September 30, 2013

Harry Reid, Leader of the "No Compromise" Caucus
— Ace

At Politico.

It's, yes, all about politics.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has been the most ardent proponent of President Barack Obama taking a hard line with House Republicans in the latest fiscal crisis engulfing Washington.

And so far, Reid is getting his way.

When the president considered sitting down with the four congressional leaders in the White House ahead of the deadline to avert a government shutdown, Reid privately urged Obama to call off the meeting, according to several people familiar with the situation. Reid believed that it would amount to nothing more than a photo-op that would give the false impression that a serious negotiation was occurring, even warning he wouldn’t attend such a session. Obama scrapped it.

As Washington barrels forward to the first government shutdown in 17 years on Tuesday, the wily Reid has taken the lead role in pushing a hardball Democratic legislative strategy that can be summed up like this: Make the Republicans cave.

“He’s been the rock … and he’s had our whole caucus behind him,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a close Reid ally who spoke with the majority leader nine times on Saturday afternoon.

Note that despite conceding the obvious -- that Reid, proudly, refuses to compromise, and that he does so for a partisan purpose -- Politico reports on this quite neutrally, apart from the times it's outright praising Reid for his "wiliness."

I've written a lot about supposedly Neutral Story Lines. These are storylines which have the superficial appearance of ideological neutrality -- "compromise" does not have a particular ideological bent -- and yet are deployed in a strictly partisan fashion by the media.

Yes, praising compromise and attacking those who refuse to is, on the surface, a non-ideological take.

But let's look beyond the surface. Let's look when the "Compromise Is Bad" storyline is deployed -- It is only deployed when conservatives are standing firm.

Meanwhile, Reid's partisan hardline stance is called "wily" and another Democrat is quoted to call him "our rock."

On its face the storyline is Neutral. But only on its face. Because the media that attacks Cruz for his "purism" and "unwillingness to compromise" will turn around the very next day and laud Harry Reid for exactly the same thing.

It should be noted this distinction is familiar to any lawyer or jurist. A law may be facially neutral vis-a-vis things it is required to be neutral about (race, political speech), but if it can be struck down as discriminatory as applied.

Almost all of the media's beloved Neutral Story Lines are in this second category -- facially neutral, discriminatory as applied. A court would strike down the media's "Neutral Story Lines" as odious and a fraud on the public, were it empowered to rule on such matters.

I repeat my eternal question: Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?


Posted by: Ace at 09:43 AM | Comments (310)
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1 In the MFM (delenda est), compromise only ever means "let the leftist win."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (qyfb5)

2 Thank you for your repeated business, Wile E Harry.

Posted by: ACME Congressional Products, Inc at September 30, 2013 09:46 AM (YVx8A)

3 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid?

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (GQ8sn)

4 Chaos.

Shut it down.

Call their bluff.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (VjL9S)

5 Wily is another term for pedophile?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (1Jaio)

6 New York Post Metro ‏@nypmetro 9m

NYPD is hunting for 2 mystery parachuters who landed in Lower Manhattan and vanished http://nyp.st/17kc976

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (8sCoq)

7

Meanwhile, Reid's partisan hardline stance is called "wily" and another Democrat is quoted to call him "our rock."

 

A ringing endorsement indeed from Chuck "Fuck" Schumer.

 

I mean how grotesque is that?   Who do you call your "rock" in every day life?  A husband or wife?   A parent?  A close sibling or friend?    Who the hell calls their colleague or co-worker their "rock?"   It's   disturbingly    intimate   in this situation.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (4df7R)

8 3 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid? Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin. And many many more, of course.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (T0NGe)

9 what happened to guy Who Posts Burn It Down?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (8sCoq)

10

Sadly  our  most   infamous  native.

Posted by: Searchlight, Nevada at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (/1ATA)

11 3-John McCain?

Posted by: nip at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (jI23+)

12 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid?

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 02:47 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Nazi PeloKKKi has got to be pretty close.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (4df7R)

13 Senate votes down the House bill funding the gov but delaying mandate for one year and shit canning the medical device tax. Still to vote on the Military pay stuff The House should now send a bill back forcing all Gov workers onto obamadeath and repealing ALL exemptions.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (1RQeV)

14 Someone has to sit back and pick this shit apart on a daily basis, point-by-point, and this battle against the state-run media can be run. Unfortunately, it needs to be a well-funded position. Because it's shit-work. And the blogosphere ain't getting it done. The RNC ain't funding it, because it would eat into their establishment base. So, here we go again.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (4p5/2)

15 I suggest you let the Wookie win.

Posted by: Han Solo at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (kBWdQ)

16 Reid is to Boehner as Putin is to Obama.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (epxV4)

17 Schumer?

Posted by: nip at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (jI23+)

18 >>Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid? It's pretty hard to choose who is the worst when you have people like Schumer, Pelosi, Durbin, Kerry, and countless other odious liberals. They all suck very hard.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (g1DWB)

19 I need some knowledge: So the spending bill goes back to house. But wasn't the Military spending a seperate bill, was that disapproved also?

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (RLdcX)

20 I will compromise with the Taliban. 
I will compromise with Iran.
I will compromise with Syria.

FUCK THOSE REPUBLICAN  TERRORISTY, ARSONY, KIDNAPPY BASTARDS.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Compromiser-in Chief, sometimes at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (fwARV)

21 You remember when he looked like someone beat his ass last year? He needs it again

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (E8hSa)

22 14 run = won. sigh.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (4p5/2)

23 Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 02:48 PM (8sCoq) The "burn it down" coalition contains more than one member.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (a4Omg)

24 Would Satan actually be a person? Kids went to Catholic school not me.

Posted by: nip at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (jI23+)

25 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid?

Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin.

And many many more, of course.

***

Schmucky and Turbin may be tied but I couldn't say they that they were more loathsome.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (XUKZU)

26 >>>Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid?


Let's see.... Hitler, Stalin, Mao....   no.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (8sCoq)

27 Deep Throat: And a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths.

MFM:  That's retarded, sir.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (/kI1Q)

28 It's not a thread until Guy Posts Burn It Down and Guy Posts President Is SCOAMF

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (8sCoq)

29 The deck has always been stacked. Even when they try to be neutral, they really can't.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (/wgO3)

30 I will compromise with the Taliban.
I will compromise with Iran.
I will compromise with Syria.

FUCK THOSE REPUBLICAN TERRORISTY, ARSONY, KIDNAPPY BASTARDS.

***

And don't forget

Nidal Hassan:  Not a terrorist.

Ted Cruz: Terrorist.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (XUKZU)

31 We should have knocked him off in 2010 had we not nominated a retard.  He had something like a 35% approval rating.


Posted by: McAdams at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (xWRxt)

32 Reid's voice is another one (besides Obama) that I can't stand listening to.

Posted by: Mainah at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (659DL)

33 So the spending bill goes back to house. But wasn't the Military spending a seperate bill, was that disapproved also? Posted by: Ma Bell at September 30, 2013 02:49 PM (RLdcX) The MIlitary bill is separate and they have not voted on that yet. We will see

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (1RQeV)

34 Cloward and Piven. Bankruptcy *is* the plan of the left. If you fight against that, you're evil. And apparently, being called evil is worse than actually going bankrupt for some. I just don't think humans are capable of doing very large systems.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (qyfb5)

35 24 Would Satan actually be a person? Kids went to Catholic school not me. Posted by: nip at September 30, 2013 02:50 PM (jI23+) Are you kidding? I can tell you what degree he'd have.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (T0NGe)

36

A court would strike down the media's "Neutral Story Lines" as odious and a fraud on the public, were it empowered to rule on such matters.

 

Provided that the court wasn't     the 9th Circuit, and that John Roberts couldn't    conceivably get away with calling  the MFM's  idea of "neutrality"   a tax.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:52 AM (4df7R)

37

>>>Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a close Reid ally who spoke with the majority leader nine times on Saturday afternoon

 

Don't call him Wormtongue for nuthin'.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 09:52 AM (3ZtZW)

38 The MIlitary bill is separate and they have not voted on that yet. We will see Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 02:51 PM (1RQeV) Ok thank you. Trying to keep daughter the younger (deployed) informed

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 30, 2013 09:52 AM (RLdcX)

39 Pederasts  are  often  described  as  "wily".

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 30, 2013 09:53 AM (rXcBX)

40 Are you kidding? I can tell you what degree he'd have.

Where else do you go when you can't hack Fiddle Studies?

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:53 AM (/kI1Q)

41 It's pretty hard to choose who is the worst when you have people like Schumer, Pelosi, Durbin, Kerry, and countless other odious liberals.

Don't forget Debbie Was-A-Man-Schultz.

And the head of Planned Genocide tweeted over the weekend that if the government shuts down women will have no access to birth control at all and it'll be a return to 1950.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 30, 2013 09:53 AM (B/VB5)

42 Reid? Wily? Why that's just good old-fashioned bullying he's doing there.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:53 AM (DmNpO)

43 Reid is ranting raving and lying his ass off on TV C-Span. What a pig

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:53 AM (1RQeV)

44 >>>Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a close Reid ally who spoke with the majority leader nine times on Saturday afternoon While Obama was golfing, I'm sure.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (T0NGe)

45 Can anyone confirm that the Senate did, in fact, vote NOT to pay the military. If so, then--as I've said numerous times--we need to change the subject ASAP. Or in the parlance of beltway politics...pivot.

Posted by: Czar Peter at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (hMQKI)

46 I just don't think humans are capable of doing very large systems.

Been saying that about software for a long time but I think you get a gold star for making it a universal axiom.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (epxV4)

47 >>>16 Reid is to Boehner as Putin is to Obama.

Nah. Putin is crafty. Reid isn't. There's no cunning strategy here. He knows he can spout a bunch of bullshit and he's not going to get called on it by the media (just like in the Romney taxes situation).

Posted by: Xander Crews at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (SUbHR)

48 The only "Wily" I've ever heard of...it never worked out very well for him.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (T0NGe)

49 I’m reading Walter Cronkite’s A Reporter’s Life right now. In the chapter I just finished, he talks about, in order, and over about ten pages, 1. After very quickly dispensing with the press’s silence on Roosevelt’s inability to walk, and Kennedy’s liaisons that included a woman with mob ties while president, he berates Bill Safire and Pat Buchanan for lying about press bias against conservatives. It wasn’t about bias, it was about newsworthiness! says Cronkite. 2. Cronkite writes: “What they knew, because they came from the business, is that what goes on a responsible network broadcast or into a responsible newspaper and how that news is played is determined, with rare exceptions, solely by the story’s news value. A story is newsworthy depending on how many people it affects and how deeply it affects them, and/or how close it happens to home, and/or how aberrational it is.” Emphasis mine. Seems the news he just mentioned, and is about to not mention, is fairly out of the ordinary. 3. He praises the sophistication of Teddy Kennedy. Cronkite doesn’t mention at all the Ted Kennedy news that the press chose to embargo almost from the moment it happened. 4. Carter read and remembered a lot when researching policies because he was smart. 5. Next page, Nixon read and remembered a lot when researching policies because he had an inferiority complex.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (QF8uk)

50

time to act

 

and go over the press's head

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (zOTsN)

51 Can anyone confirm that the Senate did, in fact, vote NOT to pay the military. If so, then--as I've said numerous times--we need to change the subject ASAP. Or in the parlance of beltway politics...pivot. Posted by: Czar Peter at September 30, 2013 02:54 PM (hMQKI) The bill to fund the Military is separate from the main funding bill. They have NOT voted on the Military bill as of yet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:55 AM (1RQeV)

52

I mean how grotesque is that? Who do you call your "rock" in every day life? A husband or wife? A parent? A close sibling or friend? Who the hell calls their colleague or co-worker their "rock?" It's disturbingly intimate in this situation.

 

I   was thinking  more    of   Reid's  intellect, as in "smart as a box full of," but that's just me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 30, 2013 09:55 AM (0HooB)

53 "On its face the storyline is Neutral."

Which is why I abandoned Politico for information almost the instant it was formed. Their heritage is WaPo stock. That is truly all one needs to know.

It's an outfit whose links/content I won't follow. Sure, one need acknowledge that a certain population will follow it just like a population still follows the MFM; but at least my personal knowledgebase isn't being contaminated.

But Gell-Mann Effect and all intrudes. And that's the best it can do. Consider how so much of its mistakes really aren't.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 30, 2013 09:56 AM (eHIJJ)

54 So again the dems response is: Our way or the Highway. Good fuck you, shut it down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:56 AM (1RQeV)

55 new MSM math - House GOP passes funding bill after funding bill + Senate Dems vote down each one + President refuses to negotiate = House GOP's fault.

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 09:56 AM (z3MpN)

56 "The House should now send a bill back forcing all Gov workers onto obamadeath and repealing ALL exemptions."

Yep. The 'everyone into the pool' option.

The unions and the government workers KNOW that Obamacare is a half-melted turd sundae. They're more than happy to force the rest of us to eat it as long as they don't have to.

Force the unions and the government workers to chow down on it too, and the chorus of voices for immediate repeal will grow hugely, pretty much overnight.

And, the polls show huge outrage among the general public over the whole special waivers for favored groups question.

Politically, 'everyone into the pool' is pretty much a can't lose for the GOP, and it's impossible to defend for Democrats. "Hey, they said they wanted this. Now they don't. OK, let's call the whole thing off."

Posted by: torquewrench at September 30, 2013 09:57 AM (gqT4g)

57 Actual footage of Harry Reid at work in the job he held before going to the Senate:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/r78bmc

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2013 09:57 AM (RD7QR)

58

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 02:54 PM (QF8uk)

 

Is Walter Cronkite dead yet?   If not, why not?   Isn't he old enough to be Vic's grandfather?

 

Fuck him in his withered fuckhole.   Never    met a  commie     dickface    he didn't like.   *SPIT*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:57 AM (4df7R)

59 It's the money. It's always about the money. Even if you say it's about political power, that's true only as far as political power is needed to get the money.

Even when the money runs out (Detroit!), keeping political power is only about keeping the power to secure the last remaining dollars.

If you want to say it's about being a celebrity, it's still about the money.
Altruism, ideology, it's about the money.

Posted by: Lewis Analytics LLC at September 30, 2013 09:58 AM (0tf8k)

60 What happens if we "shutdown" the government and nobody notices? 

Posted by: Mr. Mean at September 30, 2013 09:58 AM (Tlix5)

61 Been saying that about software for a long time but I think you get a gold star for making it a universal axiom. Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 30, 2013 02:54 PM (epxV4) I know somebody's gonna call me a racist, but I'm just sayin', humans, even the smart ones, are kind of stupid.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:58 AM (qyfb5)

62

>>>>Cloward and Piven. Bankruptcy *is* the plan of the left.

 

But it won't work because the Republicans will be the tax collectors for the Left like alw-

 

ooh, now I see....

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 09:58 AM (3ZtZW)

63

Now would be a good time to call Boehner's office and tell him to hold the course and that we approve.

 

I know,  I know, it's not the best plan of action, but, at  least it's putting the dems  on the spot. 

 

Might want to call McConnell's office too and tell him not to be such a pussy.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (gURHd)

64 Can anyone confirm that the Senate did, in fact, vote NOT to pay the military. If so, then--as I've said numerous times--we need to change the subject ASAP. Or in the parlance of beltway politics...pivot. Posted by: Czar Peter at September 30, 2013 02:54 PM (hMQKI) The bill to fund the Military is separate from the main funding bill. They have NOT voted on the Military bill as of yet *** Jamie Dupree clarified, on twitter, that although the bills were separate, they do not have to be voted on individually.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (DmNpO)

65

>>Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?<<

 

Because their Truth is lying.

Posted by: MacGruber at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (sWgE+)

66 "The House should now send a bill back forcing all Gov workers onto obamadeath and repealing ALL exemptions." *** they are sending back a bill with the 1-yr delay AND the Vitter amendment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (DmNpO)

67

send it back

 

shut it down

 

stop giving the press that much power

 

if it shuts down they will interview Cruz and the rest.  They will get heard.  They sky will not fall.

 

lets do this

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (zOTsN)

68 Time to launch the Cruz Missile in front of the cameras RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: Jmel at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (cfFqn)

69 "Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?"

Because we don't hang enough of them?

Posted by: mrShad at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (C5V36)

70 Being fully aware that I'm playing the role of Devil's Advocate Douchebag, I ask the following:

If you were in Harry Reid's shoes, why would you do any different?

The divisions within the GOP have become very public.  If Republicans are forced (by public opinion) to cave, those divisions get even wider.

Politically it's little skin off Reid or Obama's back if there's a shutdown.  Those most greatly affected are already inclined to side with the Dems.

And before anyone says "He's supposed to do what's best for the country", allow me a hearty LOL.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (SY2Kh)

71

>>Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?<<

 

"It's not a lie if   you really BELIEVE it."

 

-Postmodernist  asswarts, aka   the left

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (4df7R)

72 @ChadPergram  Reid: The Senate's bill is a short term extension. 6 wks. If we can't pass this we are truly entering a banana republic mindset. #fnpolitics

@ChadPergram  Reid: Give it a little bit of time and Obamacare is going to be supported by 90 percent of the people, just like Medicare #fnpolitics

@JonahNRO  No we aren't. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359652/opposing-obamacare-isnt-anarchy-jonah-goldberg … RT @politicoroger Majority Leader Reid: "We are talking about anarchy. They hate government."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (YjDyJ)

73
The bill to fund the Military is separate from the main funding bill. They have NOT voted on the Military bill as of yet

They'll kill that later on once the media is focused laser like on how obstructionist the House is.

Posted by: Your Immaculate Leader, The Preezy, Barky Obumbles at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (0IhFx)

74 Well this is bullshit:

"And so far, Reid is getting his way."

Really?


As so far, the Tea Partiers (and a vast majority of Americans) are also getting it their way: SCOAMF-care is unfunded.


Posted by: Carlos F. Danger at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (qxcKC)

75 Whispering Harry speaks softly and carries obama's dick.

Posted by: Havedash at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (F0WNa)

76 Jamie Dupree clarified, on twitter, that although the bills were separate, they do not have to be voted on individually. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:59 PM (DmNpO) That may be true, but the vote they just took does not involve the continued funding for the Military. Only the continuing funding resolution and the delay in obamadeath and the repeal of the medical device tax. So they did separate them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (1RQeV)

77

hollowpoint you hide

 

what. would. you. do.

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (zOTsN)

78 3 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid? Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 02:47 PM (GQ8sn) Anyone named Kennedy.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (da5Wo)

79 Off, stinky sock!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (0IhFx)

80 Who the hell calls their colleague or co-worker their "rock?"

Jesus?   Which make this usage that much more creepy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (/kI1Q)

81 I was thinking more of Reid's intellect, as in "smart as a box full of," but that's just me. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 30, 2013 02:55 PM (0HooB) My recent revision of that is "dumb as an empty cardboard box with the word "rocks" written on it in crayon."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (qyfb5)

82 ]And before anyone says "He's supposed to do what's best for the country", allow me a hearty LOL.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 03:00 PM (SY2Kh)

 

I don't think any of us expect Reid to act any differently.  Our sole concern is with how the 'Pubbies respond.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (4df7R)

83 Wile E. Reid, super genius.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 10:01 AM (LSJmV)

84 tommy vee if you are a paid troll, you are going to have to be more pithy, and fer fucks sake brief

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:02 AM (zOTsN)

85

The Everyone  Into the Pool Bill:   no person, group, entity  or association  shall be exempt from the ACA. This is to include all government employees.

 

Then watch the squirming on the left.

 

*Foghorn Leghorn voice*

 

"Why, my good man, you seem to want to have one law for yourself  and  another law for the good people of America.  Why don't you explain that to the  people?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 30, 2013 10:02 AM (0HooB)

86 58 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 02:54 PM (QF8uk) Is Walter Cronkite dead yet? If not, why not? Isn't he old enough to be Vic's grandfather? Fuck him in his withered fuckhole. Never met a commie dickface he didn't like. *SPIT* --- Pretty sure "Uncle Walter" is dead, as I offended a bunch of people at a different site several years ago for calling him a communist cocksucker over his misrepresentation of the Tet offensive.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 30, 2013 10:02 AM (/Crba)

87

Bosnia and Libya were noble efforts that had no  need for  Congressional approval or UN input.  And even though no specific threat or national interest could be stated,   the military actions  were  necessary.

 

Iraq and Afghanistan required extended debate and approval by Congress as well as input and approval by the UN.   Even though the threat was clear as they were  the  bases for direct attacks on America  and the national interests were obvious,   the military actions were questionable.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

88 EC - Baghdad Bob has more scruples than Harry Reid.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (JaA49)

89

hollowpoint

 

what. would. you. do.

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (zOTsN)

90 Sure, Reid is loathsome, but at least he doesn't stab his own constituents in the back.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (LSJmV)

91 He may be a pederast.  But he's my pederast.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (k3t+5)

92 >>Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?<<

Because they're not quite as devoted to The Truth as they'd like us to believe.





Posted by: tsj017 at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (4YUWF)

93 Is Walter Cronkite dead yet? If not, why not? Isn't he old enough to be Vic's grandfather? He died in 2009. Fuck him in his withered fuckhole. Never met a commie dickface he didn't like. *SPIT* Actually, he had a sort of opposite Gell-Mann effect going. He spent time in Moscow for the UP, and it was horrible. He still holds it against Eddy Gilmore of the AP for getting a Pulitzer for, basically, writing stuff so insipid that it wouldn’t be censored by the Soviets. He writes about how his assistants “could not wait to try to prove their loyalty to me by citing the disloyalty of the others.” “They drove me crazy.” And then correctly blames Stalin and the politburo for this behavior. Food was especially hard to come by because of Soviet policy. But he mostly blames the State Department for importing food for State Department employees but not for the press. That is, for not being communist enough… Note that I’ve not finished it yet, I’m about halfway through. I’m dreading his spin on the Reagan years.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (QF8uk)

94 we compromise!
Look at Al Qaeda and Al Nusra, Putin! Iran Funding Terrorists!!

But sorry Poor people we Won't compromise and Fund Your EBT or old people SS or Military families!

isn't this how They do it?
let's Do it!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (nqBYe)

95 In before the scorpion!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (evdj2)

96

Who the hell calls their colleague or co-worker their "rock?"



Jesus? Which make this usage that much more creepy.


 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 30, 2013 03:01 PM (/kI1Q)

 

 

True.      On all counts.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (4df7R)

97 "What happens if we 'shutdown' the government and nobody notices?"

That is, to be sure, one reason why liberals hate shutdowns, and talk about shutdowns as The Worst Thing Ever In All Of Human History.

The experience of going through a shutdown makes it clear to millions of ordinary citizens that many or most of the operations of government really are not essential for the continuance of normal daily life. Refuting a central tenet of liberalism.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Posted by: torquewrench at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (gqT4g)

98 That may be true, but the vote they just took does not involve the continued funding for the Military. Only the continuing funding resolution and the delay in obamadeath and the repeal of the medical device tax. So they did separate them ** If they are amendments to the bill, then killing bill kills the amendments.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (DmNpO)

99 The next house bill should defund Obamacare for the masses, but fully implement it for all federal employees with no subsidies, they can call its test run to see if it will work on a larger scale. The trial should be at least ten years before even considering it for public consumption.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 30, 2013 10:04 AM (Zswg6)

100 Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself


by shooting him 4 times

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:05 AM (8sCoq)

101

what. would. you. do.

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 03:03 PM (zOTsN)

Bitch about those that try to stop the train.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:05 AM (nqBYe)

102 Sure, Reid is loathsome, but at least he doesn't stab his own constituents in the back. *** See: McConnell, McCain, Graham, Corker, Isakson, Coats....

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 10:05 AM (DmNpO)

103 If they are amendments to the bill, then killing bill kills the amendments. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 03:04 PM (DmNpO) The bill to authorize the Gov to pay the Military is NOT an amendment. It is a totally separate bill

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (1RQeV)

104

Posted by: TommyVee at September 30, 2013 03:01 PM (ueDGU)

 

You have much to learn about the free market and capitalism as well as what the Constitution provides and  does  not  provide.     Discussing the matter with you at this time would like trying to discuss calculus with a 2nd grader.

 

And by you ,  I mean every other lefty troll that copies and pastes crap from today's talking points.    The parrot says what it knows but does not know what it  says.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (m2CN7)

105 You know, if we don't give the welfare monsters free healthcare, how will they afford their new gold iPhones?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (9cjF1)

106 hollowpoint lets the perfect be the enemy of the good.  all bitching. no movement.  I could get that at any junior high

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (zOTsN)

107 Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself


by shooting him 4 times

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:05 PM (8sCoq)



Well, they did stop him.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (GQ8sn)

108 OT.  For GGE, kbdabear, and bob in houston plus other gearheads.  I went and took a look at the XKE in daylight today.  One word - rust.

More information - http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2013/09/hidden-jaguar.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:06 AM (JaA49)

109 True. On all counts. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 03:04 PM (4df7R) Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is creepier than the Official Obama 2013 Calendar month of August. http://tinyurl.com/kqc6zzk

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (da5Wo)

110 This is how they get everything, mafia tactics. 

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (Nx76m)

111
by shooting him 4 times

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:05 PM (8sCoq)

Showing him how it's done.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (p7BzH)

112

 >>>>The Worst Thing Ever In All Of Human History.

 

Expulsion from Eden? Hellz naw. DA SHUTDOWN

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (3ZtZW)

113 If, as conservatives believe, markets are always the best tool for delivering optimum results, why do for-profit corporations, according to conservatives, deliver lies and bias?

Posted by: TommyVee


Category error and strawman.

No conservatives are calling for the regulation of media to correct any bias.

Further, Fox News demonstrates the errors of the MSM outlets obsession with left-leaning reporting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (ligos)

114 Prediction: Reid will eventually "compromise", giving Boehner and the rest of the Republican leadership some fig leaf of a meaningless concession, providing them with the excuse to do what they have wanted to do all along: cave.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (IN7k+)

115 I wonder why a public call for his excommunciation from his church aint being made. What pelosi is to catholicism, reid is to mormonism.

Posted by: fastfreefall at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (qnIhA)

116 101 Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself by shooting him 4 times --- *facepalm* This is apparently what the infamous "Bart takes himself hostage" scene from Blazing Saddles would look like today.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (/Crba)

117

"Perhaps the media reports Reid's "no compromise" differently because the normal compromise of legislative give and take is very different from compromising with extremist threats to damage the US and global economies. If Republican partisans do not understand the difference between negotiation and extortion"

 

 

"extremist threats"

 

"extortion"

 

GFY

Posted by: Beagle at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (sOtz/)

118 "Why is the first, second, and last utterance of an industry supposedly devoted to The Truth always a noxious lie?" Because we don't hang enough of them? ^^^^^ This.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (GjYxB)

119 I have a "friend" who's a pretty big time reporter. I'd bet that most people here have an article of his. He grew up in a lower middle class immigrant family. Did well in school. Went to a good college. In college was left-of-center, but not that political. Had aspirations of being a doctor or a writer. Pre-med weeded him out and he focused more on writing. He started hanging out more with writer groups in college. A lot of the literature and fine arts majors, especially the brightest stars, tended to come from wealth. As college wore on he adopted more of the beliefs of the dominant crowd. Worked for the student newspaper, largely staffed by left-wing activist types. After college he went to j-school. It was only after j-school that he turned into a hardcore leftists. Before that we could have political discussions and disagree and have a beer. After j-school it was impossible because he no longer would listen to anything I'd say, he'd just get angry and imply I was racist or morally deficient in some way. This obviously ruined the friendship. He's been very successful. On Facebook he's not shy about sharing his contempt for any conservatives or Republicans. He loves Obama and is proud to support him He thinks Obama has been too right-wing and caved too much to pressure by the war-mongering right. American has been great to his family. He and his siblings have all achieved a great deal of success. His parents did struggle as fairly poor immigrants, which he resents. Which is odd, since his parents escaped tyranny and certain death to come here. Their lower middle class American lifestyle where they were able to have a family and live to old age was far superior from the life they escaped. Nonetheless, my friend resented growing up lower middle class and his parents having to have lower class jobs. No idea how typical my former friend's experience is. J-school really changed him, but he was trending that way on his own.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 10:07 AM (ZPrif)

120 I haven't read all the comments yet but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at September 30, 2013 10:08 AM (evdj2)

121

>>>Bitch about those that try to stop the train.

 

WTF everyone knows you hafta pull that cordy thing to do an emergency stop

 

ooh, nevermind now I get it

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 10:08 AM (3ZtZW)

122 3 Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid? Posted by: EC My first mother in law. But only slightly.

Posted by: backhoe at September 30, 2013 10:08 AM (ULH4o)

123 Expulsion from Eden? THAT’S NOT HISTORY YOU RIGHT-WING CHRISTIAN NUTJOB!

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (QF8uk)

124 "He's my rock. He's my fortress. He's my deliverer. In him will I trust" Words of a praise chorus applied to Harry Reid by Seate Dems. Ewwwwwwwww

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (a4Omg)

125 Why am I listening to mike medved? He makes jwest look conservative

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (u0HjB)

126
109

That XKE would be an awesome way to very quickly run out of dough.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (ngk0T)

127 I also support 'everbody into the pool' strategy - it forces both the excluded to see their hypocrisy and influence and the DemocRATS to defend the indefensible.  Win-Win, unless Boner and McShite-stain would bandy the effort.

The main issue is the tarnished, even marred image of the GOP is pretty much unrecoverable. Its almost to the level of letting it go the way of the Whigs, and getting something else. But, all the RINOs would flock to that, and crap on the carpets.

So, we are stuck, with the Leftists, and our own Leftists -lites, weathering out one storm, waiting for the mammoth pending one...

Posted by: fred zeppelin at September 30, 2013 10:10 AM (zL/eJ)

128 hollowpoint

what. would. you. do.


You mean if I were Harry Reid?  Pretty much what he's doing now.

If I were running the GOP strategy?  I don't know anymore.  They (both the "Establishment" and the young conservative factions) have painted themselves in such a corner that I honestly don't know how they come out of this with anything remotely resembling a win.

At this point I guess I'd grandstand as loudly as possible and settle for some kind of minor, face-saving concession after a brief shutdown.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:10 AM (SY2Kh)

129 Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is creepier than the Official Obama 2013 Calendar month of August.


http://tinyurl.com/kqc6zzk

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 03:07 PM (da5Wo)

 

*SHUDDER*  Oh yes, I remember seeing that.   That's... "profane" isn't a strong enough word.    Nor is blasphemous.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:10 AM (4df7R)

130 "I’m reading Walter Cronkite’s A Reporter’s Life right now."

Lord, I would require anti-nausea meds. Intravenously. With a side of Val-U-Rite.

I can only imagine how preeningly self-congratulatory Uncle Walter is about how he declared the Tet Offensive to be proof that America was "mired in stalemate" in Vietnam.

Whereas a few years after the war, the North Vietnamese military leaders began to speak openly in public to Western reporters and analysts, and they fessed up that Tet had instead been a huge catastrophe for them. The media idiots like Cronkite had it all wrong.

One reason why Nixon after 1968 was able to implement "Vietnamization" and draw down U.S. forces was because the Communists had taken such a hugely unexpected shellacking during Tet. They admitted that it took until 1972 for them to build up enough combat capability to really mount serious operations against the South again.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 30, 2013 10:10 AM (gqT4g)

131 Sebelius says that people can go online and by health insurance like they buy a tv. I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (g1DWB)

132

Posted by: TommyVee at September 30, 2013 03:01 PM (ueDGU)

 

Because corporations are composed of humans.  Maybe you haven't noticed that little fact.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet - Get Your supplies for Opening Day of RINO Season here! at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (hLRSq)

133 You know who else wouldn't have compromised under Obamacare? Jack the Ripper.

Posted by: Fritz at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (UzPAd)

134 Why on earth do some people put soooo much stock in what their enemy thinks of them?  The MFM tells us, very loudly, who and what they are afraid of, and many on the right buy straight into it.  Think about it.  The very last thing the left wants is a strong leader who actually leads, has convictions that are not swayed by every commentary, and who will do what's best for America like it or not.  Why empower our enemy like this?  You might as well join them.

Posted by: Havedash at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (F0WNa)

135 If, as conservatives believe, markets are always the best tool for delivering optimum results, why do for-profit corporations, according to conservatives, deliver lies and bias?

Because the market is distorted.  All the news organizations are composed top-to-bottom of J-school grads who couldn't hack it in an intellectually rigorous field who want to "change the world".  So to a large extent the ratings and other market-forces inputs don't matter; anyone you replace your Democrat shill newsreader with is likely to also be a Democrat shill, and your competition is all Democrat shills too.  They all get the same emails from Journolist 2.0, Media Matters, OFA, the White House, and the DNC, and they all put the same spin on things. 

Now, if you *do* look at the market inputs, there's a very obvious preference for networks perceived as not Democrat shills: the ratings reliably show Fox orders of magnitude ahead in most time slots, such that reruns of O'Reilly routinely beat first-run MSNBC and CNN programming.  Normally that'd be cause for firing or at least retooling, but the rich plutocrats who run the networks are largely willing to play footsie with Democrats in hopes of joining the nomenklatura in our neo-feudalist future.  So they don't mind losing a little pocket change now in order to be a Friend of the Revolution later.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 30, 2013 10:12 AM (B/VB5)

136

This type of media narrative is the exact reason why the attempts to use the media to blame the Democrats are so damn pointless.  When 90% of the media votes for the Democratic Party, it is stupid to believe that you can somehow win a narrative war over who is to blame.  For the next month, we will be hearing how the Republicans did this and that to the economy, how they don't care about thousands of government workers etc. It is going to be a fucking replay of 1996.  Obama has an approval rating in the low 40s(if you discount the ridiculous Rasmussen polls showing him at 51% approval). Why in the fuck would the Republican Party do something that will only energize him and his supporters and make the public consider him the reasonable one when his approval is so low? We are going to go from stories about how he was already a lame-duck to bullshit how he is the "comeback kid" over a fight that will, in the end, do nothing to stop Obamacare. 

 

 

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at September 30, 2013 10:12 AM (9PYcd)

137

hollopoint you have loudly proclaimed at every opportunity how the dems are doing it right

 

of course I meant what would you do if you were leading the GOP.  You have no idea, because you are a dem.  Regardless of what you tell people, or even yourself, that is your belief system

 

you cant talk about what you do not know or understand.  that's why you only criticize, but never have any answer

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:12 AM (zOTsN)

138 >"I’m reading Walter Cronkite’s A Reporter’s Life right now."



see, that's where you went wrong

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:13 AM (8sCoq)

139
I like my Shameless a lot better with William Macy loaded up on coke and hooch.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 30, 2013 10:13 AM (ngk0T)

140 dem spouse, I don't give a shit  what we owe!
dem spouse, I want full funding of everything i want , tough shit if we go bankrupt! I'll let You worry about that, Do something to fix it! just give me what i want Now! or I will drag your name through the Papers and Tell everyone how you Hate our children and Wouldn't feed them, because. i . can. lol.


Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:13 AM (nqBYe)

141 As Washington barrels forward to the first government shutdown in 17 years on Tuesday, the wily Reid has taken the lead role in pushing a hardball Democratic legislative strategy that can be summed up like this: Make the Republicans cave.



Why shouldn't he wait for Boner to cave?  He's done that every time before.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 10:13 AM (zZbNF)

142 So they don't mind losing a little pocket change now in order to be a Friend of the Revolution later. --- The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy refers to those individuals as "a bunch of mindless jerks who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 30, 2013 10:13 AM (/Crba)

143

Just think, people.  Three years and three months more of this.  Even if we win in 2014, it only means more oppression through   administrative fiat.

 

I'm really starting to wonder if this nation  will actually survive this.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (gURHd)

144 >>At this point I guess I'd grandstand as loudly as possible and settle for some kind of minor, face-saving concession after a brief shutdown. I think they can still come out of this with a minor win. Pass a Vitter type amendment and attach it to the CR. Shove that right up Reid's ass and force the Dems to shut down the government because they won't allow government employees to eat the same shit they are forcing us to eat. I think the public would get behind that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (g1DWB)

145 I can only imagine how preeningly self-congratulatory Uncle Walter is about how he declared the Tet Offensive to be proof that America was "mired in stalemate" in Vietnam. Nah, he’s pulling the humble routine. Unless he has another chapter just on this (entirely possible, he jumps around in time a lot), he passed over it in a few sentences.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (QF8uk)

146 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (/PCJa)

147 Wodeshed, it would be an awesome way to burn through probably $30k to $40k.  But if it has that much rust showing, what lurks under the skin is probably far worse than IDLE would be to a human.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (JaA49)

148 JackStraw: "I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv."

There's a lot about tax law you don't know, and I'm just the person to keep everyone ignorant.

Posted by: Injustice Roberts at September 30, 2013 10:14 AM (eHIJJ)

149 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:15 AM (/PCJa)

150 Sebelius says that people can go online and by health insurance like they buy a tv.

I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 03:11 PM (g1DWB)


Buy health care?

 i thought it was Free!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:15 AM (nqBYe)

151 I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv. Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 03:11 PM (g1DWB) It's a tax!

Posted by: The Piss-Yellow Coward John Roberts[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 10:15 AM (qyfb5)

152 #BlameHarryReid

Posted by: Jared Loughner at September 30, 2013 10:15 AM (e8kgV)

153 Harry Reid is 73. So tell me, how come he is not a doddering old fool like he would be if he were Republican?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 10:15 AM (659DL)

154 Why shouldn't he wait for Boner to cave? He's done that every time before. *** I don't think he will this time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (DmNpO)

155 I don't have a word for it but the Bible does: Judges 10:14 "Go and cry out to the gods whom you have chosen; let them save you in the time of your distress.” I kind of hate hate to bring that up, and I wish harm on nobody. but this kind of thing cannot go on and on without a judgement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (a4Omg)

156

Hollowpoint - the small concesssion should be the 1 year delay in implementation of the ACA and removing the subsidies for Congressional staff.

I am not even sure they can abolish the medical devices tax without repeal of the ACA, since the tax would be used to fund the ACA.

 

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (z3MpN)

157 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 03:15 PM (659DL) Keeping up with little boys keeps me young.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (/PCJa)

158 Conservative groups advising Americans not to sign up for the Obamacare exchanges “are guilty of murder,” according to Maine independent Sen. Angus King.http://tinyurl.com/n5kzg9t

Really ratcheting up the rhetoric.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (Nx76m)

159

Sebelius says that people can go online and by health insurance like they buy a tv.


 

And how many     people   out there in the Great Unwashed Masses don't even realize they have to    buy it?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (4df7R)

160 I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 03:11 PM (g1DWB)


It's a tax!

Posted by: The Piss-Yellow Coward John Roberts at September 30, 2013 03:15 PM (qyfb5)

For Some people!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

161 Brandon why quote Douglas Adams?  Just ask the socialist Iranians after Ayatollah Khomeini took over.  Oh wait you can't because they were the first against the wall.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (JaA49)

162 I was unaware that there was a law forcing Americans to buy a tv.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 03:11 PM (g1DWB)

Secretary Syphilis is such a BSer

Posted by: Rurik the Damned at September 30, 2013 10:17 AM (e8kgV)

163 Flatbush Joe ---- Journalism school turns them all into left wingers because they worship at the alter of Woodward and Bernstein. To them Watergate is all about GOP = bad. The progressive/commie world view comes from living in an echo-chamber. Also, most people who go into journalism today are activists and true believers. Nobody who wants to make any money choses that a profession right out of school. And truth be told, most of the people today who make money in "journalism" were one-time political operatives.

Posted by: Czar Peter at September 30, 2013 10:17 AM (hMQKI)

164 hollowpoint just change parties.  be who you are

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

165 I don't think he will this time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 03:16 PM (DmNpO)

Caving is in the script, he's supposed to cave.

Posted by: powerful democrat spinners at September 30, 2013 10:17 AM (Nx76m)

166 dem spouse, I don't give a shit what we owe!
dem spouse, I want full funding of everything i want , tough shit if we go bankrupt! I'll let You worry about that, Do something to fix it! just give me what i want Now! or I will drag your name through the Papers and Tell everyone how you Hate our children and Wouldn't feed them, because. i . can. lol.

***

LOL and crying.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (XUKZU)

167 "Has there ever been a more loathsome person than Harry Reid?"

Reid, Pelosi, et al will someday die.

I'm convinced that McCain will find away to live forever and (get perpetually reelected) just to stick his thumb in our eyes for the rest of time just because of 2000.

Posted by: Shoot Me at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (qiXMt)

168

Conservative groups advising Americans not to sign up for the Obamacare
exchanges “are guilty of murder,” according to Maine independent Sen.
Angus King.http://tinyurl.com/n5kzg9t

 

See, this is why all of you should help me buy land in Maine.   Then we can turn    Maine into   a conservative sanctuary and kick out all the commie asshats like this douche.   Maine and New Hampshire together would be a sizeable chunk of New England real estate on which to stage a     comeback   against the   blue state bastards.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (4df7R)

169 >Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 03:15 PM (/PCJa)



you're late

see #28

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (8sCoq)

170

>>>Judges 10:14

 

Bible is like totes about Let Them Burn

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (3ZtZW)

171 Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:18 PM (8sCoq) I apologize for working at work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (/PCJa)

172 dem spouse, I want full funding of everything i want , tough shit if we go bankrupt! Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 03:13 PM (nqBYe) It's like everyone in the country has a shrewish wastrel of a wife that happens to have the IRS, DOJ, and an Army.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (qyfb5)

173 walrusrex,  haha, true though !

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (nqBYe)

174 I've heard around the water cooler that Harry Reid is a bit of a pederast.

Is there any truth to that or is it  actually a fact?

Posted by: Jaws at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (4I3Uo)

175 see, that's where you went wrong I’m writing a satire of journalism in DC. I need to know how they see themselves. And yes, torquewrench, the Val-U-Rite is coming in awfully handy. I’ve also read All Too Human (George Stephanopoulos), The Palace Guard (Dan Rather), The Powers That Be (David Halberstam), and, God help me, American Rhapsody (Joe Eszterhas). Link in nick if you want to see what I thought of them. One of the more “awesome” quotes I took from them, was from Stephanopoulous: “I was his altar boy, hoping to serve peace by serving my president.”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (QF8uk)

176

LOL and crying.

 

Same here. Willow,   you've met my ex,  huh?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 30, 2013 10:19 AM (0HooB)

177

Conservative groups advising Americans not to sign up for the Obamacare
exchanges “are guilty of murder,” according to Maine independent Sen.
Angus King.http://tinyurl.com/n5kzg9t

Really ratcheting up the rhetoric.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 03:16 PM (Nx76m)

 

 

you know, if a Republican said this...

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (z3MpN)

178 Wonderful, not. Harry Reid "No Compromise" caucus vs. Rand Paul "compromise" at some point caucus.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (MhA4j)

179 175 I've heard around the water cooler that Harry Reid is a bit of a pederast. Is there any truth to that or is it actually a fact? --- Not sure. I don't think they ever bothered to investigate that closely, much like the rumors that Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU in the 80s.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (/Crba)

180 shrewish wastrel of a wife that happens to have the IRS, DOJ, and an Army.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 30, 2013 03:19 PM (qyfb5)


lol i used spouse for a reason, (i went through a divorce)

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (nqBYe)

181 I don't think he will this time.

Boehner ain't got a full spine but the two or three vertebrae he recently found will enable him to shut down the "non-essential" government functions for a few hours.  After that, epic cave in as usual.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (epxV4)

182 If Satan had a son...

Posted by: Yujin at September 30, 2013 10:21 AM (uNd+K)

183 Wodeshed, it would be an awesome way to burn through probably $30k to $40k. But if it has that much rust showing, what lurks under the skin is probably far worse than IDLE would be to a human.

I'm thinking of a couple of recent "Wheeler Dealers" episodes where they had to replace the entire chassis (British-made cars in all cases IIRC too).  Of course, if they actually charged the equivalent value of Edd's labor to the budget on those shows that kind of job would be astronomical.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 30, 2013 10:21 AM (B/VB5)

184 Backwards we've all had good times, good times.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:21 AM (nqBYe)

185 Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 03:18 PM (3ZtZW) Well, not totes, :^) but there certainly is a lot of strongly worded judgement against idol worship, as well as some words about "Put not your trust in princes."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 10:21 AM (a4Omg)

186 Just spoke with Sen Hagen's office. She refuses to support the military CR

Posted by: Aunt56141 at September 30, 2013 10:22 AM (wcb4h)

187

>>>Conservative groups advising Americans not to sign up for the Obamacare
exchanges “are guilty of murder,”

 

So they're admitting now that they'll send SWAT teams to your door if you don't comply? Thought so.

 

I bet the cops will do it gladly, too.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 10:22 AM (3ZtZW)

188 BTW, you know my pet peeve?   News stories that include unnecessary  adjectives.   There's no need for the Politico author to describe     Hairy   Reed as "wily."   That's an    editorial comment masquerading as    neutral commentary.    And it is LEGION in    the MFM.         It's the same    thing you get     any time you hear a reporter refer to Ted Cruz as "the controversial Senator from Texas."       It's not their place to refer to someone as controversial.     It's not their place to refer   to the pederast Reid as   "wily."   They're there to write down things that happen, not embroider their stories with adjectival    asides.   It disgusts me.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:23 AM (4df7R)

189 Conservative groups advising Americans not to sign up for the Obamacare
exchanges “are guilty of murder,” according to Maine independent Sen.
Angus King.


And yet, King is a well known aficionado of Crush Porn.

Posted by: that guy from the internet at September 30, 2013 10:23 AM (evdj2)

190 Well, not totes, :^) but there certainly is a lot of strongly worded judgement against idol worship, as well as some words about "Put not your trust in princes." Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 03:21 PM (a4Omg) "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 10:23 AM (da5Wo)

191 lol i used spouse for a reason, (i went through a divorce) Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 03:20 PM (nqBYe) Yeah it certainly does "go both ways." I just happen to know someone who recently kind of got spent into a corner. Besides maybe I was thinking of Pelosi and Gillellellellebrand instead of Reid.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 10:23 AM (qyfb5)

192 Bill O’Reilly: I am not addicted to fame    http://tinyurl.com/kka9crm

loled, couldn't even read the article.  What, is he kidding?

Posted by: powerful democrat spinners at September 30, 2013 10:24 AM (Nx76m)

193 This is how you negotiate with shitstains like Reid. http://tinyurl.com/yj32ws9

Posted by: Iblis at September 30, 2013 10:24 AM (9221z)

194 I think they can still come out of this with a minor win. Pass a Vitter type amendment and attach it to the CR.

Maybe.  That might be a little too 'inside baseball' for the LIV crowd though.

Politically it would be difficult for the Dems to defend shutting down the government over their own perks.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:24 AM (SY2Kh)

195 Jonathan Strong ‏@j_strong 37m One reason GOP kicked staff out of mtg: they're talking about their healthcare! AAARRRGHH!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 10:24 AM (DmNpO)

196 Merovign in this case it could be  a Barak or a Michelle.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:25 AM (nqBYe)

197

hollowpoint

 

you still have not said

 

what would you do

 

specifically

 

any ideas?  enlighten me

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:25 AM (zOTsN)

198 Is there any other example in US history of a political party successfully using threats against the full faith and credit of the US government and threats against the health of the US and global economy to repeal an existing law?

Posted by: TommyVee at September 30, 2013 03:01 PM (ueDGU)

Full Faith and Credit of the US Government on a continuing resolution to further raise the credit limit because the credit card got maxed again?

Tommy, go home and get your fuckin' shine box



Posted by: Billy Batts at September 30, 2013 10:25 AM (aTXUx)

199 Just spoke with Sen Hagen's office. She refuses to support the military CR Posted by: Aunt56141 ------------------------- Yeah. I called her office last week. When I asked if she would vote against cloture for the CR bill (of last week), her aide began reading a bullshit prepared statement. I stopped her in mid-sentence, and repeated my question. When she daid that Hagan would vote for cloture, I expressed my strong opinion to the contrary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 30, 2013 10:26 AM (aDwsi)

200

Full Faith and Credit of the US Government on a continuing resolution to further raise the credit limit because the credit card got maxed again?



Tommy, go home and get your fuckin' shine box




 

Posted by: Billy Batts at September 30, 2013 03:25 PM (aTXUx)

 

 

*snigger!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:26 AM (4df7R)

201 default isn't even on the table Unless Reid puts it there.. fgs.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

202 >Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 03:23 PM (4df7R)


well, you expected a 'news story' from Politico?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:27 AM (8sCoq)

203 I'm thinking of a couple of recent "Wheeler Dealers" episodes where they had to replace the entire chassis (British-made cars in all cases IIRC too). Of course, if they actually charged the equivalent value of Edd's labor to the budget on those shows that kind of job would be astronomical. Posted by: Ian S. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That was a Morgan which has a wooden sub-frame. The Jag is a steel monocoque design, and known for sever, hard to repair rust issues. While beautiful, the E-Types were not good cars, particularly bad after the British Leyland takeover.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 10:27 AM (LSJmV)

204 The moral of this story is that if you outlast the Dems (who really don't have any backbone to start with) then you not only destroy Obamacare, you get Dingy Harry in the process, because they will blame him for the failure.

Posted by: Phelps at September 30, 2013 10:28 AM (1nFun)

205 facially neutral, discriminatory as applied facile prejudice

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:28 AM (MhA4j)

206 Ian S. Well Edd saves that show every time.  This would be a good car for them to go bankrupt over.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:28 AM (JaA49)

207

I've heard around the water cooler that Harry Reid is a bit of a pederast.

 

 

I've heard totes a pederast.

Posted by: Armando at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (5iuEW)

208 The Wiley Harry Reid:  The GOP wants to steal Grandma's dialysis machine and murder puppies.

GOP Messaging Spokesperson:  Nuh-uh.

Posted by: Fritz at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (UzPAd)

209

I don't think many people on our side get what Harry Reid is trying to do.  It's the same thing he has been trying to do since the Republicans took over the House in 2010. 

 

He is trying to force an irreparable split in the Republican Party. 

 

Now why would someone confident of his own party's leadership be so obsessed with splitting the other party? 

 

And why would the other party be so ready to do exactly what Harry Reid wants it to do - the ONLY thing that can keep him in power? 

 

When Republicans united on the debt ceiling in 2011, they won. 

 

We seem determined to push the splitting now.  Why?  All this does is help Harry Reid.

Posted by: rockmom at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (NYnoe)

210 hollopoint you have loudly proclaimed at every opportunity how the dems are doing it right

of course I meant what would you do if you were leading the GOP. You have no idea, because you are a dem. Regardless of what you tell people, or even yourself, that is your belief system


Thank you for your very valuable contribution to this thread, Little Miss 'Too dumb to consider the enemy's options'.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (SY2Kh)

211 Would Satan actually be a person? Kids went to Catholic school not me.

Posted by: nip at September 30, 2013 02:50 PM (jI23+)

 

At least according my (very Protestant) beliefs, yes, Satan is a person if by 'person' you include sentient non-human beings, such as fallen angels. If it helps, I doubt even he likes Harry Reid that much, either. The Prince of Darkness probably considers Reid a useful business associate, not a friend, and would be embarrassed to be seen with him in public. I mean, even the Devil has standards.

Posted by: troyriser at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (V9ol4)

212 They're there to write down things that happen, not embroider their stories with adjectival asides. It disgusts me. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 03:23 PM (4df7R) My very first ever "letter to the editor" was about peppering articles with biased terms - the people they supported "said" things, the people they opposed "claimed" things. The things they supported were "effective," the things they opposed were "entrenched." Et hoc genus omne. I actually started jounalism in school but it was clear if you were critical you were going to suffer. SHould have done it anyway, if we knew then what we knew now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 10:29 AM (qyfb5)

213 Democrats are only seeking to do what is best and pure and honorable and noble. Standing in the way of the ravening hordes attempting to thwart the ongoing march towards perfection isn't politics. Of course not. The only ones playing politics are those who are halting the March to Zion. I mean, duh.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 10:30 AM (VtjlW)

214 109 OT. For GGE, kbdabear, and bob in houston plus other gearheads. I went and took a look at the XKE in daylight today. One word - rust.

More information - http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2013/09/hidden-jaguar.html
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 03:06 PM

I could see a lot of rust in the usual places, especially where panels joined

It would probably need to be stripped, dipped, and who knows how much filler is under that paint

A good body man can replace parts of rusted panels, and hopefully a lot of that is just surface rust. If anything is rotted through, it's better just to replace the whole panel, fender, or "bonnet"

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 10:30 AM (aTXUx)

215 Has Harry Reid comment yet on whether he will be offering an Obamacare-compliant health benefits plan at his presumed boy-ranch in the Nevada desert?

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 30, 2013 10:31 AM (dltsq)

216 When Republicans united on the debt ceiling in 2011, they won.

We seem determined to push the splitting now. Why? All this does is help Harry Reid.

Posted by: rockmom at September 30, 2013 03:29 PM (NYnoe)


That's news to me, what did they win?


Because the way I remember it is they caved before any negotiations got started.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 10:32 AM (p7BzH)

217 Obamacare can never be allowed to go into effect. If the government shuts down Its on the senate and the president. This has to be the Gops single talking point. It stays shut until the donks/president cave.

Posted by: kreplach at September 30, 2013 10:33 AM (5PkZK)

218 "Allowing ObamaCare to go into effect would be like the Founding Fathers enacting a constitutional amendment specifically to protect and enable slavery." ~Proposed Republican Talking-point

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:33 AM (/PCJa)

219 Ace, you are our rock.

Posted by: shelby at September 30, 2013 10:33 AM (TKaeM)

220 Has Harry Reid comment yet on whether he will be offering an Obamacare-compliant health benefits plan at his presumed boy-ranch in the Nevada desert?

No need...they're gonna be on their mommies' plans for the next 15 years.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 10:33 AM (/kI1Q)

221 Ew-  Voice of Barbara Mikulski coming out of my radio- lamenting the butthurt that will ensue if the govt shuts down and thousands of govt employees discover they are 'non-essential'


So apparently we must fully fund Obamacare or some govt employees will get their feelings hurt


btw the spellcheck for my typo of Obamacare came up as 'macaroon'

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:34 AM (8sCoq)

222 But of course Whorehouse Harry would take the hard line against logic and against his own responsibilities. Obama boasts of such "persistence". They share the same parasitic deceit and conceit.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:34 AM (MhA4j)

223 Hey, the cops got to shoot a guy, and the guy who wanted to shoot himself got shot. Win-win, if you ask me. That he was a college student is lagniappe.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:34 AM (/lWM8)

224 My 401k is getting spanked right now.   I'm  sacrificing my part in this government shutdown standoff.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:35 AM (m2CN7)

225 Whorehouse Wily Reid, blowing himself up with his every effort, despite whatever intentions.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:35 AM (MhA4j)

226 OMG!  FNC has a "countdown to shutdown" clock.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 10:35 AM (gURHd)

227 Oops, forgot to reference the comment I was responding to in #224:

101 Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself   by shooting him 4 times
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:05 PM (8sCoq)

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:35 AM (/lWM8)

228 That he was a college student is lagniappe.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 03:34 PM (/lWM

 

what part of Louisiana  are you from?

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:36 AM (m2CN7)

229 I, for one, glee lustfully at the thought of Hairy Reed one day being pounded dry by the barbed cock of satan.

Posted by: Sponge at September 30, 2013 10:36 AM (xmcEQ)

230 I think we just shut it down until the next election, when Republicans have a Senate Majority.

We can then end the shutdown, get rid of Obamacare and let Reid go play hardball with himself in the corner.

I don't think the American people are that stupid. There is an element of Democrats entire strategy that requires a low profile. That enable the media to keep lying and covering for Democrat's failure and despicable lies.

Cruz helped shine the light of day on this entire sordid Senate despotism. Republican's, to their credit, have kept the profile high and hence more Americans are paying attention.

This is not very complicated stuff. Even the most simplistic voter knows that Obamacare is destructive and this government has done zero to help the economy- in fact the converse.

Like it or no- no matter how the media tries to portray their god-king as infallible, the president, no matter which party, gets the blame.

What people see  in Obama is what they see in their five-year olds; a petulant, incapable, child.

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 10:36 AM (GGCsk)

231

hollowpoint you make me chuckle

 

you think it is so hard to discern what the dems options are?

 

doesn't the press tell us every single day

 

you come here and recite the MSNBC talking points, and then pat your self on the back for your "daring to speak the truth" and your very deep heard it on teevee analysis

 

what would you do?

 

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (zOTsN)

232 This just in: Babs Boxer says shutdown part of war on women!

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (2vJ+h)

233 That he was a college student is lagniappe. Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 03:34 PM (/lWM ?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (bCEmE)

234 219. AllenG Hats Off!

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (MhA4j)

235 what part of Louisiana are you from?
Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:36 PM (m2CN7)


Lived in Mandeville for a while, across the Causeway. (newspaper and magazine editor)

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (/lWM8)

236 Suicide attempts are punishable by death.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 30, 2013 10:38 AM (ZshNr)

237

If MWR wrote GOP press releases:

 

"We are perplexed why Senator Reid and President Obama have threatened to vote down or veto any CR that includes a delay of Obamacare    implementation.  As was widely publicized in the press   just this past summer, the President himself    chose to pass an Executive Order delaying    the   implementation of the Employer Mandate.   Our CR would simply delay the implementation of the Individual Mandate, too, as it is the role of the legislative branch to make and amend laws. 

 

"We find it unusual that the President would choose to delay implementation of this law for only some constituents and not for all, and would balk at the Constitutional requirements of involving the Congress in any such action.   President Obama was, as has been widely publicized in the press, a lecturer on Constitutional law prior to his brief term as a Senator from Illinois.   Surely the President and Senator Reid understand the legislative process.

 

"To that end, we suspect that Senator Reid and President Obama have chosen to throw up this roadblock because they don't think our delay goes far enough.  We wholeheartedly agree, and that's why our revised CR will also include    an amendment that ensures that Congress and congressional staffers will    be   required to enroll in Obamacare's exchanges    next October, along with all other     Americans    who will lose their    individual or employer-provided coverage."

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:38 AM (4df7R)

238 The bill to authorize the Gov to pay the Military is NOT an amendment. It is a totally separate bill *** Actually, I think you are correct. I believe the Medical Device Tax was an amendment and the Military Pay bill was separate.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 10:38 AM (DmNpO)

239 >OMG! FNC has a "countdown to shutdown" clock.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 03:35 PM (gURHd)


sweet babbling little 8 pound 3 ounce baby jeebus


I wish I could watch when the clock hits zero and everyone looks at each other as nothing happens

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:38 AM (8sCoq)

240 156 FS -  At times I ponder what was going through Jeremiah's mind, as he is being led off to captivity.  Did he say "let it burn?" 

Moses got so frustrated he smote the rock and that kept him out of the promised land.  I could not have lasted half as long.

There are lots of examples of religious/political zealots giving themselves to the wrong cause: 1 Kings 22:11ff, they will even sacrifice themselves to prove their ideology: I Kings 18:22ff

Finally Hebrews 11 and how the world (which was not worthy :3 treated those that brought them the truth.

Posted by: AE at September 30, 2013 10:38 AM (sSKe8)

241 At a bare minimum, you could do away with 25% of the federal work force and not notice the difference. The amount of duplicity in the federal workforce is staggering.

Posted by: kreplach at September 30, 2013 10:39 AM (PVNda)

242 >That he was a college student is lagniappe.


is that like lasagna?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:39 AM (8sCoq)

243

>>>"Allowing ObamaCare to go into effect would be like the Founding Fathers enacting a constitutional amendment specifically to protect and enable slavery."

 

Yes. And it is the hill to die on. And, despite misgivings from the RINO caucus, if they do die its honorable and right. I'll respect that if it really becomes existential and they refuse to budge.

 

And I'm positive the Usual Suspects will do just fine absent the GOP. Our task to find Representation will take some doing, tho.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 10:39 AM (3ZtZW)

244 If Counter Trap wrote press guidance: We are disappointed that President Obama and Harry Reid have decided to tax dialysis machines, take away your health insurance, and kill American soldiers.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 10:40 AM (659DL)

245 OMG! FNC has a "countdown to shutdown" clock. Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 03:35 PM (gURHd) So does CNN.

Posted by: Sponge at September 30, 2013 10:40 AM (xmcEQ)

246 Country Squire took a peek at some prices for replacement Jaguar E Type parts.  The sub-frame that carries the engine, front suspension, and which the bonnet attaches to runs over 1.500 Pounds Sterling.  The dual SU carburetors - about $500.  So already knew this car would be financial suicide if really bad off.

kbdabear, after looking at a rolled and rusted out Series 1 being resurrected, the E Type has all the fiddly bits sheet metal complications as found on the Karmann built Karmann Ghias.  And only a body maestro should be allowed to tackle it.  Not the local demiurge of bondo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:40 AM (JaA49)

247 That he was a college student is lagniappe.


Lagniappe is extra.  Like the cherry on top. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:40 AM (m2CN7)

248 OMG! FNC has a "countdown to shutdown" clock. Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 03:35 PM (gURHd) So does CNN. Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2013 03:40 PM (xmcEQ) For crying out loud.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 10:41 AM (659DL)

249 hollowpoint

you still have not said

what would you do


I gave you an answer.  Your turn.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:41 AM (SY2Kh)

250 If you want to hear more ObamaCare is Slavery talk, pray for AllenG to win the lottery (Mega-Millions) tomorrow. At the very least, I'll force John Cornyn to the Right.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:41 AM (/PCJa)

251 248 That he was a college student is lagniappe.Lagniappe is extra. Like the cherry on top. Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:40 PM (m2CN7) I know what it means. So now we're for killing all college students?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 30, 2013 10:41 AM (bCEmE)

252 I bet the lights flicker on the CNN set at midnight.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 30, 2013 10:41 AM (ZshNr)

253 OMG! FNC has a "countdown to shutdown" clock.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 03:35 PM (gURHd)


They should play a crowd cheer/applause track when the clock zeros out.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 10:42 AM (p7BzH)

254 I bet the lights flicker on the CNN set at midnight.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 30, 2013 03:41 PM (ZshNr)

 

Pity the new fiscal year doesn't start on November 1st.   Then all this tension and  these    scare tactics could be playing out on Halloween.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (4df7R)

255 I wish I could watch when the clock hits zero and everyone looks at each other as nothing happens

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:38 PM (8sCoq)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

I'll be at work when it happens.  I wonder if my computer will go blank and then see a bright flash.  Jan 1, 2000 was such a letdown.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (gURHd)

256 101 Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself by shooting him 4 times Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:05 PM (8sCoq) -- CATO Institute quotes Center for Disease Control old statistic that American citizens are 8X more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist. "THE PERMIT" http://tinyurl.com/ktswons A work of fiction based on the actual events of Erik B. Scott's killing on July 10, 2010, in Las Vegas, NV. When Las Vegas police officers unwittingly gun down a West Point graduate and current covert operations agent, then try to cover up their crime, they unleash an asymmetric war with a federal "black world" agency. Author William B. Scott recently retired as the Rocky Mountain Bureau Chief for Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine. He focused primarily on advanced aerospace and weapons technology, business, flight testing and military operations, wrote more than 2,500 stories for the magazine, and received 16 editorial awards. He also co-authored the book, Inside the Stealth Bomber: The B-2 Story. Scott is a Flight Test Engineer (FTE) graduate of the U.S. Air Force Test Pilot School and a licensed commercial pilot with instrument and multiengine ratings. He holds a BS degree in Electrical Engineering from California State University-Sacramento. During a nine-year Air Force career, Scott served as aircrew on classified nuclear sampling missions; an electronics engineering officer at the National Security Agency, working space communication security programs; and an instrumentation and flight test engineer. He also worked as a civilian FTE/program manager and proposal group manager for three aerospace companies: General Dynamics, Falcon Jet Corp, and Tracor Flight Systems Inc.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (MhA4j)

257 Hey AllenG!!   That $189 million annuity is mine!  Need it to fix up this kind rusty XKE I just found.  That $189 million just might cover fixing it up. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (JaA49)

258 Being wily is a necessity in my line of work.

Posted by: Amber Alert Harry at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (dvRYt)

259 The amount of duplicity in the federal workforce is staggering.

ISWYDT.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2013 10:43 AM (evdj2)

260 I'm coming to the conclusion that America has no worse enemy than the liberal media.

Posted by: Meremortal at September 30, 2013 10:44 AM (1Y+hH)

261 is that like lasagna?
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:39 PM (8sCoq)


Yes, when it's properly seasoned with Liberal tears.

Tami: I could google it for you, but I'm enjoying making somebody else do what I have to do here at least a dozen times a day...

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:44 AM (/lWM8)

262 Is Bob Woodward falling out of love with Democrats? He says "history", by which he means everyone except the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, will blame Obama and Democrats for intransigence. http://bit.ly/GzyymJ

Posted by: MTf at September 30, 2013 10:44 AM (uRbX6)

263

hollowpoint you didn't say one policy you would change

 

at all

 

you are the one telling everyone within ear shot they are doing it wrong

 

rather than just criticize, what would you do?

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:45 AM (zOTsN)

264 Politico?  Biased?  OMG!

Who would have thought a bunch of second-tier media types who were charter members of Ezra "Goebbels" Klein's Journ-O-List propaganda ring dedicated to "managing" the news so people didn't get "confused by raw facts" would be biased?  Even though every major network and newspaper is already so in the bag for Obama they squint at the sight of light?

Great scoop!

Posted by: Adjoran at September 30, 2013 10:45 AM (473jB)

265 They should play a crowd cheer/applause track when the clock zeros out. Posted by: KG at September 30, 2013 03:42 PM (p7BzH) Crowd laugh track they used in the Scooby Doo cartoons when Shaggy said something stupid.

Posted by: Sponge at September 30, 2013 10:46 AM (xmcEQ)

266 >Damn- radio says cops prevented a CSU student from shooting himself


by shooting him 4 times

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 03:05 PM (8sCoq)



ironic that this happened on the last day of National Suicide Awareness Month

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

267

“He’s been the rock … and he’s had our whole caucus behind him,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.),

 

I bet you were first in line with your pencil dick at the ready.

Posted by: wth at September 30, 2013 10:47 AM (wAQA5)

268 Tami: I could google it for you, but I'm enjoying making somebody else do what I have to do here at least a dozen times a day...

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 03:44 PM (/lWM

 

Don't worry she says she knows what it means and that you are  apparently  for shooting college students. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:47 AM (m2CN7)

269 Here's something positive The “Pope of Life” John Paul II to be Canonized on April 27th The brietbart folks are doing a better job of running Gateway Pundit's site than they are their own site. I don't like the Breitbart site, I can't figure out if it's the graphics or something else.

Posted by: apple's number 1 fangirl at September 30, 2013 10:47 AM (Nx76m)

270 I gotta admit, back when I first read the word "lagniappe" (the Times-Picayune ran a regular column with that title), I guessed it was some sort of tripe recipe, maybe cajun blackened chitterlings or something equally inedible.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:47 AM (/lWM8)

271 Yay Florida!! Flashing brake lights leads cops to Mercedes where 'stripper was performing oral sex on the driver for $50'

Posted by: RWC - Bring on O-Care at September 30, 2013 10:48 AM (fWAjv)

272 This will always be a problem until the makers and the takers go their separate ways.

Posted by: Big Ben at September 30, 2013 10:48 AM (I5Htn)

273 Don't worry she says she knows what it means and that you are apparently for shooting college students. Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:47 PM (m2CN7) Ok, correct if I'm wrong.....'guy was shot by cops and

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 30, 2013 10:49 AM (bCEmE)

274

The  Virginia Tech   killer also wanted to kill himself and did but only after he murdered a couple  dozen people.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:49 AM (m2CN7)

275 >Flashing brake lights leads cops to Mercedes where 'stripper was performing oral sex on the driver for $50'


hey, "Florida Man" is back

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 10:49 AM (8sCoq)

276 273. When the little red hens come home to roost.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:49 AM (MhA4j)

277 ooops..... 'Guy was shot by cops and the good news is, he was a college student.'

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 30, 2013 10:50 AM (bCEmE)

278 This is why we primary RINOs.

Don't think for a seocnd the sellout wouldn't have happened a long time ago but for the realization a cave-in means a chance they won't even make it to the general election.


Posted by: Carlos F. Danger at September 30, 2013 10:51 AM (qxcKC)

279 Don't worry she says she knows what it means and that you are apparently for shooting college students.
Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:47 PM (m2CN7)


Ah, good. I was afraid my use of an obscure regional term was inadvertently masking my meaning.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at September 30, 2013 10:51 AM (/lWM8)

280 Only eighty cops killed by gun fire this year.   Down from last year. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:51 AM (m2CN7)

281 210-

You may be interested in continuing to service Establishment dick, but I'm not. My rep (Richard "Michael Arcuri" Hanna") has gone full retard and has finally admitted to vote Liberal. Starting this week I'm donating money to the local Democrat Party and sending him and the local Republican Committee the receipts. If I'm going to be stuck with a Liberal regardless of the party then I want the honest Liberal in, and the lying Liberal out.

I may never see a real Republican in my neck of Upstate New York again, but I'll be damned if I help any of the Establishment Republicans hold on to their bennies and unearned seat at the Congressional table just because they have an "R" attached to their name.

Posted by: Eric Allen at September 30, 2013 10:52 AM (7dW8g)

282 Only $50 for a Florida stripper? I gotta get out of the northeast!

Posted by: Elliot Spitzer at September 30, 2013 10:52 AM (YmPwQ)

283 Posted by: rockmom at September 30, 2013 03:29 PM (NYnoe)

^^^  What she said ^^^

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 10:52 AM (SY2Kh)

284 The Virginia Tech killer also wanted to kill himself and did but only after he murdered a couple dozen people. Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:49 PM (m2CN7) He did nothing of the sort. The GUN did all the killing.

Posted by: Sponge at September 30, 2013 10:53 AM (xmcEQ)

285 I sense a  disturbance in the force.  Are there psy-ops afoot?   Are we organizing for America again

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 10:54 AM (zOTsN)

286 Hey AllenG!! That $189 million annuity is mine! Need it to fix up this kind rusty XKE I just found. That $189 million just might cover fixing it up. Well, just know that when you win it, you're depriving the People of Texas from this debate line: "Senator, I'm not a politician, but I can recognize right and wrong. ObamaCare is wrong. So while you talk about politics, I think I'll focus on righting what's wrong."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:55 AM (/PCJa)

287 222 Ew- Voice of Barbara Mikulski coming out of my radio- lamenting the butthurt that will ensue if the govt shuts down and thousands of govt employees discover they are 'non-essential'


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Babs Mikulski herself practically defines 'non-essential'...

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 30, 2013 10:55 AM (dltsq)

288 In case you missed it, Willow- New Thread.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 10:55 AM (/PCJa)

289 polynikes Make sure to include references of the returned Veterans who've been terminated at home by misinformed police (wrong addresses, middle of night, police break in weapons ready, first thing shoot dead the homeowner as their priority) and innocent civilians who've been victimized by SWAT teams given false/malicious leads.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:55 AM (MhA4j)

290 He did nothing of the sort.

The GUN did all the killing.

Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2013 03:53 PM (xmcEQ)

 

I think with Ms. Puma's favorite gun also.   I better warn her. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:55 AM (m2CN7)

291 Make sure to include references of the returned Veterans who've been terminated at home by misinformed police (wrong addresses, middle of night, police break in weapons ready, first thing shoot dead the homeowner as their priority) and innocent civilians who've been victimized by SWAT teams given false/malicious leads.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 03:55 PM (MhA4j)

 

Why do I have to include non related facts in the statistic that 80 cops have been killed by gun fire this year so far?    I'm  not  a cheerleader for law enforcement but I also  acknowledge its a thankless and dangerous job much of the time.   One side bashing of the cops  deserves some balance.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 10:58 AM (m2CN7)

292 215 Lust is a TERRIBLE reason to buy a car, especially a bucket of rust.  Find one almost restored where the owner has run out of money and needs to sell cheap.  Like you would if you bought a rusty POS yourself

Posted by: DAve at September 30, 2013 10:59 AM (b7yum)

293 Hmmm, I thought Reid was a big supporter of labor unions? Hmmmm, I guess Reid does not want to help out the very people that put in DC? I think the next fundraiser for Reid should be interesting. I guess he knows he is a dead man walking so screw the unions is his attitude?

Posted by: redguy at September 30, 2013 10:59 AM (oqvI4)

294 281 Only eighty cops killed by gun fire this year. Down from last year. Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:51 PM (m2CN7) Another CATO statistical quote is that police are over 300X more likely to be found guilty of corruption than die in the line of duty. The Permit William B. Scott http://tinyurl.com/ktswons

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 11:00 AM (MhA4j)

295


Posted by: TommyVee at September 30, 2013 03:01 PM (ueDGU)

 

The Democrats had no problem refusing to raise the debt ceiling in order to cause the US to lose a war it was in back in 2006.

 

So go and play on the railroad tracks already.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet - Get Your supplies for Opening Day of RINO Season here! at September 30, 2013 11:00 AM (hLRSq)

296 292. Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 03:58 PM (m2CN7) Your previous comment. Given response, go figure.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 11:01 AM (MhA4j)

297

Another CATO statistical quote is that police are over 300X more likely to be found guilty of corruption than die in the line of duty

 

So there has been 24,000 corruption guilty verdicts this year so far? 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 11:02 AM (m2CN7)

298

So there has been 24,000 corruption guilty verdicts this year so far?

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 04:02 PM (m2CN7)

 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 11:03 AM (m2CN7)

299 292. 'Guy was shot by cops and the good news is, he was a college student.' 298. Read and weep.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 11:05 AM (MhA4j)

300 you are the one telling everyone within ear shot they are doing it wrong

rather than just criticize, what would you do?


What part of "I don't know" did you fail to understand?

Would you be happier with the stock answer around here, which is to vaguely say "FIGHT.  Have BALLS" and be applauded for it?

We're discussing an unsolvable problem.  Obama and Reid have the upper hand, with our side fractured.  This post expresses what people like me have been saying for weeks now- Reid isn't going to fold.  It's not the Democrat's best interest to do so.

For all the people here screaming that the GOP 'are doing it wrong', I haven't been seeing much in the way of plausible solutions either.  Because there isn't one.

Settling on an otherwise clean CR with the Vitter amendment (or something similar) isn't a bad option, though it probably wouldn't be enough to please the base.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 11:07 AM (SY2Kh)

301

Ace: "Let's look when the 'Compromise Is Bad' storyline is deployed -- It is only deployed when conservatives are standing firm."

Doesn't Ace mean "Compromise Is Good storyline," or "the Refusal to Compromise is Bad storyline"?

Insightful commentary, but I couldn't make sense of this one sentence.

 

Posted by: MySistersBrother at September 30, 2013 11:09 AM (khwNf)

302 ...Reid has taken the lead role in pushing a hardball Democratic legislative strategy that can be summed up like this: Make the Republicans cave. People will typically fall back on something that's worked before, and if the GOP had any smarts, they'd understand this and change their behavior accordingly. But they never catch on, and end up being put on the spot repeatedly...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 30, 2013 11:11 AM (vd7A8)

303 Cruz on cspan now saying military pay bill passed Senate and will go to WH for prez signature.

Posted by: Alf767 at September 30, 2013 11:23 AM (df8Sh)

304 Today the BroncoBamaCare exchanges are open for business! All you young punks need to start signing up now!

It's really pissing me off that the most popular question on healthcare.gov today is "How do I get an exemption from the fee for not having health coverage?" (www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/) and NOT "I'm young, healthy, and smart enough to know I can sign up later if I get sick, but hey, how can I sign up now anyway to help pay for all the old sick geezers that need it now?"

 So start clicking on the second question, morons.

Posted by: The Almighty Bronco Bama at September 30, 2013 12:15 PM (1I4sj)

305 Look, I know the unions are pissed about not getting their fix yet for BroncoBamaCare, but that's coming, that's coming.  Just wait until after the next elections . . .

Posted by: The Almighty Bronco Bama at September 30, 2013 12:18 PM (1I4sj)

306 Remember, mud spelled backwards is dum

Posted by: Bugs Bunny, to Wile E. Harry, Sooper Jeenyus at September 30, 2013 12:54 PM (nbGZj)

307 You folks just dont get how bad you come of on this. The economy is slowly grinding upwards, and all people see is fucking dancing Ted Cruz doing his best impression of the guy you always hated at school, the guy who was smarter than you but also somewhat of a sociopath. And he is fucking the economy to get his rocks of in front of the cameras. Its really bad optics, the republicans just dont look like adults anymore. "Lets roll!"????? Now you can scream troll.

Posted by: Fnord at September 30, 2013 03:21 PM (9RXii)

308 "The economy is slowly grinding upwards," Lol.

Posted by: cackfinger at September 30, 2013 06:36 PM (OsCtd)

309 http://tinyurl.com/n6sez4r

Funny, Ulsterman's Republican Insider thinks the tea party can be killed?  They really don't understand what the tea party is inside the beltway bubble, do they?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 07:14 PM (Nx76m)

310

BREAKING NEWS: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SHUTDOWN FOR FIRST TIME IN 17 YEARS.


http://tinyurl.com/cqaqg3z

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 07:17 PM (Nx76m)

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