June 28, 2006

Howard Dean: America About To Enter 60's Again
— Ace

And he thinks that's a good thing.

Dean said he is looking for "the age of enlightenment led by religious figures who want to greet Americans with a moral, uplifting vision."

"The problem is when we hit that '60s spot again, which I am optimistic we're about to hit, we have to make sure that we don't make the same mistakes," Dean added.

He then goes on to admit actual liberal mistakes-- government housing which created ghettos for blacks, giving away stuff "for free," and the like.

But then this erudite analysis of the minimum wage's effect on marginal job creation:

As one method of accomplishing that goal, the DNC chairman called on Congress "to raise the minimum wage until we have a living wage in this country." He dismissed criticism of a minimum wage hike as "economists' mumbo-jumbo."

Strong. Scientifically-minded.

Gee, I don't know where people get the idea that the Democratic Party is stuck in the 60's, the party of pot, pacifism, and pwife swapping.

Posted by: Ace at 06:43 AM | Comments (58)
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1 What's a 'pwife"?

Posted by: This&That at June 28, 2006 06:45 AM (MSMPS)

2 What's a 'pwife"?

Ace being psilly.

Posted by: shawn at June 28, 2006 06:50 AM (yp3GE)

3 If we we have a bunch of pliberals baked on pot, wouldn't that just make it easier to get things done while they'er busy search for doritos?

Posted by: sh1fty at June 28, 2006 06:53 AM (WkTFy)

4 He does have a point. The Detroit Tigers won the World Series in 1968.

Posted by: Jay at June 28, 2006 06:53 AM (aoqT1)

5 I might be able to listen to a Boomer for more than 5 seconds if they would just shut the fuck up about pWoodstock, pWatergate and the God damned pBeatles.

Posted by: Phinn at June 28, 2006 06:54 AM (DiZv6)

6 Sorry for the OT Post:

Top court upholds most of Texas redistricting plan

Not that I care one way or other about redistricting in Texas.

Posted by: Tushar D at June 28, 2006 06:57 AM (tyRhL)

7 And another OT:

Senator seeks tax on pimps, prostitutes

Oh, this is a Dean thread. This is not OT then.

Posted by: Tushar D at June 28, 2006 06:59 AM (tyRhL)

8 economists' mumbo-jumbo

wow, that's some substantive criticism there, why does anyone listen to this guy

Posted by: j at June 28, 2006 07:07 AM (yHvEo)

9 Now if he's talking the 1760s, I've got no problem with that.

Posted by: Steve the LLamabutcher at June 28, 2006 07:12 AM (c5Jw4)

10 Groovy.

Posted by: Pupster at June 28, 2006 07:12 AM (NMGPj)

11 Phinn - Did I ever tell you about the time I met the Beatles on the way to Woodstock? It was before Watergate but. . .

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 28, 2006 07:14 AM (3nKvy)

12 Actually the Democrats are stuck in the 1930s, complete with socialist and communist anti-American subversion. And like many of those dupes shot in the head by Stalin, their "buddies" the Islamofascists will not reward them with utopia.

Posted by: at June 28, 2006 07:15 AM (Gi7oA)

13 "If you look at how we did public housing, we essentially created ghettoes for poor people instead of using today's method of mixed-income housing."

I wonder how many "mixed-income" housing transplants live in Howard's neighborhood?

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 28, 2006 07:31 AM (kVUW4)

14 Vermont, as of the most recent census, is 96.8% white.

Posted by: Slublog at June 28, 2006 07:34 AM (R8+nJ)

15 When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

(Picture it sung by a chorus of Kos diarists in tye-died dashiki's, led by Jerome Armstrong in a Gandalf constume . . .)

Posted by: The Colossus at June 28, 2006 07:39 AM (G4rp8)

16 Howard Dean is the Tom Cruise of politics...the couch-hopping, squirt gun-grabbing, placenta-eating, take-a-pill Tom Cruise. I can't take my eyes off either one - soooo entertaining. Every word scores 8+ on the unintentional comedy scale.

"Economist mumbo-jumbo"="I have studied the history of psychology"...Brilliant!

Posted by: adam at June 28, 2006 07:42 AM (pEXyx)

17 The only thing I want back from the 60's is cops beating hippies into pudding with billy clubs.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at June 28, 2006 07:46 AM (UEjiH)

18 Did Howard Dean ever leave the 60's in the first place?

Posted by: Sean M. at June 28, 2006 07:47 AM (dc5zY)

19 Minimum wage... simply a tool used by labor unions to artificially increase the cost of non union labor. Had that explained to me by a long haired ex hippie econ prof in college. I think about it every time a see an add by a labor union asking me to call my rep to insist we increase the minimum wage. Why would unions care about the minimum wage? Are there really any union workers getting the minimum wage? If so, why are they in a union? If raising the minimum wage is such a great thing, why not raise it to $50 an hour and we can all retire early.

Posted by: Steve at June 28, 2006 07:47 AM (VWT9p)

20 Many unions' contract wages—and therefore their dues—are based on multiples of the minimum wage, too.

Yay corporate welfare.

Posted by: Mumbo-Economist at June 28, 2006 08:01 AM (JLI/R)

21 "Economist's mumbo-jumbo" = "I am so stupid, I have no idea how an economy really works, and I am assuming that if you are listening to me, neither do you, so it all sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me, regardless of how intelligent or well-founded the arguments may be. The fact that they disagree with me, however, completely undermines my desire to understand them, because, hey, man, it's like we're all living on a molecule on the fingernail of some huge giant, man."

Posted by: wiserbud at June 28, 2006 08:10 AM (AQGeh)

22 The 1960's, huh? Gosh, I wonder what kind of entrenched elites today's college kids might want to rebel against.

Posted by: Guy T. at June 28, 2006 08:12 AM (j02xJ)

23 Only 54 more years, Howard, and it will be the 60's again!


Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2006 08:16 AM (8GHW6)

24 And we can all ride on the magical VW bus to get there! Cool, man!

Posted by: Bandit at June 28, 2006 08:18 AM (d2Hfk)

Posted by: Brett Bullington at June 28, 2006 08:28 AM (/QYGF)

26 I suppose that dim-bulb dead is going to sponsor a woodstock concert on the farm in vermont or will their again by antiwar riots by the so called peace-niks and will there be another KENT STATE incedent? and will protester wussies be sticking flowers in guns? Why dont he quit flapping his piehole and quit trying to be such a jerk

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 08:37 AM (Dutrh)

27 So Dean, aka God's Gift to the Republican Party, admits that some 60's era anti-poverty programs may have had some unintentional negative consequences, but such things could not possibly happen if minimun wage was raised to a living wage (whatever amount that is)? Neat.

I honestly try not to think that liberals are dumb. I really do. I try to believe that they're just looking at problems from a different perspective, but it often seems to be the perspective of an 8 year old.

Posted by: Jason at June 28, 2006 08:37 AM (Y2Bw/)

28 The Deaniacs may be nuts, but their policy on Iraq is certainly gaining ground:

It may be gaining ground with some in Iraq, Brent, but the article states that the groups who have been causing most of the problems have not bought into a fixed timetable.

More importantly, the article quotes the new PM as understanding that the mission has to be complete before an arbitrary departure.

Al-Maliki, in remarks broadcast on national television Wednesday, did not issue an outright rejection of the timetable demand but said it was unrealistic because he could not be certain when the Iraqi army and police would be strong enough to assume full responsibility for the country's security.

I honestly don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. You leave when the mission is complete. This constant whine from the left of when will that be is like a pain in the ass 3 year old in the back seat asking every 30 seconds "Are we there yet?"

Posted by: JackStraw at June 28, 2006 08:45 AM (J8+2b)

29 Jackstraw,

I think you misunderstood my intent. I just found it funny and interesting that much of the enemy is essentially endorsing the position of the Democrat party.

Posted by: Brett Bullington at June 28, 2006 08:52 AM (/QYGF)

30 When politicians talk about a new "1960's", why do they always talk about the sucky parts? Screw useless welfare programs, I wanna see James Marshall Hendrix rise from the grave.

Posted by: HenryMalredo at June 28, 2006 08:59 AM (e3tsv)

31 It's clear to me that the Democratic gameplan is to keep bitching that we need to withdrawal then proclaim victory when the occupation winds down to its inevitable conclusion and we bring the troops home.

"Oh-HO! See that! We're bringing the troops home. Looks like the Republicans are following our plan! We were right all along!"

I've already seen the beginnings of this strategy. I'm not sure whether to be amused or disgusted.

Posted by: The Warden at June 28, 2006 09:01 AM (rkK3q)

32 I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me. Now, I may not know anything about your economists' mumbo-jumbo, but I do know one thing: we need to raise the minimum wage.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Democrat at June 28, 2006 09:10 AM (Uuy++)

33 Warden,

I've wondered about this, too. I've wondered if Murtha's initial call for withdrawal occurred after he had been briefed on plans to draw down troop levels as the situation improved in Iraq. I wouldn't put it past him.

Posted by: Brett Bullington at June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (/QYGF)

34 I was agreeing with you, Brett. Don't go all Warden/BrewFan on me. That will mean you and I will have to have a Brawny moment somewhere down the line and that would just make me yak.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (J8+2b)

35 Jackstraw,

OK--apparently I'm the one who misunderstood.

I certainly don't want to get into a Warden/Brewfan with you about it!

Posted by: Brett Bullington at June 28, 2006 09:15 AM (/QYGF)

36 Don't go all Warden/BrewFan on me

Are you talking to me?

Are YOU talking to ME?!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Warden at June 28, 2006 09:24 AM (8WTw1)

37 Yes, leadership! Follow the Democratic Party into the... past. With the same failed ideas, ignoring economics and math, yeah. Vote Democrat, we'll do what the GOP is, except for a few failed, old ideas for the past. But we mean well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2006 09:26 AM (Pwzb0)

38 Oh hi, Warden. I didn't see you come in. You look stressed. Come over here and let me....blech.

I feel dirty as hell.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 28, 2006 09:28 AM (J8+2b)

39 Put "G Spot" in place of "60s Spot" and the whole thing reads better.

Tough. Smart. Secret Plan.

Posted by: Birkel at June 28, 2006 09:45 AM (KAPYU)

40 Jackstraw,

I think Birkel just implied that you're gay or something.

Posted by: The Warden at June 28, 2006 10:01 AM (8WTw1)

41 Not gay, sensitive. Chicks dig the sensitive shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 28, 2006 10:05 AM (J8+2b)

42 I was referring to Dean's original comment.

Give it a try; I'll wait here.

Posted by: Birkel at June 28, 2006 10:07 AM (KAPYU)

43 Birkel,

Did you just call JackStraw a retarded chimp? Man, that's not cool.

Posted by: The Warden at June 28, 2006 10:19 AM (8WTw1)

44 I muttered it. Actually, I'm surprised you could hear it. Nothing more than a faint whisper.

Damn it! (slaps forehead)

President Bush's spying programs really are sophisticated. Now I know I'm losing my personal liberty.

(resumes slapping foreskin)

Posted by: Birkel at June 28, 2006 10:25 AM (KAPYU)

45 Birkel, remember this? Howard Dean is a dirty dirty man.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2006 10:26 AM (PQyeQ)

46 I remember.

Heck, sometimes I hide mine so well I forget where I put it.


Posted by: Birkel at June 28, 2006 10:31 AM (KAPYU)

47 I could be OK with some of that pre-AIDS free love stuff. Is Dean saying we've cured AIDS?

Will I have to unpack all my ancient hippie wardrobe for this or will contemporary jeans and a tee shirt be acceptable?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 28, 2006 11:04 AM (JuWpl)

48 Well, let's see what era Bush wants us to go back to???

The early 1930s. Yes, he's Herbert Hoover - this time with a phony war!

Posted by: Moon at June 28, 2006 12:04 PM (hIuLs)

49 Well, Howard Dean might like the Age of Aquarius, but Bush supporters really like the Horst Wessel song, complete with jackboots and brown shirts.

/Two can play that stupid game

Posted by: Moon at June 28, 2006 12:11 PM (hIuLs)

50 Well, let's see what era Bush wants us to go back to???

Prepositions are poor choices to end sentences with.

And "???," well, we just don't do that around here, Moon.

Posted by: Brett Bullington at June 28, 2006 12:32 PM (/QYGF)

51 You know, it wouldn't be so bad if they stuck to the pot and wife-swapping.

But, no, they have to keep pushing the god-damned socialism.

Posted by: Ken at June 28, 2006 12:56 PM (4mdSw)

52 Ah the lefty comeback, what genius:

"I know we are but what are you?"

"Yes, I know what we say is stupid and insane but BUSH LIED!!111!!1!!!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2006 01:11 PM (Pwzb0)

53 This is not an occult science. This is not one of those crazy systems of divination and astrology. That stuff's hooey, and you've got to have a screw loose to go in for that sort of thing. Our beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand. Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration. You would make that conclusion walking down the street or going to the store.

Posted by: Howard Dean, DNC chair at June 28, 2006 04:09 PM (CDwI3)

54 You get the idea that if an interviewer demanded that Dean explain the economic concept of Comparative Advantage or Opportunity Costs, that maybe Dean's head would explode?

Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 04:28 PM (+DMjG)

55 For a real justure why dont they have a release of WHITE DOVES after all thats the real symbol of peace not a chicken footprint OH YES RELEASE THE DOVES and wait for one of those birds to have a dileberate accedent in HOWARD DEANS FACE i would like that SQUARK,SQUARK,SQUARK

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:31 PM (n7v4a)

56 "America About To Enter 60's Again"

Sounds fun. Maybe I will understand some of the people I hate once I enter the 60's.

Posted by: mike s. at June 28, 2006 08:31 PM (wFBkf)

57 That's the difference between Bush and Clinton. Clinton, the Eisenhower Republican, was a feel-good president. He radiated complacency. Iraqis starved in the stranglehold of US-led sanctions; we didn't have to know or care. Illegal immigrants filtered in, helped us prosper, but stayed conveniently invisible. Clinton kept the divisive issues below the radar, and reaped a huge harvest of popularity for it.

Not Bush. Bush thinks Iraqis deserve to liberated, undocumented workers legalized. Why? His arguments that it serves US self-interest (war on terror, border security) never quite make sense. His real reason is that he believes in "the dignity of every individual." That's what's so subversive about Bush. We all mutter that "all men are created equal." Bush really believes it and tries to live by it, and his push for a better world is making a lot of people upset.

The sequel to the complacent 1950s was the volatile, angst-ridden 1960s, when idealists took center stage and ripped the national consensus apart. It's happening again.


Posted by: taba at July 01, 2006 01:15 PM (2VRVS)

58 taba, I don't know if I agree with that.

My opinion is that Bush is the quintessential CEO and he runs America like it's a huge corporation. His goals are to keep his employees (Americans) happy and generating revenue (a robust economy).

One can look at all his decisions and say that were all made in the best interest of the American economy -- for the short and long term.

I'm beginning to believe Bush was so upset by 9/11 because it halted the American economy and put his little worker bees in a bad mood. I would never have thought that if he wasn't trying to bullshit the American people with, "they're doing the jobs that Americans won't do."

Posted by: Bart at July 01, 2006 01:32 PM (Fz/fI)

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