April 27, 2014

Gun Thread - NRA Annual Meeting Edition (4-27-2014)
— andy

John E., Ben K. & I have been at the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis over the weekend, and I'll try to distill the full 2.5 days into the post below. But before getting to the gun-related stuff proper, I'd say the best thing about the meeting was spending time with lots of people we've known on-line for ages but hadn't met in person. The list of great folks we've met is staggeringly long and I won't bore you with it, but for all the folks we've spent time with in the last couple of days, you were the highlight of the weekend.

And on that note, John and I were coming back to the convention hall this morning, and we were chatting with the shuttle driver from the hotel. She told us that her impression of the NRA had totally changed over the weekend. Last week, she had the view of the NRA and its members that the media promotes ... bloodthirsty gun worshippers who cheer at school shootings or whatever. But after a few days of driving a bunch of happy people (her words) who are, as a rule, polite and just enjoying being in each other's company, her perception changed.

Changing hearts and minds one at a time. This is how we win.


NRA: One Issue And One Issue Only

I was fortunate to be exposed to a side of the NRA that you won't see in any of the other reporting on the NRAAM. I have a cousin who's on the NRA Board, and he invited me to attend the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund committee meeting.

The fund assists people charged with gun-related crimes, and listening to the committee go through the various cases up for consideration all across the country was fascinating. Also, in the room and speaking were the folks who argued and won the 9th circuit Peruta case, the Delaware public housing case, and others. This is where the rubber meets the road on defending our second amendment rights.


Andrew Branca, FTW

We spent plenty of time with our friend Andrew Branca over the last few days, and we attended the SYG presentation he gave on Friday. He got lots of mileage out of a debate he did at UC Berkley where the lefty CNN host on the other side lost a bet and then refused to pay.

I know the Downfall parody is pretty played out as a general rule, but the one below the fold was used in Branca's presentation and had the crowd of a few hundred firearms law-types rolling in the aisles.

Also, I understand from Branca that Adam Baldwin deserves a tip of the hat for providing a key insight that allowed him to win the debate in the first 5 minutes.

And here's Branca's full presentation at the NRA Annual Meeting:


Peak John E.

John and NRO's Charles C. W. Cooke were interviewed by Cam Edwards and will be on Cam & Co. sometime this week.

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1 Now I regret not going when it was in my town. I think I overslept...

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 27, 2014 07:55 AM (HDwDg)

2 Sounded like a good time and informative

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:57 AM (HVff2)

3 Don't worry, thy only show cnn at airports. Bawahhhh

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 08:01 AM (HVff2)

4

I made it to the Houston meeting, last year, but my plans for Indy went off the rails when my truck got totaled in February.  Dammit.

 

 

Next year though, Ima be there.

 

 

Good write up though.  Highly appreciated, because I get to get bits of "being there", less the meeting with good friends and fellow Morons.

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 08:03 AM (vvk2F)

5 Dailycaller has a review of a tactical shotgun.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 08:03 AM (AO9UG)

6 I like how one of them adjusted their collar when threatened with having to debate Branca.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:04 AM (QeH9j)

7 I like how one of them adjusted their collar when threatened with having to debate Branca.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:04 AM (QeH9j)

8 wonderful. we get a gun thread, and I'm on the Damn smart phone only. at least I finally used my c&r for the first time last night. Ordered a Mosin from Classic Firearms. Easy peasy. almost too easy. wallet is gonna take a beating if they all go this smoothly.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:04 AM (TyX6n)

9 wonderful. we get a gun thread, and I'm on the Damn smart phone only. at least I finally used my c&r for the first time last night. Ordered a Mosin from Classic Firearms. Easy peasy. almost too easy. wallet is gonna take a beating if they all go this smoothly.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:04 AM (TyX6n)

10 " Don't worry, they only show CNN at airports"...and Chinese buffets. Branca's take down was splendidly executed. Simple, straightforward and devastatingly factual. I only wish it would have been more public.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 27, 2014 08:05 AM (60Vyp)

11 " Don't worry, they only show CNN at airports"...and Chinese buffets. Branca's take down was splendidly executed. Simple, straightforward and devastatingly factual. I only wish it would have been more public.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 27, 2014 08:05 AM (60Vyp)

12 wait... did I just get ampersands? test &&&&&

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:06 AM (TyX6n)

13 wait... did I just get ampersands? test &&&&&

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:06 AM (TyX6n)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:07 AM (TyX6n)

15 Still having fun with my air pistol. Spent a couple hours at the farm yesterday with another guy and his BB rifle. Set up a bunch of plastic index card cases on posts, on branches, etc. and made a nice little shooting gallery. At 50 feet it's pretty easy to hit a postcard sized area, after that it gets dicey. Hundred feet, I can hit a pie plate maybe half the time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:07 AM (ZshNr)

16 Welching on a bet is one of the lamest things to do, ever. It's a nasty, nasty stain.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 08:09 AM (AO9UG)

17 100 feet for a BB is pretty long range. Lotta elevation and windage to account for. And there's that whole gravity and air friction thing. But it sure is fun isn't it? Try shooting a circle around the King on a card at 15 feet to make it fall out.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 27, 2014 08:12 AM (60Vyp)

18 I'll get you everything you wanted
I'll get you everything you need
Don't need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly with no prior executive experience” Obama at April 27, 2014 08:15 AM (e8kgV)

19 Hey, Andy, was great meeting you and John and Ben from AOS in the flesh (so to speak, I said I'd keep the secret, I'll keep the secret, sheesh). Charles C.W. Cooke was great company, too, when I could understand what he was saying through that accent. :-) Look forward to the next time. --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense (typing this from 30,000 using Go Go inflight wifi--how awesome is THAT!?)

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at April 27, 2014 08:15 AM (/TtJt)

20 I use the pointed pellets, the pistol doesn't take bb's, no magnet. The rifle had the advantage at long range, but when it hit, it generally just dented the plate, on the rare occasion I hit it, the pellet went right through.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:15 AM (ZshNr)

21 I wonder if you could paint the tips with some phosphorous or magnesium compound and make pellet tracers...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 27, 2014 08:17 AM (60Vyp)

22 Ah, a good Hitler clip parodizing leftist idiocy always brings a guffaw or two. Heh.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404, Unsocked at April 27, 2014 08:17 AM (Dwehj)

23

Is it "welshing" or "welching"?  And if it's the first, do we have any problems with, uh, uncomfortable expressions stepping on ethnic toes?  I mean, don't the Welsh fiercely police every tidbit of idiomatic language for slurs?  (I mean, this is 2014, gentlemen)

 

Village Idiot's Apprentice, congrats.  My idiotic state has degraded the operational value of the C&R considerably (adding cost and hassle), and I already have several Mosins, but I keep thinking I'll stumble across that pristine 91/59 some day, the one with the perfect bluing and correct stock and shiny bore, and have to buy it (and it won't be cheap, by Mosin standards).

 

Still looking forward to visiting J&G in Prescott and buying a Mosin and a handgun hand-picked by myself, and walking out the door (but don't tell the wife, who will believe the entire trip is about the Grand Canyon ....).

 

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:18 AM (afQnV)

24 "...he view of the NRA and its members that the media promotes ... bloodthirsty gun worshippers who cheer at school shootings or whatever." It's really sad that we in this country no longer have an independent Fourth Estate--only a Propaganda Ministry, constantly belching forth lies, distortions, and misinformation. Orwell was right--just 30 years early.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 27, 2014 08:18 AM (Yh5Sg)

25 I'm sure I could. In fact, I could just crack open a chem light and dunk them in the solution, that might work. Have to clean the shit out of the gun afterwards.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:18 AM (ZshNr)

26 I watched the Branca debate yesterday. His opposition was a couple female lawyers that were passionate and articulate with all kind of statistics to support their position. Andrews debate partner was nervous and really wasn't all that convinced SYG laws were all that good. Odd thing is Andrew really didn't do much other then explain how SYG relates to self defense, point out that 34 states have the SYG provision and of course shoot down the oppositions position by pointing out all their statistic were crap. That was it. Watching it I was pretty sure he lost the debate in a roomful of Berkley lawyer wannabes, yet he didn't.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 27, 2014 08:18 AM (IV4od)

27 When I purchased my first 1911 about five years ago, I was torn between Springfield Armory's GI model and their Mil-Spec. The Mil-Spec had taller, three-dot sights but it was $100 more and had slanted slide serrations. History buff that I am, I elected to save the money and get the more "authentic" looking one with the vertical serrations.

Well, those GI sights were intolerable. Last month I happened to hear about Springfield Armory's Custom Shop. Went to their website, looked at their work order price list, and lo and behold, for only $65 I could get the Mil-Spec sights installed on my GI. Even better, I only had to send the slide, which meant I could send it snail mail and not have to screw around with shipping a pistol through Fed-Ex.

I sent the slide in with the work order, and in three weeks - THREE WEEKS! - it was back in my hands. Total cost with shipping and insurance both ways was $87. Great deal.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 08:19 AM (celt+)

28 Man, those bit-players in Downfall are immortal now.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 08:19 AM (AO9UG)

29 Sounds like you guys had a great time, bunch of bastards. Why no, I'm not green at all. So, a gun question for the Horde and whoever is hanging around. Remanufactured ammoÂ…is it garbage? How can you tell? Especially when buying online.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 08:20 AM (GEICT)

30
Give Sunny a break, she may not have actually earned $100 as a legal analyst yet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2014 08:20 AM (hJauc)

31
   Last night I attended our annual local 4H Shooting Sports banquet (mentioned this on the ONT).

   Great event, it kicks off with the Pledge Of Allegiance, followed by the 4H Pledge, then an invocation.

    Excellent food, followed by a silent auction, live auction plus a drop box with tables full of goodies that you drop tickets in.
 
   Much to my surprise, I scored a Stevens model 200 rifle with a 3x9 variable scope in .270 caliber from the drop box  tables.

   Haven't yet really looked at it yet.  But this IS neat.

  

Posted by: irongrampa at April 27, 2014 08:21 AM (SAMxH)

32 Nice score, IG.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:22 AM (ZshNr)

33 So, a gun question for the Horde and whoever is hanging around.

Remanufactured ammoÂ…is it garbage? How can you tell? Especially when buying online.
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My rule of thumb on reman ammo:  If your gun blows up, it's garbage.  If it puts puts 5 bullets on target within a minute of angle, it's a helluva bargain.

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:22 AM (JBggj)

34 Guns N Boobs - Mozambique Drill? http://tinyurl.com/mks9nsw

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 08:22 AM (aTXUx)

35 Remanufactured ammoÂ…is it garbage?

I've found Black Hills to be thoroughly reliable.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404, Unsocked at April 27, 2014 08:22 AM (Dwehj)

36

Taro, funny, I went through EXACTLY the same thinking on the Mil-Spec vs. GI (Springfield 1911).  In the end I bought a slightly used Mil-Spec (parkerized, of course) for a decent price locally.  To appease my WWII/history obsession, I put Remington-Rand WWII surplus grips on it - so it looks pretty much like that era's version, minus of course the serrations, ejection port, and lack of a lanyard loop (and sights).

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:22 AM (afQnV)

37 30 Guns N Boobs - Mozambique Drill? http://tinyurl.com/mks9nsw Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 01:22 PM (aTXUx) Naked elbows on Sunday?

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 08:24 AM (AO9UG)

38 Changing hearts and minds one at a time. This is how we win. Do you truly believe this? I would submit that the educational and media/entertainment industries are "changing hearts and minds" tens of thousands at a time. Persuading individuals is a good thing. But by itself that is not going to get the job done.

Posted by: ashowalt at April 27, 2014 08:24 AM (9nk6u)

39 IIRC, the CMP was re-selling Black Hills ammo a while back.  That's a pretty strong endorsement.

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:25 AM (JBggj)

40 History of the pocketknife. http://tinyurl.com/kp6zevg That Roman multitool is pretty neat.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:25 AM (QeH9j)

41 32 - oh, yeah, I replaced those grips real fast with Colts.

I was tempted to get an ejection port lowering & flaring while I was at it. May still.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 08:25 AM (celt+)

42

BCochran, I haven't used it but I don't think there's any problem (in general) with reman ammo.  It's just commercially reloaded, shouldn't be much different than "new" factory ammo, for practice and general purpose plinking/blasting.

 

I reload and haven't bought any factory for a few years (surplus for the rifles).  But I've never heard of any issue with reman/commercially reloaded ammo for general purpose use (which I assume is your intention).

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:25 AM (afQnV)

43 So where are the close shots of Sarah Palin?

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 27, 2014 08:27 AM (Da/fK)

44 Could the horde give me their opinion on this red dot sight? I was considering getting one for either my 10/22 or my Buckmark, and this seems like it'd be a good deal. http://tinyurl.com/m4xmtba

Posted by: The DNC and MSM at April 27, 2014 08:27 AM (if2JC)

45 I have stayed away from reman ammo for now. still learning about ammo, and not as smart as I would like to be on the topic. plus, using wikiarms and Slickguns, I can get new for about the same price.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2014 08:27 AM (TyX6n)

46 So where are the close shots of Sarah Palin? Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 27, 2014 01:27 PM
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Yeah, Andy.  What Joe said

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:28 AM (JBggj)

47

I think Black Hills is a premium producer - don't they work with military units including special forces to produce custom ammo?  And make high-end hunting ammo?  Anyway, don't think of them as a bulk reman source.

 

Georgia Arms, LAX, seem to be two names that come to mind.  I've seen guys using LAX handgun ammo at matches and they like it.  Their prices are not bad, with the usual proviso:  buy in bulk - and even keep an eye out for sales or specials, though those must have been rare in the last year or so.

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:28 AM (afQnV)

48 Is there a transcript for Branca's talk? The audio on that video is difficult for me as I don't hear too good...

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at April 27, 2014 08:28 AM (IPz9m)

49 So I read online that the Russian 7.62 primers have an issue with 2 stage triggers So of course I switch out from the standard mil spec to a 2 stage Yeah, they're right About 20% failed So had to go home after about 40 shots

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 27, 2014 08:30 AM (Da/fK)

50

Village Idiot's Apprentice, to add to your list (for BCochran and others) ammo shopping online:

 

ammoseek.com

ammoengine.com

gunbot.net

gun-deals.com (includes shipping cost in side/side comparisons)

 

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:30 AM (afQnV)

51 Sarah Palin's "Stand And Fight" speech last night at the NRA Convention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk4dD2L0RTk

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:31 AM (JBggj)

52 40. A trueglo My friend has one on his AR It felt cheap and is much smaller than an EOTech but still is pretty accurate to 50yds You can still go straight to target fast with its window size too For the price I'd go for it, maybe get a 3X mag to run with it

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 27, 2014 08:34 AM (0DMvp)

53
  NCJ. you should keep in mind something one of my good buddies said--anything Russian built will need the judicious use of brute force on occasion.

   2stage triggers don't do that.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 27, 2014 08:35 AM (SAMxH)

54
Fooling no one but ourselves
Love is dying
Here comes the end

Posted by: David Stockman at April 27, 2014 08:35 AM (e8kgV)

55

ashowalt, sadly agree with you.  I support and cheer Andy's perspective about changing minds (let's be frank - dispelling idiotic ignorance and dissolving bigotry) one at a time ...... but in general, on certain topics, doubt the prospects.   On guns - paradoxically, to me at least - national attitudes HAVE been either holding fast or even improving.

 

I stand (sit) astonished, in a country so dumbed down, unserious, irresponsible, character-less, race-obsessed, dishonorable, and utterly in the thrall of such idiocy (water-runs-uphill envy-based "economics", scientific illiteracy/corruption that is stunning, etc.), with a education/press so completely pernicious and off-the-rails, that somehow the tide is flowing against the gun-grabbing freaks.  But it seems to be.

 

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 08:35 AM (afQnV)

56

Sadly, Ray Tipton retired last year, closing T's Guns & Ammo in Texas City, TX. 

 

 

(re)Manufactured some of the best pistol and 5.56 ammo I've ever used.  His 68 gr. 5.56 Match was easily the most accurate and consistent loading I've still yet found.  And, I fired his 148 gr., 38 spl. wadcutter in IDPA matches to great effect.  (and fun!)  Lazer accurate.

 

 

Fact is, I had absolutely zero ammo defects from T's remanufactured ammo.  And, his factory-new ammo in 6.5x55 Swede was an exact ballistic match for the now-impossible-to-find Swedish .mil issue surplus.  Sub MOA all day long, too.

 

 

Summing up.....  quality remanufactured ammo is a very wise choice, not only for practice, but for competition, too.

 

 

That said, in daily carry, self-defense loads.... I only use factory new ammo, period.  I don't want any overzealous lawyer of any kind to have any leverage against me, in claiming that I was using some "sooper lethal secret sauce" ammo.

 

 

 

Jim
Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 08:37 AM (vvk2F)

57 6 Village Idiot's Apprentice, Hey you could be like me and self-IP banned and stuck on your droid wanting to post "AR on a budget" tips

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2014 08:38 AM (8vn6G)

58 Is it "welshing" or "welching"? And if it's the first, do we have any problems with, uh, uncomfortable expressions stepping on ethnic toes? I mean, don't the Welsh fiercely police every tidbit of idiomatic language for slurs? (I mean, this is 2014, gentlemen) Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 01:18 PM (afQnV) The WelshÂ…

Posted by: Edward Longshanks at April 27, 2014 08:39 AM (AymDN)

59 --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense (typing this from 30,000 using Go Go inflight wifi--how awesome is THAT!?) I'm jealous.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 08:40 AM (0HooB)

60 52 Jim, 6.5 Swede is Sven's ammo of choice.... It's sad when a craftsman hangs 'em up....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2014 08:40 AM (8vn6G)

61 54 Edward Longjohns, Fock ya!

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2014 08:43 AM (8vn6G)

62 Every time Sven brings up the 6.5 Swede, I think of those inexpensive Swedish Mauser carbines that were sold for a song.  I saw and held one.  A work of art.  Waaaaaaaaaah.

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:43 AM (JBggj)

63 Went to the Indy Star web page and a big anti-NRA ad pops up.
Local Indy TV stations are giving a lot of play to anti-NRA protesters.
For many years Indianapolis had an inferiority complex. It was called nap town,
India-no place and mocked as being "rural". For years they have tried to change
the perception. It has become more like other big cities. The murder rate has gone way up. The libs blame the guns of course.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 08:45 AM (XeVA7)

64 58 mrp, Well you can use a Mauser action and have a gunsmith build a 6.5 swede for you... Heh of course I want a 6.5 swede Ruger Scout Rifle

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2014 08:46 AM (8vn6G)

65 Only people with small brains own guns because they are to stooped to talk out their problems.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at April 27, 2014 08:51 AM (hP/Mt)

66

Sven.......   you're gonna hate the custom Mauser project I've got on the bench then.

 

 

Found a VIRGIN commercial Mauser receiver, never had so much as a single part affixed thereon.  Only markings on it are the word "Zastava", and the serial number.  It's obviously the same as an Interarms Mk.X or Parker-Hale version, sans re-marketer's imprints.

 

 

Last year, I found a good donor Mk.X, from which I'm taking the bottom metal and bolt assembly.  Trigger will be a Timney, and I'm shopping for a Win '70 type three-position safety.  Barrel will be a Shilen in 6.5x55, stainless, with 5-R rifling.  I'm going with a 24" barrel in a medium contour.

 

 

The stock..... I'm still shopping wood on that, but blanks in the arena I'm looking at are running $1,500 to $2,500.  I'll split the blank on a bookend-cut, and laminate the reversals over a sheet of 1/4" carbon-fiber, then send it off to the stockmaker.

 

 

I've yet to decide on the optics, but it's going to be a hunting rifle, not a tactical platform. 

 

 

Tom Sisk was going to build it, but is now just doing "black rifles" these days.  On his recommendation, I'll have Cherokee Rifles put all the acquired pieces together, do the headspacing, bedding and tuning.

 

 

And yes, it'll get some engraving and gold inlay, but not to excess.

 

 

This is going to be my "once in a lifetime, bespoke rifle".  I'm not rich, but I'll at least be able to leave one true heirloom.

 

 

Now, if I only had an heir!

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 08:51 AM (vvk2F)

67 Well you can use a Mauser action and have a gunsmith build a 6.5 swede for you...
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That reminds me.  Back in the day, I had a renowned blackpowder gunsmith finish and assemble a Baker Rifle replica for me.  The parts were cast from originals, a new Goetz barrel, and a stock maker told me that he had ONE European walnut stock blank remaining, and would I be interested? Won a few matches with that baby, even with the .610 ball (carbine caliber).

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:58 AM (JBggj)

68 This is going to be my "once in a lifetime, bespoke rifle". I'm not rich, but I'll at least be able to leave one true heirloom. Now, if I only had an heir! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 01:51 PM (vvk2F) DAD!!!

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 09:00 AM (QeH9j)

69 What was Adam Baldwin's key insight?

Posted by: Pointless in Paduka at April 27, 2014 09:01 AM (aRE3g)

70 "DAD" imposter

Posted by: The real Heir at April 27, 2014 09:05 AM (TyX6n)

71 Any moron recommendations for a decent 9mm carbine?

Posted by: RS at April 27, 2014 09:05 AM (YAGV/)

72 Any moron recommendations for a decent 9mm carbine? Posted by: RS at April 27, 2014 02:05 PM (YAGV/) I like the Beretta one

Posted by: zipzip at April 27, 2014 09:10 AM (szb0P)

73 Taro  @ 23 - I wound up buying both, the MilSpec and the GI 45s about a year apart.  Springfield stopped making the GI in 2010.  I've left it as is, though I agree with you concerning the sights.  I want to keep it old school.

Have you had any issues with stovepiping?  If so, and you don't mind modifying it any more, you can get Springfield Armory to enlarge the ejection port. 

I am replacing the Springfield three-dot sights on the MilSpec with three-dot Trijicon tritium night sights. 

Posted by: butch at April 27, 2014 09:14 AM (m12IB)

74 Heh of course I want a 6.5 swede Ruger Scout Rifle

I want a 6' 5" Swede lass in a bikini. 


Alas, you guys have scared off all the Scandis what with your racism and all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2014 09:14 AM (hJauc)

75 Guns N Boobs - Hope she doesn't blow her hand off http://tinyurl.com/msgnh7h

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:18 AM (aTXUx)

76 65 What was Adam Baldwin's key insight? Posted by: Pointless in Paduka at April 27, 2014 02:01 PM (aRE3g) To 'kill them with love.' Andrew was hanging with Baldwin the night berore.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 09:18 AM (QeH9j)

77 This morning. Wife "did we just buy a rifle? I was folding clothes and a receipt for a gun fell out of your pocket" Me "technically, it's a carbine." Wife "so that's a yes." Me "well, I didn't actually buy it for me, I bought it for (our little boy)" Wife "he's two." Me "and now he's got his own carbine, I'm failing to see an issue here." She turned and walked away, I must have won.

Posted by: traye at April 27, 2014 09:21 AM (h1y1C)

78

25  I use nothing BUT reman ammo for the last 5 years and have never had a misfire

Freedom Munitions is da lick

68  Hipoint carbine is popular with nutnfancy, who should know

Posted by: MAx at April 27, 2014 09:22 AM (b7yum)

79 Alas, you guys have scared off all the Scandis what with your racism and all. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2014 02:14 PM (hJauc) If they are scared of racism, they better not go back home.

Posted by: traye at April 27, 2014 09:22 AM (h1y1C)

80 67 Any moron recommendations for a decent 9mm carbine? Posted by: RS

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If you have a Glock, check out Mech-Tech. Heard good things.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 09:28 AM (celt+)

81 traye - Too late of course (that's when I always think of clever rejoinders), but that parting shot (a pun!) might have been: Me "That's why he got a carbine."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 09:30 AM (aDwsi)

82 If anyone's been thinking about picking up one of those funky new See-All sights, you can use the coupon code TTAG  until May 15th for fifteen bucks off.

I ordered one for my future Mech-Tech 1911. At the very least in should be a nice sight for my 10/22.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 09:32 AM (celt+)

83 @68, 76 Thanks.

Posted by: RS at April 27, 2014 09:35 AM (YAGV/)

84 NRA sucks Harry Reid's cock. They looove the Harry cock

Posted by: zant at April 27, 2014 09:56 AM (kp5cA)

85 RS, I picked up a Beretta CX-4 in 9mm a couple of weeks ago. Love it, nothing but good things to say about it. Get your hands on one and see what you think.

Posted by: pilot141 at April 27, 2014 09:57 AM (nPwzA)

86 Uhh, Zant, you might want to read this month's issue of the American Rifleman, which is the gun focused magazine published by the NRA. There is a full article in which Reid is excoriated by the NRA for his anti liberty, pro Obama legislative activities. So, no, they don't love Harry. He has in the past been given high grades regarding gun legislation. But the gloves are off now with the NRA. I attended the NRA meeting, albeit only for one day due to other obligations. Excellent group of people, I found Indianapolis to be extremely welcoming, including our hotel which went out of it's way to accomodate gun owners and those who carry.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 10:04 AM (ZcnUR)

87 If you watch the entire Berkeley SYG debate, you'll notice a couple of other things.

One is that Sunny Hostin, opposing SYG, claims that she has found law enforcement to be "uniformly" opposed to SYG, because "I've interviewed them".

Conveniently without specifing who or when or where or how many of the "them" she had interviewed.

She might find it instructive to interview a dozen or so county sheriffs in Florida, given that there was a unanimous vote supporting SYG at the 2013 Florida Sheriffs Association summer meeting.

That's uniformity of opinion among the uniformed, all right, except it runs in a direction that Hostin would find disquieting.

Like it or not, these sorts of ridiculous subjective opinions with no citation of supporting evidence can and do get dragged into debates, just as, similarly, the anti-SYG debate opponents hit Andrew Branca with the canard about George Zimmerman having been "ordered to stay in his car". We have to be ready to turn that stuff around on them right on the spot, as Andrew did with his impromptu wager.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 10:08 AM (noWW6)

88 It's a shame that some commenters here also bought into that bullshit lie that Zimmerman was ordered by the police to stay in his vehicle.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 27, 2014 10:11 AM (LI48c)

89 80 NRA sucks Harry Reid's cock. They looove the Harry cock Posted by: zant

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You are, of course, aware that the NRA is a gun rights organization, not a conservative, or Republican, or anti-Democrat organization, yes?

I would not vote for Lucifer for president, but if he was good on guns, I would have no objection to them giving him an A+ rating. I would expect them to. I would be disappointed if they didn't. I'm intelligent enough to discern that an A+ rating from the NRA means a politician is good on guns, but not necessarily good for the country overall, because the NRA is a gun rights organization.

I continue to be utterly baffled as to what is so goddamn difficult for people to understand about that.



 

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 10:22 AM (celt+)

90 >> I continue to be utterly baffled as to what is so goddamn difficult for people to understand about that. +1

Posted by: Andy at April 27, 2014 10:28 AM (Wd1Zo)

91 "I would not vote for Lucifer for president, but if he was good on guns, I would have no objection to them giving him an A+ rating."

So here's the central problem.

A politician can earn a high NRA rating with what I would term "onstage" votes and statements supporting gun rights in public.

That very same politician can then vanish "backstage" and in private actions that are less well publicized, support other leftist politicians who are _overtly_ opposed to Second Amendment rights. Raising money for them, endorsing them, et cetera. While similarly working to confirm jurists with lifetime tenure who are staunchly opposed to 2A rights.

NRA's heuristic for support captures and recognizes none of this.

Also, NRA's support is not cognizant of how fast politicians whom they have gifted with a high rating can and will turn on them in nanoseconds upon a change of circumstance.

Poster girl? Kirsten Gillibrand. High rating when representing upstate NY. Once she became a statewide candidate in New York, she repaid NRA's previous high ratings with a sharp, hard shift to the antigun left. And it was wholly, easily, trivially predictable that she would do so.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 10:39 AM (noWW6)

92 86+Whoever was quoted: They continue to be baffled about that because it does not fit their propaganda narrative. They hope to repeat a lie often enough that, as per Goebbels, it will be considered the truth.

Posted by: FGCU_James at April 27, 2014 10:40 AM (if2JC)

93 Poster girl? Kirsten Gillibrand. High rating when representing upstate NY. Once she became a statewide candidate in New York, she repaid NRA's previous high ratings with a sharp, hard shift to the antigun left. And it was wholly, easily, trivially predictable that she would do so. Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 03:39 PM (noWW6) So what should the NRA-ILA do? Not endorse anyone? Their ratings are supposed to help an individual understand the current voting record and absent that, public statements of a particular candidate. It is up the the individual to then research the candidate further to determine if the candidate represents that individual's interests overall. NO organization should be responsible for spoon feeding voters with a total picture on a candidate. They can't. No organization could possibly fulfill such an agenda. So if I am interested in a particular candidate, the NRA's ratings helps me to understand the gun rights history of a candidate. I can then continue on to research other aspects of a candidate, which is MY responsibility, not the NRA.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 11:12 AM (ZcnUR)

94 Remanufactured ammoÂ…is it garbage? How can you tell? Especially when buying online.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 01:20 PM (GEICT)


I'm late to the show, but I've bought reman from Freedom Munitions and never had a single problem with it.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2014 11:15 AM (vn9w4)

95 KG asks: "44 Is there a transcript for Branca's talk? The audio on that video is difficult for me as I don't hear too good...' We're lucky theres' even video at all. The NRA made zero arrangements to video record any of the law talks. I actually rented a car at the hotel, drove 12 miles to the nearest Costco, bought a video recorder, then drove to a Walmart, and bought their least expensive tripod, just so I could record mine. That's why the sound is so bad--this little dinky camcorder is just standing on a table at the back of the room. You should have heard it before I boosted the audio track 400%. But I wouldn't worry about it, I imagine I'll be giving essentially the same talk a great many times in the future, and someone, somewhere will have a better record set-up than what I was able to throw together in a couple of hours. --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at April 27, 2014 11:22 AM (8gaTv)

96 Pointless in Paduka asks: "65 What was Adam Baldwin's key insight?" Love. --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at April 27, 2014 11:25 AM (8gaTv)

97 Kel Tecs Sub2000 in 9mm is a great little carbine that folds in two and fits in a backpack. Can also take glock 33 round magazines.

Posted by: TBolt69 at April 27, 2014 11:32 AM (p5jMg)

98 The NRA made zero arrangements to video record any of the law talks. -Andrew, @LawSelfDefense Posted by: Law of Self Defense at April 27, 2014 04:22 PM (8gaTv) I had planned to send an email to the NRA convention committee with some "suggestions". It was a great meeting, and there are about 12 circus rings going on at any one time, so I understand how things can fall to the wayside regarding planning, but I found that this convention had some very basic things missing in the registration, scheduling, announcing etc. that really shouldn't happen at a venue this large. And to not have someone recording each presentation is really , well, dumb.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 11:43 AM (ZcnUR)

99 A Question for Sunny Hostin (if you're reading):

In star prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel testimony she said that Treyvon told her that a "creepy ass cracka" was looking at him.

1) Based upon the testimony, what is the correct hyphenation of "creepy ass crack"?

a) "creepy ass-cracka", or
b) "creepy-ass cracka"

2) In your own words, why?


Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 27, 2014 12:12 PM (NaeCR)

100 Way late here, so no one will ever read this, but: Reman ammo? Fine. It's pretty much all I buy anymore. Unless you are a serious high level precision shooter, I've found it goes bang every time. The ammo is as accurate as I am, which isn't saying much. 9mm carbine? I've got a hi point 995 and a kel-tec sub2000. I loe them both, but I like the kel-tec a bit more. I think that might be the compatibility with glock mags and the extra rounds it can hold. Either way, I've never had a FTF in either one. Hell, buy one each and a handful of mags for each, and you're still spending less than a mid-grade AR.

Posted by: DC in Towson at April 27, 2014 12:16 PM (Pvcl5)

101 Is it "welshing" or "welching"? And if it's the first, do we have any problems with, uh, uncomfortable expressions stepping on ethnic toes? I mean, don't the Welsh fiercely police every tidbit of idiomatic language for slurs? (I mean, this is 2014, gentlemen)

Posted by: outlier at April 27, 2014 01:18 PM (afQnV)

Technically, it's "welshing." But since that's (theoretically) as uncomfortable a relic as "jewing," "welching' will do.

Incidentally, living Welsh is the best revenge. ;^)

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at April 27, 2014 01:57 PM (UYiBe)

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