March 30, 2014

Sunday Gun Thread
— Dave in Texas

Ok, what's this gun of the week? Hint: Confederate soldiers called it "that damned Yankee rifle that you load on Sunday and shoot all week".

Damn Yankee Rifle.jpg

Guns in the News: This was mentioned earlier this week, self defense with firearms on the rise in Detroit and the Police Chief approves.

Detroit Police Chief James Craig said at a press conference last week that in his 37-year career, he’s never seen as many homeowners defending themselves by shooting intruders. Craig told The News in January he felt the crime rate could be lowered if more “good Americans” were armed, because he said criminals would think twice about attacking.

“It does appear more and more Detroiters are becoming empowered,” Craig said. “More and more Detroiters are getting sick of the violence. I know of no other place where I’ve seen this number of justifiable homicides. It’s interesting that these incidents go across gender lines.”

He's very right and it's refreshing to see a police chief say so.

Ok this is an abbreviated gun thread because sunny and 72 degrees outside. Have a great weekend y'all. Gun answer below the fold.

That there is a replica 1860 Henry rifle. You might remember it from the movie Silverado, which is full of clichéd badassery.

"This oughta do."

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Posted by: Dave in Texas at 09:32 AM | Comments (139)
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1 My friend the 1860 Henry...

I am really wanting a .45 LC "transition model"

The Fact the magazine is attached to the bore increases accuracy over the '66 and '73.

Guns.....Guns

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 09:33 AM (TE35l)

2 Hah; I thought it was a Winchester.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 30, 2014 09:35 AM (T2V/1)

3 2 Vic at March 30, 2014 02:35 PM (T2V/1)

It's the Winchesters' grandpa...

hope all is well w/you and yours...

of curiosity is the rubber ducking of win 66s to stunt double as 1860 Henry rifles by simply removing the wood from the magazine guard.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 09:37 AM (TE35l)

4 In England if you even "wound" an intruder you could land in prison for a very long time.

Posted by: deepred at March 30, 2014 09:37 AM (RHYM4)

5 Folks have taken to calling Wilmington "Detroit on the Cape Fear" because of the jump in shootings, robbings, and stabbings. Unfortunate that we haven't seen the same response as Detroit.

Posted by: traye at March 30, 2014 09:37 AM (45T8k)

6 This poat would be 59% better if it included a video such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Lk0DZDaL8 In 1814 we took a little trip..

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at March 30, 2014 09:38 AM (r7KQ4)

7 I have a Henry repeater 22 rifle that is the best 22 rifle I've ever shot. So easy and smoothe.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at March 30, 2014 09:38 AM (GKF3X)

8 Cabela's still has that damn Nazi-marked Radom Vis in the case taunting me.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 30, 2014 09:39 AM (celt+)

9 What's a big seller in England, Aluminum baseball bats. Do they play baseball in England? NO. But at least they haven't outlawed them yet. At least until a home invader gets his skull split open.

Posted by: deepred at March 30, 2014 09:41 AM (RHYM4)

10 Guns N Boobs http://www.pinterest.com/pin/309341068125672591/

Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2014 09:43 AM (aTXUx)

11 http://www.pinterest.com/pin/309341068125672591/ Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2014 02:43 PM (aTXUx) She's about to blow her face off.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 09:44 AM (GEICT)

12 We took a little bacon and we took a little beans..

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at March 30, 2014 09:44 AM (r7KQ4)

13 My father just picked up a Henry Big Boy in .45 Colt about a month ago. Can't wait to get a chance to shoot it.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 09:44 AM (TI3xG)

14 1000 yard shot with .50 Cal from standing position. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3BUnHiv6AA

Posted by: .87c at March 30, 2014 09:44 AM (qZPXs)

15 At bearing arms, the story of the latest goblins shot in Detroit has a great comment from a Detroiter, he basically says "to the criminals of Detroit, all the cowards have fled, those of us left here choose to defend ourselves, our homes and our families." http://preview.tinyurl.com/ol4s582

Posted by: traye at March 30, 2014 09:45 AM (45T8k)

16
She's about to blow her face off.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 02:44 PM (GEICT)


it's okay, she likes it in the face

Posted by: The Dude at March 30, 2014 09:45 AM (bStrg)

17 13 My father just picked up a Henry Big Boy in .45 Colt about a month ago. Can't wait to get a chance to shoot it. Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 02:44 PM (TI3xG) I saw Henry Big Boy in .45 Colt open for Alice in Chains at the Universal Ampitheater in '95

Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2014 09:47 AM (aTXUx)

18 OT I got a new Motorola modem and my internet is four times faster at least. How dat be?

Posted by: Beto at March 30, 2014 09:47 AM (/vO0r)

19 4 In England if you even "wound" an intruder you could land in prison for a very long time.


Posted by: deepred at March 30, 2014 02:37 PM (RHYM4)


I'm genuinely surprised that the same can't be said for Detroit. Punishing the those who practice--or prepare themselves for--self defense is a common trait within left-wing shit-holes.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at March 30, 2014 09:48 AM (M5T54)

20 14 1000 yard shot with .50 Cal from standing position. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3BUnHiv6AA Posted by: .87c at March 30, 2014 02:44 PM (qZPXs) Holy shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 09:48 AM (GEICT)

21 it's okay, she likes it in the face Posted by: The Dude at March 30, 2014 02:45 PM (bStrg) That costs extra.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 09:49 AM (GEICT)

22 England's law has become unjust. It makes me so angry to think about, so I try not to think about it. Tony Marten shot two intruders, was jailed for several years as a consequence. Now, he's facing intruders again, and is scared to take action because of the law. http://tinyurl.com/knj52ov Good work, law!

Posted by: .87c at March 30, 2014 09:49 AM (qZPXs)

23 Where's Lauren??? We still on for pew, pew Wednesday? If you are, look for the place on your right, it will be just a little past the Val-u-Rite Market, not kidding. I'm thinking around 10ish unless you want to met for coffee and discuss stuff first since it's your first time and all. 😳

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 09:54 AM (PGO8C)

24
That costs extra.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 02:49 PM (GEICT)


no problem paying extra if she swallows it

Posted by: The Dude at March 30, 2014 09:55 AM (bStrg)

25 no problem paying extra if she swallows it Posted by: The Dude at March 30, 2014 02:55 PM (bStrg) I ain't paying extra for that. Plenty that'll do that for free.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 09:56 AM (GEICT)

26 20

Holy fuckin' shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 30, 2014 02:48 PM (GEICT)


Fixed.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at March 30, 2014 09:57 AM (M5T54)

27 I thought that was a Spencer rifle in Silverado, but I checked and you're right. I was probably thinking of Unforgiven. Last year's NHK "Taiga" historical drama series "Yae no Sakura" featured a Spencer rifle in the hands of the central character, a woman from a family of riflemen living through the Boshin War.

Posted by: Socratease at March 30, 2014 10:01 AM (2GbWn)

28 I ain't paying extra for that. Plenty that'll do that for free.>>

Yes I'm paying for removal how the woman I contract that job to deals with disposal is inconsequential.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 10:02 AM (TI3xG)

29 18 OT I got a new Motorola modem and my internet is four times faster at least. How dat be? Posted by: Beto "Because you upgraded from the cans and string." Sorry, it was a hanging curve, that and I used to work for Motorola doing support and testing of their modems.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at March 30, 2014 10:03 AM (baiNQ)

30 4 In England if you even "wound" an intruder you could land in prison for a very long time.

Posted by: deepred at March 30, 2014 02:37 PM (RHYM4)


In Texas doesn't that (wound) mean 'dead'

Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 10:05 AM (15qFH)

31 Trap Shooting Beecomes Minnesota's Fastest Growing High School Sport http://t.co/lMLr6rYfEX

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:08 AM (zpNwC)

32 You didn't even take the time to steal the concealed carry hero story from Hot Air? Now that's just being lazy.

Posted by: JohnJ at March 30, 2014 10:08 AM (TF/YA)

33 Heart warming story at Hotair this morning:

Video: Gunman invades Dollar General, meets concealed carry permit holder

The incident occurred when Dallas County resident Kevin Mclaughlin entered Dollar General reportedly waving a pistol in the air, Huffman said. Mclaughlin then ushered a group of people inside the store into a break room.

“It appears that once the cashier got inside the break room, a customer that was walking into the break room shot the individual, the white male, with the pistol,” Huffman said. “There was only one shot fired and that shot struck the individual with the pistol causing the disturbance.”



The lesson for other states, courtesy of District Attorney Michael Jackson

In Alabama you have the right of self defense of yourself or of a third party. So when the perpetrator went in there with a gun, waving the gun, anybody in there had the right to use deadly force. So that’s what happened and he actually was a Good Samaritan in this situation.  

Linky in sock

Posted by: Charleton Heston at March 30, 2014 10:09 AM (kFxpe)

34 Folks have taken to calling Wilmington "Detroit on the Cape Fear" because of the jump in shootings, robbings, and stabbings. I'm looking pretty seriously into coastal NC. Do you mind taking a minute and telling me more about what kind of people are engaging in this kind of mayhem?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 10:10 AM (oGrEy)

35 Soothsayer, this version was made by a schoolgirl for her American Culture class. Clever use of pictures and graphics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUu249jSprw

Posted by: Retread at March 30, 2014 10:11 AM (cHwk5)

36 The Golden State Gun Control Honor Roll Recipient Fall from Grace http://tinyurl.com/m2b74dy

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:13 AM (zpNwC)

37 34 pretty much (not 100% though) aspiring rappers who are turning their life around. They seem to be taking each other out on the regular though.

Posted by: traye at March 30, 2014 10:15 AM (45T8k)

38 33 Nice shooting Tex.

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:16 AM (zpNwC)

39 The Jimmy Horton version? Ha, I just watched it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at March 30, 2014 10:16 AM (r7KQ4)

40 I'm looking pretty seriously into coastal NC. Do you mind taking a minute and telling me more about what kind of people are engaging in this kind of mayhem?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 30, 2014 03:10 PM (oGrEy)



Southport is a better place to live in that area.  It is near Wilmington and smaller/less crime.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 30, 2014 10:17 AM (T2V/1)

41 Who's shot a derringer? what gauge and are they accurate past 1 foot? recoil?

Thanks...

Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 10:18 AM (15qFH)

42 There's still people in Detroit? huh.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 10:21 AM (x3YFz)

43 pretty much (not 100% though) aspiring rappers who are turning their life around Thanks for that. I found a nice quiet little community in NC that has everything I'm looking for, then Wiki'd the demographics. 99.4% of the non-violent, non-rapping, melanin challenged persuasion. Sorta surprised about Wilmington. I'm knocking that one off the short list. If I wanna get stabbed I can venture into Philly any night (or day) of the week.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 10:22 AM (oGrEy)

44 9th Circuit Upholds Storage Requirement & Hollow Point Ban http://t.co/R5WDn1OZLx

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:22 AM (zpNwC)

45 Took a CCW course along with the wife (it was her Christmas present) Trying to decide whether to get one again. I let mine lapse because I got pulled over for speeding, first thing the cop asks is if I have my weapon with me. After seeing that Md stuff I am not sure.

Posted by: blaster at March 30, 2014 10:22 AM (4+AaH)

46 I always enjoy reading the comments on those self-defense articles with the self-righteous progressives bewailing the fact other people aren't willing to die for their anti-gun beliefs.

Posted by: bhoddisatva at March 30, 2014 10:22 AM (wy4YH)

47 derringers made more sense in the black powder days I think

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 30, 2014 10:23 AM (KgN8K)

48 Yeah, it's the Johnny Horton version but I hope the girl that did the video got extra points for her representation of 'squirrel gun'  and 'gator lost his mind.'

Posted by: Retread at March 30, 2014 10:24 AM (cHwk5)

49 CA keeps legislating, gun owners keep innovating. The ARMagLock turns your firearm into a “fixed magazine” firearm that cannot release the magazine unless you pull the takedown pin, and separate the upper and lower receivers, thus “disassembling” the firearm action. Once the receivers are minimally separated, the ARMagLock can be engaged to release the magazine.” http://tinyurl.com/l5cq46z

Posted by: RWC at March 30, 2014 10:25 AM (QeH9j)

50 41 Who's shot a derringer? what gauge and are they accurate past 1 foot? recoil? Thanks... Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 03:18 PM (15qFH) Never did go for one. It's a backup to the backup and if things are that bad... eh... knife time. just never saw the point of it as a defense tool.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 10:25 AM (x3YFz)

51 35 Soothsayer, this version was made by a schoolgirl for her American Culture class. Clever use of pictures and graphics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUu249jSprw Posted by: Retread at March 30, 2014 03:11 PM (cHwk5) ---------- Nice graphic for the squirrel gun!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 30, 2014 10:26 AM (QBm1P)

52 Who needs a gun when you have a stimulated goat as a weapon?

Posted by: War Pug at March 30, 2014 10:26 AM (vFh9Q)

53 BILL MAHER: Then why doesn’t your party come out against the Second Amendment? It’s the problem. REP. KEITH ELLISON (D., MINN.): Bill, I sure wish they would. I sure wish they would. http://tinyurl.com/lmyhlll

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:28 AM (zpNwC)

Posted by: backhoe at March 30, 2014 10:29 AM (ULH4o)

55 Doesn't Bill Maher have guards to protect him against tranny hooker exes?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 30, 2014 10:30 AM (QBm1P)

56 Forget the Derringer...get a .38 Smith & Wesson Airweight....small, light and able to shoot 5 Gobilns before they get a recording contract. Plus get your CCW and practice, practice, practice with range time and dry firing. Don't wait for Chief No Nuts of the Local PoPo as most cops are criminals with badges anyways.

Posted by: IrishEd at March 30, 2014 10:30 AM (bfm04)

57 got a gun show coming up, not sure I want to go. not looking for anything, but hanging out might be OK.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 30, 2014 10:30 AM (KgN8K)

58 Isn't that rich? A midget totalitarian comedian discussing the need for total gun control...with an Al Qaeda supporter.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at March 30, 2014 10:31 AM (r7KQ4)

59 Never did go for one. It's a backup to the backup and if things are that bad... eh... knife time.

just never saw the point of it as a defense tool.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 03:25 PM (x3YFz)


Makes sense...good knife always does that close in. thanks..

Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 10:32 AM (15qFH)

60 A derringer? Not accurate beyond point blank range.

Posted by: navybrat at March 30, 2014 10:32 AM (JgC5a)

61 I always enjoy reading the comments on those self-defense articles with the self-righteous progressives bewailing the fact other people aren't willing to die for their anti-gun beliefs. Every stinking morning my wife turns on the 'local' news, which is out of Philadelphia. It appears that the Philly bad peeps have taken to knifing the shit out of people, every night, every day. Not much in the way of shootings, just stick somebody in the rib cage and walk away with their wallet or purse. Meanwhile the progressives have some wet dream that taking a gun away from everyone is going to make the streets safer. And for the children. OJ Simpson didn't need a gun to get away with murder.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 10:33 AM (oGrEy)

62 I want to thank President Obama for doing everything possible to stop garbage like this and to put more dedication into children's education, diet, and healthcare.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at March 30, 2014 10:34 AM (iB0Q2)

63 56 Forget the Derringer...get a .38 Smith & Wesson Airweight....small, light and able to shoot 5 Gobilns before they get a recording contract.
Plus get your CCW and practice, practice, practice with range time and dry firing. Don't wait for Chief No Nuts of the Local PoPo as most cops are criminals with badges anyways.

Posted by: IrishEd at March 30, 2014 03:30 PM (bfm04) 


Have the ruger lcr for me and Mrs. G. Great gun even with +p, then baby glock 26 and glock 23. just wondering. thanks all. 357 derringer backhoe? Yikes! lol.



Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 10:35 AM (15qFH)

64 game thread

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 30, 2014 10:37 AM (T2V/1)

65 41 As far as I am aware, there is a universal consensus that derringers are overpriced, overweight, under-capacity, inaccurate, and hard to shoot. Other than that they are great. You want something small? Get a Kel-Tec P-3AT (380 auto) or something similar. Want something tiny? Get a Kel-Tec P-32 or something similar.

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:38 AM (zpNwC)

66 REP. KEITH ELLISON (D., MINN.): Bill, I sure wish they would. I sure wish they would. The same Keith Ellison who was sworn into office by placing his hand on the quran* wants to disable the second amendment? Knock me over with a spoon. * Get this. Imma gonna cut n' paste from Snopes: Accordingly, although Ellison was not technically sworn in with the Quran, after the official swearing-in ceremony he posed for photographs with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, both of them posed with their hands upon a copy of the Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 10:41 AM (oGrEy)

67 Siverado: -------------- Paden: You're wearing my hat. What else you got that's mine? Man at card game: Mister, I don't know what you're talkin' about. Paden: I hope your fingers aren't tickling my ivory-handled Colt. Stand up real slow and you just might live through this night.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 30, 2014 10:41 AM (aDwsi)

68 "Do you know what a Henry rifle can do in the hands of someone who knows how to use it?" ...love Silverado, love Mal's dad.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 10:41 AM (BVsmd)

69 Who needs a gun when you have a stimulated goat as a weapon? Posted by: War Pug at March 30, 2014 03:26 PM (vFh9Q) Rabid badger, version 3.8. Carry one everywhere you go.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 10:42 AM (x3YFz)

70 Who's shot a derringer? what gauge and are they accurate past 1 foot? recoil? Posted by: Guido at March 30, 2014 03:18 PM (15qFH) I had a Bond Arms derringer in .357. The recoil was not unmanageable, and the round did a lot of damage, even from that short barrel. Accuracy, however, was terrible. Just out of handshake range, the gun would put 1 round in the target's hip and another over his shoulder.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 30, 2014 10:42 AM (T1Jm0)

71 as a black powder kit build a derringer might be fun. make a replica of the one that shot Lincoln maybe

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 30, 2014 10:42 AM (KgN8K)

72 68 "Do you know what a Henry rifle can do in the hands of someone who knows how to use it?" ...love Silverado, love Mal's dad. Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 03:41 PM (BVsmd) Drop a coyote, straight through the heart, at 80 yards at a dead run out of the front door of mom's house on christmas morning? Ok... bragging a little bit, but did make that shot. mom was pissed.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 10:44 AM (x3YFz)

73 the gun would put 1 round in the target's hip and another over his shoulder. Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 30, 2014 03:42 PM (T1Jm0) ...and why you don't use one. Aim for the ski mask guy from behind the rack of Cheetos and hit some kid riding by on a bike. Many way better alternatives. I have a .45, 10 rounds, just a bit larger than my wallet.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 10:48 AM (x3YFz)

74
Mclaughlin then ushered a group of people inside the store into a
break room.









If a goblin is trying to cram people into a room without an escape, he's looking to easily eliminate witnesses, e.g. fish in a barrel.

Same thing with being accosted on the street, NEVER get in the goblin's car or let him take you down a dark alley. Better to be shot on the street and get it over with quickly than suffer though hours/days of rape, torture and degradation before death.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 30, 2014 10:48 AM (AHzA7)

75 "....get it over with quickly than suffer though hours/days of rape, torture and degradation before death."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 30, 2014 03:48 PM (AHzA7)

Ah....the Obama presidency.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 30, 2014 10:51 AM (QFxY5)

76 Or you can get a Derringer Knife.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/56/lid/1078

Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 10:52 AM (TI3xG)

77 1000 yard shot with .50 Cal from standing position. --------------- Well, that was pretty f'kng impressive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 30, 2014 10:52 AM (aDwsi)

78 If a goblin is trying to cram people into a room without an escape, he's looking to easily eliminate witnesses, e.g. fish in a barrel. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 30, 2014 03:48 PM (AHzA7) Or he wants to lock them in to make for an easy escape. Of course, not being mind readers, people pretty much have to assume the worse case scenario that they are about to be slaughtered.

Posted by: BornLib at March 30, 2014 10:55 AM (zpNwC)

79 Drop a coyote, straight through the heart, at 80 yards at a dead run out of the front door of mom's house on christmas morning? Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 03:44 PM (x3YFz) ...great story!...how old were you?

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 10:56 AM (BVsmd)

80 15 At bearing arms, the story of the latest goblins shot in Detroit has a great comment from a Detroiter, he basically says "to the criminals of Detroit, all the cowards have fled, those of us left here choose to defend ourselves, our homes and our families." Posted by: traye at March 30, 2014 02:45 PM (45T8k) By "cowards" he meant "those smart enough to GTFO?"

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:01 AM (x3YFz)

81 My apologies to everyone in advance for the overly long reply to Beto's OT question.

OT
I got a new Motorola modem and my internet is four times faster at least. How dat be?


Beto,

I'm guessing cable modem.

"Channel bonding" lets the modem and the upstream provider figure out which of the channels available to you are the least congested and send the data on those channels.  This is a feature of the newer cable modems that support the DOCSIS 3.0 standard.  Depending on the model you bought, you could have anywhere between 4 and 8 downstream channels to choose from.  Also, as the name "channel bonding" implies, the data can be sent on multiple channels simultaneously.

TL;DR, your internet connection should be faster, your new modem has more tubes.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 30, 2014 11:02 AM (0AKks)

82 Good afternoon, Morons!

I'm thinking about getting a new pistol.  I'm not happy with the performance of mine (Walther PK 380) and I have yet to be able to rectify the issues (repeated fail to load issues, casings eject back into my face).  Basically, I don't trust it in the one and only situation I plan on needing it for, which is self-protection.  I also don't like the weight of it, finding it to be a bit too light for my personal taste.

So, what I'm looking for is something that is heavier (I like the weight of my husband's Beretta PX4 .40) but with a grip to fit my little hands.  I don't need a compact weapon, don't have a CHL.

Any recs so I can narrow things down when I go looking?

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 11:02 AM (GrtrJ)

Posted by: backhoe at March 30, 2014 11:04 AM (ULH4o)

84 ...great story!...how old were you? Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 03:56 PM (BVsmd) mmm I was home on leave... (thinking)... 29? and for the record, I took no pleasure in it. The coyotes had become a direct threat to our cattle and critters.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:06 AM (x3YFz)

85 I just bought my wife a Sand W airweight. She tried a semi but it was too fiddley. She once got her finger pinched by the bolt and that was it. Double action wheel guns rule. If you don't shoot one for a year you just pick it up and get to work.

Posted by: sourdough at March 30, 2014 11:10 AM (d1QaV)

86 that rifle reminds me of the Winchester 30 30. Lever action. There's something special about that rifle.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:12 AM (x3YFz)

87 DangerGirl:  I'm partial to S+W revolvers, various automatics in 9 Makarov and Spanish guns like Astras.  I also have large hands, I can break walnuts with my fingers and I am cheap and generally odd - so my picks may not suit you.  It is going to be a choice between what you can shoot well, what you can handle, what feels good in your hands and what  you can afford.  If you can afford it, get a Sig.  If you can't try a Smith.  If you can handle it, get a FEG PA-63 in 9 makarov.
And get that CHL if you can at all swing it.

Posted by: Kindletot at March 30, 2014 11:13 AM (LRUgq)

88 Sold one to my step brother $750...shot 3' left at 50 yds

Posted by: nuk3dawg at March 30, 2014 11:13 AM (VrlKu)

89 85?

Posted by: sourdough?

Yep- 'make a fist, and shoot."


Posted by: backhoe at March 30, 2014 11:14 AM (ULH4o)

90 9 makarov. And get that CHL if you can at all swing it. Posted by: Kindletot at March 30, 2014 04:13 PM (LRUgq) I try to avoid gun recommendations, but I gotta say a makarov is a weapon I own and wouldn't recommend to the average woman. Too long and too hard of a pull on the double action and can be awkward. YMMV, and it's why I don't often comment on gun choices. Just not a pistol I'd hand someone who didn't have a lot of experience with it.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:20 AM (x3YFz)

91 Does this belong on this thread or the gaming thread since I missed the gardening thread yesterday? I stepped on my back porch to plant some seeds, rake leaves, prep my new raised beds, etc. because of the elevation of my yard I'm higher up than one neighbor and can see down into their backyard. Our houses aren't too close but line of sight and all that, anyhoo, I hear young voices and glance over. Their teenage son has some friends over and one of them is in a tutu...did I mention they are all boys. I didn't laugh, I could tell they were waiting for a reaction. I think it was a joke thing or maybe a drama club thing since one of them had a camera, the parents are home so it can't be too crazy. They aren't really that strange in general. So, I'm filing this under Guns and Gardens... Fairy gardens are a thing now. What the hell am I talking about. I sound drunk, don't I?

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 11:27 AM (PGO8C)

92 Does this belong on this thread or the gaming thread since I missed the gardening thread yesterday?
Did you lay down suppressive fire?

Posted by: fluffy at March 30, 2014 11:32 AM (Ua6T/)

93 By "cowards" he meant "those smart enough to GTFO?"

Not one of your shining moments of glory, there, Intratoob Gun Expert.
If you don't see the logical inconsistency between this and your own boasting of defending your property, I won't be able to argue you out of a position you weren't argued into. But you do seem to be arrogating to yourself a right you would deny to others.

Nothing, really. Just things people say when they're used to everyone agreeing.
And then you're not supposed to call them an asshole.
And then? Well, I've been here 10 years, so you'll call me a troll.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 30, 2014 11:34 AM (xq1UY)

94 I could have popped them with some BB gun fire just to keep the fairies out of my yard. What? It would have just been a warning shot to teach them a lesson, like the squirrels....

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 11:35 AM (PGO8C)

95 The coyotes had become a direct threat to our cattle and critters. Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 04:06 PM (x3YFz) ...get it, got it, good...i understand.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 11:36 AM (BVsmd)

96 93 Stringer Davis at March 30, 2014 04:34 PM (xq1UY)

The myth of "white flight" being cowardice is sorta what he is attacking.

I'd defend the retard Detroit voter's right to lawful self-defense until the cows come home....
it doesn't mean they are not retards on a 60 year timeline though.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 11:39 AM (TE35l)

97 I think I'm more partial to a semi-auto than a revolver, but that's just a personal thing.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 11:39 AM (GrtrJ)

98 97 DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 04:39 PM (GrtrJ)

Good PM and whatever floats your boat are the key...

I prefer revolvers, but that is a cultural thing I suspect.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 11:42 AM (TE35l)

99 "Not one of your shining moments of glory, there, Intratoob Gun Expert. If you don't see the logical inconsistency between this and your own boasting of defending your property, I won't be able to argue you out of a position you weren't argued into. But you do seem to be arrogating to yourself a right you would deny to others. Nothing, really. Just things people say when they're used to everyone agreeing. And then you're not supposed to call them an asshole. And then? Well, I've been here 10 years, so you'll call me a troll. Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 30, 2014 04:34 PM (xq1UY) heh. little touchy? I can take a punch but you have to do me one solid and kinda put all the insults together. Believe it or not I'll dig through it and do my best to figure out exactly what I did to set you off. It's ok that you picked me to vent at. it happens.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:43 AM (x3YFz)

100 Like I said, I have big hands and I have odd tastes on top of that.

I did just buy a 71-88 Beaumont the other day.  Anyone have a suggestion on buying or making brass?

Posted by: Kindletot at March 30, 2014 11:46 AM (LRUgq)

101 in other news, yeeland lee (lol) is refusing to step down!

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 11:49 AM (BVsmd)

102 I do appreciate any and all conversation/suggestions.  Heck, I figure I'm going to have to get out there and get them in my hands to really know, but the choices are overwhelming!

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 11:49 AM (GrtrJ)

103 I would tell you what to do all day long, but then you should look at the success my life has been.  The important thing is to have fun looking and enjoy shooting.

Posted by: Kindletot at March 30, 2014 11:52 AM (LRUgq)

104 It would have just been a warning shot to teach them a lesson, like the squirrels.... Maybe you have a better warning experience with squirrels then I do, but I can pop them in the ass a couple times daily with .177 shot, but they'll be back the next day, in the same location, maybe *only just* a little more hesitant then the day before. As if I haven't learned to walk around to the 'other' side of the tree. I really don't think they learn a thing. They're hungry, you have food, and they're gonna take it until their bellies are full. I think that might just have something to do with the right/left divide in this country.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 11:55 AM (oGrEy)

105 Why should he step down??? What's a little gun running when you look at the bigger scheme of things? After all, neither Clinton stepped down, Seblius, won't step down, Holder won't step down, Conyers won't step down, I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two **sarc**

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 11:56 AM (PGO8C)

106 Nice day for shooting here in central Fl. Went out on the porch and put a few rounds thru my 1950 vintage Smith and Wesson Outdoorsman in 38 special. It's kind of unique, factory retro fit of a ramp front sight instead of the original Patridge sight.

Posted by: JimK at March 30, 2014 11:56 AM (EIHnU)

107 102 I do appreciate any and all conversation/suggestions. Heck, I figure I'm going to have to get out there and get them in my hands to really know, but the choices are overwhelming! Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 04:49 PM (GrtrJ) Yeah... it really is simple. You'll get "experts" on every blog telling you about this gun, that caliber, but it's just what fits You. might be a .50 desert eagle (gold!) or a .30 special or any one of hundreds of choices. ...it's like picking a good woman (or man, in your case). Takes time. Something natural, easy. You'll probably never have to use it, but if you do, you want it to go "bang" and the bad guy to stop being bad.

Posted by: tangonine at March 30, 2014 11:57 AM (x3YFz)

108 SE Pa Moron I was joking about the squirrels, they are persistent little f'ers. There is only one solution with them, the "FINAL" solution. 😜

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 11:59 AM (PGO8C)

109 you are right lindafell.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 30, 2014 12:08 PM (BVsmd)

110 I did just buy a 71-88 Beaumont the other day. Anyone have a suggestion on buying or making brass?>>

I saw the words "Making Brass" and it peaked my curiosity on what you were trying to do. So I did a search to see if people actually make their own brass and ran across somebody trying to do what you want to be able to do and they seemed to have a lot of good info. so you may have already found this. But in case you haven't I'll link it.

http://www.pulemetov.net/weaponry/beaumont_cart_71_88.html

Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 12:15 PM (TI3xG)

111 I was joking about the squirrels, they are persistent little f'ers. I agree with you. I will have three or four in a tree over my head, tag at least three of them right in the ass, and I'll still have three or four the next day. If they didn't use my roof as a shortcut to get from Point A to Point B, or drop down my chimney in the dead of winter and run around the house I might be a little more friendly. In my little town I have a choice to use a shotgun or a BB gun. Nothing in between. I'm checking into using a CO2 fired pistol this spring. Maybe they need to be 'spanked' a little harder.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 30, 2014 12:20 PM (oGrEy)

112 I do appreciate any and all conversation/suggestions. Heck, I figure I'm going to have to get out there and get them in my hands to really know, but the choices are overwhelming!

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 04:49 PM (GrtrJ) 



DangerGirl, I have small palms but relatively long fingers.  Have you tried a 1911?  How did that fit?  (Another favorite you might like is the S ampersand W 686 revolver.)

Posted by: Steck at March 30, 2014 12:22 PM (5i94q)

113 My problem is if some of my neighbors see me pointing anything that isn't obviously a "toy" gun, I.e. orange tip and the SWAT team is probably busting my door down.

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 12:25 PM (PGO8C)

114 In my little town I have a choice to use a shotgun or a BB gun.>>

What about .22cal LR shot shells?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0jCg8Ymuo

Posted by: The Hickster at March 30, 2014 12:27 PM (TI3xG)

115 113 lindafell at March 30, 2014 05:25 PM (PGO8C)

Have I got a deal for you...

http://tinyurl.com/cvbglxv

.22 or .25 pre-charged air rifle....

check out the Escape SS

http://tinyurl.com/np5m9jl

Heh youtube thereof

http://youtu.be/aIJl-t0wmfg

Paint the baffler orange

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 12:31 PM (TE35l)

116 Dangergirl, if you're looking for something heavier and slim, and you're not worried about concealability, check out a 1911 in .45. People call it a heavy kicker, but I find it's more of a steady shove than the snappy recoil of a 9mm (the .45 moves slower).

You can get good, reliable models for under $600. Remington makes a lot of crap, but their R1 1911 gets good reviews. It's a basic 1911, has nice big fixed sights, and there's a $75 rebate until May. Springfield's Mil-Spec is similar (not the GI model, though, it has crap sights).

You'll definitely want to try it first, though. Luckily, lot of folks have them, so you shouldn't have trouble finding somebody friendly who will let you put some rounds through it. Make sure you can rack the slide (it's easier if you thumb the hammer back first.)

If you look one over, remember it's bad form to drop the slide release on an empty chamber. Let the owner ease the slide forward.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 30, 2014 12:38 PM (celt+)

117 Sven, What are you trying to do to me??? My husband is already mad about the holster I just got....

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 12:39 PM (PGO8C)

118 Danger girl, Where abouts are you?

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 12:40 PM (PGO8C)

119 117 lindafell at March 30, 2014 05:39 PM (PGO8C)

There will always be more guns than I have money....

I *am* seriously considering an Air Rifle for vittles getting and coyote control though...

It ain't illegal to silence an air gun.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 12:42 PM (TE35l)

120 117 Sven,
What are you trying to do to me??? My husband is already mad about the holster I just got.... Posted by: lindafell

---------------

Tell hubby that when a wife is buying leather in the shape of a holster and not a purse, he's a blessed man.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 30, 2014 12:44 PM (celt+)

121 The Hickster, thank you.  That looks like a better match than using brass 32 Ga shells.

Posted by: Kindletot at March 30, 2014 01:08 PM (SLPg0)

122 DangerGirl, One of my daughters prefers revolvers and has a .38 special S ampersand Wesson Model 10 police trade in. The other likes autos and has a SIG 9mm. My wife fell in love with the 1911 .45 the first time she shot one. None of them are particularly big. Glocks are popular. While I would recommend getting a concealed carry license, the fact that you are not worried about concealibility or size gives you a lot of options. You could get a Desert Eagle or Broom Handle Mauser if you want.

Posted by: Obnoxious A Hole at March 30, 2014 01:13 PM (TKk/U)

123 122 Obnoxious A-Hole, A 96 Mauser in .45Auto I on my Xmas list... Getting hard to find one you don't have to build from scratch on an old frame. The Next 10077 Family gun is probably gonna be a Mossy MVP Patrol in 5.56 with a Chinese Knock-Off ACOG to train Lad10077 on. Happy Shooting

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 01:22 PM (TE35l)

124 lindafell, in Dallas/Ft Worth area

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 01:24 PM (GrtrJ)

125 Thanks for the recs, y'all.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 30, 2014 01:25 PM (GrtrJ)

126 #82 Smith and Wesson MP Compact in 9mm or 40 (40C).  My fee-yancy has small hands and short fingers, but she handles it fine and likes it.  Reliable, accurate and it comes with three sizes of grip-adjusters to fine-tune it to your hand.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 30, 2014 01:41 PM (XO6WW)

127 125 Danger Girl, DG a firearm is a tool, and it is a pesonal extension of your will to the world when need be. You'll know you found the right one when it sings to your heart. My sweetest weapon is the 96Swede. Keep looking.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 01:42 PM (TE35l)

128 Sven, While a .45 Broom Handle is cool, the 7.62X25mm is a pretty impressive cartridge. I sometimes wonder why the Chinese don't manufacture new production Broom Handle Mausers. In addition to the standard varieties, there would definitely also be a market for functional pistols equipped with optical sights and flash hiders to look like Han Solo's blaster.

Posted by: Obnoxious A Hole at March 30, 2014 01:58 PM (TKk/U)

129 128 Obnoxious A-Hole, True, part of the reason is the machining and fitting in the design. I'm looking to consolidate my cartridge type usage. Fact is we're probably devolving as a species and civilization. Right around 2006 I think th US and by extension the world gave up on decency.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2014 02:09 PM (TE35l)

130 DangerGirl, I'm down the road in Austin. Too, bad you can't get down Wednesday morning, I'd let you try out my collection. 3 types of 9mm and a .45 1911.

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 02:12 PM (PGO8C)

131 Went out shooting last night for the first time in a very long time. Got to cuddle up to: a .460 Smith and Wesson revolver, an Uzi 9mm on full auto (for all of 3 rounds, when it jammed), and best of all a .50 Barrett sniper rifle. I also met Larry Correia, who was the range master for the military side of the range, and gave me instructions on handling the Barrett. Very cool night. (Also great research for my still-in-progress RPG. http://wethearmed.com/r-r/infinity-gaming-system-tabletop-action-movie-rpg/ )

Posted by: Daddy Warpig at March 30, 2014 02:50 PM (GhBou)

132 "Have you seen what a Henry rifle can do in the hands of a man somebody who knows how to use it?"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 30, 2014 03:34 PM (zfY+H)

133 As I understand it the Henry was quick shooting but a little underpowered.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 30, 2014 03:35 PM (zfY+H)

134 Shit.. I can't make it on Wednesday. Invite me on a weekend lindafell. gooberintexas at the g mail thang

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 30, 2014 03:38 PM (l7DqC)

135 In way late, but thanks to Dave for filling in. I shot a few things today. Sighted in a T/C Contender in .35 Rem. and then shot two .45 ACP revolvers: Colt M1917 and S&W 625-4.

Posted by: Andy at March 30, 2014 04:58 PM (GdsLY)

136 We need to plan a Cen-text meet up before it gets to 100+ I know a private range we could maybe reserve and then Salt Lick.....

Posted by: lindafell at March 30, 2014 05:03 PM (PGO8C)

137 deal!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 30, 2014 05:15 PM (l7DqC)

138 I own a .357 Henry Big Boy and a Henry .22. They are both sweet rifles and I plan on getting more Henrys for my kids!

Posted by: Gary Grady at March 31, 2014 04:42 AM (FTO4G)

139 Used to be a fanboy of C96 Mausers, till I had a recoil lug fail on a chinese surplus 712 rework. Was lucky it wasn't catastrophic/injurious.

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 01, 2014 10:11 AM (RPDkq)

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