April 28, 2017

Guest Review: Blade Runner: The Final Cut [moviegique]
— Open Blogger

Most of The Horde has probably never even heard of this movie, but it might be fun to chat about it anyway. Our very own moviegique has agreed to share his thoughts on it, and if you like them, or even if you disagree, head over to his blog, Moviegique: I Go To The Movies More Than You, where he has a few (hundred) more reviews all set for your reading pleasure.

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Few movies of the past 35 years have been as influential as Ridley Scott's 1982 science-fiction classic Blade Runner. Most of the sci-fi of these past few decades have wanted to be either Blade Runner or Road Warrior -- more so, stylistically, than even Star Wars.
Producers wanted Star Wars' box office but not really its cheerful, retro feel (like its almost campy scene transitions, hearkening back to the old Flash Gordon serials). Blade Runner and Road Warrior, on the other hand, were, real, man. They were gritty visions of an inescapable future.

Not quite as bad as what we might call "Zack Snyder disease" is today, but still pretty awful.

Humongous wants you to embrace the realism.

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alt="That codpiece is super real."

Blade Runner also had a huge influence on literature, being released two years before Neuromancer, William Gibson's grim take on the future that sounded the starting gun on a cyber-implant, corporate-ruled-dystopia which, in retrospect, was no more realistic than utopic '50s jetpack sci-fi, but a lot more dreary. It was also a big influence on video games.

Which is, all-in-all, not bad for the film that finished 27th at the Box Office in 1982, behind Tron, Lee Horsley's magnum opus The Sword and the Sorceror and, of course, The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas. (It did beat out another iconic film: John Carpenter's The Thing. So, it's got that going for it.)

The movie tested so poorly that a desperate Ladd Company hacked it up and added a notoriously bad voiceover (by Harrison Ford) trying to explain the plot. This gave the movie an ersatz '40s film-noir detective feel, which should have been a good thing, but (probably because they did it without any of the talent on board, except a frustrated Ford) just made hash of the whole experience. As such, there are no less than six subsequent cuts of this film trying to salvage it.

Rutger Hauer thinks seven versions is excessive.

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alt="Also, he can't believe you left your bishop open like that."

We saw "The Final Cut'" which is Ridley Scott's last word on what he was trying to say and do here.

And it sucks.

I kid! I kid! but not as much as I wish I were. The truth is, Blade Runner is one of the most frustrating experiences you can have in a movie theater. Why? Because it is staggeringly beautiful. Even 35 years later, the special effects are the best practical effects have to offer.

As I've maintained in this past 18 months (where we've shifted our moviegoing to half-or-more-revivals of classics), what works, long-term, for special effects is not whether they look "realistic." The word "realistic" really just means "conforms to the current idea of how this impossible thing might look." Plenty of movies from the last 15 years that were heralded as breakthroughs in CGI look positively goofy now. (All that effort Lucas put into ruining his original trilogy, for example, looks even worse now than it did back in 1997's "Special Editions." before we realized ol' George was gonna bury the originals.)

What matters in a special effect is how it reads. Does it communicate what it's supposed to communicate? That's why an old flick, be it Wizard of Oz or Forbidden Planet, still looks great: because it was made to look good, not necessarily real. (If you don't believe that, try watching Oz next to any of the LOTR trilogy on the big screen.)

Los Angeles 2019: It's like looking out the window.

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alt="Well, in two years, anyway."

And there is no doubt that the city of Los Angeles reads. The constant rain, the giant video billboards, the massive superstructures (even though, as is barely pointed out, the earth is depopulating rapidly), all read dystopia -- albeit a strangely beautiful dystopia.

And this is true in literally every shot. There isn't a moment of this film that's hastily put together. I've heard it was a hard shoot; I believe that. This is the sort of exacting piece of art that you'd get out of Kubrick (who would take a year to shoot The Shining).

The plot really isn't hard to follow, as the "need" for a voice-over might suggest. Harrison Ford is a pseudo-cop whose job it is to destroy androids that can pass for humans. Also, the film takes a (very typical) viewpoint that said androids are essentially human, at least when it comes to the explicatory up-front text, where it explicitly says that destroying the androids isn't called "execution" but "retirement."

Brion James horribly miscast as "someone who can pass for human."

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alt="I kid because I love. He was great."

That said, the whole point of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and, in fact, the whole point of everything Philip K. Dick ever wrote, apparently, is to call into question the difference between what is real, and what you perceive to be real, and whether it matters. (I would guess PKD dropped acid at least once.) The movie can't communicate that subtlety: If the androids are "real," they're sociopaths, quickly changing their emotions to suit whatever is advantageous to the situation. (This was something the book could elide over.)

So the movies is left with this ambiguity with regard to -- well, look, these aren't robots or even androids. They're sorta bionic clones. They're organic in every way, except somehow in their ill-defined construction process. The movie is all about this big question -- to the point where Scott and Ford argue about whether or not Deckard (Harrison Ford's character) was actually a replicant -- surrounding the difference between androids and humans, and it really fails to make it much of a question at all. If the replicants aren't human (as far as it counts), there's no moral dilemma whatsoever. If they are, Deckard is a monster.

But none of this would actually matter except for one thing: The movie deliberately alienates you from everyone. If you can go through this film and find someone to give a damn about, you're a better movie-watcher than I am.

OK, they seem nice.

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alt="This film launched Daryl Hannah's Career of Weird."

The kids noticed this, too. They all agreed it was amazing to look at, but that they were sorta bored. As it dragged on, I couldn't help but think this was two hours of brilliant set design in search of a movie.

Except for Rutger Hauer and some great character actors like the late Brion James (Cabin Boy, Flesh + Blood), William Sanderson ("Newhart," "Deadwood," "True Blood"), James Hong (best known these days as Kung Fu Panda's dad, playing old Chinese guys 35 years ago), Joe Turkel (Lloyd from The Shining), the performances come off as awful. Even Brion James doesn't really come off as being very android-y -- and while this was probably the point, it doesn't help the movie much.

Everyone else is at arm's length distance, at best. You could say (as some did) that Ford had not yet learned how to act, but I would defy you to describe his character, regardless of how well he played it. Then see if you could describe Sean Young, Darryl Hannah, Joanna Cassidy or Rutger Hauer in terms of their character. Hauer brings a lot of "humanity" to his character, through little touches he added, but it just feels like the director is so taken with the idea of blurring the line between man and machine, that he pushes man toward the machine.

Not gonna lie: You could stop this movie at any random frame and come up with a good desktop wallpaper.

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alt="And that's what you want in a movie: Desktop wallpaper."

Hey, people clapped in the theater, so for some, two hours of visual beauty is apparently enough.

We were glad we saw it. It's an important film. It's an influential film. It has many truly great aspects. But it's a hard film to enjoy in any traditional sense of characters-we-care-about-undergoing-struggles-we-understand. And it's not something I'd recommend to non-movie-lovers. We didn't clap.

And now I go into hiding before the legions of Ridlicants come after me.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 03:30 PM | Comments (410)
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1 gold

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:33 PM (c6/9Q)

2 the blade runner.  one of my faves.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:34 PM (c6/9Q)

3 iam just gonna sit here and enjoy this blade runner thread and not tell anyone and it's all mine, MINE !

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:35 PM (c6/9Q)

4 The critics have delivered to Dave Eggers, Emma Watson, and Tom Hanks a bag of dicks, apiece. 17% for The Circle on Rotten Tomatoes. Owch. The critics didn't give a kiss to Below Her Mouth, either. 21%. I *hope* this marks a trend in not rewarding SJWs for being SJW.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 03:37 PM (6FqZa)

5 Never liked Blade Runner. I've watched 3-4 times, and it never gets any better. I see what Ridley Scott was trying to do, but it just seemed so maladroitly done, the movie was just ruined for me.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:38 PM (q9Tnv)

6 We're all just waiting for Guardians Of The Galaxy 2 to come out, basically. Oh one more thing - The Lost City Of Z lies. I wish it hadn't because I liked it at the time, but it lies about the subject matter.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 03:38 PM (6FqZa)

7 Nice. I saw this movie three times before I started to get it. It's less of a narrative and more of a philosophical missing on the nature of humanity with fantastic visuals. It really is something that keeps itself at arm's length, so I can't fault people who don't get into it (like my wife). Great read moviegique.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 03:39 PM (Jj43a)

8 Also, you forgot Edward James Olmos (Miami Vice, Battlestar Galactica) in your actors list.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:39 PM (q9Tnv)

9 Rutger Hauer's ad libbed monologue at the end = so much win.... ...tears in rain.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2017 03:39 PM (cdr7G)

10 I think the European cut is the best. It has the narration, but sometimes the narration is necessary. When I showed the Director's cut to a friend, she had no idea what Deckard has found in Leon's apartment. And if Deckard is a replicant, and not a human, it makes the whole movie meaningless. Think about it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2017 03:39 PM (MZcWR)

11 Original with Solo was the best. That'll do.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2017 03:40 PM (zLDYs)

12 Speaking of "not reading" my caption/alt-text for the pix didn't really come out, eh? =P OK, I'm ready for your abuse.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:41 PM (CcUfv)

13 I'm not Ridleycant but I am tempted to come after you... Nah, you're review is fine. I differ on several points, though. 1. I really like the voiceover. The world-weary tone in Ford's voice sells his character, his worldview, the job he has to do. 2. I think the performances are universally good. Even Hannah's and she's a sub-par actress. If everyone feels a little 'off' that's likely deliberate. 3. If you can't root for Sean Young in this movie, you need to take the Voight-Kampff test. 4. Decard isn't a monster, in either interpretation. And killing/retiring the replicants isn't morally clean in either interpretation either. Now this group are a bunch of murderers, so that makes their retirement cleaner, but anything that WANTS to be real this badly IS real. That doesn't cut them any slack, they're accountable for their actions, but these aren't machines. But the people treat them as toys or disposable soldiers. And that's their tragedy, as much as the life span. It's the original, theatrical cut for me. And it's the one I own.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:41 PM (xJa6I)

14 gah, *your review

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:42 PM (xJa6I)

15 I honestly can't remember whether I saw "Blade Runner" or not. I did see movies in theaters back in those days.

Posted by: rickl at April 28, 2017 03:42 PM (sdi6R)

16 It's less of a narrative and more of a philosophical missing on the nature of humanity with fantastic visuals.

That's what it tries to do. But it is done so poorly, I'm just rolling my eyes and snorting derisively 15 minutes into the movie.

It does look great, though, I'll give Ridley Scott that.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:42 PM (q9Tnv)

17 OregonMuse-- I did neglect Olmos, although he was one of my first choices for pix to include. His performance is amazing just from the fact that he speaks that Manglish the whole time, and it doesn't matter.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:42 PM (CcUfv)

18 Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... your mother.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:42 PM (LTHVh)

19 My favorite Ridley Scott movie remains The Duellists. Great visuals and a Joseph Conrad short story adaptation. What's not to like?

Posted by: NaCly Dog[/i] at April 28, 2017 03:43 PM (u82oZ)

20 We're all just waiting for Guardians Of The Galaxy 2 to come out, basically. ... Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 08:38 PM (6FqZa) This.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:43 PM (xJa6I)

21 The film itself is a VK test. That is all

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 03:43 PM (TwwWO)

22 I tried three times to watch Blade Runner.  Never made it through the whole thing.


Evening, 'rons.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at April 28, 2017 03:44 PM (/o9Qk)

23 i saw two cuts i think and i don't knwo which one is a euro one so i need help, the one where Decker flies away with his replicant, and behind the scenes talks about how she was not programmed to "expire" (or something like that), which cut is that ?

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:44 PM (c6/9Q)

24 Mark Andrew Edwards -- I think the movie, in its zeal to create ambiguity about humans/replicants, fails to sell any of its characters as humans.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:44 PM (CcUfv)

25 Now this group are a bunch of murderers They were escaped slaves. And from their point of view, everyone they met was a slaver.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:44 PM (LTHVh)

26 Movies. I used to go to them. Not anymore. Meh Hollywood.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2017 03:45 PM (0tfLf)

27 Seems a bit ... harsh about 'Blade Runner' My first response to "Who's the lead?" would be Hauer. It's his story. Deckert is just a barely sentient cog in a machine.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 28, 2017 03:46 PM (uBKPR)

28 Runner-- The original cut (and probably several of the others) had Harrison's voiceover making for a happy ending. ("Oh, and she =wasn't= programmed for instadeath. Yaaaay.") This voiceover appears over the same shot used for the opening of "The Shining", with Jack Torrance's car driving up to the Overlook.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:46 PM (CcUfv)

29 Here's a major plot hole:

The text at the beginning says that REPLICANTS are so dangerous, they're not allowed anywhere except off-world, under penalty of DEATH.

So, no replicants on earth, right?

OK, so then Deckard goes to the corporate HQ, and there's replicant Sean Young strutting around like a 1940s model. Hello, death penalty?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:46 PM (q9Tnv)

30 If I said that I jacked off to this movie, would that be wrong?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 03:46 PM (6Ll1u)

31 I like the movie. I think I like it because it works on different levels. It works as an action flick, but there's philosophical depth there too where if you want to dissect it you can believe that there are no good guys in this movie. It may not do it elegantly, but I think it's approachable for the layperson and that's why it works. For me, anyway.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 28, 2017 03:46 PM (eytER)

32 Is this a post about gladiators?

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2017 03:47 PM (Sfs6o)

33 The text at the beginning says that REPLICANTS are so dangerous, they're not allowed anywhere except off-world, under penalty of DEATH. Wasn't the death penalty for returning?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:47 PM (LTHVh)

34 Original with Solo was the best. That'll do. Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2017 08:40 PM (zLDYs) What about Kuryakin?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (auHtY)

35 The original cut is best. Sorry, but it tranforms what is otherwise a deeply flawed film into a BEAUTIFUL, dark, brooding, film noir experience. Just like in film noir, it is hard to really love anyone in it. Yes, there is not a lot of character development, but somehow it does project emotion. Ridley Scott somehow uses some crazy amalgam of cinematic technique, music, and even silence to move me emotionally so that what should be shallow, does not feel so at all. From the shooting of Zara in the back and how that flips you from thinking "shoot the android" to "he just shot a woman in the back", to the loneliness of Sebastian, the the naive and childlike Roy.. all communicated via non-verbal means. It is a work of art. Some may not like it, as I dislike Rothko, but it makes it no less a masterpiece of cinema.

Posted by: Mordineus at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (u4xKN)

36 The best special effects are those that you do not realize are effects. Fellowship had a few of those moments for me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (VoTpW)

37 I saw Director's Cut, it was fuckin' awesome. https://youtu.be/skhLh35Yn7c

Posted by: Ricky at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (GsAUU)

38 I think the movie, in its zeal to create ambiguity about humans/replicants, fails to sell any of its characters as humans. Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 08:44 PM (CcUfv) I won't argue if you feel that way, everyone gets their own vote. But here's my reason for disagreeing: 1. Roy's grief over Priss's death is the kind of thing only a thinking being experiences. 2. Deckard being 'leaned on' (you're either a cop or you're little people) shows his own ambivalence at being a Blade Runner. And frankly, it shows. He's not great at the job. 3. Sean Young WANTS to be real, wants her memories to mean something. That elevates her above mere eye candy to me. I also never bought the whole Deckard = Replicant thing, that strikes me as retcon territory. He's too normal not to be real.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (xJa6I)

39 I believe that if you listen, the blimp is pretty explicit about you getting to have a replicant sex slave when you go off-world.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (LTHVh)

40 Enough with the negativity ... let's call the "Repli-CANS"! _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 28, 2017 03:48 PM (uBKPR)

41 I didn't get the Volcano death scene at the end. Who was I supposed to root for the volcano or the robot?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 28, 2017 03:49 PM (TJCSB)

42 BumperStickerist -- Actually, when I was writing this, I came to the same conclusion: It's Hauer's story. But he's barely in it. And his denouement is just weird as a result. We don't know this guy except as a soulless (?) killer, and yet all of a sudden, he's got this poetic soul. BTW, Dick thought Rutger Hauer "the perfect Batty--cold, Aryan, flawless". What are we to take from this vis a vis whether or not he has a soul?

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:49 PM (CcUfv)

43 Here's another plot hole you could drive one of those kewl flying cars through:

Supposedly, you can't tell if a person is a replicant unless you ask him or her a bunch of questions. OK, fine, but they determine that naked snake lady's snake is a replicant by putting a few of its scales under a microscope and look, see, there's the serial number, so we got ourselves a replicant. And they can't do something similar with human replicants? Give me a break.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (q9Tnv)

44 Speaking of TPB and Rutger Hauer, Hobo With a Shotgun is highly recommended if you can stomach over-the-top gore.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (GsAUU)

45 29 So, no replicants on earth, right? OK, so then Deckard goes to the corporate HQ, and there's replicant Sean Young strutting around like a 1940s model. Hello, death penalty? Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 08:46 PM (q9Tnv) ======= Wait...a head of a major corporation skirts the law? Had the ability to do whatever he wants? Is trying to find ways around the law? Impossible!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (Jj43a)

46 Also, give me 50's unrealistic optimism over 70's deck and porn music scores any time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD's work phone at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (VoTpW)

47 Deckard is not a replicant

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (c6/9Q)

48 The text at the beginning says that REPLICANTS are so dangerous, they're not allowed anywhere except off-world, under penalty of DEATH. So, no replicants on earth, right? OK, so then Deckard goes to the corporate HQ, and there's replicant Sean Young strutting around like a 1940s model. Hello, death penalty? Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 08:46 PM (q9Tnv) Hello corporate corruption? That's as Noir as it gets. Also, the company that makes the Replicats is based on earth, just like you can manufacture machine guns in WA state but you can't own one as a private citizen.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (xJa6I)

49 Blade Runner.


Running Blades.

You have a blade. And you ... run?


Never understood that.


Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 03:50 PM (Uxokn)

50 Wasn't the death penalty for returning?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 08:47 PM (LTHVh)


I don't think it specified returning. Let me check, I have the movie on my hard drive. Back in a bit.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:51 PM (q9Tnv)

51 I love the version of Blade Runner with the voice over. It's my favorite version, in fact.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 28, 2017 03:51 PM (hVdx9)

52 OK, fine, but they determine that naked snake lady's snake is a replicant by putting a few of its scales under a microscope and look, see, there's the serial number, so we got ourselves a replicant. And they can't do something similar with human replicants? Give me a break. Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 08:50 PM (q9Tnv) The snake is a replicant, as I recall. They didn't DNA test the woman. But I might need to watch the scene again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:51 PM (xJa6I)

53 41 I didn't get the Volcano death scene at the end. Who was I supposed to root for the volcano or the robot? Posted by: Dr Spank at April 28, 2017 08:49 PM (TJCSB) Well, we were definitely rooting for the volcano in Pompeii!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 28, 2017 03:52 PM (hscyr)

54 I prefer the extended TheJamesMadison Runner version.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 28, 2017 03:53 PM (0mRoj)

55 Sebastian has some kind of replicants in his apartment, right? Or are those mechanical?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:53 PM (LTHVh)

56 I love Brade Lunner. Loved it the first time I saw it, with the gumshoe voiceover, loved the director's cut. And I cared about the characters. Who can't feel sorry for Rachel trying to figure out where the implanted memories end and her own experiences begin? Or Zora's desperate scramble to stay alive? Typically Dickian questions about reality and what it is to be human.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 03:53 PM (NT3RT)

57 Look you fucking Star Wars fans, this was the best sci fi movie ever made

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 03:53 PM (6Ll1u)

58 The snake is a replicant, as I recall. They didn't DNA test the woman. But I might need to watch the scene again.
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In the book, DADES? a disease killed off most of Earth's animals and the replicant process was developed to replace the missing pets and repopulate the animal kingdom.

I think that the snake was a nod to that.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (Uxokn)

59 Gah, dinner time. Have fun debatin' Morons. Thanks for the thread, 'gique

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (xJa6I)

60 love the version of Blade Runner with the voice over. It's my favorite version, in fact.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 28, 2017 08:51 PM (hVdx9)


WHICH IS IT ?? how long is it ? which is which ??

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (c6/9Q)

61 Heh, nothing like an old Raider great imploring all the guys in Philly to go shopping for Mom with Mother's Day coming up.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (GsAUU)

62 Blade Runnnr is a good movie, and one I have seen less than dozen of times

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (Ot7+c)

63 "Blade Runner" was just one of many titles considered. I think they hired Scott to make a movie out of a novel called "Blade Runner" but he wanted to do "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", so he kept the title of the one and made the movie about the other. I pause to note that Deckard, in DADES, is sort of an insurance agent. Heh. Another title he wanted was "Gotham City" but Bob Kane wouldn't let him have it.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (CcUfv)

64 and apropos of Movie Night, Miller's Crossing has the best damn dialog ever written.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:54 PM (LTHVh)

65 57 Look you fucking Star Wars fans, this was the best sci fi movie ever made Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 08:53 PM (6Ll1u) ====== "Let's roll." -2001: A Space Odyssey

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 03:55 PM (Jj43a)

66 Rutger Hauer in Blind Fury. Lotsafun.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2017 03:56 PM (zLDYs)

67 I find this so called review troubling. Deeply troubling.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 28, 2017 03:56 PM (3Vlkn)

68 Bladerunner is a lot like Apocalypse Now. You have to suspend logical thinking and go with the flow of the acid trip. Great visuals and incredible moments but don't ask for plot continuity. And the Harrison Ford character is a replicant!

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (bQxkN)

69 65 57 Look you fucking Star Wars fans, this was the best sci fi movie ever made Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 08:53 PM (6Ll1u) ====== "Let's roll." -2001: A Space Odyssey Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 08:55 PM (Jj43a) - Alien and/or Aliens

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (17QyB)

70 I remember being very creeped out by Decker taking what appeared to be a two-dimensional photo and diving in and around it to reveal what was lurking around the corners.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (NT3RT)

71 The turtle question would trip up most humans, let alone skin jobs. No fair!

Posted by: colkax mimgo at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (mc8bR)

72 "Let's roll." -2001: A Space Odyssey Whatever. -Gattaca

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (PFy0L)

73 49 Blade Runner. Running Blades. You have a blade. And you ... run? Never understood that. Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 28, 2017 08:50 PM (Uxokn) Scissors have blades. I was taught not to run with scissors.

Posted by: rickl at April 28, 2017 03:57 PM (sdi6R)

74 The screen text reads:

"After a bloody mutiny...replicants were declared illegal on earth - under penalty of death."

Nothing about returning to earth, but I suppose you could argue it's implied.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:58 PM (q9Tnv)

75 and apropos of Movie Night, Miller's Crossing has the best damn dialog ever written.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 08:54 PM (LTHVh)



This is on my list of movies to watch ASAP.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at April 28, 2017 03:58 PM (/o9Qk)

76 69 - Alien and/or Aliens Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at April 28, 2017 08:57 PM (17QyB) ======== Horror/War Nice try.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 03:58 PM (Jj43a)

77 That's why an old flick, be it Wizard of Oz or Forbidden Planet, still looks great: because it was made to look good, not necessarily real. Not the best examples. In those films, the staff did try with the best effects and techniques available and developed more to bring the respective directors' visions to screen. If CGI were available for either flick, it would have been used. A better example might be Vertigo. Hitchy didn't GAF about FX and wanted the spinning, dizzy sequences to look wholly artificial.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 28, 2017 03:58 PM (GgzGa)

78 64. My brother!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 03:58 PM (TwwWO)

79 I still don't get Decker as a replicant

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (Ot7+c)

80 The phrase "blade runner" does not appear in the novel. It means nothing, it just looks cool. Kind of like the movie itself.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (q9Tnv)

81 This is on my list of movies to watch ASAP. Everyone is perfectly cast as well. Even "Rug", who gets a very short scene.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (LTHVh)

82 And the Harrison Ford character is a replicant!

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 08:57 PM (bQxkN)


FU, no

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (c6/9Q)

83 Hobo With a Shotgun is also a dystopia flick. I wouldn't say TPB fans would like it, but it's definitely of interest. Robb Wells has a brief cameo. Sara Dunsworth did the costume design. And John Dunsworth's other daughter plays the Hooker With a Heart of Gold. If The Burning Times come, I think a lot of municipalities will resemble the setting of Hobo.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (GsAUU)

84 72 72 "Let's roll." -2001: A Space Odyssey Whatever. -Gattaca Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 28, 2017 08:57 PM (PFy0L) ======= *Raises finger* *Thinks* *Lots finger* I can't really object that harshly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 03:59 PM (Jj43a)

85 re: Batty He's not in the film much in the same way that Bruce the Shark isn't in Jaws all that much. Roy's presence as the Replicant Leader is established (going off memory here) when they go through the specs of the different models. Ultimately it's a show down between Batty and Deckert much like it was between Bruce and Brody. The difference being that Brody doesn't shoot air tank killing the shark, instead the shark decides to die of ennui as it approaches the boat. _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 28, 2017 04:00 PM (uBKPR)

86 The Matrix is pretty good I heard.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 28, 2017 04:00 PM (TJCSB)

87 Ugh...lowers finger

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:00 PM (Jj43a)

88 86. **coughs** Dark City.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (TwwWO)

89 Grump928(c) -- "Miller's Crossing" is terrific. It actually was one of the films that kicked off the whole "classic" schtick. Of the 40 films we've seen so far this year, probably 25 have been "classics". My review, with hats: http://moviegique.com/index.php/2016/03/22/millers-crossing-1990/

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (CcUfv)

90 Have never been able to sit through Blade Runner and I love films. Don't know why. Just never grabbed me.

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (yxUNy)

91 The snake is a replicant, as I recall. They didn't DNA test the woman. But I might need to watch the scene again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 28, 2017 08:51 PM (xJa6I)


That's my point. It's inconsistent, which to me smacks of incompetent writing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (q9Tnv)

92 Gattaca is so, so.  flat.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (c6/9Q)

93 I seem to remember Hauer being really scary in The Hitcher. Though I might just have been high.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (LTHVh)

94 I disagree completely with the complaints about the voiceover, it was perfect for the genre and the feel of the story. I know Ridley Scott hated it but I really prefer that version. The film has a kind of comfortable feel despite is sci fi trappings up until he kills the first replicant. That girl crashing through the glass like a butterfly for no reason other than that she was an escaped bioslave, that was brutal to watch. It got harder from that point on until at the end, you realize that Deckard is the bad guy. The snake serial number thing is straight from the novel. The hole book, Deckard thinks he's found a real animal -- all the animals are dead and only these fakes are around -- and in the end, its just another lab grown one. But they're robots, not replicants. The animals aren't grown or simulated people like the republicans, they're just super sophisticated devices. Lifelike mechanical toads. And yeah, its Deckard.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:01 PM (39g3+)

95 Ever watch Indians and aliens? Bros know the truth

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (6Ll1u)

96 Fair point, weft-cut.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (CcUfv)

97 **coughs** Dark City. Boom. Also, The 13th Floor > The Matrix.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (LTHVh)

98 A 'blade runner' is somebody who runs along the edge of a blade. This presupposes a vertically oriented blade. Basically, somebody who's on a very narrow path.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (uBKPR)

99 The problem with Decker as replicant : exactly whose memories did they use as a template? Is there some other Blade Runner that retired but they keep copies around in case they still need his skills? Sorry not buying it, and it adds nothing at all to the movie, makes it much worse in my opinion. For the record I also like the happy ending version of Brazil.

Posted by: Mordineus at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (u4xKN)

100 I still don't get Decker as a replicant
Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 08:59 PM (Ot7+c)


I don't either, it's just a load of ex post facto bullshit, like JFK conspiracy theories.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (q9Tnv)

101 Chiefs are on the clock!

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:02 PM (GsAUU)

102 4 The critics have delivered to Dave Eggers, Emma Watson, and Tom Hanks a bag of dicks, apiece. 17% for The Circle on Rotten Tomatoes. Owch. The critics didn't give a kiss to Below Her Mouth, either. 21%. I *hope* this marks a trend in not rewarding SJWs for being SJW. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 08:37 PM (6FqZa) ------ Saw it today. What's funny is that it turns out to be a huge critique of SJW's and the herd mentality. Individuality is shunned. Privacy is shunned. Hunting is an excuse to gang up on an innocent and harass him to misery. People who live for social media are nuts. It was a conservative film even if they don't realize it. Probably why the critics hated it.

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 04:03 PM (yxUNy)

103 3. If you can't root for Sean Young in this movie, you need to take the Voight-Kampff test.

Sure, let's call it "rooting".  It's a pity she turned into a less than attractive (or sane) nutjob, but at the time, she was stunning.  I especially liked her in the big fur collar. 

Anyway, 2001, of course. 

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:03 PM (LAe3v)

104 Oh my. Very well written, but just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Harrison's character: Harrison was playing a mish mash of Humphrey Bogart's Sam Space and Phillip Marlowe.

The narration was an important part of establishing Deckard's character as well as setting the tone of the film: film noir in the 21st century.

If Deckard was a replicant, that doesn't make him a sociopath. There were two kinds of replicants in the movie: those that knew they were replicants, like Roy Batty, and those that didn't like Rachel (at least initially). The speculation about Deckard is that he was one of the unknowing replicants: he thought he was human and (mostly) accepted the conventional wisdom that the replicants were merely things.

I would also argue that the other android's were not sociopaths. They were created as slave labor. They were purposely given a 4 year life span. They were willing to kill in an attempt to extend their lives., And, while they treated each other with a moral code, they felt no obligations to the humans who had enslaved them and were planning on killing them on sight. If humans are allowed self defense, why not android who were made to be "more human than human"?

The movie explores the question of the morality of treating replicants as machines if they are made so well that they have a sense of identity.

I think, therefore I am.

Is it ok to create a non-human slave race? If they have no sense of individual identity, sure, no problem. They aren't any more human than the toaster. But, if it becomes possible to create a being with it's own sense of identity, how can it be moral to own it?

And finally, the best version is the International version. That one has the narration and was not edited for violence (ala US version). The later versions are interesting for the unicorn dream sequence, but as they are missing the narration, they are inferior.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 04:04 PM (R+30W)

105 Here's the first Voight-Kampff test sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umc9ezAyJv0 What a smug bastard the proctor is! Also, very noirish veil of cigarette smoke. Is it just me, or is smoking making a comeback in television?

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 04:04 PM (NT3RT)

106 No Deckard isn't a replicant, but I can see why people think so. It kind of fits in some ways, and its fun to theorize about. But he's a person. Replicants were kind of a labor of ego by their creator, he wanted them to be as perfectly human as he could but the people he made them for were afraid they'd be trouble (being tougher, faster, and stronger than normal humans etc) so they were designed to die after a short run. They don't have serial numbers etc because they're designed to be completely human, on purpose, by a slightly mad genius.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:04 PM (39g3+)

107 Tanoh Kpassanoh. What a name.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:04 PM (GsAUU)

108 Rutger Hauer in "Ladyhawke" Young Matthew Broderick, Michelle Pfeiffer at her most lovely, Leo McKern..just a great cast. The only thing you have to get past is the jarring soundtrack. It is just awful.

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:04 PM (jm1YL)

109 The gun is good.
The penis is bad.

Posted by: Zardoz at April 28, 2017 04:05 PM (nlbfN)

110 And the Harrison Ford character is a replicant! FU, no We could debate for hours. Can we agree that the scene that leads up to the Rutger Hauer character dying is incredibly special. Like the Flight of the Valkyries scene in Apocalypse Now

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 04:05 PM (bQxkN)

111 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 28, 2017 04:06 PM (z9GNb)

112 I think each "kill" scene setting had a meaning - Pris among the mannequins and dolls - remember her role, her designation was a "pleasure model", Rutger at the end dies at the top (of some building I think) - his final act - saved the man who was to kill him.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:07 PM (c6/9Q)

113 Sorta the same. Brian De Palma movies. There is a lot right about them, including the look, but De Palma has never made a truly good movie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:07 PM (Nwg0u)

114 92 Gattaca is so, so. flat.
Posted by: runner


I liked it.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at April 28, 2017 04:07 PM (LAe3v)

115 Tuna - you had me right until you insulted the soundtrack. I LOVE that soundtrack to Ladyhawke. feels very Alan Parsons to me..

Posted by: Mordineus at April 28, 2017 04:08 PM (u4xKN)

116
We could debate for hours.


Could?  You're new here, aren't you.

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:08 PM (LAe3v)

117 113 Sorta the same. Brian De Palma movies. There is a lot right about them, including the look, but De Palma has never made a truly good movie. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 09:07 PM (Nwg0u) --Didn't he do The Untouchables? I thought that was good.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:08 PM (GsAUU)

118 Rutger Hauer was so amazing in this film it makes me wonder what happened in his other work. He's just not very good in anything else. He basically is the same guy every time, and kind of stiff. In this, he has a nobility and charisma that is lacking in the rest of his films. I wonder if it wasn't the director, because while he can make some stinkers, Ridley Scott can make really great films, too. I will give him points for boffing a very young Jennifer Jason Leigh in Flesh & Blood though. Terrible movie, but wow is she gorgeous

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (39g3+)

119 To bad Betty Page didn't stick around to play an alien temptress from Mars. She was so Hot.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (6Ll1u)

120 If that replicant chick starts turning cartwheels, you're in for a big surprise.

Posted by: Harrison Ford at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (ZO497)

121 The Hitcher is a scary movie And I liked Sean Young

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (Ot7+c)

122 The only people who think that 'tortoises' and 'turtles' are the 'same thing' never tried to fuck a turtle. Trust me.

Posted by: Tortoise at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (uBKPR)

123 Oh my Goodness. Any person who does not understand, who is not be-gripped by, B.R. lacks oxytocin, OR has never: a. been truly lonely; b. been trapped; c. had his well-being deeply contingent on someone else; d. had to take a leap of faith, in love; e. been acquainted with anything other than success and luck in life; f. known mercy. [Please note the disjunctive "or".]

Posted by: Venus d' Sighlow at April 28, 2017 04:09 PM (i/H7f)

124 We could debate for hours....


Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 09:05 PM (bQxkN)


let's pretend that we did, and walk away agreeing to disagree ?

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:10 PM (c6/9Q)

125 >>Oh my. Very well written, but just wrong, wrong, wrong. I have MANY wrong opinions! >>Harrison's character: Harrison was playing a mish mash of Humphrey Bogart's Sam Space and Phillip Marlowe. Well, duh. =P >>The narration was an important part of establishing Deckard's character as well as setting the tone of the film: film noir in the 21st century. So important it wasn't part of the film until it tested badly, and is frequently cited as the worst aspect of the film? (I'm not saying that's right, btw, just pointing it out.) >>I would also argue that the other android's were not sociopaths. This is where I have to disagree, seriously. There are certain movie techniques for showing when a character is cynically manipulating others--like the smile to your face that changes to a flat expression or leer when you look away. This was necessary to create a sense of menace, on the one hand, but it completely undermines the movie on the other. If the slave analogy is to work, then the leaders should be reflective of those who led slaves to freedom, don't you think?

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:10 PM (CcUfv)

126 Drew Pearson taking the booing in stride. LMAO

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:10 PM (GsAUU)

127 Lots of layers

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:10 PM (c6/9Q)

128 I imagine Kimberly Guilfoyle's closet to have a pair of shoes to match each dress. NTTAWWT.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 04:10 PM (ZO497)

129 Is that a Webley in your nappy, or are you just glad to see me?

Posted by: Apathetic at April 28, 2017 04:11 PM (kP16F)

130 Yeah Untouchables was a really great movie by De Palma but I agree he usually is not quite there. Technically great, but something's usually missing. He studied film making too hard and didn't really feel enough or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:11 PM (39g3+)

131 "115 Tuna - you had me right until you insulted the soundtrack. I LOVE that soundtrack to Ladyhawke. feels very Alan Parsons to me.. " I'm a traditionalist. Even to my, then, young ears, it was jarring.

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:11 PM (jm1YL)

132 To each their own, I guess. I understand the characters, can relate in some ways to their situations and find more than a couple of them sympathetic. I prefer the version without the voice over. I like the the experience that you are a witness to events and people that are strange and unfamiliar... yet, you gain an understanding as if you were tagging along with these strangers in this strange world. It's a testament to the whole production that this understanding comes without much exposition and spoon feeding. It's not an easy task, you got to concentrate on the movie and go with it... but, it's really worth it. It's sad, tragic movie and the cast and script really sell their predicaments with a bare minimum of background blah blah. This is a hallmark of of a truly great piece. Do you fully understand these people? No... But, you see all you need to about them, in the here and now, to understand them enough. That's what counts and that's plenty.

Posted by: otho at April 28, 2017 04:12 PM (lmIoG)

133 Rutger Hauer's best movie? "Night Hawks" Also, the movie most desperately in need of a different sound track. And I like ELP.

Posted by: Tortoise at April 28, 2017 04:13 PM (uBKPR)

134 @43 Supposedly, you can't tell if a person is a replicant unless you ask him or her a bunch of questions. OK, fine, but they determine that naked snake lady's snake is a replicant by putting a few of its scales under a microscope and look, see, there's the serial number, so we got ourselves a replicant. And they can't do something similar with human replicants? Give me a break. ---------------- Who's going to know? He's the head of the corporation that makes replicants. Are you going to trust him, or some random cop who claims she failed a VK test? Remember that even she doesn't believe she's a replicant until Ford's character starts bringing up her memories.

Posted by: junior at April 28, 2017 04:13 PM (To4O8)

135 We could debate for hours.... we often do

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 28, 2017 04:13 PM (z9GNb)

136 I never saw the replicants as evil or sociopathic, but... artificial. They hadn't had decades to grow into maturity and learn, they hadn't any sort of developed worldview. They had a personality and viewpoint downloaded into their brains, without any connection between events and thoughts. They weren't equipped to make any kind of deep decisions or analysis. They went with what seemed best for them at the moment, without any regard for right or wrong, because they're at most 4 years old.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (39g3+)

137 Skip.. that was Jennifer Jason Leigh.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (CNHr1)

138 The last guy to ask me if I was a lesbian, had a robbery/boating/suicide accident.

Posted by: hillary (')(.) at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (nlbfN)

139 >> The only thing you have to get past is the jarring soundtrack. It is just awful. Ha! It was...inappropriate, I thought. The ending of Ladyhawke is also so terribly cliché as to be awful. "Well, we gotta end here...let's have the villain guarantee that the hero has to kill him." Richard Donner can direct, tho'.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (CcUfv)

140 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (ZO497)

141 It was a conservative film even if they don't realize it. Probably why the critics hated it. Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 09:03 PM (yxUNy) --- I loved the book. Everybody at The Circle had to be woven into the fabric of information and interconnectivity and be accessible 24/7. Who wouldn't want that? WHO?! The chirpy invasiveness was much scarier than the classic jackbooted thugs scenario.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (NT3RT)

142 otho, did you like Hobo With a Shotgun? (I'll be very disappointed if you haven't seen it. )

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:14 PM (GsAUU)

143 Dana Perino looks lovely and crazy and appears to have acquire a meth habit .

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:15 PM (Uxokn)

144 135 We could debate for hours.... we often do Posted by: AltonJackson at April 28, 2017 09:13 PM (z9GNb) ===== Who wants to talk about Rogue One?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:15 PM (Jj43a)

145 After that toasting in the NFC Championship game, the Pack are racking up DBs.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:15 PM (GsAUU)

146 They went with what seemed best for them at the moment, without any regard for right or wrong, because they're at most 4 years old. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor ------------- In many ways, this is the story of Barack Obama.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 04:15 PM (ZO497)

147 If only the Royal College of Art had an MBA program ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (fiGNd)

148 I imagine Kimberly Guilfoyle's closet to have a pair of shoes to match each dress. NTTAWWT. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc

===


She throws them away after each show.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (Uxokn)

149 JuJu Smith-Schuster to the Stillers.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (GsAUU)

150 Wow no mention of how Blade Runner is part of the shared universe with a whole bunch of other movies like Alien, Prometheus, Outland, Soldier, and possibly ... Star Trek.

Posted by: Eric at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (LiN1N)

151 I think the next movie review should be Brazil.. we can focus on films that have multiple, contested, cuts.

Posted by: Mordineus at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (u4xKN)

152 Dana Perino looks lovely and crazy and appears to have acquire a meth habit . Posted by: Mortimer ---------- Nah. She has all of her teeth.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 04:16 PM (ZO497)

153 One problem I imagine with Sci-fi stories especially is keeping laws in line since you are making them up.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 04:17 PM (Ot7+c)

154 I like The Untouchables, a lot. http://moviegique.com/index.php/2013/03/14/the-untouchables-1987/

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:17 PM (CcUfv)

155 Starship Troopers destroyed my hopes and dreams for a movie representation of one of my favorite books.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:17 PM (Uxokn)

156 Unlike most movies discussed at the HQ, I actually saw Bladerunner.  My young bf insisted (I think I saw more movies from 1996-1999 than I saw in the previous 20 years).

This was in maybe 1997, so I have no way of knowing which version it was.  It was OK.  I watched the whole thing.

My issue may be a generational one - I don't understand the appeal of dystopia.  He was/is Gen X and I'm a boomer.  Is that the difference?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 28, 2017 04:17 PM (tHwdc)

157 140 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc

Not even to "We Were Soldiers Once"?

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (LAe3v)

158 "Blind Fury" with Hauer as the blind karate guy is one of my guilty pleasures. With Tex Cobb as the psycho hit man. If it wasn't for the whiny little kid, it'd be a great movie.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (qJhUV)

159 But they're robots, not replicants. The animals aren't grown or simulated people like the republicans, they're just super sophisticated devices. Lifelike mechanical toads.

And yeah, its Deckard.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:01 PM (39g3+)



Heh.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (/o9Qk)

160 Mike Hammer. well if you were going to notice one that was a great one. Beautiful.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (CNHr1)

161 I'm sure someone said it already while I was reading the post but I liked Daryl, Daryl and Daryl guy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (IDPbH)

162 Kung Fu Panda?

Dude, James Hong is Lo Pan.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (x3uSY)

163 I imagine Kimberly Guilfoyle's closet to have a pair of shoes to match each dress. NTTAWWT. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc === She throws them away after each show. Posted by: Mortimer ----------- Perhaps. Dresses too? Thus avoiding any possibility of the fashion faux pas of being seen on-air twice in the same outfit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (ZO497)

164 If only the Royal College of Art had an MBA program ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 09:16 PM (fiGNd)


ScoggDog would join in a heartbeat

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:18 PM (c6/9Q)

165 Best Rutger Hauer movie? Wanted: Dead or Alive Hauer, Gene Simmons, Robert Robert Guillaume Randall: "Fuck the bonus." (*boom* )

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (GgzGa)

166 Miley, you chose the pleasure model. Why were you debating movies with him?

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (NT3RT)

167 I have nothing to say when it comes to the talkies, so I will sit quietly and read along until the thread goes off on a tangent that I know something about.  Blade Runner?  Do I look like I know Blade Runner?



Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (lwiT4)

168 I saw this thing in a pre-release screening at the local university theater guild.  It was and is a fantastic film.  The visuals are all well done, as you say, but the thing about the film is its highlight on emotions.  The only difference between the dangerous replicants and boring humans is their emotional reaction to events.  So, the audience is keyed, right at the beginning of the film, to watch everyone for emotional reactions.  The scene with Pris and Sebastian is almost painful to watch, because of this.  We are confronted in every scene with a challenge to create the inner dialogue for each character and then match it against what transpires.  I admit I have not succeeded at this with Rachael in nearly any of her scenes.  Maybe that's the fault of the film, or me, but not important.  Just having to actively watch this thing makes it so strong.

Great movie.  Everyone should see it.

Posted by: rammerplex at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (S1j8O)

169 --- I loved the book. Everybody at The Circle had to be woven into the fabric of information and interconnectivity and be accessible 24/7. Who wouldn't want that? WHO?! The chirpy invasiveness was much scarier than the classic jackbooted thugs scenario. Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 09:14 PM (NT3RT) --------------- Started reading the book today. Glad you liked it. I cannot imagine anyone empathizing with any of the Circle employees. They're nuts.

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (yxUNy)

170 Nah. She has all of her teeth. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 28, 2017 09:16 PM (ZO497) Or a really good dentist like NGU!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at April 28, 2017 04:19 PM (gwPgz)

171 Many of Kubrick's flicks dealt with the question of what does it mean to be human and not an automaton, Clockwork Orange most of all. Bladerunner hits on this as well. The Replicants, especially the Rutger Hauer one, are more human than we are

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 04:20 PM (bQxkN)

172 I never saw the replicants as evil or sociopathic, but... artificial. - Lizzy Warren's a replicant?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:20 PM (Nwg0u)

173 >>I would also argue that the other android's were not sociopaths.

This is where I have to disagree, seriously. There are certain movie techniques for showing when a character is cynically manipulating others--like the smile to your face that changes to a flat expression or leer when you look away.

This was necessary to create a sense of menace, on the one hand, but it completely undermines the movie on the other.

If the slave analogy is to work, then the leaders should be reflective of those who led slaves to freedom, don't you think?

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:10 PM (CcUfv)

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What of Spartacus? Did he always show his true face to the Romans?

It seems to me that just as it is the case that slave owners frequently view their chattel as less than human, so it must be with the slaves. Many must view their owners as creatures who have forfeited any claim to compassionate treatment. If it is necessary to kill your master to gain your freedom, who can say it is immoral to do so? Aside from the masters, that is.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 04:20 PM (R+30W)

174 Nah. She has all of her teeth. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc

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She's talking! Where is the bipolar mousy / potentially explosive crazyhot IhateyouIloveyouIhateyouIloveyou girl I have grown so accustomed to?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:20 PM (Uxokn)

175 ScoggDog would join in a heartbeat Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 09:18 PM (c6/9Q) Hell ... I'm applying online now ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 04:20 PM (fiGNd)

176 My issue may be a generational one - I don't understand the appeal of dystopia. He was/is Gen X and I'm a boomer. Is that the difference? Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at April 28, 2017 09:17 PM (tHwdc) ======= The difference was probably more life experience, therefore more cynicism and not being able to suspend disbelief.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 28, 2017 04:21 PM (1Z3v+)

177 Miley-- Might very well be. Cyberpunk is VERY Gen-X. The Boomers grew up on The Greatest Generation's optimism. Xers grew up on Boomer's apocalypticism. A not-quite-apocalytpic, cool-techno-but-still-malevolent future was the result.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:21 PM (CcUfv)

178 Bad news is that your sex bot will cost you more money than you have

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 04:21 PM (6Ll1u)

179 154 I like The Untouchables, a lot. http://moviegique.com/index.php/2013/03/14/the-untouchables-1987/ Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:17 PM (CcUfv) --Good review. It has been a long time since I last saw it. I's like to catch it again.

Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 04:21 PM (GsAUU)

180 otho, did you like Hobo With a Shotgun? (I'll be very disappointed if you haven't seen it. ) Posted by: logprof at April 28, 2017 09:14 PM Alas, I have not seen...

Posted by: otho at April 28, 2017 04:21 PM (lmIoG)

181 rammerplex - I like your line of thinking there... and I think I agree with you. Rachael was a mess though, because she was a copy of a real woman, then finds out so.. That causes her entire emotional world to collapse. Mommy isn't mommy, etc.

Posted by: Mordineus at April 28, 2017 04:22 PM (u4xKN)

182 I would just like to state that the problem I have with Blade Runner is that Harrison Ford stinks at his job. He is saved by Sean Young, avoids death because Pris decides to go flipping away, and Hauer decides not to kill him.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:22 PM (J70i0)

183 Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:10 PM (CcUfv) The replicants were not sociopaths... they were children who did not have time to learn... When looked at through that prism, there actions were predictable...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 28, 2017 04:22 PM (NgKpN)

184 Bad news is that your sex bot will cost you more money than you have Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 09:21 PM (6Ll1u) Don't let 'em have pockets. Eddie Murphy explained this.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 04:22 PM (fiGNd)

185 Melmoth -- I called out Sanderson ("Larry, Darryl and Darryl") in the review piano guy -- Sure, he was Lo Pan and a zillion other guys. But I got kids. So he's Kung Fu Panda's dad.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:23 PM (CcUfv)

186 Daryl Hannah is crazy and weird and likely as leftist as Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sander's hideous love child, but she was so very, very pretty. And the first person to show nipple and nakey buns in a Disney movie (Splash).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:23 PM (39g3+)

187 Yeah Untouchables was a really great movie by De Palma - It insists upon itself.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:24 PM (Nwg0u)

188 182 I would just like to state that the problem I have with Blade Runner is that Harrison Ford stinks at his job. He is saved by Sean Young, avoids death because Pris decides to go flipping away, and Hauer decides not to kill him. Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 09:22 PM (J70i0) ====== That's actually some of the evidence that he's a replicant. He's not really a blade runner, he's play acting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:24 PM (Jj43a)

189 178 Bad news is that your sex bot will cost you more money than you have Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 09:21 PM (6Ll1u) So just like an Ex Wife? /rimshot

Posted by: Don Q., at April 28, 2017 04:24 PM (NgKpN)

190 I tried watching Blade Runner twice & fell asleep each time.

Posted by: josephistan at April 28, 2017 04:24 PM (ANIFC)

191 Would anyone like some toast? How about some scrummy English muffins?

Posted by: Red Dwarf toaster at April 28, 2017 04:24 PM (nlbfN)

192 Oh sorry.. I was in the wrong movie. I can't keep up with you guys.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:25 PM (CNHr1)

193 Cyberpunk is VERY Gen-X.
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Neuromancer put me on my career path. Gibson at his best  was and unbelievable worldbuilder and futurist.


Don't even mention 'Johnny Mnemonic'.


Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:25 PM (Uxokn)

194 I saw Miller's Crossing a few months ago because ace quoted it in some context or other. Like all Coen brothers' movies, the dialogue seemed overly stiff and wooden to me. It alienates me from the characters. I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve with that technique.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:25 PM (vRcUp)

195 I liked Johnny Mnemonic, actually. But I never read the book, so I can't compare it to what it should have been.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (39g3+)

196 I found Hannibal most compelling, he understood fatality of his and his friends' existence and rebelled against it.  It is not that he hated humans, he hated that they created a limit on his life. 

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (c6/9Q)

197 I *hope* this marks a trend in not rewarding SJWs for being SJW. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 08:37 PM (6FqZa) All I could think of for the trailers for the film is once again Boyega is cast opposite some white waif.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (J70i0)

198 The Untouchables I love the "Enthusiasms" speech... DJT should give it to Paul Ryan and GOP leadership

Posted by: Al Capone at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (DpOmP)

199 161 I'm sure someone said it already while I was reading the post but I liked Daryl, Daryl and Daryl guy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 09:18 PM (IDPbH)

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He was Larry on The Newhart Show. Both his brothers were maned Darryl.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (R+30W)

200 Miley, you chose the pleasure model. Why were you debating movies with him?

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 09:19 PM (NT3RT)


LOL - no debates, that would ruin the pleasure ;-)

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 28, 2017 04:26 PM (tHwdc)

201 I got nothin'. Never read the book, never saw the movie, and have no plans to ever make up the shortfall. It's just not part of my culture. You don't miss what you never had, I guess. No offense intended to Moviegique or the Cobs, but this just isn't in my wheelhouse. And the same can be said for a lot of other movies. I've just lost my taste for sitting in a theater for X number of hours to watch someone else's fantasy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (0deF2)

202 "was an unbelievable world-builder"


One day I will quit buying dollar store cheaters and go to the eye doctor.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (Uxokn)

203 Neuromancer put me on my career path. Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 28, 2017 09:25 PM (Uxokn) *Updates dossier*

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (fiGNd)

204 195 I liked Johnny Mnemonic, actually. But I never read the book, so I can't compare it to what it should have been. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:26 PM (39g3+) ===== "What it should have been" I literally hate this idea of an argument. Movie and books are different. One should not be judged based on the merits or contents of another.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (Jj43a)

205 Hopefully the best scifi movie will be released as a tribute to the 80's. The book was fun once it got away from being PC.

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (yxUNy)

206 Many of Kubrick's flicks dealt with the question of what does it mean to be human and not an automaton, Clockwork Orange most of all.

Bladerunner hits on this as well. The Replicants, especially the Rutger Hauer one, are more human than we are

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 09:20 PM
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Really interesting observation.

Posted by: shibumi at April 28, 2017 04:27 PM (8zWAk)

207 I'm still gorging on Ancient Aliens, the Hot Cheetohs of television. It's so deliciously awful. Werner von Boom and Disney did some Man In Space flicks, which I have only seen projected in the background at my favorite club back in the day while throbbing techno ruined my chromosomes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 04:28 PM (NT3RT)

208 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. ----------- Last of the Mohicans Braveheart The English Patient

Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 04:28 PM (kufk0)

209 By the way, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is not a very good book. Blade Runner covers about the first 3 chapters, then its a long dreary dissertation on a fake religion, the meaning of life, and longing for reality in an artificial world. He takes like 30 chapters to wrap up with Deckard insane clutching a fake toad.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:28 PM (39g3+)

210 I would just like to state that the problem I have with Blade Runner is that Harrison Ford stinks at his job. He is saved by Sean Young, avoids death because Pris decides to go flipping away, and Hauer decides not to kill him.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 09:22 PM (J70i0)


interesting, no? a man whose job is to terminate replicants is saved by them.  who is more humane ?

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:28 PM (c6/9Q)

211 *Updates dossier* Posted by: ScoggDog
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That is one boring document you have there.  :-)

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:29 PM (Uxokn)

212 >>It seems to me that just as it is the case that slave owners frequently view their chattel as less than human, so it must be with the slaves.<< I'm not gonna disagree with any of you about your takes on the movie because my guiding theory about film critics is that they see a movie much like the rest of us, and then use their knowledge of film to create justifications for their gut reactions. What I =think= would have worked for me was some genuinely convincing sense of humanity even if it were just between the androids. But that would've worked against the movie as Scott envisioned it. So be it. As my son ("The Boy" on the blog) said after "The Lure", "I should have watched it better."

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:29 PM (CcUfv)

213 And now I go into hiding before the legions of Ridlicants come after me. Wait, the hot ones?

Posted by: Jean at April 28, 2017 04:29 PM (nD4Y0)

214 Barry Manilow stars as: Blade Mincer.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:29 PM (vRcUp)

215 Don Q -- I do not share your vision of children. None of mine have tried to kill me so far, despite multiple opportunities and motives.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:30 PM (CcUfv)

216 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc Some really stand out like Star Wars, Jaws, Patton.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 28, 2017 04:30 PM (auHtY)

217 185 Melmoth -- I called out Sanderson ("Larry, Darryl and Darryl") in the review piano guy -- Sure, he was Lo Pan and a zillion other guys. But I got kids. So he's Kung Fu Panda's dad. Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:23 PM (CcUfv) Yes you said his acting was fine but prior to that you asked if there was any character to give a damn about and Sanderson's character was sympathetic to me.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:30 PM (IDPbH)

218 I give this review two thumbs up.

Posted by: Zombie Leo Tolstoy at April 28, 2017 04:30 PM (Tyii7)

219 Looks really faggy to me.

Posted by: jbspry at April 28, 2017 04:31 PM (ycm4Q)

220 OT -

I know something is up with FenelonKid but the ONT was unreachable this morning.

None of my business but is Fen okay?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:31 PM (Uxokn)

221 The difference was probably more life experience, therefore more cynicism and not being able to suspend disbelief.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 28, 2017 09:21 PM (1Z3v+)


He was very intelligent, but at 23...yeah.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 28, 2017 04:31 PM (tHwdc)

222 That is one boring document you have there. :-) Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 28, 2017 09:29 PM (Uxokn) You should see the one I have on me. Holy. Shit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 28, 2017 04:32 PM (fiGNd)

223 I tend to notice the soundtrack in every film, because I love soundtracks. I think Blade Runner was the first one that grabbed me by the ears and took hold, actually. There are some pretty poor films that had great soundtracks like King Arthur and some great films made a lot better like Gladiator. Master and Commander had a wonderful soundtrack as well, it made the movie more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:32 PM (39g3+)

224 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. ----------- Last of the Mohicans Braveheart The English Patient - Star Wars Schindler's List Patton

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:32 PM (Nwg0u)

225 I liked the soundtrack to Master and Commander. It added to the movie greatly.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:32 PM (IDPbH)

226 Not mentioned here yet is the Almos character keeping a close watch on Deckard. Lends a bit of credence to Deckard being a skin-job. Like it's his job to retire Deckard if he/it gets out of line.

Posted by: davidt at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (XoldI)

227 Anyone see Oblivion? I wound up liking it in spite of Crazy Cruise.....

Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (kufk0)

228 You know what film had a bad soundtrack? Suicide Squad. Its not that the songs were bad, its that they were just slapped on to scenes without any careful mixing, just to have the song there. They watched Guardians of the Galaxy and thought "dude! We gotta do that!" without studying how it was done.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (39g3+)

229 Pirates soundtrack (Hans Zimmer ?)

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (c6/9Q)

230 Magnificent Seven

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (IqV8l)

231 Could somebody explain to me what draws people to aliens, robots, repli....whatevers, sci-fantasy, or mechanical people in regards to story telling?  To me it just sounds weird and forced and techie for the sake of techie.


Don't get me wrong - people like what they like.  But if I hear Star Trek or Star Wars or robots or transformers or autopilot-people or time-travel or shape-shifting, you totally lose me. I can't make the connection.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 04:33 PM (lwiT4)

232 "208 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. ----------- Last of the Mohicans Braveheart The English Patient" Gone with the Wind Ben-Hur Psycho Gladiator The Robe Obsession....

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (jm1YL)

233 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:32 PM (39g3+) Okay I'm not the only one to think that about M&C.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (IDPbH)

234 225 I liked the soundtrack to Master and Commander. It added to the movie greatly. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 09:32 PM (IDPbH) ===== Mostly classical music. The final moment played to Baccharinni always makes me smile like a moron.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (Jj43a)

235 The replicants were not sociopaths... they were children who did not have time to learn... So Deckerd could have defeated them with Ritalin?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (vRcUp)

236 Theatrical version is my favorite.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (v3DL/)

237 I had always hoped Olmos' character would ditch the toothpick/matchbook origami or whatever, and cut loose in his next scene with an AK-47.

Posted by: Fritz at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (TNQMS)

238 Not mentioned here yet is the Almos character keeping a close watch on Deckard. Lends a bit of credence to Deckard being a skin-job. Like it's his job to retire Deckard if he/it gets out of line.

Posted by: davidt at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (XoldI)



iiiiteresting.  I thought it was a loyalty issue - since Deckard retired. (or was he ?)

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (c6/9Q)

239 Laurence of Arabia The Sting reintroduced ragtime music

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2017 04:34 PM (Ot7+c)

240 The soundtrack to The Day the Earth Stood Still made the movie.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:35 PM (IqV8l)

241 I would just like to state that the problem I have with Blade Runner is that Harrison Ford stinks at his job. He is saved by Sean Young, avoids death because Pris decides to go flipping away, and Hauer decides not to kill him. - He's a human being, not a human doing.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:35 PM (Nwg0u)

242 229 Pirates soundtrack (Hans Zimmer ?) Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (c6/9Q) ====== All but the first one. That was Klaus Badlet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:35 PM (Jj43a)

243 I had always hoped Olmos' character would ditch the toothpick/matchbook origami or whatever, and cut loose in his next scene with an AK-47.

==

yes, had that aura about him

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:35 PM (c6/9Q)

244 230 Magnificent Seven Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (IqV8l) Wasn't the theme played for a cigarette commercial or another product?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:35 PM (IDPbH)

245 Logprof, you're so right! "Ancient astronaut theorists say" is the bestest drinking game ever!

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 28, 2017 04:36 PM (NT3RT)

246 Mort.. last I saw which was later in the morning it seemed like everything was ok. She wanted him to see a counselor at school. I didn't see anything after that and I've been on and off all day.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:36 PM (CNHr1)

247 Almos's character was watching Deckard closely because Deckard had proved increasingly unstable and was losing his edge where he was willing to kill people simply because they were artificially created. He wasn't there to take out a replicant, he was there to take out a blade runner who might go rogue.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:36 PM (39g3+)

248 Mostly classical music. The final moment played to Baccharinni always makes me smile like a moron. Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone I recommend you watch Ladykillers, with Alec Guinness and Herbert Lom.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:36 PM (vRcUp)

249 That was Klaus Badlet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 09:35 PM (Jj43a)


GoT soundtrack is good, Zimmer's understudy

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (c6/9Q)

250 It took me a long time to figure out why I like it, being a Christian. In fact, I just figured it out. It's very Ecclesiastical.

Posted by: Koholeth at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (FXg2y)

251 Last of the Mohicans Braveheart The English Patient" Gone with the Wind Ben-Hur Psycho Gladiator The Robe Obsession.... Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 09:34 PM (jm1YL) Horny Co-eds 6 or was it 7?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (auHtY)

252 My issue may be a generational one - I don't understand the appeal of dystopia.

Clearly you've never been on the "It's A Small World" ride.

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (LAe3v)

253 Das Boot had a good soundtrack, too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (Nwg0u)

254 Could somebody explain to me what draws people to aliens, robots, repli....whatevers, sci-fantasy, or mechanical people in regards to story telling? To me it just sounds weird and forced and techie for the sake of techie. I feel the same way about musicals. The only musical I have ever watched all the way through was The Wizard of Oz. I guess it's considered a musical.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (IqV8l)

255 Anyone see Oblivion? I wound up liking it in spite of Crazy Cruise..... Posted by: lindarose Yep, I liked it. A bit sterile but a decent sci-fi flick. How It Should Have Ended has a funny take on the ending, if you haven't seen it already. Worth a click. youtu.be/3rf5QwVAAxg

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 28, 2017 04:37 PM (GgzGa)

256 244 230 Magnificent Seven
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (IqV8l)

Wasn't the theme played for a cigarette commercial or another product?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 09:35 PM (IDPbH)


cough

Posted by: Marlboro Man at April 28, 2017 04:38 PM (XoldI)

257 Don't get me wrong - people like what they like. But if I hear Star Trek or Star Wars or robots or transformers or autopilot-people or time-travel or shape-shifting, you totally lose me. I can't make the connection.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (lwiT4)


well, blade runner is kind of a love story too, grammie winger

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:38 PM (c6/9Q)

258 *wanders in*

Fritz Lang's Metropolis still has more versions than Blade Runner.

I actually prefer the Work Print version of this movie. It is a bit more gritty than even the first theater version.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2017 04:38 PM (Qd/25)

259 I've never had a problem with the narration.. and have never understood all the angst about it.. the original has always been my favorite.

And you forgot Edward James Olmos as Gaff.. great characters!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 28, 2017 04:38 PM (UpGcq)

260 Chariots of Fire had a beautiful soundtrack.  The opening scene at Oxford was gorgeous.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (lwiT4)

261 248 I recommend you watch Ladykillers, with Alec Guinness and Herbert Lom. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 09:36 PM (vRcUp) ======= According to Netflix, I have. I have it 3 out of 5. I remember nothing of it, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (Jj43a)

262 "208 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. " Once Upon a Time in the West The Mission The Good the Bad and the Ugly The Untouchables All by Ennio Morricone

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (jm1YL)

263 Wasn't the theme played for a cigarette commercial or another product? Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth Marlboro, man.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (IqV8l)

264 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack. ----------- Last of the Mohicans Braveheart The English Patient Posted by: lindarose Guardians of the Galaxy?

Posted by: Jean at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (nD4Y0)

265 227 Anyone see Oblivion? I wound up liking it in spite of Crazy Cruise..... Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (kufk0) Yes I liked it. Good mix of action and story.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (IDPbH)

266 247. Deckerd daydreams/remembers a unicorn - a synthetic animal, a myth - at his piano. Gab leaves a unicorn origami at the door to his apartment. Dekerd knows Rachael's dreams; Gab knows Deckerd's.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (TwwWO)

267 If you want music that's really integral to a movie, I don't think you can do better than The Fifth Man.  That zither music is weird, but it's perfect at setting the mood.

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (LAe3v)

268 Did you know that there are countries that don't abide by the Geneva Convention?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (6Ll1u)

269 See, I don't care for people who keep retrofitting their work as they get new ideas or want to change things. JK Rowling is almost daily doing this with Harry Potter. Now she claims Voldemort is supposed to be prounouced like he's French; don't say the final 't.' This despite being the consultant and telling everyone how to say and do everything in 8 freaking movies. Oh, Dumbledore was a pouf! Oh, Harry should have married Hermione! Shut up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:39 PM (39g3+)

270

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45


Okay, good . Thanks.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! [/i] [/b] at April 28, 2017 04:40 PM (Uxokn)

271 The "what?" man?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:40 PM (IqV8l)

272 well, blade runner is kind of a love story too, grammie winger

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 09:38 PM (c6/9Q)

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It is?  Okay.  Might possibly watch it.  My biggest problem with movies is when they have scenes that are surreal.  I flat out cannot do surreal.


Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 04:40 PM (lwiT4)

273 Did you know that there are countries that don't abide by the Geneva Convention?

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Geneva convention does not apply to replicants. You may sit down.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (c6/9Q)

274 257. Hell, my angel insists the same is true of silence of the lambs, and she makes a good case for it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (TwwWO)

275 >>Yes you said his acting was fine but prior to that you asked if there was any character to give a damn about and Sanderson's character was sympathetic to me. Melmoth -- Yeah, I almost included him, because his fear and apparent kindness and harmlessness renders him more immediately likable than most of the other characters. But then I thought about it: He's making monsters or he's making slaves, and it's come back to bite him in the ass. It's like a less extreme version of John Turturro in Miller's Crossing: he's sympathetic when he's imperiled, but is it really when you consider where he must fit in the scheme of things?

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (CcUfv)

276 Thanks for the BR review, Moviegique.

Posted by: otho at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (lmIoG)

277 Before I read the comments, Rollerball should be in the same league as the other films mentioned. My favorite part is where Sean Young's hair magically goes from straight to curly. That right there should tell you she's a replicant.

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (5HBd1)

278 269 See, I don't care for people who keep retrofitting their work as they get new ideas or want to change things. JK Rowling is almost daily doing this with Harry Potter. Now she claims Voldemort is supposed to be prounouced like he's French; don't say the final 't.' This despite being the consultant and telling everyone how to say and do everything in 8 freaking movies. Oh, Dumbledore was a pouf! Oh, Harry should have married Hermione! Shut up. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:39 PM (39g3+) ====== Well, the problem there is beginning from the idea that Rowling might be an artist. She's not even close. She's a craftsman who had good editors in the beginning.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (Jj43a)

279 Soundtrack from Victory At Sea was good too. You can feel the sea spray on your face.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (Nwg0u)

280 Correction: Third Man

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (LAe3v)

281 Just hopping in and not bothering to read any comments beyond the last 15 or so, but 12 Monkeys had a pretty nice score for a rather forgotten flick.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (8nWyX)

282 I guess it's considered a musical.

Damned right.

Posted by: The Lollipop Guild at April 28, 2017 04:41 PM (Tyii7)

283 I liked Oblivion a lot.. great, seamless effects that made you believe.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 28, 2017 04:42 PM (UpGcq)

284 The Geneva Convention is wild until some stupid with a flare gun burns it to the ground.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 28, 2017 04:42 PM (IqV8l)

285  You could say (as some did) that Ford had not yet learned how to act, but I would defy you to describe his character, regardless of how well he played it.

++++

Let me come back to this. One of the other benefits of the narration is that it develops the Deckard character. Example: after he shoots the Zhora replicant, the narration includes Deckard saying that he didn't feel great about shooting a woman in the back, even if she was a replicant.

It demonstrated the doubts Deckard had about his actions. Without the narration, there wasn't one thing on the screen telling you about the guilt he felt about what he had done.

Seriously, if you want to get a better feel for Deckard, watch it with the narration. It was a better movie with it. And while the final happy ending was cheesy, we are talking about maybe 1 or 2 minutes of screen time. It's worth that flaw to get the better movie for the 2 hours before that point.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 04:42 PM (R+30W)

286 As for Deckard is a Replicant. he has always maintained he had walked into the practical special effects rig Scott was using to make Rachel's eyes red. That process can actually be traced back to, wait for it, Fritz Lang.

Work Print has no unicorn. Which is another reason why I like it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2017 04:43 PM (Qd/25)

287 My issue may be a generational one - I don't understand the appeal of dystopia.


Clearly you've never been on the "It's A Small World" ride.

Posted by: pep at April 28, 2017 09:37 PM (LAe3v)


Do not get me started on Disneyland.  After a childhood of dreams, the stark, shrunken sun-bleached reality of Cinderella's castle traumatized me for the next decade.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 28, 2017 04:43 PM (tHwdc)

288 Anyone see Oblivion? I wound up liking it in spite of Crazy Cruise..... Posted by: lindarose It was visually gorgeous. The sense of isolation, etc. I liked the evil cyclops bots. What irritated me is that I thought that English girl was incredibly hot. I thought Cruise was an imbecile for choosing Kurylenko, who usually looks a lot better, but seemed to have been deliberately made to look plain in that movie. I also felt it became muddled towards the end, and the big plot "twist" was pretty lame.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:43 PM (vRcUp)

289 You're welcome Mort. I do hope everything is okay with her. If I recall she lives fairly close to me.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:43 PM (CNHr1)

290 Some SJW types have a real problem with how Deckard treats Rachel. He basically forces himself on her in the apartment, but that's not only noir/40s film theme, but he's trying to get her to feel something real for once in her life. Something that connects her to the world instead of losing herself in a maze of what is really her and what was programmed into her.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:43 PM (39g3+)

291 The Godfather had a good soundtrack

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 28, 2017 04:44 PM (auHtY)

292 It is? Okay. Might possibly watch it. My biggest problem with movies is when they have scenes that are surreal. I flat out cannot do surreal.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 09:40 PM (lwiT4)


I understand.  I think this one is not surreal, slightly distopean maybe. But if you've seen lower wacker drive, you'll have no problems.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:44 PM (c6/9Q)

293 Any score by Erich Wolfgang Korngold especially The Sea Hawk and The Adventures of Robin Hood

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:44 PM (jm1YL)

294 interesting, no? a man whose job is to terminate replicants is saved by them. who is more humane ? Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 09:28 PM (c6/9Q) Actually it isn't. It just makes him look totally incompetent. If he dispatches all but Hauer and Hauer shows him mercy, then it's interesting. Pris doesn't spare him. She just seems more interested in torturing him.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:44 PM (J70i0)

295 Tarentino is an ass, but he does know how to put together a soundtrack. Pulp Fiction needs to be mentioned. Also: Pump Up The Volume, and pretty much any John Hughes movie. Pretty In Pink was almost a New Order album but all the better for that. And no Weird Science? It's like I don't even know this place anymore. Dishonourable mentions for the soundtracks to Shrek and Watchmen; thanks for ruining Leonard Cohen's Halleluia, you hacks. And Smashmouth sucks gorilla dick.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (6FqZa)

296 Ugh! The English Patient -- just die already!

Posted by: elaine benes at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (nlbfN)

297 Hermione?

Oh yeah, WWII Royal Navy light cruiser of the Dido class.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (Qd/25)

298 43 Here's another plot hole you could drive one of those kewl flying cars through:

Supposedly, you can't tell if a person is a replicant unless you ask him or her a bunch of questions. OK, fine, but they determine that naked snake lady's snake is a replicant by putting a few of its scales under a microscope and look, see, there's the serial number, so we got ourselves a replicant. And they can't do something similar with human replicants? Give me a break.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at April 28, 2017 08:50 PM (q9Tnv)


I'm not seeing a plot hole here.  Deckard already knows Zhora is a replicant by virtue of Bryant presenting her file to him toward the beginning of the movie. The snake scale found in the replicants' apartment aided Deckard in tracking her down.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (V4Qfo)

299 DePalma tries too hard to be Hitchcock.

Posted by: davidt at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (XoldI)

300 I've never noticed a soundtrack. " Fiddler, but that had Broadway behind it...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (MINbv)

301 I, Robot.  Kinda good.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (c6/9Q)

302 I loved The Third Man. http://moviegique.com/index.php/2015/07/25/the-third-man-1949/ Did not care for the zither.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (CcUfv)

303 I'm going on record saying that the narration was a major strength of the movie, and the cuts without it are crippled by the lack. The voice over narrator is something Hollywood doesn't like, but Hollywood is WRONG. For instance, any good adaptation of Tolkien must have narration. The wry tone of the third person narrator is omnipresent within the stories. Excising this drains the setting and story of much of its life.

Posted by: Luke at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (4fUM9)

304 But if you've seen lower wacker drive, you'll have no problems.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 09:44 PM (c6/9Q)

===============================



So - nightmare scenario, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (lwiT4)

305 One of Sean Young's best movies was a remake. A Kiss Before Dying .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:45 PM (IDPbH)

306 Do not get me started on Disneyland. I swear by the old gods and the new, It's A Small World got stuck when our family was in it. 45 minutes of that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 28, 2017 04:46 PM (6FqZa)

307 I thought it was great. Except for the voice over at the end, the person who thought that was necessary and the other people who agreed should have been frog marched out of the studio and in a perfect world, shot. Grew up reading all the PKD books, his stories in the old Orbit series, and I think the movie did a creditable job in exploring the issue. Except for the voice over.

Posted by: West at April 28, 2017 04:46 PM (DrBFJ)

308 Actually it isn't. It just makes him look totally incompetent. If he dispatches all but Hauer and Hauer shows him mercy, then it's interesting. Pris doesn't spare him. She just seems more interested in torturing him.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 09:44 PM (J70i0)


he is saved by two replicants. that is my point. not incompetence, just life.

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:46 PM (c6/9Q)

309 My favorite part is where Sean Young's hair magically goes from straight to curly. That right there should tell you she's a replicant. I chalked that one up to whatever that high tech hair thingy was the stripper was using to dry herself off in.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:46 PM (39g3+)

310 The scene that ends with the death of Replicant Rutger Hauer is easily in the top 100 of filmdom, IMHO. If you haven't seen it, this is what you need to know for this scene. Rutger is a soldier automaton "bred" with superior powers but a designated end date, like the other automatons off planet. He and others decide they don't want to die, and come to Earth where they're banned. Harrison Ford is tasked with finding them and eliminating them. In an earlier scene, Ford has just killed Rutger's automaton girlfriend and Rutger is bent on revenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU Make that one of my top 25 scenes

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 28, 2017 04:46 PM (bQxkN)

311 "Ugh! The English Patient -- just die already!" Movie bad, music good

Posted by: Tuna at April 28, 2017 04:47 PM (jm1YL)

312 Soundtracks? How about Somewhere in Time? I thought the soundtrack to that was beautiful.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:47 PM (CNHr1)

313 So - nightmare scenario, eh?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 28, 2017 09:45 PM (lwiT4)


with young-ish Harrison Ford !

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:48 PM (c6/9Q)

314 It's A Small World got stuck when our family was in it. 45 minutes of that.

That's worse than Gitmo.

Posted by: The Lollipop Guild at April 28, 2017 04:48 PM (Tyii7)

315 301, Er, no. Kinda, really, bad...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at April 28, 2017 04:48 PM (MINbv)

316 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 09:43 PM (vRcUp) He chose his wife.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:48 PM (IDPbH)

317 Sebastion.. oooh! Is that the one where he pushes her off the roof?

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 04:48 PM (CNHr1)

318 312 Soundtracks? How about Somewhere in Time? I thought the soundtrack to that was beautiful. Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 09:47 PM (CNHr1) My favorite chick flick.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:49 PM (IDPbH)

319 JK Rowling's problem is that she takes Harry Potter as seriously as her fans. God save me from thinking anything I write is Great Literature and world transforming. I try to write fun books that are interesting, not some great statement that will change the world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:49 PM (39g3+)

320 Oh, and The Magnificent Seven is on. Mic drop...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at April 28, 2017 04:49 PM (MINbv)

321 That's actually some of the evidence that he's a replicant. He's not really a blade runner, he's play acting. Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 09:24 PM (Jj43a) He might be a replicant but he's obviously done the job before as shown by the statements of his captain. And his captain considers him to be very good at what he does. I have to agree with someone further up the thread. The book is not that good. PKD's books, for the most part, aren't that good. They almost all feel extremely dated. The Second Variety I consider to be one of his better works. It has typical PKD questions. However the story flows nicely.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:49 PM (J70i0)

322 I recommend you watch Ladykillers, with Alec Guinness and Herbert Lom. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 09:36 PM (vRcUp) ======= According to Netflix, I have. I have it 3 out of 5. I remember nothing of it, though. Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone A bumbling band of criminals, a sweet little old lady, and a shitload of that Boccherini piece. If that tempts you, you should consider rewatching it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 04:49 PM (vRcUp)

323 317 Sebastion.. oooh! Is that the one where he pushes her off the roof? Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at April 28, 2017 09:48 PM (CNHr1) Yes , playing dual role of her twin sister.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (IDPbH)

324 Speaking of writing, back to revising and rewriting story for the Amazon contest. This anime bio-mechanical love doll seriously wants to roll around in $25 grand... 

So jya ne!

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (Qd/25)

325 Two ChiCom movies had good music, Hero and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (Nwg0u)

326 My idea for the sequel- A son of the off world colonists murdered by Roy and his compatriots has grown up to be a top BladeRunner himself. Due to numerous injuries in the line of duty, he's a cyborg. He clings to his humanity/human birth and feels superior to "skin jobs". The sub-human aspect to extermination is very much in play for him. Lots of hate towards them.
He's been sent to seek out Decker (who's in hiding) because of a rumor that a skin job has been secretly living on earth for some time, and that Decker can help uncover who it is.
You see, the guy in Charge of the BR unit died and Gaff ascended to the top. He too eventually died, but upon going thru his files the new man in charge caught whiff that something was not right. What the BR agent does not know is that his real purpose is to find Deckerd and be tracked in the process so that he and his wife can be eliminated, even if it means killing their top hunter. After all, if it is true that the BR unit looked the other way while a legendary BR hunter (Deckerd) cohabitated with a skin job, their rep would be ruined and they might even be disbanded/federalized.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (hVdx9)

327 Seriously, if you want to get a better feel for Deckard, watch it with the narration. It was a better movie with it. And while the final happy ending was cheesy, we are talking about maybe 1 or 2 minutes of screen time. It's worth that flaw to get the better movie for the 2 hours before that point. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 09:42 PM (R+30W) I'm one of those people who liked the movie the first time I saw it (original release, I guess), but get tired of the endless bickering over what it all meant. It's not that deep. It's a straightforward story. And if you want to reconstruct it so that Ford is a robot, or that the "happy ending" was fake or whatever, I don't really get the point. In effect, it becomes a different movie when you remove all that stuff that was in the original release, and even Scott doesn't really have that right. If he did, he'd be making movies without studio money. Which he couldn't do. So play with it, mess with the meaning of it, chop out the narration, and the happy ending. Go ahead. But that's not the movie that was released. It's something else.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (Pz4pT)

328 Surprised they have cut a version with Ford wearing an immigration raid jacket

Posted by: Jean at April 28, 2017 04:50 PM (nD4Y0)

329 I love threads like this and the book thread.


Gives me lots of stuff to read and watch.


xoxoxo

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at April 28, 2017 04:51 PM (/o9Qk)

330 208 With the exception of "Dr. Zhivago", I've never noticed a soundtrack >>>>>>> Fistful of Dollars Few Dollars More

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 04:51 PM (KGHbZ)

331 This anime bio-mechanical love doll seriously wants to roll around in $25 grand...

Me so hawny, need some oil.

Posted by: The Lollipop Guild at April 28, 2017 04:51 PM (Tyii7)

332 Phillip K Dick was a tremendous idea guy, very fascinating thoughts and analysis of trends, technology, and ideas. He's just not a very engaging writer. His short stories are easier to read, but overall he's no Heinlein, Bradbury, or Clark.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:51 PM (39g3+)

333 I recommend you watch Ladykillers, with Alec Guinness and Herbert Lom. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 28, 2017 09:36 PM (vRcUp) Speaking of Alec Guinness I've been dying to re watch Kind Hearts and Cornets.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 28, 2017 04:51 PM (auHtY)

334 321 He might be a replicant but he's obviously done the job before as shown by the statements of his captain. And his captain considers him to be very good at what he does. Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 09:49 PM (J70i0) ===== Not necessarily. How unreasonable would it be to assume that the captain had been paid to have that interaction with Deckard? Hell, the captain explains what replicants are to him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:52 PM (Jj43a)

335 I also liked the soundtrack from Rob Roy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 04:52 PM (IDPbH)

336 ONT

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2017 04:52 PM (nlbfN)

337 I saw this film when it first came out and being a SciFi fan had read "Do Androids..." but I was amazed at how beautiful it was and how realistic it seemed. Really, the characters were thin but that made Hauer's death seem all the more real somehow. Personally I'm more of a plot man and once I figure out where the whole thing is going I want a "real" fictional world with characters that, if not well developed, at least act within their framework. I loved it and still do. And I've seen things you can't imagine, like attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at April 28, 2017 04:53 PM (Oz6ib)

338 Didn't I see that Sean Young went insane a few years ago?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 04:54 PM (6Ll1u)

339 Hell, the captain explains what replicants are to him. No, the Captain explains what replicants are to the audience, while Deckard is standing there. Its one of those "as you know" moments that suck in movies, but happens all too often. "As you know, Bob, El Guapo is the biggest drug dealer in all Mexico, who escaped from a supermax prison last year and has been on the run ever since with his supermodel wife..."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:54 PM (39g3+)

340 325. Heh....I'm gonna guess you've never seen any of the yangbanxi, then? Some really unusual and sometimes strikingly good music in them. https://youtu.be/ZHTPcs3lQPU

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 04:55 PM (TwwWO)

341 Alien and/or Aliens Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at April 28, 2017 08:57 PM (17QyB) Forbidden Planet and Aliens. Both have great stories, great characters, and effects that hold up (ie the effects enhance the story).

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:55 PM (J70i0)

342 Didn't I see that Sean Young went insane a few years ago?/i] From the stories I've heard, she went insane at birth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:55 PM (39g3+)

343 I _liked_ The Sword and the Sorceror. It was cheese, but I thought Horsley did a really good low-rent Errol Flynn, and it looked like he was having the time of his life. Actually, it looked like most of the cast were having fun.

Posted by: Zapp Branigan at April 28, 2017 04:56 PM (i8mbD)

344 Hell, my angel insists the same is true of silence of the lambs, and she makes a good case for it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at April 28, 2017 09:41 PM (TwwWO)


weird and grotesque, but there is something there

Posted by: runner at April 28, 2017 04:56 PM (c6/9Q)

345 339 Hell, the captain explains what replicants are to him. No, the Captain explains what replicants are to the audience, while Deckard is standing there. Its one of those "as you know" moments that suck in movies, but happens all too often. "As you know, Bob, El Guapo is the biggest drug dealer in all Mexico, who escaped from a supermax prison last year and has been on the run ever since with his supermodel wife..." Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:54 PM (39g3+) ======= The Meta reason may be for the audience, but there were other ways to pass that information along than to the guy who should already know it while he plays it like he's never heard the information before.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:56 PM (Jj43a)

346 Oh, and if we're coming up with sequel ideas, I say Disneyfy it. Have Rachel and Decker go off in the woods, and have a hybrid human/robot baby! How is that possible? Shut up! That's how. So the baby grows up, and wants to go back to the city, but doesn't even know she (yes, she) is a robot/human hybrid. When she gets there, all the bickering and arguing over who killed who is over, and robots and humans are living peacefully, side by side. Except shes's a freak. Let's give her a Disney name. Delilah. Sheena. Something that ends in a vowel. Anyhoo, when she gets to the city, she finds out she's a freak, and she... well, she freaks! Runs away, and as mom and dad desperately hunt for her (and rediscover the meaning of what it's like to be among people, both kinds, again), she meets up with a scampy young robot boy. Tristan. Tristan shows Delilah what it really means to be human. And they all live happily ever after. The end.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2017 04:56 PM (Pz4pT)

347 I prefer BR minus the narration, the "happy ending", but also without the unicorm dream bit... not needed and is too definitive. I like the movie ending with them exiting with a closing door. The end. I'm happiest not being sure whether Deckard is a replicant or not. Probably human, but just maybe... Maybe is best.

Posted by: otho at April 28, 2017 04:57 PM (lmIoG)

348 Phillip K Dick was a tremendous idea guy, very fascinating thoughts and analysis of trends, technology, and ideas. He's just not a very engaging writer. His short stories are easier to read, but overall he's no Heinlein, Bradbury, or Clark.
...........
 I have to agree.  I was an avid sci-fi reader in the 60's through the 80's.. but I could never get through a PKD story.. just couldn't.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 28, 2017 04:57 PM (UpGcq)

349 Fiddler, but that had Broadway behind it... - That movie ruined Bruce Jenner. He heard, "If I Were a Bitch, Man."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 28, 2017 04:57 PM (Nwg0u)

350 TJMP -- Humbly, I would argue, the further you have to go into constructing scenes that were not in the movie in order to explain a theory, the further you are from what anyone intended. Tangentially, there's a group of people, right now, who argue that the "Harry Potter" series is really about a crazy kid locked in a closet, and all the rest is nonsense. Their logic? "There's no such thing as magic."

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:57 PM (CcUfv)

351 Not necessarily. How unreasonable would it be to assume that the captain had been paid to have that interaction with Deckard? Hell, the captain explains what replicants are to him. Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 09:52 PM (Jj43a) Gotta agree with CRT. That's just exposition. Had they known they were going to do the voice-over, they would have modified the scene. And why would someone pay to have the captain explain something that could have been implanted far easier? BTW, I prefer the voice-over version(s).

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 04:58 PM (J70i0)

352 Zapp-- My Horsley S&S comment was tongue-in-cheek, but it was certainly a fun, cheesy film.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 04:59 PM (CcUfv)

353 I liked Sword and the Sorcerer a lot, too. I have much more lax standards for fantasy films though, as long as they take themselves seriously and don't try to shove modern tropes and language into them (May the makers and all actors in "Your Highness" die in a horrendous fire involving razor blades and acid).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 04:59 PM (39g3+)

354 350 TJMP -- Humbly, I would argue, the further you have to go into constructing scenes that were not in the movie in order to explain a theory, the further you are from what anyone intended. Tangentially, there's a group of people, right now, who argue that the "Harry Potter" series is really about a crazy kid locked in a closet, and all the rest is nonsense. Their logic? "There's no such thing as magic." Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:57 PM (CcUfv) ==== It's really just a reason to explain why the captain had to explain so much to a man who should already know most of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 04:59 PM (Jj43a)

355 James Woods banged Sean Young crazy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 05:00 PM (IDPbH)

356 Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 09:57 PM (CcUfv) So they Bob Newharted it?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2017 05:01 PM (IDPbH)

357 You have to consider the sci fi renaissance that happened in the early 80's. Blade runner, Terminator, Tron, Wrath of Khan, Krull (hello Liam Neeson), Alien/Aliens, Road Warrior, Escape from NY, The Thing, Twilight Zone the Movie, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, MEGA FORCE (Deeds not words), Outland, Ep V & VI, Flash Gordon, The Keep (except for the Tangerine Dream soundtrack). But I also still love the 50's Corman style sci fi. Svengoolie every Saturday night.

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 05:02 PM (KGHbZ)

358 TJMP -- I think the most likely explanation is "they just didn't care." I think that explains all of this movie, except for the parts where "they REALLY REALLY cared." I think it's most likely that the speech is meant as exposition, much in the way that (not much before this movie), TV & movies had tons of scenes of people getting in and out of their cars. Because otherwise how would the audience know how they got there? But I think that Scott really cared about the visuals and did his damndest to make them communicate everything he wanted to communicate, and care a whole lot less about plot, continuity and other more mundane aspects of filmmaking. I think, when this movie hits home for someone, it does so in a very profound way (cf. comment 123). Unlike, e.g. "The Sword and the Sorceror".

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:05 PM (CcUfv)

359 I only saw the version I saw at the theater I got what I paid for a good, well made, entertaining movie. That Olmost plays a piece of wood so well but that was his part. Same part he played in Miami vice. Playing wood, he was type cast.

Posted by: gNewt fire Ryan. Hell, fire them all at April 28, 2017 05:05 PM (oOYbM)

360 Sebastian Melmoth-- HA! Exactly. Now that this thread is going to die, I remembered a point I wanted to make much earlier on: Has anyone else realized that a "Voit-Kampff" test is basically testing to see if you've been... TRIGGERED?

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:06 PM (CcUfv)

361 Twenty years ago my gf & I would put the Bladerunner soundtrack cassette in the stereo & go at it. Only one song didn't lend itself to lovemaking but we did need to take a break anyway.

Posted by: Lincoln Village at April 28, 2017 05:07 PM (7LgUQ)

362 I think it's most likely that the speech is meant as exposition, much in the way that (not much before this movie), TV & movies had tons of scenes of people getting in and out of their cars. Because otherwise how would the audience know how they got there? But I think that Scott really cared about the visuals and did his damndest to make them communicate everything he wanted to communicate, and care a whole lot less about plot, continuity and other more mundane aspects of filmmaking. I think, when this movie hits home for someone, it does so in a very profound way (cf. comment 123). Unlike, e.g. "The Sword and the Sorceror". Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 10:05 PM (CcUfv) ======= A specific part: The 4 year life span is stated in the opening crawl, and the captain mentions it in the meeting, whole Ford looks like he's never heard it before.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 05:08 PM (Jj43a)

363 I really like that old 40's look that Sean had in Blade Runner, I mean really like, like Jack off like. Nobody does that now except retro strippers.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 05:08 PM (6Ll1u)

364 Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 10:02 PM (KGHbZ) I have argued that after the 1950's, 1977-1986 was a great decade for sci-fi on the big screen. Since then it's been a solid entry here or there. However, nothing has really been ground shaking. Since then, it's been reboots, rehashes, etc. The Matrix was about the biggest thing since then and it quickly fizzled.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 05:08 PM (J70i0)

365 More great sci-fi movies: Galaxy Quest The Fifth Element

Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 05:10 PM (kufk0)

366 364 Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 10:02 PM (KGHbZ) I have argued that after the 1950's, 1977-1986 was a great decade for sci-fi on the big screen. Since then it's been a solid entry here or there. However, nothing has really been ground shaking. Since then, it's been reboots, rehashes, etc. The Matrix was about the biggest thing since then and it quickly fizzled. Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 28, 2017 10:08 PM (J70i0) >>>>>>>>>> My thoughts exactly. A lot was lost after Stan Winston's passing. Most of the new stuff makes me want to watch the old stuff. Total Recall reboot (sucked), Robocop reboot (sucked), The Thing (prequel reboot) meh. Mad Max was pretty decent but that was Miller all over again. Liberal group think has almost completely snuffed out originality in Hollywierd.

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 05:19 PM (KGHbZ)

367 The Fifth Element

Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 10:10 PM (kufk0)

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Oh yeah.

That's one of the few movies that entertain me from start to finish, no matter what point I find it.  Such a good movie.

Posted by: Revenant at April 28, 2017 05:20 PM (yXLbm)

368 A specific part: The 4 year life span is stated in the opening crawl, and the captain mentions it in the meeting, whole Ford looks like he's never heard it before. -------------------- I'd bet money the crawl--not even a crawl because they don't want to evoke Star Wars--but I'd bet money the intro was an afterthought along the lines of the voiceover. And the unicorn? A preview of Ridley Scott's next film: "Legend".

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:21 PM (CcUfv)

369 The Meta reason may be for the audience, but there were other ways to pass that information along than to the guy who should already know it while he plays it like he's never heard the information before. It seems possible that he doesn't know some of it. Maybe he's been retired since the Mark 5s and needs to be brought up to speed on the Nexis 6.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 28, 2017 05:21 PM (LTHVh)

370 Fifth Element - deemed the Gay Star Wars. Gary Oldman was a cross between Darth Vader and Daisy Duke. But it's a fun movie minus Chris Tucker.

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 05:21 PM (KGHbZ)

371 368 I'd bet money the crawl--not even a crawl because they don't want to evoke Star Wars--but I'd bet money the intro was an afterthought along the lines of the voiceover. And the unicorn? A preview of Ridley Scott's next film: "Legend". Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 10:21 PM (CcUfv) ======= Except the crawl was added during editing, and they could have cut around the dialogue while in editing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 05:23 PM (Jj43a)

372 And the unicorn? A preview of Ridley Scott's next film: "Legend" >>>>>> I always thought it symbolized mythical (not real). Olmos nod to Ford that he knows Ford is a replicant.

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 05:25 PM (KGHbZ)

373 363 I really like that old 40's look that Sean had in Blade Runner, I mean really like, like Jack off like. Nobody does that now except retro strippers. Posted by: Tinfoilbaby Steampunk search on imagef*p is enlightening

Posted by: Jean at April 28, 2017 05:29 PM (zZb/S)

374 Anyone see Oblivion? I wound up liking it in spite of Crazy Cruise..... Posted by: lindarose at April 28, 2017 09:33 PM (kufk0) ---- Good film. So was his version of All You Need Is Kill. Edge of Tomorrow.

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 05:29 PM (yxUNy)

375 As much as I didn't want Deckard to be a replicant, the scene of him at the piano in his apartment with the all the pictures (seemingly of his family) convinced me otherwise. It was too close to his narration of replicants attachment to pics of family members. Otherwise, one of the most thought-provoking movies I have ever watched, and have watched it at least a dozen times.

Posted by: Dansgirls at April 28, 2017 05:31 PM (xBbs+)

376 I always thought it symbolized mythical (not real). Olmos nod to Ford that he knows Ford is a replicant. --- Oh, I was kidding about "Legend". The problem with the "Deckard is a replicant" theory is that we also have to come up with a lot of non-movie-supplied explanations for why he's allowed to live. Ford does not buy the "Deckard is a replicant" theory, but I'm not sure I'd have told him if I were Scott, either. =P

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:31 PM (CcUfv)

377 Except the crawl was added during editing, and they could have cut around the dialogue while in editing. --- Which editing? The studio thought the problem was that the movie was too confusing to begin with. I'd bet they wouldn't cut anything. Why is it in Scott's cut? Well, he...thinks that Deckard's a replicant. So you may be right that that's there as a clue. Ford did not view it that way. For some people this adds up to "brilliant". For me, it adds up to "murky".

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:35 PM (CcUfv)

378 MG Hahaha I figured as much. I agree that Ridley wouldn't have told him. Maybe Tony Scott threatened to tell him and was met with an unfortunate accident.

Posted by: Quilters Irish Death at April 28, 2017 05:35 PM (KGHbZ)

379 377 --- Which editing? The studio thought the problem was that the movie was too confusing to begin with. I'd bet they wouldn't cut anything. Why is it in Scott's cut? Well, he...thinks that Deckard's a replicant. So you may be right that that's there as a clue. Ford did not view it that way. For some people this adds up to "brilliant". For me, it adds up to "murky". Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 10:35 PM (CcUfv) ====== We seem to be working under two different assumptions about a movie's authorship. Scott is the author of Blade Runner. His word and preferred cut carry more weight than any other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 05:39 PM (Jj43a)

380 I am the only person I know who saw the original & liked the voiceover, even though the movie left me "meh" before I even knew what "meh" meant*. *years later, when it became a word, I said, "Wow, that describes my reaction to Bladerunner.

Posted by: Shopgirl at April 28, 2017 05:39 PM (KQU0W)

381 We seem to be working under two different assumptions about a movie's authorship. Scott is the author of Blade Runner. His word and preferred cut carry more weight than any other. ----- My rebuttal to that is George Lucas + 35 years.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:46 PM (CcUfv)

382 319 JK Rowling's problem is that she takes Harry Potter as seriously as her fans. God save me from thinking anything I write is Great Literature and world transforming. I try to write fun books that are interesting, not some great statement that will change the world. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2017 09:49 PM (39g3+) ------- Which of your books do you consider to be the best?

Posted by: NJRob at April 28, 2017 05:47 PM (yxUNy)

383 381 My rebuttal to that is George Lucas + 35 years. Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 10:46 PM (CcUfv) ====== Even with the changes, Star Wars is still great, just not as great as originally. He's an author who pushed very early, disappeared for a couple of decades, and came back terrible. Almost like James Joyce coming back with Finnegan's Wake.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 05:49 PM (Jj43a)

384 OK, it's been great, guys, but I gotta go teach The Flower how to drive. She's 16 in a few weeks and I'm teaching her on a manual transmission. Yes, that's right, I was nearly 13 when I had her. And if you think THAT's impressive, The Boy is 22 in about a month.

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:49 PM (CcUfv)

385 >>Even with the changes, Star Wars is still great, just not as great as originally. My point is more that you can't trust what someone says now about what they meant 35 years ago. Especially film directors. Especially about their "greatest films".

Posted by: moviegique at April 28, 2017 05:50 PM (CcUfv)

386 I saw it in 1982, in Odessa, Texas, and l9ved every minute of it. My gf back then looked like Sean Young, who was absolutely gorgeous in this movie..

Posted by: TexasJew at April 28, 2017 05:54 PM (Z6LQG)

387 Even if Deckard was a replicant, he didn't know he was a replicant. Human or replicant, he thought he was human. So, it doesn't matter one way or another as far as Ford's performance. He was playing someone who thought he was human.

Now Scott, he went out of his way to put the issue in play. Especially with the eyes. He always had a shot of every replicant with the weird reflective shine in their eyes. And, he had a shot with Deckard's eyes doing the same thing.

Proof positive? No. But, enough to make you think about it.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 28, 2017 05:59 PM (R+30W)

388 So who else is watching Judgement at Nuremberg? Stanley Kramer's epic film of the Nazi war crimes trial. On PBS in LA.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 28, 2017 06:01 PM (6Ll1u)

389 Go find the 5-disc "Ultimate Collectors Edition" DVD set in the cheezy silver plastic briefcase and have at.

I have always liked the voiceover and, even though I know what's going on, find the lack of it jarring in the Director's and Final Cuts.

I am also firmly in the camp of Deckard was Human and Rachel wasn't a Nexus 6 but, instead, everything Dr. Eldon Tyrell could bring to bear in the technology of creating replicants.  He alludes to the same after Deckard puts her through the V-K test.

Posted by: Captain Ned at April 28, 2017 06:02 PM (WI6nT)

390 389 Go find the 5-disc "Ultimate Collectors Edition" DVD set in the cheezy silver plastic briefcase and have at. I have always liked the voiceover and, even though I know what's going on, find the lack of it jarring in the Director's and Final Cuts. I am also firmly in the camp of Deckard was Human and Rachel wasn't a Nexus 6 but, instead, everything Dr. Eldon Tyrell could bring to bear in the technology of creating replicants. He alludes to the same after Deckard puts her through the V-K test. Posted by: Captain Ned at April 28, 2017 11:02 PM (WI6nT) ====== I have the Blu Ray version and could sell it today for at least a couple hundred dollars. I won't though. That's mine forever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at April 28, 2017 06:04 PM (Jj43a)

391 @390:

Ah, but only the Final Cut was remastered.

Posted by: Captain Ned at April 28, 2017 06:09 PM (WI6nT)

392 Mordineus, yah, I sort of think that we are not supposed to understand her inner voice.  It seems as if she was intended to be a mess, because the advance of technology is imperfect.  And that makes her a Mary Sue for all of our high school boy/girl friends, because they were children learning to become the imperfect adults they became, just like we did. 

So we can all relate to her, but we still don't like her.  This film is a lot like Blue Velvet -- just touching many different uncomfortable things we all experience and then changing the focus to something else.

Posted by: rammerplex at April 28, 2017 06:19 PM (S1j8O)

393 Caught something on tv a few years ago that helped explain the look of Blade Runner. There was a strike in Hollywood just before shooting started. (Writers or cameramen - I don't remember) Knowing that he wouldn't be able to get the same set design team back together, Scott decided to pay them to keep working on the sets/wardrobe/props through the strike. They ended up spending months more time on Blade Runner than is normal.

Posted by: Clay at April 28, 2017 06:56 PM (RRmpm)

394 Blade Runner is Rashomon which is akin to what is it thirty-one view of Mt. Fuji.

The Work Print which was shown to test audiences has a different crawl than what was originally seen in theaters.

And back to my scribbling.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2017 06:59 PM (Qd/25)

395 I love Blade Runner. I prefer the cinema release, with the film noire voice over. Supposedly Decker is a replicant, too, but I don't see it. He seems almost depressingly human. And I thought the book was interesting, but far less entertaining than the movie. It made little sense to me, and I care almost nothing for the characters presented in the book.

Posted by: Advo at April 28, 2017 07:04 PM (/9754)

396 Had a Sci Fi lit course in college. 15 ......fifteen novels to read and write a concisely brilliant one-page summary of some never before considered slant on the story. Anything less gave you a C or worse. It was utterly wonderful and brutal at the same time. One was PK Dick's Electric Dreams. I still recall the devastation wrought by Prof E Rabkin as he tore thru what I thought was an insightful comment at the time on memories as a symbol for something I assumed was deep. Frustration was the apt descriptor. The story is absolutely packed to the rafters w meaning inside meaning wrapped in more meaning. My favorite of the semester, and still favorite sci fi novel is Starman.

Posted by: MSTisdale at April 28, 2017 07:13 PM (g9d8D)

397 It might have been on this shoot, but one of Ridley Scott's crews had t-shirts made up that said, "Will Rogers never met Ridley Scott" (Will Rogers remarked that he never met a man he didn't like); and "Yes Guvnor, My Ass."

Saw Blade Runner, had the same feeling about it. Ice cold, like "2001."

Also: if you want to see a piece of that LA landscape, namely the huge pyramidal building, go to the Museum of the Moving Image in Astoria, Queens, hard by the old Kaufman Studios where they shot the Marx Brothers in "Cocoanuts." The scale model is there, and very impressive it is.

Of course Ridley is primarily a visual artist, so his visuals are always terrific.

Posted by: Beverly at April 28, 2017 07:34 PM (THDHw)

398 Moviegique --

I'd like to read your take on Aronofsky's "The Fountain" with Hugh Jackman and Rachael Weisz.  I thought that was a beautifully produced film.  Great visuals, especially the repeated visual themes.

Posted by: Lurker at April 28, 2017 07:45 PM (v5uOx)

399 I loved it. Saw it in a theatre when it was first released. But... I loved it because it looked SENSATIONAL! Like nothing I ever saw before or since. It was just jaw-droppingly different! A dark vision of a dystopic future, & I bought in! Characters & plot? Sufficient. In THIS movie, that was enough for me. P.S. How 'bout them BLUZ 2nite, huh?

Posted by: mnw at April 28, 2017 07:52 PM (AV9yQ)

400 Blade Runner.

The problem for this film (either version) now, is that Scott's "LOOK"; the scenic atmospherics and design, have been ruthlessly ripped off by subsequent  movie-makers for DECADES.

Anyone seeing this film for the first time now, will be struck by how "derivative" it seems; the reverse is actually true. See how many movies and TV epics (and episodic shows) have "borrowed" that dark, rainy look for starters. Even Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" "borrowed" heavily from Scott's design.

The music sound-track is subtle, but instantly evocative.

Posted by: Bruce at April 29, 2017 01:10 AM (nIUnC)

401 My 2 cents (inflation-adjusted): I prefer the theatrical release with the cheesy voice-over. Have the full set (on HDDVD) and whenever I watch one of the other versions it always seems like something's wrong.

Posted by: mark at April 29, 2017 02:32 AM (VuQKj)

402 LOTS of clues and hints in the film that Deckard is a skin job. Batty even chides him trying to be a man.

Posted by: doomed at April 29, 2017 03:09 AM (UW4Uc)

403 If you watch the end credits of "A Scanner Darkly", you will note that PKD used a metric boatload of drugs, though primarily amphetamines, which ultimately sent him to rehab. That book is a fictionalized account of a part of his life.

Posted by: Sam at April 29, 2017 05:47 AM (jHN2F)

404 Twenty years ago my gf & I would put the Bladerunner soundtrack cassette in the stereo & go at it. Only one song didn't lend itself to lovemaking but we did need to take a break anyway. Posted by: Lincoln Village at April 28, 2017 10:07 PM (7LgUQ) Same here. What was your girlfriends name?

Posted by: redclay at April 29, 2017 06:26 AM (fpmcn)

405 Beverly--yes, this was the movie with the "Yes, Guv'nor" shirts. Lurker--Can't really comment because I've only seen "The Fountain" on TV (and I don't think I was paying much attention, which is why I go to the movies--so I can focus).

Posted by: moviegique at April 29, 2017 07:45 AM (CcUfv)

406 I really hate, The Final Cut. But I do like the Extend International Version, which keeps the original cut of the film, more, or less intact, but adds a few extras here and there.

The Ending of the Final Cut... Bleh...

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at April 29, 2017 08:29 AM (A5STV)

407 soundtracks: Planet of the Apes The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly The Rover And if you haven't seen The Rover: go do it now.

Posted by: Friendo at April 29, 2017 08:48 AM (eUnhA)

408 I saw the original Blade Runner in a theater in Westwood. I took my favorite girlfriend of all time, hoping to have an enjoyable evening.

Blade Runner so depressed my girlfriend she just wanted to go home. As I recall, she said something like: "I really didn't need to see that movie. It was awful."

I didn't realize I was dating a brilliant movie critic. We broke up later.

Posted by: Dan at April 29, 2017 10:07 AM (Nmvf6)

409 PKD most certainly did partake of acid. And a lot of other stuff. He was (in)famous for his amphetamine consumption.

Posted by: AnotherTabPlz at April 29, 2017 12:06 PM (1yemK)

410 I consider it the "Apocalypse Now" of SciFi films.

Posted by: Strelnikov at May 02, 2017 11:10 AM (XIqPD)

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