December 31, 2013

Global Warming Research Ship Trapped by Expanding Antarctic Ice
— Ace

Yup.

An icebreaker ship attempted to cut through the thickening, coldening Antarctic ice, but has failed and was forced to retreat from Nature's Oddly-Cold Warming Onslaught.

Does AP notice the irony here? Do they say "ironically enough" at any point in the article?

Of course not. Because that would be to notice that the "science" of global warming is being undermined by the Advancing Glacial Ice of global warming, and political correctness requires that you never notice the obvious. Which is part of Orwell's Doublethink.

A Chinese icebreaker that was en route to rescue a ship trapped in Antarctic ice was forced to turn back on Saturday after being unable to push its way through the heavy sea ice.

The Snow Dragon icebreaker came within 7 miles (11 kilometers) of the Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy, which has been stuck since Christmas Eve, but had to retreat after the ice became too thick, said expedition spokesman Alvin Stone.

The Akademik Shokalskiy, which has been on a research expedition to Antarctica, got stuck Tuesday after a blizzard's whipping winds pushed the sea ice around the ship, freezing it in place. The ship wasn't in danger of sinking, and there are weeks' worth of supplies for the 74 scientists, tourists and crew on board, but the vessel cannot move.

Always remember that the following three things prove the theory of global warming:

1. Alarmingly warm temperatures

2. Alarmingly cold temperatures

3. Alarmingly mild temperatures

See? They're covered all three ways.


"Science"

The best theories are the ones that by their own logic can never be disproved.

Scientists who announce clear refutation scenarios are just pussies who Hate Science.

Posted by: Ace at 10:36 AM | Comments (258)
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1 The best part: they went in SoHem Summer in hopes of claiming ordinary calving is an eco-disaster and making some misleading video. Ha-ha!

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 10:38 AM (sOtz/)

2 Noted on the twitter somewhere: What were these researchers doing down there? If they found proof of extra melting or warming, would it be dismissed as an aberration? Big phonies.

Posted by: AMDG at December 31, 2013 10:39 AM (t7OO0)

3

The only reason my post wasn't first is because my keyboard was melting from all of the Global Warming(tm).  In January.  In the Northern Hemisphere.

 

Posted by: junior at December 31, 2013 10:40 AM (UWFpX)

4 The existence of any weather proves that Climate Change exist and is caused by man.

Posted by: Mallamutt, at December 31, 2013 10:40 AM (OWjjx)

5 Somebody pissed off the Sun. Buy it something shiny and take it out to dinner at a really nice place.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (EWsrI)

6 The cruel irony of the situation is that the media types funding the junket outfitted the ship with all kinds of communications and video transmission gear - so we get to see their failure in color.

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (4JkHl)

7 I loved how smiley they all were.
Wouldn't be so relaxed if their rescuers were restricted from, say,  using a fossil-fuel powered machine to get them safely out. Eco-twits!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (POpqt)

8 Too hot? Global Warming! Too cold? Climate Change!

Posted by: GIJared at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (Gxwix)

9 Scientists who announce clear refutation scenarios are just pussies who Hate Science.

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And with that, I bid you adieu!

Posted by: Flouncing Johnson who flounces at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (P6QsQ)

10 Whether the ice expands or contracts, whether some hockey stick is contrived or not, even if the "watermelons" (green on the outside/red on the inside) fail in banning 100 watt incandescent lamps (oh, wait), they'll just seize on some other bell rope: the sky is falling, the sky is falling- take no action of any kind without the direct intervention of Federal authorities!
Moreover, until the asteroid hits, we don't have a throttle on the sun's output.

Posted by: la vache qui rit,qui est lŕ pour vous dire ce qui est ce que at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (1/4XQ)

11 >>Does AP notice the irony here? Do they say "ironically enough" at any point in the article? Not mock-worthy. Romney? Always mock-worthy, even when holding a baby. It's almost like they have an agenda, a checklist, or something. Nah...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (SUKHu)

12 I haven't been around much the last few days because... you guessed it, global warming. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (BeSEI)

13
Arrr, matey.

I be lost.

Posted by: Irony at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (afIp+)

14 Praxis of Climate Change = "pussies who Hate Science."

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (baL2B)

15 The penguins are selling them pictures of their vacation in Hawaii.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (EWsrI)

16 @8....just right? Global Warming!

Posted by: Mallamutt, at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (OWjjx)

17
Arrrr, matey, I be lost.

Posted by: Irony at December 31, 2013 10:43 AM (afIp+)

18 Yeah, but it's warm ice, so there!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 10:43 AM (dwArK)

19 That evil gas spewing helicopter would do too much damage to Mamma Gaia. So I say, screw em, if they're so convinced it's warming, they can sit there until it melts.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:43 AM (FciyD)

20 Will the entire carbon footprint of the whole operation be calculated and reported on?

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 10:43 AM (Auy5s)

21 It's settled science!

And.. and.. and.. it's a consensus!  We have a list of 5,000 scientists (ok, ok.. NOT climate scientists.. but scientists!) who have signed a petition saying they BELIEVE in global warming.  Isn't that enuff for you wingnut deniers??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (b/lt+)

22 An icebreaker ship attempted to cut through the thickening, coldening Antarctic ice, but has failed and was forced to retreat from Nature's Oddly-Cold Warming Onslaught. My schadenboner could break that ice & rescue them. But I'm busy.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (cB3Ay)

23 The Goddess Irony just called. This one made her O-face shine like a supernova. She's still coming down from it.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (EWsrI)

24 Can I claim the Global Warming caused me to not buy insurance and get me out of Obamacare? What if I am gay? What if I am a gay Muslim?

Posted by: Mallamutt, at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (OWjjx)

25 Cataclysmic global Anthropomorphic Climate Change! Null hypothesis? Um, "man has some effect on the climate." One of these things is not like the other!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (IoTdl)

26 Careful, Chuckles the Clown will chastise you--his keen scientific mind honed by years of being fucked by his bicycle has looked at all the evidence and he _believes_.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (VjL9S)

27 I have a new paper called Frozen By Patriarchy: Femynyst Ice Theory in the Journal of Vaginal Studies.

Posted by: Greta Gaard at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (MMC8r)

28

@20 Will the entire carbon footprint of the whole operation be calculated and reported on?

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Not necessary.  Additional Carbon Credits were printed just for this trip.

 

Posted by: junior at December 31, 2013 10:44 AM (UWFpX)

29 Extra-ironic if a polar bear or two wandered over and ate them.
Bet they don't have guns on board to fend off an attack....

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (POpqt)

30 Unfalsifiable beliefs are a very real sign of mental illness.

Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (QupBk)

31 People in the Middle Ages thought they could control the weather too.  They usually carried around eyeballs,  chicken legs and some kind of elixir and worked out of the back of an old wagon.

Posted by: mama winger at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (P6QsQ)

32 The best is the picture of the ghey green member of the Aus parliament doing exercises on the deck, while hundreds of people are risking their lives to save their sorry asses. Wonder who will be paying for the helicopter rescue that has been scheduled? If they abandon the ship, it might sink. All in all a good day for the Environmentalist Nazis.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (0FSuD)

33
Wait!  There was a cruise available and no one told me! Arghhhhh!

Posted by: Capt. Ed Morrissey

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (kdS6q)

34 Everyone knows that this is due to global warming. The overheated North Pole drove some cold to the South Pole. You know, like magnets off opposing fields push each other. And we know the poles are magnetic.

It's sciency.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (eHIJJ)

35 HERETIC!! UNBELIEVER!!! STOOONNNNNEEEE HIIIMMMMMM!!!

Posted by: High Priests of Gaia at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (g3vpi)

36 29 Extra-ironic if a polar bear or two wandered over and ate them. Bet they don't have guns on board to fend off an attack.... Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 03:45 PM (POpqt) That would go way past merely ironic.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (EWsrI)

37 I have seen a gif of a polar bear sneaking up on a seal, who is minding his own bidness on a bit of ice. That is how I am thinking of the stranded scientists.  I hope the bears are hungry and resent them getting stuck in their home.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (baL2B)

38 SS Gilligan's Iceberg SS Donner Passkyia

Posted by: tmitsss at December 31, 2013 10:46 AM (7Rx8v)

39 Extra-ironic if a polar bear or two wandered over and ate them. Bet they don't have guns on board to fend off an attack.... Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 03:45 PM ...........Schadenbear!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:47 AM (FciyD)

40 Thank you dear Lord for these occasional moments of mirth.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 10:47 AM (JpFMR)

41 Hah!

Posted by: Sir Ernest Shackleton at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (bAGA/)

42 Everything bad in the world is due to: 1. Global warming; 2. The Koch brothers; or 3. The Joos. Seriously, look it up people!!!11!

Posted by: wooga at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (vvB6e)

43 Maybe it's hot ice. Our instruments just aren't sophisticated enough to detect the hidden thermal energy, duh. Here, I'll show you in this model...

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (ZshNr)

44 Poor boys. Do their mommies know?

Posted by: Mrs Bush at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (2ArJQ)

45 @42. And BOOOOSSHHH

Posted by: Mallamutt, at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (OWjjx)

46 i.e. Polar BearsÂ…..I had the same thought, but alas, it's Antartica. No polar bears at the south pole.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (JpFMR)

47 *looks around*
*shushes*
(Uh, fellow morons, no polar bears in Antarctica, sorry.
Leopard seals, ok?)

Posted by: Impeachi "Ajabu" Obama at December 31, 2013 10:48 AM (1/4XQ)

48 Posted by: wooga at December 31, 2013 03:48 PM (vvB6e)

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You forgot PostColonial Milk.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (P6QsQ)

49 The funny part is that the sun has been out every damned second they've been stuck down there.

Posted by: t-bird at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (FcR7P)

50 Too bad I wasn't manning the phone when that call came in. After I was done laughing I would have said that since they are so convinced we're all warming they could keep their kooky asses their until Gaia was kind enough to melt the ice for them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (FciyD)

51 34 Everyone knows that this is due to global warming. The overheated North Pole drove some cold to the South Pole. You know, like magnets off opposing fields push each other. And we know the poles are magnetic.

It's sciency.
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Ah, the Unexplained Sinking Effect--not only has it sunk and hidden all the higher temperatures in the lower levels of the ocean, it has now sunk cold from the North Pole to the South.

Gravity must be involved.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (VjL9S)

52 The eco-nazis often say that 97% of scientists agree with Global Warming. That poll was of anyone who can plausible claim to be a "scientist". In included psychologists and anthropologists and biologists. Polls of scientists with degrees in relevant fields shows it's only about 50%.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (ZPrif)

53 30 Unfalsifiable beliefs are a very real sign of mental illness. Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 03:45 PM (QupBk) Oliver Stone said to watch out for guys like you.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (EWsrI)

54 If only they had a hockey stick or two to hack away at that ice....

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (POpqt)

55 Moreover, until the asteroid hits, we don't have a throttle on the sun's output. Posted by: la vache qui rit,qui est lĂ  pour vous dire ce qui est ce que at December 31, 2013 03:41 PM (1/4XQ) I wish that were true. The Warmists are discussing artificially cooling the planet with atmospheric dust or aerosols. Unfortunately, cooling the planet is very doable. In fact with present technology we could cool the planet fairly quickly. Of course that could cause another prolonged ice age and kill billions of people

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (sOtz/)

56 Now I have an urge to watch March of the Penguins.

Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (QupBk)

57 That's just cold.

Posted by: Ice Cube at December 31, 2013 10:50 AM (2ArJQ)

58 The worst thing about the possibilities of Global Cooling vs Global Warming is that Global Cooling has actually happened before in recent human history. Another mini-Ice Age would really, really suck and make humanity much poorer and life in general much harder.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 10:50 AM (ZPrif)

59 No polar bears at the south pole. Global Warmening killed the polar bears?!

Posted by: MSNBC at December 31, 2013 10:50 AM (FcR7P)

60 It's like that Hunting Sasquatch show where the complete absence of evidence is confirmation of Bigfoot's incredible talent for hiding. That's how you know you're right on top of 'em!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (+lsX1)

61
Is Global Warming Hope and Climate Change a religion?

Um, no; more like a bizarro religion.


"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
Matthew 18:20

But every time a group of Warmists gather in the name of their Green god, something like this Always occurs. Weird, eh?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (afIp+)

62 The penguins are selling them pictures of their vacation in Hawaii.

Even the Penguins in Madigascar said, after reaching Anarctica, "this sucks"

You'd think these braniacs would watch some first-hand knowledge from local products (even tho they came from the Bronx zoo....)

Posted by: fred zeppelin at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (zL/eJ)

63 It's 6 degrees where I am.  I'd appreciate all the warming I can get.

Who died and left these clowns in charge of the ideal temperature?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (P6QsQ)

64 Dr. Evil stole the missing heat.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (EWsrI)

65 It's going to be 16 below here tonight without windchill. Faster please!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:51 AM (FciyD)

66 It is important to keep in mind while reading this and the post below is that it is we knuckledraggers who are anti-science and believe in a lot of hokum superstition.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (E+uky)

67 >>No polar bears at the south pole.

Because of Global Warming, right? Right??!!??

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (POpqt)

68
Description of the cruise from the booking site:

Our vessel, MV Akademik Shokalskiy, is well-experienced in these waters. She will carry a mixture of scientists and a limited number of fare-paying passengers.

As a passenger you will be invited to act as a field assistant to help the scientists complete their ambitious programs. Your involvement will of course be voluntary and it may vary throughout the journey...

http://tinyurl.com/lr4wxt3



And if we become entombed in ice, expect to become lunch.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (kdS6q)

69 @55 Your are, of course, correct, fellow moron. Note that meteor dust will cool the earth, while the sun's output remains unthrottled.
I mis-stated the issue.

Posted by: Impeachi at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (1/4XQ)

70 Bush is due to the Koch Brothers. Post colonial milk? Louis Pasteur sounds kind of Jewish.

Posted by: wooga at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (vvB6e)

71 @42. And RAAAAACISM !!!

Posted by: Adriane... at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (m3Cp/)

72 There are no polar bears in Antarctica, only Zuul!

Posted by: Dana Barrett at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (dCwZe)

73 It's not nice to fool Mother Nature... bitches.

Posted by: Mother Nature at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (2ljO9)

74 I prefer the more vulgar appellation of the venerable yeti/Sasquatch: Skunk Ape.

Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (QupBk)

75 Did anyone else read the comments on the Mother Jones article linked in the side bar? Oh my GOD, they are still blaming BUSH for everything. It's like they are stuck in 2006. I had low expectations going in, but wow.....

Posted by: thermadin at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (W+08+)

76 I'm not seeing in any of these articles where the ship was doing global warming research. They say something about retracing another explorer's route or something. Am I missing that part?

Posted by: Joe at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (arYBc)

77 The funny part is that the sun has been out every damned second they've been stuck down there. Then they are totes fucked if that is summer then. Wait until winter hits.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (cB3Ay)

78 Even better, the Chinese ice breaking ship now may be frozen in the ice as well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276 Had I known science was so ironic I might have studied harder.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (g1DWB)

79 I think we should make the ship into a permanent reef. With the "scientists" still onboard. We'll call it the Reef of Ignorance!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (FciyD)

80 We need more fiction with eco-nazis as the bad guys. Like 12 Monkeys.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (ZPrif)

81 60 It's like that Hunting Sasquatch show where the complete absence of evidence is confirmation of Bigfoot's incredible talent for hiding. That's how you know you're right on top of 'em! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 31, 2013 03:51 PM (+lsX1) Let's bang sticks on tree trunks.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (EWsrI)

82 She will carry a mixture of scientists and a limited number of fare-paying passengers.

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Wait.  You mean people PAID to go on this thing? 

hahahahahaha!

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 10:54 AM (P6QsQ)

83 @79 I spat out a mouthful of Schaefer's on the bar!

Posted by: Impeachi "Ajabu" Obama at December 31, 2013 10:54 AM (1/4XQ)

84 The name of the ship? The Goretanic.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 31, 2013 10:54 AM (P1WNR)

85
Speaking of which, why does every Doctor Who Christmas Special hint that the Doctor is Christ?

If you notice, it's all about gathering in the Doctor's name or everyone saying "Doctor" that Saves them all.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 10:54 AM (afIp+)

86 This sounds like the beginning of a sequel John Carpenter's "The Thing." Idiot scientists get stranded in the Antarctic. They go around digging in the ice and wake something up. Mayhem ensues.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (zeV2E)

87 I should at least be kind and ship them some suntan lotion and Postcolonial Milk.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (FciyD)

88 Asshole Atoll

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (ZshNr)

89 1. Alarmingly warm temperatures: Summer? 2. Alarmingly cold temperatures: Winter? 3. Alarmingly mild temperatures: Spring/Fall? Just a guess.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (mETGQ)

90 So how many people are on this ship and what can they do to get them off?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (BC6cY)

91 Cold? Maybe they could make Post-Colonial Ice Cream!

Posted by: Greta Gaard at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (MMC8r)

92 “The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.” -- G. K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (Mt8eo)

93 Let me know when its time to start eating the sled dogs.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (8ZskC)

94 When crazy people do odd shit like this, it's usually ok to go ahead and call them a "cult".

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (lQ5/A)

95 Uh, didn't an expedition in WOODEN shops take the exact same route 100 years ago? If I didn't "know any better", I would come to the conclusion that it's getting colder - not warmer. Nah

Posted by: Mike Giles at December 31, 2013 10:55 AM (QM4YC)

96 @46 You beat me too it, BUT those killer penguins might show up, if they can across the Drake Passage.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (0FSuD)

97 29 "Extra-ironic if a polar bear or two wandered over and ate them. Bet they don't have guns on board to fend off an attack...." The polar bears have all migrated to the North Pole for the season. Summer at the South Pole ... it's simply Not Done.

Posted by: Reginald van Heusen, Cork Master at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (FlRtG)

98 As Crichton said, Environmentalism is a fundamentalist religion. Hot outside? Proof of global warming. Cold? Proof of global warming. Good fortune befalls you? Proof God exists - your prayer was answered. Bad fortune? Proof God exists - He works in mysterious ways/All prayers are answered, even when the answer is "no."

Posted by: angler at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (+zZOH)

99
Heh.... life imitates art.

I never enjoyed an ending to book more thoroughly than when the environmentalists got dropped of naked in the Amazon to survive on their own in Clancy's Rainbow Six.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (nELVU)

100 All that global warming has to be hiding somewhere. My money is on Al Capone's vault. GERALDOOOOOOOooooool!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (g4TxM)

101 Helicopter, a dozen at a time, to a ship 15 miles away, weather permitting flight. About 70 total passengers I think.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (ZshNr)

102 Our vessel, MV Akademik Shokalskiy, is well-experienced in these waters. She will carry a mixture of scientists and a limited number of fare-paying passengers. As a passenger you will be invited to act as a field assistant to help the scientists complete their ambitious programs. Your involvement will of course be voluntary As a fare paying passenger, you are damn right it will be voluntary. And my answer would be "Hell no!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (cB3Ay)

103 Eco-Cultists are the new Jim Jones. I don't care if they drink the Kool-Aid. But they are trying to force the rest of us to drink the Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (ZPrif)

104 90 So how many people are on this ship and what can they do to get them off? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 03:55 PM (BC6cY) Why are you talking about fapping at a time like this?

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (EWsrI)

105 >>So how many people are on this ship and what can they do to get them off? 74. And they have been talking about using a helicopter to ferry them over to the Chinese ship but it appears that plan my be FUBARed as the Chinese ship may be stuck in the ice as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (g1DWB)

106
I'm not concerned about the fate of those scientists, but I am very concerned about protecting the baby seals. 

Posted by: Liberal PETA Moonbat at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (pJF+c)

107 Where's the group photo of everybody in their onesies drinking hot chocolate as they sing the songs of Gaia on the poop deck?

Posted by: Pj boy pouting at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (hpgw1)

108 The Chinese icebreaker's captain Ica Tu Thick released a statement saying that they were trying to use the scientists hot air to melt the ice around the ship.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (FciyD)

109 Come out on the ice floe.  Really, it's totes safe.

Posted by: A Leopard Seal at December 31, 2013 10:58 AM (8ZskC)

110 Tourists? Tourists!? Jeebus, these people could have gone to Barbados, and they picked trip to the snow cap. And there aren't even any ski lifts there. Shit, ya wanna look at snow and ice, come to my backyard, dumbasses. I spent Saturday shoveling my walks and roof raking a ton of snow off my roof, and it's snowing again! I want some of that f**king global warming here in Michigan.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 31, 2013 10:58 AM (RxVu7)

111 @69 Dust is more like the brakes that the throttle, but whatever. Don't let them do it! We will all freeze to death!

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 10:58 AM (sOtz/)

112 btw The driest winter here on record. I'm gonna blame something.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 31, 2013 10:58 AM (mETGQ)

113 Looks like the penguins have arrived. See picture of Chinese boat rescue with killer penguin looking on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276 They smell blood!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 10:58 AM (0FSuD)

114 90 So how many people are on this ship and what can they do to get them off? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 03:55 PM (BC6cY) Phrasing my good man, phrasing. Although, stuck out there for a week? I'm betting a fair amount of relations has been going on. What else is there to do? Watch ice melt?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 10:59 AM (JpFMR)

115 I'm not seeing in any of these articles where the ship was doing global warming research. They say something about retracing another explorer's route or something. With the exact same results. Minus the cannabalism. For now.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:59 AM (cB3Ay)

116 The Emperor Penguin can smell fear from 50 Km away. It draws them.

Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 10:59 AM (QupBk)

117 I looked at the whole polar bear situation recently, and it was classic. If you looked at it, and didn't think, you'd say "See? The polar bear are disappearing due to AGW!" That, because of all the red boxes saying "high probability of [a given polar population's] decline. But if you actually looked at the data, you'd notice other things: 1) 5 of the 19 polar bear populations have NO DATA. Theoretically, most of the polar bears in the world could be in those 5, and what happens in the other is irrelevant. That's probably not the case, but the point is, unless you have data on ALL the populations, you can't say that the numbers are going one way or another. 2) Those 5 mystery populations are the ones in Russia. My first thought was that the Russians have better things to do than count bears (they don't need AGW for their version of socialism), but they'd probably at least let foreigners in. So the better theory is that it TOO F-ING cold and generally inhospitable to go there and count them. Which makes the idea that they are endangered by warming especially hilarious. 3) Actual census data of bears, as I had heard, show the North American population had quadrupled, due to hunting restrictions. 4) The "very likely declining" stuff comes from "estimates". They don't say how the estimates are made, there are no error bounds, and no numbers on how quickly the likely decline will likely be. Hilariously, they've been making the same claim for some time, but keep giving the SAME estimate for the population anyway. Oh, and some of these "likely declining" populations only have a couple hundred bears. They could die off completely and only make a small dent in the overall population. Polar bears survived the warming period where the Vikings settled in Greenland and had vineyards. The idea that they're endangered is ridiculous.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 10:59 AM (saDM3)

118 You know, while you're waiting for rescue, now would be a great time to talk about Obamacare with one another.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (FciyD)

119
.... copy that.   We're steaming full ahead to assist.... in our non-ice rated vessels....

Posted by: Sea Shepherds at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (nELVU)

120 I suppose we're already destined for a TV movie on this. A few more days and we're talking full cinematic feature. Get Dreyfuss and Steenbergen on the horn, stat.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (ZshNr)

121
I'm betting a fair amount of relations has been going on.


Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 03:59 PM (JpFMR)


I feel left out of the action dammit~

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (pJF+c)

122 >>They smell blood!

It's like the lions or hyenas scouting out the weakest of the herd. These people are singing and chanting like it's a party. Bizarre.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (POpqt)

123 What else is there to do? Watch ice melt? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 03:59 PM (JpFMR) I am betting the ship is going to start smelling like a shrimp boat any day now, what with all the lesbos.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (0FSuD)

124 That Iceberg they ran into, Inconvenient, Truth.

Posted by: tmitsss at December 31, 2013 11:00 AM (7Rx8v)

125 @94 Tha's right!
"OK, e'rbody, on three, chant 'Si se puede! Si se puede!'"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nl96g9w

Posted by: Impeachi "Ajabu" Obama at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (1/4XQ)

126 Who would have a soundtrack for this?

Posted by: Alanis Morissette at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (AWmfW)

127 The "experts" shouldn't be concerned because in no time at all the big bad global warming will come along and melt all of the ice. They should wait there until June or July when it does

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (JivuR)

128 107 Where's the group photo of everybody in their onesies drinking hot chocolate as they sing the songs of Gaia on the poop deck? Posted by: Pj boy pouting at December 31, 2013 03:57 PM (hpgw1) http://tinypic.com/r/ae9no7/5

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (JpFMR)

129 I'm not seeing in any of these articles where the ship was doing global warming research. They say something about retracing another explorer's route or something. Am I missing that part? Posted by: Joe at December 31, 2013 03:53 PM (arYBc) The media is systematically covering up that part because it's just too detrimental to the Warmist religion. They were tracing the explorer's steps in order to document climate change. Which they did, just not the kind they wanted.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (sOtz/)

130 6 The cruel irony of the situation is that the media types funding the junket outfitted the ship with all kinds of communications and video transmission gear - so we get to see their failure in color. Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 03:41 PM (4JkHl) Nah, we won't get to see their failure in color. We would only get to see their SUCCESS in color, if they were having any, which they are not and will not. Now if we had some conservative mass media, maybe the rest of America would hear what a bunch of doofuses they are.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (bb5+k)

131 I am betting the ship is going to start smelling like a shrimp boat any day now, what with all the lesbos.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 04:00 PM (0FSuD)


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Hamsters dude.   She smells like a Hamster.

Posted by: Sea Shepherds at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (nELVU)

132 You know what goes great with fresh penguin? Some climate researcher with a down parka on the side.

Posted by: A Leopard Seal at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (8ZskC)

133 ‘True Science’ vs ‘Cargo-Cult Science’ (Quoted from an article- below) by Professor Frank J. Tipler The great Nobel Prize particle physicist Richard Feynman defined science in bold type, in his article “What is Science?” Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. Feynman: “When someone says, ‘Science teaches such and such,’ he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn’t teach anything; experience teaches it. If they say to you, ‘Science has shown such and such,’ you should ask, ‘How does science show it? How did the scientists find out? How? What? Where?’ It should not be ‘science has shown.’ And, you have as much right as anyone else, upon hearing about the experiments and after hearing all the evidence, to judge whether a sensible conclusion has been arrived at.” Feynman also observed that real science was a method for discovering facts about our world, and required bending over backwards not to fool others, and especially not to fool oneself. He said it was particularly easy to fool oneself, and so required the greatest dilligence and openness to criticism and disproof to avoid being that fool. *** And so how does this apply to the "science" behind global warming/climate change? (thoughtful puzzlement follows, with chin scratching)

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (dCwZe)

134 Not that I have heard any of the expedition members whining, but if they do, I will just point them to the history of the Shackleton expedition.

Posted by: Lost in Maryland at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (xbogj)

135 The only thing strong enough to break through that ice is my schadenboner.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (UAMVq)

136 What, you wanted a helicopter rescue? Sorry, I thought you said JDAM strike. Sorry about that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (FciyD)

137 I bet they resorted to cannibalism within 8 hours of being stranded.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (zeV2E)

138

Scientists trapped in ice? Mmmmm *slurp*

Posted by: The Thing From Another World

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (kdS6q)

139 We Stuk Tu, 1st mate on the rescue ship, said that shit was all retarded and that he feared Yeti attacks.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (P1WNR)

140 So how many people are on this ship and what can they do to get them off? Penguin pr0n?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (cB3Ay)

141 The eco-nazis often say that 97% of scientists agree with Global Warming. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 03:49 PM (ZPrif) It's actually worse than you describe it. There have been two "97%" studies, the first whittled down several thousand responses to less than a hundred to produce the number, which was, of course, nonsense. The second was a group of activists who secretly rated arbitrarily selected published papers to "intuit" the beliefs of the authors, some of which have been demonstrated directly as the reverse of the conclusion. When someone lies *that much* you have to figure they might be hiding something, probably more lies. Anyone who quotes the 97% figure is either bone-shatteringly ignorant or a liar. It's just nonsense.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (qyfb5)

142 Who would have a soundtrack for this?

Posted by: Alanis Morissette at December 31, 2013 04:01 PM (AWmfW)


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♪ You're as cold as ice....♫


Posted by: Foreigner at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (nELVU)

143 The penguins just ordered a pallet of BBQ sauce.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (EWsrI)

144 Wish I had the disposable income to take a trip like that.  But I would spend my 'volunteer assistant' time mercilessly mocking their attempts at 'science' and asking stupid questions like "what effect does the natural solar cycles have on temperature fluctuations?"

Posted by: DishofRed at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (Dmq63)

145 118 You know, while you're waiting for rescue, now would be a great time to talk about Obamacare with one another. Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 04:00 PM ( I'll make the hot chocolate!

Posted by: Pajama Boy at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (0FSuD)

146 Have they named their winter storm yet?

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 31, 2013 11:03 AM (lQ5/A)

147 do you think if Rod Serling were around we'd get an episode about this? I know there was a Bugs Bunny cartoon and some Bloom County strips on the subject so I guess it's possible. 
And don't mention the one with Lois Nettleton, I still get horny thinking about that one.

Posted by: Mallfly at December 31, 2013 11:04 AM (bJm7W)

148 I bet they resorted to cannibalism within 8 hours of being stranded.


You suck one lousy dick and suddenly everyone's calling you a cannibal.

Posted by: A Climate Researcher Who Now Digs Cannibalism at December 31, 2013 11:04 AM (8ZskC)

149 As a liberal explained to me - you've got to understand - the Earth is not a closed system, and you just can't expect average warming to be reflected everywhere. 

Sort of like how your oven can have a corner that's frozen solid while the middle is 350 deg F.  

Anyways, 1 deg C over a century is a big deal - can you even imagine the horrors of that sort of temperature swing?   Why, think about the difference between morning and noon temperatures and extrapolate!   The horror, the horror.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 31, 2013 11:04 AM (ioT3q)

150 Anyone who quotes the 97% figure is either bone-shatteringly ignorant or a liar. It's just nonsense.

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Shhhhhh .....  don't tell you-know-who.  You'll never get a bike ride again.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:04 AM (P6QsQ)

151 That poll was of anyone who can plausible claim to be a "scientist". In included psychologists and anthropologists and biologists. Polls of scientists with degrees in relevant fields shows it's only about 50%. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 03:49 PM (ZPrif) A few years ago, Scientific American did an article soliciting and publishing the opinions of 50 scientists on this issue. I noticed immediately that all the zoologists and entomologists believed in it, while the physicists did not.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 11:05 AM (bb5+k)

152 Looks like you blew a seal.

Posted by: Disembodied Punchlines at December 31, 2013 11:05 AM (8ZskC)

153 Does anyone have the original news announcement for the stuck ship?  I saw it a week or so ago on their website but it is gone now. 

Posted by: Registered Voter at December 31, 2013 11:05 AM (BGFPo)

154 Cold bad.  Warm good.

Posted by: Ugh the caveman at December 31, 2013 11:06 AM (wAQA5)

155 God dammit send some of that global warming to Chippewa County Wisconsin

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 11:06 AM (HVff2)

156 I'm not concerned about the fate of those scientists, but I am very concerned about protecting the baby seals. Posted by: Liberal PETA Moonbat at December 31, 2013 03:57 PM (pJF+c) I would rather see the power grubbing scientists clubbed in the head.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 11:06 AM (bb5+k)

157 I disagree that the AGW hypothesis is irrefutable. As of this year, you can plot out where all the climate models said the temperature would go, and compare it to where it actually went. If I'm not mistaken, the current temperature is below where ALL the models said it would be. The theory is the models, and the models are the theory. Since they have made predictions that have NOT come true, they have been refuted. You just have to make sure that you dig up and use their original predictions, because they cheat, and move their previous results, to try to match the data better. On a side note, it's hilarious that they would call the science "settled" (as if there IS such a thing) when there's something like 30 models. If it was "Settled", there would only be one model, and it would accurately predict the future.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 11:06 AM (saDM3)

158 Let's all hope the "researchers" have nice jammies and lots of hot chocolate

Posted by: kimoloka at December 31, 2013 11:07 AM (AB/W0)

159 nerdygirl: "Tourists? Tourists!?"

No kidding. You're going to be on an industrial boat. And it's going to be cold. Really, really cold. And there's going to be ice. Miles and miles of miles and miles of it.

You know, the novelty of it might last a day. Then you're stuck (even if you're not) for weeks. I mean a TV test pattern is interesting for a second or two, but then you realize it's just a test pattern.

I guess their next trip is to set up shop in the Sahara 'cause sand dunes look interesting.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2013 11:07 AM (eHIJJ)

160 One of the pics I saw I think on the Guardian site was one of the idiots on deck doing yoga stretches. Ugh. Be a shame if they couldn't get rescued...

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 11:08 AM (FciyD)

161 Anyone who quotes the 97% figure is either bone-shatteringly ignorant or a liar. It's just nonsense. AKA 99% of Slashdot.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 31, 2013 11:08 AM (IoTdl)

162
Guaranteed prediction:

They will come out of this and do an interview saying this only reinforced their beliefs of man-made climate change.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 11:08 AM (afIp+)

163 Global Warming theory is almost entirely based on computer models which have turned out to be massively wrong. Computer models that are so crude they don't even model huge aspects of the system -- like clouds.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

164 I saw that pic. The pose is called Downward Facing Stupid

Posted by: kimoloka at December 31, 2013 11:09 AM (AB/W0)

165 You are all deniers and I bet you deny the holocaust and you are all anti-science because it is all accepted fact and stuff!!1!

Posted by: Reddit at December 31, 2013 11:09 AM (AymDN)

166 >>Does anyone have the original news announcement for the stuck ship?


Some more detail: http://preview.tinyurl.com/lovebvg

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (POpqt)

167 Anyone else hope they're never rescued?

Posted by: SlapNutz at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (vVSAz)

168 @157 That's about right. I think all but two models have broken out below their 90% 'confidence' intervals. The real scientists have moved on from CO2 to cosmic ray cloud seeding and the sun.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (sOtz/)

169 So, the $64,000 question? Who the fuck is paying for all this shit?? Want to bet there is some government "research" money involved?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (0FSuD)

170 I bet a leopard seal will deliver a candygram one of these days.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (EWsrI)

171 "Stuck ship" haha

Posted by: kimoloka at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (AB/W0)

172 When any possible outcome is considered "evidence" of the truth of the proposition, it's religion, not science.

Rising temperatures, extreme weather, melting ice caps = Steady temperatures, lack of extreme weather, growing ice caps.

If the only point of the exercise is the conclusion, and the conclusion is predetermined, the data points don't really matter, do they?

Posted by: Adjoran at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (473jB)

173 Have they named their winter storm yet? Not yet. It's still summer down there.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (cB3Ay)

174 Best comment I've on this is from David Burge:

"In Soviet climate science boat, data collects YOU"

Posted by: Ira Allen at December 31, 2013 11:10 AM (mxeAx)

175 The scientific term for impacted stool

Posted by: kimoloka at December 31, 2013 11:11 AM (AB/W0)

176 I keep the following in my iPhone: In the last several years, weÂ’ve seen that warm weather in Texas is the result of global warming; cold weather in England is the result of global warming; a powerful hurricane is the result of global warming, and when the next year has far fewer hurricanes, thatÂ’s also the result of global warming. Not only are results determined retroactively, but measurements are defined not when the prediction is made, but after the proof is required. Temperatures in the past are continually recalibrated when it looks like warming hasnÂ’t occurred using the old measurements. That isn't science. Science is making measurable predictions: predictions that specify in advance both what will happen and how it will be measured. By definition scientific theories are falsifiable: when their predictions fail to come true, they have been shown to be false. Moving the end of the world into the future every time it fails to happen isnÂ’t science: itÂ’s religion. Since I started keeping this at the ready, I havenÂ’t had to worry about people wanting to talk to me about global warming. (The same note also keeps their predictions, such as a 12-foot rise in ocean level by 2016 made in 2006.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 31, 2013 11:11 AM (WX3R9)

177 @163 Ban dihydrogen monoxide!!eleventy!

Posted by: Impeachi "Ajabu" Obama at December 31, 2013 11:11 AM (1/4XQ)

178 >>Global Warming theory is almost entirely based on computer models which have turned out to be massively wrong. It was never about the climate, it was about control. Everything statists do is based on one principle, control.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2013 11:11 AM (g1DWB)

179 re 141: there's a third basis for the 97 percent claim: I recall reading that (paraphrasing) "97 percent of the people most published in the peer reviewed climate science journals agree that global warming /climate change is real and pricipally caused by man"... but think about it, the global warming crowd took control of those journals over the past 20 years or so, so it's no wonder that the most published writers agree with what they agree with. (I hope that made sense...)

Posted by: Mallfly at December 31, 2013 11:12 AM (bJm7W)

180 That's about right. I think all but two models have broken out below their 90% 'confidence' intervals. I don't believe that any of the current models have been shown to work for past history. If you can't play the imputs backwards and get known temperature trends, you haven't got shit.

Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 11:12 AM (QupBk)

181 Hey, put some ice on it and get back in the game, sucker.

Posted by: Panther's Steve Smith at December 31, 2013 11:12 AM (0FSuD)

182 The nifty thing about weather is, it always changes

Posted by: kimoloka at December 31, 2013 11:12 AM (AB/W0)

183 167 Anyone else hope they're never rescued? Posted by: SlapNutz at December 31, 2013 04:10 PM (vVSAz) My nic says it all, fuck yeah

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 11:12 AM (HVff2)

184 The scientific term for impacted stool. Fecal impaction? http://tinyurl.com/md3q5fc

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (IoTdl)

185 I noticed immediately that all the zoologists and entomologists believed in it, while the physicists did not. More grant money to be gained by studying the impact of global warming on animals and insects than its impact on the law of gravity...

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (VUDJK)

186
Its also ironic that Algore predicted the ice would be totally gone by the end of 2013.

By my calculations......  that will be in about 8 hours.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (nELVU)

187 The science is settled. The planet is warming and will boil, just like how the sun revolves around the Earth. http://tinyurl.com/mu74m4r http://tinyurl.com/n7v4t3j

Posted by: Claudiu Ptolemy at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (AymDN)

188 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 31, 2013 04:11 PM (WX3R9) It's much like a conspiracy theory. All the evidence that shows there is no conspiracy is really evidence of how well the conspiracy was planned and carried out. You can never convince them.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (EWsrI)

189 This is proof that our sustainable initiatives are having a direct impact on global climate change. You clingers just don't understand how these things work. (slams door of Nissan Leaf and whirs off into the cold sunset...)

Posted by: Richard Greentard at December 31, 2013 11:14 AM (XLoA6)

190 174 Best comment I've on this is from David Burge: "In Soviet climate science boat, data collects YOU" Posted by: Ira Allen at December 31, 2013 04:10 PM (mxeAx) That is very good.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 11:14 AM (bb5+k)

191

>>You just have to make sure that you dig up and use their original predictions, because they cheat, and move their previous results, to try to match the data better.
.

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.Engaging motorized goal posts in ....3....2....1.....

Posted by: Michael Mann at December 31, 2013 11:14 AM (BGFPo)

192

I'm kinda starting to look at this like a Theodoric of York skit on SNL.

 

You know, the medieval Book of Laws. "Throw them into the ice! If they're lying, the ice will reject them but if they're telling the truth they will freeze! There's nothing to worry about!"

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 11:15 AM (3ZtZW)

193 Per WUWT: Turns out this “research” vessel was mostly a taxpayer funded junket for getting video stories to BBC in the UK and ABC in Australia.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 31, 2013 11:15 AM (POpqt)

194 I don't believe that any of the current models have been shown to work for past history. If you can't play the imputs backwards and get known temperature trends, you haven't got shit. Posted by: toby928© attempts the triple and but mostly construction at December 31, 2013 04:12 PM (QupBk) Yes. None of them can correctly 'predict' the past. They are all wrong, it's just a question of the degree to which they have been proven wrong, so far. Obviously, absent major manipulation of the data (which will happen) the globe will be shown to be cooling in 2013.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 11:15 AM (sOtz/)

195 So the captain on the ship is thinking...... http://tinyurl.com/9qop9ok

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 11:15 AM (0FSuD)

196 Latest report from The Akademik Shokalskiy: ... supplies of Primus stove fuel almost exhausted ... ... scientists clubbing each other for parkas ... ... fights over penguin skins and meat erupting ... ... Kool Aid frozen ...

Posted by: Arbalest at December 31, 2013 11:16 AM (FlRtG)

197 Orcas live amongst the pack ice. Doc, get a pic with Willie!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:16 AM (cB3Ay)

198 Why do they want to get off the ship?  They clog up all the toilets already with their bullshit?

Posted by: wth at December 31, 2013 11:16 AM (wAQA5)

199 At least the got ice for Margaritas.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (mETGQ)

200 BTW, any updates on Steyn v. Mann? I will do the Snoopy dance all fucking day if Steyn prevails...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (XLoA6)

201 Just sit right back And you'll hear a tale A tale of a fateful trip, That started from this eastern port, Aboard this Russian ship. The mate was a mighty Onsie' man, The Skipper drunk and demur, Seventy Five passengers set sail that day, For a lie confirming tour, A lie confirming tour. The ice it started getting thick The Russian ship was stuck. If not for the courage of the Chinese crew The Shokalskiy would be fucked. The Shokalskiy would be fucked. The ship set ground on the shore Of this uncharted thick ass ice With Gullibales, The Stupid too. The lesbo millionaire elitist And her wife, The Eco freak, The pseudo professor and pajama boy, Here on Bullshit Isle.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (FciyD)

202 Turns out this “research” vessel was mostly a taxpayer funded junket for getting video stories to BBC in the UK and ABC in Australia. *cut to Yoga-pants dude who is an up-talker* We wanted to show the world what's really happening. *panoramic shot of hippies wailing over carcass of dead penguin* We accidentally dropped anchor on this poor victim of Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Climate Change. When will the leaders of the world listen?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (IoTdl)

203 You can never convince them. Sure you can. You can convince them to STFU.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (WX3R9)

204 "Another mini-Ice Age would really, really suck and make humanity much poorer and life in general much harder."

Such an event would also cause _considerable_ problems for societies which have been attempting to power themselves with solar panels and wind turbines.

"Considerable problems" as in "Lord Humongous and his crew are outside."

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 11:19 AM (gqT4g)

205 If it lasts much longer, I'd expert a few outbursts, crack-ups. There's always a few people prone to that stuff, and being stranded in Antarctica could stress out anyone.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 11:19 AM (ZshNr)

206 Voluminous!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Happy New Years! *horn* at December 31, 2013 11:19 AM (IXrOn)

207 Doc Brown could get them out of there.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:19 AM (EWsrI)

208 Nood old post

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 11:21 AM (JpFMR)

209
Hahahaha..... the comments on the linked AP story have been "closed".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 31, 2013 11:21 AM (nELVU)

210 207 Doc Brown could get them out of there. Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 04:19 PM (EWsrI) But where would he get the 1.21 gigawatts from?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 11:21 AM (UAMVq)

211 Does Obamacare cover frostbite?

Posted by: stranded with a bumch of stinky hippies at December 31, 2013 11:21 AM (wAQA5)

212 If it lasts much longer, I'd expert a few outbursts, crack-ups. There's always a few people prone to that stuff, and being stranded in Antarctica could stress out anyone.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 04:19 PM (ZshNr)


They are probably incapable of imaging that things can actually go wrong when you kcuf with Mother Nature if you are a liberal.  It goes with the world view that any association/interaction a conservative or Republican has with Gaia will end in disaster in some form (usually hurting women and children most of all).

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 11:22 AM (o3MSL)

213 Isn't there a company in the Preston/Child novels that specializes in this stuff? Impossible Engineering Solutions or something?

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 11:22 AM (ZshNr)

214 One time at frozen ship camp, I blew a seal...

Posted by: Greenazi [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 11:22 AM (dwArK)

215
And they have been talking about using a helicopter to ferry them over to the Chinese ship but it appears that plan my be FUBARed as the Chinese ship may be stuck in the ice as well.

This is all getting very Monty Pythonesque. I'm half expecting them to announce a rescue attempt involving Mexican Whooping Llamas.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 31, 2013 11:22 AM (0IhFx)

216 There is so much more ice, Carter's thinking of creating a Habitat for Penguins and Polar Bears. Local, natural resources, galore.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Happy New Years! *horn* at December 31, 2013 11:23 AM (IXrOn)

217 On a side note, it's hilarious that they would call the science "settled" (as if there IS such a thing) when there's something like 30 models. If it was "Settled", there would only be one model, and it would accurately predict the future. Posted by: Optimizer If it was settled, the government should just say "no more grants to study this, it's settled!" It is based on a complex numerical method used to solve a fluid dynamics differential equation. With no boundary conditions. Try, if you will, to solve a differential equation in the real world without boundary conditions. The answers are meaningless. They hide data, methods, code writing, etc., and they wonder why there are skeptics. Everyone, all the time, should have a healthy skepticism of science and assertions about scientific "facts". And yes, if the model was correct, you should be able to put the data in for years of known climate and run it backwards to show what really happened. You can't because their programs run on unbounded differential equations, and always run away to extravagant (and wrong) answers.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 31, 2013 11:24 AM (dCwZe)

218 Posted by: Minnfidel at December 31, 2013 04:18 PM (FciyD)


Oh that was nice. Of course now I can't get that tune out of my head...


Funny thing is about those articles about the ship. How much food they have and such.


Something tells me they are NOT telling the truth...




Posted by: HH at December 31, 2013 11:26 AM (XXwdv)

219 @168 "@157 That's about right. I think all but two models have broken out below their 90% 'confidence' intervals." I'm surprised there's still two. Where can that be checked? I tried to find to data on what the confidence intervals were recently, but they eluded me. But I was left with the impression that their response was to start using 95% confidence intervals (which are even wider), and then say they are "more confident than ever". What I want is to be able to have a date where reality has exited ALL the original confidence intervals. Maybe we can start to put this behind us, if we can start to say that AGW was officially refuted as of that date. Another blogger has pointed out that the "null hypothesis" should be the "no AGW" case, not any of the models, but I haven't heard of a confidence interval for that (in this "Settled science"!)

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (saDM3)

220 I am not a proponent of "global warming" at all. Yet, as a PhD chemical engineer, I keep my options close to my chest. My understanding is that global warming proponents have not been denied by the opponents, but that the proponents' methods have been denied. The proponents' methods have been criticized on the basis of "cheating and stealing". The whole issue of global warming remains in the air [sic]. "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition..." [hat tip to Monty Python]". This unexpected minimum of the solar cycle is worrying. Do we face another mini ice age? Do we have crop failures in our future? The northern plains states that provide wheat, and the mid states that produce corn and wheat might be at risk. You want a beef steak? It might have to be imported from Brazil. Note: The US is the only country that feeds carbos to make the beef fatty and tasty. Go to Amazon and buy a set of very good steak knives. Is there enough electrical generating capacity for home heating at low temperatures 24/7? Do we have, after the US governments' stifling of oil and gas production, enough basic fuel for year-round heating? Can we pay the high cost of 24/7 home heating? My thesis goes on and on... Ice-bound ports world-wide? Heh! Very expensive iPads! We, meaning our government, must plan, if it can. I have my doubts.

Posted by: Quaoar at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (huV3N)

221 I am normally just a lurker, I cant even remember the last time ive commented here, but this subject is one I have studied, read up on, listened, watched, just about anything and everything on and the utter bullshit coming from the likes of Al Bore, Hansen and the other leftist human hating idiots has finally irked me to say something so here goes- These morons (and not the great AceHq ones who hang out here) deserve everything that the unforgiving weather of the Antarctic throws their way, and I mean EVERYTHING. If these unbelievably stupid people spend the rest of the century down there as popsicles they deserve it for being so stupid in their totally made up beliefs and in their worship of that snake oil salesman of the Century, Al "send me your carbon credits" Gore. Im waiting for him to pop up there with a flamethrower in his sweaty greasy hands in a vain attempt to rescue his foolish followers. Thank you, you can now return to your regular viewing. Back to lurking I go.

Posted by: Cycomiko66 at December 31, 2013 11:28 AM (x/MmU)

222 212 If it lasts much longer, I'd expert a few outbursts, crack-ups. There's always a few people prone to that stuff, and being stranded in Antarctica could stress out anyone. It's all researchers and "passengers," (media.) They're spooning for warmth, and having ideological daisy chain sessions. There is a Green Party Senator from Oz who was shown doing Tai-Chi-ish moves on the deck, w/a big smile plastered on her face. Just a blatant staged photo op. I hate these people.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 31, 2013 11:28 AM (XLoA6)

223 We, meaning our government, must plan, if it can. I have my doubts. I disagree completely. The government, as it is today, hobbles efficient use of our resources. Given a cooling scenario like you describe, the government will either get the fuck out of the way or die where they stand.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 11:30 AM (V3kRK)

224 "More grant money to be gained by studying the impact of global warming on animals and insects than its impact on the law of gravity..."

A couple of years ago, I was nosing round a science blog where pro and con AGW arguments were flying hot and fast.

Someone who was actually currently as of that time in the academic science racket asserted that a huge amount of the AGW nonsense is driven by government grant politics.

If you are a biologist and you submit a grant proposal to the feds to study "The Mating Habits Of The Lesser Dewlapped Blue-Footed Mountain Vole", odds are that your proposal will go in the circular file. Government funding for that kind of basic research has been steadily declining for decades now, because the entitlement state is sucking down the money instead.

Whereas if you submit the same proposal and you instead title it "The Effects Of Climate Change Upon The Mating Habits Of The Lesser Dewlapped Blue-Footed Mountain Vole", you're in like Flynn, and you can expect the funds from the feds to be deposited next week.

It's alsmost as though the government has an inherent incentive to fund studies that will lead to a conclusion that will require hugely augmenting the scope, reach, power and cost of government. Danged if I can figure out why.

Let's remind ourselves that the retiring Eisenhower had some things to say about the politicization of science when politicians are the ones writing the checks to the scientists. He warned about that in the very same speech in which he warned about the "military-industrial complex" -- you know, that quote which liberals utterly adore. Yet they get oddly quiet when the rest of the speech is brought up.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 11:30 AM (gqT4g)

225 Couldn't they break the ice by hitting a rabbit in the head with a hammer or does that only work for starting fires?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 31, 2013 11:31 AM (o9Rp5)

226 This is all getting very Monty Pythonesque. I'm half expecting them to announce a rescue attempt involving Mexican Whooping Llamas. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 31, 2013 04:22 PM (0IhFx) Scott of the Antarctic Sahara: http://youtu.be/7qGeapgeDGk?t=5m37s

Posted by: the python's Hat at December 31, 2013 11:35 AM (AymDN)

227 The linked article says that they have weeks worth of food.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:37 AM (BC6cY)

228 @217 *If it was settled, the government should just say "no more grants to study this, it's settled!"* -> Yeah, that too! "It is based on a complex numerical method used to solve a fluid dynamics differential equation. With no boundary conditions." I'm not really buying that. The physical boundaries are the surface of the Earth (and maybe somewhat below it), and the interface with space. Those would have to be integral to any model (hey, that's a pun!). The most important boundary condition would be just setting the global temperature at the beginning of the timeline being calculated. And they'd have to do that, too. As to it not working going backwards, I thought they at least claimed that it did. Not that that matters! The only real test of a model is to make accurate PREDICTIONS.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 11:37 AM (saDM3)

229 Posted by: Cycomiko66 at December 31, 2013 04:28 PM (x/MmU) I also lurk here more than I post , but please lurk less. That comment was very good :-)

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 11:40 AM (R3gO3)

230 My take away from this mess.... The Chinese have one the best named ships ever. I hope the Snow Dragon is painted white with gold trim.

Posted by: lobsterlen at December 31, 2013 11:41 AM (ztKLQ)

231 I almost died laughing @139. Dr. Spank FTW.

Posted by: Gem at December 31, 2013 11:41 AM (zw+pb)

232 like richard dawkins explaining the theory of evolution....

Posted by: hillary bosch at December 31, 2013 11:44 AM (lB/5N)

233 Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 04:37 PM (saDM3)

The interesting point to me is that I have never seen defined is what is the standard "measurement model" that gives an average temperature for the earth.  How many sensors, where located, interpolation rules for both the uninhabitable regions of the Earth (thousands upon thousands of square miles of deserts, ice, and water)  and the thousands of years that no instrumentation existed, let alone was recorded.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 11:44 AM (o3MSL)

234 @224 "...It's almost as though the government has an inherent incentive to fund studies that will lead to a conclusion that will require hugely augmenting the scope, reach, power and cost of government. Danged if I can figure out why. ..." It's a mystery! Like Stonehenge... ;-)

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 11:45 AM (saDM3)

235 @233 You touch upon my pet peeve about how, for example, people debate about how the tree ring data was manipulated, but they don't say "BTW, a tree makes a terrible thermometer, no matter how many measurements you add up, there are nowhere near enough samples to give an indication for the whole Earth, especially since there are none on the 70% of the Earth covered by ocean!!" The only decent global temperature history can come from satellites, and they haven't been around that long. And I'm not even sure about them - they're not the same thing as having a thermometer somewhere, but at least they're global. That being said, you can get some rough ideas about what the climate was at various places and times. One important one is the historical record of the Viking incursion onto Greenland.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 31, 2013 11:51 AM (saDM3)

236 Thank you Donna V. I would comment more but I don't have the quick wit as demonstrated by so many of the regular commenters here, which is why I make Ace's place my first stop everyday before I head out for work at the butt crack of dawn and after I get home from another hellish day of keeping Obama's low info cretins flowing in da money. Im more of the fury of a thousand suns type of person and if I unleaded my true feelings on here that often I think Ace would ban hammer me for sure so I keep my tongue behind my teeth, lurk, and get some great laughs at reading so many of the truly humorous and wonderfully sarcastic remarks that I have ever read on a site. I would swear that George Carlin and Sam Kinison were reincarnated and came back to comment here sometimes I laugh so hard. I will try to comment more often if my anger at the leftist idiots of the world could be kept under control. Thanks for your kind comment.

Posted by: Cycomiko66 at December 31, 2013 11:52 AM (x/MmU)

237 Looks like Captain Sum Ting Wong and 1st Mate Ho Lee Fuk were transferred to the Chinese navy ice breaking ship

Posted by: adagioforstrings at December 31, 2013 11:55 AM (smBk5)

238 "Who the fuck is paying for all this shit??

"Want to bet there is some government "research" money involved?
"

97% of scientists polled agree that taxpayers are paying for all this shit. It's a consensus, Man!

Posted by: Peregrine Took says Climate is Real at December 31, 2013 12:01 PM (yq7ni)

239 When you do look into how they measure the earth's temp the first thing you discover is the urban heat island effect.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:02 PM (sOtz/)

240 How many Huffington Post readers does it take to screw in an incandescent light bulb?

Posted by: thudlike at December 31, 2013 12:07 PM (tpDao)

241 The funniest thing? The idiots trapped in ice are blaming this on global warming. It works like this: Warming is causing ice to slough off from the continent of Antarctica? The problem is: They're encountering multi-year sea ice, which is easily proven by the salt content. And that's growing. At the current rate of growth, the southern ice cap will cut off South America in less than a generation. This doesn't look like Thermageddon to me.

Posted by: theCork at December 31, 2013 12:10 PM (I3ZHb)

242 Global Warming has caused the ice sheet at this location to whither from nearly a meter thick to only 3 meters thick.  Fortunately for these intrepid researchers, their chocolate ration was also increased before they left, so they should be able to hold out until the arrival of the Japanese zeppelin that has been sent to rescue them.  Whew.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 31, 2013 12:10 PM (qIFL7)

243 MV Akademik Shokalskiy aka The Ship of Fools.

Posted by: Lost in Maryland at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (xbogj)

244 From what I understand is that tree rings only show how much moisture happened in a given year, not temps.


I've also read that when the Climate boys tried to show what they thought was temps in the past using tree rings, the analysis fell apart using known temps and tree rings in historical times.


Jesus, might as well  just use casting of chicken bones at that point...

Posted by: HH at December 31, 2013 12:16 PM (XXwdv)

245 Reality is calling on Line 3, Will you pick up? http://tinyurl.com/mx7sysu "Temperature rises resulting from unchecked climate change will be at the severe end of those projected, according to a new scientific study. The scientist leading the research said that unless emissions of greenhouse gases were cut, the planet would heat up by a minimum of 4C by 2100, twice the level the world's governments deem dangerous. The research indicates that fewer clouds form as the planet warms, meaning less sunlight is reflected back into space, driving temperatures up further still. The way clouds affect global warming has been the biggest mystery surrounding future climate change. Professor Steven Sherwood, at the University of New South Wales, in Australia, who led the new work, said: "This study breaks new ground twice: first by identifying what is controlling the cloud changes and second by strongly discounting the lowest estimates of future global warming in favour of the higher and more damaging estimates." "4C would likely be catastrophic rather than simply dangerous," Sherwood told the Guardian. "For example, it would make life difficult, if not impossible, in much of the tropics, and would guarantee the eventual melting of the Greenland ice sheet and some of the Antarctic ice sheet", with sea levels rising by many metres as a result.... The key was to ensure that the way clouds form in the real world was accurately represented in computer climate models, which are the only tool researchers have to predict future temperatures. When water evaporates from the oceans, the vapour can rise over nine miles to form rain clouds that reflect sunlight; or it may rise just a few miles and drift back down without forming clouds. In reality, both processes occur, and climate models encompassing this complexity predicted significantly higher future temperatures than those only including the nine-mile-high clouds. "Climate sceptics like to criticise climate models for getting things wrong, and we are the first to admit they are not perfect," said Sherwood. "But what we are finding is that the mistakes are being made by the models which predict less warming, not those that predict more." He added: "Sceptics may also point to the 'hiatus' of temperatures since the end of the 20th century, but there is increasing evidence that this inaptly named hiatus is not seen in other measures of the climate system, and is almost certainly temporary." Global average air temperatures have increased relatively slowly since a high point in 1998 caused by the ocean phenomenon El Niño, but observations show that heat is continuing to be trapped in increasing amounts by greenhouse gases, with over 90% disappearing into the oceans. Furthermore, a study in November suggested the "pause" may be largely an illusion resulting from the lack of temperature readings from polar regions, where warming is greatest. Sherwood accepts his team's work on the role of clouds cannot definitively rule out that future temperature rises will lie at the lower end of projections. "But," he said, for that to be the case, "one would need to invoke some new dimension to the problem involving a major missing ingredient for which we currently have no evidence. Such a thing is not out of the question but requires a lot of faith." He added: "Rises in global average temperatures of [at least 4C by 2100] will have profound impacts on the world and the economies of many countries if we don't urgently start to curb our emissions."" The radiative heat transfer effects of carbon dioxide have been well understood and measured for over 100 years, you guys are a couple of centuries behind... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius "Arrhenius developed a theory to explain the ice ages, and in 1896 he was the first scientist to attempt to calculate how changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.[8] He was influenced by the work of others, including Joseph Fourier and John Tyndall. Arrhenius used the infrared observations of the moon by Frank Washington Very and Samuel Pierpont Langley at the Allegheny Observatory in Pittsburgh to calculate the absorption of infrared radiation by atmospheric CO2 and water vapour. Using 'Stefan's law' (better known as the Stefan-Boltzmann law), he formulated his greenhouse law. In its original form, Arrhenius' greenhouse law reads as follows: if the quantity of carbonic acid [H2CO3] increases in geometric progression, the augmentation of the temperature will increase nearly in arithmetic progression. The following equivalent formulation of Arrhenius' greenhouse law is still used today:[9] ΔF = α Ln(C/C_0)" Certainly there is some adolescent fun in laughing at the researchers stuck in the ice, but who has proposed an alternative model that explains how planetary temperatures would not respond to the well documented physics of radiative heat transfer? I learned all that stuff as a mechanical engineering undergraduate decades ago, and nothing has changed in the fundamental physics of heat transfer since then.

Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (gjYWs)

246 Oh my.  The global warming "scientists" brought along their own propaganda section from the UK Guardian and the BBC.  And one of those poor boys obviously can't take it any more.  Meet Guardian video producer Laurence Topham.  He misses his Mommy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2zaXJ2ntJo&feature=youtu.be

It pretty much speaks for it's self, but man oh man what a self absorbed whinny wuss this guy is.  He is warm.  He is fed. He is in a fascinating place on an adventure. He even has a little privacy it appears and obviously the ability to communicate long distances.  He even has an inside sit down toilet.  But he's bored now and want's his Mommy.  Are all global warmist types like that?

Posted by: RAH at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (qx1UM)

247 Must be hard to hear inside the echo chamber. When you refer to "global warmist types" you are referring to over 50% of the world's population, so any stereotype you choose will be inaccurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_opinion_by_country Do 50% of Germans and 80% of Brazilians and 71% of Mexicans want their Mommy? Maybe so, but that has no impact at all on atmospheric physics.

Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (gjYWs)

248 Zod prefers that the stereotypes be accurate. Kneel before Zod, Tommy.

Posted by: General Zod at December 31, 2013 01:30 PM (2+bRt)

249

Gee, tommy, hope you're not engaged in any work where engineering or science might affect someone's life or security.  Your mess of a quoted post nicely mocks your own religious beliefs, rather than substantiating them (so, really?  heat just "disappears" into the oceans?  fascinating)

 

And it isn't the fact that "models" put forth by your religion get the numbers wrong low or high, it's that these random number generators (which is what they are, in practice) don't have any underlying mechanics or model that are proven or even plausible.  The atmosphere/troposphere are not greenhouses, and there is nothing to indicate that they act like them.  Your entire religion proceeds from one of the most basic logical fallacies:  assuming that which is to be proven (for which the non-Latin expression "begging the question" was coined, though that phrase has sadly been hijacked and ruined by conflation with "raising the question").  Laws of radiative heat transfer don't give you anything without understanding the system within such transfer may occur.

 

Even relying on brute correlation, which is not causation, the only significant one is between solar activity and surface temperatures, not atmospheric chemistry (as best all those can be determined through proxies for the needed time range, i.e. about 99% of the time range, which in itself is a fundamental methodological limitation on all analysis of "climate" - there is hardly anything other than crap data, and even that is from a tiny eentsy weentsy portion of the timespan under study, which would be the eons since earth's atmosphere assumed roughly its current composition).

 

Best of all is the giveaway illogical (and in this case, hilarious) challenge of the modern control freak (whichever field of human endeavor they obssess over controlling):  "what's your alternative theory"? 

 

Uh, alernative theory for WHAT?  There is no reason to believe any actual change in global climate (something which doesn't exist, and in which "change" hasn't been documented over any meaningful time frame) currently being observed is not completely "normal" in the billion-plus year history of the atmosphere, and there isn't any understanding of the system (which may not be a system at all) and therefore no way to know if it's even possible for man to affect it. 

 

As has been said before, "anthropogenic global warming" doesn't even rise to the status of hypothesis - it's much more like a casual conjecture.  No system characterized, no understanding of said system (thus no "models" that are other than random number generators), no meaningful data to draw on - just a superficial correlation/causation idea, itself not very plausible on its face.

 

Oh - and if Brazilians and Germans and Mexicans think it's bad (and upsetting!!) for the US to, say, eliminate one of the bloodiest genocidal tyrannies in modern history, as we did in Iraq, what are we supposed to do, bow down to that ridiculous moral imbecility?  Or reject it and do the smart and moral thing? 

 

Here's the deal.  You go find all that missing heat in the deep oceans - and explain how it is that, uniquely in this case .... uh, the "heat transfer mechanism" is fairly well understood within the water column - and get back to us here in the echo chamber.  Ace is funny, and so are many commenters, but methinks your assignment, if carried out, would produce more hilarity than anything else appearing here .....  Happy New Year!

 

Posted by: non-purist at December 31, 2013 01:30 PM (afQnV)

250 Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 05:47 PM (gjYWs) You know, without the water vapor feedback effect, CO2 increases in the tenth of a percentage range won't flood our cities. Some people think clouds can reflect solar energy. Oh, and the models have been SPECTACULARLY wrong. It's not even worth citing... they've been wrong that often. And the proponents seem more preoccupied with global governance under a socialist regime than saving the environment. That can be witnessed by how sanguine they are about windmills slaughtering eagles and bats by the multitude.

Posted by: theCork at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (I3ZHb)

251 "Gee, tommy, hope you're not engaged in any work where engineering or science might affect someone's life or security." Pretty hard to avoid affecting "someone's life or security" in 3 decades of engineering practice. Currently I am a software developer, writing models to simulate energy use in buildings. So I know a bit about modeling/simulation. Of course my team has the advantage that we can empirically verify our model by measuring actual energy use in buildings and comparing it to simulations predictions. Living in the conservative nighmare of Boulder Colorado I know plenty of scientists involved in climate modeling at both the National Center For Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Contrary to your assertion, there are active efforts to model every part of the climate system. For example I have a friend who had done nothing but simulate material, heat, and momentum transfers at the ocean's surface for years. His model is continuously verified against experimental data and is one module included the global climate models. Since I work in modeling I am well aware of the dangers of models diverging from reality. Just as in the article I cited, I know that current climate models have errors. My personal guess is that the model errors are more likely to be in the direction of under-predicting rather than over-predicting climate change (partly because modelers tend to have "cover your ass" reflex as much as anybody, over-predicting makes you reckless, underpredicting is seen as conservative and responsible). Indeed sea level rise has consistently been higher than climate models predicted. http://phys.org/news/2012-11-sea-levels-faster-ipcc.html "Sea-levels are rising 60 per cent faster than the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) central projections, new research suggests... While temperature rises appear to be consistent with the projections made in the IPCC's fourth assessment report (AR4), satellite measurements show that sea-levels are actually rising at a rate of 3.2 mm a year compared to the best estimate of 2 mm a year in the report." So the easiest measurement yardstick for climate change shows that the IIPC under-estimates.

Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 02:49 PM (gjYWs)

252 Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 05:39 PM (gjYWs) Nothing in your post indicated how a trace amount of gas can do what you claim it can do. The Earth is not warming and carbon dioxide levels do not correlate with temperature at all. The variability in the climate is being driven entirely by non-human activity. Your mewling wormy words gain no purchase here.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 03:39 PM (EWsrI)

253 "Nothing in your post indicated how a trace amount of gas can do what you claim it can do." Svante Arrhenius figured that out in 1896, why should I repeat his work... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius "Arrhenius developed a theory to explain the ice ages, and in 1896 he was the first scientist to attempt to calculate how changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.[8] He was influenced by the work of others, including Joseph Fourier and John Tyndall. Arrhenius used the infrared observations of the moon by Frank Washington Very and Samuel Pierpont Langley at the Allegheny Observatory in Pittsburgh to calculate the absorption of infrared radiation by atmospheric CO2 and water vapour. Using 'Stefan's law' (better known as the Stefan-Boltzmann law), he formulated his greenhouse law. In its original form, Arrhenius' greenhouse law reads as follows: if the quantity of carbonic acid [H2CO3] increases in geometric progression, the augmentation of the temperature will increase nearly in arithmetic progression. The following equivalent formulation of Arrhenius' greenhouse law is still used today:[9] ΔF = α Ln(C/C_0) Here C is carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration measured in parts per million by volume (ppmv); C_0 denotes a baseline or unperturbed concentration of CO2, and ΔF is the radiative forcing, measured in watts per square meter. The constant alpha (α has been assigned a value between five and seven.[9] Arrhenius at the first Solvay conference on chemistry in 1922 in Brussels. Based on information from his colleague Arvid Högbom (sv), Arrhenius was the first person to predict that emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels and other combustion processes were large enough to cause global warming. In his calculation Arrhenius included the feedback from changes in water vapor as well as latitudinal effects, but he omitted clouds, convection of heat upward in the atmosphere, and other essential factors. His work is currently seen less as an accurate prediction of global warming than as the first demonstration that it should be taken as a serious possibility....Arrhenius clearly believed that a warmer world would be a positive change. His ideas remained in circulation, but until about 1960 most scientists doubted that global warming would occur (believing the oceans would absorb CO2 faster than humanity emitted the gas). Most scientists also dismissed the greenhouse effect as implausible for the cause of ice ages, as Milutin Milankovitch had presented a mechanism using orbital changes of the earth (Milankovitch cycles). Nowadays, the accepted explanation is that orbital forcing sets the timing for ice ages with CO2 acting as an essential amplifying feedback. Arrhenius estimated that halving of CO2 would decrease temperatures by 4–5 °C (Celsius) and a doubling of CO2 would cause a temperature rise of 5–6 °C.[10] In his 1906 publication, Arrhenius adjusted the value downwards to 1.6 °C (including water vapor feedback: 2.1 °C). Recent (2007) estimates from IPCC say this value (the Climate sensitivity) is likely to be between 2 and 4.5 °C. Arrhenius expected CO2 levels to rise at a rate given by emissions in his time. Since then, industrial carbon dioxide levels have risen at a much faster rate: Arrhenius expected CO2 doubling to take about 3000 years; it is now estimated in most scenarios to take about a century." Pay attention and you can leave 19th century science behind, and join the current day. Or you can choose to live in a fog of ignorance and anger, don't be surprised when the world leaves you behind. Nothing religious about following climate science, as the science changes so will the prediction. But people who ignore the science with blind belief (in either direction) will always be wrong.

Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 03:57 PM (gjYWs)

254 What? No Polar Bears at the South Pole? Global Warming Climate Change!

Posted by: mikey at December 31, 2013 04:04 PM (JE/54)

255 "...and political correctness requires that you never notice the obvious. Which is part of Orwell's Doublethink." Actually it's Crimestop. Practically everything about race, the knockout game, affirmative action, mass immigration etc. also requires white people to exercise Crimestop. You have to be protectively stupid, otherwise you will notice things that it's criminal for a white person to notice. The truth hits you in the face - literally when it comes to the Knockout Game / Polar Bear Hunting / Beat Whitey Night / violent crime statistics and so on. But people find ways not to see the truth, because that's rayciss.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at December 31, 2013 09:04 PM (7vsTr)

256 This story is a gift that keeps on giving for those that believe it is a ship of fools trapped by their own misconceptions.  Now two more ice breakers in addition to the two already there are heading for the area.  USCG Ice breaker Polar Star will be there in 10 days if still needed and an even larger Russian Ice breaker will be there in a month.

The larger ice breakers may be of use if the weather doesn't break to allow the helicopter from the Chinese Snow Dragon to air lift the global warming alarmists from the trapped ship.  So the cost and carbon foot print of the rescue of the "ship of fools" grows mightily. 

One has to wonder if either or both of these ice breakers may be used to try and free the trapped ship even if the people are evacuated.  Seems that sea ice pressure is causing some damage now. And of course the pollution resulting from that ship being crushed and sinking would be a final ironic blow to the credibility of the global warming scientists and their helpers on the expedition who have been claiming declines in some penguin and seal species based on their brief observations compared to those made by Mawson's expedition a century before.

Further Anthony Watts, who's climate blog 'Watts Up With That' is despised by some who believe in AGW has helped fulfill the request of the trapped climate scientists for a more accurate forecast of wind conditions in their area. 

Bottom line right now seems to be that the situation aboard the Akademik Shokalskiy is starting to get a little more grave and threatening because of increasing pressure from the sea ice their leader still claims is "disappearing"  and the sooner they get the AGW faithful and crew off that ship the better for them.

Posted by: RAH at January 01, 2014 07:13 AM (qx1UM)

257 How long does it take for a Vegan to turn cannibal compared to a normal person? I'm also thinking there may be a high percentage of 'psychologically fragile' personality types on board. If things take a turn for the truly grim, the Kumbiyah is going to morph into hysteria. Sort of like 'Alien' remade with an all-female crew. Ripely, last survivor of the Nostromo, signing off.

Posted by: Sigourney weaver at January 01, 2014 10:38 AM (Qm24A)

258 Doctor Phil is not my expert on climate change!

Posted by: burt at January 02, 2014 05:41 AM (1+kJ5)

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