January 30, 2014

GOP Announces Declaration of Principles For Why You Should Vote Third Party
— Ace

And they're compelling reasons, too.

This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican. There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. Not that that would make a big difference, as they are Losers, and cannot advance their goals.

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1 This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican. There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. Agreed.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (xZxMD)

2 How about The Moron Party?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (Z7PrM)

3 Primero !  primo

Posted by: Chamuco at January 30, 2014 12:19 PM (qQk+U)

4 GOP attempts kamikaze run.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (MMC8r)

5 Tercero ..

Posted by: Chamuco at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (qQk+U)

6 Do I have to read 'em?

Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (HtUkt)

7 I'll go get the others.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (xZxMD)

8 Matame ya .

Posted by: Chamuco at January 30, 2014 12:20 PM (qQk+U)

9

C'mon ace, we all know the Chamber of Commerce pays better.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (t06LC)

10 Props for the post title. Pithy.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (g7osp)

11 So its official now.  The Democrats with an R after their name have decided amnesty is the hill to die on.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (T2V/1)

12 They complain that the system is broken and isn't being enforced. WHO'S FAULT IS THAT, DIPSHITS?

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (MMC8r)

13 I'm all for a 3rd party. I don't care anymore. I'd like to see how many people jump aisles to get to the 3rd one if one is officially announced and supported.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:21 PM (IXrOn)

14 Et tu Brute?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (g5X0d)

15 The Stupid Party™... what, you're surprised?

Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (kbOju)

16 It's been apparent to me for quite a while that the GOP isn't stupid; it's that they are colluding with the Democrat-Socialists to grow the Leviathan. The problem is that there is no viable third party that can compete with the GOP. All it will do is draw enough votes away to ensure the Democrats win every time (if fraud and abuse isn't doing that already). Either we take back the GOP or take it down. One way or another. This has got to stop if we even want to begin having a chance at reversing course.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (olDqf)

17 I can send you guys some democrat registration cards Then you can vote 10 times each!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (027eb)

18 I'll voter in the primary to get rid of Graham who has always supported amnesty. I probably will not vote in the general.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (T2V/1)

19 All I can hear is R voters singing The Who's We Won't Get Fooled Again this November.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:22 PM (g7osp)

20 Everyone will learn the hat dance! Donkey shows on every corner!

Posted by: Weeping Boner and Sen. Juan McCain at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (Dwehj)

21 This simply doesn't make sense. Why? Why are they doing thing now when pounding obamacare's ass makes so much more sense? I can't figure this out.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (A98Xu)

22 The WSJ's weak op-ed in support of this, in this morning's edition, just shows you how thin the ice is that they are treading on. It was laughable. Empty rhetoric.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (IXrOn)

23 I'm going long on Curb Feeler futures.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (exFew)

24 How can you fuck up a wet dream? I'll wake just in time.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (0FSuD)

25 This is a lot of hoo-ha.. they are not even thinking about legislation to carry through on this shit.

This is a "Hey, look!  We have a "Standards for Immigration" policy document and everything!" piece of crap..

Look at #1 - "Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First"

Uh huh.. and I stopped reading right there, because if they stick to that, the Dems are not on board and the whole thing is dead.

There is no consensus for this shit.. it's dead.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (Z7PrM)

26 I was hoping they'd have something about enforcement triggers in there and *BAM*, there it was! We're not enforcing the laws on the books now, so ... MOAR LAWS! That'll fix 'er right up!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:23 PM (8ifMA)

27

"This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican."

Posted by: Ace at 05:18 PM


Welcome to the party, pal

Posted by: John McClane at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (bStrg)

28

We should be afraid when they use the word 'Reform' in DC...

 

They called ObamaCare..."Healthcare Reform".

 

In DC, 'reform' obviously means FUBAR.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (d+eIv)

29 In 2006, they tried the same thing and wound up giving the speakership to Nanzi Pelosi.

Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (MMC8r)

30 I'm all for a 3rd party.

I don't care anymore.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (IXrOn)

While I agree that the Republican party is broken and is probably beyond saving, and that a third party is the logical next step for people...with you know....actual conservative principles; I care a lot.

Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (QFxY5)

31 Well, with my tan, I can pass.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (0FSuD)

32 Didn't and won't read it. Because it's all lip service bullshit. They will never get serious about securing the border and this is only going to make it worse. I am officially done with them and am changing to independent. Serious. I will be re-registering. Their primaries don't mean shit anyways as the elite always have them prepicked. So fuck it. Adios you weasels that run the GOP. You've just sealed your and our fate.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:24 PM (/o+xv)

33 I love how they say that the Immigration system is broken because the law will not be enforced... And then say that the Solution is... MOAR LAW! Note.... every GOP proposal so far has also included a 3X increase in legal immigration... that is NOT in this 'statement'... although it will be in the Law that they write...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (84gbM)

34 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (Z7PrM) The GOP always follows through on the stupid stuff.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (A98Xu)

35 Ok, I read 'em "Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced. Washington’s failure to fix them is hurting our economy and jeopardizing our national security." Now I'm disgusted.

Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (HtUkt)

36 >>There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. Forces of evil in a bozo nightmare.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (zDsvJ)

37 Even if they did share the goals of most Americans who are slightly right of center they'd still be losers cause they would still be doing what's best for them and not what's best for their constituents.

It's hard to figure out what's going on in the rest of the country when you spend most of your time in the wealthiest area of the country, having no economic problems whatsoever, where there are still bidding wars over waaaay overpriced homes.  If that is your reality you wonder what these ungrateful SOB's are whining about back home.  Besides to secure your requisite lobbying position you have to play the game right, now, not later, you have to have a history to point out.

Posted by: think at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (OroYa)

38 This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican. There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do.


And this is the point where I am.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (GrtrJ)

39 Shot through the heart And you're to blame You give Rove a bad name (bad name) I play my part And you play your game You give Rove a bad name

Posted by: Dave S. at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (J+V/o)

40 I read the first sentence and then it was all just blah blah.

Here's how we do a 3d party:  We have a party, a HUGE one.

Invite all your friends.  Goes on for days.

THEN

We throat snatch all the commies in republican clothing up, toss them off the coast (pick one), and go back to two parties, one of which is focused, founded and determined.

Then we'll see what's what.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (x3YFz)

41 This simply doesn't make sense. Why? Why are they doing thing now when pounding obamacare's ass makes so much more sense? I can't figure this out. Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (A98Xu) This is how the WSJ explains it: Immigration Breakout: The House GOP is right to move ahead on reform this year. http://tinyurl.com/ltp3uam Then read Coulter's piece. Coulter tears the WSJ piece to shreds, so to speak.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (IXrOn)

42 At least Krispy Kreosote had the good sense to shoot himself in his fat foot. Then again, all will be forgiven by the RNC come January 2016. Hoping that Rand, Ted and whomever else can have a chance in the primaries. I don't think we'll see any 9-9-9's or Tardisils. I hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (olDqf)

43 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5) the Whig to Repub had over of power happened in a 4 year span....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (84gbM)

44 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 30, 2014 12:25 PM (Pr6hk)

45 The laws aren't being enforced so we need Moar Laws!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (GEICT)

46 I'm cold and hungry and everything keeps going wrong. I need pizza.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (g5X0d)

47 Once is happenstance.

Twice is coincidence.

Three times is enemy action.

What is this, like time 50, for the GOP leadership with this bullshit?

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (I2cH2)

48 This simply doesn't make sense. Why? Why are they doing thing now when pounding obamacare's ass makes so much more sense? I can't figure this out. Honest thought: I think they think Obamacare will rush them into office anyway. So while they're winning due to O-care backlash, why not get ahead of this other thing they want to take credit for, but don't want to get the backlash from?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (8ifMA)

49 39 Posted by: Dave S. at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (J+V/o) As sung by Mitt Ronery…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (olDqf)

50 Proud to be a Whig!

Posted by: Guy Sperling at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (yn6XZ)

51 Is that 'Hail to the Chief' I hear playing???

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 30, 2014 12:26 PM (Pr6hk)

52 There is no consensus for this shit.. it's dead. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (Z7PrM) I may be being too optimistic but...yeah. The angle was even as Ocare continues to crash about ruining things, the media wasn't going to talk about its failures anymore. This announcement of all flash and little substance sucks out any air that may have been behind the whole income inequality or other things from the SOTU. At this point, it seems ok. Trumka and other dems saying they won't sign on is good news. The time for freaking out is not quite right now. That would come if something ever goes to conference with the Senate.

Posted by: AMDG at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (t7OO0)

53 Grass roots ain't just for smoking.

Posted by: Weepy Temptation Eyes at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (R6JT1)

54 Now is the time for amnesty

Posted by: DoDo Bird RINO at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (Pr6hk)

55 as they are Losers, and cannot advance their goals.

They advance THEIR goals just fine. 

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (DL2i+)

56 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo I didn't split from the Republicans. They split from me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (xZxMD)

57 Me Rove you Rong time.

Posted by: Wi Tu Low at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (g5X0d)

58 It's like nothing we say gets through their dense heads.  Amazing.  And screw them!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 30, 2014 12:27 PM (BAS5M)

59 53 Grass roots ain't just for smoking. Posted by: Weepy Temptation Eyes at January 30, 2014 05:27 PM (R6JT1) I saw the Grass Roots open for Johnny Maestro and the Brooklyn Bridge back in '69. No. Really!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (olDqf)

60 The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY?

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (hFL/3)

61 Bush still has to answer for his bullshit Patriot Act crap while NOT securing the border. It shows he was never serious about national security. How can you say he was serious when the border was/is a sieve?

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (A98Xu)

62 Good afternoon my fellow World Citizens

Posted by: Government Hammer at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (Pr6hk)

63 And for those who favor 'reform' as Repubs??? If you want to see the Repub future.... Look at California. It used to be a fairly conservative State, but as the ethnic makeup changed.... so did the politics. It is now a place where Freedom is limited, and even the Will of the People is constantly ignored (Gay marriage anyone?).... And it will STAY Democrat, because the reality is that immigrants LIKE Welfare, and Big Government....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (84gbM)

64 The time for freaking out is not quite right now.

Yes. Stay calm. All is well.

Posted by: Weeping Boner and Sen. Juan McCain at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (Dwehj)

65 The good news is it is the GOP pushing immigration. No way they won't ef it up.

Posted by: Valiant at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (aFxlY)

66 I swear. If I have one person say to me..."But we need to get the Republicans back in power instead of being such ideologues"......I am going to get fucking medieval.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (/o+xv)

67 What is most annoying is how stupid the R's think we are. And they must think we suffer from amnesia. Years ago when we called their bluff and said okay go ahead and secure the border first and then we'll talk about citizenship, the R's said oh-oh-oh but it's not possible to secure the border. And, they said, it would cost billions! Here they go again dangling that Secure Border carrot in our faces as if we are demented idiots.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:28 PM (g7osp)

68 Holy crap-- we are going to do the-- Full Balkans today. Just got done late lurking the last thread--it'sa doozy.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (RJMhd)

69 The stupid party!!!!

Posted by: Will work for sig at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (q177U)

70 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5) then the GOP will have to work with the 3rd party to get things passed I know this sound so Parliamentarian, but... so be it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (IXrOn)

71 Let me tell you something about 'Government Security'

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (Pr6hk)

72 the Whig to Repub had over of power happened in a 4 year span....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (84gbM)

The democrat party will have majorities in both houses, maybe even 2/3.

That, plus the looming 10-20 million+ new democrat voters will push the country over the edge.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (QFxY5)

73 Todays Republican Party #ObamasHardKnockLife

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (exFew)

74 Its "Racist", any move to increase the participation in the labor force by foreigners while African-American unemployment remains so high is inherently racist.  Tim Scott should knock this shit out of the park.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (4JkHl)

75 62 The good news is it is the GOP pushing immigration. No way they won't ef it up. Posted by: Valiant at January 30, 2014 05:28 PM (aFxlY) The GOP pushing Amnesty in the first place IS the fuck up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (olDqf)

76 >>> "Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced." Looks like the question contains the answer.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (Ua6T/)

77 The meat from the retreat.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (F75MN)

78 56 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


I didn't split from the Republicans. They split from me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 05:27 PM (xZxMD)

Nice Reagan hat tip there.  And I agree.  My values are unchanged.  It's the assholes in congress who are spineless who've changed.  My rep, Doug Lamborn, is one of them.

Never heard of him?  It's because he hasn't done anything worth a shit, that's why.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (x3YFz)

79 We blame Amanda Knox.

Posted by: Italian Prosecutors at January 30, 2014 12:29 PM (9F2c1)

80 Immigration reform always has been and always be an issue that is DOA as far as a legislative or policy success.

The Republican base tend towards 'law and order'. As such...the 'illegal part' of 'illegal immigration' is non-negotiable.

Even in the event that republicans give up their 'law and order' stance...the last thing big labor wants is an influx of 'cheap non-union labor'.

So we end up with this rather bizarre cat and mouse game of derailing immigration reform by one side or the other and not being seen to be the party derailing the reforms.

Hence...the Republican 'embrace' immigration reform then big labor suddenly claims the republican reforms are 'not really reforms' and 'doing nothing' is better then the Republican plan.

As a result of this game I don't get myself upset over various immigration reform pronouncements....because it's just a big game of chicken to get someone on record as being 'anti-immigrant'...in this case 'Big Labor' has already blinked.

The 'good' union jobs are all for big companies. Big companies make a habit of checking the documentation of job applicants. As a result big companies don't employ illegal immigrants and the 'union' jobs are protected.

As soon as those 'illegal immigrants' become 'legal'...they can get past the personnel office at big companies and displace the current union membership. As immigrants are generally happy to work for less then 'union wages' the union loses.






Posted by: harrywr2 at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (fDMbO)

81 There is no special path toward legalization. That is a long stated priority for the Dems (see Trumka freak out this morning). Going nowhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (g1DWB)

82 Miss me yet?

Posted by: James from Plains at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (Pr6hk)

83 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:26 PM (GEICT)

The talk of your bromance is all over the place So... you are officially "out?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (QFxY5)

84 They aren't the stupid party. They are the stupid whore party.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (XXNF8)

85 Kabuki.

The Two-Party Duopoly is an illusion of democracy. It's still the State versus the Citizen. The State always wins until there is a collapse. The GOP apparently wants to collapse itself first to expedite the next, bigger collapse.

I disavowed being a Republican during the last amnesty push under Bush. Now I'm essentially running against it. No "lesser of evils" game anymore. Amnesty was the last straw.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (eHIJJ)

86 Amazing how illegal immigration is the perfect wedge issue for the GOP. Being against amnesty resonates not only with the GOP base, but is a wining issue across the political spectrum. But rather than use the wedge to fracture the donks, the leadership would rather turn the wedge on their own party. Does anybody still honestly believe we don't live under one party rule?

Posted by: mugiwara at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (3a584)

87 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. ...because sticking with the GOP has yielded such dividends for us so far. Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Do it, dammit!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (naUcP)

88 69 the Whig to Repub had over of power happened in a 4 year span.... Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (84gbM) The democrat party will have majorities in both houses, maybe even 2/3. That, plus the looming 10-20 million+ new democrat voters will push the country over the edge. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:29 PM (QFxY5) That plus what Harry Reid did to the filibuster, a leftwing bureaucracy that cannot be removed and a corrupt judiciary and justice dept. Time to head for the woods and join the partisans.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (olDqf)

89 Standards for Immigration Reform PREAMBLE Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced. Then enforce the muthafukin' laws!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 12:30 PM (Bps3R)

90

@75

 

I'm a ok with not hearing about a congressman. Its when they want to be "historic" we get fucked and hard.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (t06LC)

91 My governor Herbert gave a spitfire state of state address yesterday, stressing state sovereignty on taking back our federal lands and gay marriage legislation, etc. Was beautiful wording. And today congressman Chaffetz is introducing legislation to end NFL's status as a nonprofit, which yes because they are getting all political as shills for O-Care. And my good senator Lee has had excellent soundbites this week, with Holder and SOTU rebuttal.

But most GOP in my state are now shills to big gov, and need to reenact the part of the tea in the Boston tea party pronto. State GOP is trying to end the caucus system, which would be disastrous for libertarian, tea party candidates. And I worry that they are going to somehow undermine Mia Love and get a different republican in her place, because they are usurping entitled idiots.

Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (BF+2f)

92 From Allah: "it may be that Boehner expects so many more tea partiers in the House and Senate next year that he feels he has to act now, before they’re seated. If he waits, tea partiers might be strong enough in 2015 to block the sort of bill that his friends in the Chamber of Commerce want written. " ROTFL

Posted by: Will work for sig at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (q177U)

93 I've been Unaffiliated voter status in Cali for a very long time...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (IXrOn)

94 Is it time for the primaries yet?  I think I can whip McCain

Posted by: Fred Thompson at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (Pr6hk)

95 While I agree that the Republican party is broken and is probably beyond saving, and that a third party is the logical next step for people...with you know....actual conservative principles; I care a lot. Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5) ********** ^ This. We cannot survive eight years of Hillary cementing and building on the Obama foundation. Done. Might as well move to Europe.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (RJMhd)

96 Miss me yet?

Yes.

Posted by: The rabbit from Plains at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (Dwehj)

97 35----"Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced. Washington’s failure to fix them is hurting our economy and jeopardizing our national security." Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (HtUkt) ------------------------ Well, I certainly agree with that statement. It's their proposed "solutions" that are crappola.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 12:31 PM (dfYL9)

98 >> It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.
 
National IDs, bitches. Papers, please.
 
If we aren't allowing new ones in per their points above, why do we need this? I bet the Dems won't go for that; why, it would be easy to require you display your NID to vote. Ruh roh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (cHZB7)

99 The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY? Michael Medved was astounded that the Hispanic vote didn't break for McCain during his Presidential bid. I believe these idiots think they HAVE to get rid of the "Republicans hate Hispanics" stink, and they think amnesty's going to happen anyway. So, they support it, because "We can win the Hispanic vote if we just prove we don't hate the Hispanics"!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (IoTdl)

100 As a result big companies don't employ illegal immigrants and the 'union' jobs are protected. That sound you hear is Tyson Foods laughing.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (naUcP)

101 The talk of your bromance is all over the place So... you are officially "out?" Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (QFxY5) ??????

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (GEICT)

102 I used to sneer in disgust at the conservatives who refused to hold their nose to vote for stinkers like Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney. That was like voting for the Democrat, I said.

Now I'm one of them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 12:32 PM (8ZskC)

103

I'm all for legalization provided  current illegal aliens  would be required to waive their right to pursue citizenship  if they accept this  legalization status. 

 

The only way they could be put on the path to citizenship is to return to their country and apply  like everyone else. 

 

That  is not part of the GOP plan  and would never be accepted by the Left so its just a pipe dream.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (m2CN7)

104

So its official now. The Democrats with an R after their name have decided amnesty is the hill to die on.

 

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (T2V/1)

 

Die, lie; what's the difference? El PRL has been lying on their backs on so many hills it now takes a mountain to move them.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (o44nj)

105 >>The overriding purpose of our immigration system is to promote and further America’s national interests

>>Visa and green card allocations need to reflect the needs of employers

>>It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children



Who needs to make sense? Certainly not the House GOP.

Posted by: kartoffel at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (07vvi)

106 Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (g1DWB) Uh... you might want to read the end of their statement... There is specifically in there a path to be Legalized.... ie live and work here... to 'come out of the shadows'...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (84gbM)

107 76 We blame Amanda Knox. Posted by: Italian Prosecutors at January 30, 2014 05:29 PM (9F2c1) Something happened in that house, axe Mike Nifong.

Posted by: Nancy Grace at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (0FSuD)

108 Time to head for the woods and join the partisans. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (olDqf) ******** So do the Tito maneuver--although that guy was a sort of Commie.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (RJMhd)

109 I, for one, look forward to an influx of crease makers

Posted by: David Brooks at January 30, 2014 12:33 PM (Pr6hk)

110 90

I've been Unaffiliated voter status in Cali for a very long time...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:31 PM (IXrOn)

Girl.... being a conservative in CA is like being white on MLK Blvd at 0200.

RUN! (as Chris Rock says)

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (x3YFz)

111 This simply doesn't make sense. Why? Why are they doing thing now when pounding obamacare's ass makes so much more sense? I can't figure this out...................Simple. The big money donors in the GOP want the cheap and now legal help. They have the purse strings. What the DOP is too fucking stupid to understand is that while they might get their envelope of cash from the big wigs. They fail to comprehend that their base won't be showing up to vote for them. Obamacare's level of suckage is not enough to motivate the base. It might keep some Dems home. But now they've gone and purposely demoralized the base for their blood money. Good luck with that boys. I will not vote for ANY Republican for midterms. Done.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (/o+xv)

112 Leftists believe that 'Republicans are Racists' and that 'Racists should be exterminated.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (4YooD)

113 F 'em...with red hot rods. LIB!

Posted by: billygoat at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (5gfow)

114 "Our nation's immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced."

So let's write some new laws of ever increasing scope that will amnesty illegals and, well, nothing else because the law still won't be enforced.

Kabuki.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (eHIJJ)

115 "The real favor...take my advice and fire their asses because a loser is a loser."

Posted by: Mike at January 30, 2014 12:34 PM (Rk8LS)

116 There are some Republicans worth a damn,there isn't one Democrat worth a damn.I wish the good ones ran the party but they don't.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (zqvg6)

117 They are keen to build the largest coalition possible, and will probably be quite successful at it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (4YooD)

118 How can you look around at the unemployed and underemployed rates in this country and think "Hey, let's import cheap illiterate socialist-loving law-breaking labor!"

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (zDsvJ)

119 ??????

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:32 PM (GEICT)

It's no use denying it...I read it in a blog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (QFxY5)

120 105 Time to head for the woods and join the partisans. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (olDqf) ******** So do the Tito maneuver--although that guy was a sort of Commie. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 05:33 PM (RJMhd) Well, better that than be an unarmed Jew fleeing to the sewers of Warsaw. Although that may yet be in our future, G-d forbid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (olDqf)

121 Congratulations, GOP.   You finally found the     stand to make that will convince me to vote democrat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (9T/th)

122 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 05:32 PM (cHZB7) Even as a Libertarian.... I am for a National ID card tied to citizenship, drivers license, passport, and voter ID. And yes, you HAVE to show it to vote... in PERSON.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:35 PM (84gbM)

123 Deport every last shadow person we can find. That's an immigration policy I can live with.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (exFew)

124 why not get ahead of this other thing they want to take credit for, but don't want to get the backlash from? Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:26 PM (8ifMA)

How cute, they think the MSM will deign to give them credit? Sheesh, you would think they were all political newbies or something. And yet young upstarts Cruz and Lee are supposedly the dumb ones.

Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (BF+2f)

125

I respect some of you that do not want the pain of a 3rd party. Really do.

 

But I'm ready for a little wilderness myself. Could give a fuck less if the country survives. This is the clincher for me.

 

I'm sitting this shit out, at the Fed, State, and Local levels. To Hell with the GOP. I will not vote for another one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (QryZ9)

126 >>Simple. The big money donors in the GOP want the cheap and now legal help. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Please go around to the dumpster at the back of the alley and collect your winnings.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (zDsvJ)

127 It's no use denying it...I read it in a blog. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:35 PM (QFxY5) Read it on the internet? Must be true. But I really don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (GEICT)

128 92 We cannot survive eight years of Hillary cementing and building on the Obama foundation. Done. Might as well move to Europe. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 05:31 PM (RJMhd) You don't have to. Europe will be here. And I don't mean the Louvre.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:36 PM (olDqf)

129 Just wait 'til all this "cheap new labor" comes in and hands control to the Dems so they can demand a $10.10 or whatever minimum wage.

Brilliant!


Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (I2cH2)

130 btw, anyone notice that Al Qaeda's Nidal Hassan's trial has ceased? Is it because of his stupid beard?? But yeah I totes believe illegals will pay back taxes and fines.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (g7osp)

131 Well, better that than be an unarmed Jew fleeing to the sewers of Warsaw. Although that may yet be in our future, G-d forbid. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:35 PM (olDqf) ********* We will always have Canada. maybe.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (RJMhd)

132 Huge mistake not pushing English as the national language. Besides EVERYTHING else, imagine what it will cost to comply with the inevitable laws requiring everything be in spanish as well as english.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (A98Xu)

133 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

Some of it will.  But not all of it.   It will not look like the US has looked for  so many years.  It's time to seriously start thinking about a divorce from DC.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (5PeyL)

134 We can all move to Cabo and be with Sammy Hagar.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (olDqf)

135 >>>Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. you may well be right. But I feel like the Establishment is forcing this. That is, they're holding this over us, the fact that the country will be left a ruin if we don't just Go Along. But at some point I think it is necessary to say the same thing back to them: Either Go Along with us, or you'll be responsible for the ruin.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (/FnUH)

136 I appreciate our collective urge to hold GOP feet to fire to stop amnesty and knee-jerk assumption that we are being screwed, but at least this gem is there: "we will not go to a conference with the Senate’s immigration bill." yay! the bad? "It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own, those who know no other place as home. For those who meet certain eligibility standards, and serve honorably in our military or attain a college degree, we will do just that." DAFUQ? How about this, GOP, stop anchor babies, period.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 12:37 PM (QxSug)

137 I'm all for a 3rd party.

I'd be happy just to have a second party at this point.

Posted by: mongo78 at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (amCAe)

138 It won't be emigres but human traffic-ees!

Posted by: Fight friendly fire with indignant fire at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (R6JT1)

139 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:35 PM (olDqf)

This Jew will never be unarmed.

We need to talk....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (QFxY5)

140 >>>Not that that would make a big difference, as they are Losers, and cannot advance their goals.

Want some matches ace? Plenty to go around. hehehe.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (0q2P7)

141 >>Uh... you might want to read the end of their statement... >>There is specifically in there a path to be Legalized.... ie live and work here... to 'come out of the shadows'... I read the complete thing an hour ago. Legal status is not citizenship, they can't vote, no benefits, no special path to citizenship. The only reason the Dems want them is for their votes. They don't give a shit about them, just their votes and that is out. The Republicans also flatly refused to go to conference. Straight up or down votes on bills. This will never pass the Senate. This is not going anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (g1DWB)

142 You don't have to. Europe will be here. And I don't mean the Louvre. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (olDqf) ******* I'm already there, er in Cali.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (RJMhd)

143 18 This simply doesn't make sense. Why? Why are they doing thing now when pounding obamacare's ass makes so much more sense?

I can't figure this out. Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (A98Xu

Let's say , they're corrupt? 

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (AWmfW)

144 People don't see too many Hispanics on TeeVee, and therefore assume that that means that the elites are more than happy to let them do whatever they want to Hispanics, especially if they are sufficiently politically-correct and legalistic about the whole thing. And, no doubt, Republicans doing everything possible to push Hispanics toward the Democrat Party is exactly what the Democrats want.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (4YooD)

145 126 Just wait 'til all this "cheap new labor" comes in and hands control to the Dems so they can demand a $10.10 or whatever minimum wage. --- They don't even need voting rights for that. They just need to join unions.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 12:38 PM (zDsvJ)

146 Hey GOP, won't Obama just ignore the new law anyway? Look how he's following his own fucking law to the letter for a fucking clue. Throw his lawlessness in his fucking face and just do nothing. The current Immigration Law isn't broken, its just not enforced! There would be no 'shadows' to live in if they weren't here in the first damn place!

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (9Bdcz)

147 What about diversity? Have we not allowed enough brunettes into the country? Why, pray tell, can we not immediately begin allowing a corresponding number of blondes and redheads into the country?

Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (Bps3R)

148 They are not stupid. They are on the other side.

Posted by: Al at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (40XA1)

149 That is, they're holding this over us, the fact that the country will be left a ruin if we don't just Go Along.

Can't someone do something to help that poor man?!

Posted by: The Citizens of Rock Ridge at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (8ZskC)

150 I wanted to point something out this morning but . . . work.

Anyway.

The biggest reason the GOP is hot to trot on amnesty is like this: All the big problems--the one's Americans say are their top priorities over and over and over--are hard. Very hard.

They require difficult choices, ones that really will piss many people off.

But, amnesty?

Down there at the bottom. Eh.

They figure they can make some sort of half-assed, fig leaf and get a big WIN they can bring back home to run on in fall.

So, they really do think we are that stupid.

They see it as meaningless and an easy win. They don't give a fuck what we see happening. We are not smart enough to be elected to Congress. They are. That makes you stupid; stupider than they.

They think they're going to bring us peace in our time.

They're going to be pretty damned lucky if they don't get tar and feathers.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (VjL9S)

151 But I really don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (GEICT)

You and me both.

Somebody mentioned you and a bromance in a comment and I ran with it.

Don't worry -- your secret is safe with me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (QFxY5)

152 Have the Dems ever done anything remotely similar to what the Repubs just did? Ever?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (ZPrif)

153 Because we have become government over the people, paid by the people, and for the people that matter?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (qQWQE)

154
>>>Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM

I've got matches...Right over here.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 30, 2014 12:39 PM (0q2P7)

155 83 ---"... Being against amnesty resonates not only with the GOP base, but is a wining issue across the political spectrum. But rather than use the wedge to fracture the donks, the leadership would rather turn the wedge on their own party.... Posted by: mugiwara at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (3a584) --------------------------- THIS. There are plenty of people who normally vote Democrat who are very much against amnesty and just plain furious about the illegal invasion. We could get those votes. We should be accusing the Dems of being open-border advocates who just want to drive down the price of labor.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (dfYL9)

156

How about this, GOP, stop anchor babies, period.

 

-

 

Anchor babies are the straw purchases of immigration policy.  There is no law in place that give citizenship to children of      illegals.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (9T/th)

157 129 Huge mistake not pushing English as the national language. Besides EVERYTHING else, imagine what it will cost to comply with the inevitable laws requiring everything be in spanish as well as english. Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (A98Xu) For just under 200 years, we never had to do that because it was accepted as a norm. The same as codified term limits. Elected representatives never dreamed of serving more than one term until about the time of Woodrow Wilson. What I'm getting at is every one of our cultural norms, institutions, ideals and laws have been turned on their heads so that the left can overthrow the republic and destroy the Constitution and, ultimately, the nation.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (olDqf)

158 But there will be no mass deportations. No one will ever be allowed to do anything which would make Mussolini look sane.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (4YooD)

159 Michael Medved was astounded that the Hispanic vote didn't break for McCain during his Presidential bid.

I believe these idiots think they HAVE to get rid of the "Republicans hate Hispanics" stink, and they think amnesty's going to happen anyway. So, they support it, because "We can win the Hispanic vote if we just prove we don't hate the Hispanics"!

Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:32 PM (IoTdl)

 

All the while ignoring that if even Romney had gotten Hispanics to break for him at a percentage even greater than Obama got them he still would have lost.  I don't imagine McCain's chances were much better.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (LI48c)

160 122
I respect some of you that do not want the pain of a 3rd party. Really do.

But I'm ready for a little wilderness myself. Could give a fuck less if the country survives. This is the clincher for me.

I'm sitting this shit out, at the Fed, State, and Local levels. To Hell with the GOP. I will not vote for another one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (QryZ9)

I'm with you brother.

We're turtling up.  I'll not share specifics online (this aint FB) but we have means, and we're one one side:  our own.

To borrow and modify the Marine slogan,

Be polite
Be Professional
Trust no one
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (x3YFz)

161 The statement is nothing but a word salad of focus-tested phrases that they clearly don't mean and have no intention of adhering to.  It's not worth the time it takes to read, although read it I did.  I hate admitting I got rolled, but Ryan did it.  F*** you Paul.  Your presidential hopes just went bye-bye.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (6TB1Z)

162 So they would be legal, but not citizens? Any bets how long it would be until the first lawsuit is filed? And any bets on whether or not that would stand up in court?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (GEICT)

163 I will never vote for a Democrat ever  unless  the definition of a Democrat changes.    Never.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

164 And if this is some sort of eleventyeth dimensional chess bullshit where they make a proposal that they know will be dead in the water, I still have to ask, WHY?

They don't think that even if this shit is shot down or has no chance that the public will still revolt against the basic concept and against them?

I'll tell you one thing, they go forward with this, whether it's some super sekrit plan towards failure or not, they will lose a LOT of support.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (GrtrJ)

165 Nor will people self deport because they care about their children and their future.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:40 PM (4YooD)

166 Breaking Alt-History News: Senate Dems announce statement of principles for banning late term abortion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (ZPrif)

167

I an nominally a member of the R party so I can vote in primaries (wanted to vote for W over McCain a number of years ago, for example). However, no allegiance and no dollars to them, they are off the rails.

 

Why now?, says it all. Only thing that makes sense is twofold.

 

(1) Heavy pressure from Chamber of Commerce/crony capitalist lobby.

 

(2) If they wait, people will still be livid come the Presidential election in 2016. If they push it now and it fails, it goes away. If it passes, they figure this will allow several years for anger to ebb away and apathy to set in by the time the Presidential race arrives.

 

Ugh.

Posted by: RM at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (fRppw)

168 Yup, I'm done with the GOP.

Posted by: CDR M at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (LsJl8)

169 153 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 05:40 PM (9T/th) I like anchor babies. Henry Waxman tied to an anchor, baby.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (olDqf)

170 120 Deport every last shadow person we can find. That's an immigration policy I can live with. Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (exFew) Actually, a State COULD solve its own Illegal Immigrant problem... if it had the balls to do it. Falsification of ID is against STATE, not just Federal, law. So.... enforce it... start a Case, but tell them the trial date is 6 months from now... and we will NOT pursue you across international boundaries. They will self deport... and if you get some wrong? Then they have a Court trial to bring their evidence to...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (84gbM)

171 nobody is more conservative than an ohio republican, nobody.

Posted by: rev dr der commisar miller at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (kI7xg)

172 Given that birth-right citizenship is a real thing, this means that the Democrat Coalition will keep growing.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (4YooD)

173 Somebody mentioned you and a bromance in a comment and I ran with it. Don't worry -- your secret is safe with me. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:39 PM (QFxY5) Ok, sweet. Let's keep it on the dl, k?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (GEICT)

174 Breaking Alt-History News: Democrats announce statement of principles for lowering the corporate tax rate to 0%.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:41 PM (ZPrif)

175 What happens when the Fed can't turn the spigot off? Seriously, what is the cap? 20m? 50m? 70m?




Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (fGPLK)

176 132 >>>Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. you may well be right. But I feel like the Establishment is forcing this. That is, they're holding this over us, the fact that the country will be left a ruin if we don't just Go Along. But at some point I think it is necessary to say the same thing back to them: Either Go Along with us, or you'll be responsible for the ruin. Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (/FnUH) ********* Probably the rational is--they think they lost your vote last time. That could be the hypothesis they are working on. Really difficult to tell in exit polling who did not show up. Looks to me like this is a party so shell shocked that they can't decipher how to navigate.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (RJMhd)

177 If Maria Molina needs a husband to solidify her immigration status, I'm available.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (exFew)

178 I'm particularly pissed that amnesty/immigration will now be front and center instead of Obamacare. My God, politicians are massive turds.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (A98Xu)

179 Real troll fodder on the previous thread if anyone wants to take their frustrations out on an imbecile.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (LI48c)

180 With a GOP like this, now I can fully appreciate why the base stayed home in '08 and '12. I might just have to join them next time around if we get stuck with Jeb/Krsipy/Huntsman.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (olDqf)

181 And, no doubt, the whole thing will end quite well for "tea baggers." Just like it ended quite well for "kulaks" and so forth.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:42 PM (4YooD)

182

Huge mistake not pushing English as the national language. Besides EVERYTHING else, imagine what it will cost to comply with the inevitable laws requiring everything be in spanish as well as english.

 

Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (A98Xu)

 

Just wait until it's "Press 3 for English." (spoken in Arabic)

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 12:43 PM (o44nj)

183 Wanna see a photo of Boehner fucking a goat?

Posted by: NSA Clerk #A55561 at January 30, 2014 12:43 PM (yn6XZ)

184 Any bets how long it would be until the first lawsuit is filed? I'd wager the filing is already written.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (IoTdl)

185 Breaking Alt-History News: Democrats announce statement of principles for ending all Affirmative Action policies, describing them as a "relic of our racist past".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

186 180 Wanna see a photo of Boehner fucking a goat? Posted by: NSA Clerk #A55561 at January 30, 2014 05:43 PM (yn6XZ) In Soviet America, Goat fuck Boehner...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (olDqf)

187 Any bets how long it would be until the first lawsuit is filed? And any bets on whether or not that would stand up in court?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (6TB1Z)

188 Oh.... and letting those Kids stay, because it is not their fault??? ALLOWS THEIR PARENTS TO STAY! Because it would be 'bad' to break up families... O will say.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (84gbM)

189 Leftists are extremely magnanimous and tolerant. Especially of people they consider 'irredeemable haters' and/or 'Enemies of Leftism.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (4YooD)

190 160 I will never vote for a Democrat ever unless the definition of a Democrat changes. Never.

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 05:40 PM (m2CN7)

Aye.

When the next idiot that the RNC prances out to run, courtesy of Lance Prepubescent, I'll just choose to.... play golf?  My cars need some work, holy cow, there's a ton of things I could better spend my time doing than

Vote For The Next Idiot Loser.

but never demoncrap.  nope.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (x3YFz)

191

What happens when the Fed can't turn the spigot off? Seriously, what is the cap? 20m? 50m? 70m?

 

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:42 PM (fGPLK)

 

What's the population of Latin America?

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (o44nj)

192 It is strange that no one in DC seems to realize that the people we're talking about are citizens already. They didn't drop from the sky. These foreigners are citizens of other nations. THEY HAVE MOTHER LANDS. Theyre not Men Without A Country.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:44 PM (g7osp)

193 CAC has his hopes pinned on Walker. I'm starting to get talked into that. I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:45 PM (RJMhd)

194 Mark this week down. It's got the feel of History Book Important. I hit these kind of thing more than I miss.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 12:45 PM (QryZ9)

195 Anchor babies are the straw purchases of immigration policy. There is no law in place that give citizenship to children of illegals. Fruit of the poisoned tree. You are here illegally, you have a kid, kid doesn't get to benefit from your lawbreaking.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:45 PM (kkuhJ)

196 What the GOP is doing is going as far left as they possibly can, while expecting that the anger over stalincare will carry them.   They are essentially saying that they can pass any crap that they want, because 'where are you going to go - to the democrats?".  The answer is yes - if     the GOP      seriously believes     in the things that they     champion and      vote for, there isn't enough difference between the two parties to make me want to vote GOP.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (9T/th)

197 I honestly don't know what to think of the GOP.  They could have the greatest electoral triumph this year, and they seem determined to help the Democrats out of their troubles.

Posted by: Null at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (P7hip)

198 When Leftists call "tea baggers" 'White Racist Fascists,' they mean that as a compliment.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (4YooD)

199 Why the fuck do we even have a Department of Immigration and Naturalization? What the fuck are paying the ICE agents for? Most importantly, how do I get in on this sweet fucking scam?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (exFew)

200 Either Go Along with us, or you'll be responsible for the ruin.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (/FnUH)

I agree Ace, and I have arrived at the point many around here have....that I will no longer support the lesser of two evils.

My only point is that our country will become something radically different in the span of a few years if we break away from the Republican party, and that makes me sad, because I love this country.

It's almost certainly going to happen anyway, but still.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (QFxY5)

201 Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First

No problems with that, in fact...don't we have laws concerning this?

Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System

No problems with that, in fact I wouldn't have a problem with expanding the temp workers visa program either, but once again...don't we already have laws for this?

Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement

I thought we were already supposed to be doing this?

So for the first three points...how about enforcing existing law? It does have the advantage of never being tried, apparently.

Youth

I actually don't have a problem with some sort of limited dream program either, except that I know that it will eventually be used to bring all the relatives in with the "legal" one being the sponsor.

Individuals Living Outside the Rule of Law

Anything that doesn't include the phrase "immediate deportation" is bullshit, and this is where they lose most of the rest of us.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (yh0zB)

202 180 Wanna see a photo of Boehner fucking a goat?

Posted by: NSA Clerk #A55561 at January 30, 2014 05:43 PM (yn6XZ)

as if the last 4 years isn't enough?  dude... might as well just loop gaotse

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (x3YFz)

203 190 CAC has his hopes pinned on Walker.

I'm starting to get talked into that.

I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me. Posted by: tasker


So you like amnesty, then.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (6TB1Z)

204
You misspelled "war" as "principles".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 12:46 PM (n0DEs)

205 It's like we're trying to adopt fully grown children from their parents. No one does this. No one adopts adults.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 12:47 PM (g7osp)

206 I think most Ruling Class Repubs support Amnesty for the same reason W Bush supported Amnesty -- they are rich blue-bloods that have Mexican nannies and gardeners and servants that they like and they think it would be kinda mean to not give them amnesty. Plus they live in rich, left-wing neighborhoods where "everybody knows" that only racist dirtbags that hate Mexicans are opposed to Amnesty.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:47 PM (ZPrif)

207 What the fuck are paying the ICE agents for?

Most importantly, how do I get in on this sweet fucking scam?

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (exFew)

...was thinking exactly both those thoughts.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:47 PM (x3YFz)

208 As to the law not being enforced? Um Yeah that's no reason to go an redo everything.

ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

SECURE THE BORDER

TRACK VISAS

DEPORT THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BE HERE

There's a list for the GOP to ponder.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 12:47 PM (LSDdO)

209 Yep. There's no way doing everything possible to allow the Democrats to "win the future" could possibly end badly for Republicans.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:48 PM (4YooD)

210 Fruit of the poisoned tree Legumes come from plants, not trees.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 12:48 PM (exFew)

211 200 190 CAC has his hopes pinned on Walker. I'm starting to get talked into that. I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me. Posted by: tasker So you like amnesty, then. Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (6TB1Z) ************* Really? Why would Walker comment on that? Did he?

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:48 PM (RJMhd)

212 When I watch the GOP "from the outside," it's like gerbils on a wheel, in a very small box, in a total state of panic. Clueless, frantic, busy work.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:48 PM (IXrOn)

213

I think most Ruling Class Repubs support Amnesty for the same reason W Bush supported Amnesty -- they are rich blue-bloods that have Mexican nannies and gardeners and servants that they like and they think it would be kinda mean to not give them amnesty.

Everything you just said is bullshit emotional crap.

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:48 PM (m2CN7)

214 It was so simple. 

1) build the fucking wall.
2) done.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (6TB1Z)

215 117 105 Time to head for the woods and join the partisans. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 05:30 PM (olDqf) Yeah, and I just sold one of my Land Cruiser. Bad timing. I am down to just two.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (0FSuD)

216 We've been trying to play it safe since the whole Tea Party thing started, reform from within, maintain a credible opposition...  but our pretended leadership refuses to be a credible opposition, even with an energized base and new blood ready to go.  What other option do we have?  A third party is risky, but there's a lot of people out there who are sick of the status quo who might be drawn to the novelty of a new option, and hopefully would stay for the sanity that the old options lack.

Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (i+Vw2)

217 Son, we live in a world that has voting booths, and those booths have to be filled by men who vote. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Boehner? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for amnesty, and you curse the base. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That amnesty's death, while tragic, probably saves your majority. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves your majority. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in that booth, you need me in that booth. Americans use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and cries under the blanket of the very majority that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a dead voter roll, and bribe some homeless with cigarettes. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Posted by: traye at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (f7Iot)

218

I honestly don't know what to think of the GOP. They could have the greatest electoral triumph this year, and they seem determined to help the Democrats out of their troubles.

 

-

 

Because they have a far greater enemy - a populace who wants to direct their own life, and spend less.  Call it the tea party or any other name, they are the enemy.  The establishment GOP and the democrats are like shia and sunni arabs - there may be      differences between them, but     from the perspective of a    Christian     caught in their lands,      they are almost identical.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (9T/th)

219 What's so bad about mass deportations? We have noted that the feds and local authorities have gone wild using SWAT teams on regular law abiding citizens to enforce sub-misdemeanor crimes or business regulations.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (QxSug)

220 McCain wants Amnesty so we have more fodder for the Sino-American War of 2037.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

221 176 Real troll fodder on the previous thread if anyone wants to take their frustrations out on an imbecile. Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 05:42 PM (LI48c) I think you're right....'Tom Sawyer' got a new hash.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (bCEmE)

222 So you like amnesty, then. Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (6TB1Z) No http://tinyurl.com/m2tz7e8

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 12:49 PM (GEICT)

223 The summary on this is that Paco and about 30 million friends will be given provisional legal status while we are busy securing the border. If they do anything or if the border is not secured, they'll make them illegal again. Also, no voting for them. They really do think we're stupid enough to buy that this would ever happen and that there won't be an immediate cry to give them the vote, because fairness. It should physically hurt to be this stupid, but, sadly, I think the LIVs will buy this. My short summary of this, monumental clusterfuck.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (ojnk6)

224 Everything you just said is bullshit emotional crap. What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (IoTdl)

225 Really?
Why would Walker comment on that?


He did.  He was asked in an interview.  He said he could see a path to naturalization, sure. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (6TB1Z)

226 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (yh0zB) Ahhh.... Note.... almost all of the 'good' stuff is law already... Just not enforced. So.... we need MOAR Laws... to not enforce about the good stuff.... so they can pass the crappy AMNESTY stuff. Because it is just that.... AMNESTY.... but... they are trying to pull the 'I'm just a little bit Pregnant' crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (84gbM)

227
The republicans did a very good job of getting terrible obamacare stories out of the news and everyone talking about amnesty.  So....win.  or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (n0DEs)

228 The GOP has now effectively announced it is allied with the Democrats in their war on the American people. May God help us all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 12:50 PM (naUcP)

229 219 So you like amnesty, then. Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (6TB1Z) No http://tinyurl.com/m2tz7e8 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:49 PM (GEICT) ********* Thanks BCochran off to follow the link.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (RJMhd)

230 also, the fan-fiction left has the GOP believing that mass deportations are popularity killers, leading moderates to leave teh GOP. But as annie c points out: "“Do you support or oppose deporting the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.?” ..... But even answering a stacked poll question asking about something no one has proposed — deportation — a majority of respondents, 53.4 percent, supported deportation, compared to 42 percent opposed. Among Republicans, 74.1 percent favored deportation, with only 22.3 percent opposed.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (QxSug)

231 The only reason the Dems want them is for their votes. They don't give a shit about them, just their votes and that is out.

The Republicans also flatly refused to go to conference. Straight up or down votes on bills. This will never pass the Senate.

This is not going anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 05:38 PM (g1DWB)

 

 

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So you think this is just another example of Boehner's procedural genius?

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (5PeyL)

232 After all, Leftism has never murdered anyone. Not 300 million victims of Communism. Not 55 million babies in America alone. They can definitely be trusted with absolute power.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (4YooD)

233 **The GOP has now effectively announced it is allied with the Democrats in their war on the American people. ** Help us coin the phrase: America's Vichy Party

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (QxSug)

234 185 Oh.... and letting those Kids stay, because it is not their fault??? ALLOWS THEIR PARENTS TO STAY! Because it would be 'bad' to break up families... O will say. Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 05:44 PM (84gbM) If we're talking anchor babies, send them home with their families. When they turn 18 they can come back, unless they renounce their citizenship. There's no law that says the parents have to profit from their criminal acts.

Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2014 12:51 PM (9221z)

235 I've only remained registered with the GOP because my state is closed primary. I will be changing to Dem by the end of the week, and support the most conservative Dem in primaries from here on out.


Let's face it, if the donks would have actually needed a GOP vote for Obamacare, they'd have gotten it. Were it not for pro-2nd Amendment donks, they'd have gotten their gun registry a year ago. I actually trust more Dems to oppose Obama than the GOP.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (3a584)

236 poly, huh? No, it's how I think they actually think. Rich Repubs live mostly in rich left-wing neighborhoods. Ruling class Repubs live in the DC suburbs that voted 80% for Obama. Emotions matter. They don't wan to be called a racist by their neighbors or their kid's teachers. Or their kids -- many of whom grow up left-wing since they grow up in leftist land.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (ZPrif)

237 GOP, here's the deal... If you don't do what your constituents want wrt Amnesty, in fact if you do the exact polar opposite. Why would I believe that you're going to do what your constituents want wrt Obamacare? Vote for amnesty and you're done in my book. I will vote against you because I can't trust you. Easy. Peasy. I have no reason to expect you to dismantle Obamacare.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (0cMkb)

238
Clueless, frantic, busy work.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:48 PM (IXrOn)

So it's you that was spying on me trying to do laundry yesterday.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (x3YFz)

239 What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)

Corporate money funneled to reelection campaign accounts that will ensure that the congressmen in question will remain in office for as long as they want.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (QFxY5)

240 Simple way to solve the "immigration" problem.

The penalty for knowingly hiring an illegal alien is $1M. Anyone who provide information leading to the convinction of someone for hiring an illegal will receive $100K.

EOS.

You won't even need border agents.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (P3U0f)

241 >>>So they would be legal, but not citizens?

Any bets how long it would be until the first lawsuit is filed? And any bets on whether or not that would stand up in court?<<<



Can just hear the illegal advocacy groups starting with the "no taxation without representation" chants -- claiming that they're just holding true to Tea Party-esqe principals.

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 12:52 PM (I2cH2)

242 Corporate money funneled to reelection campaign accounts that will ensure that the congressmen in question will remain in office for as long as they want.
***
and more importantly a job as a lobbyist afterwards.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (P3U0f)

243 So from the document:  The goal of a guest worker program should be to address the economic need of the country.

In what fucking universe does the economic need of the country call for more immigration?

Posted by: Adam at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (Aif/5)

244 What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)

 

 

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Money.  It's always the money.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (5PeyL)

245 Especially if they are wielding that power against people they consider 'Much Worse than Italians.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (4YooD)

246 All the Democratic strategists agree that if the Republicans don't go all out for the Hispanic vote the Party will slide into history. I have to agree. If we hadn't fought so hard for Civil Rights 60 years ago we wouldn't have the solid Black voting bloc we have now.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (uQw9t)

247 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (4YooD)

248 We already have representation without taxation - it is called the welfare state.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 12:53 PM (9T/th)

249 Once I'm an American I'm not gonna want to do the jobs Americans don't want to do. But I got a cousin in central America who might. So we need amnesty for him, too. Get on that shit, now.

Posted by: Juan Doe [/i] at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (oGrEy)

250 208 200 190
CAC has his hopes pinned on Walker.



I'm starting to get talked into that.



I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me.

Posted by: tasker

So you like amnesty, then.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)


*************


Really?


Why would Walker comment on that?

Did he?

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 05:48 PM (RJMhd)


Walker said the gang of eight bill sounded like a good idea to him.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (buZ/8)

251 In summary: the same dipshits that are implementing Obamacare will implement ObamacaresaboutLatinos. Epic. Fail. Pending.

Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (Bps3R)

252 Ruling Class Repubs live mostly in Big City Urban and close-in Suburbs that are, culturally, very left-wing. Their neighbors and friends and children's playmates all live and breath this Cultural Marxist bullshit and the lie that Only Racists Oppose Amnesty.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (ZPrif)

253 Help us coin the phrase: America's Vichy Party

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 05:51 PM (QxSug)

Unfortunately, as a student of history and a bookworm, I acknowledge that 1) you're right and 2)  You're so right it's scary.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (x3YFz)

254 But at some point I think it is necessary to say the same thing back to them: Either Go Along with us, or you'll be responsible for the ruin.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (/FnUH)


You mean like a Mexican standoff...

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (AWmfW)

255 This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican. Don't give up yet Ace. Jeb Bush is going to announce.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 12:54 PM (uQw9t)

256 There is nothing wrong with Scott Walker, just like there was nothing wrong with Mitt Romney when considered as an alternative to Obama/Hillary-style governance. Fine, you don't agree with them on a lot, you are far superior to them on a Conservative scale from 1-10, but it's almost always a binary choice between R and D, Perot notwithstanding. Quit giving ye dreaded Establishment so much power,concentrate on the voters, point out D failures, not R failures, get someone in there who just might break our way on the major issues. It's how it has to work.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (ZshNr)

257 Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 05:49 PM (i+Vw2) Note.... 1/3 of the American population self identify as independent. I watched the SOTU, and Bing had a neat thing where you could rate what the Prezzy was saying... 5 categories, strongly agree, to strongly disagree. You also self identified into Repub, Dem, or Indy. As you watched the real time lines as people voted... the Indy line and Repub line followed almost identically.... telling me that Indys are MUCH more Conservative, and anti Big Gov... then the Media wants to admit. But even with 2/3rds of the Electorate agreeing with them... the GOP seems hell bent on blowing the election.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (84gbM)

258 Hubby headed off to a hockey match. Time to couch it with back to back Hunted episodes and a glass of wine. /cheers all Love, The Unaffiliated

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (IXrOn)

259

What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)

 

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Money. It's always the money.

 

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 05:53 PM (5PeyL)

 

How come I get short-changed here?  After all, without me, money doesn't mean jack shit.

Posted by: The Power at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (o44nj)

260 It's not as if Leftists have already been going out of their way to abuse their power.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (4YooD)

261 This is really is more about Culture than Money. If Ruling Class Dems lived and worked in rural areas that voted 80% Republicans, the Dems would have a similar huge disconnect between their voters and their Ruling Class.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

262 Vashta Nerada: "They are essentially saying that they can pass any crap that they want, because 'where are you going to go - to the democrats?'."

This.

The GOP is using anti-ObamaCare sentiment as the carrier for all the other sh*t it wants to pass now. It has done nothing to shrink the Leviathan and is coopting Progressive government. Just like "border security" is held hostage to "path to citizenship", so is any conservative legislation policy held hostage to anti-ObamaCare rhetoric. ObamaCare sentiment is the vehicle to escort big government policies conservatives won't accept.

It won't work. I refuse to play.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 12:56 PM (eHIJJ)

263 Spanish language TV are the gatekeepers for all things political and social in the Latino world. If the GoP thinks it can pierce even 2% of that market, they're simply insane.

GoP can't even claim 2% of the Chicano vote, much less non-English speaking new arrivals from the hinterlands of S America.

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 12:56 PM (fGPLK)

264 So,  henceforth, the republican party will be referred to as the "Vichy Americanos"

Deviate from this nomenclature, and you will have snails (hungry, angry snails who've been poked with sticks and threatened with Salt) placed upon your nether regions.

//end decree

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:56 PM (x3YFz)

265 Repunks got to have amnasty now cause Jebbie Bush III will get 45% of Hispans in the future cause he married to one........ I scared of Bush III, no really he scares me... me as a Lyin Rat!

Posted by: Bob Beckle at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (uUXp6)

266 Ruling Class Repubs honestly believe that it's kinda racist to opposed Amnesty. And that's why they support it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

267

What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)

 

I'll need to know your definition of amnesty before I could answer your question.    At aos,  it  seems to be anything less than the immediate  deportation of the 15 to 25 million illegals. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (m2CN7)

268 Can just hear the illegal advocacy groups starting with the "no taxation without representation" chants Fine. Do what we did. Start a war.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (FGsJM)

269 No

http://tinyurl.com/m2tz7e8 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk


In your link, he claims he was taken out of context.  So clarify it.  "I will never, under any circumstances, give legal status to those who came to this country illegally, and furthermore, my first order of business will be to seal the border by building a 40' wall along it's entire length. "  See?  Simple.

You know who else says he doesn't support amnesty?  Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan.  If you don't support amnesty, it's pretty simple to convey that point.  

Walker did not back a pathway to citizenship, as he clearly laid out in his interview with Bannon. At the time, he was presented with a purely hypothetical situation.

What does that even mean?  Either you reject amnesty or you don't.  Hypothetically or not, if you mean it, you can convey that.   This just isn't that hard. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (6TB1Z)

270 The best thing anyone right of center can do is declare themselves as not participating in the US electoral system. Roughly half the country announcing the system as illegitimate would do more than continually voting for guys who can't wait to stab you in the back at every opportunity. Even if you believe in the idea of representative government, there is no way to win because your so-called representatives want to replace you.

Posted by: Golem_master at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (i6/+j)

271 OT -- MSDNC has fired the person responsible for that tweet; no name was given at the drudge provided link.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (cHZB7)

272 If you notice, the buzz is that the Dems don't see a hope of taking the House this year and are putting all their money on keeping the Senate.

The fix is in. This is the deal. The Senate stays about the same so the Dems have control in return they slack off on the House elections so's the GOP can claim a victory.

This is why they don't care about what we think about amnesty; the FIX IS IN.

They'll be going through the motions just in case of a double cross but basically the GOP stays the minority in the Senate and the GOP has the House. But that's okay with the Dems because they know they can roll right over the GOP anytime they feel like it and the GOP is okay with the Dems in the Senate cause they can blame their leftward lurches on them and other such excuses.

Too bad. I may even vote Democrat just to screw up their little deal.

Sadly, it's the only way someone like me can influence what's going on.

It's like a little kid who does bad stuff to get mommy's attention because that's the only time she pays attention to them.

Waaahhh. Fuck You Republicans.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (LSDdO)

273 And when we get Republican Presidents and majorities what do they do for the small government agenda?

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 12:57 PM (zqvg6)

274 Hold my beer, and watch this!

Posted by: Johnny "Redneck" Boehner at January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (yn6XZ)

275

I'm now taking bets on whether our near-future will look more like the 1850s or the late 1810s.

 

My money's on the latter - El PRL is looking to merge with the Rats just like the Federalists did.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (o44nj)

276 Why, pray tell, can we not immediately begin allowing a corresponding number of blondes and redheads into the country?

Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 05:39 PM (Bps3R)




FIFY, by removing the threat of the Scandi snow-wop iceback scourge...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (yh0zB)

277 GoP can't even claim 2% of the Chicano vote, much less non-English speaking new arrivals from the hinterlands of S America.

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:56 PM (fGPLK)

Have you ever seen mexican TV?

1 girl + tights + camel toe + fat mexican guy who thinks he's funny + laugh track.

Your IQ will drop 0.5/minute so don't watch too long.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (x3YFz)

278 Leftists winning the Russian Civil War certainly ended very well for those who didn't feel like supporting the Conservative factions.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 12:59 PM (4YooD)

279 Money. It's always the money. Here's my confusion about that. If all they care about is money, how come lefties can't be bought to support rightie causes? Why aren't all Republicans wholly subsidiaries of the Tides foundation?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 12:59 PM (IoTdl)

280 Called Richard Burr's office (Senate-NC). Told the staffer I will unregister.  Guy went ballistic.

Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 12:59 PM (aUQgu)

281 Our ruling class wants more cheap lawn boys, door men, cab drivers and wait staff cause they are not making much and have big expenses. Ask My name sake!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 12:59 PM (uUXp6)

282 If Ruling Class Dems lived and worked in rural areas that voted 80% Republicans, the Dems would have a similar huge disconnect between their voters and their Ruling Class. The refrain, "It's not over until we win," can be heard echoing in those pockets.

Posted by: Not theoretical at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (R6JT1)

283 I'll need to know your definition of amnesty before I could answer your question. At aos,it seems to be anything less than the immediate deportation of the 15 to 25 million illegals. Amensty. You let us deport you & we don't lock you up for the next 20 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (FGsJM)

284 There are three parties already. The conservatives politicians need to leave the GOP and announce a new party aimed at lessening Federal power. There's no point to pretending anymore.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (qNzkX)

285 **Unfortunately, as a student of history and a bookworm, I acknowledge that 1) you're right and 2) You're so right it's scary.** I get that a lot. That dumb Tocqueville was wrong. Democracy ends when, aided with modern transportation technology, an out of touch liberal party (aided, I bet, by USSR useful idiots) decides, "hey, we can import enough new people to displace the native population to instill all sorts of preferable progressive laws" This is why many states are now hard blue, the FOB crowd is solid blue on many issues that Americans disagreed with pre-1986 amnesty.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (QxSug)

286 271 Hold my beer, and watch this!

Posted by: Johnny "Redneck" Boehner at January 30, 2014 05:58 PM (yn6XZ)

There's some places where redneck is a compliment. 

Boner hasn't earned that patch.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (x3YFz)

287 In your link, he claims he was taken out of context. So clarify it. "I will never, under any circumstances, give legal status to those who came to this country illegally, and furthermore, my first order of business will be to seal the border by building a 40' wall along it's entire length. " See? Simple.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (6TB1Z)
=========================




But pep, why would he say that?  He's not running for President.  He's running for Governor of the state of Wisconsin.


Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (P6QsQ)

288 The Rove wing argues that Repubs should pass Amnesty as soon as possible, because every year we delay the hispanic voters hatred of Repubs will just harden even more. The Rove wing argument is that the legal # of hispanics is so large already and growing so fast that Amnesty is inevitable. Either Repubs do it now or Dems do it 10 years from now when the hispanic vote grows large enough to force Amnesty. The Rove wing argument is you rip the bandaid off as quickly as possible to just get it over with as soon as possible.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (ZPrif)

289 On the other hand, there weren't any Hispanics in the Soviet Union, so it was no doubt a good place to live.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:00 PM (4YooD)

290 For whatever good it will do, I'm letting my state and local elected Repubs know that when I stay home on all future election days it hurts them, too. Not just my douchebag congressman.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (29vnO)

291 I believe I read the same dreck out of a Knights Templar cartel manifesto.  It was better in the original Spanish.

Posted by: Fritz at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (UzPAd)

292 >>Even if you believe in the idea of representative government, there is no way to win because your so-called representatives want to replace you.


This.

Posted by: kartoffel at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (07vvi)

293 As Annie C. pointed out, immediate harsh deportations don't poll badly at all. But the GOP has bought into the Vichy Party fan fiction that anything but a path to citizenship will drive moderates from the GOP. Sort of like they believe DNC lies about 1996 shutdown and other things...

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (QxSug)

294 The good thing here is that at least they are not going to conference on the Senate giveaway and if they can drag this thing out and never go to conference maybe it will be stalled until the Tea Party Alamo defenders arrive.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 01:01 PM (uUXp6)

295 GoP can't even claim 2% of the Chicano vote, much less non-English speaking new arrivals from the hinterlands of S America.

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:56 PM (fGPLK)

 

 

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....or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or  Syria.........

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:02 PM (5PeyL)

296 But pep, why would he say that? He's not running for President. He's running for Governor of the state of Wisconsin. Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (P6QsQ) ******* That's my thinking also.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:02 PM (RJMhd)

297 GOP wants to make the legal, but not citizens. That way the Dems will be able to claim Repubs hate Mexicans for decades more and are just trying to prevent them from voting.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:02 PM (ZPrif)

298 I'm done being a member of the Republican Party, they're unworthy of the name.  They refuse to represent their constituents, which is the sole function of representatives in a Republic.  All they're doing is proving that they're Democrats who weren't good enough at politics to be elected as Democrats.

Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (i+Vw2)

299
Bonus - no obamacare expense for the new amnestias for employers.

You?  you're out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (n0DEs)

300 274

Yeah, I know. Lifelong resident of California. I think that sums it up.

Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (fGPLK)

301
Too bad. I may even vote Democrat just to screw up their little deal.

Sadly, it's the only way someone like me can influence what's going on.

It's like a little kid who does bad stuff to get mommy's attention because that's the only time she pays attention to them.

Waaahhh. Fuck You Republicans.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (LSDdO)


I called my congressman's local office this morning and told the staffer there that if he wants my vote, he better not vote for any agreement concerning immigration anything in the house. I told them I will actively pound the pavement for the democrat in this district come this november.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (buZ/8)

302 You need to get The Money and The Power together first before you get me.

Posted by: The Women at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (M+t3U)

303 270 And when we get Republican Presidents and majorities what do they do for the small government agenda? Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (zqvg6) Richard Nixon.... EPA. Reagan... Dept of Education (voted in under Carter, started on his watch). Bush Jr... Dept of Homeland Security.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (84gbM)

304 But pep, why would he say that? He's not running for President. He's running for Governor of the state of Wisconsin.

Reasonable questions.
1)  He was asked his opinion on this topic in the interview.
2)  Do you really think he isn't running for President in '16?  His response then may have been careless, but his followup wasn't.  He's doing damage control. 

I'll bet you some form of public humiliation that he is running.  Not that I want to see you humiliated because you seem nice, but still. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (6TB1Z)

305
This is why many states are now hard blue, the FOB crowd is solid blue on many issues that Americans disagreed with pre-1986 amnesty.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (QxSug)

And the solution to the problem is... well, to put it bluntly, global warfare.  I try to think tactically and strategically, but strategically, this war... well, not to pour hot sauce on peoples' pancakes, but this shit is nearly irrecoverable.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (x3YFz)

306 >>So you think this is just another example of Boehner's procedural genius? I don't think he's a genius. I also don't think he's an idiot. I think he's a pretty skilled politician, you don't get to be Speaker by pulling it out of a box of Kaboom. Tell me all the things Obama has gotten since Boehner has taken over as Speaker. Republicans have been getting hurt on this issue for years. The usual argument is that Republicans have no plan and hate Latinos because they are racist bigots. If you think that Dems weren't going to bring this issue up this cycle when they have absolutely nothing else to run on and guys like Rubio shit the bed and went along with the donks in the Senate giving them an actual bill, I think you are mistaken. So they come out with a bunch of principles, no bill just principles, which call for border security first that must be certified by an independent group to be named, a position liberals will not accept, and no path to citizenship, a position liberals will definitely not accept, and claim they have a plan. They can pass a plan in the House that will get as much traction in the Senate as the 40 times they passed a bill to repeal Obamacare, but they will be able to take the claim from the liberals that they don't have a plan off the table. Hell, even if the liberals agreed to this I wouldn't freak out that much. The illegals who are already here have jobs already. They are getting paid under the table and they don't pay taxes. Making them illegal without giving them any of the benefits of citizenship, no voting, no benefits, etc., isn't all that bad. A hell of lot better than what we currently have. And maybe we will finally get some border security. But I still think its going absolutely nowhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (g1DWB)

307 The good thing here is that at least they are not going to conference on the Senate giveaway and if they can drag this thing out and never go to conference maybe it will be stalled until the Tea Party Alamo defenders arrive. ******** any bill passed by House GOP will magically morph into Senate Bill. and Senate bill is classic LaRaza POS. including DWI protections for illegals because machismo demands you show you can hold your booze and the whieel. Passport Fraud exemptions. And probably a bunch of other shit we'll never know about until we wake up and the new national language is spanish.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:03 PM (QxSug)

308 Moar OT -- Yahoo email passwords have been stolen. Also on Drudge. No word yet on exactly how many accounts are compromised.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (cHZB7)

309 Life requires "hard choices." Those who cannot make those "hard choices" lose. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (4YooD)

310 8 So its official now. The Democrats with an R after their name have decided amnesty is the hill to die on. Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (T2V/1) Come November I plan to help them out with that outcome as well. To hell with them. I'll vote for Governor (Walker may be as iffy on immigration but he can't do a damn thing about in Madison) and just ignore everyone trying to go to Washington.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (Lqb+9)

311 ♪ I never knew I never knew that everything was falling through That everyone I knew was waiting on a queue To turn and run when all I needed was the truth But that's how it's got to be It's coming down to nothing more than apathy I'd rather run the other way than stay and see The smoke and who's still standing when it clears Everyone knows I'm in Over my head Over my head ♪

Posted by: Juan Boner [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (oGrEy)

312 This is not going anywhere. Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 05:38 PM (g1DWB)

I keep hoping this is some sort of kabuki smoke and mirrors thing cooked up to show the GOP has a plan and cares, but they will make sure it goes nowhere. Bring it up now so that this fall it can get shelved as "oh we covered that," then let the employee mandate, or O-care enrollees soon to get letters saying they applied wrong so their coverage is dropped, take front page. But that is wishful thinking on my part, as it assumes facts not in evidence: that the GOP is actually smart.

Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (BF+2f)

313 Only explanation for turncoat House is money.
Lots and lots of money.  That's what they ran for; now they've got it.  Lots and lots forever and ever.

Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (aUQgu)

314 Also I think I'll let the Chamber of Commerce know that I'm starting to warm to the idea of confiscatory business and wealth taxes.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 30, 2014 01:04 PM (29vnO)

315 283 There's some places where redneck is a compliment.
Boner hasn't earned that patch.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (x3YFz)

Besides, he is an orangeneck.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2014 01:05 PM (F75MN)

316 It's funny how the GOP talks about the inevitability of demographics shift while ignoring the inevitability of our fiscal collapse. Why not rip off that bandaid? The only immigrants two decades from now will be conquerors.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:05 PM (qNzkX)

317 302
This is why many states are now hard blue, the
FOB crowd is solid blue on many issues that Americans disagreed with
pre-1986 amnesty.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan
Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (QxSug)


And the solution to the problem is... well, to put it bluntly, global warfare. I try to think tactically and strategically, but strategically, this war... well, not to pour hot sauce on peoples' pancakes, but this shit is nearly irrecoverable.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (x3YFz)

BUT... having said that.

We weren't put here to quit or give up or capitulate.

We fight.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:05 PM (x3YFz)

318 It's not that Rich Repubs want ever cheaper gardeners. They are rich. It's really a class difference. Upper Class, Ruling Class types (both Repub and Dem) favor Amnesty because they believe it is immoral and kinda racist to oppose it. It's mostly Culture, not Money, that is driving this. Some of the Repubs that want cheap labor for chicken farms are doing this more for Money issues. But most Repubs aren't supporting for cheap chicken labor reasons. It's Cultural.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

319 @268 - My guess is that you had someone high in General Mills on the horn to the top ad-sales poobah: "You got a phone, right? What kind?" "Oh, it's an iPhone " "Good. I want video of bodies falling from windows. I want to hear the splat. And if I don't you're about to lose our entire ad spend across all your properties."

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:06 PM (o+SC1)

320

The best thing anyone right of center can do is declare themselves as not participating in the US electoral system. Roughly half the country announcing the system as illegitimate would do more than continually voting for guys who can't wait to stab you in the back at every opportunity. Even if you believe in the idea of representative government, there is no way to win because your so-called representatives want to replace you.

 

Posted by: Golem_master at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (i6/+j)

 

Who's going to come in and enforce a regime change on said illegitimate system?  The rest of the "civilized" world is cheering on the Communists and the Rat78s/Partido Republicano Legado in their war against us, and the Islamokazis, while supportive of "regime change", only will support a change to a subservient client Caliphate state.

 

We're on our own, and the last of a dying breed.  Either we fight and probably die now or lie back and surely die.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:06 PM (o44nj)

321 And the solution to the problem is... well, to put it bluntly, global warfare. I try to think tactically and strategically, but strategically, this war... well, not to pour hot sauce on peoples' pancakes, but this shit is nearly irrecoverable. ******* well, I am not going to touch that. But I will touch that this way. Most Mestizos here don't participate in US life that much, that's why it feels like you're in a foreign country when you're in their part of town. In Europe, the Balkan option is an option because the fucking moooslemens are so violent and they demand obedience. But Europe's a bunch of pansies, so you have no-go zones in Paris where cars are burned, clits are cliterized, etc.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:06 PM (QxSug)

322 We weren't put here to quit or give up or capitulate. We fight. Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:05 PM (x3YFz) I first read that as "give-up or copulate" I think it's time for a drink

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 01:06 PM (yz6yg)

323
  Posted by: Johnny "RedneckOrangeneck" Boehner at January 30, 2014 05:58 PM (yn6XZ) 


FIFY

Posted by: Charlie Crist at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (Pr6hk)

324 now I can fully appreciate why the base stayed home in '08 and '12.

THE BASE DID NOT STAY HOME!

Apparently they want to try it and see how that works for them though.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (DL2i+)

325 I will never vote for a Democrat ever unless the definition of a Democrat changes. Never. Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 05:40 PM ..................Same here. But I won't be voting R anytime soon unless they are actually conservative on the big issues. I will vote third party or write in. Don't care. my vote needs to be earned and I have swallowed their bullshit too long in hopes they would someday get the message. Apparently forgetting about a massive chunk of us and trotting out the Juan McRomneys of the world and getting their ass kicked wasn't enough.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (/o+xv)

326 IDK if the base stayed home, I will say the GOTV sucked balls.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (QxSug)

327 the Dems will be able to claim Repubs hate Mexicans for decades more and are just trying to prevent them from voting.

While registering them to vote.  Almost no one checks to see if you lied when you checked the "citizen" box (because that would be racist), and when Iowa's SecState found foreign nationals on the rolls, he was sued by a Dem group and legally prohibited from removing them.

Posted by: MSNBC at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (ZKzrr)

328 We're on our own, and the last of a dying breed. Either we fight and probably die now or lie back and surely die.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:06 PM (o44nj)

We all die eventually.  I will not cede my integrity, and I don't fear anything.

non timebo mala

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:08 PM (x3YFz)

329 Off, asshole sock.

Posted by: HR at January 30, 2014 01:09 PM (ZKzrr)

330 @MonicaCrowley: Duh RT Cornyn: Not 'Advantageous' to Shift from Obamacare to 'Divisive' Amnesty Push http://t.co/iovI9QVnM7

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:09 PM (DmNpO)

331 Rove bites

Posted by: Def Leppard at January 30, 2014 01:09 PM (e0nsQ)

332 Incidentally, have you ever heard of a bigger govt scam than 'job training'? Since when is it govt's role to get in the business of experience? One aquires experience in the workplace by, you know, working. From the bottom up. For ages, the process has worked thusly: School provides the theory. Work provides the practice of application. Govt doesn't need to stick its beak in the process at all. Besides, these job training programs are a joke! Howie Carr explained the scam perfectly: The jobs training program only helps those administering the program! That's the scam.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:09 PM (g7osp)

333 We all die eventually. I will not cede my integrity, and I don't fear anything. non timebo mala Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:08 PM (x3YFz) A man that fears nothing, loves nothing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:09 PM (GEICT)

334 It's stuff like this that makes me feel embarrassed to have ever identified myself as a Republican. THIS is what animates them? This!?!

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at January 30, 2014 01:10 PM (Z7toi)

335 The Rove wing argument is you rip the bandaid off as quickly as possible to just get it over with as soon as possible. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (ZPrif) Yeah... remove that bandaid! With a CHAINSAW!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:10 PM (84gbM)

336 I first read that as "give-up or copulate"

I think it's time for a drink

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2014 06:06 PM (yz6yg)

Raises an interesting question... lol

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:10 PM (x3YFz)

337 And when it blows up in there faces and they lose seats, they'll still claim they were in the right and the TEA party screwed everything up and it's all their fault that Obama will have majorities in both Houses.

But by then it won't matter.

I foresee people acting on their convictions and moving out of their states or hunkering down while the progressives go on a law making binge that overloads the capacity of the organs that are vested with the responsibility of enforcement.

It's like with the NSA if they're listening to everybody, they can't pin down anybody.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 01:10 PM (LSDdO)

338 Do you believe in life after Rove?

Posted by: Cher at January 30, 2014 01:10 PM (e0nsQ)

339 @315 - no, it's the ag-worker lobby combined with the GOP fantasy that they'll pull enough support from the tech and financial-services moneybags if they give them H1Bs.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:11 PM (o+SC1)

340 A man that fears nothing, loves nothing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:09 PM (GEICT)

so wrong.  so so wrong.

I fear nothing because of love. 

silly.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:11 PM (x3YFz)

341 Roughly half the country announcing the system as illegitimate would do

Not a damn thing.

Posted by: HR at January 30, 2014 01:11 PM (ZKzrr)

342 Do you really think he isn't running for President in '16? His response then may have been careless, but his followup wasn't. He's doing damage control.

I'll bet you some form of public humiliation that he is running. Not that I want to see you humiliated because you seem nice, but still.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (6TB1Z) ========================


I think he's probably exploring the idea, yes.  The thing that made me think that is the autobiography he has recently published, titled "Unintimidated".

I love him as my governor.  I'm not sure he'd make a great presidential candidate.  He's a good, solid, pleasant business manager mostly.  I'd like to keep him here at the State level if we could, because I think he'd have a tough time in an aggressive campaign. He is Midwestern nice.


It's lovely that you think I am nice too.  See  -  I CAN fool some of the people most of the time! 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:11 PM (P6QsQ)

343 Ace, any good conservative candidates in other parties we should vote for?  What about the Libertarians?

Posted by: Draki at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (L8r/r)

344 That list of Principals is a list of Future Legislative Concessions.

Posted by: cynicus maximus at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (H+j7N)

345 "Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5) "" That's probably the most best method to destroy socialism in America. Instead of being patriotic, repressed, and dirt poor, like Cuba.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (5xmd7)

346 334 And when it blows up in there faces and they lose seats, they'll still claim they were in the right and the TEA party screwed everything up and it's all their fault that Obama will have majorities in both Houses. There will be some minor goofball Republican who says something dumb. He will be the 'reason' we lost.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (qNzkX)

347 Turning on Levin. Today might be the day he says 'fuck' on the air.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (8FyP4)

348 Making them illegal without giving them any of the benefits of citizenship, no voting, no benefits, etc., isn't all that bad. A hell of lot better than what we currently have. And maybe we will finally get some border security.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (g1DWB)


Yeah tell that to the first judge who sees this bill that crosses his/her desk. Any legalization without citizenship or benefits will not fly and will be struck down two seconds after Obama's ink is dry.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:12 PM (buZ/8)

349 Here's my confusion about that. If all they care about is money, how come lefties can't be bought to support rightie causes?

Why aren't all Republicans wholly subsidiaries of the Tides foundation?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:59 PM (IoTdl)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

What makes you think that many repubs haven't bought into the Tides Foundation?  It looks  like  some of them have, especially the leadership.  Just because we haven't  heard anything about it doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

I have a very strong feeling that what we know as public information about the goings-on in this congress is just the very tip of a very large iceberg.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:13 PM (5PeyL)

350 335 Do you believe in life after Rove?

Posted by: Cher at January 30, 2014 06:10 PM (e0nsQ)

you mean the "architect?"  who hasn't gotten shit right in 14 years?  uh... yeah.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:13 PM (x3YFz)

351 Yep its about the money. The crony capitalists are getting real good at buyin goodies from uncle sugar who steals it from those of us left working. I about to become an Occupooper, fed pumps trillions in monopoly money to prop up Goldman Sachs and friends and the Crony Capitalists Chamber of Commerce line up for cheap labor while the lyin kINg rabble rouses about increasing labor costs. Tea Party Take down of DC is in order!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 01:13 PM (uUXp6)

352
drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action".

all the signals are there, the gop wants no part in a resurgence of conservatism.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 01:13 PM (n0DEs)

353 I think the question here is how conservatives can win the culture war. As this blog has noted many a time, culture is downstream of politics. Then again, maybe Obamacare and the Obamaconomy will be the left's Iraq.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (ZEvg7)

354 Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (A98Xu) Follow the money.

Posted by: Woodward and Bernstein at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (t3sZY)

355 You know what will be awesome to go with amnesty?  Me winning Henry Waxman's seat!!!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (Aif/5)

356 Actually the number of Congressional representatives for each State has been changed many times in part because the Census counts illegals as 'residents'. I believe Louisiana and some other State lost a court case about that a few years ago. The fact that it is wrong to allow illegals the perks of citizenship has no effect on the Ruling class. This is about money, stupidity and the idea that the Federal government is already past the tipping point of tyranny and holds itself beholden to no principles or laws or even History. As things continue downhill it will pick up speed. It is already burning.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (wkEVf)

357 344 Turning on Levin. Today might be the day he says 'fuck' on the air.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 06:12 PM (8FyP4)

I love him, but he's about 0.03 cm from ragestroke.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (x3YFz)

358 Save us, Ted Cruz, you're our only hope! ‏@PJMedia_com 1m Cruz: House GOP’s Amnesty Push Threatens the Change to Re-Take the Senate http://bit.ly/1fBq4Yw

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:14 PM (zDsvJ)

359 Article V Convention people. Might as well try since these fuckwads in DC have no balls, convictions, and hate people outside the beltway.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:15 PM (buZ/8)

360 drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action". The GOP doesn't care about the IRS scandal. That should tell us everything we need to know.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:15 PM (qNzkX)

361 I tend to discount people who think that Paul Ryan is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and made me watch while Joe Biden gave him pants lowered noogies all night long. Then make me want to believe the next WI miracle will be any different.

Posted by: Juan Doe [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:15 PM (oGrEy)

362 Is there a good Monarchist party out there? Is there room for a religion whose supreme being is a heavenly rock that will, we pray, eventually flatten heathen DC and free us from servitude? I'm trying to think of how we can fix the present government, and frankly I think SMOD is the only answer.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:16 PM (o+SC1)

363 @329.  Most government programs only help those administering the program.  That's just the way the Left operates, its' all about the crony running the job, not whether the job is useful.

Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 01:16 PM (i+Vw2)

364 Damn the GOP.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 30, 2014 01:16 PM (ZMzpb)

365 356 Article V Convention people. Might as well try since these fuckwads in DC have no balls, convictions, and hate people outside the beltway. 1) Article V 2) Dismantle the Union at the convention. I say this as someone in a blue state. If any shred of America is to survive, it's time for a divorce.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:16 PM (qNzkX)

366 349
drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action".

all the signals are there, the gop wants no part in a resurgence of conservatism.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 06:13 PM (n0DEs)

(looks at calendar)

November.

There's going to be a reckoning.

And if any of you idiots that work for congresscritters are perusing this site?  (you are, I know this).

Update your resume by August.  just a pro-tip.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:17 PM (x3YFz)

367 get someone in there who just might break our way on the major issues. It's how it has to work.

Except for that whole theory vs. practice thing.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:17 PM (DL2i+)

368 We could start a new movement that could get a million people on the mall, clear the way for a conservative majority in our legislature and build fear in the opposition. Then we could watch as it is torn apart by the media, innocent folks are railroaded by the IRS and the cultural and government elites mock them mercilessly. Then we could be right back where we are now.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 30, 2014 01:17 PM (l3vZN)

369 Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


The Republicans have already split from us.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 30, 2014 01:18 PM (ZMzpb)

370

Several big corporate donors including AT&T sent a letter to Congress demanding, among other things, that illegals be made legal.

I can't find that letter anywhere on Google or Bing.

Anybody possibly have a link?

Thanks!

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 01:18 PM (5ikDv)

371 If there's any silver lining, this is a great opportunity for a guy like Senator Cruz to lead any opposition. Calling out these fuckers for who they are will be quite popular.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:18 PM (8FyP4)

372 The GOP doesn't care about the IRS scandal. That should tell us everything we need to know. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 06:15 PM (qNzkX) Great point. Nothing I can add to that.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (ZEvg7)

373 so wrong. so so wrong. I fear nothing because of love. silly. Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:11 PM (x3YFz) Disagree. If you love something, truly love it, then you will fear losing it. Those that truly have no fear whatsoever, well, that's a mental disorder. We all have something that we fear losing. Loving something to the point of being willing to die for it, in defense of it, doesn't remove the fear of losing it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (GEICT)

374 Just got here. JJ said it @13. Hammer. Nail. Gonna back up a ways and read.

Posted by: teej at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (xDlyw)

375 I'm Allah's "Twitter buddy"? OK. Works for me. At least he linked my tweet.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (T0NGe)

376 294 GOP wants to make the legal, but not citizens.
That way the Dems will be able to claim Repubs hate Mexicans for decades more and are just trying to prevent them from voting. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 06:02 PM (ZPrif)

How do you say "separate but not equal" in Espanol? I see that going up on a sea of signs.

Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 01:19 PM (BF+2f)

377 Hey, someone start one of those White House petitions.  "Create a public referendum to abolish the United States Government immediately, to be voted on during every Presidential and Congressional election, and to be acted upon in any event of majority."  Just making them comment on the subject would be awesome.  Do they fear the wrath of the people? 

Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 01:20 PM (i+Vw2)

378 Here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/11/ corporate-execs-responsible-for-thousands-of-layoffs- send-letter-to-congress-calling-for-immigration-reform/

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:20 PM (zDsvJ)

379 What the IRS did and continues to do to dissenters will have a chilling effect on any third party formation. We've seen that in miniature with the Tea Party.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:20 PM (P6QsQ)

380 The GOP doesn't care about the IRS scandal. That should tell us everything we need to know. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 06:15 PM ......They love it because to the establishment cockholsters the Tea Party is viewed like Ace views Scandi's. A nuisance. I would and will support TP candidates when I can. The GOP can eat a bag of dicks.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (/o+xv)

381 From that link: The officials represent companies with a vast array of business interests: General Electric, The Walt Disney Company, Marriott International, Hilton Worldwide, Hyatt Hotels Corporation, McDonald’s Corporation, The Wendy’s Company, Coca-Cola, The Cheesecake Factory, Johnson & Johnson, Verizon Communications, Hewlett-Packard, General Mills, and many more. All want to see increases in immigration levels for low-skill as well as high-skill workers, in addition to a path to citizenship for the millions of immigrants currently in the U.S. illegally… In addition, at the same time the corporate officers seek higher numbers of immigrants, both low-skill and high-skill, many of their companies are laying off thousands of workers.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (zDsvJ)

382 Yep, Dems will just campaign against Repubs forcing Mex-Americans to become 2nd class citizens. The moment Repubs legalizing the illegals, the Left will start the campaign to make the citizens. It's only fair, after all.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (ZPrif)

383
Those that truly have no fear whatsoever, well, that's a mental disorder. We all have something that we fear losing.

Loving something to the point of being willing to die for it, in defense of it, doesn't remove the fear of losing it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:19 PM (GEICT)

I'm going to let this one go because it's evident you have exactly no fucking idea what you're talking about.

I like your posts here and think you're a good guy.  We're obviously not going to agree on this because we come at it 180 degrees apart.

I will say that for you to assume I haven't suffered loss and therefore act in a manner (which you call "fear," I don't) to protect my sphere is inaccurate.

But you don't know me, and I don't know you, so let's just leave it there.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (x3YFz)

384 drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action". The GOP doesn't care about the IRS scandal. That should tell us everything we need to know. National divorce.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (6S6me)

385 >>GOP wants to make the legal, but not citizens. >>That way the Dems will be able to claim Repubs hate Mexicans for decades more and are just trying to prevent them from voting. Thats not really true. They can still become citizens, they just have to get in line like everyone else. No special path.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (g1DWB)

386 First they came for the Jews, and I said nothing. Then they came for the Tea Party, and I cheered them on because fuck white Christians.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (ZEvg7)

387 Ynot , thanks! I found it.

I was thinking Congress but it was to the President. Here is the preamble for your reading and dry heaving pleasure...

http://tinyurl.com/kzyscbz


January 15, 2014   The President The White House Washington, DC 20500   Dear Mr. President:   America’s business leaders believe that there is no greater domestic priority for Congress and the Administration than getting our economy growing faster. Business Roundtable would like to share with you our 2014 growth agenda “Invested in America.” If we want to control the deficit, preserve key entitlement programs, educate our children, grow jobs, and offer upward economic mobility for everyone, we have to return the U.S. economy to its full growth potential.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (5ikDv)

388 378 Gee, why would these corporations want such a thing?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (8FyP4)

389 Seems like a flimsy attempt at PR with Hispanic voters more than anything. There's no mad push for immigration "reform" outside the Left and the corporate agribusiness lobby. The backlash from the base could truly split the Republican Party beyond repair and lead to a genuine 3rd Party with clout. I can't see even leadership as weak as Boehner's not grasping the risk vs reward equation.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (dvRYt)

390 Obamacare is imploding, and the GOP has been hitting the Dems on it.  Now, with this immigration bullshit, they are (once again) looking to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Fuck them.  I'm done.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (oA2WS)

391 Good joke there, Jackstraw. Yep, no special path. No sir. Ha.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

392 In addition, at the same time the corporate officers seek higher numbers of immigrants, both low-skill and high-skill, many of their companies are laying off thousands of workers. =================== Okay someone please explain this to me.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (P6QsQ)

393 Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:22 PM (x3YFz) I know exactly what I'm talking about and it has not a fucking thing to do with you personally. But if you want to walk back and keep it civil, fine.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (GEICT)

394 Sic Semper Tyrannis.  Sucks when it's your own party.

Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (aUQgu)

395 CATHY MCMORRIS-ROGERS IS A LOSER.

A FILTHY WHORE AS WELL.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (Cs2tJ)

396 The Cheesecake Factory Those bastards. Better ramp up my acting career.

Posted by: Penny [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (oGrEy)

397 Thats not really true. They can still become citizens, they just have to get in line like everyone else. No special path.

Come on, Jack, you don't really believe that crap, do you? 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (6TB1Z)

398 You know what will be awesome to go with amnesty? Me winning Henry Waxman's seat!!!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 30, 2014 06:14 PM (Aif/5)

 

I thought this was a joke...but it's not. Per BB, she's likely to run for his seat.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (cHZB7)

399 From the Blueprint For Betrayal: "One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents."

The _mistakes_ of their parents?

As though one day the father suddenly leaps up and slaps his forehead Homer Simpson style and shouts,

"D'oh! I screwed up! Kids, I actually meant to sneak into Argentina illegally but instead by mistake I snuck into America! It's all because of those darned 'A' letters. So confusing!"

Let's be clear. These parents didn't make mistakes. They committed a crime. Knowingly and actively so.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (gqT4g)

400 >>Good joke there, Jackstraw. Yep, no special path. No sir. Ha. If you see one, please show me. And no, just saying I know it will happen is not a fact.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (g1DWB)

401 Still not sure if jackstraw is joking or not. Honestly confused.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (ZPrif)

402 Ace, They're not losers, per se, they're simply democrats who pretend to be an opposition party -- all for the sake of denying an ACTUAL opposition party of gaining any foothold. Yeah, I've been done with the GOP since 2010.

Posted by: elaine at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (GNZ0/)

403 379 Yep, Dems will just campaign against Repubs forcing Mex-Americans to become 2nd class citizens. The moment Repubs legalizing the illegals, the Left will start the campaign to make the citizens. It's only fair, after all. Posted by: Flatbush Joe Hillary will campaign on it. First day in office she will sign an EO.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (EGq3p)

404 Amnesty, for this election  cycle,  was dead in the water until Boehner decided to make this a big deal.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (5PeyL)

405 It does seem sadly clear that the GOP does not care about the various illegal ways the DNC is harassing the GOP's base and their donors. Scary shit, yo. I can only reemphasize that we need to take the Senate in 2014 to have any hope of forcing the issue. In 2016, if we win (that is, if our new Vichy rulers haven't introduced enough new 3rd world FOB voters to overcome us), comes the time to fire almost everyone in the federal government who was complicit. Hey, the defenders of high federal wages say that the avg federal worker is foregoing a high private sector salary, sacrificing himself for our sake. Well, your sacrifice is no longer needed.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (QxSug)

406 I am confused how corporations are squaring the circle of "make illegals legal so we have more workers" with at the same time laying off skilled workers and oh by the way moving jobs overseas too. This illegals legal charade has somehow gotten wrapped up in their thinking about more H1 visas. But, the illegals who will be made legal aren't the ones who need those visas, they are the low skill workers. I don't know, I just do not get this immigration push right now at all.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (RZ8pf)

407 Legalization is amnesty. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an complete idiot. Does anybody think that the left won't use it as a bludgeon against everyone opposing them? Does anybody think that they won't get federal judges (might as well be kings with the massive power they now have) to pick and choose and rewrite any law that the idiots in congress pass? AND who the hell thinks that Obama won't just modify the law to whatever he sees fit?

Again, anybody who presents this legalization bullshit as a viable option to sate the insanity coming from the GOP needs to go get their mental status checked.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (buZ/8)

408 @394 - and if she'll let me put a certain sort of power tool in said seat I might even contribute to her campaign. It'd make for some great CSPAN.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (o+SC1)

409 Cruz: House GOP’s Amnesty Push Threatens the Change to Re-Take the Senate http://bit.ly/1fBq4Yw Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 06:14 PM (zDsvJ) Fifteen Democrat-held seats. Fifteen at least conceivably up for grabs. Now this? Immigration is the perfect epi-pen for a GOP allergic to success.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (eie1R)

410 I think Karl Rove's playing bass on his one: http://tinyurl.com/at7p8cx

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (GeVLX)

411 WHEN WILL ACE CALL FOR A BOYCOTT OF FOX NEWS CHANNEL?


Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (Cs2tJ)

412 I like how Jackstraw's argument is to ... copy and paste phrases from the press release. Of course there won't be any special paths, it says so right there in the press release! Duh! And we don't get to count the Amnesty and legalization as a special path. Genius!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif)

413 >>Come on, Jack, you don't really believe that crap, do you? Yep, I do. Course I also believed that letting Obamacare play out was a much better strategy than shutting down the government over an issue we could never win was a better strategy too. How did that work out?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (g1DWB)

414 Okay someone please explain this to me. Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 06:24 PM (P6QsQ) Immigrants are lower-cost, and you can get rid of them like a pair of old socks before they start to accumulate expensive raises and benefits. I've read this happens with Silicon Valley a lot, with their high-skill jobs. They bring programmers from India on visas for a few years, use their skills until they become obsolete, and then send them back without any new training. Burnout work.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (ZEvg7)

415 "He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."

- John 12:25 -

There are similar sayings in Zen Buddhism/Bushido

To act rightly one must not focus on what will be lost or gained but focus on the moment and making the right moves for the conditions and actions of others.

The correct move now is if the GOP endorses/enacts an amnesty bill and that bill passes and is signed into law then they must be removed for they have failed in their duty to those who believed their promises and claims.

They will have forced this fight to be fought during a General Election because they will not reveal what they plan on doing until after the Primaries.

They have set the stage. They are trying to force those of us who have claimed principles to now make a much starker choice than in a primary. We will now have to face the fact that to show our resolve we will have to at least temporarily surrender gov't to the Democrats.

Remember THEY HAVE MADE THIS FIGHT WHAT IT IS.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (LSDdO)

416 If you see one, please show me. And no, just saying I know it will happen is not a fact.

The history of the last 50 years is that once you start down this path, judges and the Dems will ensure that whatever they think is to their advantage, happens, the law and the will of the people be damned.  Why on earth would you trust them on something that will give them an electoral lock for the next century, and allow them to permanently alter this country, and not for the better?

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (6TB1Z)

417 Still not sure if jackstraw is joking or not. Honestly confused. Picture JackStraw as Lucy, football in hand. You're gonna kick the ball. He's gonna say, 'Oops' as your vertebrae crumples.

Posted by: Lucy - The Doctor is In 5 Cents [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (oGrEy)

418 A man that fears nothing, loves nothing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:09 PM (GEICT)




Or maybe has nothing left to lose?



Either way, this is not me. I fear for a lot of things, either because there are things I love or there are things I have left to lose.



The problem is that I don't see much that I can do about it.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (yh0zB)

419 stop amnesty and knee-jerk assumption that we are being screwed, but at least this gem is there: "we will not go to a conference with the Senate’s immigration bill." Pure and unadulterated bullshit. All it would need is for twenty or so RINOs to team up with the Donks in the House and it's Katie bar the door. OCare II all over again! There are no guarantees in this festering pile of dung and the party that came up with it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (HsTG8)

420 Fast forward two years: Why are we treating these Hispanic people like we did the blacks 150 years ago? Are they 3/5ths of a man? Are they not as hard working as the rest of us? Don't they deserve to be citizens like so many of our ancestors who came here long ago? Yada, yada, yada... Texas is about 58/42 conservative (I hate to use Republican at this point). This is the kind of shit that could turn this state blue. I guess it's time to get one of those 'Secede' bumper stickers.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (8FyP4)

421 @402 - having more potential workers keeps wages low, whether you're talking lettuce-pickers and chicken-pluckers or landscape architects or DBAs. Frankly, I'd like to see someone offer an amendment that requires the boards of all publicly-held corporations to include at least 40% illegal aliens.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (o+SC1)

422 All the corps listed above have something in common: they can't outsource their cheap labor needs. So the next best thing is to hire peasants who will work for peanuts, which of course will help the US realize its "full economic growth potential." My ass.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (g7osp)

423 So, everyone here will, at the very least, call and/ or email their congress critters and senators, right?

Posted by: Lilredhen at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (u3yX3)

424 Children are punished, or rather suffer the consequences of parents' criminal behavior all the time. If a parent commits a crime and goes to jail, the kids don't get to stay with them in jail. They are separated, perhaps put in foster care. That is a punishment for those kids for behavior over which they had no control. That is one reason as a parent you don't engage in illegal activities. You don't want your kids to suffer for your actions. It's a deterrent. But they want to make it a reward.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (P6QsQ)

425 405 Cruz: House GOP’s Amnesty Push Threatens the Change to Re-Take the Senate http://bit.ly/1fBq4Yw
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 06:14 PM (zDsvJ)

Fifteen Democrat-held seats.
Fifteen at least conceivably up for grabs.
Now this?

Immigration is the perfect epi-pen for a GOP allergic to success.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 06:27 PM (eie1R)


Why don't you adjust for GOP insanity in your next poll thread. I would suggest -4 seats for the senate as a starting point.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (buZ/8)

426 The illegals who are already here have jobs already. They are getting paid under the table and they don't pay taxes. Making them illegal without giving them any of the benefits of citizenship, no voting, no benefits, etc., isn't all that bad I think yu meant, 'making them legal'. Why would they want to be legal, then?

Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (Bps3R)

427

I keep bringing it up but here it is again: In most respects, the current GOP Establishment is in an eerily similar position to that held by Whig Party leadership of 1852. The base of the Whig Party, frustrated with its leadership's go-along and get-along attitude towards the Democrats, as well as the Whig Party's abject refusal to oppose the Democrats over the Fugitive Slave Act, split off and formed the Republican Party. Big political names like Lincoln and Fremont crossed over and joined the new party. Others followed, and the Whigs withered into irrelevance.

 

Yes, the issue was slavery then, the biggest and most divisive issue in our history, but right now, the Republic is being destroyed, supplanted by an increasingly tyrannical socialist superstate. And guess what? The GOP Establishment refuses to fight--hell, they even refuse to avoid internal divisions over immigration reform because they're so eager to please the big money donors so hot for amnesty.

 

A party split would not be unprecedented, but I can't even guess at the outcome. The Magic 8-Ball says COME BACK LATER.

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (O66NZ)

428 Fleeing Robbery Suspect Shoots Self In The Groin -- Immediately files request with court to change name to G.O.P.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (cHZB7)

429 Now might be a good time to start writing in Samuel L. Jackson on all upcoming ballots.  He may never win, but at least I'll be voting for some motherfucking sass.

And that's a good start.

Posted by: Fritz at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (UzPAd)

430 @409 - more to the point, H1Bs are basically indentured servitude - okay, often quite well-paid indentured servitude, but the hire is tied to the employer. There's a pro-forma requirement that the employer try to fill the job with someone already legally here, but that's generally a wink-and-nod process.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (o+SC1)

431 One commenter at TepidAir got it right -- this is all about getting donations from the Cheap Labor Lobby for their Congressional Campaigns this year. THIS is why Stupid is distracting from the disaster that is Obamacare. The grassroots can rebuke these guys by donating to your Tea Parties, National Conservative caucus, Libertarian Party -- anyone but the establishment GOP

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (pginn)

432 There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. And yet, there are a number of Republi-bots on various sites (this one included) that keep on admonishing us that not voting for the Republicans' crap sandwiches is a vote for Democrats, blah blah blah blah. It's tiresome shit.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (itCai)

433 Are they 3/5ths of a man?

I assume you know this, but the 3/5 vote was intended to keep slavery out of new states entering the union.  Libs think is was to keep the black man down.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (oA2WS)

434 It's a one party system now. Voting choices are either communist or socialist. Nothing else.

Can't wait until our currency is completely debased and the powers that be decide we will participate in the New World Order currency, whatever that will be....

/so, I guess those nut jobs on Coast to Coast am were right all along? Also... gold bithez!

Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (25HWz)

435 I have voted in every election since coming of age- even the mostly idiotic local ones. And got me tapped eternally for jury duty- which they claim they don't do, but do. Everyone here knows this.

Nevermore. I'm done with "being a good citizen." I'll watch out for myself, my family of Black Angels, and the Cute Cat Lady- as much as she allows.

Gone Galt- as far as I can.

Posted by: backhoe at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (ULH4o)

436 Yep, I do. Course I also believed that letting Obamacare play out was a much better strategy than shutting down the government over an issue we could never win was a better strategy too.

How did that work out?


And I didn't disagree with you on that, and said so right here.  I wasn't sure, and so was willing to listen to both sides on the shutdown.  I also think the GOP may have come out ahead by having Cruz put that stake in the ground. 

But having established my bona fides as someone who's open-minded and willing to see both sides, there is no other side here.  It's national suicide, and it is complete folly. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

437 It's not just the lower class who'll be getting screwed here. High-tech and engineers are getting boned by the Green Card racquet, too. Pretty much the majority of the tech industry of the entire Left Coast has been colluding on wages and hiring.

There's a multi-billion dollar class action suit developing where Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. coordinated wage controls and hiring of staff/management to drive down wages. The whole Green Card game for STEM is not to fill slots with qualified applicants; it's to fill slots with the cheapest labor possible. Wholly qualified engineers, programmers, and expertise are being driven out of work (or their wages anti-capitalistically capped) by foreign and temp hires who are not citizens. It is these globalist entities that wish to import cheaper labor even though the talent pool already exists.

So Amnesty and its tentacle legislation is going to hit every class as far as employment and wages are concerned, nevermind the import of voting patterns that will weigh heavily socialist/fascist.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (eHIJJ)

438

But if you want to walk back and keep it civil, fine.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:24 PM (GEICT)

we can take it up in e-mails if you'd like.

Brother, I'm not walking back.  I've lost more troops, brothers (like yeah, my two brothers... from mom brothers), dogs, cousins, friends; in the last 3 years than I can count.

You imply that because I "didn't fear" the loss that I'm mentally deficient.  That's beyond insulting.  But I let it go because you don't understand.

In every case, from dogs to troops to brothers, I did everything I could to the best of my ability to keep them alive for as long as I could.  Offered the best advice I was capable of, made sure every troop was trained and had the gear, fed the pooches the highest quality food money could buy.

But in the end.  I'm not the boss.  The universe is.  And it decides. All I can do is what I can do.  Fear doesn't enter the equation.  No time for it, no tolerance of it.

Get me?

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (x3YFz)

439 So, everyone here will, at the very least, call and/ or email their congress critters and senators, right? Posted by: Lilredhen at January 30, 2014 06:30 PM (u3yX3) My congress critters are all mewling Quimbys. But I'll be happy to call yours if you think it would do some good.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (GeVLX)

440 Let's run through a list of things the GOP could do in Congress that would offend it's base LESS: Legalize pot. Legalize prostitution. Legalize prostitutes who sell pot. Legalize prostitutes who sell pot and officiate over nationally legalized gay marriage. Legalize prostitutes who sell pot and officiate over nationally legalized gay marriage while knocking over people in wheelchairs. Legalize prostitutes who sell pot and officiate over nationally legalized gay marriage while knocking over people in wheelchairs and converting all school lunches to Arby's. Seriously, this?

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (eie1R)

441 57 The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY? Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 05:28 PM (hFL/3) Why do people keep asking this? They are the enemy; worse than the Dems because they pretend to be friends.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (36Rjy)

442 Also.. .if the GOP doesn't care if the IRS is harassing them... perhaps that's indicative that there's only ONE team?

Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (25HWz)

443 @422 - Yeah, I was about to compose a fax to 'Whig Leader Boehner'...

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (o+SC1)

444 More from the letter

Immigration Reform: America’s unique competitive advantage has always been its ability to attract the best talent. Congress should fix the broken immigration system to create a larger pool of visas for higher-skilled workers, enact a new visa system for lower-skilled workers, offer a path forward for undocumented workers already living in the United States, and allocate greater resources to strengthen enforcement and secure our borders. Done right, reform can increase our economic growth rate, reduce our deficit, and contribute significantly to America’s future.

Done right, we can easily donate to GOP candidates rather than Dem candidates and create an indentured workforce that will outwork a Hebrew pyramid builder! Please ignore the Americans that we are laying off right and left.

Ok, I made that last part up.


Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (5ikDv)

445 So where I live I have no hope of being able to influence my Congresswoman or Senators in this matter. They're all absolutely moonbat liberal Democrats who are just dreaming of their new thousand-year Reich of undiluted power once they get thirty million left-wing illegals legalized and given the vote.

Those of you who actually live where you have Republicans on the other end of the phone had better light up those phones right now. Pols always assume silence equals assent.

But please, please don't get harsh with the poor low level schlubs who have to answer the phone. It really does matter how you come across. Personable and polite but firmly determined works best.

"You know I've voted for Senator Stemwinder regularly in the past, and I had hoped to continue that, but if he supports this reckless amnesty, there's just no way I will ever be able to vote for him again. If the Senator wants support next election, he had better not support this nonsense."

You don't have to actually voice the concept that if Stemwinder gets tossed out on his rear, so does the staffer you're talking to. And you don't have to explicitly explain that the staffer's job prospects after politics are not anywhere nearly as lavish as Stemwinder's are. Staffers understand all that quite well already.

Postal letters work well too. Especially a lot of them at once. There's something about the visual impact of overflowing mail sacks in the office anteroom that scares the pants off of pols.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (gqT4g)

446 Yep, I do. Course I also believed that letting Obamacare play out was a much better strategy than shutting down the government over an issue we could never win was a better strategy too. How did that work out? The same?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (tmzN0)

447 How did that work out?

You and the GOP are, were and will continue to be WRONG on both!

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (DL2i+)

448 Legalize prostitutes who sell pot and officiate over nationally legalized gay marriage while knocking over people in wheelchairs and converting all school lunches to Arby's. Seriously, this? Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 06:34 PM (eie1R) The Arby's thing clinched the deal me!

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (GeVLX)

449 Companies are, first and foremost, about returning a profit to stakeholders. Many also take pride in their product and their reputation. Some even understand that the well-being of their employees plays into the success of the company. I'm going to give business the benefit if the doubt at this moment in time. Given the over-taxation, the endless regulation and, now, Obamacare, burdens they face, many will do what they have to jn order to succeed in the short run. They didn't, however, become successful without a long-term vision and they surely know that any financial gains from cheap labor will be short-lived because.... unions.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (DmNpO)

450 Let's all pull a Brewster's Millions and literally vote for "None of the Above" in November.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (oA2WS)

451 It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system. - Maybe we could do like in those WWII movies and ask them questions any American would know like can you use your hands in football? If their answer is no, it's adios mustaches.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (E+uky)

452 Or... could the GOP simply have Stockholm Syndrome? Have they all turned uber McCain and want to help the people that are destroying our nation because they're "afraid?"

That's as good an explanation as any, isn't it?

Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (25HWz)

453 408 >>Come on, Jack, you don't really believe that crap, do you?

Yep, I do. Course I also believed that letting Obamacare play out was a much better strategy than shutting down the government over an issue we could never win was a better strategy too.

How did that work out?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:28 PM (g1DWB)


We could never win on that issue because we still have the same people leading the republican party then as are leading it now. The same people who were undercutting the shutdown at every opportunity, who passed a TRILLION DOLLAR FARM BILL, who passed a debt ceiling increase without a fight (because that was a hill to die on), who rid us of the sequester cuts after saying it was here to stay, who removed veterans benefits but could not bear to cut food stamps, who will not investigate by select committee: Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the NSA, or Holder's Fast and Furius.


I could go ON AND ON. And you tell us now that legalization won't lead to citizenship? What facts based on the history of this party lead you to this conclusion? Because any sane individual would look at this and laugh in your face for your Charlie Brown level of idiocy.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (buZ/8)

454

The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY?
Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 05:28 PM (hFL/3)

The GOP Establishment is humping the legs of the big money corporate donors who lust after some of that sweet, cheap labor.

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (O66NZ)

455 Nearly every other rich country has established stricter immigration laws that focus on keeping out poor, uneducated, and diseased immigrants and only letting the smart, educated, young, productive, and healthy. Not America though. Give us your old, your tired, your diseased, your mildly retarded -- cause it's not like we have plenty of trouble already with our old, sick, and ill. Give us your underclass welfare-cases, please!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (ZPrif)

456 Companies are, first and foremost, about returning a profit to stakeholders. Many also take pride in their product and their reputation. Some even understand that the well-being of their employees plays into the success of the company. I'm going to give business the benefit if the doubt at this moment in time. Given the over-taxation, the endless regulation and, now, Obamacare, burdens they face, many will do what they have to jn order to succeed in the short run. They didn't, however, become successful without a long-term vision and they surely know that any financial gains from cheap labor will be short-lived because.... unions. I wonder if for some, such as Coke, if being seen as having a heart isn't more of a marketing ploy than a cheap labor play.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (DmNpO)

457 @428 - No, it was to fatten representation in the slave states. Slaves were counted as 3/5 for apportionment purposes but of course did not have a vote, so every slave-state voter was also getting to vote 3/5 of the slave population of the state.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (o+SC1)

458 Just 10 years ago most of here were not just staunch defenders of the Republican party but defenders of Big Business, even with the bilingual and Press 1 For English sellout crap. When the Left attacked Wal Mart, for example, we were the first to defend the giant retailer. Things have changed, haven't they. We finally had enough and wised up. In a way it feels great not to carry their water anymore. A third party? Yes, now is the time. If not now, when? If not us, who?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (g7osp)

459 Meanwhile, if you aren't interested in committing party seppuku you are labelled a tea party extremist. Screw these guys.

Posted by: BSKB at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (4KWOY)

460

Article V Convention people. Might as well try since these fuckwads in DC have no balls, convictions, and hate people outside the beltway.

 

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:15 PM (buZ/

 

You do realize that as soon as the Beltway Motherfuckers recognize 34 states as wanting an Article V Convention, they will hijack it to "constitutionally" force the USSA on us, no further state legislature involvement required, right? There is no mechanism requiring Congress to recognize a state's right to choose its own delegates to either the national convention or its own ratification convention.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (o44nj)

461 445 Let's all pull a Brewster's Millions and literally vote for "None of the Above" in November.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 06:36 PM (oA2WS)

I'm going to vote.  I'll write in my dog, Maggie.  She could govern with fewer negative consequences than these idiots do.

She just wants scritches.

And some chicken. (apologies to The Chicken)

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (x3YFz)

462 yeah, jack, the govt shutdown has jackshit to do with the amnesty issue. I picked the Broncos game correctly, so that means I'm right about this Amnesty issue!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (ZPrif)

463 Damnit! I somehow posted an incomplete comment before the completed comment. Stupid fat fingers.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (DmNpO)

464 "we will not go to a conference with the Senate’s immigration bill." Pure and unadulterated bullshit. All it would need is for twenty or so RINOs to team up with the Donks in the House and it's Katie bar the door. OCare II all over again! ********** Oh, I don't disagree. Any bill that the House passes automatically transforms into the Senate Suicide Note.

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (QxSug)

465 I assume you know this, but the 3/5 vote was intended to keep slavery out of new states entering the union. Libs think is was to keep the black man down. Posted by: Wyatt Earp +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, I do know the reason for that, and thanks for giving me the benefit of doubt. But find a LIV that knows that. Hell, half of the elected GOP probably doesn't know the history. I guess I could have said it better with just three words - Just The Tip.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (8FyP4)

466 It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.


My only regret is that I have but one perfectly-trimmed boxwood hedge to give for my country.

Posted by: Zombie Nathan Hale at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (8ZskC)

467 Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:39 PM (x3YFz)


For the first time in my life, I may actually sit out the election in November.  The GOP hasn't earned my vote.  In fact, all they've done was piss me off.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (oA2WS)

468 So the Republicans want to lose?Had it.... I'm a registered Independent anyway but couldn't they have enough sense to at least postpone this crap till after the 2014 elections?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (9+ccr)

469 I'm on the lamb but I aint no sheep...

Posted by: blue oyster cult at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (SgWU/)

470 this is all about getting donations from the Cheap Labor Lobby for their Congressional Campaigns this year. - Remember when we thought it was a lie that the GOP was the party of the rich?

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (E+uky)

471 Yes, I do know the reason for that, and thanks for giving me the benefit of doubt. But find a LIV that knows that.

Good point.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (oA2WS)

472 They have set the stage. They are trying to force those of us who have claimed principles to now make a much starker choice than in a primary. We will now have to face the fact that to show our resolve we will have to at least temporarily surrender gov't to the Democrats. Remember THEY HAVE MADE THIS FIGHT WHAT IT IS. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That If we vote for DIABLOs (democrats in all but label only), we're already voting for democrats; they simply identify as "republican." Given this amnesty guideline, the republicans have already demonstrated that they're actually Ds.

Posted by: elaine at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (GNZ0/)

473 >>The history of the last 50 years is that once you start down this path, judges and the Dems will ensure that whatever they think is to their advantage, happens, the law and the will of the people be damned. Why on earth would you trust them on something that will give them an electoral lock for the next century, and allow them to permanently alter this country, and not for the better? What part of the path we have been on for the last couple decades is killing us in election after election is not clear? Doing nothing but screaming build a fence and deport them all has not worked. We have been demagogued as racist haters with no plan over and over and we always lose on this issue. I've said repeatedly I don't think the left will ever accept this plan. They don't want enforcement first, won't accept a neutral body doing the ensuring that it is and won't accept a legal status with no citizenship. Republicans have also refused to go to conference or even consider the Senate bill. It is going to up to the Senate to sign a House Republican bill they do not like. How likely do you think that is? Reid won't even allow Republican amendments in the Senate, has nuked the filibuster for certain issues but now he is going to allow a House Republican bill to be voted on? Really? This is all about neutralizing the ability of Dems to say the Republicans have no plan and giving Republicans a plan to run on that while not "deport them all" is a serious proposal. One that won't pass. And whether we like it or not Republicans get a shitload of money and political support from corporation and others who want so sort of resolution on this issue. They need to throw them a bone too. Do you honestly think Boehner and other Republicans don't get that lots of people in their base don't want amnesty? Do you think they don't realize if they make these guys citizens they are hurting themselves? You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living? They are playing politics. We sit here day after day talking about how dumb the liberals are but how smart they are at politics. You think all Republicans are even dumber than Pelosi and Obama and can't play politics too?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (g1DWB)

474 Ya but what do the democrats think about this proposal?

(rhetorical, metaphorical, and a silent plea for attention.) 

Posted by: Ralph q. Esq. at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (tc40V)

475 57 The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY? Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 05:28 PM (hFL/3) Like I said. Follow the money. The guys that fund their campaigns need cheap and legal labor. These idiots are too shortsighted to understand that you can have 8 zillion in your campaign coffers and if nobody votes for you it won't matter. But if they lose, these corporations will give them nice cushy high paying jobs anyway so there's no risk for them. They could give two shits about the country and or it's well being. They think our hatred of the Dems is going to be enough to overcome this. They are wrong. At this point I hate them more than the Dems and it pains me to even write it. But I am done with them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (/o+xv)

476 Meanwhile, if you aren't interested in committing party seppuku you are labelled a tea party extremist. Screw these guys.

Posted by: BSKB at January 30, 2014 06:38 PM (4KWOY)

 

News: I am a Tea Party extremist and I'm growing more radical by the day. Of course, my extremist views consist of loving freedom and a fervent desire to preserve the Republic, so I guess I'm an extremist the way Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Adams, et al were extremists.

 

People seem to forget that the Founders were genuine revolutionaries.

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (O66NZ)

477 You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living? Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM YES!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:43 PM (/o+xv)

478 CATHY MCMORRIS-ROGERS WISHES TO LAP DANCE ON KRAUTHAMMER. SHE'S A VILE BITCH.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 01:43 PM (Cs2tJ)

479 I don't know if you're still reading this, JackStraw, but I can think of a pretty inevitable path to citizenship for the newly legal immigrants. Sociologists (liberals, of course) have been warning for years that any interim legal status has the danger of creating a de jure second class, and therefore Othering and possibly racializing this class. Obviously, they will take up this drumbeat if any such idea makes it into law. The solution? Make them full citizens since they've proved they really like America by putting up with all our racism and class belittlement. It's the public option into single payer, immigration version.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:43 PM (ZEvg7)

480 "Give us your old, your tired, your diseased, your mildly retarded -- cause it's not like we have plenty of trouble already with our old, sick, and ill."

I've argued before that a brutally direct pitch should be made to the senior citizen bloc about amnesty versus entitlements.

"You paid into the system for your benefits. Now they're talking about adding thirty million more people to the system, who didn't pay in a dime, or who if they paid in, paid far less then you did. Now, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY WILL COME FROM FOR *THEIR* BENEFITS? It will come from reducing yours. Simple as that."

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (gqT4g)

481 I'm going to give business the benefit if the doubt at this moment in time. Given the over-taxation, the endless regulation and, now, Obamacare, burdens they face, many will do what they have to jn order to succeed in the short run. I ran a successful business for decades.Then I had to face competition that hired illegals and undercut me. I had to deal with over-regulation -- including half a dozen OSHA people wandering around my business, clipboards in hand asking my employees how they could become unemployed. I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to people who will go to 'any measure' whatsoever to remain in business. If they can't make money hiring Americans, then fuck them.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (oGrEy)

482 hahaja @ employment verification system! This, just like Voter ID, will never be enforced. Indeed, it will be deemed by a Court as discriminatory. Did you know that right now D's are trying to make it illegal for employers to do ANY background checks?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (g7osp)

483

It would just be way too hard to enforce current laws, you know like Mexico does, or Namibia.

Posted by: GOP leadership at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (wAQA5)

484 I assume you know this, but the 3/5 vote was intended to keep slavery out of new states entering the union. Libs think is was to keep the black man down.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 06:33 PM (oA2WS)




And also as an attempt to keep the slave states from having their cake and eating it, too, by claiming slaves as citizens to gain extra representatives (that the slaves, as not-really-citizens, wouldn't be allowed to vote for).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (yh0zB)

485 @472 I do too. There are dozens of people on this blog that could do a better job.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (P6QsQ)

486 If the powers that be within the GOP,
Embrace this cluster foxtrot called amnesty,
Their days will numbered and rightfully so,
These gelded eunuchs of the rino status quo,
To the dustbin of history they will be.

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (J+cfY)

487 They don't pass the purity test, huh?

Posted by: Albie Damned at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (cGaCp)

488 @468 - if so, there's three ways this can play out. Scenario #1 - the backblast is so terrifying that GOP reps run screaming. If this is going to happen we'll see it soon. Scenario #2 - the Boehner/Cantor/Ryan crowd use this as a carrot to string donors along, "we're working on it, but you have to throw more money at the ones who are uncertain..." right up to about, oh, October, at which point it disappears from the radar altogether. Scenario #3 - they mean what they say and start pushing to pass something embracing an even bigger suck than Obamacare. We'll see...

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (o+SC1)

489 The Republicans cannot (actually will not) advance their goals, but they will fall all over themselves to advance the Democrats' goals.

Posted by: whoever at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (zu9Ee)

490 Doing nothing but screaming build a fence and deport them all has not worked.

I couldn't agree more.  So build the damn fence.  That way, people might actually be willing to believe that you mean what you say.

Do you honestly think Boehner and other Republicans don't get that lots of people in their base don't want amnesty? Do you think they don't realize if they make these guys citizens they are hurting themselves?

Marco Rubio would like a word with you.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (6TB1Z)

491 Wow, Levin reading off the penalties for being an illegal in Mexico.  Maybe we can all move there and leave this country to the illegals?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (oA2WS)

492 Look, I'm all for corporations making tons of money, as long as it's in a legal and moral (per Western standards). What the donor class seems to want is to adopt the Chicom model, where they can operate here at slave labor rates. Fuck that, there's a much better way.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (8FyP4)

493 good point, Obama has zero intent of enforcing any law he doesn't like. Hopefully the GOP gets around to a do not waive rule

Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (QxSug)

494 You do realize that as soon as the Beltway Motherfuckers recognize 34 states as wanting an Article V Convention, they will hijack it to "constitutionally" force the USSA on us, no further state legislature involvement required, right? There is no mechanism requiring Congress to recognize a state's right to choose its own delegates to either the national convention or its own ratification convention.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:39 PM (o44nj)


What are you talking about? An article V convention is independent of the Federal Gov't. They can try to appoint whatever they want, but the states are the controlling factions here. And any amendment coming from a convention would need to pass 3/4 of the state legislatures. The amendments would have to be pretty popular to pass. I don't think a communist dictatorship would come from this.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (buZ/8)

495 / What part of the path we have been on for the last couple decades is killing us in election after election is not clear? Doing nothing but screaming build a fence and deport them all has not worked. We have been demagogued as racist haters with no plan over and over and we always lose on this issue. / A plan to dry up the demand for the illegals through force of law works fine for me. I think that was Romney's plan, but he was a little too trusting to label it "self-deportation." And reform legal immigration while we're at it, because the INS is a predictably stupid bureaucracy.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (ZEvg7)

496 I just sent back a "survey" from the RNC. Loaded with questions that lead you to the answer they want to hear and finished off with a scary threat about the opposition that can only be thwarted with your money. I wrote "not a dime" and sealed it. you know they wipe their asses with the survey and cash the check post haste. I know I'm not alone when I say that I will henceforth donate to the candidate and never again the party.

Posted by: mc at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (lrfmC)

497 Well, jackstraw has said there's nothing to worry about with this Amnesty so that settles it. Whew! For a second I was worried, but now I realize I just was being a big ninny.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (ZPrif)

498 I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to people who will go to 'any measure' whatsoever to remain in business. If they can't make money hiring Americans, then fuck them. .... But I don't know that they are so short-sighted as to miss the long-term implications of a cheap labor play.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (DmNpO)

499 >>Marco Rubio would like a word with you. You mean the guy who has spent every single day since he voted on that piece of shit running away from it and saying he doesn't want to vote for it now? Think he's already from us.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (g1DWB)

500 Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 06:46 PM (o+SC1)

Or, we can vote for third party, or a write-in, hopefully costing some of the more despicable reps their seats.  If Boehner is ousted, he's done.  He won't run again.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (oA2WS)

501 Some caller on Rush's show suggested this is maybe a strategic move to throw the hot potato back in the Dems' hands. They will of course oppose border enforcement, and the GOP will then paint them as anti-immigrant and anti-border enforcement.

Yeah, I know...

All we can do is fall on our knees and pray.

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (ZWaLo)

502 "I ran a successful business for decades.Then I had to face competition that hired illegals and undercut me."

Somehow stories like yours never get brought up in the cheery "doing the jobs Americans won't do" narrative.

I had an earnest liberal giving me the big old classic "taxes are the price we pay for civilization" routine.

I said, "How then do you square that up with having millions of illegal aliens employed on under the table cash terms which are specifically meant to avoid taxes? Isn't that by your lights undercutting our civilization?"

Fish out of water eye-rolling and mouth-flapping ensued.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (gqT4g)

503

How did that work out?

 

 

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I think the shutdown did what it was supposed to do.  And that was to show the American people just how far the DC government is willing to go to oppress our voices.  If nothing else, it was a great lesson on the attitudes of those in power.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (5PeyL)

504 11th dimensional chinese checkers, I say!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (ZPrif)

505 >>Well, jackstraw has said there's nothing to worry about with this Amnesty so that settles it. Whew! For a second I was worried, but now I realize I just was being a big ninny. No, no. Keep screaming and waving your arms. Entertaining and completely predictable.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (g1DWB)

506 @478 - but the slave states DID. Slaves were, in the law of the time, PROPERTY. They were not entitled to be counted for ANY purpose. And they sure as hell would never be permitted near a voting booth. By present-day standards this is heinous, but that's how it worked. It's exactly as if a Dem-controlled Congress gave states with Dem-controlled state houses the right to count 3/5 of their pets for redistricting purposes.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (o+SC1)

507 How long before the enlightened one executive   orders full amnesty for all illegals?

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (J+cfY)

508 Meanwhile, if you aren't interested in committing party seppuku you are labelled a tea party extremist. Screw these guys. Posted by: BSKB at January 30, 2014 06:38 PM ..........I guess the best way to describe it is with an analogy. Totally fictional on my part but I thought of this earlier. The Horde is going to I'm sure have a field day with this, but here goes. You love your wife, been faithful and devoted for years. Sure you get mad at each other and you both have flaws. But you always support her at the end of the day. One day you come home and she's banging the neighbor. You decide to forgive her and give her another chance. 4 years later she's banging another neighbor. You love her so much you decide to give her one more chance. Lo and behold she is now banging someone else. So you leave her and she is shocked that you're not giving her one more chance. That's what the GOP has done for years and I think many are at that tipping point. They think our dislike of the dems will allow them to keep metaphorically banging the neighbor and expect us to keep standing by them. Well I am officially divorcing them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (/o+xv)

509 472 You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM

Is this a rhetorical question?  Multiple choice?

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (x3YFz)

510 Chuck Hagel is a retard. Literally. He's retarded. In the brain.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (ZPrif)

511 472 You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM

YES!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 06:43 PM (/o+xv)


I give you all a video of a DC politician smarter than all of us. The man is brilliant!


http://tinyurl.com/kz56ufe

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (buZ/8)

512 >>I think the shutdown did what it was supposed to do. And that was to show the American people just how far the DC government is willing to go to oppress our voices. If nothing else, it was a great lesson on the attitudes of those in power. Fair. I disagree but a fair assessment.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (g1DWB)

513 Why the hell does the Chamber want amnesty?  The Mexicans have stopped coming, so there will be no one to replace the cheap illegal workers who once legalized will want what Americans get. Benefits, the whole deal.

So where is all their cheap labor going to come from then?

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (ZWaLo)

514 Might as well move to Europe. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 05:31 PM (RJMhd) That's what I'm gonna do.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (Y92Nd)

515 Ah, jackstraw, going full retard. Well done.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (ZPrif)

516 In 2010 I said, hooray! We got Boehner for Speaker I was being ironic. But this is what I meant. No need for pudding, we need flamethrowers.

Posted by: blaster at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (4+AaH)

517 You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living?



Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM

Exhibit A:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (x3YFz)

518 We have been demagogued as racist haters with no plan over and over and we always lose on this issue.

--

I realize there's a nood, and I probably am left commenting to myself...but I don't think "we" lose over and over on this issue.  Conversely, the majority of the public doesn't want amnesty.  Well, at least according to every poll that seems to come out.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (Oa7B2)

519 Setting aside my ideology for a moment, I honestly cannot see a single positive coming out of "immigration reform," not even for the illegals. Receiving scraps for welfare and getting shitty free obamacare and shitty public education isn't a 'win' for them. The only winners are the Democrats.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (g7osp)

520 “I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. Actual quote by LBJ “I'll have those b***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. Actual quote by President Clinton 2016

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (3qFD9)

521 You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living? So by extension, you trust Joe Biden over ace? Well, okay then...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (tmzN0)

522 509 Ah, jackstraw, going full retard. Well done. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 06:52 PM (ZPrif) ******** See you could be right on the points but that is how we lose the national argument. We let emotional radio jockey language take the megaphone.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (RJMhd)

523 There's nothing to fear with Amnesty. All is going well.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

524

What are you talking about? An article V convention is independent of the Federal Gov't. They can try to appoint whatever they want, but the states are the controlling factions here. And any amendment coming from a convention would need to pass 3/4 of the state legislatures. The amendments would have to be pretty popular to pass. I don't think a communist dictatorship would come from this.

 

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:48 PM (buZ/

 

It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states. There is nothing other than nearly-230-year-old precedent (that violated the Articles of Confederation, BTW) that says the states have a role in selecting who goes to that convention.  No mention in the Constitution that states have the right to send dlegates, no federal statute that says the states have the right to send delegates - nothing.

 

Further, Congress, at its discretion, can call state-level conventions for ratification in lieu of ratification by state legislatures. Again, there is nothing that says that Congress can't hand-pick the delegates.

 

As we've seen over the last 100-some years, if there is no prohibition against the federal government usurping the powers of the states (and even in cases where there is a prohibition), the federal government will usurp states' powers.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (o44nj)

525 "We could never win on that issue because we still have the same people leading the republican party then as are leading it now. The same people who were undercutting the shutdown at every opportunity, who passed a TRILLION DOLLAR FARM BILL, who passed a debt ceiling increase without a fight (because that was a hill to die on), who rid us of the sequester cuts after saying it was here to stay, who removed veterans benefits but could not bear to cut food stamps, who will not investigate by select committee: Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the NSA, or Holder's Fast and Furius." Exactly. The "disaster" of the shutdown was, 1. they got bad press for 3 weeks, 2. the meaningless polls of that September dipped, and 3. the Republicans voted with the Democrats. None of which was a disaster, until 4. Republicans decided agreeing with Democrats was necessary from now on. THAT'S the disaster.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (5xmd7)

526 Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:52 PM (x3YFz)


Beat you to it!

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (buZ/8)

527 It also wouldn't hurt if we explained the upside of this 'reform' to the illegals: Congratulations, you can now work at McDonalds!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (g7osp)

528 In a decade when the chicoms overtake us militarily, it won't make any difference. The former illegals can learn to work the rice paddies for them.

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (J+cfY)

529 All we can do is fall on our knees and pray.

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 06:49 PM (ZWaLo)

 

 

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At this  particular  point I feel that's all we can do.  We the People are powerless.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (5PeyL)

530 "Just 10 years ago most of here were not just staunch defenders of the Republican party but defenders of Big Business, even with the bilingual and Press 1 For English sellout crap."

I've been suspicious of the motives of Big Business ever since the Reagan years.

You will recall Lenin's adage that "the capitalists will sell us the rope we will use to hang them". Well, the corporate fat cats were fucking well clamoring for rope export permits to let them trade with the USSR.

The fat cats said sheepishly, "Well, they pay on time." Yeah, the blood money from slave labor and genocidal theft arrives promptly. What a thing to be proud of.

I later learned, once I got a bit further up the cynicism curve, of the extensive cooperation between Big Business in the USA, and that in Nazi Germany. Including right in the middle of the war!

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (gqT4g)

531 "the whole island will become so overly populated uh... that it will tip over... and uh... capsize."

Yeah.  They know far more than a blogger who can run a website and write code.  Congress. brilliant.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (x3YFz)

532 >>> a Hebrew pyramid builder!

Pyramids builders were egyptians, faithful peons that built them in the Old Kingdom. Jews and other slaves captured to do The Jobs Egyptians Just Won't Do, ie build temples and tombs, did their work during the later eras. But yes your point still holds.

And yes Countrysquire, I learned the wrong explanation for 3/5 slave counting from elementary school to AP American History. Is standard K-12 lies.


Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (BF+2f)

533 But I don't know that they are so short-sighted as to miss the long-term implications of a cheap labor play. In the end they won. I went back to college, learned how to program computers, spent my nights and weekends networking computers so every (American) employee I had knew what was required to produce a superior product, turned around total production time to a small percentage of former. Improved the product in a thousand ways. He hired illegals. He kicked my ass.

Posted by: Lace Wigs [/i] at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (oGrEy)

534 You mean the guy who has spent every single day since he voted on that piece of shit running away from it and saying he doesn't want to vote for it now?

Ah, he repented out of fear for his political life.  Well then, I guess I should trust him and his judgement and likewise that of his brethren.  They know what they're doing, no need to trouble myself. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)

535 There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. Jesus Ace you are too kind. Team of worthless losers is more like it.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (HVff2)

536 I admit JackStraw's take has a certain appeal, if we believed the GOP leadership had that John LeCarre-character level of creativity. I would *like* to believe the GOP's doing this as way either (a) to suck money out of amnesty-pimping Daddy Warbuckses. It's also conceivable, as I noted above, that the backlash will prove to those entities that the GOP cannot pass amnesty in any form, which might drive a nice wedge between the LatAm-labor faction and the H1B-faction because the latter's case isn't dependent on amnesty for illegals. But we'll see.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (o+SC1)

537 "It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states. There is nothing other than nearly-230-year-old precedent (that violated the Articles of Confederation, BTW) that says the states have a role in selecting who goes to that convention. No mention in the Constitution that states have the right to send dlegates, no federal statute that says the states have the right to send delegates - nothing. Further, Congress, at its discretion, can call state-level conventions for ratification in lieu of ratification by state legislatures. Again, there is nothing that says that Congress can't hand-pick the delegates. As we've seen over the last 100-some years, if there is no prohibition against the federal government usurping the powers of the states (and even in cases where there is a prohibition), the federal government will usurp states' powers. Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (o44nj) " That's simply wrong, steveegg. Either the Congress proposes an amendment for ratification OR there is a convention convoked by state legislatures. That's the wording of Article V.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (5xmd7)

538
At this particular point I feel that's all we can do. We the People are powerless.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (5PeyL)

No.  Enough of this "I give up" nonsense.

The only power they have is that which we give them.  Focus on that.  FFS FIGHT!

Never quit. 

You even look at that bell with the intention of ringing it and I will PT you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (x3YFz)

539 Boilerplate! I was hoping to see the specific 5-fold increase in H1B visas from the Ted Cruz plan.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (O3xRV)

540 Well ,this is unfortunate.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (Hvt9o)

541 We let emotional radio jockey language take the megaphone. Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 06:54 PM (RJMhd) It's a real cultural disconnection. AoSHQ is, in my opinion, the best conservative blog, and most of the posters here would shit the bed if given the chance to try to influence someone. Oh well.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (ZEvg7)

542 >>So by extension, you trust Joe Biden over ace? >>Well, okay then... Joe Biden is not smart, but he is politically very smart. Managed to survive for decades in the Senate and is now the Vice President. I think ace is very smart but he hasn't been elected to anything. And we are talking about political strategy. During the shutdown I kept saying that it would never work not because I didn't want it to any less than you did but I understood the political reality. The law had not been launched so nobody knew how bad it was and it was still marginally popular. The House had voted to repeal it 40 times and the Senate refused to vote on it even once. They were never going to agree to do it before the law took affect, they still won't do it despite how disastrous the law is even when it is likely to keep them from any chance of the House and potentially cost them the Senate. And Obama was not about to sign a repeal of his signature legislation. And all of that was correct. Not popular with a lot of bloggers but correct.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (g1DWB)

543 PJ: "...So where is all their cheap labor going to come from then?"

Amnesty Part III.

To be followed by Part IV, Part V, until we are a territory as opposed to a State.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (eHIJJ)

544
Beat you to it!

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (buZ/

Damn you Faster Keyboard/Mouse Guy!

//shakefist

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (x3YFz)

545 "It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states."  
 
 .

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (o44nj)

 

Incorrect:

Article V

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, {{{or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments,}}} which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution,

"shall call a convention" gives congress no authority to reject such convention. The states can amend the cons without any input for congress.

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (J+cfY)

546

It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states.

 

 

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Nope.  You're wrong.  States can and  are gearing up for a Article V Constitutional convention.  All perfectly within the realm of the Constitution.  It was the last stopgap  (right before armed rebellion)  the founders put in (at the insistance of the states) against a  runaway fed government.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (5PeyL)

547 534 Well ,this is unfortunate. Posted by: chemjeff Lol!

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (PEvUl)

548 To be followed by Part IV, Part V, until we are a territory as opposed to a State.

--

Amnesty Part V, Pedro Takes Manhattan


Posted by: Lady in Black at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (Oa7B2)

549 @535 - Make me King of The United States for one day and it'd be a very, very different place the following day. For one thing, the capital would be somewhere around the western border of Nebraska.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (o+SC1)

550 Joe Biden is not smart, but he is politically very smart. Managed to survive for decades in the Senate and is now the Vice President.


Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 07:00 PM (g1DWB)

Uh. No.

Joe Biden insulted every immigrant from India and got a pass (just ONE example of mr. can't keep his mouth shut)

Dan Quayle spells one word wrong.

Difference?  Liberal commie media.  Has nothing to do with the merit of the man.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (x3YFz)

551 Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 07:00 PM (g1DWB) Yeah. I supported the shutdown, but after the whole thing blew over it was clear that it was a pretty fucking stupid maneuver.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (ZEvg7)

552 So is this supposed to be an official 'pivot' in GOP policy? Just want to know for calibration purposes.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (O3xRV)

553 Fuck that party in particular.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (Vn2Qc)

554 It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states. There is nothing other than nearly-230-year-old precedent (that violated the Articles of Confederation, BTW) that says the states have a role in selecting who goes to that convention. No mention in the Constitution that states have the right to send dlegates, no federal statute that says the states have the right to send delegates - nothing.

Further, Congress, at its discretion, can call state-level conventions for ratification in lieu of ratification by state legislatures. Again, there is nothing that says that Congress can't hand-pick the delegates.

As we've seen over the last 100-some years, if there is no prohibition against the federal government usurping the powers of the states (and even in cases where there is a prohibition), the federal government will usurp states' powers.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (o44nj)


State level conventions are not a norm. Most amendments were passed with state legislatures. On you other point, there is nothing that says that congress can pick the delegates either. No legislation has been passed on a federal level dealing with this. In fact the only thing the constitution states is that congress shall call when 2/3 of the state legislatures call for a convention.


The states can simply deny any authority congress claims it has because congress has no authority over a article V convention.

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (buZ/8)

555 For one thing, the capital would be somewhere around the western border of Nebraska.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 07:02 PM (o+SC1)

the hell?  Nebraska?  Co Springs. 

No one wants to drive to nebraska, and the food is horrible.  just truckstop cheeseburgers.  ugh.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (x3YFz)

556 AnonymousDrive, you are unfortunately probably correct.

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (ZWaLo)

557

#opportunityforall

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (kdS6q)

558 @544 - The point is this: Biden may be wrong about just about everything, but he is by all accounts a nice guy and picks decently sharp people to work with and gets along with people and enjoys the political back-and forth. And a good President is more back-slapper than God-head. I'd take Biden over Obama any day of the week.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:07 PM (o+SC1)

559 You wingnuts and your voting. What a laugh. You think that matters at the national level? All the winners for 2014 are already in place, done and dusted. We are working on 2016 now. Oh, by all means go vote for your dog catcher or whatever. We don't care about the trivial. But do you really think we are going to let your votes actually matter and screw up what we have spent the last 100 years working towards? Get back to work. Or watch some nice TV. We don't care. You are disposable, replaceable, and in fact we wish quite a few of you would just die off and quit being pests. Replaceable, remember?

Posted by: Your Owners at January 30, 2014 02:07 PM (vHRtU)

560 No. Enough of this "I give up" nonsense.

The only power they have is that which we give them. Focus on that. FFS FIGHT!

Never quit.

You even look at that bell with the intention of ringing it and I will PT you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:58 PM (x3YFz)

 

 

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I didn't  say that we should quit.  I said, "at this particular point".  We need to start seeking  guidence as to where we go from here, because our choices are being narrowed down exponentially and will  become that much more difficult to make.  We need to choose well, or we only think we're seeing chaos.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (5PeyL)

561
ShannonJoy ‏@ShannonJoyRadio

Cruz to GOP: "Anyone pushing an amnesty bill should go ahead and put a ‘Harry Reid’ bumper sticker on their car"



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (kdS6q)

562 Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 07:03 PM (x3YFz) That's the truth. btw, thanks JEM for the H1B background.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:09 PM (ZEvg7)

563 553~~~Great parody, but unfortunately many politicos actually think that way.

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:09 PM (J+cfY)

564 " You really think a bunch of bloggers are that much smarter than the guys who do this for a living? " Why not? I've personally believed I'm smarter than every elected Democrat, my whole life.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (5xmd7)

565 Excellent resource on Article V: http://tinyurl.com/ml9y64d

Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (hqh2d)

566 For steveegg, the relevant part of the constitution dealing with Article V:

Article. V. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (buZ/8)

567 The thing that's most ridiculous about this situation is that even if the GOP passed an immigration bill that completely satisfied conservatives, Obama would simply ignore the parts he doesn't agree with. So what's the point?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (sdi6R)

568 My take is that Boehner adopted the Viet Nam concept that he had to destroy the Republican Party in order to save it!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 02:11 PM (o3MSL)

569

 rickl at January 30,

 

 

exactamundo

Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (J+cfY)

570 I'd take Biden over Obama any day of the week.

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 07:07 PM (o+SC1)


An unbelievable thought, and it is even more depressing because I agree with you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (o3MSL)

571 We need to choose well, or we only think we're seeing chaos.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 07:08 PM (5PeyL)

Go small.

City councils.  School boards.  Zoning meetings.  State senate.  State reps.

It's a grind.  We can't win back what's been lost over 100 years in 1 election cycle or 1 lifetime.  But we owe it to our kids and grandkids to fight for our principles.

And you owe it to your own soul.


Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (x3YFz)

572 Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2014 07:10 PM (sdi6R)

Oh how I long for the days when the laws were written down and not subject to the whims of a madman!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (o3MSL)

573 Why not? I've personally believed I'm smarter than every elected Democrat, my whole life.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 07:10 PM (5xmd7)

I'd place next months mortgage payment on the lizard that's been occupying my basement for the last 6 weeks over sheila jackson lee.

Lizard, 4:1

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:15 PM (x3YFz)

574 My amnesty law might have worked if Ross Perot hadn't gifted Clinton with two terms.  Amnesty + border control is a no brainer.  But border control mostly is a function of the cojones of the CEO of the federal government (agency enforcement) and funding those efforts (spending from the House).  I never had the House, so I couldn't really get done what needed to have gotten done. Looking back now I shouldn't have bet the farm on a law drafted by Ted Kennedy's staff.  But the overall concept nevertheless makes abundant sense, unless you simply hate dark-skinned Catholics for the sake of being irrational.

Posted by: Ronald W. Reagan at January 30, 2014 02:15 PM (pmsMR)

575
“It’s important to act on immigration reform because we’re focused on jobs and economic growth, and this is about jobs and growth,” Boehner said in his pitch in the closed meeting.




Not jobs for you -- per se.  More "jobs" in a broad, all inclusive, dare I say holistic sense of the term.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (kdS6q)

576 DAILY REMINDER: We are doomed.

Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (6j8ke)

577 I'm going with the opinion that the Majority of Rs see a Conservative wave building and wanted to get this done now before they no longer have the votes for it. Or they're idiots. But mostly the wave thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (ojnk6)

578 We are doomed.

Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 30, 2014 07:16 PM (6j8ke)

Everyone is.  but:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpH5L8zCtSk

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:18 PM (x3YFz)

579  I'm going with the opinion that the Majority of Rs see a Conservative wave building and wanted to get this done now before they no longer have the votes for it. Or they're idiots. But mostly the wave thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 07:16 PM (ojnk6)

 

 

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No.  I think they're idiots.  Fearful idiots, but idiots just the  same.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (5PeyL)

580 "but he is by all accounts a nice guy and picks decently sharp people to work with and gets along with people" I saw both VP debates, where his great skill was pretending the truth was a ridiculous lie and an insult to his superior intelligence. He also works with Obama without any friction. Neither of those speaks to him being a nice guy or picking sharp people to work with.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (5xmd7)

581
No one wants to drive to nebraska, and the food is horrible. just truckstop cheeseburgers. ugh.

Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 07:06 PM (x3YFz)




So now you've managed to piss off an entire state, a state that grows that food you deem to be so horrible. Nice work jackass.



FWIW, I grew up 70 miles east of Omaha NE. Been to Nebraska many times. Took my first (preliminary) oath at a MEPS station there. Have relatives there. If you are basing your opinion of Nebraska from interstate truck stops you're an idiot.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 02:21 PM (yh0zB)

582 I mean...just cause their college football team sucks donkey balls...that's no reason to disparage the entire state.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (yh0zB)

583 572 Idiots no doubt, but the fearful will do things to protect themselves from enemies, like making sure Conservatives don't come out and vote next cycle. Hence the wave thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (ojnk6)

584 576 He said to absolutely nobody on a dead thread....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (ojnk6)

585 Be a big market in pre-filled-out nine-dependent W4s, and not so much of a market for 1040s, I'm thinking.

Posted by: A message at January 30, 2014 02:28 PM (fsHdl)

586 Wow! Victor Davis Hanson is on Mark Levin's show! They just went into a break, but he'll be back.

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2014 02:30 PM (sdi6R)

587 Here is what we need to do. Now.

1: Write and call your Congressman ASAP to tell them you will not be voting for anyone who supports ANY "immigration reform."

2: A man named J.D. Winteregg is challenging John Boehner in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.

3. A man named Dave Brat is challenging Eric Cantor in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.

4. Flood John Boehner's Twitter with protestation.

5. Flood your own Congressman's Twitter with protestation.

They  need to know that anyone who supports this--ANYONE--will not have support this November.

It's time we get organized about this.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (FvBWN)

588 If Immigration passes I will never vote again. The GOP will have proven they deserve the effort it takes to get me to the polls. let your representative know how you feel www.gop.gov

Posted by: retired military at January 30, 2014 03:38 PM (8xtZc)

589 Jackstraw If multinationals offered the GOP a fat suitcase to follow the Democrats and ease US law on tech exports to China and banking in the Persian Gulf, should the GOP "throw them a bone" or tell them to go to the Democrats and to the Devil?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 04:00 PM (5xmd7)

590 I feel the urge to purge... ...the RINOs. Screw third parties. I say throw the RINOs out of OUR GOP. If RINOs want a second liberal party, they can create a new party.

Posted by: Goerge at January 30, 2014 04:16 PM (rdFOT)

591 >>If multinationals offered the GOP a fat suitcase to follow the Democrats and ease US law on tech exports to China and banking in the Persian Gulf, should the GOP "throw them a bone" or tell them to go to the Democrats and to the Devil? Interesting hypothetical. But as nobody gives a fuck about this issue not a very relevant one. You know what is relevant and something lots of people give a fuck about? !2 million illegals living in this country, taking jobs and depressing wages and for the most part nobody knows where they are. Also not a hypothetical, we have almost no control over our southern border where more deaths occur in a year than did in Iraq and Afghanistan in 10 years and its rapidly spreading to our side of the border. Also not a hypothetical, Republican efforts which have consisted of screaming "Secure the border and deport all illegals" have not only not worked they have cost us at the ballot box in races all over the country. What's your solution other than more of the same cause I'm sort of tired of ceding this issue to the left? And no I don't accept an argument that says more of the same losing strategy is going to work this time. How about we take the issue off the table by giving the left an offer they can refuse? >“Nancy Pelosi said yesterday that for her caucus, it is a special path to citizenship or nothing,” Boehner said, according to a source in the room. “If Democrats insist on that, then we are not going to get anywhere this year.” http://tinyurl.com/o5pdar4 Putting the left on the defensive on this issue for a change while going nowhere is ok by me. You?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 04:20 PM (g1DWB)

592 Here is what we need to do. Now.

1: Write and call your Congressman ASAP to tell them you will not be voting for anyone who supports ANY "immigration reform."

2: A man named J.D. Winteregg is challenging John Boehner in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.

3. A man named Dave Brat is challenging Eric Cantor in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.

4. Flood John Boehner's Twitter with protestation.

5. Flood your own Congressman's Twitter with protestation.

They need to know that anyone who supports this--ANYONE--will not have support this November.

It's time we get organized about this.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at January 30, 2014 04:21 PM (FvBWN)

593 "Interesting hypothetical. But as nobody gives a fuck about this issue not a very relevant one. " So you're okay with bribery and treason as long as it isn't scandalous?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 06:09 PM (6rG0z)

594 "Also not a hypothetical, Republican efforts which have consisted of screaming "Secure the border and deport all illegals" have not only not worked they have cost us at the ballot box in races all over the country. What's your solution other than more of the same cause I'm sort of tired of ceding this issue to the left? And no I don't accept an argument that says more of the same losing strategy is going to work this time. " Me, I'd enforce soveriegnity by sealing the border with the Army -on Mexican soil, for convenience-- and shutting all Mexican consulates in the US, and barring all bank transfers under $100,000 to Latin America, to start, and then doing mass deportations iwth same-day hearings, and exclude the District courts from hearing appeals. That's the program. Now, whether that helps your corrupt party, which you insist has to listen to people who pay bribes, I don't care. By waiving the most basic duties of soveriegnity, you doom your own regime. If 30 million people is too many to prosecute, why should 300 million obey you? They won't, and the succeeding regime will be some active minority group with a cohesive ideology, not a broad coalition. Our goal, as ideologues, is to forge cadre, not seek compromise and collaboration with losers.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 06:21 PM (6rG0z)

595 Where are you and your genius lying bluffing GOP if Harry Reid puts the GOP principles to a voice vote in the Senate?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 06:36 PM (6rG0z)

596 I'm cool with people leaving the GOP on principle.  Especially since most of them are batshit crazy and have totally unrealistic expectations, and have devoted little time to studying issues, preferring instead to follow the slogans chanted by demagogues.

There is one little tiny favor I want to ask all of y'all, though.  Since you are "leaving" the GOP, is it too much to ask you to kindly BUTT THE HELL OUT of our Party primaries and policy discussions?  I mean, I'm sure you'll be plenty busy working on your new party, won't you?

If you are serious enough about "LEAVING THE GOP" to whine incessantly about it and to allow Democrats even more victories and power, shouldn't you be "leaving" in a way we will notice besides your usual betrayal of staying home when you don't get your way?

How can we ever miss you when you just will not go away?

Posted by: Adjoran at January 30, 2014 06:44 PM (473jB)

597 Allahpundit has a pretty good take on this at "Hot Air" Sean Trende of RealClearPolitics started tweeting in total mystification after the statement was released as to why the GOP would be pushing amnesty now, of all moments. If they were dead set on doing this before the midterms, he reasoned, why not do it last year, to give conservative anger more time to cool before the big vote? Failing that, why not wait until next year, after the midterms, since no one expects the Latino vote to be decisive this fall? I have no answers to the first question but you know my answer to the second. I think Boehner’s afraid that if they wait another year, until the GOP holds the Senate as well, conservative expectations for a “tough” Republican-written law will be so high that the backlash when they fail to come through will be even more bitter than it’ll be if they do it this year. In fact, as another Twitter buddy speculated, it may be that Boehner expects so many more tea partiers in the House and Senate next year that he feels he has to act now, before they’re seated. If he waits, tea partiers might be strong enough in 2015 to block the sort of bill that his friends in the Chamber of Commerce want written. When push comes to shove, he, Ryan, and the rest of the leadership think conservative/independent anger over ObamaCare will wash away all of their sins come November, including a mortal sin on immigration. Even if they sell you out on this, they figure, you’ll still go to the polls to rebuke Obama for the millions of cancellations and higher premiums that his pet boondoggle has stuck America with. And honestly? I’m not sure they’re wrong.

Posted by: Tony Montana at January 30, 2014 08:19 PM (Hit9r)

598

For steveegg, the relevant part of the constitution dealing with Article V:

Article. V. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;

 

Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 07:10 PM (buZ/

 

Read the parts I bolded carefully. It is Congress who would call the national convention, not the states. Therefore, it is Congress who would decide how said convention is formed, not the states.

 

I'm sure most states are like Wisconsin, with absolutely no mechanism for creating a ratifying convention. In that vacuum, Congress would step in and define how the ratifying conventions are set up as part of demanding their use to ensure a successful and unanimous "ratification".

 

The time to have implemented an Article V Convention was between 2003 and 2006, before the proto-Communists took control of Congress. Then we would have had a 50/50 shot of not getting fucked with a lit stick of dynamite. Now, with the proto-Communists ruining the Senate and the wanna-be's ruining the House, it's a choice between getting a lit stick of dynamite and getting a white phosphorous grenade with the pin pulled.

 

If it sounds like I'm saying it's too late for political salvation, I guess I am.

Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 09:09 PM (o44nj)

599 "589 I'm cool with people leaving the GOP on principle. Especially since most of them are batshit crazy and have totally unrealistic expectations, and have devoted little time to studying issues, preferring instead to follow the slogans chanted by demagogues." I take it this refers to people who supported the GOP platform in 2012. Such as, "Don't vote for my Democrat opponent, he supports the DREAM Act." " is it too much to ask you to kindly BUTT THE HELL OUT of our Party primaries and policy discussions? " Of course it is. You don't own any "policy discussions".

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 10:41 PM (IEIYC)

600 592 "589 I'm cool with people leaving the GOP on principle. Especially since most of them are batshit crazy and have totally unrealistic expectations, and have devoted little time to studying issues, preferring instead to follow the slogans chanted by demagogues."

translated - "I'm smarter than you because I blindly support the GOP".

I love such intelligent, well thought out arguments for why the GOP is doing the right thing.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 03:32 AM (sOx93)

601 Ace,

I wish you would use your platform to encourage other conservatives to sit out the 2014 elections.

The only way to change the behavior of the GOP is to get its attention.  The only way to get its attention is to withhold our votes.  (a primary here and there simply does not work - we have tried it for 30 years and the tactic has not moved the GOP to the right in the GOP's actions.  Granted, the GOP's rhetoric has moved to the right, but its actions have decidedly not moved to the right and actions are all that is important).

think of it like a company selling a product.  If the product's sales drop suddenly by 10% or so, the company is going to notice and try and figure out why. 

In this case, the GOP is selling a product.  It takes its base consumers - those who regularly buy their product (with votes), for granted.  It assumes that those consumers will continue to buy its product no matter what.

So, in order to try and expand the sale of its product, it is changing the product dramatically to suit other tastes.  As long as the base consumer keeps buying the product, there is no downside to doing this and lots of potential upside (new consumers).

But, if the company instead loses market share by doing this (i.e., loses a large percentage of its consumer base), it will realize that the strategy of radically changing the product is not good.

Here, the analogy is not perfect because the GOP never actually provided the product marketed to us - it never has acted conservative.  But, it is now edging even further and further left in the hopes of attracting new consumers - in the belief that its present consumers (we conservatives) will not care.

If we vote GOP in 2014 - we prove this theory correct and the GOP will move even further left. 

But, for a boycott/strike by conservative to work - we need champions with large audiences to sell the strategy and get people on board. 

Yes, if we do this, the GOP probably won't win the Senate and may lose the house in 2014.  But, what is worse in the long term - not winning this election cycle or the GOP moving even further to the left than it already is?

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 03:41 AM (sOx93)

602 When push comes to shove, he, Ryan, and the rest of the leadership think conservative/independent anger over ObamaCare will wash away all of their sins come November, including a mortal sin on immigration. Even if they sell you out on this, they figure, you’ll still go to the polls to rebuke Obama for the millions of cancellations and higher premiums that his pet boondoggle has stuck America with. And honestly? I’m not sure they’re wrong.

Posted by: Tony Montana at January 31, 2014 01:19 AM (Hit9r)

See my post at Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 08:41 AM (sOx93)


This is exactly why we need to prove them wrong.  What "mortal sin" will the GOP do next believing that we will vote for them no matter what?  Every cycle it is something else - raising spending, increasing gov't, amnesty.


And, Boehner, McConnell and most of the GOP establishment has made it pretty clear that it will not repeal Obamacare, only "fix" it.  Which means that the next mortal sin will be not only embracing Obmacare, but giving Obamacare the veneer of a bi-partisan program, meaning we won't even be able to run against Obamacare when it fails miserably because the GOP will have bought into Obamacare.




Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 03:46 AM (sOx93)

603 Monkeytoe I disagree only in that you'd leave to return to the organization. Leave and let us start over. There are 232 House Republicans and 45 Senators and maybe a thousand or two thousand Party apparatus who are running things. With a few standout exceptions, those guys are totally replaceable. In a nation of 300 million we should be able to find 3000 like minded and honest folks who will do better.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 06:42 AM (5xmd7)

604 Chris Balsz,

What I am proposing is a last-ditch effort to salvage the GOP.  If that doesn't work, then sure - we should try and form a new party.  the problem with trying to start a new party is it is a LOT more than a few thousand people. 

If we could get most of the big conservative blogs on board with starting a new party, and maybe a bunch of the conservative talk-show hosts (Hannity, Rush, etc.), we could probably pull it off.

but, even at conservative sites like this, most of the people still support the GOP no matter what it does.  And these are the high-information, politically active conservatives.  Getting all of the much less informed, much less active people who vote GOP, donate $ to the GOP, etc. on board with a 3rd party is a decades long endeavor.

So, while I'm not against doing so, I say we try to salvage the GOP if we can.  Problem is, conservatives won't do it.  They'll keep voting GOP no matter what the GOP does "because we can't let the dems win".  It is not rational - it is purely tribal.  They don't see allowing the GOP to lose an election as a tactical move to force the GOP rightward - they only see things in terms of which letter wins an election.

The GOP can pass amnesty, raise spending, sign on to Obamacare, and do all kinds of anti-conservative things, and conservatives will just smile and take it.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 07:07 AM (sOx93)

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