June 30, 2006
— Ace Israel apparently got a motivational speech from the Alec Baldwin character in Glengarry Glen Ross.
You know what it takes to fight terrorism? It takes brass balls to fight terrorism.
ISRAEL last night threatened to assassinate Palestinian Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh if Hamas militants did not release a captured Israeli soldier unharmed.
The unprecedented warning was delivered to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a letter as Israel debated a deal offered by Hamas to free Corporal Gilad Shalit.
It came as Israeli military officials readied a second invasion force for a huge offensive into Gaza.
Hamas's Gaza-based political leaders, including Mr Haniyeh, had already gone into hiding.
But last night's direct threat to kill Mr Haniyeh, a democratically elected head of state, sharply raised the stakes.
Waaaah... but if we do things like this, we lose to the terrorists!
No, if we lose to the terrorists we lose to the terrorists. If we kill the terrorists, we win.
Another Israeli Soldier Captured, Militants Claim: Kill three or four members of the terrorist cabinet, then.
Posted by: OCBill at June 30, 2006 03:33 PM (uv/E8)
Posted by: CT at June 30, 2006 03:36 PM (mwWH0)
Posted by: spurwing plover at June 30, 2006 03:37 PM (PAJqa)
"Oh boy is this great!!"
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at June 30, 2006 03:41 PM (BeFYl)
Not this human. My human instincts teach me to be tolerant but not a fool. If someone tells you enough times they want to kill you, and demonstrates they will do it, I say, after you. The life of one soldier, abducted at the hands and by the direction of Hamas, is worth no less than any member of Hamas.
They bring a knife, you bring a gun.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2006 03:41 PM (rnOZq)
Posted by: fugazi at June 30, 2006 03:44 PM (WXv+O)
Mean to say, just a smidgen less human, but a decent breakfast and the view of the smoldering carcasses of a bunch of dead terrorists should get me back up to speed pretty quick like.
Posted by: OCBill at June 30, 2006 03:51 PM (uv/E8)
Posted by: OCBill at June 30, 2006 03:56 PM (uv/E8)
Posted by: shawn at June 30, 2006 03:58 PM (yp3GE)
A Hamas spokesman said the group would never recognise Israel, in spite of a deal its leaders signed this week offering implicit recognition of the Jewish state in return for easing an economic blockade.
Reminds me of the story of the scorpion and the frog.
Read on, Jason.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2006 04:00 PM (rnOZq)
Hope the Isrealis have greased all their munitions with pork fat.
Posted by: drjak at June 30, 2006 04:07 PM (iVYAm)
And rain the fire of hell down upon you. Fuck the Palestinians. They've been kicked out of every single country that had sympathy for their cause. Fuck 'em. Kill every single man, woman and child. I'm fucking tired of this game. Wipe them out. No survivors. I'll be happy when the Star of David is flying along the East Med Coast.
Posted by: at June 30, 2006 04:08 PM (hYRk+)
Posted by: ErikW at June 30, 2006 04:09 PM (hYRk+)
Posted by: shawn at June 30, 2006 04:09 PM (yp3GE)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 30, 2006 04:11 PM (pPXJO)
Posted by: Ed Snate at June 30, 2006 04:11 PM (W0un0)
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at June 30, 2006 04:13 PM (kc9zT)
But no. That's why Israel is wearing a Rolex and the Palis drove to work in a fucking Hyundai.
Posted by: Monty at June 30, 2006 04:25 PM (L6tia)
Truth, Justice and the Israeli way!
Posted by: Drew at June 30, 2006 04:26 PM (Y2fNF)
The palestinians need to get their shit together, or have it gotten together for them, ie; tough shit.
The palestinian excuse is used by arab terrorists and terror states for everything.
Time to take away the excuse.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at June 30, 2006 04:28 PM (BeFYl)
I almost laughed out loud. A perfect reminder of the Patton speech, "No one ever won a war by dying for their country. You win a war by making the other guy die for his."
Posted by: jmchez at June 30, 2006 04:32 PM (JY98e)
The Arabs have been extremely successful at killing for their countries. Think how many children they've blown up, cripples they pushed off cruise ships, etc.
There's the old saying - "His lust stops at nothing except young, unmarried women."
Arabs ability to kill stops at nothing except armed soldiers.
Posted by: steve_in_hb at June 30, 2006 04:41 PM (Wrfzz)
Thanks Jack, perhaps you could also manage to read my posts as well sometime before launching your junior high level strawman insults.
For the record, I have no problem with this at all. Democratic heads of state, as commander in chief of a nation's military forces, are prefectly legitimate targets in times of war. And in kidnapping an Israeli soldier, Hamas has most certainly established itself as at war with Israel.
So why exactly do you presume I would object here?
Posted by: Jason at June 30, 2006 05:10 PM (gNw0L)
Posted by: Feisty at June 30, 2006 05:12 PM (nUWM+)
If you don't control the "eyes in the sky” stay in the bunker.
Don’t bring an RPG to a hellfire fight.
If you have never said over a radio "fire for effect" don't brag on CNN about your power.
When you say get the tow missile and you mean the kassam on the trailer DUCK AND COVER.
Posted by: X-ray at June 30, 2006 05:28 PM (xuO5A)
That'd be f'n sweet. Total Ace of Spades Lifestyle.
Posted by: The Warden at June 30, 2006 05:30 PM (rZ5uY)
I may just have to move to Israel.
Posted by: The Machine at June 30, 2006 05:53 PM (L/jMX)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at June 30, 2006 06:20 PM (MlnmD)
"A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action.
Attention - Do I have you attention, Hamas?
Interest - Are you interested? I know you are, because it's fuck or walk. You cough up your innocent prey or you hit the bricks gut-first.
Decision - Have you made your decision for Christ?
Posted by: tex at June 30, 2006 06:30 PM (TVD/4)
Posted by: CraigC at June 30, 2006 06:41 PM (8xho0)
God, I wish. We'd have been done with Iraq in three weeks flat.
Posted by: Robbie at June 30, 2006 07:02 PM (tKkIh)
Posted by: alan at June 30, 2006 07:02 PM (m77k0)
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at June 30, 2006 07:08 PM (BeFYl)
Preach it, Jefe.
And hey, I don't want to slow us up, but do you see what's happened here? Do you see? I like this: Uncle Jefe has cross-defined two previously independent scatologic idioms, dovetailing them into a whole whose pith is greater than its parts.
Pith and shit, as it were.
Props for linguistic innovation! [ Tries a gang recognition gesture, with shoulders hunched and a pinky out at odd angle. Awkward, at best. ]
Posted by: tex at June 30, 2006 10:10 PM (TVD/4)
Posted by: forest hunter at June 30, 2006 11:22 PM (TjUVb)
Precisely because I have read your posts. You seem unable to grasp the nature of the people we are at war with and their tactics. You seem terribly concerned with Palestinian children, not so much for Israeli and American children who have been not only killed, but targeted by Palestinians.
The Palestinians are terrorists. Period, end of story. They have taken every opportunity for peace and turned it into an excuse for war.
The Palestinians and the scum who support and use them don't want peace. They want domination and elimination. People like you who equivocate and wring their hands and worry about "the root cause" help weaken the resolve of the west and make it easier to condem the Israelis instead of placing the blame where it belongs. Squarely on the shoulders of the Palestinians.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2006 03:03 AM (rnOZq)
Posted by: pacific_waters at July 01, 2006 04:57 AM (ncqIo)
they're not going to pop him.
Posted by: Paul Freedman at July 01, 2006 05:19 AM (RzmoE)
Posted by: Paul Freedman at July 01, 2006 05:20 AM (RzmoE)
Because you're a douche bag.
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 05:24 AM (GBffu)
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at July 01, 2006 05:43 AM (BeFYl)
Head of what state? The state of Gaza? The state of the disputed territories? For the millionth time, it is not a countyr!
PS: I love you Ehud!
Posted by: Terry Notus at July 01, 2006 06:25 AM (Ar7zJ)
Oh fuck you. That is exactly the kind of strawman that demonstrates that you do not in fact read my posts. How exactly does my objection to the indiscriminate targeting of Palestinian civilians (willingly and gleefully I might add, judging by the attitude of many on this blog) entail a lack of concern for the victims of Palestinian terrorism? It doesn't, as the commander of the IAF explains here:
It's good to know that the Israeli military is made of better men than you Jack. And of brighter men than you Bart.
Posted by: Jason at July 01, 2006 06:40 AM (gNw0L)
And one's for sport and one's for blood indeed, Paul. Shallow grave and all that. After that we can share the women and the wine.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2006 07:01 AM (rnOZq)
This is why I call you an asshole and a douche bag. You really think it makes us happy to drop bombs and go to war? If you do, my insults are confirmed and validated.
Enough is enough, Jason. The Israelis were perfectly willing to coexist with the Palestinians. Not only coexist, but intergrate them into their society, eventually.
The Palestinians want none of it. They want the destruction of Israel. Peace talks and diplomacy will not work. Ever.
They're are a backwards, uncivilized, repressed culture that is centered on evil and hatred towards a particular race of people.
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 07:07 AM (V1Bo+)
That being said, Jason, can't you take the comments here as an expression of our frustration with the Palestinians? The IDF neither seeks nor follows our advice. And as I have said before, as for the left, fuck 'em.
Posted by: shawn at July 01, 2006 07:13 AM (yp3GE)
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 07:25 AM (V1Bo+)
Posted by: Dogstar at July 01, 2006 07:31 AM (Z07fE)
Israel considers Hamas, which has killed more than 250 Israelis in suicide bombings, a terrorist group, and has helped lead an international economic boycott against the Hamas-led Palestinian government.
Posted by: CraigC at July 01, 2006 08:25 AM (8xho0)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 08:55 AM (Ns6Mb)
And you're and enabler and supporter of wanton idiocy and barely literate political commentary. Seriously dumbass, do you really believe that objecting to the wholesale massacre of Palestinian civilians is necessarily coextensive with the support of Palestinian terrorism? If so that means that the IDF and the US Army are two of the chief terrorist supporters and enablers in the world today. Are you really that stupid, or can you simply not be bothered to think for more than two seconds before you post shit on here?
Pacifism may be objectively pro-fascist, but so, I would argue, is the kind of racist, reflexively anti-Muslim jingoism you read from luminaries on here, which seeks to fight the WOT in a way that would give bin Laden exactly what he wants (i.e. a Crusade), and exactly what the Bush Administration has fought to avoid for five years now.
"That being said, Jason, can't you take the comments here as an expression of our frustration with the Palestinians? "
Sure, and I have conceded this repeatedly. However, while frustration may make angry rebarbrative statements more venial, someone still needs to point out they are rebarbrative nonetheless. I'm as frustrated with the Palestinians as anyone, and if they actually use chemical weapons on Israel I would support their wholesale expulsion from Gaza and the West Bank. Yet what I often hear here is the advocacy of a genocidal war against the Palestinians and Muslims in general that is deeply disturbing and needs to be denounced, regardless of the frustration informing it. And I know people don't like me for doing that, but there it is anyway.
Posted by: Jason at July 01, 2006 09:00 AM (gNw0L)
Yeah, 'cause we're sending y'all off to the f'n ISS, and that's absolutely critical for our country's future.
NASA: "By God, if we can't risk American lives for zero gain today, we'll try again tomorrow!"
God bless the brave men and women of Discovery. But damn every shithead who sends them up there for nothing more than a photo-op.
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 09:14 AM (HSMDH)
The Hubble's main camera is broken.
There are military use satellites that constantly need attention to keep things in tiptop shape.
There are also intelligence sats up there.
The last two are not likely to be announced as part of mission at any press briefings.
Especially considering the New York Slimes, eh?
Posted by: The Machine at July 01, 2006 09:19 AM (L/jMX)
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 09:23 AM (HSMDH)
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 09:26 AM (HSMDH)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 09:37 AM (Ns6Mb)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 09:49 AM (Ns6Mb)
Erik, what are they going to do up there in that space (more like, orbit) station when it's done?
Really, besides floating around and observing how ants and plants behave in a space station orbiting Earth, what are they going to accomplish?
P.S. Jaon, blow me.
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 09:53 AM (8UsRd)
And who the fuck appointed you for the job, you nasty little holier than thou man? Are you the dead indian guy, too? Oh, and let me say once again, Nuke Gaza!
Posted by: shawn sez, NUKE GAZA! at July 01, 2006 09:58 AM (yp3GE)
We, the west, have been fighting Islamic terrorism for decades. We have been losing. I really don't give a damn wether you understand it or not.
I am sick to death of people like you telling me that we need to be better than the people who are trying to kill every man woman and child who basically isn't a part of barbaric backward way of life.
I merely pointed out the emptiness of your point of view by highlighting the Palestinian's duplicity and willingness to have their leaders lie and murder in order to further their goals. You, as predictable as a monkey on a chain, reacted with a typical hissy fit about how noble the people of Israel are, how wise the men and women of our military.
Well here's a lighting bolt, dumbass. Watch what happens not what they say. The Israelis are tremendously punitive in their treatment of the Palestinian population. They blow up their infrastructure and shut down their commerce. They bulldoze houses, take land and build settlements. They fire rockets at terrorists and try to avoid colateral damage but if it happens, it happens. Much the same as the US army shooting a rocket at Zarqawi and killing his 16 year old wife and 18 month old child ( do the math on that one). I, for one, do not give a damn.
I am sick of hearing about teenage Palestinian suicide bombers blowing up buses and pizza parlors and weddings and night clubs, etc. ad infinitum. I am sick of terrorists using women a children as shields and weapons and waiting for people such as yourself to bitch when they are killed for protecting and supporting killers. I am sick of the worthless and utterly wrong headed arguement that says that if we retaliate then all we are doing is creating more terrorists. Bullshit.
I don't want to have these people as my enemy. But they want me as theirs. And they want you. And they are willing to do unspeakable things and kill anyone, women and children included, in order to further their goals. You are free to believe what you want as am I. But save me your juvenile preaching about how we need to fight with our pinky's extended against cold blooded killers.
Just out of curiosity, Jason, can you tell me what happened during the bombing of Dresden? Exactly who do you think was killed at Hiroshima, Nagasaki? Do you really have any clue what you are talking about at all or are you just parroting some high school ethics course?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2006 10:04 AM (rnOZq)
1) The ISS wouldn't need to be resupplied at all if we'd stop throwing good money after bad.
2) You have any idea how long the ISS has been up there? You know what it's accomplished? You know how much money we've spent on it? And do you know whether the American people want it to complete its "mission" in the first place?
3) You have any idea what kind of risks Americans take each and every time a shuttle is launched? You want to engage me in a debate concerning the gambles versus the benefits? I'm right here. Make your case.
ErikW continued: "There's a lot of things that can be accomplished in zero G that can't be done here on Earth."
Yeah? Name them.
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 10:12 AM (HSMDH)
Israel: FUCK you, that's my name.
Posted by: Alear at July 01, 2006 10:15 AM (lSd7S)
In order to learn how to survive in space, we have to actually do it. The ISS is a pretty lame program in a lot of ways, but it isn't worthless. We're learning how to keep a space station going, which will enable us to have better space stations in the future (preferably big rotating ones for artificial gravity).
Posted by: sandy burger at July 01, 2006 10:26 AM (jAwAN)
Nothing personal against Megan or yourself, please understand that. I just don't think you understand the scope of what NASA has actually accomplished.
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 10:26 AM (VZlJP)
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 10:30 AM (HSMDH)
I prefer retail expulsion, myself: you get more selection and variety that way. But regarding your chem-weapon stance, let's just note that you, Jason, don't get comparably stressed when Palis kill and mutilate thousands of Israeli men, women and utterly helpless little kids with off-the-shelf weapons.
Got it. Message received.
Now, moving on to the P.S. newsflash: The Palis already did it. In Gaza they brag today about firing a chem-warhead into southern Israel on Wednesday.
It's no surprise. They've been working on it for three years.
Looks like they missed their target on that first shot. This didn't happen Wednesday. But I'll take the Palis at their word this time: they've fired a chemical warhead missile into Israel, and not a single Pali minister lifted his mudflaps in remorse.
So. "What is to be done," Jason?
Posted by: tex at July 01, 2006 10:33 AM (D3H/3)
Posted by: stupid typcal fucking moonbat at July 01, 2006 10:40 AM (0jNrd)
It's back up- secondary power source.
The space shuttle program needs to be shitcanned. You'd think after some 14 astronauts were killed they would have pulled the plug, but I guess there's too much money to be made.
We went to the moon in the late 60s- early 70s. Why'd we stop there? I guess 'cuz we proved to the Russkies and ChiComs we could do it. Now we're resting on our laurels by doing victory laps around Earth, and building some tinkertoy space station that'll end up being abandoned to orbital decay some day.
We could be going to Mars, but that won't happen. Too expensive, too hard right now. We could go back to the moon, but why? Been there, done that, left some tire tracks.
Un-manned missions seem best right now. Those Mars rovers have re-written the book on Mars, and when they eventually crap out, there's no funeral.
If there is any real job for the shuttle it would be to start the clean-up of all the junk in orbit around the earth. Let's at least police up our brass, and then retire the shuttles.
Posted by: at July 01, 2006 10:51 AM (kKjaJ)
So, pretty much what you said in the first place. Just not as harsh.
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 10:53 AM (y+FfM)
Oh, we're sure that they'll show up, eventually. What we're not really that sure about is 1) when, and 2) that they won't kill us all.
Posted by: NASA at July 01, 2006 10:59 AM (0jNrd)
Posted by NASA at July 1, 2006 03:59 PM
I wouldn't worry.
Human history teaches us that when an advanced race or nation has encountered a less advanced people, they've always treated them with compassion and respect. Oh, wait . . .
Posted by: adolfo velasquez at July 01, 2006 11:28 AM (aGS3m)
Posted by: Dale at July 01, 2006 11:36 AM (Z887G)
Myself, I'm drinkied up more than a bullfrog that drowned in a whiskey barrel.
I know I don't need to say it but God Bless America and say a prayer for the boys and girls overseas.
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 11:51 AM (9XChf)
By the way, what about the environmental impact of a shuttle launch?
I heard it wreaks havoc on our Ozone layer and pollutes the air waaaaay more than our automobiles. Anyone have any specifics on this, cuz I'm just talking outta my ass.
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 12:00 PM (laOCl)
Actually, more like a couple hundred years. Jefferson was the first president who had to deal with it...and thus the Marine Corps was born.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 01, 2006 12:32 PM (m7glB)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 12:38 PM (9XChf)
Posted by: Amish Dan Quayle at July 01, 2006 01:14 PM (gl6m8)
Okay, sure, soccer is gay. But France v. Germany? Let the jokes begin!
Posted by: Ed Snate at July 01, 2006 01:20 PM (W0un0)
Posted by Megan at July 1, 2006 02:23 PM
And if a secret project is secret (meaning nobody leaked to the MSM) you would have absolutely no way of knowing what took place in orbit.
But don't let that keep you from the demeaning "bright boy" insult, right?
Posted by: The Machine at July 01, 2006 01:33 PM (L/jMX)
Wow, I don't know who I want to lose more, France or Germany.
Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 01:36 PM (Fz/fI)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 01:41 PM (ssLDS)
Oh wait, many moonbats don't believe that ever happened either.
Bet none of 'em know about JFK's dream of a missile base on the moon.
"Last strike capability" as I recall.
Sometimes there are indeed checks and balances.
This has been an interesting thread today, in which the moonbats once again try to act morally superior about loss of human life from an imagined huge scale down to a real number of 14.
Meanwhile, I wonder how many babies were aborted today in this country alone.
How many people died of slow starvation, disease or the merciful somewhat faster death of genocide by execution while moonbat movie stars and singers raise money "to help" that always ends up in the hands of the warlords and evil dictators that are responsible for perpetrating the problem....
Oh. Sorry, moonbats, I used that word "responsible" again. Know how it hurts ya.
Anyway, they type their hateful diatribes on computers that wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those moon flights that they don't believe took place. Gee I wonder where the impetus to design the first Integrated Circuit really came from?
They probably think it was Japan.
To make TV sets.
Posted by: The Machine at July 01, 2006 01:50 PM (L/jMX)
Wow, I don't know who I want to lose more, France or Germany.
It's like when the Giants play the Cowboys - root for injuries ;-)
Posted by: steve_in_hb at July 01, 2006 02:06 PM (Wrfzz)
Posted by: ErikW at July 01, 2006 02:09 PM (ssLDS)
Uh, you are short selling Italy and Portugal way too early.
Posted by: Tushar D at July 01, 2006 02:40 PM (9ULFg)
KINKY FREIDMAN FOR GOVERNOR OF TEXAS!!!
Posted by: Buck Nekkid at July 01, 2006 02:57 PM (LQNp4)
Yeah, thing is, if there were some oh-so-secret SCARY space project going on involving the "repair" of military and intelligence satellites (which is almost never done because it is TECHNICALLY DIFFICULT, FINANCIALLY UNWISE, and OPERATIONALLY STUPID) you'd think that maybe, just maybe, we might not want the Russians to tag along. Would we?
Oops, did you not look at the crew manifest for OV103 STS121?
"But don't let that keep you from the demeaning "bright boy" insult, right?"
Stick your cock back in your pants, son. What you're saying simply makes no sense.
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 03:22 PM (HSMDH)
The most decrepit and primitive manned shuttle in the world is still orders of magnitude more complex than the most advanced satellite in the world. The most expensive satellite launch in the world is still far, far cheaper than the least expensive manned shuttle launch in the world.
Okay, I think I'm done now.
Posted by: Megan at July 01, 2006 04:08 PM (HSMDH)
So here we are. But we can't just throw up our hands and walk away. We have to keep on flying--the plan is to transit to a new launch system and s-can the ISS; until then America tries to ekk out whatever incremental value there is left in the platforms previous errors left us.
Posted by: Paul Freedman at July 02, 2006 03:02 AM (s7kQQ)
This was understood - a given. The astronauts knew it, NASA knew it. The only ones who didn't know it were the public that NASA was feeding a line of BS to.
Space is harsh. The vehicles that go there persnickety and tempermental. Shit happens.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 02, 2006 04:41 AM (m7glB)
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2006 08:25 AM (NRrvx)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 02, 2006 09:47 AM (m7glB)
Posted by: Paul Freedman at July 03, 2006 03:44 AM (LdaQG)
"You know, the moonbats are always on about how neo-cons and the administration are really under the sooper sekrit control of the Joooos and Israel.
God, I wish. We'd have been done with Iraq in three weeks flat."
Did Israel win their war with the Palestinians in three weeks flat? Because I thought that they were still fighting a war of perpetuity with them after 50 odd years. Shows what I know. Darned liberal media.
Should we really be looking to Israel as a model of conflict resolution? If so why?
Posted by: seattle slough at July 03, 2006 07:45 AM (H5l9d)
No Slough, we shouldn't look to Israel as a model of conflict resolution. Israel has shown entirely too much restraint in dealing with the islamonuters.
Posted by: Achmed at July 03, 2006 08:06 AM (j4t+e)
b. Nasa would be on the level if they would get after the energy thing. I am certian that they could solve the energy problem in ten years. (they put a man on the moon, maybe)
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