughing at killing ball rolling, parading "Liberty, Justice and Fraternity" through the limitless blood flowing and then in through global Napoleonic Wars which also outlawed Catholicism. Lots of laughter while slaughtering "backwards, superstitious" Christians for the good of society. 

One of the latest quotes from the CinC is him bragging for laughs, "I'm getting pretty good at killing people."

Watch "Shakespeare Uncovered" episode one, Ethan Hawke on Macbeth, on this business of bloody-murderous-insanity taking hold of a man's mind and life -- the power of suggestion washing through paths of least resistance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0DdXPBhqw

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 30, 2014 10:18 AM (gmrH5)

436 Posted by: panzernashorn


That was a jab at ace's post, it was funny but about murder.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2014 10:25 AM (5UteM)

437 Whatever is making people stupid, it's affecting the entire planet.
...

My money is on a parasite spread by cats,


First off I refute your assumption that people were ever not stupid.  As for slandering cats I will let outside kitteh reply as soon as she comes back in the house and throws up on my laundry... again.

Posted by: It's better than insulin[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2014 10:27 AM (DL2i+)

438 The little whore did it. Get over it.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2014 10:37 AM (QIQ6j)

439 Did I not call that the pathetic trolls would bring up the knife that actually does not have her DNA on it and does not match any of the stab wounds.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2014 11:14 AM (7Dq3R)

440 Ace, this post reminds me to thank you for the Monster of Florence recommendation. Excellent book!

Posted by: Doug at April 30, 2014 12:02 PM (OqNvh)

441 TO ACE: Thanks for the recommendation of The Monster of Florence. Very eye-opening about the case, and even more so, the Italian mindset and system of justice!

Posted by: theforgetler at April 30, 2014 12:05 PM (xSWZi)

442 glad you guys enjoyed Monster of Florence. it's always nice to hear a recommendation went well.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 12:41 PM (/FnUH)

443 >>> This new story about how there supposedly had to be 2 people involved and the new motive of the rent dispute may be an attempt to isolate Knox and turn Sollecito. A new theory that could be used to blame Knox alone. HE is the one in the most danger. If they could get him to lie to save their stupid faces,...... From all I've read about him, he will most definitely NOT lie, but they have recourse to terrible coercive power. Nasty, horrible business all around. ... I fear you're right. Actually, there was a blurb for another story running with this one which suggested Sollecito might be willing to turn. Something just critical about Knox, like about her drawing attention or whatnot.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2014 12:44 PM (/FnUH)

444 "Incidentally, this "argument about the rent" is making its first appearance in the Knox/Kercher saga. This has never been proposed before, never been testified to before, and, as far as I know, the judge is just speculatin' about things that coulda maybe happened."

So it's not just pasta that Italians throw at the wall to see if it sticks.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 30, 2014 12:45 PM (KL49F)

445 Meanwhile, Guede is already serving a 16-year prison sentence after being convicted of Miss Kercher's murder at an earlier trial.

bbc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)

An article I read after the last appeal reported that Rudy Guede has already been released from prison.  I remember thinking how ironic that the guy who clearly raped and murdered the British girl, and left his DNA all over her room and all over her body, had already gotten out, while the two college kids who clearly had nothing to do with the murder were still being pursued by the Italian "justice" system.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 30, 2014 01:05 PM (YlsjN)

446 You don't have to prove motive in a murder case.   People kill for all sorts of reasons.   The prosecution did prove Knox and Sollecito were there, and the victim's DNA was on a blade of the knife fond at Sollicto's apartment.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 01:19 PM (Vn3+q)

447 Doug Preston doesn't know what he is talking about.  He has a beef with the first prosecuter in the Knox case on an unrelated case and so he is just pro-Knox so he can demonize that prosecution. 

Preston and a co-author were planting evidence to support their Monster of Florence theory and obviously the police and legal system wasn't wild about that. 

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 01:21 PM (Vn3+q)

448 A bloody footprint was found on the bathroom mat that had 12 different measurements that were an exact match for Raffeael's foot.  The other measurements were extremely close.  

His DNA was in abundance on the victim's bra clasp.  They got both the Y halotype and the autosomal DNA  of his off the bra clasp.  

You can't say he wasn't there.  

They also found Knox's blood mixed with the victim's in 4 separate spots throughout the house and they only way that happens if they are both bleeding at the same time.  One of the spots was in the room where Rudy was supposed to break in,  and neither the victim or Knox should have been in there.

The forensic people  also used Luminol and it revealed footprints that matched Knox and Raffeale in the hallway. 

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 01:26 PM (Vn3+q)

449 The prosecutor never argued there was a Satanic ritual.  He denied that in an interview with CNN and he would deny his own motive there.   Anybody talking about Satanic rituals is getting their info straight from Doug Preston and other advocates of Knox who want to distort the case.   If you are getting that wrong then you probably getting it all wrong because your sources are not objective.

 The "sex game" thing was a misinterpretation....the prosecutor meant it was a sexual hazing that spiralled into murder,  not a sex game. 

Knox and her boyfriend have never provided any proof of their alibi.  Her boyfriend actually broke her alibi, which is what led to her to falsey accuse her black boss shortly after she was informed of this.   So all this talk about no proven motive is interesting given the defense never proved her alibi with anything.  Pretty hard to believe there isn't just 1 thing that would have confirmed they were at the boyfriend's house that night in the age of cell phones,  social media and computers.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 02:19 PM (Vn3+q)

450 I too read The Monster Of Florence at the recommendation of ACE, and having read that, this case totally makes sense now. Their entire "justice" system is stacked with layers and layers of incompetent fools.

Posted by: Captain Curt at April 30, 2014 03:28 PM (IOmRE)

451 But they do make a bloody good motorcycle.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 30, 2014 01:16 PM (eEBON)


Had a couple of Ducati singles back in the day. Unlike committee-designed Japanese bikes, the Ducatis were obviously the product of a single mind... which badly needed medication, and hemorrhoid creme: God, the seats!

But a spiritual experience to ride on a twisty road in the evening.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at April 30, 2014 04:19 PM (UYiBe)

452 449 You don't have to prove motive in a murder case. People kill for all sorts of reasons. The prosecution did prove Knox and Sollecito were there, and the victim's DNA was on a blade of the knife fond at Sollicto's apartment. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 06:19 PM (Vn3+q) No, they didnÂ’t prove that Knox and Sollecito were there at all. And the victimÂ’s DNA wasnÂ’t found on the blade of the knife found in SollecitoÂ’s apt. What the police did is randomly pick a knife out of SollecitoÂ’s apt, declare it the murder weapon, and then the lab they used claimed that they found MeredithÂ’s DNA on the knife. However, the lab lied about how much DNA they found, completely ignored proper protocols for DNA testing, and refused to hand over the complete records of their testing to the court. The independent panel appointed by the Hellmann court (not at all related to the Knox team) completely demolished the findings of the police lab. All of the other testing (PCR, blood, cytology, etc.) did not show evidence of human tissue on the blade or MeredithÂ’s DNA. And oh by the way, the knife doesnÂ’t match the stab wounds on Meredith of the knife imprint on the pillow. It was too wide for most of the wound and too long for the bigger wound where the imprint on the handle was also present on the victimÂ’s body. Oops.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 04:23 PM (KD1Ug)

453 450 Doug Preston doesn't know what he is talking about. He has a beef with the first prosecuter in the Knox case on an unrelated case and so he is just pro-Knox so he can demonize that prosecution. Preston and a co-author were planting evidence to support their Monster of Florence theory and obviously the police and legal system wasn't wild about that. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 06:21 PM (Vn3+q) That is a load of crap. The prosecutor didnÂ’t like that Preston and Spezzi had completely demolished his theory of the Monster of Florence and made up this nonsense about planting evidence. The prosecutor became convinced of an ever larger conspiracy of a Satanic cult involving tens of people in the Monster of Florence case and suspected that the reporter was part of the conspiracy! One would think that after the prosecutor had the doc who committed suicideÂ’s body exhumed because he was convinced it had been switched with another body, his credibility would be shot. Especially when the body turned out not to have been switched and instead of acknowledging his mistake, the prosecutor then claimed it had been switched again because the Satanic cultists found out that he was going to exhume the body! I love the prosecutors theory that since Preston and Spezzi had suspected that their phones were bugged, they must be hiding something. Of course, their phones were being bugged by the very same prosecutor!

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 04:23 PM (KD1Ug)

454 451 A bloody footprint was found on the bathroom mat that had 12 different measurements that were an exact match for Raffeael's foot. The other measurements were extremely close. His DNA was in abundance on the victim's bra clasp. They got both the Y halotype and the autosomal DNA of his off the bra clasp. You can't say he wasn't there. They also found Knox's blood mixed with the victim's in 4 separate spots throughout the house and they only way that happens if they are both bleeding at the same time. One of the spots was in the room where Rudy was supposed to break in, and neither the victim or Knox should have been in there. The forensic people also used Luminol and it revealed footprints that matched Knox and Raffeale in the hallway. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 06:26 PM (Vn3+q) Nope that was GuedeÂ’s footprint. The prosecution mistook GuedeÂ’s second toe to be part of the big toe print. If you look at the pictures and the footprints of Sollecito and Guede its quite clear that the print is GuedeÂ’s As for the DNA on the bra clasp, the police and police lab so hopelessly contaminated that bra clasp that you canÂ’t make anything out of that. There were also 3 other unidentified males on that clasp. But I guess only the 3 other males were contamination while SollecitoÂ’s is real. Of course, his DNA is no where else while GuedeÂ’s is everywhere. Oh wait, I forgot, it was the magic cleaner that only erases Knox and Sollecito DNA and not Guede DNA that was responsible. AS for the mixed Knox DNA with Kercher blood, that was collected (again quite improperly) in a bathroom that Amanda Knox used all the time. What a surprise, her DNA is everywhere in the bathroom! Where could it have come from, well except her skin, hair, and saliva every time she used the sink.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 04:24 PM (KD1Ug)

455 452 The prosecutor never argued there was a Satanic ritual. He denied that in an interview with CNN and he would deny his own motive there. Anybody talking about Satanic rituals is getting their info straight from Doug Preston and other advocates of Knox who want to distort the case. If you are getting that wrong then you probably getting it all wrong because your sources are not objective. The "sex game" thing was a misinterpretation....the prosecutor meant it was a sexual hazing that spiralled into murder, not a sex game. Knox and her boyfriend have never provided any proof of their alibi. Her boyfriend actually broke her alibi, which is what led to her to falsey accuse her black boss shortly after she was informed of this. So all this talk about no proven motive is interesting given the defense never proved her alibi with anything. Pretty hard to believe there isn't just 1 thing that would have confirmed they were at the boyfriend's house that night in the age of cell phones, social media and computers. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 07:19 PM (Vn3+q) One of KnoxÂ’s defense lawyers stated that the prosecutor argued that it was a satanic ritual. Its true that you wonÂ’t find that in the transcripts, but what you will find is that the prosecutor when describing the sex game motive keeps referencing that because of Halloween it was an auspicious time for the sex game/ritual. What else could he have possibly meant except to try to hint at a Satanic ritual motive? Knox and Sollecito broke down after 50 hours of interrogation over a week and having numerous interrogators in a coordinated interrogation to get them to confess and being roused in the middle of the night for an interrogation and then each one basically being told that the other one confessed. Oh, and Knox was being smacked around. But hey, the prosecution says that they were treated nicely and just confessed on their own without any pressure. Fortunately, that should be easy to resolve. Just review the tapes of the interrogations and see who is right. Oh wait, the prosecutor claims he forgot to tape it or he wanted to save money. The same prosecutor who bugged and had police follow Knox and Sollecito every waking moment and who is known for doing the same to others including reporters. Riiiight. But letÂ’s look at KnoxÂ’s confession in it of itself. Knox claims it was a forced confession. The police say it wasnÂ’t. The confession was that Lumbaba(sp?) did it, the same person that the police were pressuring her to claim did it. If she was confessing of her own free will, why not just name the real killer? What does she gain by naming a false one? However, if she is being put under intense physical and emotional strain and pressure and just wants to give the police what they want so they will stop, then it makes perfect sense. The police wanted her to name Lumbaba, so she did.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 04:25 PM (KD1Ug)

456 If Knox had done this in America and accused an innocent black man of the crime,  everybody would think she is guilty.  She's Susan Smith v.2.0. 

Who knows why she didn't accuse Rudy of it, because you don't find it too much of a coincidence  another black man was in fact involved after her false accuation was revealed?  She clearly had knowledge Rudy was involved so how did she know this? 

The prosecutor didn't originate the Satanic cult theory in the MOF case.  That case was worked by another guy named Guitarri back in the day.   The prosecutor was only investigating a doctor's possible murder because his wife didn't think he had committed suicide.   When he had the body exhume,  it was discovered that it was a different body,  this body had no been drowned while the other was.  This body had been strangled, why the other had not.  There was different waist sizes and amount of hair on the head.   The prosecutor just went with the facts.

That prosecutor is an anti-Mafia lawyer.  I am going to go with what he claims over a B-list American writer who was in a country where he did not understand the language very well.    Doug Preston is not a police investigator and you are giving him expertise in something in which he has zero.  Nobody in Italy agrees with his dumb theory on MOF. 

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 04:49 PM (Vn3+q)

457 Knox and her boyfriend - not 1 thing confirms either one of them was at his house.  The other two roommates, the boyfriend, the victim's English friends all had confirmed alibis.   The two accused didn't.   Just a coincidence?  Doubtful.   Some real bad luck for Knox if she really was at that house and just couldn't prove it. 

Both of them turned off their cell phones that night at the same time.  Probably so they couldnt be traced to their real location.

The forensic expert who nailed Rudi with her expertise is the same one who found Raffeale's DNA on the bra clasp.   You say only Rudi is guilty but then throw the forensic expert under the bus when her work finds Sollicito guilty.  There was an abundance of his DNA on the bra clasp.  You can't wish this away.  It was a strong profile.

There is so much evidence against these too.  It is disappointing to see a blogger saying she's innocent.  How do you get something this wrong if you've researched it?   He just believes whatever Preston says. 


Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 04:57 PM (Vn3+q)

458 Notice how Ace never talks about the evidence.  Just complains about the motive theories and how they have been different.   How do you prove why somebody did something in every case without the ability to read minds?  It is clear  Knox is a weird girl given her post murder behavior and the  other girls testified knox and the victim were not getting along. 

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:03 PM (Vn3+q)

459 Here is a table comparing Sollecito and Guede's footprints agaisnt the bloody one on the mat.   This is all you need to nail both Sollecito and Knox.  They were at the cottage. 
12 measures were 100 percent match for Sollecito.  There were some huge discrepancies in the measaurements for Rudy with the bathroom mat.

   Also,  Rudy's footprintsi n the house went straight to the front door, he did not go into the bathroom post murder.


http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/images/0/07/Footprint_table.png

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:09 PM (Vn3+q)

460 459 If Knox had done this in America and accused an innocent black man of the crime, everybody would think she is guilty. She's Susan Smith v.2.0. Who knows why she didn't accuse Rudy of it, because you don't find it too much of a coincidence another black man was in fact involved after her false accuation was revealed? She clearly had knowledge Rudy was involved so how did she know this? The prosecutor didn't originate the Satanic cult theory in the MOF case. That case was worked by another guy named Guitarri back in the day. The prosecutor was only investigating a doctor's possible murder because his wife didn't think he had committed suicide. When he had the body exhume, it was discovered that it was a different body, this body had no been drowned while the other was. This body had been strangled, why the other had not. There was different waist sizes and amount of hair on the head. The prosecutor just went with the facts. That prosecutor is an anti-Mafia lawyer. I am going to go with what he claims over a B-list American writer who was in a country where he did not understand the language very well. Doug Preston is not a police investigator and you are giving him expertise in something in which he has zero. Nobody in Italy agrees with his dumb theory on MOF. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 09:49 PM (Vn3+q) 1) No, we would still think she was innocent. Just because you are racist doesn't mean everyone else is. 2) She accused Lumbaba because thats who the police suspected and that's who they were pressuring her to accuse. They found her text messages to him, completely misinterpreted them, and pressed her to finger him. The fact that the police were wrong is their fault, not hers, and shows that she didnt do it. And no, she didnt have knowledge at all that Rudy did it, or she would have accused him instead. 3) Yes the Satanic cult theory was Guitarri but he fully embraced it and pressed forward with it and worked hand in hand with Guitarri. When the body was exhumed, it WASNT a different body. You just made that up. Thats why the prosecutor had to resort to the double switch theory instead of just admitting he was wrong. The body size measurements you mention were his speculation based on pictures of the body before burial which is why he claimed that the body was switched in the first place. As it turned out, he was wrong. He also tried to claim that the doctor wasn't drowned to justify his double switch theory (ie the doc was murdered, the body replaced by someone else who did drown, and then switched back with the doc before the police were able to exhume the body.) If you believe this ridiculous double switch theory then I cant help you. As to the actual identity of the monster of florence, if you actually read prestons book, he is quite clear that he is skeptical of his own theory and doesnt really know who did it. Personally I think someone else entirely got a hold of the gun and committed the murders and who knows what happened to them. But I know one thing. The mass conspiracy theory of Guitarri and the prosecutor is full of baloney. If you ask me to choose between the reporter who covered the monster of florence case from the beginning (Spezzi) and an out of control prosecutor who loves to tap phones and throw in jail and sue people who dare publicly disagree with him (not to mention lying to Stone Phillips about Venci being in jail during one of the murders when he wasnt), Ill go with the reporter.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 05:11 PM (KD1Ug)

461 460 Knox and her boyfriend - not 1 thing confirms either one of them was at his house. The other two roommates, the boyfriend, the victim's English friends all had confirmed alibis. The two accused didn't. Just a coincidence? Doubtful. Some real bad luck for Knox if she really was at that house and just couldn't prove it. Both of them turned off their cell phones that night at the same time. Probably so they couldnt be traced to their real location. The forensic expert who nailed Rudi with her expertise is the same one who found Raffeale's DNA on the bra clasp. You say only Rudi is guilty but then throw the forensic expert under the bus when her work finds Sollicito guilty. There was an abundance of his DNA on the bra clasp. You can't wish this away. It was a strong profile. There is so much evidence against these too. It is disappointing to see a blogger saying she's innocent. How do you get something this wrong if you've researched it? He just believes whatever Preston says. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 09:57 PM (Vn3+ The bra clasp was hopelessly contaminated. The independent experts confirmed that. No one argues about Guede's DNA being real including Geude but if there was a question about it, then the independent experts would have repeated the testing and confirmed it. His DNA was everywhere in the crime scene, of course because the Knox/Sollecito magic DNA cleaner managed to leave his behind.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 05:15 PM (KD1Ug)

462 They did not know who Patrick was.  They simply asked her about her text to him in which she said See You Later.   Giv en they let Patrick go as soon as the DNA evidence exonorated him,  it is hard to accept they were hellbent on Patrick being the guilty guy.  They had not even called Knox to the police station that night, she tagged along with her boyfriend, so it isn't believable they were out to get her that night. 

She immediately accused Patrick because she had previously been told Solleicto broke her alibi.   She was just trying to divert the police so she could come up with another story that fit the facts better as she learned them.  She made clear from the get go that "she wasn't sure" if he was involved or not, which is so she could later say she wasn't sure because it was like a dream or something. 

In MOF case,  body parts were removed from the victims.  That is how the Satanic ritual idea began.  I don't think the theory on the face of it is absurd if body parts are being remove from victims.  There are obviously some Satanists out there if  the word Satanist exist.

You are only talking about MOF because Doug Preston controls every thought you have on Amanda Knox.  MOF is irrelevant to the Knox case.  Yet you love bringing it up.  Get off Preston's script and think for yourself.   He's an idiot.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:17 PM (Vn3+q)

463 460 Knox and her boyfriend - not 1 thing confirms either one of them was at his house. The other two roommates, the boyfriend, the victim's English friends all had confirmed alibis. The two accused didn't. Just a coincidence? Doubtful. Some real bad luck for Knox if she really was at that house and just couldn't prove it. Both of them turned off their cell phones that night at the same time. Probably so they couldnt be traced to their real location. The forensic expert who nailed Rudi with her expertise is the same one who found Raffeale's DNA on the bra clasp. You say only Rudi is guilty but then throw the forensic expert under the bus when her work finds Sollicito guilty. There was an abundance of his DNA on the bra clasp. You can't wish this away. It was a strong profile. There is so much evidence against these too. It is disappointing to see a blogger saying she's innocent. How do you get something this wrong if you've researched it? He just believes whatever Preston says. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 09:57 PM (Vn3+q) Actually, Knox and Sallecito do have an alibi, since the murder was committed before 10PM, when no one claims they were there. That is proven by the stomach and intestine contents and also by the CCTV recordings of Guede in the area before then. But that evidence inf inconvenient, so its ignored by the prosecution. But a drug addict who is a professional witness who happens to be present at all of the crimes in that area of Italy and who got every other details wrong about that night, hey lets believe him

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 05:19 PM (KD1Ug)

464 "the independent experts"  were sliced and diced by the latest ruling. 

All they did is say "contamination is possible".  They ddin't prove it or even lay out a realistic scenario how it occurred.    They even agreed in court too many days had passed in the lab for there to have been contamination in the lab. 

This was the top forensics lab in Italy.  It isnsn't believable they weren't following protocols.  Every guilty person cries contamination.

There was Knox's mixed blood DNA with the victims,  the victim's DNA on the blade of the knife with Knox's on the handle  and Solleicoto's DnA on the bra clasp.  You claim all of that was contaminated?  lol

On top of that you have both their bloody footprints in the hallway as exposed by the  Luminol.   And raffeale's foot on the bathmat.

Knox's desk lamp was found on the floor inside the victim's bedroom which indicatrs she used it in a cleanup effort and forgot about it.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:21 PM (Vn3+q)

465 The only way you can believe Knox is innocent. is to believe Italy is a 3rd world country similar to Iran or North Korea.  

That is what the Preston crowd is preaching and it is nuts.   Italy has 1/7th the imprisonment rate of the US yet we are supposed to belieeve they railroaded Amanda Knox. 

She falsey accused a black man of murder and she doesn't have an alibi.  That alone makes it 99 percent likely she is the killer.  She has a key to the house, she had knowledge her other roommates would be away that weekend as well as the victim's boyfriend.    The girl couldn't have been held down by just one person b/c she had few defensive wounds. 

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:26 PM (Vn3+q)

466 The MOF establishes what an idiot the prosecutor is and how corrupt and vindictive he is so yeah, its important. If Mike Nifong or Angeloa Corey was the prosecutor, Id take everything they said with a grain of salt as well. You act like the police picked up Lumbaba and treated him nicely and let him go the next day. Thats not what happened at all. They roughed him up trying to get him to confess. They were convinced he did it until the DNA proved otherwise. This idea that they didnt pressure her to finger Lumumba is also ridiculous. Why do you think they kept harping on that text and not accepting her explanation about what See you later means? Of course, it is easy enough just to go to the interrogation tapes and see .... oh yeah, forgot, those tapes dont exist. Oops. How convenient. By the way, the real analysis of the footprints (its in italian but the main parts can be gleamed even without reading the words http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/translated-pages-professor-vincis-bathmat-analysis/

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 05:29 PM (KD1Ug)

467 This case is in no way  like the Duke lacrosse case.  A lot of conservatives are making that dumb analogy. 

If anything, Knox is like the black girl who made the false accusations.

The anti-mafia lawyer in Italy is not Mike Nifong.   He's actually a good conservative guy.   

No guy could get away with Knox's sob stories and false accusation of a man.  You guys act like theh false accusation is no big thing.  It is everything.

You haven't proved Doug Preston is a bright man.  He doesn[t come across that way to me.  Did you know he and his co-author visited the person's house they accused of being the MOF, and asked him to his face?   This guy thinks he is a real investigator or something.   Douchebag.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:33 PM (Vn3+q)

468 You act like it is not logical for the police to ask Knox about a text that said See You Later.   Obviously they wanted to know what the text was all about.

That doesn't mean they told her to accuse him of the murder. They were asking about the text.  It was a police investigation and this is what you do. ask logical questions

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:36 PM (Vn3+q)

469 468 The only way you can believe Knox is innocent. is to believe Italy is a 3rd world country similar to Iran or North Korea. That is what the Preston crowd is preaching and it is nuts. Italy has 1/7th the imprisonment rate of the US yet we are supposed to belieeve they railroaded Amanda Knox. She falsey accused a black man of murder and she doesn't have an alibi. That alone makes it 99 percent likely she is the killer. She has a key to the house, she had knowledge her other roommates would be away that weekend as well as the victim's boyfriend. The girl couldn't have been held down by just one person b/c she had few defensive wounds. Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 10:26 PM (Vn3+q) Uh no, its entirely believable that a first world country can harbor out of control prosecutors and government officials who are out of control and railroad innocent people. Let me name a country for you like that - USA. There are plenty of out of control prosecutors and government officials here and plenty of ridiculous prosecutions. Italy isn't a backwards country for it and neither is the US. If you haven't noticed, this blog is pro-reducing government size? Dont you think this kind of thing is one of the reasons why? And do you really think it is hard to believe that one man can hold one woman down She accused the person the police wanted her to finger after 50 hours of interrogation and had an alibi for when the murder really took place. The real murderer has DNA all over .. ah, you know what, I see your other posts full of crap and I dont have time for this crap. This is really for other readers to see how wrong you are. Never mind. Have a great night and congrats on winning over no one.

Posted by: Keyser at April 30, 2014 05:36 PM (KD1Ug)

470 Italy does have a big problem with racism toward blacks.  Lot of Americans don't know this.   That was why Knox pinned it on a black man.   She's Susan Smith.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:38 PM (Vn3+q)

471 Keyser

You are just cutting and pasting from Bruce Fischer's INjustice in Perugia website.   Come back when you can actually talk about the case in your own words.  You are parroting a loser who works at a mall in Chicago.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:39 PM (Vn3+q)

472 lol,  well two juries have found Knox guilty.  Somehow guys like you see the "real" truth that all these other people could not despite being forced to listen to all the evidence.   I do not believe Italians are out to get Americans or just wanted to punish Knox for having too much sex.  She's tried to make herself out as a victim, some kind of modern day Scarlet Letter story and it so obvious to me.

Posted by: KingSlayer at April 30, 2014 05:42 PM (Vn3+q)

Hide Comments | Add Comment

Comments are disabled.
300kb generated in CPU 0.35, elapsed 1.6917 seconds.
62 queries taking 1.3962 seconds, 708 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.