February 28, 2007
— Ace The media does love bashing on religions they don't like. Especially when they see an opportunity to alienate Christian voters from a social conservative's campaign.
hile Mitt Romney condemns polygamy and its prior practice by his Mormon church, the Republican presidential candidate's great-grandfather had five wives and at least one of his great-great grandfathers had 12.
Polygamy was not just a historical footnote, but a prominent element in the family tree of the former Massachusetts governor now seeking to become the first Mormon president.
Romney's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney, married his fifth wife in 1897. That was more than six years after Mormon leaders banned polygamy and more than three decades after a federal law barred the practice.
Romney's great-grandmother, Hannah Hood Hill, was the daughter of polygamists. She wrote vividly in her autobiography about how she "used to walk the floor and shed tears of sorrow" over her own husband's multiple marriages.
Hmmm... maybe a reason to vote against Romney?
Well, perhaps. And yet the media doesn't seem as interested in another candidate's closer proximity to a polygamist ancestor.
We have discovered that his father was not just a deeply flawed individual but an abusive bigamist and an egomaniac, whose life was ruined not by racism or corruption but his own weaknesses.
And, devastatingly, the testimony has come from Mr Obama's own relatives and family friends.
By the way, Obama's dad was already married when he married Obama's mom, then left them to marry a third woman, making him not a bigamist but a polygamist. (Or, at least, a trigamist.)
Well, you know-- the sins of the father shouldn't be visited upon the son and all that.
The sins of the great-grandfather, on the other hand -- well, the apple doesn't fall far from the generational-spanning tree, now does it?
Posted by: Sobek at February 28, 2007 01:56 PM (6GK9U)
By the way, Obama's dad was already married when he married Obama's mom ...
But that would make Obama a ... a.... I can't bring myself to say it
Posted by: Toby928 at February 28, 2007 02:00 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: Toby928 at February 28, 2007 02:01 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:01 PM (QTv8u)
Vote for me, worms.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:02 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: Brad at February 28, 2007 02:02 PM (zYbEr)
Also he was Mormon.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:05 PM (w4Bx4)
I wonder if all the Mormon-bashing the MSM are doing re: Romney will ultimately fail.
Maybe either people'll hear about Mormons enough that they'll accept Mormonism as OK (either by research, or people they know, or just osmosis), or they'll be so sick of hearing about it that it won't mean anything anymore. (If the *worst* thing that's said about Romney is that he's a Mormon, well, that's not too bad, right?)
Kind of a reverse of gay-worshipping causing people to become more strident in their rejection. (I don't think most people object to homosexuality per se, just in-your-face flamboyance, face-shoving-in-ness, and accusations of bigotry.)
Also, Harry Reid's a Mormon. So there's (obviously) hypocracy goin' on.
Posted by: Some Guy at February 28, 2007 02:08 PM (lPxkl)
It's lost it's sheen.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:12 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: muirgeo at February 28, 2007 02:12 PM (sRPj1)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:14 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 28, 2007 02:16 PM (oHd6r)
He made a run for the presidency, as well.
I think the mormon thing can be diffused. But, I don't think he'll be the nominee. He'd make a decent veep candidate for Guiliani.
Posted by: mesablue at February 28, 2007 02:16 PM (DzeyU)
Well, never mind all that. Hillary!s father was a Republican.
And we all know about 'the welsh' and their polyamorous Tom Jonesian ways.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 28, 2007 02:17 PM (Pkdqo)
Worm never turned to Dragon
till it Worm Devoured.
Only 28% lunatic. Look it up.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:17 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2007 02:18 PM (t+mja)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 28, 2007 02:19 PM (Pkdqo)
Worm never turned to Dragon
till it Worm Devoured.
I swear I just read something like that recently, based on budhist reincarnation.
Some I'm a vestigle vesti whateveritis dragon?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:20 PM (QTv8u)
No, its perfect, but I don't see how I'm going to get Mormon brothers to go for it. Pure-rear end cuirass just isn't the same.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:21 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:23 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:26 PM (w4Bx4)
For that your head will roll, infidel! Angry mobs of . . . crap, I'm in the wrong religion.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:30 PM (w4Bx4)
I have an uncle who ran with Bonnie and Clyde as well.
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 28, 2007 02:30 PM (gZ/8m)
I've been reading turtledove and now tearing through the online library of eric flint, before I go and inundate myself with long overdue fiction I've been ignoring for a while (thanks to politics.)
So if it's latin (original roman) it fits that it might have worked it's way into turtledove and flints work.
however, I thought that the depiction I recall (I swear I read something like that recently) was based on the heinleinian "grok" thing.
Basicaly saying, how great is the beast, when in the end it is the small creatures who feed off of them. Seems more budhist in nature of depiction.
kinda like, "It is the great who leave footprints, and it is the wise who live without notice" (I forget the origin of that paraphrase too)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 02:31 PM (QTv8u)
What did they run for, RWS?
Posted by: Dan Collins at February 28, 2007 02:35 PM (PaHki)
Posted by: Anachronda at February 28, 2007 02:35 PM (3K4hn)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:37 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: Uppity Hick at February 28, 2007 02:38 PM (tPOg8)
Shallow? Sure I am. But so is the electorate.
Posted by: S. Weasel at February 28, 2007 02:40 PM (MecJo)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 02:42 PM (w4Bx4)
So, my great grandpa married a child. Probably anyhow, I didn't bother to do any real research here, but I think I'd have to cop to the claim... somewhere in the past 250 years anyhow, there is likely a charge of what would be called pedophilia today. Almost certainly.
Does that make me unelectable, and if so how many others are also unelectable due to having great grandparents who lived by the rules of their time, not by the rules of this time?
I'd guess very nearly everyone. Do you know where your great-great-grandparents were? Oh, and do you freaking care?
Posted by: Gekkobear at February 28, 2007 03:08 PM (woQ86)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 28, 2007 03:21 PM (wmgz8)
Both grandfathers over 20.
Both grandparent groups more than 5 children.
I'm one of more than 50 first cousins (might be more than 60, hard to keep track of all of them, my family is so large, I don't know how many FIRST COUSINS! I have)
I'm a bastard, in certain circles of my family I'm barely even considered.
Mayflower had nothing to do with my family, at least not the respectable part. in 1890 odd, my great aunt (my grandfathers sister) was born in a covered wagon as my mothers family was migrating EAST! My grandfather Was a drunken loser, a loving one, but he couldn't offer a damn thing to his wife or his children.
His family was the one that was moving east in the 1890's, he too was born in a covered wagon, because the small house in southern illinois wasn't built yet. (I assume covered waggon, he was born in a wagon, my great aunt goldie (that bitch wouldn't die) told me that there was no house to speak of until the 20's.
A small portion of my family is so bastardized that all we have is my great grandfathers last name to remind us. His name was "holloway" which indicates either a valley farmer (not likely) or a tavern/inn/hostel/hotel owner in a narrow pass of greater britain. And that great grandfather found his way west of the mississippi early enough to create my grandfather.
I don't know about geneology, but geography, and geographical migration dictates that ONE portion (the BAD poartion apparently) predates the civil war.
I don't know, but really, because I don't know?
WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER?!?!?!
My other ancestors are german, dutch(netherlands) and italian (mostly italian) EVERY MALE OF MY GRAND-FAMILY WENT TO WAR AGAINST THE VERY NATIONS THEY WERE BORN FROM!!!! (other than the mutt)
If I will kill the people of my heritage, exactly how important is my fucking heritage?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2007 03:26 PM (QTv8u)
I am a christian and would vote for mitt romney in a heart beat I have not a problem voting for mitt.
I would vote for a catholic mormon and Jew and any religion it would not bother me at all,if obama thinks this is going to sway the christian vote he is wrong. alot of us christians would vote for mitt.
Posted by: T&T at February 28, 2007 03:50 PM (zLXM4)
Posted by Wickedpinto
Are those carbon footprints?
Posted by: iamfelix at February 28, 2007 04:08 PM (aF7on)
Posted by: John at February 28, 2007 04:41 PM (2JTlJ)
RWS, - I have an uncle who ran with Bonnie and Clyde as well.
Small world. One branch on the ol' family tree has a certain Hinton or Hindon on it- who I'm told was one of the 4-6? Tx Rangers who shot B&C.
My relative shot your relatives' acquaintance.
Posted by: Small Worlder at February 28, 2007 04:41 PM (41Dd+)
I have an uncle who ran with Bonnie and Clyde as well.
Ah, RWS and I have a false karass. My people are from Miles and Rowena in Runnels county. Alas, I was born across the line in San Angelo in Tom Green county, on the banks of the mighty Concho. My grandmother was a contemporary of Miss Parker, though not a friend.
Posted by: toby928 at February 28, 2007 04:46 PM (PD1tk)
But that would make Obama a ... a.... I can't bring myself to say it"
Precisely. One of those Democrat bastards.
Posted by: sherlock at February 28, 2007 05:04 PM (G0npS)
Posted by: John at February 28, 2007 05:16 PM (Ynv7t)
Posted by: spurwing plover at February 28, 2007 05:37 PM (UwJcR)
Now, Mitt's great grandpa actually formally married and provided material support for each of his wives. Now that's reprehensible.
From a purely biological perspective, polygamy makes perfect sense if you're trying to populate your social group--especially if you're of the strongest stock. That's what I keep telling my wife about bringing in a Russian bride.
Posted by: Lord Elzkior at February 28, 2007 06:01 PM (ySmeE)
Then he fought against the Confederacy in 1863.
He didn't care WHICH draft board wanted him, he wasn't going...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2007 06:02 PM (clI2H)
Posted by: Grin Cracker at February 28, 2007 06:35 PM (41Dd+)
Come on, ace, you gotta jump off the SIN-wagon here, and start testifying about the evils of bigamy!
You know, I can tell just by looking in Mitt Romney's Mormon/Massachusetts eyes that he is, at the very least, confused!
Can someone please explain to me how a conservative Mormon ended up governor of Massachusetts . . . ?
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