November 29, 2010

Interesting Bit From WikiLeaks Dump: Bombing Iran Isn’t Just Some Neo-Con Wet Dream
— DrewM

Liberals love to talk about how nutty neo-cons only want to bomb Iran to save their masters in Israel or something. Well, that little talking point took a big hit yesterday, unless the King of Saudi Arabia is really Jewish or something.

There was little surprising in Mr. Barak’s implicit threat that Israel might attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. As a pressure tactic, Israeli officials have been setting such deadlines, and extending them, for years. But six months later it was an Arab leader, the king of Bahrain, who provides the base for the American Fifth Fleet, telling the Americans that the Iranian nuclear program “must be stopped,” according to another cable. “The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it,” he said.

His plea was shared by many of America’s Arab allies, including the powerful King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, who according to another cable repeatedly implored Washington to “cut off the head of the snake” while there was still time.

The fact that Gulf state Arabs aren’t thrilled with the idea of the Persians in Iran having nukes and want to see their ambitions checked isn’t new to anyone who has paid the least bit of attention to this stuff for going on 10 years now. Of course, that eliminates most rank and file Democrats and every leftist who thinks the US is simply trying to gin up a war with Iran for fun and Halliburton profits.

If you’re looking for some of the highlights of the WikiLeaks dump, scroll around this Twitter feed, there’s information both news worthy and gossipy.

Overall, it seem this is something that will be forgotten quickly for the most part. There doesn’t seem to be much that’s shocking or we didn’t know (or at least strongly suspect). Yes, some of the personal characterizations are embarrassing but it’s not like every government (or hell any group of people) don’t talk more candidly in private than they do in public. People will get over it.

The real damage is that future sources of information may be reluctant to come forward in the future for fear of becoming an inadvertent star in some future mass leak. In a lot of places in the world that will lead to far worse things than some embarrassment.

Along those lines Congressman Peter King (R-NY) and currently the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, is urging Attorney General Holder to charge Assange with a crime and for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to designate WikiLeaks as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

From the letter to Clinton…

We know terrorist organizations have been mining the leaked Afghan documents for information to use against us and this Iraq leak is more than four times as large. By disclosing such sensitive information, WikiLeaks continues to put at risk the lives of our troops, their coalition partners and those Iraqis and Afghans working with us.

The WikiLeaks releases provide valuable information and insights to FTOs throughout the world on U.S. military and diplomatic sources and methods and allow our enemies to better prepare for future U.S. and allied military, intelligence, and law enforcement operations targeting them. In addition, the leaks allow nation-states such as Russia, China, and Iran access to information regarding how the United States collects, analyzes, and produces intelligence products.

WikiLeaks presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. I strongly urge you to work within the Administration to use every offensive capability of the U.S. government to prevent further damaging releases by WikiLeaks.

Maybe I’m just a cynic but I doubt this administration is going to do anything of the sort. In fairness, the Bush administration didn’t come down on officials who leaked information to the NY Times, the Washington Post or other outlets either. Funny how they get a pass but your average airline passenger gets a virtual strip search or groped for having the temerity to want to go home for Thanksgiving.

(Thanks to Baseballcrank for the King link)

Posted by: DrewM at 09:40 AM | Comments (49)
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1 We're still going to get Iran bombed and blame it on the Jews. After all, they just set a fire in a Corvallis mosque.

Posted by: King Abdullah at November 29, 2010 09:45 AM (FcR7P)

2 Funny how they get a pass but your average airline passenger gets a virtual strip search or groped for having the temerity to want to go home for Thanksgiving.

Well, of course, Drew.  Those officials might be needed for some Presidential CYA one day, and they can't very well do that from under the bus.  And those news outlets might be needed for some flattering coverage one day, and they're not going to do that if they get burned over something trifling like endangering national security.

The rubes flying the not-so-friendly-skies, however?  Who need's 'em.  Throw some pork at their districts and they'll be happy enough.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:46 AM (8y9MW)

3 My take from the Wikileaks document dump: Obama thinks as little of the rest of the world as he does of us.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 29, 2010 09:46 AM (OWjjx)

4 If it makes Barry Hussein Soetoro Obamadinijad look bad, expect all sorts of bad luck to come Assange's way.

He should stay away from Fort Marcy Park.  He may end up Vince Foster'ed.

Posted by: TexBob at November 29, 2010 09:46 AM (7cXE7)

5 I think that if you knowingly pass on illegally obtained secret information, you should be held liable to the same criminal penalties.

The same principle is in effect in property crimes.

Hell, the government should just copyright it and apply RIAA rules.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2010 09:48 AM (T0NGe)

6
Maybe I’m just a cynic but I doubt this administration is going to do anything of the sort.

I concur, ol' chum. And I'll up the ante and assume that the Obama admin will somehow manage to find a way to do the opposite -- perhaps even declare Rep King a terrorist and issue the Medal of Honor to Julian Assange.


Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 29, 2010 09:48 AM (uFokq)

7 Hell, the government should just copyright it and apply RIAA rules.

Now that's playing dirty.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:48 AM (8y9MW)

Posted by: John McCain at November 29, 2010 09:48 AM (Q1lie)

9 If you want Assbange or Manning brought to justice, you're going to have to plant illegally-obtained mp3's on them.

Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2010 09:50 AM (FcR7P)

10 Hey Jay Rockefeller was the only one to say Saddam Hussein had nukes in his senate floor speech ... then it disappeared from the senate archive. There is still video on CSPAN

Posted by: tarpon at November 29, 2010 09:50 AM (g0QB8)

11 Funny how they get a pass but your average airline passenger gets a virtual strip search or groped for having the temerity to want to go home for Thanksgiving.

It will be nice when we can get through a story about anything without some off topic gratuitous reference to this whole overblown hype about airline security. This idiot Assange could actually have put people lives in real danger. People could die because of this which is more than can be said for someone getting a pat down for heavens sake. BTW, airline security did not even change for 80% of the people who traveled during Thanksgiving which might be why there were no hoped for hysterics and hold ups in the nation's airports. Shocking as it maybe to believe I myself have actually been through a body scanner lived to tell the tale.

As for whether or not these folks get a pass, I think that remains to be seen. That silly young man who gave information to Wikileaks before is facing some pretty stiff charges.

Posted by: Terrye at November 29, 2010 09:53 AM (bNnwW)

12 The next thing your gonna tell me is that Arab World doesn't give a rat's ass about the Palestinians?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 29, 2010 09:55 AM (0GFWk)

13 Remember that the MFM, including the Daily Show, jumped on the NIE 2007 crazy train (Iran has no nuclear weapons ambitions). They have no interest in covering this. They have a great interest in downplaying this, in addition to covering for the Manufactured Messiah

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 29, 2010 09:55 AM (R2fpr)

14 The answer is CLEARLY, we need more Gheys guys in the military.

Oh, wait the traitor who gave these documents was a Ghey who was upset about his boy friend.

Damn, guess I read that in the NY Times.

NOT.

Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2010 09:56 AM (JpFM9)

15 BTW, airline security did not even change for 80% of the people who traveled during Thanksgiving which might be why there were no hoped for hysterics and hold ups in the nation's airports. Shocking as it maybe to believe I myself have actually been through a body scanner lived to tell the tale.

Posted by: Terrye

You may have lived, but you post like an asshole. Were you always this dense, or is it due to the scanner?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 29, 2010 09:57 AM (R2fpr)

16 It will be nice when we can get through a story about anything without some off topic gratuitous reference to this whole overblown hype about airline security.

I'll grant you "gratuitous" but not "off topic."

The point there, as I read it, was one of contrast: Granny flying from Detroit to Dallas to see her grand-kids is a potential terrorist threat, Julian Assange and sundry are sent a strongly worded letter.  I'm a little amazed saddened at the contrast myself.

I don't know that the point needed to be made, but it's Drew's post; he can make any point he desires.  Excepting, perhaps, the point that it was COD's fault we didn't stop WikiLeaks from making this doc-dump.  Or that Jim DeMint caused the recession.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:59 AM (8y9MW)

17 From the NYT:
The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.
... that was about Climate Gate emails.

As for WikeLeaks, they have no problem with legality whatsoever.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 29, 2010 10:01 AM (tE8FB)

18 I don't know that the point needed to be made, but it's Drew's post; he can make any point he desires.  Excepting, perhaps, the point that it was COD's fault we didn't stop WikiLeaks from making this doc-dump.  Or that Jim DeMint caused the recession.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

 

Word!

Posted by: Alvin Greene at November 29, 2010 10:01 AM (R2fpr)

19 The fact that Gulf state Arabs aren’t thrilled with the idea of the Persians in Iran having nukes and want to see their ambitions checked isn’t new to anyone who has paid the least bit of attention to this stuff for going on 10 years now.

This is especially true since the current Iranian MiC (Maniac in Charge) is a dedicated "Twelfth-er" who has the blessings of the Supreme Leader.  I still think the Ayatollah converted to the Cult of the 12th Imam.  Why else would he support Ahmedinejad during the violent 2008 elections and keep him from being impeached by the Iranian Parliament? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 10:04 AM (9hSKh)

20 Regarding COD...it's early.

Posted by: Pelvis at November 29, 2010 10:04 AM (LlaBi)

21 Clinton and D'ohbama suck, so they're going to do NOTHING with regards to Assrangle.  Political correctness will DESTROY this country and the world if they're not careful.

Posted by: Sponge at November 29, 2010 10:05 AM (UK9cE)

22 The HMS Invincible isn't so invincible after all.  It's being sold.  On the internet!  It floats...engines were removed, but hell.  Drop a couple V8's in that bitch, rename it the SS Moron, and turn it into a floating hobo hunt, casino, and Valu-Rite distillery.  It even has plenty of acreage up 'topside' for a putting green, and slip 'n slide. 

http://tinyurl.com/2fukspr

Posted by: DngrMse at November 29, 2010 10:05 AM (wYKnM)

23 I think this qualifies Julian Assange for a nomination for the Obama Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Fritz at November 29, 2010 10:10 AM (GwPRU)

24 Posted by: DngrMse at November 29, 2010 03:05 PM

Wow, those things are half the tonnage of a Wasp-class amphibious assault ship?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2010 10:10 AM (Brjev)

25
Shocking as it maybe to believe I myself have actually been through a body scanner lived to tell the tale.

The same thing was said by a few train travelers from Dachau to Aushewitz.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 29, 2010 10:10 AM (uFokq)

26
Just close your eyes and think of England...

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 29, 2010 10:11 AM (uFokq)

27 All of these fears would once be dismissed as temporary challenges that would be eventually met by an America that won World War 2 and the Cold War. But what the financial meltdown and the execrable record of the Obama administration broadcast is that Obama’s USA is no longer what it used to be. It has beclowned itself to the point where it is unable to even prevent its secrets from being thrown in its face. The danger, argues the Asia Times, is that this contempt is cumulative; and that North Korea, Iran and China will either successfully challenge or miscalculate. Either way disaster impends.

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur at November 29, 2010 10:11 AM (tE8FB)

28 His plea was shared by many of America’s Arab allies, including the powerful King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, who according to another cable repeatedly implored Washington to “cut off the head of the snake” while there was still time.

Bush isn't so much a slave to the Saudis as originally thought, hmm? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 10:11 AM (9hSKh)

29 9 If you want Assbange or Manning brought to justice, you're going to have to plant illegally-obtained mp3's Fake Gucci Handbags on them.

Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2010 02:50 PM (FcR7P)

FTFY  Though they probably already have them.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 10:15 AM (oVQFe)

30 We could use the HMS Invinciple for a floating prison ship for the Wikileaks folks.

Posted by: torabora at November 29, 2010 10:17 AM (grzsD)

31 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 03:11 PM (9hSKh)

Of course, I love the part where they asked us to do it.  You know, instead of getting together with all the other Arabic countries that are afraid of what will happen if Iran joins the Nuclear Power club and stopping it themselves.  Or even just quietly assisting Isreal in the same pursuit.

Because, you see, stopping Iran is only part of the point.  The rest is to be able to claim that the US is acting as the imperialist aggressor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 10:17 AM (8y9MW)

32

You may have lived, but you post like an asshole. Were you always this dense, or is it due to the scanner?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 29, 2010 02:57 PM (R2fpr)

She is that dense.  Fuck you Terrye and everyone else dumb enough to believe that people would not tolerate being asked simple questions about their flights by real security personnel, or having bomb sniffing dogs around, but they're perfectly happy getting unknown doses of X-rays, and being sexually assaulted by perverts on a power trip using the same gloves over and over on everyone.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 10:18 AM (oVQFe)

33

Thanksgiving which might be why there were no hoped for hysterics and hold ups in the nation's airports. Shocking as it maybe to believe I myself have actually been through a body scanner lived to tell the tale.

As for whether or not these folks get a pass, I think that remains to be seen. That silly young man who gave information to Wikileaks before is facing some pretty stiff charges.

Posted by: Terrye at November 29, 2010 02:53 PM (bNnwW)

And you're a lying shit too.  You went through security in Mid October.  These procedures came about after the elections were over.  And there were no hysterics over Thanksgiving because they shut down the pornoscanners and sexual assaults at the first sign of resistance.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 10:20 AM (oVQFe)

34 Soon to be Ex-PFC Manning isn't gonna like being ghey doing the rest of his life in Club Fed. I'd imprison him at Club Gitmo with the rest of his friends. Our moooselem guests there will declare him a goat and you know what happens to goats when they get around moooselems.

Posted by: torabora at November 29, 2010 10:21 AM (grzsD)

35 I have no problems with bombing Iran....or Syria.....or Somalia....or Libia.....

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 10:23 AM (pV2aS)

36

And you're a lying shit too.  You went through security in Mid October.  These procedures came about after the elections were over.  And there were no hysterics over Thanksgiving because they shut down the pornoscanners and sexual assaults at the first sign of resistance.

Posted by: buzzion

 

Well that can't be true. According to the renowned security expert Terrye, over 80% of the people went through the old detectors. And we all know that the new scanners and procedures wouldn't be sidelined merely because the peasants bleated. Nay, these are for security, so no one would play PR games with them... Right?

 

We now return you to the normal level of sarcasm and abuse, already in progress.

Posted by: Alvin Greene at November 29, 2010 10:25 AM (R2fpr)

37  Throw some pork at their districts and they'll be happy enough.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 02:46 PM (8y9MW)

Throwing pork at moooooselems could be interesting.

Posted by: torabora at November 29, 2010 10:28 AM (grzsD)

38

My only hope is that we elect an American to the WH in 2012.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 10:30 AM (pV2aS)

39 I have no problems with bombing Iran....or Syria.....or Somalia....or Libia.....

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 03:23 PM (pV2aS)

Amen - and the bigger the bombs the better I like it.  Though I wish we'd go back to a huge volume of unguided dumb-bombs dropped as a massive black cloud of steel.  Precision guided munititions are too costly, and don't make the same kind of statement that can be had by leveling several city blocks at a time.

This episode is just one more in a string characterized by cowardly so-called "allies" basically trying to get the US to do all the dirty work.  They wrap themselves in comfortable lies, sacrifice nothing, and wait for all the sunshine and rainbows to flow once the US has spend blood and treasure to avert disaster.  We need fewer such "allies."  If they want us to clean up the messes, and if they want to enjoy Pax Americana, then they should start paying tribute. 

Posted by: Reactionary at November 29, 2010 10:31 AM (xUM1Q)

40 Our moooselem guests there will declare him a goat and you know what happens to goats when they get around moooselems.

Posted by: torabora at November 29, 2010 03:21 PM (grzsD)

I suspect some cleric among them will suddenly have a vision from mohammed telling him that temporary gay marriage is OK.  Mush like the way the pukes in Iran get around the prohibition on executing virgins.

 

Posted by: Reactionary at November 29, 2010 10:33 AM (xUM1Q)

41 Onward, Christian soldiers!

Posted by: 'King' Abdullah at November 29, 2010 10:35 AM (27KAF)

42 Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 03:18 PM (oVQFe)

And the answer to that is simple: I can do it without "profiling" based on Race, Age, Religion, or any of those things.

Step 1: The Ticketing Agency/Airline answers these seven questions:
1) Ticket Purchased Less than 24 Hours in Advance?
2) Ticket Purchased With Cash?
3) Traveling Alone?
4) Ticket Purchaser Different from Flyer?
5) No Checked Bags?
6) No Carry-Ons?
7) One Way Flight?

If two or more of these are answered "Yes," congratulations you've just qualified for an enhanced screening.  One or none?  Congratulations, you get to go straight to your concourse.

All of this information is available without you having to ask me a single question or make any subjective judgments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 10:39 AM (8y9MW)

43 As the US, we should tell all the muzzie hierarchy that any nuclear explosions set off by Iran will bring total and long lasting destruction of their most sacred sites, including Mecca and Medina.  Any muslim retalitory reaction to this will bring about still more destruction of muslim land and populace.  Maybe then they might do something themselves to bring down the Iranian regime.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 10:41 AM (pV2aS)

44 Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but this is the third time there's been a flurry of coverage about Wikileaks and IMO it's been much ado about nothing. We haven't learned anything that amazing and sure the Left-wing media will resort to some anti-American propaganda, but that's nothing new.

Posted by: andrew at November 29, 2010 10:55 AM (R8nbn)

45 Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but this is the third time there's been a flurry of coverage about Wikileaks and IMO it's been much ado about nothing. We haven't learned anything that amazing and sure the Left-wing media will resort to some anti-American propaganda, but that's nothing new.

Posted by: andrew

We learned that Saudi Arabia didn't agree with the NIE of 2007 that said Iran was scrapbooking instead of making nuclear weapons. If 'we' knew this, the media certainly wasn't announcing it. And that they wanted us to stomp them. Which would fit when Bush directed the Pentagon to draw up war plans.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 29, 2010 11:22 AM (R2fpr)

46 39 I have no problems with bombing Iran....or Syria.....or Somalia....or Libia.....

With Canadian bacon.

Posted by: wrg at November 29, 2010 11:38 AM (mB2ub)

47
Funny how they get a pass but your average airline passenger gets a virtual strip search or groped for having the temerity to want to go home for Thanksgiving.

It's on purpose. But I think you know that, or are coming to that view.

Keep in mind, this is an administration that bends over backwards to look out for the rights of terrorists, enemy combatants, and illegal aliens but is actively attempting to strip  citizens of their rights.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 30, 2010 05:06 AM (1hM1d)

48 I've heard that the marching song for the Saudi army is "Onward Christian Soldiers."

Posted by: Craig at November 30, 2010 09:47 AM (xP8Aq)

49 I've heard that the marching song for the Saudi army is "Onward Christian Soldiers."

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