February 28, 2007

Glenn Beck Slaps Up Keith Olbermann
— Ace

Olbermann insists his staff communicate with him via a mailbox outside his office?

Huh. It's good to be the king of bottom-dwelling partisan newscasts.

Allah drops a theory regarding the 1/2 Hour Comedy Hour there. He suggests that conservatives would like the show more if it were either funnier or more savage in cutting up liberals.

Or, of course, both at the same time, though I imagine that's a tricky thing to manage.

So it's a balancing act -- good-natured ribbing vs. savage attacks with less humor value but a whole lot of red-meat catharsis. If that's the case (and it just might be), it's hard to "objectively" pan the show, as it's attempting to find the sweet spot for a broad audience, and any particular person's idea of the sweet spot may be very different from the average.

Maybe that's the case. Though stuff like "B.O." magazine is neither funny nor a cutting attack.

Posted by: Ace at 09:12 AM | Comments (58)
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1

Steward/Colbert/Olbermann will lose their appeal very fast if the Dems win 08 and retain both houses. Raging against the Republican machine is popular because the Republican's have power (not the houses anymore, but the Executive is a pretty potent office).


Between my side retaining power, and being able to rant like crazy, I will take power any day.


Posted by: Tushar D at February 28, 2007 09:18 AM (h76y6)

2 Glenn Beck Slaps Up Keith Olbermann

Once again, "Show For Rightist Morons Triumphs Over Show For Leftist Morons" isn't quite the most glorious victory ever. I can't believe anyone watches any of that idiocy.

Posted by: JSinger at February 28, 2007 09:24 AM (EqFh0)

3

The problem with assuming that Olberdouche and the others will go away if the Dhems take the White House in '08 is that delusional libs have been saying the same thing about Rush Limbaugh since 1988.  In Limbaugh's case, the poorly thought out prediction was that, if a Republican were President, Limbaugh would have to go away because he wouldn't have anything to talk about, and if a Dhem were President, Limbaugh would also have to go away because the country would have finally rejected conservatism.


Either way, Limbaugh would have to go away.  Reality, of course, intervenes every time, much to the collective chargrin of the leftards.


If that's any indicator, I'm afraid we're going to be stuck with Olberdouche permanently now that he's found his incoherent niche.


Posted by: Kensington at February 28, 2007 09:27 AM (kFwRi)

4

hmmm....


You know what the 1/2 Hour Comedy Hour needs?


Mark Russell doing musical riffs on the events of the day.


But being beaten with a pool cue half way through each number.


Which might require the services of a Mark Russell lookalike.


But they probably work cheap.


Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 28, 2007 09:35 AM (Pkdqo)

5 Look, i'm gonna stick my neck out a bit and say that I actually found some bits of the 1/2 hour news hour funny. Yes, I said it....funny.

Granted I would love to stub the toe of the man who's running that laugh track, but other than that the 1/2 hour news hour only suffers (not because it's not funny) being corny. Extremely corny.

But then again....so was Norbit.

As for Glenn Beck. I just wish he would have dug in harder against Olbermann. Keith just reeks of douche-baggyness and someone needs to trash him quickly. Hopefully when Olbermann retaliates against Beck, Glenn won't hesitate to snap back like a doberman.

Posted by: Seferas-H. at February 28, 2007 09:44 AM (fdeNn)

6 I won't be really funny until they make it R rated, like HBO R rated.

They need shows like "Ask Dick Cheneys Cock"

Or "Ride Boltons Mustache" and have celebrities ride a mechanical bull that has been made to look like Boltons glorious mustache.

Shit like that with cutting commentary on liberal hypocrisy. It needs to be more blue collar in its approach, less cute.

Posted by: Uniball at February 28, 2007 09:46 AM (27iEn)

7 I think the quest for a hip, funny conservative comedy show is doomed from the start. Conservatism just isn't all that funny. About the best we can muster is the Ace/P.J. O'Rourke style of regular-guy spitballing. That works very well in print, but I don't think it translates well to television.

The trouble is that comedy is inherently anarchic and destructive. Conservatism, at its heart, is orderly and constructive. We can't just tear down. We're earnest at heart, however rude and cynical we may wish to appear. We care about things -- our country, the truth, freedom, and other foolish ideas liberals mock.

Comics can't care about things. Caring makes you unfunny. Once you care, you become the butt of the joke rather than the joker.

We should take pride in our unfunniness. The Universe is not funny at all.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 28, 2007 09:47 AM (XBGbI)

8 "I won't be really funny until they make it R rated, like HBO R rated."

It not I, sorry about that.


I am such a tard.

Posted by: Uniball at February 28, 2007 09:48 AM (27iEn)

9 I season passed Red Eye, Greg Gutfeld's show. It is ten times funnier than any other show on TV. I don't really watch any cable shows, but for some reason this show just makes me giggle. Greg's mom is the greatest bit on television. It is much improved from the first episodes.
Am I the only one watching this show?

Posted by: Stormy70 at February 28, 2007 10:05 AM (7WJsV)

10 Look the reason that the 1/2hr comedy hour is not apparently funny is that is a hard act to follow real life politics as a conservative and not be weeping with laughter. Like how about this latest Murtha defund situation? It's funnier than watching a old granny be pushed down stairs. That old Marine Murtha needs to be back to logistics training. You don't advance your position until such time as you have the aramenent (eg votes) down to platoon (eg back seaters) level.

Posted by: JohnMc at February 28, 2007 10:18 AM (V213d)

11 Glenn Beck is an embarrassment to real conservatives. He also needs to take a class in public speaking.


Posted by: honest cloud at February 28, 2007 10:19 AM (a6vlD)

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Posted by: marekk at February 28, 2007 10:30 AM (vBIS2)

13

Red Eye is the best show on TV period.  IF you haven't seen it, record it and watch if for no other reason than to stare at Rachel Marsden's legs (I have no doubt they position her where they do for that very reason.)


With that said, there is a slight difference between Rush Limbaugh and KO.  Limbaugh had a long run to build his popularity before having to face a Republican-run government.  He was long-established before that hurdle.  KO is a relative newcomer in that sense.  He is still building a following.  That makes it more difficult.  Additionally, while Limbaugh speaks his mind and can be rough at times, KO is a bomb-thrower.  Roughness and sarcasm almost always work.  Bomb-throwing only works when you have a target to throw the bomb at.


Posted by: Steve L. at February 28, 2007 10:35 AM (hpZf2)

14 > Conservatism just isn't all that funny.

Trimegistus, have you been taking those emerald tablets again? Humor relies on the existence of standards, and the humiliation of those who fail to meet them.

Walk across the room = not funny.

Fail saving throw vs. banana peel, fall on face and/or keister = comedy gold.

Posted by: Guy T. at February 28, 2007 10:37 AM (j02xJ)

15 I wish I were watching RedEye, but its on too damn late, and I don't have a Tivo yet...

Posted by: Sinistar at February 28, 2007 10:37 AM (oHd6r)

16 libs have been saying the same thing about Rush Limbaugh since 1988.

Yeah, but Limbaugh has talent, so it's akin to a comparison between Lebron James and Jon Koncak.

Posted by: RW at February 28, 2007 10:38 AM (nr2qO)

17

Glenn Beck is an embarrassment to real conservatives.


Ok, I'll bite. What's a real conservative and why is Glen Beck an embarrassment to them?


Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 10:46 AM (HfGmJ)

18 anybody wanna help me with the mailbox thing?

Posted by: carl carlson at February 28, 2007 10:58 AM (NOU+T)

19 Glenn Beck is an embarrassment to real conservatives. He also needs to take a class in public speaking.

Oh look, the pretender offers two pointers on Beck.

hc, how in the world would you have a clue what a real conservative thinks about anything?

I mean, unless we tell you.

Your gig is getting lame.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2007 11:03 AM (pzen5)

20 IMO, the best part of that 1/2 hr show was the ACLU spots. That shit was spot on deadly. How far can that be ridden? Conservatism just isn't that funny. Hire Dennis Miller.

Posted by: drolmorg at February 28, 2007 11:19 AM (HB6KQ)

21 Of course, I admittedly don't have a brilliant sense of humor either.

Posted by: drolmorg at February 28, 2007 11:24 AM (HB6KQ)

22 "anybody wanna help me with the mailbox thing?"

It's mentioned in this NY Daily News piece.






Posted by: Pogue M'Hogue at February 28, 2007 11:25 AM (WCg0/)

23 Mark Russell doing musical riffs on the events of the day.

That was some funny shit.

Check out Mark Russell's latest. (He's a stitch!)

Will this stupid speculation about who is the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby ever end? Is it Mary Cheney?

North Korea, our traditional ally since last Tuesday, wants to scrap its nukes for oil. This peaceful gesture should hold until Kim Jong Il falls off the wagon.

Gen. Peter Pace says there is no evidence that Iran is sending weapons to Iraq. By the time you read this, he could be Col. Pace.

One hundred 60 laptops and weapons are missing from the counter-intelligence division of the FBI. Please report any information regarding this to keystonekoppers.com.


Posted by: at February 28, 2007 11:30 AM (rilMu)

24 Deb/Dave,

I pretty much stopped listening to Beck because of things like this.

From the May 11 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: All right, stop the music. I've got to talk. Stu, give me a topic, some butch topic I can talk about for a second, will you?

BURGUIERE: Blowing up Iran.

BECK: Blowing up Iran. I say we nuke the bastards. In fact, it doesn't have to be Iran, it can be everywhere, anyplace that disagrees with me.

Posted by: honest cloud at February 28, 2007 11:42 AM (a6vlD)

25 So it's a balancing act -- good-natured ribbing vs. savage attacks with less humor value but a whole lot of red-meat catharsis.

The red meat-as-humor has never flown.

Getting partisian is usually the death of funny. You may disagree with these choices, but once upon a time Margaret Cho, Al Franken, Rosie O'Donnell and even (gawd I hate to admit this) Dennis Miller were funny.

Posted by: Gordon at February 28, 2007 11:46 AM (cVq/F)

26 I pretty much stopped listening to Beck because of things like this.

I think we've already established that you lack a sense of humor. What I'm trying to get at is what the hell do you know about conservatives and what they like? You read a book or something?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2007 11:49 AM (pzen5)

27 The problem with conservative comedy is that it's generally rooted in deep sarcasm, so it's tough to maintain for extended periods. And as funny as Dennis Miller is, I couldn't take him every night--and I bet it's pretty hard to be "on" that long, that often. Imagine watching Robin Williams every night for a half-hour. 3/4 of what he says is unintelligible gibberish, but it's delivered at such a manic pace, you ride along with him until he really drops something funny. Miller is brilliant, but it's a downer listening to him too often. He'd be better as a special treat now and then--maybe in a weekly commentary role.

As for Beck, it seems like he HAD to respond to Mr. Sportsreader-turned-prophet, so he was holding back--being gentlemanly. The funniest part was the "news" flashes scrolling on the screen... "This just in! Keith Olberman loves Keith Olberman."

Posted by: red speck at February 28, 2007 11:53 AM (Lc9rf)

28 and, as usual, HC misses the joke.



Posted by: wiserbud at February 28, 2007 11:55 AM (1tlBF)

29 He is the Olbermannekin- Olbermannekin Olbermannekin.

Posted by: John425 at February 28, 2007 12:16 PM (nGlrt)

30

Limbaugh had a long run to build his popularity before having to face a Republican-run government.  He was long-established before that hurdle.


Not so!  Limbaugh started doing political talkradio during the Reagan years, and his national program began in August 1988, right before George H.W. Bush became president.  Now apparently his ratings increased during the Clinton years, but he was an established hit almost immediately out of the gate, a good four years before the Dhems took the White House in 1992.


Posted by: Kensington at February 28, 2007 12:21 PM (kFwRi)

31 You guys should be careful about Limbaugh comparisons. Rush himself has been quoted as saying his show is about entertainment, not politics. The reason there's been a string of failed lefty Rush-knockoffs is they haven't figured this out.

When somebody does a comedy show that leans to the right instead of a right-wing political show with some jokes it will be successful. It's something Colbert and Stuart have figured out on the other side.

There's only so much audience for a redmeat show.

Posted by: Eric at February 28, 2007 12:24 PM (XIXhw)

32 The early Limbaugh years were more about the fact that people were amazed to hear someone on the radio saying many of the same things that they thought.  To those of us who had been around a while then, we had gotten used to radio sounding a certain way.  Talk radio was about the news and not any commentary.  Limbaugh really changed all that.  It didn't matter who the President was at the time.  Later, when Clinton came into office, he had a steady source of material and the show took off to even higher levels.

Posted by: Steve L. at February 28, 2007 12:30 PM (hpZf2)

33

HC reminds me of my mother in law.


No offense.


Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 12:32 PM (HfGmJ)

34

Nice Deb,


That is very insulting to your mother in law.


Posted by: Tushar D at February 28, 2007 12:35 PM (h76y6)

35 Anyone here that used to listen to AM radio in the pre Rush days.

Gary Dee, Talknet, are two I remember.

That and a lot on UFO's.

Posted by: honest cloud at February 28, 2007 01:13 PM (a6vlD)

36 Couple of points-

Bravo Glenn. Glenn's radio show often gets on my nerves... the 9/11 recap that he did this past year was just plain depressing. He sometimes departs the land of the entertaining, and seems to occasionally lose focus. He is far more effective on television, in my opinion.

Guys and gals, I remain very excited about the Half-Hour News Hour. There were a bunch of things that made me laugh my ass off, and I look forward to Sunday night's installment.

Conservative humor has been ineffective to this point because nobody's really tried it. Eric is dead on- Rush is entertainment with a fair amount of news to it. Its parallel on the left is... Stewart! Stewart frankly apes Rush so damned often it's frightening.

Miller might be able to host it, but he's too Letterman-esque in his sarcasm and bitterness. Whoever is going to come along as the eventual counter-Stewart has to have a delivery that is not that of the cabal of pundits. There are points where Beck occasionally approaches it, but he's a long way from it. This next host/hostess will necessarily need to be outside the box, and clearly very patient in building the foundation.

I would just about be willing to guarantee you that some of the producer folks read or have friends who read this blog. (I've recently begun doing some producing with my station, and I damn sight guarantee you that other producers read here.) If you can make constructive comments about how to make it better, I think you'll be surprised at how attentive they are.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 28, 2007 01:51 PM (QzsVu)

37 I'd like to point out that some of The Daily Show's best stuff has been jabs on Clinton.

Not many and granted this goes back some time but it's effective to take a shot at yourself sometime.

Posted by: honest cloud at February 28, 2007 01:58 PM (a6vlD)

38 Anyone here that used to listen to AM radio in the pre Rush days.

Michael Jackson, the old white one.

Posted by: Toby928 at February 28, 2007 02:08 PM (ATbKm)

39 Remember black and white TV?

I always though that Ralph Kramden was an embarrassment to real conservatives.

I like pie.  Does anyone else like pie?

Posted by: Honest Spurwing Cloud at February 28, 2007 02:36 PM (56ssE)

40 I got a great idea for a funny conservative show; Keith Olbermann getting ass-buggered by a wolverine once a week. Your tastes may vary, but I think it would be comedy gold.

Posted by: UGAdawg at February 28, 2007 02:50 PM (alGm/)

41 I've always thought Beck was a bit of a milquetoast. So it's nice to see him take a jab at that low-rated, pompous buffoon Olbermann.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2007 02:51 PM (CkYzD)

42 I'm kind of curious what honest cloud's definition of a real conservative is.

And I hope he doesn't go all Andi Sullivan on us.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2007 02:55 PM (CkYzD)

43 I'd like to point out that some of The Daily Show's best stuff has been jabs on Clinton.

You are pathetic.

Do you imagine we are this stupid? Or are you that stupid?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2007 03:17 PM (W5xJB)

44 "I'd like to point out that some of The Daily Show's best stuff has been jabs on Clinton."

For those somewhat long in the tooth, please tell me "jabs" = today's slang for blowjob. Because the only thing Jon is going to do with his mouth relative to Bill is pleasure him. With words or tongue. And probably both.

Posted by: Not So Honest Cloud at February 28, 2007 06:05 PM (/fruE)

45

Mark Russell doing musical riffs on the events of the day.


But being beaten with a pool cue half way through each number.


For me this would be a religious experience.


Posted by: monica at February 28, 2007 07:04 PM (rFLG5)

46

 I got a great idea for a funny conservative show; Keith Olbermann getting ass-buggered by a wolverine once a week. Your tastes may vary, but I think it would be comedy gold.


http://ace-o-spades.blogspot.com/2004_02_15_ace-o-spades_archive.html#107735686012014673


Posted by: monica at February 28, 2007 07:08 PM (rFLG5)

47 You know we can tell Honest Cloud is a real Conservative?

He shoots his friends int he face with a shotgun!

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Hello my darlin'


Did you the latest about ex-Congressman Mark Foley?

He tried to join the Boy Scouts!

Hello my baby
Hello my darlin'


Posted by: Mark Russell at February 28, 2007 07:35 PM (0Rlco)

48 Glenn Beck comes off as the chuckling, back-slapping guy next-door. But, in reality, he is a bigoted, racist mysogist. And dishing back "many of the same things that people thought" is no justification. So, he's willing to say out loud what was once restricted to the locker-room. This is not progress, but rather an indictment of the audience's neolithic knuckle-dragging mentality. Serve it up and they'll swallow it whole, baby. My prediction is that this loose-cannon will one day say something so stupid, repulsive and inflammatory that it will get him fired.

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