June 30, 2018

Gardening/Open Thread
— Open Blogger

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Happy Weekend before Independence Day!

It has been a roller coaster week here. My thinker is not working real well. Fortunately, we have some great photos and commentary by members of The Horde. CBD suggests that they may attract some new people to the "voodoo magic of gardening".

Our first contribution for today is photo above, which, if you use your imagination, might remind you of fireworks.

I'm a lurker, currently living behind enemy lines in the San Francisco Bay Area. I bought some Asiatic lilies five or so years ago, planted them in a large pot, and this is what I've got now. Evidently they multiply! (I love to grow vegetables but choose flowers for their ability to thrive without much more from me than water so this is a perfect flower for me!)
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Here's another flower that might remind you of fireworks, from a little further South in California. The photo below, and the one that follows it, are from aRomaTomato, a lurker who lives south of CaliGirl.

Lion's tail. This is a tough plant that does well even in dry conditions. When I got it, one of my co-workers warned me that this plant is poisonous. I replied that I have trimmed without gloves and never had a problem, so I looked it up and discovered that it's a cousin of marijuana. Based on this, some dolts tried to smoke it and it's apparently a LUNG irritant.

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And a Trumpet Lily. "The only one I have left".

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Mechanical and Hardware Corner

Illiniwek ups the ante in the Riding Lawnmower category:

That is my "new" toy ... 1939 Allis Chalmers B with a finish mower, caught on my security camera.

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But for the Midwest farmer with any acreage, the batwing is useful to keep the brush at bay.

May not fit in with the garden theme, but has been an essential tool.
Weasel said he was getting a sickle bar for mowing his brush ... also effective as I hear it.

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We have some result-based photos from Illiniwek for later.

The Edible Garden

I ask for veggie photos and people come through. Now here's some high drama from Gordon in Minnesota. Nice raised beds. Construction details?:

Tired of fighting the zuch, the acorn squash makes a bold move west for sunlight and elevation.

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From further south, in middle Tennessee, tomatoes already! NadineCharmichael sends the following. More photos from her pending:

We always grown tomatoes because they're easy and my kids are allowed to eat them whenever they want, right off the vine. This year we did large Celebrity hybrids and a cherry variety.

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Pat* in Idaho prompts many of us to check back on the Gardening Thread on Sundays for her detailed comments on the progress in her garden. They often get posted late because she has been . . . working in the garden.

And sometimes she sends a photo or two. To the non-gardeners joining us today, these tomato plants are WAY too close together. But healthy! Except at the edges where water is probably limited. Because, Compost! Pat* has other tomato plants elsewhere from which she intends to harvest a crop this year:

This is what happens when you put lots of overripe tomatoes into your fall 2017 compost, then flip it in the spring of 2018. There are even plants growing on the ground beside the compost. (The current compost is to the right in the photo, beneath the black mini-sprayer.) - Pat*

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Plant I.D. Challenge

Pat* has also asked for help in identifying a bush.

We call this the Do-Nothing Bush, because it has not done anything interesting, like flowering, or turning interesting colors in autumn. It's growing under a ball-shaped pine tree, whose lower limbs we are slowly removing for Christmas decorations. When the pine is too ugly, we will remove it - but we would like to know what this bush is, to decide whether we should dig it up as well. (It appears to spread by root runners, because we need to keep mowing down the sprouts that get out from under the pine and into the lawn.) -Pat*

(I see my boot got into the top photo...)

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I went out to measure leaf size. The largest leaves I can find, are 4 inches from base to tip, 3.5 inches across.

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If you would like to send information and/or photos for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden
at g mail dot com

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1 Foist?

Posted by: Calm Mentor at June 30, 2018 07:04 AM (I16G8)

2 Oh thank goodness. They were going on about thongs down there.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 30, 2018 07:05 AM (gUCYC)

3 Thongs? Yes please.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 30, 2018 07:07 AM (o9JxI)

4 Would that be like flip-flops? Never wear flip-flops into the garden. See what I did there??? Worked that into the gardening thread. I'm off to spread mulch. Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 30, 2018 07:09 AM (0tfLf)

5 That's a true Moron mower.....

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 30, 2018 07:09 AM (Y9uH4)

6 Planted Peruvian daffodils at the crack of dawn today, because it was already too hot. Got them on clearance & they were just sprouting. Never heard about them to know what I am doing with them, I just hope they make it thru the heat.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 07:09 AM (yNyJy)

7 Uh, the "do-nothing" bush looks a lot like a linden tree.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:11 AM (YEjDG)

8 BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 12:09 PM

Hope so, too.  They might need some recovery time. 

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 07:12 AM (BVQ+1)

9 Pat, that looks suspiciously like a filbert by the leaves and the crooked way the branch is growing.

How old is it? 

Posted by: Kindltot at June 30, 2018 07:12 AM (2K6fY)

10 Do the Jap. beetles hammer it? If it flowers, the linden has a distinct "lip" under the flower. Basswood, or lime (if you're a Brit).

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:12 AM (YEjDG)

11 Oh, and Illiniwek, my Alis B is a '47. Nearly new, compared to yours!

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:13 AM (YEjDG)

12 They have Lion's Tail planted in a parking strip near the street at a hospital entrance I've been walking past lately.  Tough location for a plant. 

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 07:14 AM (BVQ+1)

13 What's the opposite of a "Green Thumb"? Because that's what I have. I so much as look at a plant and it's a goner.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 30, 2018 07:17 AM (BRvh1)

14 What's the opposite of a "Green Thumb"? Because that's what I have. I so much as look at a plant and it's a goner. Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 30, 2018 12:17 PM (BRvh1) Should be in the "vegetation control" biz. Just sayin'...

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:19 AM (YEjDG)

15 Thanks KT and all, I planted sunflowers this year, and out of forty seeds, only six have germinated, and are now about four and a half feet tall. I stuck some more seeds in the ground for a second harvest, and they all sprouted. Then they were all eaten by some ground vermin-I'm guessing a chipmunk, because we have one that is demanding and cheeky, and got into the bag of seeds. We had a bird that has been acting as the watchdog of our garden-he would scream at any creature that would come into it, except us. Birds? Right in their face, yelling. Squirrels? Peck their butts, then scream. One bird stuffed a bug in his mouth while he was screaming at it. But either he got tired of chasing everything off, or it got too hot here to yell so much, so the second plantings are gone.

Posted by: moki at June 30, 2018 07:20 AM (V+V48)

16 I sprayed the perimeter, and down the middle of the garden last week with glyso. No wind, very early. VERY careful... and discovered I had a hole in the hose. Only nuked a coupla tomatoes, but burned quite a few plants we had to trim quickly. Dr. Death.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:21 AM (YEjDG)

17 Crepe myrtles are all a flowering right now. I got pink, watermelon and a couple white ones all about 20 feet high and full of color. Then they shed and it looks like snow......pink, watermelon and white snow. Me hardy begonias are back too and bigger than ever.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 30, 2018 07:23 AM (EoRCO)

18 I needed to kill off a couple blackberry bushes that have gotten out of control as well as run a kill zone along one of our fence lines. I used Crossbow herbicide. That shit works.

Another reason to move to a desert climate. No weeds or things that need constant yard maintenance. Rocks and cactus I can deal with.


Posted by: Under Fire at June 30, 2018 07:26 AM (r9UYA)

19 I put out three tobacco plants last year. The intention was to roll my own cigars. Abject failure as I am in a very dry area so not enough humidity to properly store. On the plus side I have a couple cans of pretty decent pipe tobacco. Side note, I let the plants last year go to seed, they're microscopic, the seeds, not the plants. I have about 25 plants this year. Only thing I ever planted that didn't die right off.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:27 AM (wgCUV)

20 8 BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 12:09 PM Hope so, too. They might need some recovery time. Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 12:12 PM (BVQ+1) ---- Thanks KT. Yeah, probably won't get much flowering this year, but they were a steal, couldn't resist, bulbs are so very expensive normally. Gave them a decent douse of rain water I collected from Thursday. Not sure if I planted them too deep or deep enough in the garden soil so I did a dusting of Miracle Grow seed starter potting soil on top of the garden soil right up to the green sprouts. I figure if it's too much soil the seed starter soil is so light, easy to brush away if they can't breathe, so to speak.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 07:29 AM (yNyJy)

21 Winston, you are a man after mine own heart! Where'd you get the seeds? There used to be a tobacco growing region just north of KCMo in Platte County. Tobacco allotment land and all. Sale barns, drying barns, the whole shebang. Weston, Mo. I don't even know what kind of tobacco was grown, but I think it was "burley"? Is this something you know?

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:31 AM (YEjDG)

22 Oh, and Illiniwek, my Alis B is a '47. Nearly new, compared to yours!  
Posted by: MarkY 
 
A 1939 Ford 9N here on the farm.  The only real money I've put into it are tires.
 
You young whippersnappers!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 30, 2018 07:31 AM (9rIkM)

23 Green Beans. I see Green Beans everywhere. The garden has begun producing in a big way! Supposed to be in the 90s here this week (blech) so we shall see how that impacts my container garden.

Posted by: Ann at June 30, 2018 07:32 AM (e59uY)

24 I pruned the shit outta my rose bush. Hope I did it right. I inherited the rose bush from the old lady I bought the house from -- the same old lady who stole my birdfeeder. Until I saw the roses bloom, I didn't even know it was a rose bush.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 30, 2018 07:32 AM (x77Cf)

25 Under Fire I've used Crossbow as well. It worked well on bind and know weed. The morning glories though, seemed to like it. The Master Gardeners here tell me that taking 2.4.D and, "Painting each leaf"!!!!! will kill morning glories. So I'm resigned to a yard full of them.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:33 AM (wgCUV)

26 Had some produce from the garden this weekend, yesterday had a small purple bell pepper only partiality ripe that was supposed to be sweet but was a bit tangy. This morning had a small handful of potatoes from plants rescued from the compost. They were good. Starting to get cucumbers and green/wax beens, maybe in a week they will be done.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 07:35 AM (pHfeF)

27 Envious of the tractor, even more envious of the acreage I unfortunately don't plant tomato anymore, too much of a magnet for mosquitoes. Do nothing bush looks like Linden, but I always thought Linden has a distinct pungent smell, but Pat makes no mention of that.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 07:35 AM (yNyJy)

28 I grew Kentucky burley a few years back here in Charlotte. Did amazingly well. Beautiful plants.

Posted by: NCKate at June 30, 2018 07:35 AM (nU09Z)

29 Anyway, the old lady had no lawn -- just bushes, shrubs, and some small trees. It's a smorgasbord of lovely vegetation, none of which I can identify. Except for the juniper. I hate juniper bushes. I liked the idea of not having grass to cut. But it's not a no-maintenance yard. I have weeds, pruning to do, and shrubs/bushes to trim. And leaves. Leaves up the yingyang.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 30, 2018 07:36 AM (x77Cf)

30 Cool tractors. I see those John Deere wheels.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 30, 2018 07:38 AM (2DYau)

31 A 1939 Ford 9N here on the farm. The only real money I've put into it are tires. You young whippersnappers! Yeah, I bet I gots sumpin' you don't... an Allis Chalmers #116 trip bottom plow. Ok, beat that, I'll wait (hee). The "116" denoted one bottom, 16" wide. Also gots me a horse drawn disc. With seat. But I pull it with Allis. Bought them all for food plotting. At an implement junk yard. Didn't spend more than $100 on any of the implements, and they all work (after a fashion). My New Idea #8 needs some work, though.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:39 AM (YEjDG)

32 MarkY I hadn't known about the area you mentioned. I'm in central Washington so, pretty dry and rocky. Burley tobacco is usually used in cigarettes. I got my original seeds from a place in TN I found on line. Cheap maybe $10. for three packages of 100 seeds. I started them indoors got some nice sprouts and then put them out about a week before a serious frost. I'm sorry but don't recall the name of the seeds. I harvested the leaves and hung them in my garage, which is just storage and work space now. It's just the wrong climate, and I'm on a limited income, to do the thing right for cigars. Still, I do enjoy a good pipe also.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:39 AM (wgCUV)

33 24 I pruned the shit outta my rose bush. Hope I did it right. I inherited the rose bush from the old lady I bought the house from -- the same old lady who stole my birdfeeder. Until I saw the roses bloom, I didn't even know it was a rose bush. Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 30, 2018 12:32 PM ---- the thing about roses is to have good blooming it is best to leave at least one old dead looking branch intact. You won't stop all the blooming by over pruning, but without at least one dead looking branch, the blooms are decreased substantially until the next year.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 07:41 AM (yNyJy)

34 Winston (apt name for a tobacco farmer), Weston, Mo was also the home of the first (and only for years) distillery that made sour mash west of the Mississippi. McCormick. They made a wonderful 12 year old. Then the original family sold it off, and now they make neutral spirits, some of which are colored and flavored to taste something like whiskey.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:43 AM (YEjDG)

35 Tobacco plants have a lovely flower. The original Rose of Alabama. I tried to talk to the Department of Ag here to see if anyone had tried to grow tobacco before. One of their people thought it was illegal. Idiots. A few years ago the Feds busted a man on the Yakama Indian Res for not just growing tobacco commercially but rolling cigarettes and selling same commercially, sans license and taxes. He's still in a fed pen.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:44 AM (wgCUV)

36 The tobacco barns are distinctive. They are slatted (?). Anyway, they have big gaps between the siding, I guess to let air through. Weston is not like most of western Mo. Hilly. Sharply hilly. Pretty.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:46 AM (YEjDG)

37 I know farm tractors from pre WWII still can pull their weight, use to go to the local Grange fair yearly and there were a hundred of lld tractors still runninb hard.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 07:46 AM (pHfeF)

38 Discovered last night that all my Day Lillies are gone. Same with my neighbor. Then my wife told me about the deer in our backyard. BTW, Day Lillies are delicious. Pick them before them open, boil in water 5 - 10 minutes, strain, butter and salt.

Posted by: Puddin Head Teh Chef and Knitter at June 30, 2018 07:47 AM (vV/gB)

39 MarkY that's sad. Good booze is hard to find, and afford. The very best bourbon I've ever had comes from Ennis, MT. Big Horn. It means an about 9 hour round trip for me to drive over to buy. Not sold here in the Soviet of WA. A friend of a friend of a friend did give me a bottle of home made corn mixings from NC. Tasty and almost sweet.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:48 AM (wgCUV)

40 I always thought sickle bar mowers were only used on grass/hay fields. Those triangle teeth fall off enough when cutting hay so it seems like cutting brush with one would suck. We always used bush hogs to clear brush and sickle bars for hay season.

Posted by: NCKate at June 30, 2018 07:49 AM (nU09Z)

41 Lunch with the hardening thread. Yay! I have been pulling quack grass out of the impregnable barrier cloth and rocks in the front. Also pulling weeds from the sand between pavers.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 30, 2018 07:49 AM (/+bwe)

42 Grange is an interesting word. Never see it anymore. Allis was the first tractor to develop the "torque tube". Idea was you could see what was happening under you. When developed, the average American farm was under 100 acres, and the tractor was in the process of displacing the horse or mule. How things have changed, eh?

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:49 AM (YEjDG)

43 36 The tobacco barns are distinctive. They are slatted (?). Anyway, they have big gaps between the siding, I guess to let air through. Weston is not like most of western Mo. Hilly. Sharply hilly. Pretty. -------------- In NC of my youth they were ubiquitous, now they are like hens teeth. A matter of trust. Farmers no longer trust their neighbors since the yankees descended.

Posted by: Puddin Head Teh Chef and Knitter at June 30, 2018 07:50 AM (vV/gB)

44 We have a La Grange, TX

Posted by: lin-duh at June 30, 2018 07:51 AM (kufk0)

45 I grew up in Southern Indiana. Tobacco barns were common and the auction houses smelled amazing. I've seen cigars being rolled. The guy was amazing. Scored three of them. It's an art form. This is making me think it's time for a pipe now.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 07:52 AM (wgCUV)

46 I'm capitulating in my fight against the Mystery Eaters of Basil - I grow basil in pots, from seed, and this year (going back to March, when I started), just as the plants reach about 2-3 inches in size ..... poof, they're gobbled up by something. Now, they're only making it to 1 inch. So I'm going to buy six-packs of seedlings, while I curse the fact that it's almost July, and I don't have any basil, after starting in early March. I used Sevin, per the advice of a nursery store with some knowledgeable people, for worms (composted soil). But now after planting seeds in commercial potting soil - no compost - same thing happens. ????? Gave up on trying to grow lettuce this past "winter", as we have for several years without issue. Same thing - lettuces were getting eaten down to the nubs once they reached a certain size (fenced area, nothing on 4 legs could get in, and full measures taken against snails and worms). At least the tomatoes in 15-gal pots are (so far) trouble free (no rats, no mystery browning leaves). Keep them sprayed with Sevin (composted soil) and copper sulfate (fungus), otherwise no special measures.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 07:52 AM (QDnY+)

47 We have "La the Nails" on Troost in KCMo. Your point? (ducking and hiding)

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:53 AM (YEjDG)

48 "my Alis B is a '47. Nearly new, compared to yours! Posted by: MarkY

Excellent.  My uncle had a newer one that I used a little as a kid.  (a criminal sold that at auction while my uncle was on high doses of oxycontin ... but that's another story, heh)  Someone else did all the work on this one, I bought it ($2400 delivered), and just had to adjust the belts.

There are a lot of homesteader (You-Tube) videos of people trying to escape the cities and "the man" ... it would sure be cool to see that trend "go viral", with more people pulling a little of their stock market paper riches out and investing in a small farm.  Maybe even pass on a real venture to their kids.  Lots of potential, especially if we advance the "buy local, know your grower" thing.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 07:56 AM (bT8Z4)

49 38 Discovered last night that all my Day Lillies are gone. Same with my neighbor. Then my wife told me about the deer in our backyard. BTW, Day Lillies are delicious. Pick them before them open, boil in water 5 - 10 minutes, strain, butter and salt. Posted by: Puddin Head Teh Chef and Knitter at June 30, 2018 12:47 PM (vV/gB) ----- Bummer, maybe try netting next year? Lilly flower is also good stuffed & lightly sautéed in butter. Same with squash flowers, pumpkin, it's a family affair;^)

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 07:57 AM (yNyJy)

50 Rhomboid, I'm thinking your fence isn't as tight as you think. Maybe go all Farmer McGregor on the bunnies?

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 07:57 AM (YEjDG)

51 There are still some grange halls in rural NJ.

Posted by: MikeinNJ at June 30, 2018 07:58 AM (ww9j4)

52 44 We have a La Grange, TX Posted by: lin-duh at June 30, 2018 12:51 PM (kufk0) How, how, how. https://youtu.be/Vppbdf-qtGU

Posted by: ZZ Top [/b][/s][/u][/i] at June 30, 2018 07:59 AM (nvMvs)

53 Yeah, I bet I gots sumpin' you don't... an Allis Chalmers #116 trip bottom plow.
Ok, beat that, I'll wait (hee).
The "116" denoted one bottom, 16" wide.
Also gots me a horse drawn disc. With seat. But I pull it with Allis.
. Posted by: MarkY 
 
*lusts after Mark's gear*     
 
Just recently got rid of all the draft horse tack; collars, harness, etc. No one used them since the early '60s when Billy died and they pretty much rotted away. Truth be told, Billy did better than the tractor does. Very thin, rocky soil, small plots and steep hills. No idea where the implements went.
 
And he'd let us kids ride him all day just for fun. When he was tired he'd walk up to the porch, patiently wait until we all got off and then slowly walk back to the barn. Damn good horse. Snif.  
 
Made sun tea this morning with chocolate mint from the little patch next to the house. Just like Grammies.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 30, 2018 08:00 AM (9rIkM)

54
Yeah, those leaves on the do nothing look suspiciously tree like.  I agree on the Linden.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2018 08:00 AM (r+sAi)

55 I've seen two-legged bunnies that look like hobos raid people's gardens for years. 


Pump 12 ga. with rock salt seems to take care of these varmints.

Posted by: Fritz at June 30, 2018 08:02 AM (J7XgW)

56 Oooo, an *open* Garden Thread??? [TRAMPLES DAISIES]

Posted by: logprof at June 30, 2018 08:03 AM (oF+Cc)

57 MarkY, no, the area in question is small - 10 X 5 feet maybe - and has a chicken-wire fence buried/anchored all around. Four years of growing lettuce from seedlings, no issues, and no change in the "defenses". I even added a little secure perimeter element this time and smoothed out the dirt very carefully several times around the seedlings - no signs of activity ..... and bunnies leave fairly obvious signs when they scurry and dig around here. In any case, the current campaign is against the mystery enemy of basil.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 08:04 AM (QDnY+)

58 Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 12:52 PM (QDnY+) ------ rhomboid if I was the betting kind I would bet that it is the catapillar of a butterfly. Those dudes can strip a plant overnight. They especially like basil, cilantro, parsley, just about any tender green. And those little dudes can move faster than Superman & hide like Lex Luther.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 08:05 AM (yNyJy)

59 Illinewek, Bought mine for $1200 with the belly mower. Hydraulics were milky, but functional. There are 2 Urban farmers just south of me. Both in the City limits. One is an herb producer. Employs 6 folks in a greenhouse maybe 80 X 20. The other is a little more ambitious. May or may not succeed. We believe they are one of the German sects, and mostly sell to the church members. They are trying a greenhouse, growing lambs for slaughter, eggs, fresh produce, etc.. May be trying to do too much. We'll see. 35 acres. I have a friend who ended up with about 300 acres once his brothers sold their part of a family farm. He row-cropped and starved. Then he began to produce sweet corn. An intense 8 weeks, but he made more from 35 acres of seet corn, retailed on the road, then he ever made from the row crops. Row crop farming is the only business that buys retail and sells wholesale.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:06 AM (YEjDG)

60 I share the tractor love above. I've zero need for one. Every year the Old Iron Club, has a threshing bee. Until last year that is. They had held it at a state park which is based on an old homestead. The park people would help with the display, including corn grinding into meal, yum. Last year the club was told that every vehicle would have to have a daily permit, $5.00, including each piece of equipment and the trailers bring them in. No show last year. This year one of the large hay brokers is opening up their yards for the event. The show brought in hundreds of people, who did pay for the permits. Last year literally no one went to the park. I expect this years bee will be well attended. I met a guy who had a Ferrari made tractor.

Posted by: Winston at June 30, 2018 08:08 AM (wgCUV)

61 Ah, sun tea. At least I have the mint (spearmint) thing down this year, did several cuttings, planted in several pots, a few months back, now have nice dark vital mint plants in several pots (they get ratty and weak after a few months in any given location, I have noticed). Speaking of summer beverages, and to front-run the food thread tomorrow: basil lemonade Anyone who grows basil, and of course esp. anyone grows both that and lemons - most amazing, simplest thing evuh. Just muddle up a bunch of freshly picked basil leaves with sugar; squeeze in fresh lemon juice; let it sit for 20-30 minutes; then add water/sugar to taste. A few years back I took a big jug of this to a family event. I think every single person there eventually asked me "what was that? that was great!". I'm sort of amazed no commercialized version exists - one of the best fruit juice tastes I can remember in my life.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 08:08 AM (QDnY+)

62 BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 12:57 PM
Some species of daylilies are more delicious (and edible) than others.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/364759.php
I would definitely check the species before eating lilies. 

All squash and pumpkin flowers are fine.   

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 08:09 AM (BVQ+1)

63 I thought it was Trump who wanted to abolish ICE

Posted by: Al Gore at June 30, 2018 08:11 AM (STPlW)

64 Grange # are all over eastern Pa, most likely a fading organization. My wife's uncle was a Grange leader so we went every year.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 08:11 AM (pHfeF)

65 BebeDahl, thanks - it certainly would explain the "no footprints, no signs" nature of the destruction. Haven't checked, but I thought Sevin would cover that threat. Anyway, it's funny how even here (coastal SoCal) there can be so much variation in "farming" conditions year to year, as I've seen with the herbs, tomatoes, etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 08:11 AM (QDnY+)

66 KT, I've been trying to amaze my wife with your knowledge, and she keeps saying, "I knew that". I think she's lying, though (to quote Chief Dan George in Little Big Man).

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:11 AM (YEjDG)

67 hmmm. cornholing going on espn

Posted by: Anachronda at June 30, 2018 08:12 AM (ZxV1A)

68 rhomboid, grasshoppers will do that also and they consider sevin a dessert topping.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 08:13 AM (tEEIH)

69 My container squash and zuches are growing like mad this year. Last year not so good. Three containers are going to be more than we want to eat this year. Tomahtos are going well too if we can avoid the hail.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at June 30, 2018 08:13 AM (0OmEj)

70 They had tractor pulls, parade, and there always was a big friendly rival between John Deer and other make owners. It was 'green' or 'not green'

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 08:13 AM (pHfeF)

71 ... they consider sevin a dessert topping. I'll steal that!

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:16 AM (YEjDG)

72 The year before I got all of our containers inside to miss the hail, we were the only ones on the block who had any maters that year. Hail gets us more often than we would like.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at June 30, 2018 08:18 AM (0OmEj)

73 Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 01:09 PM (BVQ+1) ----- Too true, was talking about the common orange variety, not even thinking about the poisonous multicolored lily, Good catch KT.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 08:19 AM (yNyJy)

74 ...They had tractor pulls, parade, and there always was a big friendly rival between John Deer and other make owners. It was 'green' or 'not green' Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 01:13 PM (pHfeF) Interestingly, the John Deere line of Marine Diesel engines aren't the traditional Green. Nope. Khaki Tan. I helped with the installation of one, replacing a 300 hp Cummins Marine Diesel. Aside from the 'Deere being 1.5 inches taller, which necessitated a deck alteration in the boat's cockpit area, it was a superior powerplant in every respect. Quieter, by far. Smoooother. Much better fuel economy. And the maintainability over the Cummins is in the "no contest" category. To change a thermostat on the Cummins, one had to first remove the entire intake manifold assembly. Even reaching the oil filters for a routine change, a major PITA. And the 'Deere provided 20 more horsepower in the bargain. Go, Big Tan! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2018 08:20 AM (QzJWU)

75 Last week I mentioned the Althea blooming. The bees have been busy. This morning I saw one that was *covered* with pollen exit a blossom. When he launched, there was a little puff of yellow cloud.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2018 08:25 AM (8zttw)

76 I have 3 basil plants in the garden and not been touched by anything, I pick 1 leaf and a stalk of oregano for my salad every day.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 08:26 AM (pHfeF)

77 HI, Jim. Did you hear from Weasel?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 08:27 AM (tEEIH)

78 Anyway, it's funny how even here (coastal SoCal) there can be so much variation in "farming" conditions year to year, as I've seen with the herbs, tomatoes, etc. Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2018 01:11 PM (QDnY+) ----- Not sure how close you are to the beach, but back when I lived in Redondo the heavy sea air dripped the Sevin off lickity split. Try some dish soap in a sprayer, it lingers even with moisture, and is easily rinsed off before your consume the Basil. Nobody likes the taste of soap in their mouths, those cussing catapillers don't too;^)

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 08:29 AM (yNyJy)

79 I am growing tomatoes but I have not gotten to eat a one yet... The darned city squirrels got to all four of the ones that ripened before I could:-(

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 30, 2018 08:29 AM (FTXAT)

80 Does anywone know what Presdent and Micheal Obama are doing for the 4th of July Holliday??? If they are in the New Engeland area I would love to goes and see them. We still loves them very mulch and wants him back and Trump impreachd or something!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 30, 2018 08:29 AM (qM84C)

81 And yesterday finally got to chopping of some of last year's leaf pile to get into the compost. It is under the top dry a big pile of wet leaves. Raked part into the open and ran the tractor over them. Have to go rake them and bin them.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2018 08:30 AM (pHfeF)

82 They had tractor pulls, parade, and there always was a big friendly rival between John Deer and other make owners. It was 'green' or 'not green' Posted by: Skip -------- No problem.

Posted by: Oliver Super 99 at June 30, 2018 08:30 AM (8zttw)

83 The Clintons used to make a point of being abroad every 4th of July. I wonder if they still do that.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at June 30, 2018 08:30 AM (w7KSn)

84 The year before I got all of our containers inside to miss the hail, we were the only ones on the block who had any maters that year. Hail gets us more often than we would like. Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at June 30, 2018 01:18 PM How often do you LIKE to get hail?

Posted by: Mother (the Bitch) Nature at June 30, 2018 08:30 AM (/+bwe)

85 John Deere line of Marine Diesel engines" Still Yanmar?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 30, 2018 08:33 AM (7LY+6)

86 That chick on the previous thread is still looking at me like I'm supposed to know why she's looking at me like that. Make her go away.

Posted by: ro-man at June 30, 2018 08:34 AM (RuIsu)

87 Garden report: No violations of the fence, neither bunnies nor deer. Zukes and cukes going gangbusters. Getting adventurous in prep. Beginning to sneak fruit into unsuspecting neighbor's cars. Maters not ripening. Too hot. Peppers- plants OK, fruit sparse. Okra, getting there. Beans climbing, spreading, no flowers yet. Other cucurbits, just flowering. Sweet corn tasseling- my opinion, waste of space if there are any growers within 15 miles. Grandkid concession. We were 104 two days ago.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:34 AM (YEjDG)

88 An intense 8 weeks, but he made more from 35 acres of seet corn, retailed on the road, then he ever made from the row crops.
Row crop farming is the only business that buys retail and sells wholesale. Posted by: MarkY

yeah, I make a little on my 55 acres in crops, but I just spray, and pay someone to do the rest.  $720 (iirc) for a gallon jug of Fierce ... lol, only need 3 oz an acre, but sheesh.  And grain prices came down, not seed.  oh well.  Fortunately it is enjoyable hobby for me, and I'm satisfied with such cheap thrills. 

But yeah, the horticulture possibilities are many.  Flowers, bird seed, melons ... 35 acres is a lot but there is a lot of info out there, so the whole spray program thing is laid out, and business models as well.

To me the organic thing may play out ... CaliGirl does it on a big scale I guess ... bravo.  I think heat and humidity may make it more of a challenge in the Midwest.  Grapes for instance, need a good spray program, though this year was so dry black rot and the rest are not really an issue.  Hope your "neighbors" succeed.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 08:35 AM (bT8Z4)

89 Got way too much rain here in MI for my container gardens. The lettuce especially is really waterlogged but the heat now should dry things up quite a bit.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 08:36 AM (yNyJy)

90 I love Asian lilies. I had some lovely ones a few years ago, but the deer ate all of them. Someone told me stake bars of Ivory soap around them which actually seemed to work. That or the deer found something better in another yard.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at June 30, 2018 08:36 AM (WY9Hg)

91 HI, Jim. Did you hear from Weasel? Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 01:27 PM (tEEIH) Yep. And arrangements have been made as to securing the steel targets here, leading up to the event. I'm going to pre-make some target frames here, too. And get a carton of standard IDPA cardboard targets. I'll set up some one v one Mozambique drills... speed and accuracy, and against the clock, too. /gun thread Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2018 08:36 AM (QzJWU)

92 We were 104 two days ago. Degrees Celcius, I meant.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:38 AM (YEjDG)

93 cornholing going on espn" What, no aussie rules football?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 30, 2018 08:38 AM (7LY+6)

94 "From further south, in middle Tennessee, tomatoes already!" I understand about latitude and growing zones, but stuff like this amazes me. We've had tomatoes since April and they're about to quit producing because of the heat here in East Texas.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 30, 2018 08:40 AM (9BLnV)

95 Jim, Iv'e got your two of each stations.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 08:42 AM (tEEIH)

96 Illinewek, I think California supplied half the world with crops, so we all just quit "truck farming". With the Socialists in charge, and squeezing the Ca. farmers for water, I believe there may be a renaissance in small operators. Not everybody can own 1,000 acres in God's country. Spoke to a woman last week who's family owns 3600 acres in western Ks. Isn't that grazing for about 120 head, cow and calf?

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 08:44 AM (YEjDG)

97 Lovely pictures KT thanks. I rode in my horse pen today, I am down to just a lace up ankle brace. Ride was fine but the back half of the pen is carpeted in goats head plants, Depressing after I have sprayed over 35 gallons of 2-4-D over the last 3-4 weeks a couple gallons at a time. But in the minis pen I have almost eliminated the burrs so I keep telling myself not to despair and just keep pecking away and shrinking the # and area of the burrs.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at June 30, 2018 08:47 AM (r4KP2)

98 PaleRider, have you tried mowing them first and then spraying?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 08:52 AM (tEEIH)

99 My Cousin Vinny is on AMC.

I forgot how funny that movie is.
Fred Gwynne (the judge): "Didn't I tell you next time you appeared before me that you dress appropriately?"Joe Pesci (Vinny): "You were SERIOUS about dat?"

LOL.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 30, 2018 08:53 AM (8iiMU)

100 Sixteen deer grazing in our fields last night. And three raccoons raiding the apple tree. I'm not going to plant anything and expect it to survive.

Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2018 08:54 AM (HN0N1)

101 heh. Run Silent, Run Deep on TCM. Amazing cast.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2018 08:54 AM (8zttw)

102 We were 104 two days ago. Degrees Celcius, I meant. Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 01:38 PM I thought you meant years, plus the royal We.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 30, 2018 08:55 AM (/+bwe)

103 JulieC, those Asiatic lilies are GORGEOUS!!!

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 08:55 AM (rhdgT)

104 Aussie Rules Football is on FS2.

Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at June 30, 2018 08:56 AM (S+f+m)

105 Sixteen deer grazing in our fields last night. And three raccoons raiding the apple tree. I'm not going to plant anything and expect it to survive. Posted by: t-bird ------------ Dog...you need a dog. Maybe a couple.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2018 08:56 AM (8zttw)

106 Our first beautiful red, ripe tomato was enjoyed.....by a squirrel or a raccoon. Husband went to pick it and it was chewed halfway away. Did get 6 or 7lbs of green beans. The peas never really did much. I've never had a lot of luck with them but the upside down weather in SW OH really did them in. Hot, cold, warm, freezing , hot, cold is no way to run a garden.
Have a nice crop of blueberries. Our first year that we should have a yield since we covered the bushes to keep the birds away. Hoping it works.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 30, 2018 08:58 AM (N3JsI)

107 back in 2000 when I moved back up here, Illinois did a program to advance the grape growing thing, mostly for wine grapes.  They sponsored field trips and had a couple roaming viticulturists.  Some started up and some survived, but soon came the wine glut, plus all the foreign wines were flooding in ... hard to compete with "two buck chuck".

I don't like the commie "sustainability" thing so much ... commies stick their nose in everything.  heh.  But there are less politicized possibilities, and better tech, sales online but even local online sales. 

I don't want to work that hard, but can imagine a live feed for customers to watch their chickens and cows in the field, and gardens producing, and then they buy from the producer that maybe even does a weekly delivery route ... like the old milkman, but several products.
mostly I'm thinking of how to get people back on the farm, and save the rural areas from the corporate operations, and from the globalists.  The absent landowner is not the way to go.  imo

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 08:59 AM (bT8Z4)

108 Dog...you need a dog. Maybe a couple. Posted by: Mike Hammer, And a gun. Maybe a couple. And a grenade. Maybe a couple.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:01 AM (1VtXD)

109 Alright, who's the clown who set the outside to Broil?

Posted by: pep at June 30, 2018 09:01 AM (T6t7i)

110 We also have a boatload of deer, and raccoons, and two baby foxes plus parents. And, yes, we are the only people in the neighborhood who don't have any dogs.

Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at June 30, 2018 09:01 AM (S+f+m)

111 >>who's the clown who set the outside to Broil? Man, it is perfect up here...mid 70s all week. Rain here and there.

Posted by: garrett at June 30, 2018 09:01 AM (ctNXF)

112 Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 30, 2018 01:53 PM (8iiMU) ----- Keeping with nature of a gardening thread, the country owl screech with Vinny's reaction is priceless.

Posted by: BebeDahl at June 30, 2018 09:02 AM (yNyJy)

113 And a gun. Maybe a couple. And a grenade. Maybe a couple. Posted by: JT ------------- Mines

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2018 09:03 AM (8zttw)

114 Ben Had. No I don't mow. The goats heads hug the ground anyway. And I am getting kill, but burrs in the sand sprouted since my first spray in many spots. We are having a hot summer with just enough rain to sprout these burrs. Plus last summer I went on riding trips instead of keeping the burrs sprayed so they gained some ground vs year before. Today its supposed to rain so I will just weed the flower beds and do some watering (yes even with predicted rain, we are only getting .15 inches) and I will hit the burrs tomorrow and throughout the week.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at June 30, 2018 09:03 AM (r4KP2)

115 Mines Ok, then loan him a couple.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:04 AM (1VtXD)

116 And a gun. Maybe a couple More my speed. Never was a dog person, and I now live in a free state. Nephew and I are going groundhog hunting (well, eradicating) tonight.

Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2018 09:06 AM (HN0N1)

117 Sixteen deer grazing in our fields last night. And three raccoons raiding the apple tree. I'm not going to plant anything and expect it to survive. Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2018 01:54 PM (HN0N1) You could plant some deer and raccoons.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 30, 2018 09:08 AM (9BLnV)

118 Is that the Keith Olbermann Memorial Invitational Corn-Hole Hootenanny?

Posted by: ro-man at June 30, 2018 09:08 AM (RuIsu)

119 grasshoppers ... just looking it up, Sevin is supposed to work, but they say it needs a bait with it to get the grasshoppers to eat it ... and something about getting them in the early stages.

this is Colorado State on grasshoppershttps://tinyurl.com/gwjdtdh
I haven't seen grasshoppers here, but have a full size trash can about half full of Japanese beetles from the traps, not to mention all the dead ones from the Sevin spray.  mostly that has kept them from doing much damage to the trees or vines.  They love the bait smell.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 09:10 AM (bT8Z4)

120 Mark Y, You still in that area? We played Weston a few times back in the kid 90's. Still play in Parkville occasionally. Also, Missouri bourbon. I have a couple of bottles of Tom Benton's bourbon that were given to me a couple of years ago. Bottled by McCormick's. 5 year old, 80 proof stuff. Will it yet better as it ever in the bottle? If nothing else there are a few, fine solids precipitating out.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 09:11 AM (Z7oqE)

121 Vinny: "When the two yutes left the store - "Judge Herman Munster Gwynne: "Excuse me, what was that word?"

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 30, 2018 09:13 AM (8iiMU)

122 We have had grasshoppers so bad in past years the were like waves. They ate all of the holly bushes and everything else.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 30, 2018 09:16 AM (7Pr+E)

123 KT, I can do a bit on my beds, if you like. They are all experimental, in that I modify things as I learn what works. I told the wife I had sent you a picture of the squash's bold move. "She'll put it in the thread," she said. I said, "Nah, she's got lots of stuff." Row cropping: If you're doing a two-crop rotation here in Minnesota, soybeans for China, corn for the ethanol plants, there's money in it. But that could all change in a hurry. Thing is, that land in the family bit is serious business. I was reading about this techie gal who married a Wisconsin farmer (his sisters do not trust her at all, think she's after the land). She asked him what his yearly income was. Oh, about $20,000, he replied. My god, she said, I make more than that for a lecture. Yeah, he replied, but I have money in the bank, and you don't....

Posted by: Gordon at June 30, 2018 09:18 AM (TLBXU)

124 Nice pictures, people! KT, as usual, great thread. Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 30, 2018 12:23 PM (EoRCO) Sounds like our crape myrtles. I freely admit i screwed up trimming them back a few years ago, but, with a little patience and prudent trimming, they've really gone wild.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at June 30, 2018 09:18 AM (WEBkv)

125 if this is the general house work thread, I cleaned the terlit downstairs. Also vacuumed. The vacuum I got as a Bissell bagless. Ideally it is supposed to suck the crud into a container when I then empty out as I go along. But it didn't suck right. The intake was clogged. After a few tries where, again, the intake was clogged I went to Bissell's website which said, try the hose, dummy. So I disconnected the hose and tried blowing through it. Yowch! A lot of dust went back into my lungs. So I found a broomstick and just ramrodded the hose. That reamed out the clog. Yay, clean(er) house.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 30, 2018 09:18 AM (6FqZa)

126

   No more veggie gardens for me, I am sick of providing an all you can eat salad bar for the local wildlife.

Posted by: iorngrampa at June 30, 2018 09:19 AM (S/hVx)

127 Nephew and I are going groundhog hunting (well, eradicating) tonight. Do they come out at nite ?

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:19 AM (1VtXD)

128 Jordan Peterson would be proud of me.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 30, 2018 09:19 AM (6FqZa)

129 Gee, only two typos in all that? A new teej best.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 09:20 AM (Z7oqE)

130 The gardening thread is itself an open thread? The world is turned upside down.

Posted by: blaster at June 30, 2018 09:22 AM (DH5wZ)

131 Okay, two typos and an auto cuke puke. Will it get better as it ages in the bottle? Mid 90's in Weston and, aw the hell with it.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 09:23 AM (Z7oqE)

132 Gordon at June 30, 2018 02:18 PM
Some info on the raised beds would be great. 

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 09:23 AM (BVQ+1)

133 I dunno that housekeeping is wholly off topic but if it is, sorry about #125 and I'll clean out the barrel

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 30, 2018 09:24 AM (6FqZa)

134 The gardening thread is itself an open thread? Yep. And if its still active tonite, you can shoot a groundhog.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:25 AM (1VtXD)

135 Sixteen deer grazing in our fields last night. == aka tick delivery vehicles

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 09:26 AM (hMwEB)

136 PaleRider, simply irredeemable at June 30, 2018 01:47 PM
I look forward to the time when you are not constantly plagued by goatheads. 

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 09:26 AM (BVQ+1)

137 Doggeh peed on some bushes That was our gardening for today

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 09:27 AM (hMwEB)

138 Sixteen deer grazing in our fields last night. Mike Hammer will lend you some mines.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:27 AM (1VtXD)

139 Not exactly gardening, but today, general outside cleanup because its a weekend without rain. Which is unheard of. Have to mow and cut back a bunch of stuff. And repair a fence. So have to dig out a few fence post holes.

Posted by: blaster at June 30, 2018 09:28 AM (DH5wZ)

140 No more veggie gardens for me, I am sick of providing an all you can eat salad bar for the local wildlife. Posted by: iorngrampa at June 30, 2018 02:19 PM (S/hVx) Wouldn't recommend such a tactic for edibles, however, one's own urine in a backpack sprayer offers one a cheap recyclable repellent. A little fermenting seems to help. Kinda stinks for about an hour and then it goes away. Not water repellent. Works great on hostas, of which I have thousands. Hence the need for a cheap repellent. Hosta fertilizer is another story. TBC

Posted by: REDACTED at June 30, 2018 09:29 AM (STPlW)

141 Late to the thread but errands have to get done sometime I guess. Love the photos, especially the lilies which are some of Mrs. JTB's favorites. That top one makes me wish I had some art talent to try to capture those beautiful gold and copper colors.

Posted by: JTB at June 30, 2018 09:30 AM (V+03K)

142 Off-topic: I'm probably gonna miss the pet thread again, so when it arrives, could someone bring up the topic of "teenage" dogs? I think doggeh is being a terrible teen - pulled the leash out of our hands 3x in the past 2 days. He's around 17 months Dangerous since he's a dumb car chaser.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 09:32 AM (hMwEB)

143 Thanks to KT for the thread, always a delight, and the suggestion last week to put good Italian parsley where the romaine was. Picked up some plants just now and they get planted tomorrow morning. Also got a packet of heirloom, flat leaf parsley seeds to try if the plants don't make it.

Posted by: JTB at June 30, 2018 09:34 AM (V+03K)

144

Anyone is welcome to my share of the hostas out there.  Can NOT stand the things.
  They are way too high maintenance for what they deliver in beauty.

Posted by: iorngrampa at June 30, 2018 09:37 AM (S/hVx)

145 I think doggeh is being a terrible teen - pulled the leash out of our hands 3x in the past 2 days. He's around 17 months Dangerous since he's a dumb car chaser. Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 02:32 PM (hMwEB) Let him catch one. He won't know what to do with it and it will confuse the heck out of him.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 30, 2018 09:38 AM (9BLnV)

146 Yay, clean(er) house. Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 30, 2018 02:18 PM (6FqZa) Hope it doesn't affect you but that's the kinda thing that would make me sick for a couple of days.

Posted by: REDACTED at June 30, 2018 09:39 AM (STPlW)

147 JTB, plant the parsley seeds anyway. They will come up, and you'll have parsley in the fall, and then you will have parsley again next year. My parsley is doing better than my basil. My basil is still limping along, looking pathetic. I bought a couple more plants at the farmer's market Thursday, hoping that maybe it just needs an infusion of new blood in my basil patch.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 09:39 AM (rhdgT)

148 I'm probably gonna miss the pet thread again, so when it arrives, could someone bring up the topic of "teenage" dogs? Are they smoking cigarettes ? Do they have the collars on their leather jackets turned up ?

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:39 AM (1VtXD)

149 142 Off-topic: I'm probably gonna miss the pet thread again, so when it arrives, could someone bring up the topic of "teenage" dogs? I think doggeh is being a terrible teen - pulled the leash out of our hands 3x in the past 2 days. He's around 17 months Dangerous since he's a dumb car chaser. Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 02:32 PM (hMwEB) ------------------- Amazon sells a dandy leash that is a slip leash, in that if the dog pulls, the leash tightens up. Not a choke chain, mind you, but, as a leash, not a bad idea.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at June 30, 2018 09:40 AM (WEBkv)

150 Hope it doesn't affect you but that's the kinda thing that would make me sick for a couple of days. Posted by: REDACTED at June 30, 2018 02:39 PM (STPlW) ---------------- Yeah, I hear that, though, I'd probably wind up in the hospital. My lungs don't tolerate that kind of crap.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at June 30, 2018 09:41 AM (WEBkv)

151 boho, this is why I avoid housework whenever possible. It tries to kill you. Also, in five minutes it all needs doing again. In all seriousness, congrats, and don't do that again!

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 09:42 AM (rhdgT)

152 We planted a bunch of stuff under the maple tree in the front yard. Still need to buy more plants but am waiting till we get the fence set up to move the dogs to the backyard. It's back to the high 70s again. Nothing really grows well here but blackberries. Crossbow is the only thing that really kills them. We had them whacked down in the backyard again. Plan to spray them then put down landscaping cloth. He wants to put in some raised beds in that atea. We'll move the chickens over to that area, into a cute chicken house. All part of trying to sell the place.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 30, 2018 09:45 AM (Lqy/e)

153 boho, this is why I avoid housework whenever possible. It tries to kill you. Also, in five minutes it all needs doing again. In all seriousness, congrats, and don't do that again! Posted by: bluebell Ummmm.... who is boho ? Have you been drinking again ?

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 09:46 AM (1VtXD)

154 You need a Halti for the dog. It goes around the muzzle and pulls the muzzle down when they pull on the lead. It's popular with us folks that own springers.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 30, 2018 09:46 AM (Lqy/e)

155 148 ... Good idea, bluebell. The parsley plants are good sized so planning for the fall would be wise. Might wait a few weeks so the seeds come up after the worst (I hope) of the summer heat is over. No reason not to do that with the remaining lettuce and romaine seeds as well. BTW, are your rose of Sharon blooming? After our comments last week about a lot of buds but few blooms, our shrubs exploded with blossoms. Just lovely and the bees and humming birds approve.

Posted by: JTB at June 30, 2018 09:48 AM (V+03K)

156 Ummmm.... who is boho ? Have you been drinking again ? Posted by: JT at June 30, 2018 02:46 PM (1VtXD) --------- booulder t'hobo. Yes, if by that you mean a concoction of diet lemonade and decaf iced tea.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 09:49 AM (rhdgT)

157 We have a Rainbow vacuum. We buy second hand as they are expensive. The dirt is filtered into water. It's messy to empty it but it does a good job.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 30, 2018 09:49 AM (Lqy/e)

158 Well, almost got it right.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 09:49 AM (rhdgT)

159 bad doggeh is already on a martingale (the half chain kind) I'll look into a halti

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 09:49 AM (hMwEB)

160 also he's a smart bad doggeh coz when he does run, he usually picks up his leash with his teeth so he doesn't trip on it

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 30, 2018 09:52 AM (hMwEB)

161 BTW, are your rose of Sharon blooming? After our comments last week about a lot of buds but few blooms, our shrubs exploded with blossoms. Just lovely and the bees and humming birds approve. Posted by: JTB at June 30, 2018 02:48 PM (V+03K) --------- One has started to bloom, but the other one (about 5 feet away!) hasn't yet. I'll bet by this time next week they'll both be in full bloom, if they like ridiculously hot weather.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 09:52 AM (rhdgT)

162 teej "You still in that area? " Yeah, I live in south KC. I was off-line for a bit. My wife and I both forgot we left the water on in the garden. We throw 1/4" every 15 minutes... we left it on 2 1/4 hours. Heh. It'll be nice and soft for weed-pulling tomorrow. I'll send KT pics of our defense system for the garden. Inexpensive 8' fence. I feed the deer, (to harvest them) but don't let the in the garden. We are just now getting bunnies, (after 10 years of prep) but they can't get in either. One of the reasons we never planted corn before, is because it seems to be a raccoon magnet. A raccoon will go wherever the hell he damn well pleases, thank you. I practice the 3 S's on coons... shoot, shovel and shut up.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 09:55 AM (YEjDG)

163 You need a Halti for the dog. It goes around the muzzle and pulls the muzzle down when they pull on the lead. It's popular with us folks that own springers. Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 30, 2018 02:46 PM (Lqy/e) ---------- These are very good. I have a 95 lb. bundle of energy that is a Lab/Mastiff mix, Lulu. 3 years old. If it were not for the Halti she would almost tear my arm off. I like it much better than the blunt spiked choke collar I had to use before.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at June 30, 2018 09:57 AM (I16G8)

164 Nephew and I are going groundhog hunting (well, eradicating) tonight.

The ones I killed were daytime grazers.  Nailed about 60 in 5 years with my .22.  My house-cat knew when I pulled out the rifle, came and sat next to me with his tail twitching.
Odd thing is that I never saw groundhogs in that yard between 1955 and 1980--then they were there in swarms.

Posted by: dad29 at June 30, 2018 09:57 AM (7Kti7)

165 Yeah, we've had it with gardening too. Part of it is sheer laziness. Too much work now that the kid-slaves have flown the coop. The deer and other critters eat most of it anyway. Maybe when Mr.DeV. retires.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2018 09:58 AM (0jtPF)

166 "teenage" dogs? Are they smoking cigarettes ? Do they have the collars on their leather jackets turned up ? Pooch without a cause

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 30, 2018 09:59 AM (IqV8l)

167 (Who is it does those "True Fact" posts?) True fact: when you shoot a groundhog in the head with a .44 black powder pistol at about 10', he will smoke... out the ass!

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 09:59 AM (YEjDG)

168 We are just rural enough we can get away with most any caliber right now, being so close to the 4th.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:01 AM (YEjDG)

169 We supports that idiot Trump to nominate Presdent Obama for the Supperemo Cort Vacantcy

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 30, 2018 10:01 AM (qM84C)

170 Oh, and Illiniwek, my Alis B is a '47. Nearly new, compared to yours! Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 12:13 PM (YEjDG) And I thought my '57 Massey Ferguson was old!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2018 10:05 AM (n9EOP)

171 And I thought my '57 Massey Ferguson was old! Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at June 30, 2018 03:05 PM (n9EOP Barely broke in.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:06 AM (YEjDG)

172 "I'm a lurker, currently living behind enemy lines in the San Francisco Bay Area. JulieC" Welcome to the BABEL Army! (Bay Area Behind Enemy Lines.)

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2018 10:06 AM (c+2jX)

173 Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 02:52 PM (rhdgT) Mine are in various stages of blooming (depending on the location), but they are beautiful blossoms. However, after this season, I think I will backhoe them out because the blossoms produce seeds and those seeds produce little trees and those little trees produce remarkably resilient root systems!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2018 10:09 AM (n9EOP)

174 True story. Had a new customer in KC. Said he had just sold a 3 bedroom ranch in the bay area. Paid cash for one of the biggest mansions in the finest area in KC.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:09 AM (YEjDG)

175 Barely broke in. Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 03:06 PM (YEjDG) I'm figuring on another 50 years at least!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2018 10:10 AM (n9EOP)

176 Hrothgar, I think you should just let them go and live in a sea of beautiful blossoms.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2018 10:10 AM (rhdgT)

177 Had a new customer in KC. Said he had just sold a 3 bedroom ranch in the bay area. Paid cash for one of the biggest mansions in the finest area in KC. Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 03:09 PM (YEjDG) But... did I mention it got to 104 degrees Farenheit yesterday?

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:11 AM (YEjDG)

178 "...just sold a 3 bedroom ranch ..." Probably got at least 2 o3 3 million for it. Maybe more. My little hovel is on zillow for 1.5 1100 sq ft.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at June 30, 2018 10:12 AM (w7KSn)

179 I'm figuring on another 50 years at least! Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at June 30, 2018 03:10 PM (n9EOP) Well, and two oil changes and one valve job. They ain't care-free, ya' know!

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:12 AM (YEjDG)

180 Hosta maintenance? Seriously, I just plant them and forget them until it's time to split them. Or, kind of way past time...but then you get four.

Posted by: Gordon at June 30, 2018 10:14 AM (TLBXU)

181 175 True story. Had a new customer in KC. Said he had just sold a 3 bedroom ranch in the bay area. Paid cash for one of the biggest mansions in the finest area in KC. Posted by: MarkY I know someone who sold a rundown, small, 2-bedroom Victorian house in Alameda (town across the Bay from San Francisco.) With the proceeds she bought a 7-bedroom, 3-story, 1.5-acre mansion in Pennsylvania -- and had $850,000 left over.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2018 10:15 AM (c+2jX)

182 Pet thread is up for those so inclined.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at June 30, 2018 10:17 AM (I16G8)

183 The container garden is thriving.

Broccoli is done-- got 6 large heads (too hot now for side shoots)

Replaced them with zucchini in one pot, Mexican sunflower in 2 others.

Sno-peas also done-- continuous harvest for about 2 months: enough for snacking, stirfry and egg rolls.

Moonflower will replace the peas.

Tomatoes are getting bigger, but no ripe ones yet. Getting a few poblano peppers and waiting for them to get bigger, too.

Hubby says we should let the old garden patch go back to lawn. I guess he's right... it's too much for me to handle (hence the containers.)

Posted by: JQ at June 30, 2018 10:18 AM (yD/Pf)

184 There are some little cottages around Lake Minnetonka that sell for amazing money, but they have lakefront, however little. There are laws about teardowns, so people strip down the original to studs, and build new, much larger house around that. By the time one is done, there may be one interior wall left of the original....

Posted by: Gordon at June 30, 2018 10:20 AM (TLBXU)

185 Just got back myself, Mark. South KC and a bit rural? My lil sis lives outside of Freeman. I'm about an hour straight west of her.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:20 AM (Z7oqE)

186 navybrat, I'm thinking it went for 2.75 to 3.0M. After all, you can't send the kids to public school. 2 blocks west and it would have doubled (Ks.). +,- 9,000 sq.ft. on about 2 acres. Structural stone exterior. Google earth 55th & Ward Parkway, KCMo, and move west. 3 houses each side. Equals a 3 bedroom ranch in Marin Co.... jeez.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:20 AM (YEjDG)

187 Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that if President Trump's next Supreme Court appointment is approved, the court could "criminalize women."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 30, 2018 10:21 AM (IqV8l)

188 Well, them wimmen are kind of suspicious. Except for KT, of course. It's about 98 degrees, the AC has quit, and I'm off to spend some of those reward points at the Comfort Inn.

Posted by: Gordon at June 30, 2018 10:24 AM (TLBXU)

189 Damn, teej, we're neighbors! Basically 71 & Bannister. Hills between the Blue and Hart Grove Creeks.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:24 AM (YEjDG)

190 179 "...just sold a 3 bedroom ranch ..." Probably got at least 2 o3 3 million for it. Maybe more. My little hovel is on zillow for 1.5 1100 sq ft. Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator Yep. You and me both. My Bay Area house is pretty unremarkable and not in great shape, but if I sold it, I could buy two or three entire counties in Kentucky or Arkansas. Even without a structure on it, my (empty) lot alone would fetch well over a million. But of course if I were to sell and move somewhere else in CA, the property taxes on the new place would bankrupt me. If it wasn't for Proposition 13, I'd be homeless (as would about 60% of current homeowners in CA). (For non-Californians: Proposition 13 limits your property tax levels to the value of your house at the time you bought it[/i[, instead of at its current assessed value. So people who bought their house many years ago tend to pay "normal" property tax amounts. But people who buy houses in this climate have to pay tax on the new price/valuation, which can easily be in the $40,000/year range or more. Mind you, that's just the annual tax on your property -- above and beyond any mortgage payments, insurance, etc. Thus, home ownership would be complete;y impossible for most non-millionaires without Prop. 13. And of course the Left is frantically trying to get it repealed, completely unaware that if they succeed, the state will immediately collapse economically.)

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2018 10:26 AM (c+2jX)

191 teej, There's a diary written by a Reverend Meeker, Baptist Missionary to the Pottawotamie. Your neck of the woods. Mostly, it seems his spent his life looking for his mare or his cattle on the prairie, when he wasn't going to Westport.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:28 AM (YEjDG)

192 I bought my place for $78k

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at June 30, 2018 10:31 AM (w7KSn)

193 I lied. Ottawa. https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/missions-in-kansas/14236

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:33 AM (YEjDG)

194 Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that if President Trump's next Supreme Court appointment is approved, the court could "criminalize women." Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 30, 2018 03:21 PM (IqV8l) -------------- That sounds about right.......for her. One would think they would at least wait until 7/9, when PDT actually names his choice, to lose their shit. But one would be sadly wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at June 30, 2018 10:34 AM (I16G8)

195 nvybrat. Time to move. 2 brothers both moved in the last ten years. Both Marin County. One in WA, one in OR. Neither moved far enough, IMHO. Still have one in LA. Man's a fool. We even have a suite in the basement named after him, cause it's there waiting for him.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:36 AM (YEjDG)

196 Westport is about 2 hours from me. I really need to find a place to book the trio in your area. Be nice to have a place closer to my sis to play. Parkville and Topeka are a bit of a drive for them. Lake Perry even further.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:36 AM (Z7oqE)

197 193 I bought my place for $78k Posted by: navybrat, So....I estimate that your property taxes now are about...$2,000/year? Or less. But without Proposition 13, you'd be paying tax on your home's current $1.5 million valuation, which would be (approximately) $35,000/year. Completely insane.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2018 10:37 AM (c+2jX)

198 Yeah, I agree but have issues keeping me here. My mom lives with us. And her cat, and my cat. Mom could not handle a move. Gotta wait for the Lord to call her home.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentator at June 30, 2018 10:38 AM (w7KSn)

199 teej, Style music? Blog? Website? Have a good friend that just bought BB's... Blues & BBQ.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:39 AM (YEjDG)

200 Now Ottawa isn't far at all. 25-30 minutes straight east. I drive through there and Louisberg to get to sis's place. Head south at the T intersection on the Missouri side and meander through the country a short bit. Nice area.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:40 AM (Z7oqE)

201 But... did I mention it got to 104 degrees Farenheit yesterday? Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 03:11 PM (YEjDG) --------------- Cash left over from sale of a house will buy a lot of A/C in that area of the country, I suspect.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at June 30, 2018 10:44 AM (WEBkv)

202 teej, Know the area well. GGGGpa owned farm at Y & 187th in Cass. Freeman is the home of storage tanks and pre-Civil War drama. And tornadoes. Damned things like that area. Pretty country. Just south at the state lines and the Marais de Cygne is the home of the Osage Indians. Or was...

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 10:45 AM (YEjDG)

203 Singer/songwriter stuff Mark. Lots of originals. Cover folks like Taylor, Croce, Morrison, PP League etc. No site or blog (who has the time? ) but you can check out my front man with another band on you tube. Try True North South of Memphis in the search box. Other stuff on the right should pop up too. Dashboard Believer, Live and Dimestore Hemingway are their cd's on there. There is another True North that is not them. Sorry, doing links of this phone is nigh on impossible.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:49 AM (Z7oqE)

204 I gotta get some more stuff done around here. Hope I run into ya again soon MarkY. You and your guests first round is on me should you ever make it to a gig.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:54 AM (Z7oqE)

205 And as an addendum, (quite sure I just misused that word ) don't try to judge Gary's songwriting by just a few songs. Style wise he's had many influences.

Posted by: teej at June 30, 2018 10:57 AM (Z7oqE)

206 teej Thanks. Need a better link. Look forward to a meet.

Posted by: MarkY at June 30, 2018 11:01 AM (YEjDG)

207 My M just needs some carburetor work, but I don't have a good use for it right now.  It will pull the three bottom plow that is sitting in the weeds (will have to check the name brand) ... but I haven't used that for over a decade. 

Maybe some should sell their 11 sq ft abode in San Fran, buy 100 Midwest acres, build their own dream house and build a lake next to it, pick up all the equipment they need, and still live nice on the half million they have left over?

KC may be nice ... I lived in Emporia for over a year, hot and dry as I recall.  We get the rains and have nice hills ... but then that's why I need that 15' mower that can mow small trees. 

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 11:04 AM (bT8Z4)

208 1100 sq ft I meant.  They are building those micro apartments now, but even they are like 280 sq. st. ... but really .. Get outta town ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 30, 2018 11:18 AM (bT8Z4)

209 @rhomboid Do you have earwigs? Lay a damp folded newspaper near the plants in question or where they were. In the morning you may find whatever it is under the paper.

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at June 30, 2018 12:53 PM (TdCQk)

210 From Idaho's Treasure Valley: (For those who may know what this means, I am proud to say that last Sunday at a Project Appleseed event, I shot a Rifleman score with a bolt-action, magazine-fed rifle, and I'm well-pleased with myself. If you shoot rifle, and don't know what that means, I encourage you to look up Project Appleseed, and attend an event. I thought I was a pretty good shot - and so I was, in the limited discipline I was shooting in. Appleseed broadened my horizons considerably, and taught me how to teach rifle as well.) I don't think the Do-Nothing Bush is a linden. My north-side neighbor and I both have linden trees. They do grow as a tree, not a bush, and they show no signs of root-running. Plus, lindens do flower (and smell heavenly!). I'm willing to entertain the very vague possibility that it's a hazelnut/filbert bush. If anyone has a link to a website with a good photo of its leaves and branch growth, please add it to one of the Garden Threads. Does anyone know if they refuse to flower because of being in dense shade?, because this bush... does nothing. Goatheads - yeah, we have those, largely along the back edge of the property, by the irrigation canal. Hate 'em. We dig them out. Husband discovered that they do die if you poison them, but not until after they manage to set seeds, which is quite annoying. Speaking of eliminating stuff... it's my job to inspect the leaves of our 2 zucchini and 2 butternut squash plants for squash bugs and their eggs, and getting rid of them all. So far, I'm keeping up, I think. (Wish we were keeping up with the zucchini - we have 4 of them waiting to be eaten. They're great sliced, oiled, and grilled.) Strawberries have quit producing. We had a very small crop this year; and I had a lot of dieback in the 2nd bed, so I'm managing the runners to cover the blank areas. Too bad, because we were hoping to make some strawberry syrup from them. Red raspberries look like they'll have a banner year, so we'll just end up with more raspberry syrup instead (plus the raspberry summer wheat beer we do each year). There's a you-pick blueberry farm near us, so yesterday we went over early, and picked 6 pounds. We plan to go again, so we have a good stock of frozen ones. Asian pod peas are just about done - no new flowers, not many pods left. And the shelling peas might be quitting too - there are no new flowers, though still many pods to harvest. I've frozen four 12-ounce bags of peas, so far. While the lettuce, spinach, radishes, and most carrots are gone, we still have some green onions - though they're getting too big to be called green onions pretty quickly. (We do love those when we cut half the tops off, oil the bulbs, and put them on the grill.) The two small daylilies with maize-gold flowers out front are blooming, as is the gigantic daylily behind the garage with red/orange flowers. The mixed-up clump of tall red penstemon and fireweed by my shed is also going strong. I consider lavender buds to be a crop, and this is a good year for my 2 Provence plants. Eventually I'll have to make something out of all these buds, other than just putting them in snack-size ziploc bags and putting them in my dresser drawers. At this point, other than processing peas and raspberries, there's a short break. But the bush green beans have flowered, so soon it'll be time to start eating and freezing green beans. We have cucumber plants starting to get long enough to work onto the trellis - flowers on the cantaloupes - tomatoes forming on the Romas - and corn plants shooting up. (Does anyone else think that the tomatoes atop my compost heap, make it look like a compost cupcake with green frosting? Or like the compost heap has a green Afro?)

Posted by: Pat* at June 30, 2018 12:57 PM (2pX/F)

211 Pat* at June 30, 2018 05:57 PM

Squash bugs - so bold.  Glad you're keeping on top of them. 

I think the compost cupcake image fits best.  With little dabs of green tomato frosting at the base, too. 

Posted by: KT at June 30, 2018 02:44 PM (BVQ+1)

212 "Do Nothing Bush" looks rather like Cottonwood to me.

I pull out similar-looking plants, and we have no filberts anywhere near... but *plenty* of cottonwood.  Ugh.


Hope the squashbugs have given up in our area-- just transplanted zuke seedlings!

Posted by: JQ at June 30, 2018 06:42 PM (yD/Pf)

213 A few years back I ordered strawberry plants online, to fill up a strawberry planter. I had some extras, so I stuck them in the ground near a sprinkler head. The ones in the planter never did anything. The ones in the ground took off and sent runners all over the place. They've been producing wonderfully this year, and I've been eating them for the past two weeks.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at June 30, 2018 07:09 PM (Nrxta)

214 Nancy at 7000 feet CO:
Lol! Great that you've gotten enough to snack! 


That's what happened with my s'berries-- they spilled (runners!) out of the planter and took off in the landscape. 


Several years later, the planter now has a few bulbs and s'berries are all over. 


They have beautiful leaves, too, don't they?

Posted by: JQ at June 30, 2018 07:14 PM (yD/Pf)

215 Woohoo! I made the gardening thread!

Posted by: aRomaTomato at July 01, 2018 06:39 AM (o2vOl)

216 Strawberries escaped into one of my no-dig border beds too and I've pretty much given up hand weeding them except around roses and some perennials...everything else just grows through the berry plants and as JQ says, they are very attractive ground cover...so I'm going with the flow. Any one having any success ridding their garden of stink bugs? I made this trap from a Pepsi bottle and it works! The raccoons kept screwing with it, so I hung it on a length of light chain. https://youtu.be/VwUuHhWYvDA

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at July 01, 2018 01:00 PM (TdCQk)

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