March 29, 2013

How Democrats Avoided a Debacle and How We Should Do Similarly
— Ace

At Hot Air, of course.

Although former President Bill Clinton was publicly neutral, his decision to meet with and counsel a Judd rival, 34-year-old Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes, in Owensboro earlier this month had an impact. The assumption, at first disputed by Clinton allies, was that he was backing Grimes. News of the meeting, first reported by HuffPost, together with the lack of support for Judd from current and past Kentucky leaders — including incumbent Gov. Steve Beshear — showed that Judd would have had to attempt a hostile takeover of the party…

Although Judd had the backing of Louisville-based supporters of Barack Obama, led by former Obama finance chief Matthew Barzun, the president’s advisers in Washington were openly hostile to the idea of her candidacy. That circle, including former Obama top adviser David Plouffe, worried not only that Judd was too liberal and inexperienced for Kentucky, but that Republicans would use her candidacy and Hollywood background to attack Democratic Senate candidates running in other red states…

Ann Coulter talked about this at CPAC -- or rather how the GOP isn't dong this. Beginning at 6:54, she discusses not having the Senate do to "narcissism" and "showing off" for other conservatives -- that is, people trying to out-conservative each other until they do such a terrific job of winning that contest that they lose elections.

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1 OH Lord. Hot Air all the time.

Fist?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 08:50 AM (Kpn/z)

2 George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does.  He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 08:50 AM (UypUQ)

3

Charlie Crist was a great GOP Senate candidate. 

Posted by: rd at March 29, 2013 08:51 AM (zLp5I)

4 that is, people trying to out-conservative each other until they do such a terrific job of winning that contest that they lose elections.



I haven't seen any Republicans in the Senate trying to be conservative since Jim DeMint left and went to Heritage.

Posted by: Vic at March 29, 2013 08:51 AM (53z96)

5 Except that when we do this it becomes the evil RINO Establishment suppressing all authentic conservative candidates.

This is why we can't have nice things. :-(

Posted by: Mtenloch at March 29, 2013 08:52 AM (pAlYe)

6

"worried not only that Judd was too liberal and inexperienced for Kentucky, but that ..."

 

 

... she was too puffy?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 08:52 AM (IDSI7)

7 that is, people trying to out-conservative each other until they do
such a terrific job of winning that contest that they lose elections.

Never mind, he's on a roll.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 08:52 AM (Kpn/z)

8 The Clinton/Judd rape nexus.

Posted by: Real Joe at March 29, 2013 08:52 AM (q6It0)

9 Rape is even worse when it happens behind closed doors and you're not even there to defend yourself.

Posted by: Ashley Judd at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (8ZskC)

10 Ace did threaten to go HotAir all day.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (ZPrif)

11 George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does. He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012. ------------ That's because he's doing what ex presidents are supposed to do. Shut up and retire. Thanks to Clinton and Carter, that won't happen anymore. Can you imagine how irritating O is going to be in his retirement?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (CyP2Z)

12 Tommy Thompson is a veteran campaigner. 

Posted by: rd at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (zLp5I)

13 And of course the constant denigration and sneers at SoCons are reasonable and simply common sense.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (Kpn/z)

14 Leftists are way better at strategic voting than we are.  Of course the media is indispensable in assisting them. In a mirror world where the issues switched sides, and pro-homosexual marriage was our issue, Obama could not have been elected because we would have made him say that he was in favor of homosexual marriage for all fifty states in the primary.

Hell, look at how the DNC was permitted to support candidates like Bob Casey and John Tester, only to have the Caseys and Testers of the world flip their allegiances and vote contrary to their stated "moderate to conservative" positions when that is needed.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at March 29, 2013 08:53 AM (iR2Oi)

15 Hot Air all the time. Fist? Yes, I agree that people at Hot Air enjoy a fist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (6Sldc)

16 But, but purity!!!

Posted by: Super Pure Conservative at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (YXPMp)

17 So is Ace punishing us for the idiots complaining about his earlier NBC post?  Because I might have to kill myself if all we get from now on are Hot Air links.

(Well, at least Waterhouse would approve.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (bcLhD)

18 RE: Puffy

Is there anyway that her condition returns to normal?  Kinda scary to think that talking some meds can permanently change your appearance.

By the way, she was the First Lady in "Olympus has Fallen".

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (UypUQ)

19 But, do I comment here or over there?

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (QM5S2)

20

George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does. He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 01:50 PM (UypUQ)

 

I don't know, but W was so demonized that he may figure that his presence would hurt rather help the GOP.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 08:54 AM (IDSI7)

21 Mc Cain will unite the independents in 2008.

Posted by: rd at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (zLp5I)

22 That was the entire point of the Democrat leadership Council and *should* be the point of the tea party IMHO....

I hate the man, I hate his wife but the DLC is THE tool that got the notion of a Donk Presidency not laughed at God help me.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (LRFds)

23 Bush didn't do the behind the scenes stuff that Clinton does because the media effectively destroyed him. He didn't do it because he wouldn't have helped. With Clinton the media worked overtime to resurrect his career as a powerbroker.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

24 The endless debates in the past election were a classic case-- round after round of fucking each other over until you wound up with one thoroughly fucked-over candidate at the end of it.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (MMC8r)

25
Transcript

http://tinyurl.com/ca96v2h

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (kdS6q)

26 Here's the problem: We don't actually respect/worship/fear our leaders the way Democrats do. First, many of them are (I hate this term) RINOs. Second, the conservative movement will tend to dismiss anyone for even one transgression against conservative orthodoxy. Third, we don't have the Corleonesque power structure the Democrats have. Fourth, we tend to be dismissive even of leaders we like. There is a bit of this. Remember NY-23? It turns out that the party leaders badly misread the tealeaves and badly misread their chosen candidate. But there needs to be some serious pre-primary winnowing. A stark binary choice is useful. A cattle-call primary with a dozen candidates, 3 or more of which are viable, is not.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (T0NGe)

27 Plus there was that whole she is nucking futz thing.  OTOH, the new teenage boy voter might have been swayed by all the nude scenes.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 08:55 AM (kXoT0)

28 2 Serious cat,

Bill Clinton doing it is an error, Bill Clinton's people doing it would not be...

of course add in that I loathe the bush gang finally....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (LRFds)

29 So is Ace punishing us for the idiots complaining about his earlier NBC post?
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 01:54 PM (bcLhD)

Says the Idiot In Chief.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (Kpn/z)

30 I'd like to take this opportunity to note that Ashley    Judd   has something of a puffy face.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (4df7R)

31

By the way, she was the First Lady in "Olympus has Fallen".

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 01:54 PM (UypUQ)

 

Olympus Tripped? That would explain the puffiness.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (IDSI7)

32 The Democrats aren't riven by factions. They have disparate constituencies, such as blacks, feminists, pacifists, unions, luddites, etc.; but they all understand their role is to have a price, to sell their cooperation, and to not object when anybody else gets their payola. To anoint Ashley Judd, instead of some other liberal woman, does nothing to diminish or humiliate any faction of their party. Dismissing her does nothing to "turn a corner" as far as power structure within the party. The GOP encourages a Big Tent of people who want opposite outcomes. Everybody is jostling for their hour of power, when the resources of a national party will be brought to bear for their success and the defeat of their enemies. The selection of Republican candidates determines the Republican agenda, and therefore, allowing the apparatniks to determine the succession is the same thing as allowing them to dismiss certain factions of the Party.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (9AyMV)

33 Indeed.

Posted by: Expert Commentary from Hot Air at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (8FQ6f)

34 Three Cheers for Romneycare!!!

Posted by: Ann Coulter at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (/kBoL)

35 Can you imagine how irritating O is going to be in his retirement? To be fair, I don't think he'll deign to spend any time in the US.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 29, 2013 08:56 AM (T0NGe)

36 First, many of them are (I hate this term) RINOs. Second, the conservative movement will tend to dismiss anyone for even one transgression against conservative orthodoxy. Third, we don't have the Corleonesque power structure the Democrats have. Fourth, we tend to be dismissive even of leaders we like. This all boils down to, "we are suspicious of cults of personality"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 08:57 AM (6Sldc)

37 Still would not have averted Mourdock.  The guy was just clueless and not ready for prime time --although he probably would have won with only the most basic coaching on responding to Planned Parenthood talking points questions about abortion in debates and interviews.  Conservatives (and probably more than a few moderates) were in no mood to stick with Lusar for another six years.

Posted by: logprof at March 29, 2013 08:57 AM (+iA5G)

38 Congressman Todd Akin is a veteran of several campaigns.  He has experience, unlike some of his rivals. 

Posted by: rd at March 29, 2013 08:57 AM (zLp5I)

39 WE NEEDS COMMON-SENSE, UNIVERSAL MANDATORY SODOMY FOR TEH CHILDRENS! IF WE COULD SAVE JUST ONE LIFE!

Posted by: OK, thank you, goodbye, off to visit caligrump at his 5150 resort at March 29, 2013 08:57 AM (he33V)

40 Give me money or the hamsters get it.

Posted by: Kim Jong-un at March 29, 2013 08:57 AM (4cRnj)

41 36 Sean bannion,

which is a feature not a bug...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (LRFds)

42 One word.

Media.

It's why they win.  It's why we lose.

Posted by: Dang at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (R18D0)

43 >>>The endless debates in the past election were a classic case-- round after round of fucking each other over until you wound up with one thoroughly fucked-over candidate at the end of it.

And yet remember how angry the bleating was from the same sorts of Super Conservative Super-Hero online quarters when the GOP dropped its post-election autopsy?  One of the things that got those folks so angry?  The recommendation to cut back on the number of debates.  It's almost as if they though to themselves, "wait, if the ESTABLISHMENT recommends this, it MUST be a bad idea!" 

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (bcLhD)

44
"In addition to being much better at stealing elections, Democrats are much crueler to those who hurt the Democratic Party.

They don’t get book contracts or radio gigs or TV gigs for harming the Democratic Party. Where’s Howard Dean’s TV show? The only place that would employ Dennis Kucinich is Fox News—and that’s after Keebler let him out of his contract."




Best way to become a Fox news contributor?  Back-stab the Republican party.

Just saying.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (kdS6q)

45

Is there anyway that her condition returns to normal? Kinda scary to think that talking some meds can permanently change your appearance.

 

Maybe she was taking the same meds as Kathleen Turner. Back in the day she was hot, but now looks like a middle linebacker.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (IDSI7)

46 41 36 Sean bannion, which is a feature not a bug... Exactly my point.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 08:58 AM (6Sldc)

47

Ann Coulter talked about this at CPAC -- or rather how the GOP isn't dong this. Beginning at 6:54, she discusses not having the Senate do to "narcissism" and "showing off" for other conservatives -- that is, people trying to out-conservative each other until they do such a terrific job of winning that contest that they lose elections.

 

 

----------

 

OK, but here's the difference.

 

Republicans run moderates/liberals in moderate/liberal areas who then go on to govern as liberals.

 

Democrats run moderates in moderate/conservative areas who then go on to govern as liberals.

 

Didn't the health care debate clear this up?  How about Manchin flirting with gun control?  Think he's going to be the lone holdout if it comes down to his vote in the Senate?  The fact is here is no such thing as a Blue Dog conservative Democrat any more.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 29, 2013 08:59 AM (tVWQB)

48 Ann "Three Cheers For Romneycare" Coulter? Ummm ... yeah.

Posted by: Andy at March 29, 2013 08:59 AM (LfecL)

49 If Missouri had the run-off system that we are seeing play out in South Carolina with Sanford, than Akin would not have been the nominee.

I think the GOP should consider election reforms that require a run-off for any candidate that doesn't get at least 40% and 10 points over the runner-up.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 08:59 AM (UypUQ)

50 11 George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does. He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012.
------------

That's because he's doing what ex presidents are supposed to do. Shut up and retire. Thanks to Clinton and Carter, that won't happen anymore.

Can you imagine how irritating O is going to be in his retirement?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at March 29, 2013 01:53 PM (CyP2Z)


--Clinton is why I think the minimum age for President should be raised to 55, if not 60.  Way too much ex-presidentin' going on, and we'll see more after Baraka leaves.

Posted by: logprof at March 29, 2013 08:59 AM (+iA5G)

51 I guess better late than never--but now she gets it.

Posted by: tasker at March 29, 2013 08:59 AM (r2PLg)

52 46 Sean Bannion,

I am never going to enjoy "elect a Me$$iah" because I have one flawed though I am in the following,....

Donks really are playing a different game.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (LRFds)

53 This all boils down to, "we are suspicious of cults of personality"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 01:57 PM (6Sldc)



Obligatory



http://youtu.be/7xxgRUyzgs0

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (da5Wo)

54 13 And of course the constant denigration and sneers at SoCons are reasonable and simply common sense.  
 

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 01:53 PM (Kpn/z)

 

 

As is the sniping and snaking at... and mischaracterisation... of Libertarians...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (lZBBB)

55 Hey ace, the W3C has a html link checker that's free. 

If you give it the URL to your main page it'll tell you which links are dead, redirects, take a login, etc.

It's free!

It even tells you which line in the code you need to change to fix.

It's found here:  http://validator.w3.org/checklink


Posted by: bonhomme at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (lrKmD)

56 Has this site been secretly bought by Clown Hall?  If so, will there be a software upgrade?

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (LCXD1)

57 I can't even hear or process her arguments over the roaring cheers for Romneycare. Sorry.

Posted by: gm at March 29, 2013 09:00 AM (/kBoL)

58 Is there anyway that her condition returns to normal? Kinda scary to think that talking some meds can permanently change your appearance.

And (not to make light of Rape) apparently her rape has made a permanent change in her perceptions of the world. (is her rape, (or two) documented? Not that I doubt her but sometimes people say something and it's not "FACTUAL".)

She should get some professional help. Forget any of her other wild comments and weird musings, if she's become this obsessed (understandably) over what was essentially beyond her control then she needs to seek help for that or she will degenerate into something far, far worse than anything that happened to her so far.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (Kpn/z)

59

George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does. He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012.

 

Well for   one thing,   Presidents traditionally keep a low profile after office.  Speaking engagements here and there, maybe some more activity after they've been out of    office for an extended period of time.   The Clinton famewhoring is a relatively new and unpleasant aspect of the post-Presidency presidency.     See also   Jimmy   "I'm awesome at talking to North Korea" Carter.

 

And secondly, the past two elections ahve been AGAINST BUSH.  It doesn't matter that the candidates weren't    named    George W. Bush.   Obama and his ilk campaigned against Bush in 2008, they campaigned againsthim in 2012, and they'll keep campaigning against him until they find another villain who's more effective.    If Dubya had been out there    fundraising   or  speaking at conventions and     gatherings,     it would have been in EVERY Dim-o-rat campaign ad.  "Don't let the Bush Agenda back into Washington!   Vote Obama/McCaskill/Rangel/blah, blah, blah in 2012!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (4df7R)

60 "Counseling".

With Clinton, that phrase implies penile activity.

Posted by: Sgt Hulka at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (WcNbE)

61 One of the things that got those folks so angry? The recommendation to cut back on the number of debates. It did? I thought we were yelling that the whole time.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (MMC8r)

62 Judd isn't bad in that new movie Olympus Has Fallen where she dies in the first 5 minutes. Showed a lot of range. She both smiled and screamed. Sadly I think the extra weight from her puffy face is what caused the accident.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (ZPrif)

63 Frankly, from a woman's point of view on Democratic womyn, even puffy faced and crazy eyed, Ashley is simply still too pretty and quasi-glamorous to be allowed a Senate seat.  Female Democratic Senators are supposed to look like Ted Kennedy or Leahy in drag, so that all those ugly, angry, yet smart Democratic women that toil away behind the scenes, write the checks, and get the apparatus working don't look around and say, "Hey, what's the deal?  How come she got to go the the head of the line. Hillary yes, she is one of us, but, Ashley, oh, hell, no!  She ain't paid no dues."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:01 AM (kXoT0)

64 Media. It's why they win. It's why we lose. This. Todd Akin puts his foot in his mouth it's wall-to-wall coverage. Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie Waserman-Schultz, Chuck Shumer do it,.... Crickets.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:02 AM (6Sldc)

65 Ashley Judd = FUPA face.

Posted by: johnd01 at March 29, 2013 09:03 AM (ukNFU)

66 Carly Fiorino is a business executive for a major corporation, and with her experience, will run a top flight campaign.

Posted by: rd at March 29, 2013 09:03 AM (zLp5I)

67 64 Sean Bannion,

Hell Slo Joe admitting "yes AWB is just step 1"...


should be BOOM! Instead "just crazy uncle Joe" you know the back up QB for Team Nucular

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:03 AM (LRFds)

68 OK, but here's the difference.

Republicans run moderates/liberals in moderate/liberal areas who then go on to govern as liberals.

Democrats run moderates in moderate/conservative areas who then go on to govern as liberals.
Posted by: @JohnTant

This.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 29, 2013 09:03 AM (4cRnj)

69
OH Lord. Hot Air all the time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 01:50 PM (Kpn/z)








You haven't been here too long, have you?



Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2013 09:04 AM (TIIx5)

70 57 I can't even hear or process her arguments over the roaring cheers for Romneycare. Sorry.
Posted by: gm at March 29, 2013 02:00 PM (/kBoL)


Yes because any single deviation from conservative orthodoxy is enough to be cast out from the movement forever.

Reason #11 why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Mtenloch at March 29, 2013 09:04 AM (pAlYe)

71

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 02:01 PM (kXoT0)

 

 

Good point. That would explain Milkuski and other Jabba the Hutt look-alikes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:04 AM (IDSI7)

72 At Hot Air, of course. hehe games and bait psychological trixies & hoopsters good times

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:04 AM (XYSwB)

73
"Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border."




Oh, the 'ol Blacks are more American than most Whites canard. Delightful/



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (kdS6q)

74 Why you in DC? I live here and I wouldn't even visit here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (6Sldc)

75
OK, but here's the difference.

Republicans run moderates/liberals in moderate/liberal areas who then go on to govern as liberals.

Democrats run moderates in moderate/conservative areas who then go on to govern as liberals.

Didn't the health care debate clear this up? How about Manchin flirting with gun control? Think he's going to be the lone holdout if it comes down to his vote in the Senate? The fact is here is no such thing as a Blue Dog conservative Democrat any more.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 29, 2013 01:59 PM (tVWQB)


--Exactly.  When will the GOP go ALinsky and just fucking *lie* when running in purple/blue areas?  Hell, if it offends their consciences, just call it "evolving," not lying.

Posted by: logprof at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (+iA5G)

76 >> You haven't been here too long, have you? Really. I mean, we used to call this place Hot Air North, FFS.

Posted by: Andy at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (HDmks)

77 RE: ex-president O.

You what's obscene, is that the guy and his wife are likely to become billionaires, or nearly so, from all the speaking fees he's sure to amass.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (UypUQ)

78 This. Todd Akin puts his foot in his mouth it's wall-to-wall coverage. And the media will keep asking questions on certain subjects until they get what they want. They will target R liabilities and protect D liabilities.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (MMC8r)

79

Owwww. Why does my butt hurt? Did I get audited by the IRS?

(scooches off to find some harbor seals and whiskey)

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 09:05 AM (uhftQ)

80 I was just reading about this over at http://freebeacon.com/. It's their headliner.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (XYSwB)

81 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border." From what fetid swamp did this revisionism spring?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (6Sldc)

82 We're soooo screwed...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (9+ccr)

83 Reason #11 why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 29, 2013 02:04 PM (pAlYe)



I thought Reason #11 was cause we're white?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (da5Wo)

84 I think the GOP should consider election reforms that require a run-off for any candidate that doesn't get at least 40% and 10 points over the runner-up.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 01:59 PM (UypUQ)



Except that is controlled by the State Legislature.  The GOP here has sued to have the primaries changed and the State Supreme court has shot them down every time. I don't now why they don't actually vote to change it because the control the legislature here.



And the primary rules here call for a run-off if no candidate gets more than 50%.

Posted by: Vic at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (53z96)

85 George W. Bush won't do the kind of behind the scenes work for the GOP that Clinton does. He didn't even help fund-raise for 2012.

--

Typically, seems to me that the only mugs that don't know when to go away and/or STFU are the ex-Dem presidents.  Carter, Clinton, and one can only imagine Barry's kisser in everything imaginable after he leaves America a burned-out cinder. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (ATdet)

86 The Lundergan family business catered Chelsea Clinton’s wedding freebeacon

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (XYSwB)

87 Why you in DC? I live here and I wouldn't even visit here. The Air and Space Museum is glorious. If they could airlift it out of DC I'd never go there again.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 29, 2013 09:06 AM (B/VB5)

88 Listen to Ann. She knows what she's talking about.

Posted by: Chris Christie at March 29, 2013 09:07 AM (Cs2tJ)

89 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border." 

 

So apparently this individual believes that the majority of European    immigration to America happened in the period following the abolition of slavery?  Is that    what i'm supposed to be gleaning from this?     And those hundreds of years of prior colonization are just sort of bupkiss?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R)

90 The Air and Space Museum is glorious. If they could airlift it out of DC I'd never go there again Did you make it to the annex out by Dulles? Good stuff there too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:08 AM (6Sldc)

91 New post up!
at hot air........
Can we get a link?

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (QM5S2)

92 Good point. That would explain Milkuski and other Jabba the Hutt look-alikes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 02:04 PM (IDSI7)


Just my observation, there are very few attractive Dim womyn in actual political office.  Rush has made this point for years, Dim politics is an easy avenue for ugly, fat, angry, yet, smart women to access power, privilege, and money.  Hell, even the stupid ones manage if Daddy left them enough money.  Elizabeth Edwards came the closest to being personally attractive, but, she hid her talent and brains behind her husband's pretty face and facile Southern charm.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (kXoT0)

93
@82 From the transcript of Ann's speech.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (kdS6q)

94 91 Sean bannion,

Escape run while you can...go to the USAF Museum in Dayton Ohio....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (LRFds)

95 We need a charismatic leader so that the GOP can become a personality cult like the Obama Dems. That's how to win elections! How about Rob Portman

Posted by: sb at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (rfbdX)

96 We're going to miss kicking Puffy Judd.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (q5XUG)

97

I long ago quit listening to Ann Coulter....you might want to pick another person to make yur point, Ace.

 

A LOT of us have put her in the rearview mirror.

Posted by: FITP at March 29, 2013 09:09 AM (JvZmY)

98 Antibiotics and cancer drugs can make you fat or have excess adipose tissue.

I believe that because I first started gaining weight after a long stint on antibiotics because of a tooth.

There are studies now that seem to show that there are actually weight gaining bacteria and weight not gaining bacteria and that they can be passed to a skinny test mouse and that mouse starts gaining weight.

Now they're trying to test to find out what bacteria are which and how to cause them to gain ascendancy in the gut.

See, I KNEW that sitting around all day and eating pints of Haagen Daz and Cheetos wasn't the reason I'm fat!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 09:10 AM (Kpn/z)

99 Judd has merely deferred her senatorial race to further concentrate on her work on behalf of Puffy Face Americans.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 29, 2013 09:10 AM (2HHOI)

100

So, what about all the moderate losers from the last election who were "pragmatists" and "popular", like Tommy Thompson (or Mitt Romney, for that matter)?  How did they lose?

Posted by: ejo at March 29, 2013 09:10 AM (GXvSO)

101 30 I'd like to take this opportunity to note that Ashley Judd has something of a puffy face.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 01:56 PM (4df7R)



Don't be so judgemental....



/s

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 29, 2013 09:10 AM (X6akg)

102 Escape run while you can...go to the USAF Museum in Dayton Ohio.... THIS is how much I hate DC.... I'm trying to get transferred to our Sacramento office.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:11 AM (6Sldc)

103
"Well, I’d like to give you some rules for choosing out next Presidential nominee. I don’t have a candidate yet but I do have some rules certainly for who shouldn’t be running.

I’ve made this mistake, so I’m not blaming any of you. Among the candidates I’ve supported have included Pete Dupont, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Duncan Hunter."




Oof. Well, at least Pat Buchanan knew how to time his meds.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 29, 2013 09:11 AM (kdS6q)

104 BTW, we can't have nice things because we are morons, it is axiomatic.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:11 AM (kXoT0)

105 Nice things are for pussies.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 29, 2013 09:12 AM (4cRnj)

106 Thanks to whoever dragged me away from the barrell in my moment of weakness. Oh, and whoever jabbed me with that huge syringe, please report to my mouth.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 09:12 AM (uhftQ)

107 THIS is how much I hate DC....

I'm trying to get transferred to our Sacramento office.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 02:11 PM (6Sldc)


Whoa, prayers for you...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:12 AM (kXoT0)

108 A LOT of us have put her in the rearview mirror.
Posted by: FITP at March 29, 2013 02:09 PM (JvZmY)

OH NO.

I keep here foursquare in my front view at all times. I try to run her over every chance I get.

Rooting for Christie, campaigning for Romney and then now after the debacle, she wants to go back to the conservative voice/humorist she cultivated for so many years but cast off in '12?

Sorry. NO.

She's a step or two above David Brooks but those are tiny steps.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 29, 2013 09:12 AM (Kpn/z)

109 If Republican candidates with different routes to their candidacies lost at different rates, this might be a thing. But they don't. They just mostly lose. Only the "self-financing" have no shot (and no trouble getting the Party's backrooms excited about them).

You can, of course, contend that a subset of Super-Losers make all the other otherwise-Winners into Losers (except for the ones who don't lose). There may be no basis on which to choose the blameworthy subset whose Loserdom infect them all (except for the ones it doesn't), but hey--fuck it.

There's somebody you hate, right? It's them who did it.

Posted by: oblig. at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (cePv8)

110 Why you in DC? I live here and I wouldn't even visit here. I do work out here on a contract basis. Pay is good, but the city sucks. On the plus side, I get to climb all over the tops of interesting buildings, and structures.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (eyJh9)

111 103 Sean bannion,

if one must live in mexopolis del Nor Sacramento ain't the worst....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (LRFds)

112 They stand behind life long frauds like Liz Warren, re her pretend ethnicity, and the validity of their research, and Blumental, who pretended to be a Marine for forty years, you have to be Alvin Greene, to be 'starved; out of a chance of winning, next question,

Posted by: luigi vercotti at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (Jsiw/)

113 The Air and Space Museum annex is where I saw the miniature Death Star from Star Wars, I think. My b-i-l is an ATC,, we brought his kids for their birthday or something. Very cool planes, space vehicles, but the Death Star model was the standout. You could see little things like Monopoly pieces on the surface, hidden in the masses of other features.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (ZshNr)

114 And Jim Webb was another "blue dog" who was going to kick ass as a Democrat because, by god, he was a warrior and fighter.  He turned out to be a big pussy who voted like Diane Feinstein.

Posted by: ejo at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (GXvSO)

115

THIS is how much I hate DC....



I'm trying to get transferred to our Sacramento office.

 

NO.

 

Bannion, DON'T DO IT. 

 

There are brighter skies than this!

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 09:13 AM (4df7R)

116 Bill Clinton is pure malevolence. He is the architect for the decline of this nation--I pray that when he dies, he is broken, sick, disfigured, and shunned, his (legitimate) line dying with him.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 29, 2013 09:14 AM (Ec6wH)

117 I may be blind but I am just not seeing the Republicans as too conservative to succeed. The problem is, as we have endlessly noted, the MFM. Until we can destroy them, they will continue to destroy us, or until The Fire comes. Either or.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at March 29, 2013 09:14 AM (QupBk)

118
The Clinton famewhoring is a relatively new and unpleasant aspect of the post-Presidency presidency. See also Jimmy "I'm awesome at talking to North Korea" Carter.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 02:01 PM (4df7R)







Funny thing is, Carter's "diplomacy" with the Norks in the 90s fucked over Clinton's harder line by negotiating a roll-over without getting permission from the Administration. Then he presented it publicly and Clinton didn't have the stones to disown Jimmah, so he had to go along.

Bubba was absolutely LIVID about it for years.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2013 09:14 AM (TIIx5)

119

Ann and Ace are right, but who is supposed to do that? The Dems trust Clinton to a certain degree, but I cant name a single senior politician who has enough credibility with Republicans to change minds on a controversial issue. If you send some clown from the RNC you ll only grand people like Sanford anti-establishment credibility.

Posted by: elize nayden at March 29, 2013 09:15 AM (e/IB3)

120 115 Ejo,

Jim "dumb fuck" Webb is the one former Senator I don't ever need to be near because I will start mocking him as loud as possible as a Pelosi c**t licking sellout asshole.....

he ran as a demcorat 'sven could vote for" and never one time said 'fuck you I am with them harry"...

dumbass

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:15 AM (LRFds)

121 if one must live in mexopolis del Nor Sacramento ain't the worst.... Placer And El Dorado Counties are at least Republican. That's where I'd live.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:15 AM (6Sldc)

122 THIS is how much I hate DC.... I'm trying to get transferred to our Sacramento office. Wow! And I haven't made it out by Dulles yet. I hope to, it's just a matter of picking your fights with 495 carefully.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 29, 2013 09:15 AM (B/VB5)

123 Olympus has fallen and it can't get up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 29, 2013 09:15 AM (0dZJc)

124

109 I keep here foursquare in my front view at all times. I try to run her over every chance I get.

 

I feel ya, Clinger.  I was just trying to play nice to keep peace in the family.....sort of like I will this weekend at the Easter festivities. 

Posted by: FITP at March 29, 2013 09:17 AM (JvZmY)

125 If Judd had run the left would have formed a phalalanx around her,not a circular firing squad.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 09:17 AM (dBYCN)

126 ::: 115 And Jim Webb was another "blue dog" who was going to kick ass as a Democrat because, by god, he was a warrior and fighter. He turned out to be a big pussy who voted like Diane Feinstein. ::: That guy campaigned for his Senate seat wearing the boots of his fallen son. Sigh.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 09:17 AM (csi6Y)

127 Do NOT come to California. Don't do it.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 29, 2013 09:17 AM (9AyMV)

128 Bannion, DON'T DO IT. There are brighter skies than this! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at March 29, 2013 02:13 PM (4df7R) Frankly, I don't see it coming any time soon. The hell with it. Besides, it's not like I haven't lived in socialist hellholes before. I'm from Massachusetts.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:17 AM (6Sldc)

129 117 Bill Clinton is pure malevolence. He is the architect for the decline of this nation--I pray that when he dies, he is broken, sick, disfigured, and shunned, his (legitimate) line dying with him. Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 29, 2013 02:14 PM (Ec6wH) I believe it was Rambo or Eric Cartman who said "the only justice in this world is the justice you make." Keep that in mind when Clinton dies with more than 150 million and more babes than he can handle.

Posted by: AD at March 29, 2013 09:18 AM (o4EJW)

130

Judd has merely deferred her senatorial race to further concentrate on her work on behalf of Puffy Face Americans.

 

----

 

They prefer to be called Puffo-Americans.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:18 AM (IDSI7)

131 126 steevy,

Yup but Steevy and you know I'm conflicted on this....the lack of "cover' means we don't get a cult of barry on the right too often

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:18 AM (LRFds)

132 90 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border."


Wow.... so all Blacks need to be treated as here a long time, because a few were here early... even those not related to the early blacks... like... Obama...     And we must ignore the fact that I can trace my direct ancestry back Virginia in 1669?   /facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 09:18 AM (lZBBB)

133

So Biden's admitted that the Dims have bigger plans than just an Assault Weapons Ban when it comes to gun control.   This guy is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't he?

 

Next on the docket, Joe Biden admits that    Fast and Furious was just the first step in the administration's plan to kill brown people by the score.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)

134 They prefer to be called Puffo-Americans. Puffrican-Americans.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (MMC8r)

135 ..... — showed that Judd would have had to attempt a hostile takeover of the party… I can't believe I just read that. None of this is real.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (fsLdt)

136 And we must ignore the fact that I can trace my direct ancestry back Virginia in 1669?

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 02:18 PM (lZBBB)

Yes, next question...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (kXoT0)

137 I believe it was Rambo or Eric Cartman who said....


Screw you guys, I'm coming to get you Murdock?!?!

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (GQ8sn)

138 And I haven't made it out by Dulles yet. I hope to, it's just a matter of picking your fights with 495 carefully. If I'm not too hung over, and/or still drunk tomorrow, I might head out there to check it out. Assuming it's open.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (eyJh9)

139

"Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, ..."

 

 

Ah, so they are partly to blame for America's imperialism!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (IDSI7)

140 And I haven't made it out by Dulles yet. I hope to, it's just a matter of picking your fights with 495 carefully. Posted by: Ian S. at March 29, 2013 02:15 PM (B/VB5) It's awesome. Although you have to pay 12 bucks (I think) to park there, but it's still totally worth it.

Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (659DL)

141 This all boils down to, "we are suspicious of cults of personality" Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 01:57 PM (6Sldc) Not sure I would have it any other way. But we do need to be a little less idealistic (not less principled) and less dramatic - OMG, my former hero, who became my hero because he said just one thing I liked, did 0.5 of a thing that I don't agree with. He's dead to meeee!!!! I also think a huge thing though is that the GOP leadership needs not to be such freaking cowards. I think that may be one of the most major issues.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:19 AM (6zgse)

142

If there's one thing Clinton knows, it's behind-closed-doors counseling...

 

/obligatory

Posted by: brak at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (iEoiA)

143 They prefer to be called Puffo-Americans.

Differently Inflated Americans

I think Dario found out, it really is Puff Adder, with a big old side order of frickin crazy.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (kXoT0)

144 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border." The immigrants who came here after the end of slavery didn't feel that 'they were owed something,' which is why today their great-grandkids are better off than blacks. Where exactly is this from???

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (MMC8r)

145 133 Romeo13,

No silly.....

we're to blame for all the bad shit....

my family was invited to leave England post resumption...I'm pretty sure that Imperialism, and bed bugs are our fault still...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)

146 And we must ignore the fact that I can trace my direct ancestry back Virginia in 1669?

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 02:18 PM (lZBBB)


1661 to Maryland on my mothers side.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (UypUQ)

147 >>> OK, but here's the difference. Republicans run moderates/liberals in moderate/liberal areas who then go on to govern as liberals. Democrats run moderates in moderate/conservative areas who then go on to govern as liberals. ... true-ish, sort of. DC culture, the permanent government bureucracy, and the Democratic annex of the media make the more left-leaning policy the path of least resistance for everyone. That said, we've had a multiyear experiment with the assertion that "Conservatism of the reddest hue works every time it's tried." My interest in the subject is not in pointing figures -- it's just in making sure we are actually looking at the data in this multiyear experiment and not continuing to Forcefully Say Things which Just Aren't True. The fact is, the rape exception exists partly out of logic but mostly out of political reality -- the public will simply not have it. If we blind yourself to that fact, we will continue losing elections. Todd Akin did not lose because he was pro-life. Missouri usually elects pro-lifers. He lost because he just decided that Those Damned Pointy-Head Pollsters Didn't Know Anything. He lost because he presented a politically unpalatable version of the pro-life cause-- rather than the palatable one. (By the way, anyone who wants to weigh in and say "no exceptions" is "just logical" -- I'm really tired of hearing this. It is only "logical" because you've erased any kind of competing considerations.) there is an anti-small-c conservative streak in conservatism afoot right now. It's a radical streak. By which I mean "radical breaks" for past practice. I'm speaking of Chesterton's Parable of the Fence. Look it up if you're unfamiliar. The point is, many things exist for good reasons -- like the exception for rape. If you go tearing things down, willy-nilly, without asking "why does this exist in the first place? why did people first do this?" you're making the mistake of the radical, who assumes that anything that already exists must be torn down and New Things done. But the small-c conservative temperament cautions against that radical, the-past-can-teach-me-nothing attitude. It is true that the establishment sucks and is more liberal than you'd like. It's also true that they sometimes lie to you about what is politically possible, just because they don't prefer it themselves. (or perhaps they mislead themsleves, first.) That said, Chesterton's fence existed for the reason. Find out the reason for it before tearing it down. As Todd Akin proved, the rape exception existed for a reason. As in Chesterton's parable, lunatics had not erected it in the middle of the road for no reason. There was in fact a reason for it. And when it came down, debacle ensued. The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics. I think the past can teach you a lot. And I think you need to know why that fence was built before you tear it down.

Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (LCRYB)

148 Judd's main problem is she has serious mental health problems. Dems couldn't trust her not to go nutballs at some point during a long campaign -- especially as the pressure mounted or if she was losing. She's a barely functional child actor fame-whore from a fucked up celebrity family. She happened to be uber-hot when she was 20 -- and before her psych issues became hard-core -- and became famous. She's always a day or two of skipping her meds from doing or saying something truly nutbar. I wish she'd been the candidate.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (ZPrif)

149

..... — showed that Judd would have had to attempt a hostile takeover of the party…

 

I'm sorry, am I the only one who read that as "...showed that Judd would have had to attempt a hostile takeover of the pastry..."?

 

Puffy   face Judd.

 

PUFF pastry.

 

You see how these things happen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at March 29, 2013 09:21 AM (4df7R)

150 Cherokees on my Mother's side, so we were here pre-y'all.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:22 AM (kXoT0)

151 Head Ewok wanders out into the snow. He forgets his suede knee high boots. *Ewok sets HotAir trap Ewok wanders down the road, toward the pub. *Ewok sets AnnCoulter trap Ewok sips beer and laughs at what transpires. Scribbling down notes, occasionally, for his upcoming book on "The Psychology of Commenters."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:22 AM (XYSwB)

152 Until the dwindling still-rational segment of the American public completely severs its codependent relationship on the abusive MSM, nothing will change.

Hey, you guys going to watch Kansas-Michigan tonight?


Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 09:22 AM (NaNKB)

153 Is this another "we need to retreat, call for a cease-fire on whatever social issue of the day the media is bashing conservatives over?"

Yes, yes it is.

That's all she is really saying.

No? Ok. Then what is she saying? Because I know damned good and well when the media labels someone or something "far right" (or as here "showing off" for other conservatives") 90% of the time they're about to launch into an attack on social conservatives.

'Cause there sure as fuck ain't no conservatives out there saying, "I'll take your 10% budget cut and raise you a 30% budget cut!!!"

If giving up on social issues such a cracker-jack, Jim Dandy, sure-fire winner of a strategy, go ahead and name a social issue the left has retreated or called for a cease-fire on?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2013 09:23 AM (VjL9S)

154 Pizza's here!! Delicious Famous Luigis. Yummmmmy!!

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 09:23 AM (fWAjv)

155

]i\If there's one thing Clinton knows, it's behind-closed-doors counseling...

 

Not to mention behind-closed-doors polling.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:24 AM (IDSI7)

156 144 They prefer to be called Puffo-Americans.  


Differently Inflated Americans  

I think Dario found out, it really is Puff Adder, with a big old side order of frickin crazy.  

 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (kXoT0)

 

 

We at the Dept. of Justice, as we enforce the Americans with Disability Act, prefer the tyerm Pressure Differentialy Challenged, and are now in the process of creating rules whereby Hotels must have Pressure Chambers available in some rooms.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 09:24 AM (lZBBB)

157 Pizza is for closers.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:24 AM (fsLdt)

158 I wish she'd been the candidate.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (ZPrif)

I do too, but, the Dims would've pruned somehow.  You are only allowed to be full on crazy or a wet-brain drunk like Teddy K after you get through a couple of successful elections.  Heck, they have even pruned back J Cubed when he got to be too crazy and too crooked.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (kXoT0)

159 There is a happy medium between RINO big government jagoffs and crank rape theorists. This is not an impossibly fine distinction.

Posted by: Beagle at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (sOtz/)

160 I'm speaking of Chesterton's Parable of the Fence.

Damn, Ace.  You ain't really that smart, are you?

Or Maybe He Is (cue eerie, theramin-derived music)

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (NaNKB)

161 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border." ----- Assuming "we" owe anyone anything. I know I don't owe anyone a god damn cent. As a matter of fact I figure I'm owed 5 bucks from someone for even having to say no.

Posted by: Whatev at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (A7Wh1)

162


We at the Dept. of Justice, as we enforce the Americans with Disability Act, prefer the tyerm Pressure Differentialy Challenged, and are now in the process of creating rules whereby Hotels must have Pressure Chambers available in some rooms.

 

"Osmotically challenged?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (IDSI7)

163 Posted by: RoyalOil at March 29, 2013 02:23 PM (VjL9S) If you feel that defending good old COD or Akin was a bad move, then you don't have to be defensive about this post.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 09:25 AM (csi6Y)

164

Sorry Ace, but I don't really buy it.

 

I don't think that "cultivate credible Senate candidates instead of loonies" is equivalent to "run the Left-most Republican in a race since they're the establishment choice."

 

And while you may not think of it quite in those terms, be sure that the GOP insiders and establishment types do.  To them, credible, mainstream conservatives ARE loonies.  The only "credible" candidate - to them - is the Charlie Crist/Lisa Murkowski/Dick Lugar type.

 

Besides, let's never forget that neither Todd Akin nor Richard Mourdock were out-of-the-blue Tea Party insurgents doing a "hostile takeover" of the Party.  Akin was a multi-term congressman who wasn't even the Tea Party choice, and Mourdock was Indiana's state Treasurer - meaning he had previously won statewide elective office, and could be considered "establishment" by some definitions of that term.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 29, 2013 09:26 AM (YYJjz)

165 Pizza's here!! Delicious Famous Luigis. Yummmmmy!! The microwave just dinged! My previously frozen, still cold in the middle, scorching hot around the edges soggy cheeseburger is ready!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 29, 2013 09:26 AM (eyJh9)

166 And we must ignore the fact that I can trace my direct ancestry back Virginia in 1669?

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13

***

 

Imperialist oppressor! /

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 29, 2013 09:26 AM (uhftQ)

167 :::82 "Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border." From what fetid swamp did this revisionism spring?::: Not sure what's objectionable about this, aside from the owing thing. I believe most AA's ancestors were brought here during the slave trade and so would go back further than a whole lot of whites whose parents came in the 20th century. But the thing about owing is silly, unless she's trying to make a point against pandering to Hispanics. That is, if anyone is owed anything, blacks should be higher up in the hierarchy than Hispanics. But I hate all forms of tribalism anyway. How about we just become a country of laws?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:26 AM (6zgse)

168 Looking around here and seeing the first signs of spring fever.  It is sunny, calm and 48F.  People are out without coats, jogging in shorts and T Shirts, and doing that thing with their faces where they draw back their lips and show their teeth.    I think it was called smiling.

We still have as shitload of snow on the ground but it does feel springy today.  Maple sap is coming out of the trees like a fire hose.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 29, 2013 09:26 AM (KjlbF)

169 Bill Clinton, was the test case, for overweaning narcissism, masking left designs, Obama 1.0. remember he was pushing gays in the military, had to settle for DADT, he signed CRA and Motor Voter, slashed defense, tried to install HillaryCare,

Posted by: luigi vercotti at March 29, 2013 09:27 AM (Jsiw/)

170 Actually, the Left mostly caved on gun issues for the past 20 years until Newtown. We've had a lot of success on gun rights in recent decades. A lot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:27 AM (ZPrif)

171 Indeed......a Tale of Two Lunches.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:27 AM (fsLdt)

172

"Blacks have been in this country longer, their roots in America go back longer than most whites, I think we owe them something more that someone who has just run across the border."

 

 

So we owe them for slavery ... OK. They owe us for a shitload of crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacy, illiteracy, welfare, and room and board in prison, fucking up our cities and our educational performance.

 

So, net-net, we owe them about ... lessee ... about $5. Here ya go. Don't spend it all in one place.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 09:27 AM (IDSI7)

173 Not sure what's objectionable about this, aside from the owing thing. I believe most AA's ancestors were brought here during the slave trade and so would go back further than a whole lot of whites whose parents came in the 20th century. I misread the original quote. You're spot on.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:28 AM (6Sldc)

174 This blog shouldn't be all Hot Air, all the time.

Ace is supposed to throw in a Twitchy thread or two.

Posted by: logprof at March 29, 2013 09:28 AM (+iA5G)

175
All Puffed Up and No Place to Go.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (IY7Ir)

176 It's a radical streak. By which I mean "radical breaks" for past practice. I'm speaking of Chesterton's Parable of the Fence. Look it up if you're unfamiliar. The point is, many things exist for good reasons -- like the exception for rape. If you go tearing things down, willy-nilly, without asking "why does this exist in the first place? why did people first do this?" you're making the mistake of the radical, who assumes that anything that already exists must be torn down and New Things done. __________________ Sounds like--the Sacred Cow "paradox" in cultural anthropology. IIRC

Posted by: tasker at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (r2PLg)

177 According to congress whatver race you say you are, is the race you are. I don't recall the legal term. Self identified or something. So I want to be an ancestor, no I AM a mexican ancestor of black slaves. After being refused a farm loan in the 80's. Well not refused per se, but had I applied I would have been refused. I'm going to need about 40K. Where do I apply.

Posted by: Whatev at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (A7Wh1)

178 If we owe blacks anything then, it's to treat them as fellow citizens and part of our 'folk' and not to treat them like children in need of constant supervision.

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (El+h4)

179 Well yeah, I think a lot of this is that we don't really trust other Republicans very much.  Republicans HAVE to prove their bona-fides in the primary to the voters because just having the R label behind one's name is not enough.

The implication behind the whole Grimes vs. Judd thing in Kentucky is that one D is interchangeable with another D should either one win, and therefore they are going with the one that has the better chance of winning.  We don't fundamentally believe that about R's.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (RhOOg)

180 A higher % of blacks do have a longer family history in America than whites. Nearly are slaves were brought here before Independence. And African immigration didn't exist until after the 1960s immigration overhaul. These are just facts. Doesn't make them *more* American than a white who's family came over in 1920. Just gives them longer family history in America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:29 AM (ZPrif)

181 ::: Ace is supposed to throw in a Twitchy thread or two. ::: Yess, Twitchy, the only red meat I can stand.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 09:30 AM (csi6Y)

182

@ 173 - "crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacy, illiteracy, welfare, and room and board in prison, fucking up our cities and our educational performance."

 

 

Well, the Democrats actually owe blacks for those, since Democrat policies are what trapped so many blacks into those things in the first place.

 

But like Lyndon Johnson said, "I'll have these n*****s voting Democratic for 200 years."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 29, 2013 09:30 AM (YYJjz)

183 The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics.

I think the past can teach you a lot. And I think you need to know why that fence was built before you tear it down.

Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB)



___________


YES!!


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 29, 2013 09:30 AM (Z4CVo)

184 The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics. Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB) I'm not being facetious here, but I can't think of a recent case of this. I do remember it happening with Rove, etc, in the beginning, years ago.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:30 AM (XYSwB)

185 171 Actually, the Left mostly caved on gun issues for the past 20 years until Newtown.
We've had a lot of success on gun rights in recent decades. A lot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 02:27 PM (ZPrif)


True. And even on abortion there has been some incremental successes in the last few decades.

But then we can't even appreciate the good things we do have. :-(

Posted by: Mtenloch at March 29, 2013 09:31 AM (pAlYe)

186 HotAir, Twitchy -- as long as everything is Malkin-related, that's the key. Malkin is under-rated as a media business mind. She started two of the top right-wing sites. And her own site pulls good #s, too.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:32 AM (ZPrif)

187 OT
More lefties showing their hypocrisy.

<<The latest thing causing a leftist tizzy? Juicy Couture is joining the ranks of businesses that are forced to cut workers’ hours in order to try to mitigate the devastating cost of Obamacare.>>

http://tinyurl.com/bwberwo

Link to twitchy

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 29, 2013 09:32 AM (wrS2o)

188 184 Mr. MO Mo, Uh that applies to things like marriage too sport.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 29, 2013 09:33 AM (LRFds)

189 42 One word.

Media.

It's why they win. It's why we lose.

Posted by: Dang at March 29, 2013 01:58 PM (R18D0)


And with the coveted viewership and advertisers targeting young adults, that is reason enough to throw out and ignore the GOP elites.  They are wrong about every aspect on campaigns and relating to people.

If a GOP candidate attracted young voters, that would be the only chance to get better media treatment from the commie media networks. 

Posted by: Deli LLama at March 29, 2013 09:33 AM (lGu1O)

190 @ 183 you miss spelled igger

Posted by: clemenza at March 29, 2013 09:33 AM (HMQ8k)

191 The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics.

I think the past can teach you a lot. And I think you need to know why that fence was built before you tear it down.








Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

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If you base  much of your  opinion of the Tea Party on it's failures then I can see why you have that attitude.  But the Tea Party has had some  outstanding successes too.

 

No one has claimed that  re-taking DC was going to be easy  or quick.  We also have to take into consideration that conservatives/Tea Partiers are working against two foes.  Leftist democrats and leftist republicans.

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 09:34 AM (AynJL)

192 If the ancestors of slave owners owe the ancestors of slaves reparations, and todays blacks can be shown to be related to the great great slaveowner, does the black person today owe himself reparations?

Posted by: Whatev at March 29, 2013 09:34 AM (A7Wh1)

193 I just had a black guy go get me my pizza. Truly a 1 percenter. (granted, I bought him one as well.)

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 09:34 AM (fWAjv)

194 No need for that.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:34 AM (fsLdt)

195 189 184 Mr. MO Mo,

Uh that applies to things like marriage too sport.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 29, 2013 02:33 PM (LRFds)


_______


I think you have a point in there somewhere. Try a little harder.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 29, 2013 09:34 AM (Z4CVo)

196

Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB)

 

No.... the problem lies in that we have created a Body whose sole function, is to built new fences.  It may be a big expensive fence (Democrat), or a less expensive Fence (Republican).... but they are still building fences (writing Laws).

 

ANY Law, limits freedom, by its very nature of being a Law... which is not to say there are not necessary Laws... but we have reached a point where they are just piling on new crap, to justify their existance.... where there is a Law about EVERYTHING (even the air we breathe, food we eat, who we have to do business with... ).

 

So to continue Chesterson's Parable.... our problem is that no one is tearing down any fences.... they are just building new ones....

 

And thinking on it.... that is the one of the points of contention between the Libertarians, and Social Cons.... Libertarians want to tear down fences... Social Cons want to build Old style fences...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (lZBBB)

197 I ask because I know the slave owners were diddling the help quite often.

Posted by: Whatev at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (A7Wh1)

198 As Todd Akin proved, the rape exception existed for a reason. [...] The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics. Ace, I've corrected you for this before, but Akin is not Tea Party. He ran in the primary against an explicit Tea Party candidate and a Club for Growth candidate, either of whom would have been more than acceptable (and beaten McCaskill).

Posted by: Ian S. at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (B/VB5)

199 The left is always pushing forward, the Dems lost National Health Care in '49, came back with Medicare in '65, lost Hillary care in '94. came back with Obama, lost on DADT, in 93, came back in '09, the right is apologetic and downright ashamed about what little we do hold.

Posted by: luigi vercotti at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (Jsiw/)

200 Let's start at the beginning of civilization, unearth every group greivance and start reparations for them. Lovely prospect, no? Or perhaps we can just start treating people like they are capable humans?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (6zgse)

201 Not sure what's objectionable about this, aside from the owing thing. I believe most AA's ancestors were brought here during the slave trade and so would go back further than a whole lot of whites whose parents came in the 20th century. It really comes down to the 'owing.' The Italians and the Irish worked their asses off, and were passionately hated as well. They've had nothing like the compensatory treatment that we've been giving out for the last 50 years, and yet, they've been more successful than the black segment-- and I would say it's because of that compensatory treatment.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:35 AM (MMC8r)

202

@196 - "I think you have a point in there somewhere. Try a little harder."

 

 

Hmm.  I saw his point pretty easily and right away.

 

Guess I'm just smarter than you.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 29, 2013 09:36 AM (YYJjz)

203
The problem I have with the republicans is that they didn't remember that the tea party got them the house majority.

After that, the repubs said "we'll take it from here" and did the exact opposite of what their supporters wanted.  Mainly because the establishment is not small govt conservatives.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 29, 2013 09:36 AM (IY7Ir)

204 So to continue Chesterson's Parable.... our problem is that no one is tearing down any fences.... they are just building new ones.... nice

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:37 AM (fsLdt)

205 202 zsasz, When are the Dagos gonna pay for dragging my people from the caves? I should be painted blue goddamnit!

Posted by: sven10077 at March 29, 2013 09:37 AM (LRFds)

206 @ 204 thats a Point I can live with as an absolute truth..

Posted by: clemenza at March 29, 2013 09:37 AM (HMQ8k)

207 ::: I think you have a point in there somewhere. Try a little harder. ::: As someone who doesn't care if the state marries gays or not...quit while you're not as far behind as you could be.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 29, 2013 09:38 AM (csi6Y)

208 199 As Todd Akin proved, the rape exception existed for a reason. [...] The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics. Ace, I've corrected you for this before, but Akin is not Tea Party. He ran in the primary against an explicit Tea Party candidate and a Club for Growth candidate, either of whom would have been more than acceptable (and beaten McCaskill). Posted by: Ian S. at March 29, 2013 02:35 PM (B/VB5) ________________ That's the hazard of being amorphous. If the Tea Party was a true political party with its own primaries that problem wouldn't exist.

Posted by: tasker at March 29, 2013 09:38 AM (r2PLg)

209 Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 02:35 PM (MMC8r) Couldn't agree with you more. I have affirmative action and everything that smells of it. Actually think it's quite evil, against those it purports to help and against those who are excluded because of it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:38 AM (6zgse)

210 I hate, not have.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:39 AM (6zgse)

211 203 TQC, I'd say your observation is inherently correct.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 29, 2013 09:39 AM (LRFds)

212 And how many Republicans will publicly oppose Affirmative Action? Where's Rand Paul on AA? Quiet as a mouse for Mr. Libertarian. They won't speak out against racist "Diversity" programs because the media will call them racists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:40 AM (ZPrif)

213 Mooch is have a yoga section during the Easter egg roll. 'cause what kid doesn't fucking LOVE yoga!!!

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 09:41 AM (fWAjv)

214 Actually think it's quite evil, against those it purports to help and against those who are excluded because of it. Imagine how much social fabric was destroyed with a government check.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 09:41 AM (MMC8r)

215 213 Yep.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 09:41 AM (dBYCN)

216 Who would the R's choose to put the pressure on a potential candidate?  Michael "MSNBC" Steele?  John McLame?  Poppy?  Shrub? Bobdole?  Kang?  Kodos?

Posted by: ejo at March 29, 2013 09:41 AM (GXvSO)

217 I think the media is the #1 enemy, though, and Republicans need to learn to deal with them instead of cowering in fear every time they go boo! Although the media also suppresses news, and I don't know how to go around that aside from taking out ads during TV shows.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:42 AM (6zgse)

218 ace:  The big problem with the Tea Party is that while I mostly agree with them on substance, I do not like their radical the-past-can-teach-me-nothing idea about politics and tactics.



Do you have any examples of the tea party doing this?  I may be wrong but I think the Tea Party came into existence exactly because of 'the past CAN teach me'.....Obamacare.  They knew, from previous big gov't. programs and from socialized medicine in other countries Obamacare would not end well. 

So I'm not exactly sure how your statement applies.....

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 29, 2013 09:42 AM (X6akg)

219 Hey y'all This is to, but pertinent inasfar as t deals with fucking liberals. We just got a ratified contract on a house in Fairfax, VA, ans were celebrating at Lebanese taverna, possibly the best Lebanese food we have ever eaten, including the Middle East. Some people from a group home for the mentally challenged came in for lunch, and although they were a bit loud, it was no big deal, because they were having a good time. A sour, shriveled woman next to us started screaming at the top of her lungs, and the man eating with her stood up and told the group to get the fuck out of there, they shouldn't be in public. My husband told them the group were mentally challenged, and were just enjoying lunch, and these two miserable sots started yelling that they should never be in public. The woman said she knew nothing about children, but they shouldn't act like that.. We tried again to explain that they were adults, mentally challenged, and that they had every right to be there. This went on until my kids were ready to take them down. Guess whose bumper sticker was proudly displayed on their car??? I was so proud of my hubby and kids for standing up for these precious people. ( yeah, I got some strong words in there, too, but I am really proud that my kids recognized that these were evil people,,)

Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 09:42 AM (WDF1n)

220 What did you forget the heat, he got over the Civil Rights Act, precisely because of the issues, that have arisen out of it.

Posted by: luigi vercotti at March 29, 2013 09:43 AM (Jsiw/)

221 If you base much of your opinion of the Tea Party on it's failures then I can see why you have that attitude. But the Tea Party has had some outstanding successes too.

No one has claimed that re-taking DC was going to be easy or quick. We also have to take into consideration that conservatives/Tea Partiers are working against two foes. Leftist democrats and leftist republicans.

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 02:34 PM (AynJL)


Yes ,the tea party has been an amazing success for what it is.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 29, 2013 09:44 AM (AWmfW)

222 Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:42 PM (WDF1n) Don't you know they should never have been allowed to be born? Ugh. Some compassion shown by progressives, huh?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:44 AM (6zgse)

223 >>>Yes because any single deviation from conservative orthodoxy is enough to be cast out from the movement forever. Reason #11 why we can't have nice things. Posted by: Mætenloch at March 29, 2013 02:04 PM (pAlYe)>>> Yes, because that's exactly what I said. Lay off the straw men.

Posted by: gm at March 29, 2013 09:44 AM (/kBoL)

224 It really comes down to the 'owing.' The Italians and the Irish worked their asses off, and were passionately hated as well.  Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 02:35 PM (MMC8r)

Not to minimize or disount the evils of slaver, but, indentured servants were often worked to death.  They owed seven years of labor--often in a skilled trade like blacksmithing, after that, they would be in competition with their former master.  So an inhumane master had no interest beyond squeezing the maximum out of a servant even unto death, while, a slave was valuable property.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 09:45 AM (kXoT0)

225 When are the Egyptians going to pay back the Joooooos?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 29, 2013 09:45 AM (SkyIE)

226 Johns Hopkins students crying to have Dr. Carson replaced as commencment speaker.  The  northeastern states can burn for all I care.  There's no hope for that part of the US.   They've totally fallen off  the marxist cliff.

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 09:45 AM (AynJL)

227 Last night on the NCAA pre-game, Doug Gotlieb made a joke about the fact he was the only white guy on the panel. 4 black guys and him. It was the same joke every black guy who's the only black guy on the panel makes about bringing "the brother's" perspective on the issue. Result -- immediate condemnation and accusations of Gotlieb being racist on all major sports news sites. Gotlieb was forced to publicly apologize for his joke within a half hour of making it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:45 AM (ZPrif)

228 I was so proud of my hubby and kids for standing up for these precious people. ( yeah, I got some strong words in there, too, but I am really proud that my kids recognized that these were evil people,,)


Moki, that's great that your children are able to identify libtards in public like that and stand them down.  Maybe there's still hope for this country.

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2013 09:45 AM (GQ8sn)

229 220 Moki, Moki, as I said to IronGrampa democrats want to "take care of the weak" loudly......the "permanently" is softer.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 29, 2013 09:46 AM (LRFds)

230 220 No one is more intolerant than leftists.Remember,they were appalled that Sarah Palin didn't abort her Downs baby.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 09:46 AM (dBYCN)

231

Posted by: ace at March 29, 2013 02:21 PM

 

Well, let's talk Akin.  I agree he is (was) a doofus.  With his abortion position he should have acknowledged that the rape/incest exception was popular though he may have personally disagreed with it, and lamented that such a thing was necessary, and would strive to make the exception irrelevant by strengthening women's protections against rape (I see putting a pro-life spin on carry rights as a cool lead in...).

 

And yes, he was stubborn jackass for not getting out when it was clear he was going to be drubbed.

 

However, switch the names around a bit.  The media did its part in creating the firestrom that surrounded Akin.  Would they have reported the same way were Akin a D?  I don't think so.  Would the Ds have run away from Akin the way Priebus ran away from Akin?  Again, I don't think so. 

 

I agree that finger pointing is a waste, and we on the right face a lot more than just one villain here.  But that also doesn't mean that I'm keen on abandoning core planks/coalition groups on the Right for the sole purpose of winning an election.  Like I suggested, running a liberal Republican gets you a liberal.  Running a "conservative/moderate" Democrat also gets you a liberal.  The difference is the Dems, along with their allies in the news/entertainment industrial complex (heh) will cover up the perceived sins of their chosen ones.  The GOP, not so much.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 29, 2013 09:46 AM (tVWQB)

232 >>>That's the hazard of being amorphous.

If the Tea Party was a true political party with its own primaries that problem wouldn't exist.


1.) If the Tea Party was a true political party with its own primaries, no Republican OR Tea Party member would ever win elected federal office again in this country outside the reddest of red districts.

2.) The Republican Party is a true political party with its own primaries, and yet we somehow keep nominating RINO scum according to a vocal contingent around here and elsewhere.  So much for that cure-all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 09:46 AM (bcLhD)

233 Catching up on Southland. cya's later.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 29, 2013 09:46 AM (XYSwB)

234 226 When are the Egyptians going to pay back the Joooooos?  
 

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 29, 2013 02:45 PM (SkyIE)

 

 

Well.... next time they attack us, we're taking the Pyramids back...

Posted by: Israel.. at March 29, 2013 09:47 AM (lZBBB)

235 Johns Hopkins students crying to have Dr. Carson replaced as commencment speaker. Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 02:45 PM (AynJL) And what reason have they given? I hope there are people taking advantage of the situation and calling them racists. Although it's likely a lot of black students are calling for his head, too. Whatever, I've been called racist against my people for not supporting Obama.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 09:47 AM (6zgse)

236 The problem with the GOP is [pointing finger about Todd Aiken.  Conversation should be how Democrats elected him, due to the open primary.  They plotted.  Their executed their plot. They won.  GOP/conservatives/libertarians/whatevers needs to shut up about Todd Aiken.  They need to acknowledge they got rolled and played in MO due to democrats electing Aiken in primary in the first place, then pulling out the video of his comments. 

Posted by: Deli LLama at March 29, 2013 09:47 AM (lGu1O)

237 Moki, are you talking about the place in Harbor East? I walked by it last weekend, my buddy said it was great.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at March 29, 2013 09:49 AM (jIaZt)

238 191 @ 183 you miss spelled igger
Posted by: clemenza at March 29, 2013 02:33 PM (HMQ8k)

We are not your secret *wink wink* racist friends.

Since you cannot restrain yourself from racial comments and insist on continually probing the line, you are banned.

Posted by: Mtenloch at March 29, 2013 09:49 AM (pAlYe)

239 This strategy only makes sense when the base reliably backs the establishment candidate. Since the establishment is at war with the GOP base, it doesn't work for us.

Posted by: Truman North at March 29, 2013 09:50 AM (I2LwF)

240 1.) If the Tea Party was a true political party with its own primaries, no Republican OR Tea Party member would ever win elected federal office again in this country outside the reddest of red districts. 2.) The Republican Party is a true political party with its own primaries, and yet we somehow keep nominating RINO scum according to a vocal contingent around here and elsewhere. So much for that cure-all. Posted by: Jeff B. at March 29, 2013 02:46 PM (bcLhD) ___________________ I suspect the Tea Party is in its teen age phase. You have to listen to how they really, really hate their parents without ever suggesting that maybe they should just move out of the house. (I'm sure as with most analogies that is oversimplified and has plenty of holes.)

Posted by: tasker at March 29, 2013 09:50 AM (r2PLg)

241 Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:42 PM (WDF1n) Visions of that fat whiny bitch in the Prius encapsulates the TFG voter.

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 09:51 AM (fWAjv)

242 This main blog post confuses me.  What's the point, exactly?

Posted by: Sharron Buck Akin O'Mourdock at March 29, 2013 09:51 AM (pmsMR)

243 A sour, shriveled woman next to us started screaming at the top of her lungs, and the man eating with her stood up and told the group to get the fuck out of there, they shouldn't be in public...Guess whose bumper sticker was proudly displayed on their car??? Well, you've got to give the lovely Mr. & Mrs. Sanger there some credit for discretion. The rewason they were so upset is because the voices inside their heads were screaming that the mentally challenged adults in that room shouldn't even be.

Posted by: Deety at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (jVk2G)

244 C'mon! What's the worst that can happen?

Posted by: Todd Akin at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (XvHmy)

245

Result -- immediate condemnation and accusations of Gotlieb being racist on all major sports news sites. Gotlieb was forced to publicly apologize for his joke within a half hour of making it.

 

Maddening.  People are idiots.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (fsLdt)

246 Which one is she? The fat one?

Posted by: Oswald Cobblepot at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (cvrr4)

247

Go put on your tennis sweater, weenie. They're waiting for you over at the country club.

As for me and mine, we'd rather lose with a conservative than win with an unreliable, backstabbing, RINO squish.

So sue me.

Posted by: J. Moses Browning at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (Huspf)

248 I was so proud of my hubby and kids for standing up for these precious people. ( yeah, I got some strong words in there, too, but I am really proud that my kids recognized that these were evil people,,)

Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:42 PM (WDF1n)



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You've got a nice family there, Moki.  You have every right to be proud.


Posted by: mama winger at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (P6QsQ)

249 Thank you Maetenloch.

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (fsLdt)

250 Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:42 PM (WDF1n) Moki, I would be willing to bet those ID folks we're from the LIFE Program at George Mason University. My wife works there. God Bless you and your family.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 09:52 AM (6Sldc)

251 Did Bill Clinton at least have sex with Ashley Judd? You know, to make her feel better about her puffy face, and the fact that The Patriarchy just raped her, and to show her how much he Cares and feels pain and stuff. Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 29, 2013 09:53 AM (FMeeD)

252 " that is, people trying to out-conservative each other until they do such a terrific job of winning that contest that they lose elections."

Oh brother.  Plenty of moderate GOP nominees lost in 2012.,  too.

Posted by: mrp at March 29, 2013 09:54 AM (HjPtV)

253 148 This is largely false. Had Akin -supported- an exception to rape because he imagine rape stress caused miscarriages, but not reliably, he'd still have been hooted offstage. It was the medical errors that sunk him. And the Romney/Ryan campaign, and the Party apparat, and its big money, decided abortion was really a distraction and they let Murdouck sink for standing by the platform instead of His Mittness. Going forward, people who want to argue against the impracticable and despicable "rape" loophole are going to have to remember the abolitionists, and understand that survivor testimony trumps oratory. That is why the public remembers the names of Sojourner Truth and Frederick Douglass, and not the white dudes who sponsored them. But I say that as somebody who *wants to achieve success for the agenda*, not somebody trying to be smarter than work harder, find the least resistance, summon the Jedi Republican who can sail through. As you're convinced that the agenda has to go, you're not an ally. You're not on my team, and effort spent helping you out, is effort subtracted from victory.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 29, 2013 09:54 AM (9AyMV)

254 247 Which one is she? The fat one? Posted by: Oswald Cobblepot at March 29, 2013 02:52 PM (cvrr4) This classy gal. http://tinyurl.com/c7x4jjq

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 09:55 AM (fWAjv)

255 Given all the splinter groups, there's a reason people call the left movement that overwhelmed government "alphabet soup".

Posted by: Annika at March 29, 2013 09:55 AM (MhA4j)

256 I wouldn't even mind Affirmative Action so much if we could just limit it descendants of actual slaves. Why a Mex-American kid who's Dad moved here illegally in 1994 during that racist Clinton era gets the same Affirmative Action as a black kid who's family endured a hundred years of slavery and then another hundred of Jim Crow beats me. Since white people don't have babies anymore, nearly all our immigrants are non-white now. So they all get Affirmative Action. Which is fucking retarded. Affirmative Action for arabs, indians, chinese, mexicans, peruvians, nigerians, pakistanis, indonesians, libyans, etc, etc, etc. Makes no fucking sense except in a fuck-whitey way.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:55 AM (ZPrif)

257

@ 239 - "Since you cannot restrain yourself from racial comments and insist on continually probing the line, you are banned."

 

 

Could you ban Lyndon Johnson while you're at it?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 29, 2013 09:55 AM (YYJjz)

258 Re: Akin:  He was the establishment Republican candidate.

That the Republicans in Missouri somehow decided he was the best candidate for Senate (I voted for Steelman btw), and then in the immediate aftermath of his gaffe the Republican Party in Missouri didn't replace him immediately after his gaffe constitutes what they call in that funny foreign game not one but two "own goals."

The first own goal was a plurality of establishment, and yes social-conservative Republicans voting for Akin, a sitting Congresscritter (and therefore a 'business-as-usual' candidate) rather than either Steeelman or for Brunner.

The second own goal was the failure of the Republicans to convince Akin to step aside for another candidate after the firestorm (Missouri law did not allow Brunner or Steelman to be the replacement). 

Any Republican who came to Akin's defense can look with pride for the next six years at the product of their intransigence:  Senator Claire McCaskill.

/yeah, I'm still bitter.

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 09:56 AM (NaNKB)

259 238 This is the original on Washington Blvd, Arlington. It's near the East falls church metro, but they have other restaurants throughout DC. If you like Lebanese food, definitely go there. The owner talked to the couple, and asked them to leave, even though they were regular customers. He said he did not want them in his restaurant again, for them to speak that way to people with disabilities. He was very upset. So the more people I can encourage to patronize his restaurant, the better.

Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 09:57 AM (WDF1n)

260

"That circle, including former Obama top adviser David Plouffe, worried not only that Judd was too liberal."

 

 

Bullshit. They worried that she was too much of a moron, even by lefty moron standards.

Posted by: rrpjr at March 29, 2013 09:57 AM (wjtYL)

261 261 Yeah,and batshit insane.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (dBYCN)

262 The owner talked to the couple, and asked them to leave, even though they were regular customers. He said he did not want them in his restaurant again, for them to speak that way to people with disabilities. He was very upset. So the more people I can encourage to patronize his restaurant, the better.


If I'm ever in the area, I'll definitely hit this place up.  I love ME food.

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

263
I don't care where you stand on different issues, there are some people who are disgusting sickos.

Advocating for actual murder of infants:

http://tinyurl.com/c2bss6x

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (IY7Ir)

264 The owner talked to the couple, and asked them to leave, even though they were regular customers. He said he did not want them in his restaurant again, for them to speak that way to people with disabilities.

-------------




There are some awfully good people left in this wretched world of ours. 

Posted by: mama winger at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (P6QsQ)

265 I hope there are people taking advantage of the situation and calling them racists. Although it's likely a lot of black students are calling for his head, too. Whatever, I've been called racist against my people for not supporting Obama.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 02:47 PM (6zgse)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

I've believed for quite some time that the examples of true patriotism in this country is the black man/woman who stands up against  this regime and mindset.  I sometimes feel sorry for myself because I seem to be the lone voice in  the crowd sometimes, but I'm always reminded by people like you and others that the venom spat at me pales in comparison to what you must have to endure.

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (AynJL)

266 Lot of Hot Air stuff floating around. About time---they are a force, and we all know brute force is the only thing that matters. I applaud.

Posted by: Nobody at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (2v7XD)

267 This classy gal.

http://tinyurl.com/c7x4jjq

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 02:55 PM (fWAjv)



Holy crap!  I never saw that before.  W.T.F?

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (X6akg)

268 Bullshit. They worried that she was too much of a moron, even by lefty moron standards.


She probably called them afterwards and accused them of rape.

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2013 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

269 Do you have any examples of the tea party doing this?

Example: (since you brought up Obamacare)

What do many of the Tea Party types suggest the GOP do, given the Dems hold the WH and Senate?

Government shutdown to "force" the Dems to repeal it.

It doesn't and wouldn't work.  Newt tried it in '86 and got exactly nothing for it, except the loss of some seats the following election.

Why?  Because the GOP got blamed for the shutdown, and it was no skin off Clinton's back if some parks got closed for a while.

The same would apply today.  It's pure fantasy to suggest that they could be cohered into allowing an Obamacare repeal.  Yet it's The Establishment's fault that it passed and hasn't been repealed, because they're supposed to use witchcraft or something.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 09:59 AM (SY2Kh)

270 They mainly worried Judd was too crazy. Too liberal is not a problem. And too dumb can be managed (ie Biden). Too crazy is impossible to manage cause you can't predict if she'll wake up tomorrow and start accusing the Republicans of raping her.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 09:59 AM (ZPrif)

271 You do remember that gotcha, came to us, as part of American Bridge, a Dem
SuperPac. Now make up your mind, Christine was not credible because she hadn't served in office, but a six time Congressman was for a time, then Rove pulled the 5 million out of the state.

Posted by: luigi vercotti at March 29, 2013 10:00 AM (Jsiw/)

272 If I'm ever in the area, I'll definitely hit this place up. I love ME food. I'll second the recommendation. It's as good or better than any of the food I've eaten in the ME. They have about 5 of these places in metro DC so you're never too far from one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 29, 2013 10:00 AM (6Sldc)

273 And they worried Judd was too crazy because ... she's actually crazy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 10:00 AM (ZPrif)

274 He was very upset. So the more people I can encourage to patronize his restaurant, the better. Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:57 PM (WDF1n) Good for him. And good for you guys, too, Moki. Working in DC everyday I see too many examples of people walking around like the universe only exists in the two foot radius around them. The lack of just general courtesy in this city constantly astounds me.

Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 10:00 AM (659DL)

275 They are angry at Dr Carson because he is against gay marriage and he made the slippery slope argument which means he "compared" homosexuality to pederasty etc.The real reason is he is against the chocolate jesus.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 10:01 AM (dBYCN)

276 Bowden once made the point that the internal cleansing that happens in Left movements is to clear out all of the ninnies, the imbeciles, the useful idiots.

Generally speaking, cleansing on the Right happens because of real power struggle.

It's pretty obvious that Judd, God bless her, is a bit of a ninny. As much as it could be advantageous politically to have her sounding off and humiliating her party, it will never happen and overall, I'm at peace with that.

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:01 AM (El+h4)

277 The owner talked to the couple, and asked them to leave, even though they were regular customers. He said he did not want them in his restaurant again, for them to speak that way to people with disabilities. He was very upset. So the more people I can encourage to patronize his restaurant, the better. Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:57 PM (WDF1n) That is GREAT. "You may be regulars. But you're a-holes. Have a nice day and don't come back."

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:01 AM (fWAjv)

278 Sarah Palin is unelectable.

Posted by: MJ at March 29, 2013 10:02 AM (vl5mg)

279 #276

No not the chocolate Jesus

A STEP TOO FAR, CARSON!

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:02 AM (El+h4)

280 That the Republicans in Missouri somehow decided he was the best candidate for Senate (I voted for Steelman btw), and then in the immediate aftermath of his gaffe the Republican Party in Missouri didn't replace him immediately after his gaffe constitutes what they call in that funny foreign game not one but two "own goals."

Short of murder, they had no power to replace him.

Everybody and his brother was trying to talk him into dropping out, but he refused.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 10:03 AM (SY2Kh)

281 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 29, 2013 02:58 PM (IY7Ir) The second guy to ask a question is cute. The fact that the woman didn't grasp the horror of what she was saying. She's comfortable with the prospect of infanticide after a baby is born. PP is EVIL.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 10:03 AM (6zgse)

282 278 Good for him.Go there more often.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 10:03 AM (dBYCN)

283

@ 270 - "The same would apply today. It's pure fantasy to suggest that they could be cohered into allowing an Obamacare repeal. Yet it's The Establishment's fault that it passed and hasn't been repealed, because they're supposed to use witchcraft or something."

 

 

At this point, I think conservatives and liberty lovers just need to focus on a set of core issues that are popular with the population at large - gun rights, standing up to the big banks, creating jobs, etc. - and continually hammer those to try to get a majority in both houses and the Presidency.

 

Then - take the gloves off.  Spend the first six months in office ramming through every last thing on our combined agendas, so that they have a year for the magic to start to work and for the ensuing media-created furor to die down and people forget all about what they were supposed to be mad about by the time the next election rolls around.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 29, 2013 10:04 AM (YYJjz)

284 Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 03:00 PM (659DL) Well, if you ever happen to have the door held open for you in DC - say hi to me. I swear sometimes I feel like a doorman while letting people through and then still holding it for a straggler or two 10 feet behind the rest because I don't want to shut the door on them.

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:05 AM (fWAjv)

285 251- Hey Sean, you are probably right. We just got a house across the street from the university, since the kids want to go to school there. I didn't know they had such a program, so I am even more impressed with the school. Hugs to your wife. Based on those sweet people, she is doing a great job!

Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 10:05 AM (WDF1n)

286 http://tinyurl.com/c7x4jjq   Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 02:55 PM (fWAjv)

Wow, that was full on ugly and I would bet everything I own and every penny I will ever earn in the future that she is a lifelong Proud Democrat.  She is walking a very thin line getting in people's face like that, she will push someone to beat her to death some day, probably her husband.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:05 AM (kXoT0)

287 OT/ Christ it hurts when I chew on my root-canal tooth. It's lime a passion-play in my mouth.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 29, 2013 10:06 AM (+mg2/)

288 If MO had a run-off requirement Akin would never have won.  Having a three way race with no run-off is a recipe for shenanigans and the Dems are the ones who put Akin in the lead.



So all you MO  Morons need to be talking up the Party to enact a 50% run-off requirement.

Posted by: Vic at March 29, 2013 10:06 AM (53z96)

289 268 This classy gal.



http://tinyurl.com/c7x4jjq

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 02:55 PM (fWAjv



Un-be-lievable.  Wonder who the nasty creature voted for?  Good grief.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:06 AM (lVPtV)

290

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 29, 2013 02:55 PM (ZPrif)

 

Its very simple... the only Group who does NOT have somebody to lobby for them, are White Male Herterosexuals.

 

Any attempt of us to organize, is branded as the KKK or Nazi...

 

Thus... in a political climate driven by GROUP dynamics... we are at a decided disadvantage.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:07 AM (lZBBB)

291 Everybody and his brother was trying to talk him into dropping out, but he refused.

Not totally true.  He was getting plenty of support.

Most of it from social conservatives, I'm afraid.

Plus he went all "God wants me to run" on us in MO.

This is every bit as much an illustration of Ace's point, operating on the social-conservative wing of the "right," as other examples might illustrate the occasional Tea-Party bull-headedness.

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:07 AM (NaNKB)

292 RWC- I know the feeling! I'll meet you next week, then? lol. Did you ever make it over to that chicken place?

Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 10:08 AM (659DL)

293 278 The owner talked to the couple, and asked them to leave, even though they were regular customers. He said he did not want them in his restaurant again, for them to speak that way to people with disabilities. He was very upset. So the more people I can encourage to patronize his restaurant, the better.

Posted by: Moki at March 29, 2013 02:57 PM (WDF1n)



Good for him, Moki.  And good for your family for standing up for those people.


Liberals.  Tolerance on display.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:08 AM (lVPtV)

294 probably her husband. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 03:05 PM (kXoT0) Not too sure about that. I don't know a guy that could put up marrying something that whines like that. I love the air quotes she says "Marketing. Oh that's just great"

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:08 AM (fWAjv)

295 So all you MO Morons need to be talking up the Party to enact a 50% run-off requirement.

Probably a good going-forward to-do item.

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:08 AM (NaNKB)

296 So all you MO Morons need to be talking up the Party to enact a 50% run-off requirement.
Along with ditching the open primary nonsense.

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:09 AM (NaNKB)

297 This is every bit as much an illustration of Ace's point, operating on the social-conservative wing of the "right," as other examples might illustrate the occasional Tea-Party bull-headedness. Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 03:07 PM (NaNKB) What about "moderates" like Lugar who refused to support the candidate they lost to or Moocowski who lost and refused to bow out gracefully? And Moocowski was not punished for her perfidy by the leadership. SoCons and Tea Party types aren't perfect, but neither are the others.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 29, 2013 10:09 AM (6zgse)

298 293 RWC- I know the feeling! I'll meet you next week, then? lol. Did you ever make it over to that chicken place? Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 03:08 PM (659DL) El Pollo Rico? No, not yet.

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:10 AM (fWAjv)

299 >>>>>>Yes because any single deviation from conservative orthodoxy is enough to be cast out from the movement forever. Reason #11 why we can't have nice things. Posted by: Mætenloch at March 29, 2013 02:04 PM (pAlYe)>>> (1) There was no single deviation from "conservative orthodoxy." Coulter spent 2012 establishing a pattern of deviation from "conservative orthodoxy" and personally insulting anyone who wanted to adhere to "conservative orthodoxy." (2) Arguing that a government mandate to force a private purchase of a product is a good idea is not some minor issue. It is a major issue and fundamentally flies in the face of whether or not we are free people. If she thinks that the government has that power and, worse, that exercising that power is good, I think she's deviated from "conservative orthodoxy" in a major way. (3) Who wants her to be "cast out?" She can stay in the movement. What do I care? The more the better, right? We're not going to win with a "pure" minority. What she has lost, however, is my respect and me valuing her opinion. Her opinion was repeatedly wrong in 2012. Why should I suddenly care what she thinks now? I don't respect her thought process, so her opinion on something means zero. It doesn't mean that I automatically dismiss something because she thought it, but it does mean that her opinion on something is totally irrelevant. (4) Who said anything about "forever?" Her opinions and arguments were shit in 2012. Maybe she can rehabilitate herself. Especially if she says that she was wrong and just wanted to win and Obama to lose. I doubt that narcissist would ever say something like that, but I could be wrong. Moreover, if she consistently, or at least regularly, finds herself making reasoned arguments that I agree with again, she could rehabilitate herself irrespective of a mea culpa (which she should give).

Posted by: gm at March 29, 2013 10:11 AM (/kBoL)

300 What a day.  The WH scrubs info on the First Brats flying from the Bahamas to Sun Valley, ID to snow ski, Mooch is going to have a "yoga garden" at the WH "Easter" egg roll, Joey Biden and DOCTOR Jill are on their third vacation this year (defiling Kiawah Island, SC)..

Happy Good Friday, everyone.  *sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:11 AM (lVPtV)

301 298 Chicque D'Afrique,

Indeed...

Dick Dick Lugar is on my all time hated list now.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:12 AM (LRFds)

302 It doesn't and wouldn't work. Newt tried it in '86 and got exactly nothing for it, except the loss of some seats the following election. Why? Because the GOP got blamed for the shutdown, and it was no skin off Clinton's back if some parks got closed for a while. It's apples to oranges I think. Then the issue was a few billion bucks wasted. Today the threat is existential. And I'm being serious. OCare will kill the country as we knew it. If the Republicans aren't willing to risk their careers for their country, what's the point in voting for them. LiFB then and hope for the best.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at March 29, 2013 10:12 AM (QupBk)

303 Not totally true. He was getting plenty of support.

Most of it from social conservatives, I'm afraid.


Yeah, he got some support from the Huckabee faction, but for the most part "The Establishment" was begging him to drop out.  They couldn't force him to though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 10:13 AM (SY2Kh)

304 @284: +100

Posted by: Truman North at March 29, 2013 10:13 AM (I2LwF)

305 What a day. The WH scrubs info on the First Brats flying from the Bahamas to Sun Valley, ID to snow ski Happy Good Friday, everyone. *sigh* Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:11 PM (lVPtV) You gotta be shitting me! So is that their 4th vacation now or are they counting the Bahamas and ski trip as one.

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:14 AM (fWAjv)

306 At this point, I think conservatives and liberty lovers just need to focus on a set of core issues that are popular with the population at large - gun rights, standing up to the big banks, creating jobs, etc. - and continually hammer those to try to get a majority in both houses and the Presidency.

Then - take the gloves off. Spend the first six months in office ramming through every last thing on our combined agendas, so that they have a year for the magic to start to work and for the ensuing media-created furor to die down and people forget all about what they were supposed to be mad about by the time the next election rolls around.


Yes, this, very much.  The "lowest common denominator" theory of building and sustaining political coalitions.

Where you have disagreement within your coalition, you table the issue, and simply don't talk about it with your political opponents.  Ever. 

Then, you pick the three or four issues you have the most public support for, and talk about them to the exclusion of pretty much everything else--as much as is humanly possible.

When somebody (i.e. the MSM) wants you to talk about anything but those issues, you pivot right back to them with "well, you know, what's important to the American people right now is . . ."

Unfortunately far too many on the "right" don't grasp this.

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:14 AM (NaNKB)

307 One more O/T Good Friday rant, Planned Parenthood spokeswoman on support for "post-birth abortion."


http://tinyurl.com/c2bss6x


This is going straight to hell on a high-speed train.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:15 AM (lVPtV)

308

Mooch is going to have a "yoga garden" at the WH "Easter" egg roll,

 


 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:11 PM (lVPtV)

 

Yes.... because everyone knows that the Eastern Bunny is a Yogi!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:15 AM (lZBBB)

309 306 I think they love,love making us angry.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 10:16 AM (dBYCN)

310 Left out "country"--so angry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:16 AM (lVPtV)

311 I'm sticking with my belief that the Republicans have to go Populist to win, however distasteful and economically counterproductive that may be. You ain't got because it was taken from you! Who did that? Democrats!

Posted by: toby928 for TB at March 29, 2013 10:17 AM (QupBk)

312 306 RWC,

H8er gonna H8 yo....

this Vacacay's theme was "skiing, water to air"....

stage 2 is snow...ion stage 3 although I know you wingnutz wish we'd just throw them out tha plane the girls will be taken to near orbital space in astronaut stlye low G experiments and allowed to ski in weightlessness....

For da Chlidrenz!

//Mooch

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:17 AM (LRFds)

313 311 "World" is the better choice.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 10:18 AM (dBYCN)

314 If we're going tribal, and it appears that we are, you gots to enlarge and angry up your tribe.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at March 29, 2013 10:19 AM (QupBk)

315 What a day. The WH scrubs info on the First Brats flying from the Bahamas to Sun Valley, ID to snow ski Happy Good Friday, everyone. *sigh* Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:11 PM (lVPtV) I really think they do things like this because it's such a great squirrel. Don't pay attention to this over here, spend your time being mad at this over there!

Posted by: Mainah at March 29, 2013 10:19 AM (659DL)

316

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 03:14 PM (NaNKB)

 

For me its a matter of priorities...

 

Gay Marriage will NOT destroy America... the Economy and Government Debt will.

 

Hell... Al Q and BinLadin could not have ever destroyed America... but we may do it by bankrupting ourselves (like the Soviets) while fighting a Never ending war (because we will not admit who the enemy is.... Islam...)

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:19 AM (lZBBB)

317 And diminish the other tribe, by fair means and foul.

Posted by: toby928 sips the sweet tea of despair at March 29, 2013 10:20 AM (QupBk)

318 315 Toby 928th,

apparently the "love Locke hate Marx' tribe flew over people's heads...

and I am not going gay just to fit in.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:20 AM (LRFds)

319 314 311 "World" is the better choice.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 03:18 PM (dBYCN



You're right. 



Saw a link to an article about Joey Biden refusing to kiss the Pope's ring.  Said his momma taught him, "No one's more important than you."  Yet he kisses Barry's ass on a regular basis.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 10:20 AM (lVPtV)

320 Its very simple... the only Group who does NOT have somebody to lobby for them, are White Male Herterosexuals.   Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 03:07 PM (lZBBB)

There ain't many of 'em willing to go to bat for White Female Heterosexuals either.

Perhaps we should band together?  Naw, how could that work?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:21 AM (kXoT0)

321 We need to bring in the unions, probably. Ultimately form a coalition of 'conservative left' and 'conservative' that is more of a third way than a conservative 'movement'.

I'll keep sayin' it until they label me a Nazi, I guess

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:21 AM (El+h4)

322 317 Romeo 13,

Gay marriage will destroy America, you are empowering the moontards to break the Churches and I will not help any govt that persecutes Churches for doctrine.

It is a nation wrecker.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:21 AM (LRFds)

323 Saw a link to an article about Joey Biden refusing to kiss the Pope's ring. Said his momma taught him, "No one's more important than you." Yet he kisses Barry's ass on a regular basis.  Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:20 PM (lVPtV)

Yet, but, with Barry's ass, he get to kiss something uglier than himself.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:22 AM (kXoT0)

324 322 River C,

said after the dust settled on election night we probably need to cut a deal with private unions and fuck over the civil service.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:22 AM (LRFds)

325

To be honest......not hatin the Catholics here ......but I really don't cotton to American high political officers kissing rings either.

 

 

No h8

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 10:23 AM (fsLdt)

326 #317

Homosexual 'marriage' will not destroy the nation, just the culture.

As you've said, the nation will be destroyed by fiscal insolvency over a war that is like Vietnam but less honest in its objective.

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:23 AM (El+h4)

327 It's apples to oranges I think. Then the issue was a few billion bucks wasted. Today the threat is existential.

Except it's not just their careers on the line- it's control of Congress.  Lose it to the Dems and they'll undo tomorrow what's done today.

And my point was- they'd be risking loss of the House for absolutely nothing.  No amount of bravery, career suicide or shutdowns will convince Obama or Reid to repeal Obamacare.  It would be like the Dems trying to force the GOP into voting for a $5,000 per gun tax.

It's wishful thinking at best.  If they seem too unwilling to force a government shutdown, there's reason for that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 10:23 AM (SY2Kh)

328 326 eleven,

Now bowing and genuflecting....

hey that's hot!

Low Information nation

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:23 AM (LRFds)

329 We need to bring in the unions, probably. The perfect target for Populism. Globalism works as an economic policy that enriches the nation as a whole. But it hurts some groups in the particular. If success leads to the tyranny of the Red Rat Bastards, then a little diminished economic efficiency is a small price to pay to roll it back.

Posted by: toby928 sips the sweet tea of despair at March 29, 2013 10:24 AM (QupBk)

330 The Pope commands Catholics in spiritual matters only.

Posted by: steevy at March 29, 2013 10:24 AM (dBYCN)

331 The ultimate in Democrat electoral shenanigans is the 2002 Forrester-Toricelli NJ Senate race.  Toricelli (D-Graft) pulled out of the race while under a cloud for receiving shady "gifts" as a senator, despite an NJ general statute forbidding a replacement on the ballot within 51 days of the election.  The NJ Supreme Court ruled unanimously that, hey, replacing the flailing Torch with Frank Lautenberg was no problemo.  Forrest lost to Lautenberg in the general.

Posted by: mrp at March 29, 2013 10:25 AM (HjPtV)

332 330 Toby 928th,

Hell reembrace their retarded regulatory fetish and bring back US manufacturing by force...

I don't know any more I hate communists.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:25 AM (LRFds)

333 That is a yeast infection with glasses.

Posted by: zsasz at March 29, 2013 10:25 AM (MMC8r)

334 For me its a matter of priorities...

See, here's the problem in a nutshell.

It political success isn't about anybody's priorities.  It's about the priorities you can come to agreement on as a coalition that's big enough to win the election.

That's the nuance.

Gay marriage ain't that issue.  Neither is abortion.  Yeah, lots of people care about those issues very, very deeply, but they aren't (for the right) coalition-builders, either because they're too easy to attack/caricature by the left, or because you can't actually get 50%+ to feel strongly enough about it to swing them over to your side.

The question is:  are there ANY issues that the right can build a winning coalition around any more, or is the cause pretty much lost?

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:25 AM (NaNKB)

335 http://tinyurl.com/c2bss6x


This is going straight to hell on a high-speed train.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:15 PM (lVPtV) 


.....this nation is going to fucking burn for this evil. 


God have mercy, I cannot begin to express the rage... these are our countrymen...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 29, 2013 10:26 AM (GpMdZ)

336 Not too sure about that. I don't know a guy that could put up marrying something that whines like that. I love the air quotes she says "Marketing. Oh that's just great"  Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 03:08 PM (fWAjv)

Now, now, her husband could be a another woman.  Besides that I work with at least guys who are married to women just like that and they grovel, defer, and snivel to said wives.  There are a whole lot of ugly, insecure, and worthless males out there.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:26 AM (kXoT0)

337 When somebody (i.e. the MSM) wants you to talk about anything but those issues, you pivot right back to them with "well, you know, what's important to the American people right now is . . ."

Unfortunately far too many on the "right" don't grasp this.


What too many on the "right" seem to have forgotten is that you don't get to advance your agenda without first winning elections and majorities.

At best you can only block the other party from fully implementing their agenda.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 29, 2013 10:27 AM (SY2Kh)

338 Yet, but, with Barry's ass, he get to kiss something uglier than himself.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 03:22 PM (kXoT0)


BTW, I was referring to Mooch, not Bobo's nether regions.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:28 AM (kXoT0)

339 There ain't many of 'em willing to go to bat for White Female Heterosexuals either.




Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 03:21 PM (kXoT

 

 

NOW?  Heck.... wasn't there just another Violence against women act done?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:28 AM (lZBBB)

340 Except it's not just their careers on the line- it's control of Congress. Lose it to the Dems and they'll undo tomorrow what's done today. True. But the stink will be all on them. I'm arguing, and perhaps most people think I'm overwrought, that the current situation is doom. Actually doom. We are so in debt that if sovereign interest rates return to their historical norm, our debt service will consume almost the entire income tax take of the country. The nation will survive this, but our government will not. We restore the theocratic regime of 1787 or we burn in a commie hell. I afraid it's one or the other.

Posted by: toby928 sips the sweet tea of despair at March 29, 2013 10:29 AM (QupBk)

341

. There are a whole lot of ugly, insecure, and worthless males out there.

 

It really   is repulsively pathetic  to  see a couple like  that.  oy

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 10:30 AM (fsLdt)

342 "Saw a link to an article about Joey Biden refusing to kiss the Pope's ring."

When Pope Benedict arrived at the White House on April 16, 2008,  The US Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, kissed the papal ring.  The look on George Bush's face as she did so was one of shock.  Not a peep from the press, although it was shown live on television.

Posted by: mrp at March 29, 2013 10:30 AM (HjPtV)

343 NOW? Heck.... wasn't there just another Violence against women act done?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 03:28 PM (lZBBB)


Wash your typing hands with germicidal soap.  NOW does not legislate for me and women like me and the Violence Against Women thing mainly centered around hurting the feelings of Dim Womyn and the LGBT gang, with them being interlocking circles of fire.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:30 AM (kXoT0)

344 What Ann is saying is that what the GOP needs to do is stop fighting for things it ostensibly believes in and instead pander to whoever it is they think they can persuade. 





I , for example, can be persuaded with a very reasonable amount of deep fried sugary pastries.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Chris Christie at March 29, 2013 10:30 AM (EZl54)

345 The question is: are there ANY issues that the right can build a winning coalition around any more?

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 03:25 PM (NaNKB)

 

 

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Free pussy. 

Posted by: Soona at March 29, 2013 10:31 AM (AynJL)

346 This is going straight to hell on a high-speed train.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2013 03:15 PM (lVPtV)



I just can't watch it....I can't.  Your description is enough to make me throw up.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 29, 2013 10:31 AM (X6akg)

347 345 Krispy kreme,

is that what Obama calls the big stick???

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:31 AM (LRFds)

348 Surely Hot Air has another post up by now for Ace to re-purpose over here . . .

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 10:31 AM (NaNKB)

349 new one

Posted by: Vic at March 29, 2013 10:31 AM (53z96)

350 The nation will survive this, but our government will not. yeah, but that's ok. your a/b scenario is false. there are many other options. local/state govts are well able to step in when the fedgov implodes, for example. what comes out of it fedgov-wise will be smaller and hopefully less dangerous. now, renegade states are possible . . . I guess? am not too worried about that honestly. blue states are full of wussbags

Posted by: BlackOrchidFriday at March 29, 2013 10:32 AM (J6kXj)

351 the girls will be taken to near orbital space in astronaut stlye low G experiments and allowed to ski in weightlessness.... For da Chlidrenz! //Mooch Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds) **wondering if sven is kidding or not** ***now wondering how the F it came to pass that I would question if the first daughters were going to space***

Posted by: RWC at March 29, 2013 10:32 AM (fWAjv)

352 336 Kinley Ardal,

You're arguing the wrong point....

I support post natal abortion....

I will play mom and I get to choose....

is that how this game is played?

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (LRFds)

353 #325

Most third way type movements (Fascists included, but also the Irish as well) included elements of the left and right. This is confusing for dualists, because what the German fascists did, for instance, was pretty heinous and they want to be able to create a one-to-one correlation to distance themselves from them. The problem, as is evidenced in J.Goldberg's Liberal Fascism is that these movements are both 'left' and 'right' at the same time; mostly what they are is 'strong' and 'authoritarian'. This is a characteristic of left movements in the USA but also of many right-wing movements in Europe. However, not every third way movement was totally crazy (but usually, violence happened as it must over such things; see the IRA and all that)

Regardless, we need a movement with some strength, some vanguard, but one that like our Founders respects tradition and doesn't try to tear down a bunch of walls to make things new.

There may reach a point where we need to employ authoritarian tactics on the right if only to break the wheel we have created. The risk is that, of course, we may not get another George Washington and when we summon the 'seven spirits worse than he' they will simply take over.

I don't know how many Libertarians belong to militias, but militias always have this undertone of Authority; of 'we will resist and overcome with strength even if it is only in self-defense.'

Conservatives tend to forget that our founders were radicals in their time; but their form of radicalism was actually unique and because of that, did not have the same results as the French variety. So while we espouse their views conservatively, the classical liberal position is now reactionary and like it was in their time, you will need support from both left and right.

Instead of trying to schmooze up to the left by giving up on social issues like the Establishment wants, we should up the strength and pander to the union vote. We can be those that are not against more manufacturing; against weird 'equal trade' agreements and against trade arrangements that devalue our production and thus sap our wealth.

(I'm getting into an area that is not my expertise there, but someone else could fill that in better I guess.)

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (El+h4)

354 Baddabing

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (fsLdt)

355 There are a whole lot of ugly, insecure, and worthless males out there.

It really is repulsively pathetic to see a couple like that. oy

Posted by: eleven at March 29, 2013 03:30 PM (fsLdt)


Especially the young metrosexual males...they have been beaten over the head by feminists long enough to know, you had best tow the feminist line if you want a girlfriend. 


Sigh, my wonderful, funny, genius smart, yet insecure because of my sister, nephew married just such a hag.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wench at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (kXoT0)

356 @ sven


We call it the  " eclair of influence "

Posted by: Chris Christie at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (EZl54)

357 352 RWC,

well she did almost divorce SCOAMF and the kids need to be ready to fly to kronos if joint custody is called for....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:33 AM (LRFds)

358 #302  Despite his increasingly iffy votes on a variety of issues,  if Lugar had retired at the end of his term he would have gotten a boatload of testimonial dinners, a gold watch, and probably a cushy job at some think tank in DC.

He is 80, EIGHTY,  8-0 years old.  Why didn't he retire?

Now with Byrd,  I think as his wife had died and he had nowhere to go with his failing health,  I sort of understand why he stuck around.

But Lugar could have done all sorts of things.  So why didn't he retire?

I suspicion my theory of blackmail,  yet once again.   I bet if he had been re-elected he would have been one of those maverick types.

And his refusal to support Murdock,  as well as his staff and supporters being total asses,  has him on my bad list permanently.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 29, 2013 10:34 AM (GoIUi)

359 Farmer Joe at March 29, 2013 01:53 PM (CyP2Z) Mind if I quote your "Social change: A play in three actis" comment from the Wife Swap post?

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 29, 2013 10:35 AM (XvHmy)

360

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 03:21 PM (LRFds)

 

Encouraging?  I don't think so...

 

But putting my energy into fighting THAT?  No...

 

They are busy doing everything they can to destroy both the Military, and Economic, might of America....

 

The idea that they can FORCE you to do marriage cerimonies, is ludicrous... both Freedom of Religion, AND Freedom of Association arguments can be made against that... and if that is a concern, then get Congress to pass a Law saying they don't have to....

 

But that issue while important to some, is not an Existential threat to the Republic IMO.

 

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:39 AM (lZBBB)

361 For many Baby Boomers, the defining moment in their life, which they never really leave, and to which all else is compared, is "the struggle against America's involvement in Vietnam." The "moderate" right lives in the 2010 primary and shows no signs of ever leaving. Maybe in 40 years. Mind you, it will be too late then. Until then, keep trying to out-purify the purifiers while pointing and calling them purity freaks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 29, 2013 10:39 AM (bxiXv)

362 It's a horrible world, filled with horrible people.

Posted by: Chris M at March 29, 2013 10:40 AM (4lyMJ)

363 361 Romeo13,

so you think this Kabuki theater which was needed ONLY because their worst actors refused to allow a deal to go through back in '94 is not about ratfucking the Churches?

Okay....

tell you what I'll apologize every January the first of every year that the Gays don't try to lawfare Churches into violating doctrine....

won't even ask for you to put up anything....I'm sure once they have this notch in their gunbelt they'll shut the fuck up and take the win.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:42 AM (LRFds)

364 #363  No,  it's a wonderful world,  and there are plenty of wonderful people.  It's just that the obnoxious ones are the most visible.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 29, 2013 10:43 AM (GoIUi)

365

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 03:42 PM (LRFds)

 

No, I think they will continue to push, until Christians get fed up.... and as American historicly have, over react.

 

But in the meantime, I'd like to have the country still here to have that argument in...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 29, 2013 10:45 AM (lZBBB)

366 366 Romeo 13,

what country?

The country that has Planned genocide openly advocating to butcher human beings that obama was just too ashamed to admit wanting to die for 'choice"...

I am running out of reasons to call any leftist "my fellow American"....

and I have a pretty nasty playbook I was trained in on "not Americans" who threaten my way of life.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:48 AM (LRFds)

367 Romeo13,  I have seen no evidence that they will not try to force marriage ceremonies between gays onto churches.

1. They already are forcing birth control or massive fines onto the Catholic Church.  The point of this is not free birth control,  which could have been set up as a separate HHS fund or a private charity through HHS. For that matter,  they could have just diverted more money to Planned Parenthood.

So why did they force this confrontation?  To force the Church to bow to the will of the State.

2. Are you aware that gay protesters have presented themselves at Communion in Catholic Churches with much fanfare and vulgarity, demanding Communion,  even though they do not qualify?  And are you aware there are people who deliberately steal the Host and then YouTube doing bad things to it?

3. Given that the EPA started small and is now one of the largest and most fascist agencies in the nation,  I see no reason to assume this push will not continue until the Church is forced underground like in China.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 29, 2013 10:50 AM (GoIUi)

368 #362

I don't know about this. I don't pay much attention to elections, but when your own party is busy trying to become a wing of the other party, the 'purity' test does come out as a big thing.

It's one thing to say you must oppose homosexual 'marriage' through a federal amendment or walk, it's another to look at flip-flops on say, abortion, and say, 'How conservative are you, really?'

There are ways to avoid the purity test *if they cared to use them* such as federalism.

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:50 AM (El+h4)

369 @343 Maybe Bush expected her to kiss his foot

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 29, 2013 10:50 AM (9AyMV)

370 368 Miss Marple,

the Church does its best work when underground....

Africa is closer to God than we are, obviously.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 29, 2013 10:51 AM (LRFds)

371 #371  I think so, sven.  There is a lesson there,  I think.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 29, 2013 10:51 AM (GoIUi)

372 Hopefully it doesn't get to the point of 'go underground or die'. But it may.

Posted by: RiverC at March 29, 2013 10:52 AM (El+h4)

373 Regarding this thread:  Ann Coulter has been in my ignore column for a very long time.  I don't dislike her,  as much as I think she is too enamored of her star power and supposed expertise.

I have given her enough book royalties and she will get no more from me.

I personally think my assessment of the situation is every bit as valid as hers,  so I am going with what I think is right.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 29, 2013 10:54 AM (GoIUi)

374 Their retards fall in line, ours don't.  That's the problem. 

If some dingbat lefty activist that lived in their parents' basement decided they were going to blow a Senate seat in order to make a point, Union leaders would make a phone call and the person would drop out.  They wouldn't ask.

But a large faction on our side cheers on this kamikaze behavior because they want to thump their chest at Karl Rove, or something.

Posted by: McAdams at March 29, 2013 10:58 AM (IZjA3)

375 Y'all're all retards. And every group of retards thinks they're the only ones who aren't retards, so they point fingers, try to marginalize everyone else, and the end result is *I* get boned. I'm pretty fucking tired of it, but you can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at March 29, 2013 11:07 AM (bxiXv)

376 Y'all're all retards. And every group of retards thinks they're the only ones who aren't retards, so they point fingers, try to marginalize everyone else, and the end result is *I* get boned.

The correct plural of y'all is 'all y'all.'

Posted by: filbert at March 29, 2013 11:22 AM (NaNKB)

377

todays blacks can be shown to be related to the great great slaveowner, does the black person today owe himself reparations?

 

--

 

 

It's worse than that. Some freed blacks were themselves ... slaveowners. I'm reading a book entitled "The Negro Family in America," by Edward Franklin Frazier (who was himself black; the book was his Ph.D. dissertation in sociology) that offhandedly mentions this in several places.

 

The book is extremely interesting and informative, and being written in 1939, does not follow the PC template. It's also available free from Archive.org.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 29, 2013 11:23 AM (IDSI7)

378

Anyone who deviates from Conservative Orthodoxy shall be deemed a heretic.

 

And by Conservative Orthodoxy I mean my personal set of beliefs held to the same intensity that I hold them.  Any variation and you are a darn dirty RINO heretic to be burned, burned, BURNED!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 29, 2013 11:46 AM (hLRSq)

379 Chesterton was a Catholic convert. So I think he'd find using his thinking to defend the rape exception to abortion law to be ill-done. And the problem the base, at least the conservative activists, have with letting the Republican establishment weed out the clowns and losers is that right now they don't trust them to know the difference between the clowns and losers and the useful talent. And based on performance, frankly, they're right not to.

Posted by: Rich Fader at March 30, 2013 11:34 AM (Wjgl6)

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