September 30, 2011

Iran Prepares To Execute Christian Minister On Charge He's An Apostate Of Islam
— DrewM

Islam is all about peace and tolerance. Unless.....

For the first time in 20 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran has issued a formal death sentence for a Christian. Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, leader of the Church of Iran denomination in Rasht, was arrested in October 2009 while seeking to register his church. He has been on death row since being found guilty of apostasy, conversion from Islam, in September 2010.

Pastor Nadarkhani’s appeal came to a conclusion on Wednesday, September 28. Iran's Supreme Court had refused to overturn his death sentence, referring his case back to local judges in Rasht to decide whether Nadarkhani had been a practising Muslim before converting to Christianity, something which Nadarkhani denied. Judges in Rasht ruled that although Nadarkhani had not been a practising Muslim, his Islamic heritage made him guilty of apostasy.

Although apostasy does not carry a formal death penalty under Iran’s penal code, judges in Rasht were able to use the supremacy of Islamic jurisprudence in Iran’s constitution to sue for the death sentence based on religious fatwas, or Islamic rulings, by leading Ayatollahs.

The silence from various quarters is deafening.

Remember when some crackpot pastor in Florida wanted to burn a koran? The world was outraged. Outraged! Apparently it's a big deal if you burn a book but not such a big deal if you appeal to that same book to kill a man because he doesn't believe in what's written in that book.

Or how about the Mohamed cartoons? The so-called "Muslim street" exploded (some what surprisingly, not literally for the most part) in protest. Where are those people now? Shouldn't Muslims around the world be in the streets of the Mideast and Euripoe protesting that this is not what their faith commands?

The same Muslims who demand that the west respect them and their faith damn well better get out there and demand in the same terms that their co-coreligionists not defame their faith with this barbarism. Otherwise we are left to conclude that their faith actually does demand this barbarism.

Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this. Far from it. But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves. Keeping quiet doesn't serve any purpose and only causes non-Muslims to look at their religion with more than a small degree of distrust and disgust.

And let's be honest, it's not just the nutters in Iran who consider death the appropriate penalty for this "crime".

All that's missing are warnings that there better not be any backlash against Muslims.

Slu took the time to search Amnesty International website and you can see how much effort they have put into saving Nadarkhani compared to convicted cop killer Troy Davis.

Disgusting.

Posted by: DrewM at 04:39 AM | Comments (118)
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1 *crickets*

Posted by: U.N. at September 30, 2011 04:42 AM (NuPNl)

2 I already look at Islam with more than a small level of disgust.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 30, 2011 04:43 AM (P7hip)

3 Better dead than Muslim.

Posted by: Pipboy 3000 (vivisect k1rwm) at September 30, 2011 04:43 AM (ggRof)

4

I hope God will have mercy on this courageous soul - he's in the hands of pure evil.

I haven't heard anything from Sean Penn or Michael Moore on this. Have you?

Posted by: MWTexas at September 30, 2011 04:43 AM (N05oL)

5

Slu took the time to search Amnesty International website and you can see how much effort they have put

Haven't seen Anderson Cooper cry over this either.................

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 04:44 AM (OWjjx)

6

islam is a false, pagan religion. A 7th century death cult if you will whose followers revere a man that raped a 9 year old girl.

 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 04:44 AM (kaOJx)

7 All I care to know about Islam I learned on 9/11.

Posted by: Barbarian at September 30, 2011 04:44 AM (EL+OC)

8 Silence = approval /Occam

Posted by: Andy at September 30, 2011 04:46 AM (HXLDG)

9 Although apostasy does not carry a formal death penalty under Iran’s penal code, judges in Rasht were able to use the supremacy of Islamic jurisprudence in Iran’s constitution to sue for the death sentence based on religious fatwas, or Islamic rulings, by leading Ayatollahs.

That is exactly what they want here, even as they deny it. Also, all should know that our own Moki conducted Christian meetings in her home in Jordan. When I heard that I was flabbergasted.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 04:46 AM (M9Ie6)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

And this is why I may purchase Frank Miller's new graphic novel- even though I think Miller is generally an over-rated writer/artist.

I hope God will have mercy on this courageous soul

The way I read my Bible, he gets an express pass to the proverbial Pearly Gates.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 04:47 AM (8y9MW)

11 Another reason to like Heraman Cain. He gets it.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 04:48 AM (ZDUD4)

12 '
"Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this."

OH, I DO!

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 04:48 AM (cA6/i)

13

I never cease to be amazed at the conflicting opinions liberals/lefties zealously embrace.  They will not be eaten last by the crocodile of the New Caliphate.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 30, 2011 04:49 AM (zLCZu)

14 I wonder what those two released lefty hikers have to say about this. I'm sure they will have a way to compare this action as similar to what the USA does. Spit.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 04:50 AM (Cs6bg)

15 Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this.

Until and unless I start hearing Muslims, in general, decrying this as barbaric, backward, and evil- they do not get the benefit of the doubt.  This is exactly what their religion preaches, and either they oppose it (actively) or the accept it (either passively or actively).

My default setting is that Muslims are okay with this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 04:50 AM (8y9MW)

16 Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this. Far from it. But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves. Keeping quiet doesn't serve any purpose and only causes non-Muslims to look at their religion with more than a small degree of distrust and disgust.

amen

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 04:51 AM (h+qn8)

17 Perhaps if the minister had stood over a cop shot in the chest and popped another shot in the cop's head; then he might get world wide attention of his state sanctioned murder.

Posted by: Leland at September 30, 2011 04:52 AM (i6I1S)

18 The strangest thing is, two hikers who failed the ultimate IQ test (Q: is it a good idea to hike on the borders of an islamic nuthouse? If you answered anything but 'FUCK NO!' you failed) were let loose. Apparantly they weren't worth the expenditure of a rope.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 30, 2011 04:52 AM (6rX0K)

19 So, isn't Barry Soetoro and apostate muslim?

Nah, he's safe.  He never gave up his muzzie faith and loves the muzzie call to prayer that is broadcast throughout the White House PA system multiple times a day.

Posted by: TexBob at September 30, 2011 04:53 AM (7cXE7)

20 Only one in twenty years. Now that is surprising.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 04:53 AM (eEfYn)

21 One thing the libs never accuse us of is being ignorant of Islam.

They accuse us of ignorance on every other front, but not that one.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2011 04:53 AM (73tyQ)

22 Islam is a religion of peace.

Posted by: Obligatory at September 30, 2011 04:54 AM (zJDIJ)

23
From the American Thinker article:

The 1990
Cairo Declaration, or so-called "Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Islam", was drafted and subsequently ratified by all the Muslim member nations of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). Now a 57 state collective which includes every Islamic nation on earth

57 states? how...curious.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 30, 2011 04:55 AM (1hM1d)

24 The takeaway is that threats, violence, murder, and mayhem makes people afraid of you.

Take note of that lesson folks. This is coming to a country near you. They dissemble as friends while in the minority, and turn to tyranny when they are in the majority.

Posted by: blindside at September 30, 2011 04:55 AM (3Uns6)

25 Amish sure, But, they do accuse us of being bigots -hating brown peoples of the world, and that we don't respect their culture. than bigots again . blah, blah.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 04:56 AM (h+qn8)

26
18 The strangest thing is, two hikers... Apparantly they weren't worth the expenditure of a rope.

They were worth a cool $500,000 each.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 30, 2011 04:56 AM (1hM1d)

27 Take note of that lesson folks. This is coming to a country near you. They dissemble as friends while in the minority, and turn to tyranny when they are in the majority.

Luckily, I remembered that my grandfather left us some firearms.  I'll probably be picking up a rifle and shotgun from my parents next weekend.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 04:57 AM (8y9MW)

28 16 Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this. Far from it. But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves. Keeping quiet doesn't serve any purpose and only causes non-Muslims to look at their religion with more than a small degree of distrust and disgust.

amen

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 09:51 AM (h+qn

Why not. A few bad people represent all gun owners. A few kooks on the right represent all Conservatives (well, anything that is bad is spun to be representative of all Conservatives).

Let's start applying that logic to favored liberal groups.

Posted by: blindside at September 30, 2011 04:57 AM (3Uns6)

29 '
20
Well, it's not like Christians, let alone a preacher, are thick on the ground in Iran.

Plus, he was convicted on the basis not that he USED to be a Muslim and converted but that his ANCESTORS were!

BTW as far as I can ascertain, this guy is native born Irani. Not a transplant (as some on other sites assume) and never practiced being a muslim (I guess neither did his parents.)

The  two morons that just got released are most likely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome so I'll cut them some slack.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 04:57 AM (cA6/i)

30

Here's what I'd do:   I'd send NYC policemen and FBI agents into the United Nations with guns drawn and arrest the Iranian ambassador and his entire staff for crimes against humanity.   Then I'd threaten to try them in a military commission (a la Nuremburg), seeking the death penalty.  

Soft power ain't working, Prezidizzle O'Bizzle.   Time to act like a superpower.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 30, 2011 04:57 AM (qHCyt)

31 So Alec Baldwin and his minions are going to pour out their inexhaustible rage onto Iran for this heinous upcoming death much as they did against the state of Georgia for the Troy Davis execution?

Thought not...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2011 04:58 AM (9hSKh)

32 Every muslim is accountable for this action. A true and honest reading of the koran leaves no ambiguity, this is the penalty and should a muslim even disagree with this penalty they are subject to the death penalty.

ALL muslims are guilty for their religions tenets and ilsam should be shunned for the evil death cult that it is.


Posted by: Fire with Fire at September 30, 2011 04:58 AM (lcwvr)

33 24 The takeaway is that threats, violence, murder, and mayhem makes people afraid of you.

Bingo.  Nobody ever talks about being understanding and tolerant of Hindus.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2011 04:58 AM (73tyQ)

34 I just bought a copy of "Holy Terror" on Amazon.com.

I agree with #32.

Can't say anymore about Islam.  I don't want to be banned.


Posted by: Jack at September 30, 2011 05:01 AM (zKFOT)

35 I'm feeling pretty good about buying Frank Miller's new book today. This is why I'm a bad Catholic - having to sit by while someone is martyred makes me just incredibly pissed off and grumpy.

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at September 30, 2011 05:01 AM (SB0V2)

36 The  two morons that just got released are most likely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome so I'll cut them some slack.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 09:57 AM (cA6/i)

No, they're lefties and they wanted to be captured.  Same shit happens in North Korea on occasion.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2011 05:01 AM (73tyQ)

37 Plus, he was convicted on the basis not that he USED to be a Muslim and converted but that his ANCESTORS were!
Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 09:57 AM (cA6/i)

Obama better never set foot on Iranian  soil than?

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:02 AM (h+qn8)

38 This is why I'm a bad Catholic - having to sit by while someone is martyred makes me just incredibly pissed off and grumpy.

Come to the Church of Christ.  We don't tell you you can't be angry about this stuff.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:02 AM (8y9MW)

39 Nice bit of outrage to get my blood flowing this morning. I'll believe the majority of muslims are peaceful when they speak up and denounce stuff like this and not until (paraphrasing someone, I don't recall the author, who said it better)

Posted by: PaleRider at September 30, 2011 05:03 AM (FYUWS)

40
Until and unless I start hearing Muslims, in general, decrying this as barbaric, backward, and evil- they do not get the benefit of the doubt.  This is exactly what their religion preaches, and either they oppose it (actively) or the accept it (either passively or actively).

My default setting is that Muslims are okay with this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 09:50 AM (8y9MW)



Precisely.  They are conforming to the teachings of the pedophile prophet; to say that Muslims in general are NOT okay with this would imply that the majority of Muslims are heretics.

Youcef Nadarkhani shames all Islam today, dying a true martyr for his King.  He stares death in the eye and does not blink, nor renounce his Savior, and so will be all the more richly rewarded in the coming future.  The Islamic 'martyrs' are put to shame simply by this man's existence.


Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 30, 2011 05:03 AM (GreMF)

41

 Every muslim is accountable for this action.

 

No, they're not. 

Posted by: Heralder at September 30, 2011 05:03 AM (/Mxso)

42 At least it's heartening to know that America's mainline denominations will celebrate this martyr that courageously gave his life for Christ as a true Saint. Oh, wait! They won't know him from Adam the day of his execution!

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 05:04 AM (niZvt)

43 My hatred toward Islam goes way past common sense into a very dark place. Therefore I will cease commenting on Islam.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 05:04 AM (ZDUD4)

44 I could forgive some of our celebrity liberals their stupidity and crassness if they just had the balls to say the same things they do about conservatives being fascists and raaaaacists and terrorists if they'd just say the same things about people who ACTUALLY ARE!

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 05:05 AM (cA6/i)

45 It is utterly infurating to know that we have been subjected to protests against the death penalty all of the week, until now, and few, if any, words will be spoken for a truly innocent man being murdered by Islamofascists.

The self-serving hypocrisy of the Left drives me nearly to madness.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 30, 2011 05:05 AM (GreMF)

46 Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this.

I do. It's like saying, "Look, don't blame me. I'm a moderate member of the KKK. It's not like I go out and lynch anyone. I think that is awful. I really just joined because my parents were members. I mean, c'mon, I've only been to like one or two cross burnings!"
There is nothing "moderate" about islam.

Posted by: Jimmuy at September 30, 2011 05:06 AM (ibeMV)

47  'rons and 'ettes, we can sit here and debate this like rational people all we want.  this shit is gonna come to a head.  soon.  islam has no place here, as practiced.

Posted by: whiskey tango at September 30, 2011 05:06 AM (JvP2I)

48 Every muslim is accountable for this action.

 

No, they're not. 

Yes they are. This is the command of the koran via the concept of abrogation which they use to justify the numerous contradictions of the writings. 

Fact is a believer of a any faith is 100% responsible for the faiths validated tenets ergo ALL muslims are responsible and bear the weight of this injustice.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at September 30, 2011 05:07 AM (lcwvr)

49 Pre-Islamic Republic, Christians were about 1% of the Iranian population. Now they are estimated less than 0.5% or the population.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:07 AM (eEfYn)

50

My old man had a simple view of these sorts of things.   His default position was to tell America's enemies to stop doing X (whatever X was), or their biggest city would "be no more after noon tomorrow."   As in, "release Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani immediately or Tehran will be no more."

Might get their attention.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 30, 2011 05:08 AM (qHCyt)

51 their faith is so wretched and weak, they Must kill those that aren't convinced,/intimidate  .


Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:08 AM (h+qn8)

52 #41 if we were going to execute a Muslim because he converted to Islam from Christianity and Christians stayed silent, I would say any Christian who did not speak out would be held accountable for that action. My response as a Christian would be deafening.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 05:08 AM (Cs6bg)

53 Posted by: Heralder at September 30, 2011 10:03 AM (/Mxso)

We've given reasons we think they are.  Care to back your own assertion?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:09 AM (8y9MW)

54 Korans for everyone!

Posted by: Keith Ellison at September 30, 2011 05:10 AM (EL+OC)

55 their faith is so wretched and weak, they Must kill those that aren't convinced,/intimidate  .

Forget their (personal) faith.  It's in written down as a rule in their religion.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:11 AM (8y9MW)

56 But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves.

Capsule Islam lessons are boring and no one pays attention or even really believes them (because other people's religions are nutty and implausible), so, just this:

This is post-"Reformation" Islam. The murdery, crazy, stone-a-bitch, destroy-all-Jewfags, smash-the-idols, conquer-the-world, Nazi-ass, "Islamist" version of Islam is modern, modernized, properly-adapted-to-these-times Islam, brought to you by "Muslims themselves."

Shit was different before, but now it's like this. And it'll stay like this for a really, really, really long time. But more so.

Posted by: oblig. at September 30, 2011 05:11 AM (xvZW9)

57 We've given reasons we think they are.  Care to back your own assertion?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 10:09 AM (8y9MW)

Allen well we do have apprx. a dozen muslims speak up about any given muslim killing, but there is a grotesque silence on the rest of billion +.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:12 AM (h+qn8)

58 Amnesty has four -- 4 -- articles about Nadarkhani compared to the 75 about Davis.


http://preview.tinyurl.com/6xzw3sg

Posted by: Troll Feeder at September 30, 2011 05:12 AM (ZjPb5)

59

I predict soon, as in places like France, Canada and Australia, the Progressive Left in the US will usher in laws make it a crime to speak openly about the realities of Islam.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:12 AM (0fzsA)

60 Only one in twenty years.

I forgot the distinction between formal and informal death sentences...

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:13 AM (eEfYn)

61 Allen well we do have apprx. a dozen muslims speak up about any given muslim killing, but there is a grotesque silence on the rest of billion +.

Okay, I suppose (by my own post earlier) I'll give those dozen or so a pass.

Which, I'll point out, is still statistically zero.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:13 AM (8y9MW)

62 The same Muslims who demand that the west respect them and their faith damn well better get out there and demand in the same terms that their co-coreligionists not defame their faith with this barbarism.

That's one thing that really bothers me.  They don't self-police.  They never protest the nutcases.  Never an outcry.  The moderates just ignore the bad behavior of their backwards-ass brothers.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 30, 2011 05:13 AM (OCZHx)

63

Iran is on the UN's human rights counsel.

 

You know - the UN. A body of asshole nations supported by the asshole left. Pay up, America.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:13 AM (0fzsA)

64 This afternoon and tomorrow Savannah will be subject again to a celebration of the life of Troy "RAH" Davis.  The "RAH" stood for "Rough as Hell."

And more attention has been paid to the hippie hikers' return than the poor Iranian pastor will ever get.  I'm sure our left-wing press, in the back of their tiny little brains, thinks the pastor "deserves it."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:14 AM (UOM48)

65 Christians? Dime a dozen. Now, brutal copkillers... That's a precious, celebrated thing.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:14 AM (AZGON)

66 The moderates just ignore the bad behavior of their backwards-ass brothers.

I doubt it.  I bet they are pretty well aware and are tacitly approving.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:14 AM (8y9MW)

67

 Where is the outrage from progressive hollywood?

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:15 AM (0fzsA)

68

But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves.

Correct.  But there is no Muslim Martin Luther and there never will be.

Because everytime one pops up, he will be killed.  End of conversation.

It's a dangerous thing to couple a 7th century mind to 21st century technology, but that is exactly what we have today.  I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that the world would be a much more peaceful place if the immediate geography north, east and south of Israel were tranformed into a glass parking lot by the miracle of nuclear fission.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:16 AM (sbV1u)

69  The least Muslims could do is borrow the Troy  Davis Posters , flip them over and write, Just say NO to killing of infidels and non-believers!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:16 AM (h+qn8)

70 I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that the world would be a much more peaceful place if the immediate geography north, east and south of Israel were tranformed into a glass parking lot by the miracle of nuclear fission.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 10:16 AM (sbV1u)

It's going to end up that way, sooner or later.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 30, 2011 05:17 AM (GreMF)

71 Lemon, shame on you!
respect the cultures of other countries, they do what is goood for their countries sake.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:17 AM (h+qn8)

72

I predict soon, as in places like France, Canada and Australia, the Progressive Left in the US will usher in laws that make it a crime to speak openly about the realities of Islam.

fixed.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:17 AM (0fzsA)

73 I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that the world would be a much more peaceful place if the immediate geography north, east and south of Israel as well as Dearborn, MI were tranformed into a glass parking lot by the miracle of nuclear fission.

More better.

Posted by: Barbarian at September 30, 2011 05:17 AM (EL+OC)

74 4 articles vs. 75. So I guess this means Amnesty doesn't give a shit about the death penalty itself only who employs it... what a surprise.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (AZGON)

75 2011, and this persists.
srsly freakn crazy .

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (h+qn8)

76

I shall respect Islamic craziness and the prog left when they learn to respect human rights and free speech.

or in other words, when pigs fly.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:20 AM (0fzsA)

77 Ooohh, look at the cute puppy.

Posted by: PETA at September 30, 2011 05:21 AM (NuPNl)

78 74 In fairness to Amnesty (I don't care much for them) they do focus on where they can actually influence an outcome. Not much chance they can influence events in Iran.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:21 AM (eEfYn)

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:21 AM (eEfYn)

80 Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this. Far from it. But non-Muslims aren't going to be the ones to bring Islam into modernity. It's going to have to be Muslims themselves. Keeping quiet doesn't serve any purpose and only causes non-Muslims to look at their religion with more than a small degree of distrust and disgust.

I'm sick of this disclaimer.  Look, if there are so many moderate Muslims who don't share their co-religionists beliefs and fanaticism, let's see them, let's hear them.  The alleged "moderate, peaceful Muslims" are also largely tacitly and implicitly condoning everything that is ever done in their religion's name by not rising up against it and by generally, remaining silent.  Not only do the alleged "moderates not rise up against this stuff, polls usually show support for this kind of stuff, or jihad, or other such nonsense among the moderates.

At some point, let's stop pretending that the majority of Muslims are moderate or that the "real Islam" is anything other than what the vast majority of Muslims practice, teach and act on.

I suspect that the "moderate, peaceful Muslims" are akin to Catholics like John Kerry - sure they go to mass (or say they do) and self-identify as Catholic, but they do not adhere to any of the major tenets of the religion (on abortion, gay marriage, etc).

Religion is not a democracy - thus we can't pretend that because there are some "nice Muslims" who are not that faithful to Islam as it is understood by the vast majority of Muslims, that makes Islam anything but an evil, psychotic philosophy./religion/political system.  For instance, we don't say that Catholicism is pro-choice because some of its alleged adherents, a la Kerry, are pro-choice.  We must take the religion at its own words and teachings, not how it is interpreted by some small group of individuals who have no real influence on the religion generally.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (sOx93)

81 Yup, just bought Holy Terror to stick a thumb in the eye of hysterical lefties.  So whats the endgame?  Will an Islamist Europe be enough to wake up America?

Posted by: pashmr10 at September 30, 2011 05:23 AM (3aNC4)

82 Mr. Troy Anthony Davis - SAVANNAH - Celebration of Life service will held 11:00 a.m. Saturday, October 1, 2011 at Jonesville Baptist Church of the P.A.W., 5201 Montgomery St., Savannah, GA. Elder James Rodgers, Pastor. Dr. Raphael Warnock, Officiating. Visitation: Friday, 6-8 p.m. New Life Apostolic Temple, Inc. 2120 West Bay St. Savannah Morning News September 30, 2011 Please sign our Obituary Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries.

There's a pic of him that looks like Dave Chappell in a suit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (UOM48)

83

SORRY! The clause or moral relativism takes precedence here. Since the United States is killing people for being Moslems, it stands to reason that moslems are well within their right to take a few christians out here and there.

</lib hat>

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (g9KCn)

84 @78

Except that any pressure at all from outside sources helps to grab the world's attention....and makes Iran look worse (if that's possible). 

I pray for this man.  God bless him.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (ycuSb)

85

@78

Amnesty focuses on where they can collect money.

 

Posted by: boniface ballers at September 30, 2011 05:25 AM (bPbwB)

86 @68 It's not just the danger in coupling a 7th century mindset with 21st century technology, it's an even bigger danger to couple that 7th century mindset with 21st century liberal lawyers, morally bankrupt governments and organizations like the UN. And for the Iranian government-- you may well go through with this evil act, but God will have the last word. The death of one good man who stood up for Him will have repercussions that we cannot predict nor dream of.

Posted by: janis at September 30, 2011 05:25 AM (Jva7k)

87 Will an Islamist Europe be enough to wake up America?

Nope. We have gone soft (I agree with Obama - maybe I am wrong here) and stupid (except for me, of course).

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:26 AM (eEfYn)

88 sooooooo, did the U.N counsel address this when akmeddinnerjob came to town?

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (h+qn8)

89 73 I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that the world would be a much more peaceful place if the immediate geography north, east and south of Israel as well as Dearborn, MI were tranformed into a glass parking lot by the miracle of nuclear fission. More better. Posted by: Barbarian at September 30, 2011 10:17 AM (EL+OC) Nuclear FUSION - or better yet an airburst EMP device so they can all go without the ability to retaliate with anything other than a cous-cous shooter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (UlUS4)

90 87 Will an Islamist Europe be enough to wake up America? Nope. We have gone soft (I agree with Obama - maybe I am wrong here) and stupid (except for me, of course). We've gone soft and stupid because we let the left infect academia at every level for the past 50 odd years. That's why fascists like Warren, Perdue and Orszag sound reasonable to most people under 40. Taking back government is important but we cannot take back the country without taking back the schools.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (UlUS4)

91 Those Muslims aren't fanatical enough about their religion. We can show them how it's really done.

Posted by: PETA at September 30, 2011 05:32 AM (bm4vI)

92 A pig is a rat,  is a dog,  is a Christian.

Posted by: Those oh so sensitive libs at September 30, 2011 05:32 AM (TXKVh)

93 we cannot take back the country without taking back the schools

The country is lost and probably will not be able to be reclaimed. But there is no choice but to try to take it back.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:34 AM (eEfYn)

94 If the last 15 years cannot alert the people to the threat of islamism. Nothing will.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (eEfYn)

95 The goal of Islam is to "convert" every person on earth.  They will blow up your buildings, blow up your 1700 year old statue of Buddha and cut off your head to get there.  You can't make a global Caliphate without breaking a few eggs.

Posted by: huerfano at September 30, 2011 05:36 AM (263hv)

96

We've given reasons we think they are.  Care to back your own assertion?

I think that perhaps I am not bold enough to hold 1.5 billion people, many in the developing world without internet access, knowledge of world events or ability to speak publicly, personally responsible for the Iranian government's heinous actions. Not all muslims live under Sharia law or Iranian law and not all of them want to.

I am also biased because I personally know, and very much like, several muslims and they always speak out against this type of barbarity.  I find it infuriating that individuals are more interested in speaking up, but not official organizations since it is the latter that has the ability to better make their will and opinions known.


Posted by: Heralder at September 30, 2011 05:38 AM (/Mxso)

97 While I hope that this pastor has a long and fruitful ministry, it is not likely at this point. The rhetoric has been ratcheted up quite a bit here.

Please remember him. Remember this story. Especially when fools in the media or your friends want to equivocate on 'religious fundamentalism'. Christians don't kill the unbeliever. Jews don't kill the unbeliever.

When loudmouths claim that sharing your faith is doing 'harm' to them, or is expressing 'violent imperialism', remind them that this sort of nonsense denigrates the reality of those living under real oppression in islamic societies that lack the basic freedoms we have. Freedoms to say, "Jesus is the way the truth and the life, none shall come to the Father except through Him." And also the freedom to respond, "shove off."

Posted by: James at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (lY0w9)

98 I personally know, and very much like, several muslims and they always speak out against this type of barbarity.

The problem with the German people is that everyone knows a good muslim.

Posted by: Hitler at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (eEfYn)

99

 Judges in Rasht ruled that although Nadarkhani had not been a practising Muslim, his Islamic heritage made him guilty of apostasy.

Now that is just scary. Think about it. Anyone who has left an Islamic country, is, or should have been Islamic. Therefore, if you practice any other religion, you are an apostate. And can be sentenced to Death.

Posted by: HH at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (HFnqj)

100 HeartlessBlackOrchid, This is why I'm a bad Catholic - having to sit by while someone is martyred makes me just incredibly pissed off and grumpy. Why sit: do, feel guily, go to confession, rinse, repeat ...

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (WkuV6)

101

Mind you, I don't think every Muslim is answerable for this.

In the interests of treating everybody fairly, I think we should treat them exactly the way they treat others.  So in fact, every one of them is answerable for this.

Posted by: Zharkov at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (GRoWk)

102 I personally know, and very much like, several muslims and they always speak out against this type of barbarity. I knew (well as well as a TI lets you) lots of Muslims, who I didn't like very much, and they didn't speak out against this type of barbarity - now they don't speak at all.

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (WkuV6)

103

Oh, surely the Iranians won't actually do this!  Don't they know that killing their enemies of another religion will just make maaaaaaaaaaartyrs of them?  And as all the world knows (at least according to the MSM) that is the one ultimate, unforgiveable blunder that will guarantee endless payback and backlash!  Why can't they just adopt the clever strategy followed by the West, of beating the other side by not letting him notice that he's a loser?

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (jgkJo)

104 Let's spend a trillion on a PSA campaign: Silence means approval.

Posted by: Amanda Jane at September 30, 2011 06:10 AM (6WpgX)

105

The reason nothing is said? Because the elites at the top and their media buddies have already submitted to islam. The plan is for America to become an islamic state with islam as the national religion.

Why you say?

Because uneducated masses of people living in fear of a vengeful god are easy to control, the fear of the servants and religious leaders and their Fatwas will keep the people in line. having another political party that disagrees with the ruling islamic leaders party would be foolish because if anyone should disagree or run against such a party it would fly in the face of islamic doctrine and those other parties would become illegal, locked up or quickly dead.

If global warming were to become the fear then the elites would order the masses to believe in global warming (or what ever is the agenda) and then could make the changes when and how they wish with no opposition. To oppose the people who are preaching for that belief would be questioning a god, his doctrine and the mullahs in charge.

The elites in America of any group, be it kennedy's, clinton's or even Bush  that follows and accepts islam will after all continue to be the same folks in charge now except the government would have all the say and the people would do as ordered or die.

With islam in charge of America the elites will have all the perks while common American's will bow five times a day and suffer. The elites don't stand to lose a thing and gain in power and control. What embattled Governor wouldn't jump at the chance to blow his opponents party up with IED or suicide bomber just to win an election.

If islam takes over in America the same bunch of clowns in D.C. will still be in charge as are in charge today. The only difference is we the masses will not be able to control what is done to us or to others.

Posted by: HEP-T at September 30, 2011 06:12 AM (9fYLr)

106 Muhammad killed people himself; he waged war.

Jesus turned the other cheek and was executed (only to rise again!).

Evaluate the religions by comparing their founders.  What else is needed?

Now, about Youcef:  Contact your representative or Congressman.  Just five minutes from your day.  YOU speak up.  I did.  Someone has to....


Posted by: Will at September 30, 2011 06:19 AM (ubduJ)

107 Iran is actual religious totalitarianism as opposed to that which exists in the minds of anti-Christian dolts in the West.  Point this out the next time someone claims that Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, or Sarah Palin are roving the countryside baptizing people against their will.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2011 06:24 AM (E6FoU)

108

Just read through the comments on the Wired link to Frank Miller's new comic.  It will tell you all you need to know about the Muslims who posted there as well as the leftists.

I've said it many times.  I understand why a Muslim in Syria, Iran, etc., does not speak out against the thuggery practiced by their leaders, Imams, etc.  What I don't understand is the deafening silence from the Muslims in the West.  One can only conclude that they implicitly support those despotic regimes, the suicide bombings, sharia law, etc., because very few, in a country where they are essentially safe from reprisal, are willing to stick their neck out and criticize the very people they claim have "hijacked" their religion of peace.

Posted by: Jon in TX at September 30, 2011 06:35 AM (lRqIF)

109 I think that NASA's muslim outreach will resolve all outstanding issues within the next few years. Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Hitler at September 30, 2011 06:39 AM (eEfYn)

110 That is exactly what they want here, even as they deny it. Also, all should know that our own Moki conducted Christian meetings in her home in Jordan. When I heard that I was flabbergasted. Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 Wow, Vic. I don't deserve any kudos for that. I'm not brave. The brave ones were the women married to Muslims who wanted to worship Christ, knowing the consequences. We took great care to protect them, and God honored that, by keeping us all safe. This group of ladies probably still meets, and still does what they can to serve others and Christ. A few spare prayers for them would probably not go amiss. As for this brave pastor, I pray that God spares him for more work in his service, but I also know that God will be with him no matter what happens. I hope I have his courage when things get tough.

Posted by: moki at September 30, 2011 07:26 AM (dZmFh)

111 Uh, Torquemada! Timothy McVeigh! That nut who killed the abortion doctor!

The jesus freaks are PWNED again!

Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at September 30, 2011 07:40 AM (dIHHd)

112 I disagree Moki, you deserve max kudos.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (M9Ie6)

113 Islam is a neaderthal religion of pedophiliac murderers.

Posted by: Awful McNasty at September 30, 2011 08:39 AM (i7rGV)

114

I need to print this out and hand it to the next nutter who tries to tell me that my dislike of Islam isn't "fair."

Up until now I just say that I don't like religions that wants to murder me.  Now there's proof:  that's what it is.  In the name of Islam someone is going to be murdered because they don't believe.

And where are the death-penalty maniacs?  ***crickets***

I wish I could be suprised by the hypocrisy, but it's standard-issue.

Posted by: Biblio at September 30, 2011 08:42 AM (y5VNb)

115

Only one in twenty years. Now that is surprising.

Only "official" one in 20 years. Christian pastors and members of their flocks are routinely found dead on the side of the road in Iran after being questioned by state agents. Guess Imanutjob is feeling bolder these days.

Islam is a religious roach motel: You can check in, but you can't check out.

Posted by: TiredWench at September 30, 2011 09:04 AM (oPceJ)

116 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 11:42 AM (fyOgS)

117 Amnesty International does have entries for "Nadarkhani."  Granted, not nearly as much as for Troy Davis, but they do go back to February 2011.

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