November 29, 2014

Fundamental Concepts : The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many [Weirddave]
— Open Blogger

Last week, after the fundamental concepts thread was mostly dead, a poster came in and excoriated me for being part of the gay mafia. It seems that because I have a gay friend, and because I respect and like her and am able to discuss serious topics with her, I am a deluded fool. The poster was dismayed that s/he had to read such drivel "on a conservative blog", and furthermore...I'll just quote:

I do not care about meeting your gay friends.

I do not care to consider them as individuals, they are not worth my time. As the fanatics that protects them left and right.

You are a tribalist and decided to keep in your tribe people who are part of the problem and not of the solution. That is your problem, not mine. being called homophobes by gay supporter fanatics as you is a badge of honour.

They will throw you under the bus when they obtain all the stupid things they want (destroying religious freedom) but you are too stupid to pay attention.

If you're really interested, you can read it all at the end of last week's thread (Don't post there, I don't know how many days have to pass before the auto-banhammer kicks in for posting on an old thread).

Anyhow, as soon as this exchange occurred, I knew the topic of this weeks thread: The supremacy of the individual. This is a key difference in the way conservatives see the world versus how progs see the world.

In the leftist worldview, the individual doesn't matter except as part of a group. They are all about manipulating differing groups against each other to consolidate their hold on power. Look at any leftist movement in history and it's front and center in all of them. The French Revolution started with the people vs the aristocracy (and ended with the people vs themselves). Marx was all about the proletariat vs the bourgeois. Today's Democrats are all about pigeonholing people into one or more groups: black, gay, female, Hispanic, whatever. It doesn't matter anything about a given individual, they are slotted into one or more group identities and assumed to have a certain set of beliefs, desires and behaviors depending on which group they are in.

It's madness, of course. A prog will tell you with a straight face that the black, female child of the President of the United States is an oppressed victim (two traits assigned to the groups "black" and "woman") and should therefore be given preferential treatment over the son of an illiterate Appalachian coal miner ("white","male") when applying for college.

A conservative, on the other hand, knows that this country was founded on the primacy of the individual. If you tell me that someone is black, that tells me exactly nothing about them except that they have a higher natural resistance to sunlight than I do. Are we talking about Allen West or Michael Brown? There is a difference. Allen West is an individual who is suited to lead men into combat or to lead the country. Michael Brown excelled at getting high and robbing the Quik-E-Mart. Being black doesn't make Allen West a leader anymore than being black made Michael Brown a thug. Their individual choices and life experiences did that.

And that's the crux of it. I am a white male. Peyton Manning is a white male. If "white male" is your criteria, then I'm just as likely to lead a football team to the Super Bowl as Peyton. In real life, the chances of that happening go up just a tad if you chose him as your QB over me.

That's what you get when you treat people as individuals. Peyton Manning would likely be a lousy insurance agent. I'm a stellar one. I'm a lousy QB. He's better. Each of us got that way by making the most of our individual abilities and opportunities.

And that's how our system is supposed to work. We all share a framework of the rule of law. That's the starting point. After that, it's up to each one of us. We can go as far as our desire and ability will take us, in whatever direction we chose to go. Yes, some people will fail, and sometimes it isn't even their fault. That's why the rule of law exists, to keep us on a level playing field and prevent some people from excelling at the expense of others. If Dana fails at being a baker, it should be because of Dana's choices, not because Pat was excelling at being a serial killer.

Treating people as individuals does one thing for society as a whole: it raises the mean. Confining people into groups depresses it. Treating people as individuals results in better outcomes for a higher percentage of the population than doing otherwise. Shouldn't that be the goal of any successful society?

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1 Re-set the time stamp to 11:06:00 or something, WeirdDave.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:04 AM (9BRsg)

2 Peyton Manning Insurance -- so easy, a caveman could do it.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2014 06:08 AM (fIv/H)

3 I fully expect cries of racism.

In Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002), we learned that all of the Imperial Storm Troopers were cloned from Jango Fett who looks a bit Hispanic (the actor, Temuera Morrison is from New Zealand).

Well, now we get Black Storm Troopers .. hmmmmm

Posted by: Obama Forks America at November 29, 2014 06:08 AM (e8kgV)

4 Herds are easier to control.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:09 AM (MQEz6)

5 >>Peyton Manning Insurance -- so easy, a caveman could do it.

heh.

I don't like most of his commercials, but I love the "Losing feeling in my toes..." one for Nationwide.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:09 AM (9BRsg)

6 3 I fully expect cries of racism. In Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002), we learned that all of the Imperial Storm Troopers were cloned from Jango Fett who looks a bit Hispanic (the actor, Temuera Morrison is from New Zealand). Well, now we get Black Storm Troopers .. hmmmmm Posted by: Obama Forks America at November 29, 2014 11:08 AM (e8kgV) Not all Stormtroopers were clones of the original clone troops. After the fall of the Republic, the Imperial Forces drafted regular folks. Geek function off.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:11 AM (MQEz6)

7 I have a lesbian friend too.  She has a CHL and packs all the time and doesn't like Obama or Democrats.  We've been friends for 20 years and she's like a sister. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 06:12 AM (1/vWy)

8 Under Socialism every individual is perfectly free to be whatever the Hive wants it to be. Hater.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:13 AM (MQEz6)

9 Peyton Manning Insurance -- so easy, a caveman could do it.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Every ad guy at Nationwide Insurance at November 29, 2014 06:13 AM (A6vWB)

10 It seems that because I have a gay friend <insert any random social or political issue here>, and because I respect and like her and am able to discuss serious topics with her, I am a deluded fool.

I have too many different types and classes of friends not to be considered a delusional fool by virtually all of them.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (ZALPg)

11 Peyton Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom"

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (MQEz6)

12 Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 11:11 AM (MQEz6) We also have no proof that the guy in that suit is a storm trooper rather than someone hiding or using a used suit. (Wouldn't that be interesting if after the fall of the empire, the storm troopers equipment was basically sold as surplus.) Really are people so stupid as spend a bunch of time bitching over the choice of actors in a movie based on whether they're good for their race or not. Apparently so.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (HDwDg)

13 I'm tired of this all. I'm tired of not being able to go into my department because my chair is so invested in this shit he's posting weird Lawrence O'Donnell clips to facebook (about shit covered in the Volokh conspiracy weeks ago, and of course he gets it wrong.) I'm tired of my city being used as some political pawn. I'm tired. I'm going grocery shopping.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 29, 2014 06:18 AM (HDwDg)

14 Basic demographic info actually does give you information. But it's in the form of probabilities. If all you know about someone is that they are a Finn, then you can logically expect they are more likely to be an introvert than the average person. As you get to know the person you might find they are the exception, of course, but it's perfectly logical to use the demographic information you have and the information it gives. There are many traits that are associated with gender, race, ethnicity and the like. People aren't all the same. People aren't blank slates. Our phenotypes reflect our genotypes and our evolutionary history.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:18 AM (zwdxl)

15 Peyton has been this NFL Quarterback thing for quite a while, but could probably be a good insurance agent if he set his mind to it. And used his forehead for advertising. Because it's huge.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at November 29, 2014 06:19 AM (+1T7c)

16 "There's no question that we have people wanting to leave because of the unrest," said Pearce Neikirk, a long-time real estate broker in Ferguson.

Posted by: Obama Forks America at November 29, 2014 06:20 AM (e8kgV)

17 12 Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 11:11 AM (MQEz6) We also have no proof that the guy in that suit is a storm trooper rather than someone hiding or using a used suit. (Wouldn't that be interesting if after the fall of the empire, the storm troopers equipment was basically sold as surplus.) Really are people so stupid as spend a bunch of time bitching over the choice of actors in a movie based on whether they're good for their race or not. Apparently so. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at November 29, 2014 11:15 AM (HDwDg) Yup, could be a dude that went to a Battle of Endor party, had a toke of Nerf weed, and woke up in the middle of a desert. Yeah, some folks read a social and political message in everything or anything.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:20 AM (MQEz6)

18 Better a gay freedom fighter than a straight fascist.

Posted by: JohnJ at November 29, 2014 06:20 AM (WBokK)

19 Peyton Manning is in the "giant head" group if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2014 06:22 AM (AIGBI)

20 If all you know about someone is that they are a Finn, then you can logically expect they are more likely to be an introvert than the average person. That negative stereotype made me so angry that I almost said something.

Posted by: average Finn at November 29, 2014 06:22 AM (Ua6T/)

21 The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. - Ayn Rand


Religious or otherwise.

Posted by: Dirty Dingus McGee at November 29, 2014 06:22 AM (9R4HJ)

22 I'm open to having a hot Lesbian friend who has lots of hot Lesbian friends.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 06:22 AM (MQEz6)

23 I'm open to having a hot Lesbian friend who has lots of hot Lesbian friends. Wearing too many layers of flannel today.

Posted by: hot lesbian at November 29, 2014 06:23 AM (Ua6T/)

24 Better a gay freedom fighter than a straight fascist.

Gays that hate 'religion' because they live in darkness are never going to be fighting for freedom.

Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2014 06:24 AM (A6vWB)

25 I spend huge chunks  of my days surrounded by people who, if they  knew I self-identified as a conservative would probably have nothing to do with me.

Would I be better off?  I suspect your critic  there would say I would be, but I don't happen to see it that way.  I'm going to associate with people of my choosing.  I'm going to enjoy their company if I want, because that is something I can control entirely. 

What they believe, and what they would believe about me if they knew my  "secret?"  That I don't control, nor would  I ever want to. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 06:26 AM (Dj0WE)

26 22 I'm open to having a hot Lesbian friend who has lots of hot Lesbian friends. --------- Now that's the Big Tent I'm talking about.

Posted by: Karl Rove at November 29, 2014 06:27 AM (MPK82)

27 My late uncle was gay (my father's younger brother). He did not act particularly effeminate, and did not mince around or speak with a sibilant 's'. He was a pretty rock-ribbed Republican (like his mother), loved Reagan, and was pretty well -liked by his peers at work (who all came to his funeral). I've at times worked with a bunch of gay men (at a Department store many years ago), and some were weird, some were funny, some were ok and tried to do their jobs as well as possible. My parents knew the store manager, and he was a pretty manly man. I was always impressed (when I saw him) deal with some of the odder gay men, because he always treated them with respect as his employees (this was about 37 years ago). You treat people like shit and it's no surprise that they will not like you, either.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at November 29, 2014 06:27 AM (+1T7c)

28 The individual is paramount, even in a violent, lefty mob. After all, you can only settle your sight picture on one at a time. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2014 06:28 AM (RzZOc)

29 For this year's festive season he has added a new product to the range which he has titled "The Father Christmas fart pill that gives your farts the scent of chocolate".

Posted by: Obama Farts America at November 29, 2014 06:28 AM (e8kgV)

30 I was raised in Columbia, MD, from age 8-adulthood. WeirdDave and some of you mid-Atlantic folks probably know it well.

There are a lot of negatives about the place, but one thing that was awesome - and the reason my parents moved us there, despite the fact that it meant Dad had a horrible commute into DC as a result - is because it was a truly integrated place, racially and socio-economically. You could not tell based on someone's skin color if their dad was a doctor or a plumber.

That's how I was raised and that's how I approach my fellow Americans.

The only thing that has made that a harder way to live is this open borders stuff. It is harder to not jump to conclusions about people from Mexico. I regret that and I fight it every day.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:28 AM (9BRsg)

31 I'm tired of my city being used as some political pawn.

I'm tired.
I'm going grocery shopping.
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tsrblke,
You are about to embark on one of the most joyful and important adventures of your life -- fatherhood. Don't let the assholes get you down.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:30 AM (9BRsg)

32 If you meet someone and all you know is they are white -- then odds are they vote Republican, since most whites are now Republicans. As you get more information, your probabilities change. If they are male, the odds increase, if they are female they decrease. If they are 20-something and unmarried, now odds are they support Democrats. If you meet a black person, odds are 90%+ they are a Democrat. As you learn more about them, you might find out they are an Allen West type. That's a quite low probability. But demographic info contains good probability information. Middle-aged white guy who served in the military and is an NRA member --- extremely high odds he's a Republican. But there are some white guys that fit that demo who are flaming socialists. It happens. As you get more information, your probabilities update. Some info is highly predictive, others less so. Basic demographic data is actually pretty predictive of voting patterns. Increasingly so, in fact. Gimme a few facts like age, race, gender, marital status, and zip code and I can accurately predict how most people will vote without ever meeting them. I can probably do a decent job at predicting their favorite TV shows, too.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:31 AM (zwdxl)

33 Basic demographic info actually does give you information. But it's in the form of probabilities...As you get to know the person you might find they are the exception, of course, but it's perfectly logical to use the demographic information you have and the information it gives.

38% of unmarried women who voted in the last election voted for GOP candidates, but still at least three times a week the Horde trots out the old "single women are stupid and lazy and love big government and want handouts and are ruining America." 

2 in 5 chance of being wrong about an individual is not insignificant, especially after you've been told a dozen times that you're just a bigoted jackass.

Posted by: HR boozin' up the eggnog at November 29, 2014 06:31 AM (ImIut)

34

weirddave, first off I hope Gingy has a nice trip back and your extended family finds some peace.

 

Second, the comment you quoted (attacking you) is just boorish and silly, and obviously unjustified. 

 

Third, I think many people who are utterly uninterested in gay issues overall - no revulsion, no sympathy beyond the normal human kind, no religious or social engineering or public health or anything sort of particular interest - naturally and justifiably find the lynch mob phenomena associated with the campaign for marriage redefinition (that guy from the tech company, Prop 8 donor attacks, etc.) repulsive and utterly un-American.

 

Fourth, those same people may well be appalled at the way the judiciary has been misused, yet again, to legislate and control society, in this case the marriage redefinition issue.  Obviously this is just the nth case thereof.  But since it is not some critical policy or constitutional issue, but in fact a basic cultural and civilizational one, the offense is substantial.  The arrogance (and mediocrity) the judiciary has displayed in this instance (check out Kennedy's bizarre, hateful, unhinged rant) sort of makes their marriage redefinition absurdities the cherry on top for those literate enough to recall that our system was not designed so that a few unimpressive people in robes could rule over society like Bokassa I.

 

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2014 06:31 AM (afQnV)

35 Better a gay freedom fighter than a straight fascist.

Posted by: JohnJ at November 29, 2014 11:20 AM (WBokK)

+100

I think we are done here.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 06:32 AM (Zu3d9)

36 I do not care to consider them as individuals, they are not worth my time. Yeah, that's pretty breathtaking right there.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:33 AM (sdi6R)

37 "What in the Wide, Wide World 'o Sports is a goin' on here?"


Wild thread.  Hold on to your ass.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 06:34 AM (1/vWy)

38 Posted by: HR boozin' up the eggnog at November 29, 2014 11:31 AM (ImIut)

Statistics describe populations. They say nothing about the individual.

But that may be the primary conceit of the Left....that they firmly believe that this statement is incorrect.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 06:34 AM (Zu3d9)

39 Yeah, that's pretty breathtaking right there.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

It's not like they're Irish, or something as bad...like Joooos.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at November 29, 2014 06:35 AM (Zu3d9)

40 2 in 5 chance of being wrong about an individual is not insignificant, especially after you've been told a dozen times that you're just a bigoted jackass. -- Nothing you said had much to do with what I said.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:35 AM (zwdxl)

41 I've no idea if any of my friends, family or acquaintances are gay or not. I've never cared, and I've never asked. (Contrary to Westboro Baptist, God does too love gays.)

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at November 29, 2014 06:36 AM (TqyFL)

42 I like you, Costanza, but I really think you are taking this genetics determining behavior stuff too far.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:36 AM (9BRsg)

43 A point to consider is that part of the reason the Left is so successful is that they use these group identities very, very well. You can see this in left and rightwing message boards for example. We are philosophy, morality, history, etc. They argue about tactics. Yes this means conservatism is a much more robust ideology - but if one "looks at the scoreboard" that isn't doing us a lot of good.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 06:37 AM (5DM9u)

44 There are a lot of negatives about the place, but one thing that was awesome - and the reason my parents moved us there, despite the fact that it meant Dad had a horrible commute into DC as a result - is because it was a truly integrated place, racially and socio-economically. You could not tell based on someone's skin color if their dad was a doctor or a plumber.

I know that's how Columbia was designed, but what's interesting is that it has self segregated to some extent since then. And that's OK, if it is the individual's choice, people are more comfortable around other people who are "like" them, for any given value of like.

The point is that self segregation is completely in line with what I've said above, and it isn't a bad thing as long as long as it's voluntary. If the residents of Oakland Mills start pressuring someone of race X to move to Kings Contrivance because that's where all the Xs live, then it is no longer a matter of personal choice. That person is being grouped and told that his options are now limited because he belongs to a specific group. That's anathema to the idea of individual freedom.

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 06:37 AM (KAmzK)

45 Apropos of nothing, I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian. It's been a recurring theme in my life, and it's gotten to the point where I just have to laugh about it.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:38 AM (sdi6R)

46 Personally, I'm just sick of the Ghey. It's at most 10% of the population, and I think that includes a continuem of people who ever answered yes to the question: " Have you ever had gay thoughts." I don't care what you do in the bedroom. Don't stick it in my face. Munch r*g, scuk d**k, get married, I. Don't. Care. And, don't try to make me care.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 06:38 AM (5buP8)

47 Really are people so stupid as spend a bunch of time bitching over the choice of actors in a movie based on whether they're good for their race or not. Apparently so. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at November 29, 2014 11:15 AM (HDwDg) Thank you tsr...

Posted by: Samuel L.Jackson at November 29, 2014 06:40 AM (CYS6Q)

48 Well, now we get Black Storm Troopers .. hmmmmm *** Putting on my nerd hat, my memory is that as the rebellion went on the Empire needed more soldiers then just the clones and starting hiring/drafting/etc normally born people.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 06:40 AM (5DM9u)

49 " I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian"


Why do you turn women into lesbians so much?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 06:40 AM (1/vWy)

50 50 " I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian" Why do you turn women into lesbians so much? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 11:40 AM (1/vWy) Hmm. That's food for thought.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:42 AM (sdi6R)

51 46 Apropos of nothing, I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian. It's been a recurring theme in my life, and it's gotten to the point where I just have to laugh about it. I think you're transgendered: a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 06:42 AM (5buP8)

52 I know that's how Columbia was designed, but what's interesting is that it has self segregated to some extent since then.
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Yep, that's my impression of what's happened.

I do think the design of putting high density housing near the village centers and the placement of the schools helps keep it fairly integrated. Kings Contrivance was always the "rich" neighborhood -- and the only one that I can remember. Oakland Mills had sections with bigger houses or smaller houses or apartments, but no really rich neighborhoods.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:42 AM (9BRsg)

53 Equality as a starting point elevates the individual. Equality as an ending point submerses the individual into a robotic sameness; cud-chewing ruminants, as it were, although even cows have more individuality than the Progressives would like humans to have.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at November 29, 2014 06:42 AM (TqyFL)

54 It's at most 10% of the population *** My memory is that the percentage of people who've ever had sexual relations with the same sex is around 1-2%. This is slightly more then the percentage of people who are asexual.... Of course if you watch infotainment on the alphabets you'd think is was 25%.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 06:43 AM (5DM9u)

55 That's what you get when you treat people as individuals. Peyton Manning would likely be a lousy insurance agent. I'm a stellar one. I'm a lousy QB. He's better. Each of us got that way by making the most of our individual abilities and opportunities.

Based on my observations, many Libs are good at precisely nothing other than sneering at others.  I think that's why they become Libs.  Think Joe Biden.

Posted by: pep at November 29, 2014 06:45 AM (4nR9/)

56 It seems that because I have a gay friend, and because I respect and like her and am able to discuss serious topics with her, I am a deluded fool. The poster was dismayed that s/he had to read such drivel "on a conservative blog", Wow. Whoever that was is a total j@ck@$$, hasn't a clue, and needs to get out more (or something). That's all I've got. Someone who has/had many gay friends myself cannot wrap their head around such narrow minded (really ignorant) tools. Why even bother responding to someone with so much hate in their souls? Guess I need to read the rest of this post to see what you have to say in response. hehe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2014 06:47 AM (IXrOn)

57 Based on my observations, many Libs are good at precisely nothing other than sneering at others. I think that's why they become Libs. Think Joe Biden. Oh, you're Marshall McLuhan now?

Posted by: Sneering Joey Trains at November 29, 2014 06:47 AM (Ua6T/)

58 "Hmm. That's food for thought."


Just funning you, you asshole.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 06:48 AM (1/vWy)

59 Story time for the Horde!

A few years ago, I took a sociology class (don't judge me, it was required) and during that class, the discussion turned to stereotyping. I listened to the professor for a few minutes, then said something along these lines:

'Stereotyping is a survival mechanism. When you're walking along and someone approaches you, you don't have time to get to know them. You don't have time to figure out if that person, as an individual, is a threat to your life. So, you take the first three or four most visible traits of that person, and extrapolate a series of conclusions based on prior knowledge of those traits. And usually, that will give you a pretty good idea if your life is in danger at that moment.'

Everyone in that class looked at me like I had three heads. The teacher didn't really say much, just went on with the lecture as if I hadn't spoken. A the time, I wasn't less politically and philosophically astute than I am now, so I didn't follow my comment through to its logical conclusions, which is that, for liberals and assorted fascists, they stop at the stereotype. Once they realize that their life is not in danger from the person on the street, they don't bother to find out anything more. Intelligent people, OTOH, take the time to talk to the person, and make sure that he/she is not a threat. Then they can go on with their lives, or find some common ground with the stranger.

The tl;dr version of that book I just wrote is that liberal tend to treat people as if they have no value as individuals. Conservatives tend to look deeper.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 06:48 AM (ThxKk)

60 51 -

But seriously, I'm kinda there myself.  I have a friend who  I believe is  in a relationship with another woman, but we don't  talk about it.  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a sexual relationship or not, because, as I said, we don't talk about it. 

We are  very very close  in so many ways,  and I know she  has more or less sworn off men because  of previous abuse, but I think we're doing some odd sort of dance right  now, where if she ever decides  to take a chance again, I think we could  make a go of it. 

Or not.  At this point  in my life  it doesn't really matter.  I mean, it does, but  I'm perfectly content being single. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 06:48 AM (Dj0WE)

61 i have a ghey uncle who is in his 70's, who never "officially" came out of the closet and who is now living in a rest home with late stage dementia....i don't like him.....not for his dementia....but for how he lived his life hurting other people...especially my mom. he was a grifter and he kept it well hidden until he lost his faculties and everything became exposed about 5 years ago when my sister took over his conservatorship .... when i worked in a bank....most all of the men that worked there were ghey....a very close friend of mine died of aids in the early 90's....while i never pretended with them that i agreed with their lifestyle, i love them as i love any of my straight friends. i have a good friend that is a lesbian.....i love her....i love her wife....again i don't agree with their life choice but i love them....they are lovable.....i love my husbands step brother who is ghey and married....he and his husband are two of the nicest men and genuinely good people i have ever met in my life....and when i think of my favorite people in my life, they always make the cut.... gheys are people just like us.....i don't have to agree with their life style i don't have to like them as individuals the same way i don't have to like straight people as individuals...i can't pick and choose in my life who i like and who i don't like....and it has nothing to do with who they choose to love......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 98 days until Spring Training at November 29, 2014 06:49 AM (u8GsB)

62 Can I still go to heaven if I was gay for pay in my hot youth?

Posted by: Brad Pitt at November 29, 2014 06:50 AM (zg/IS)

63 Fundamentally,  when I am really really hung over, I take a drink



That would be right now.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 06:51 AM (0FSuD)

64

Dave, to focus a bit on some components of the issues you raised.

 

The "gay mafia" is a harsh and deserved term for a real, and unusual, phenomenon - the extraordinary control that certain mindsets have in the areas of culture and entertainment.  Mindset, not actual sexual orientation, actually.  The relentless, and at times ridiculous, heavy-handed propagandizing of one group's sensibilities or ideas in education, movies, TV, etc.

 

Note:  this is an example of a broader issue.  Think of the amazing and absurd prevalence of "fictional" constructs in entertainment where private business, big business, the US, the US military, white males, etc. are demonized and almost ALWAYS the villainous element.  It's been going on for decades, and the impact is quite real and pernicious.  The gay thing is just the latest addition to that trend, and (appropriately?) has been rather histrionic (making classic comic characters gay, for example).

 

I hate the term "tolerance", because it implies there is something to be tolerated, in a negative sense.  Anyway, my "tolerance" is omnidirectional.  Meaning I'm not going to treat someone differently if they're gay, nor if they're someone uneasy with gay-ness due to fundamental religious belief.  They'll get treated as individuals by me, always. 

 

I'm an anti-tribalist (have been using the term and concept since before the web existed based on direct observation at the highest levels), and in that sense a good American, in the sense of the America that exists less and less any more.  Note how "tolerance" and un-American group ID politics/cultural tactics rise in parallel .....

 

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2014 06:52 AM (afQnV)

65 He called you the tribalist? Interesting.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 29, 2014 06:53 AM (UvR6d)

66 Short and sweet. Now, back to making pizza (yeah, I know, AFTER a big ole Thanksgiving dinner feast). I was in the mood. Just going with a quick cheese-only. I had one more container of my homemade pizza sauce in the freezer, mozzarella in the fridge, and a bread machine that make pizza dough in 45 minutes. A sprinkle of Parmigiano-Reggiano and hot pepper flakes, a splash of olive oil. Good to go. My husband's not complaining. (and soccer of course! ManU just won, Chelsea up!)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2014 06:53 AM (IXrOn)

67 63 -

Oh Bradley,  I'm about 0% ghey, and  I think you are older than me, but you are still in your hot youth.  Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 06:54 AM (Dj0WE)

68 I'll believe our society is truly nondiscriminatory against gays when they are featured as the home robbers in ADT commercials, and they don't leave the house looking better than when they broke in.

Posted by: pep at November 29, 2014 06:56 AM (4nR9/)

69 To be fair, one person's ability to excel at being a serial killer could have quite a profound effect on someone else's ability to be a baker.

Posted by: hawkpilot at November 29, 2014 06:57 AM (Pm9lF)

70 Let us review another fine example of, DUH?! Gene: The education system, controlled by dhimmicrats and indoctrinating our little special snow flakes, have pushed for? Smaller class sizes, more INDUHVIDUAL instruction. All while doing everything in their power to stop charter schools and home schooling. CS and HS are, for the most part, WORKING examples of their goal of smaller class sizes and INDUHVIDUAL instruction. But NOooo they're not on the right tax payer tit and they can't control the indoctrination process. They're working to correct those 2 flaws comrades.

Posted by: Fewenuff at November 29, 2014 06:58 AM (zPNX5)

71 44 A point to consider is that part of the reason the Left is so successful is that they use these group identities very, very well...You can see this in left and rightwing message boards for example. We are philosophy, morality, history, etc. They argue about tactics...Yes this means conservatism is a much more robust ideology - but if one "looks at the scoreboard" that isn't doing us a lot of good. Posted by: 18-1 This is a good point. Groups are easier to herd, individuals not so much. When in an aggrieved group you look outward for a villain, when not in a group you must look inward to find fault. From a management perspective the democrats have the upper hand because of their grouping model. Republicans are always going to have a difficult time gaining new members if they don't blame some other out-group for the unlucky cards of life. What to do then? Well, one group I belong to is the 'very-fcuking-tired-of-paying-taxes-so-others-can-get-free-shit'. There's a group the republicans should be talking to...

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 06:59 AM (xdMK5)

72 I think we are done here.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 11:32 AM (Zu3d9)



What about us gay Fascists?

Posted by: zombie Ernst Rohm at November 29, 2014 07:00 AM (tvB15)

73 A prog will tell you with a straight face that the black, female child of the President of the United States is an oppressed victim (two traits assigned to the groups "black" and "woman") and should therefore be given preferential treatment over the son of an illiterate Appalachian coal miner ("white","male") when applying for college. Illiterate white male Appalachians you say....

Posted by: Chuck Yeager and Homer Hickam at November 29, 2014 07:00 AM (G1XMn)

74 70 -

A rather high percentage of German serial killers also  made  sausages for a living.

Food for thought...

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:01 AM (Dj0WE)

75 As for the ghey thing. Personally I could careless. When you start forcing people to care you lose me. What is your agenda? To be recognized legally or culturally? Put the ghey mafia out of business and we'll talk. Until then you're talking to the wrong guy for anything more then a dismissive sigh.

Posted by: Fewenuff at November 29, 2014 07:03 AM (zPNX5)

76 The Golden Rule works wonders. That being said I am not interested in hearing about any fag's love life nor should their relationships be given the same status as a marriage for it is sinful and perverted. Where you stick it is your choice; it is and will always be a choice.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 29, 2014 07:05 AM (lhnDZ)

77 4 Herds are easier to control. Exactly. And easier to demonize or put on a pedestal.

Posted by: Book at November 29, 2014 07:05 AM (AlkUj)

78 According to the census data and best info in studies, the maximum realistic number of homosexuals in the general population is around 3%, and likely lower. Its just very concentrated in certain sectors of the culture that have a disproportionate influence on society and law. I agree in regards to the individual vs the collective and all but this isn't all wrong: They will throw you under the bus when they obtain all the stupid things they want (destroying religious freedom) but you are too stupid to pay attention. I wouldn't put it that way and I don't think that Weird Dave is stupid, but certainly the goal is to destroy all that makes up what every civilization that has ever existed relied upon to survive with any shred of cohesion and longevity. And it is done not out of a sense of justice or rights, but simply because a very small portion of the population wants to feel less guilty and strange.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:06 AM (39g3+)

79 What to do then? Well, one group I belong to is the 'very-fcuking-tired-of-paying-taxes-so-others-can-get-free-shit'. There's a group the republicans should be talking to... I would love to see a candidate Cruz or Paul run on a platform of "tax amnesty". Something along the lines of... President Obama spent his presidency taking from the working people of America to give to his friends and allies. If I am elected I pledge to reverse this. Some will say that this will cost the government too much money. Well I think the government has taken enough damn money from the working people of America, and if you agree we can change the direction of this country together.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 07:06 AM (5DM9u)

80 because Pat was excelling at being a serial killer I wasn't trying to. It just sorta happened that way.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 29, 2014 07:06 AM (1x7fc)

81 A conservative, on the other hand, knows that this country was founded on the primacy of the individual. ------- Actually on the primacy of the individuals who were members of a particular group (or at least not members of specific 'other' groups). To ignore that reality completely misses the fact that this was a successful settler state not a individualist, utopian dream. 'Conservatives' know so many things that aren't so.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 29, 2014 07:06 AM (z27Ny)

82 The "gay mafia" is a harsh and deserved term for a real, and unusual, phenomenon - the extraordinary control that certain mindsets have in the areas of culture and entertainment. Mindset, not actual sexual orientation, actually. The relentless, and at times ridiculous, heavy-handed propagandizing of one group's sensibilities or ideas in education, movies, TV, etc.

Sure. I'm down with that. But that doesn't mean that every gay person automatically supports the GM any more than every woman supports NOW or every black the NAACP. In fact, recognizing that people are individuals is the key to breaking Dem voting monopolies. Costanza Defense points out that blacks vote 90% Dem. True. But suppose we can peel off just 10% by showing blacks that conservatives are sensitive to their individual concerns? 10% of (round numbers) 40 million black folks in the US is 4 million. What was the Dem margin of victory in the past two presidential elections again? Hmmmm.

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 07:08 AM (KAmzK)

83 76 Hodges said he's not sure if the brain in the bucket belongs to Walker's late husband, Michael Doris, or if it's even a brain at all. Posted by: ISIL School of Pathology at November 29, 2014 12:02 PM (e8kgV) You can't tell until you open the lid on the bucket.

Posted by: Erwin Schrödinger at November 29, 2014 07:08 AM (sdi6R)

84 76 -

I read that whole thing expecting a punchline at the end.  Something of the ilk of a "that's the beer that made Mel Famey walk us,"  or something of the sort.

Otherwise, I have no idea what  that was. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:08 AM (Dj0WE)

85 And it is done not out of a sense of justice or rights, but simply because a very small portion of the population wants to feel less guilty and strange. *** This is indeed what the left offers homosexuals, but of course the intent of this from a leftwing political perspective is that if you destroy all the traditional pillars of society you can then build your utopia from the ashes - you can see the same sort of thing in revolutionary France for example.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 07:08 AM (5DM9u)

86 Smaller class sizes, more INDUHVIDUAL instruction.

All while doing everything in their power to stop charter schools and home schooling. CS and HS are, for the most part, WORKING examples of their goal of smaller class sizes and INDUHVIDUAL instruction. But NOooo they're not on the right tax payer tit and they can't control the indoctrination process. They're working to correct those 2 flaws comrades.



Posted by: Fewenuff at November 29, 2014 11:58 AM (zPNX5)



Smaller class size, more unionized teachers, more teachers union "donations" to the Donk party.



Smaller class sizes, more thorough marxist indoctrination of your children.



Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2014 07:09 AM (tvB15)

87 I'm a lousy QB. He's better. Maybe, just a bit.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 07:10 AM (rwI+c)

88 I wouldn't put it that way and I don't think that Weird Dave is stupid, but certainly the goal is to destroy all that makes up what every civilization that has ever existed relied upon to survive with any shred of cohesion and longevity. And it is done not out of a sense of justice or rights, but simply because a very small portion of the population wants to feel less guilty and strange. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 12:06 PM (39g3+) Progressivism has long sought to supplant traditional morality and long established social conventions with their "scientific" replacements. Whether the gay rights movement are fellow travelers or simply dupes, large segments seem to have embraced the radicalism. Gay marriage for them isn't about Willie and Joe being able to have certain legal rights, it's about undermining straight marriages undermining anything that could challenge the state's new morality.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 29, 2014 07:10 AM (10ydV)

89 I'm sick of heterosexuals shoving their sexuality in my face. Re: kardashians Any attention starved starlet Magazine covers Your mom

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 29, 2014 07:10 AM (2xQVl)

90 Herds are easier to control.


Exactly. And easier to demonize or put on a pedestal.

Posted by: Book at November 29, 2014 12:05 PM (AlkUj)

Precisely. I've been wondering a little if there's something in people's personalities that drives them to be more liberal or conservative, aside from their experiences. Maybe it's just because I'm an introvert, but I think introversion- in the sense of not needing much social interaction- is more compatible with conservatism. Extroversion- needing social interaction- seems to be a more liberal mindset. And it makes them easier to control, because extroverts don't want to be kicked out of the herd, so the threat of ostracism is enough to make them toe the line.


Anybody else have similar thoughts, or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:11 AM (ThxKk)

91 I wouldn't put it that way and I don't think that Weird Dave is stupid, but certainly the goal is to destroy all that makes up what every civilization that has ever existed relied upon to survive with any shred of cohesion and longevity. And it is done not out of a sense of justice or rights, but simply because a very small portion of the population wants to feel less guilty and strange.

Stipulated (except the me not being stupid part, jury is still out on that one). But that doesn't mean every gay person supports those goals.

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 07:12 AM (KAmzK)

92 Peyton Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" While Wes Welker wrestles the python, I'll return to the campsite to set up tomorrow's activities.

Posted by: Payton Manning at November 29, 2014 07:12 AM (rwI+c)

93 A rather high percentage of German serial killers also made sausages for a living. Food for thought... Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 12:01 PM (Dj0WE) Sepp Dietrich was a butcher. Just sayin'. No. A real butcher.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 29, 2014 07:13 AM (1x7fc)

94 I'll believe our society is truly nondiscriminatory against gays when they are featured as the home robbers in ADT commercials, and they don't leave the house looking better than when they broke in. You Brute!!!!

Posted by: Adriane the Movie Critic ... at November 29, 2014 07:14 AM (P+IZm)

95 In fact, recognizing that people are individuals is the key to breaking Dem voting monopolies. *** There is a difference in the Democrat demographics though. Single women, blacks, and academia for example are part of the movement for the monetary handouts. The left has convinced them that their financial success is dependent on looting the middle class, or as the left calls it "the 1%". The "gay mafia", environmentalists, and the idle rich want to destroy our society as it has existed until this point. You can probably peel off the first three groups if you could just get through to them and break the system that indoctrinates them. The latter three groups it seems highly unlikely you could ever accommodate.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 07:14 AM (5DM9u)

96 Treating people as individuals does one thing for society as a whole: it raises the mean. Confining people into groups depresses it. Treating people as individuals results in better outcomes for a higher percentage of the population than doing otherwise. Shouldn't that be the goal of any successful society? It's crystal clear to me that Prog/Com/Dims don't want a successful society. What they want is stupid, immature sheeple that are easily controlled, will believe anything they're told and vote in lockstep. That's how those who seek power want a society, any society, structured. They love the power and money they can gather from those type of "people." They love the orgasmic ecstasy they get from controlling others, never realizing that they're in the clutches of a serious mental illness. Nor do the controlees realize they're being used and manipulated by sick people.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 07:14 AM (0HooB)

97 Personally I'm a pre-op transgender lesbian. I just love women but h8 doctors.

Posted by: Fewenuff at November 29, 2014 07:15 AM (zPNX5)

98 Someone grab Dave.  Football thread??

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:17 AM (0FSuD)

99 One of the confusions the left gets into is the idea that individualism necessarily precludes society or cooperation. They make an idiot caricature of what they disagree with, then attack that, getting straw all over the place. For example, the rugged individual who settled the old west relied on goods he could buy from other individuals, and a social contract by which he gained from the culture by surrendering small non-critical parts of the expression of his liberty. The leftist reads this and says "see? see? collectivism! Not individual!" as one dunce above posted. The point they miss is that collectivism sees people as groups rather than separate people, and judges them based on their identity group rather than each person as they are separate from others. The farmer working in is field is just that man, not "white farmer." Collective vs individual isn't one vs many, its individual vs arbitrary groups imposed by commissars.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:17 AM (39g3+)

100 WeirdDave the problem is short of becoming Donkey II electric Boogaloo I don't think 1.0% of Obama voter A-As would have pondered voting for us.

There is no disincentive for anyone in America to tribe up but conservative whites....

I believe in Love Locke hate Marx, but it failed....

and in failing I suspect we have lost the Republic.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 07:17 AM (/4AZU)

101 Maybe it's just because I'm an introvert, but I think introversion- in the sense of not needing much social interaction- is more compatible with conservatism. Extroversion- needing social interaction- seems to be a more liberal mindset. And it makes them easier to control, because extroverts don't want to be kicked out of the herd, so the threat of ostracism is enough to make them toe the line. Anybody else have similar thoughts, or am I barking up the wrong tree here? Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:11 PM (ThxKk) --------- Right Wing Whippersnapper, I just mentioned this very thing to someone recently. I posited that liberals tended to gravitate to managerial positions and lib-cons stayed in the weeds doing the technical work. This is just based on personal observation, of course. But I think the introvert/extrovert tendencies explains why management skews liberal. And they seem to need feedback from the echo chamber more than us creepy loners do, which means they select for that.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 07:17 AM (QBm1P)

102 Middle-aged white guy who served in the military and is an NRA member --- extremely high odds he's a Republican. But there are some white guys that fit that demo who are flaming socialists. It happens. Saw a white guy in small town Texas yesterday driving a Ford Explorer. Banner sticker across middle of back window read, "Retired US Army". Sticker in lower left corner of window read, "Wendy Davis for Governor". Go figure.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 29, 2014 07:18 AM (jQMPk)

103 98 It's crystal clear to me that Prog/Com/Dims don't want a successful society. What they want is stupid, immature sheeple that are easily controlled, will believe anything they're told and vote in lockstep. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 29, 2014 12:14 PM (0HooB) Leftists (either Communists or Nazis) tend to exterminate the more intelligent members of society, because those people tend to be independent-minded, harder to control, and oppose their rule.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 07:19 AM (sdi6R)

104 I have a gay friend

Wait...

You have friends?

Interesting....

Tell me, can other people see your friend?

On a more serious note, the progs tend toward more high-schoolish anctics far more than most conservatives do in my experience.  You have to like the right people, dress the right way, parrot the correct belief system, and never ever speak kindly of the dreaded "outsiders."

In other words, they tend to never grow up.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 07:19 AM (ckDea)

105 and in failing I suspect we have lost the Republic. Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 29, 2014 12:17 PM (/4AZU) -------- Indeed. The old Republic is gone, never to return. Great while it lasted. Long live the Republic!

Posted by: RioBravo at November 29, 2014 07:20 AM (z27Ny)

106 Right Wing Whippersnapper, I just mentioned this very thing to someone recently. I posited that liberals tended to gravitate to managerial positions and lib-cons stayed in the weeds doing the technical work. This is just based on personal observation, of course. But I think the introvert/extrovert tendencies explains why management skews liberal. ---- Competency. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach, administrate.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 29, 2014 07:21 AM (jQMPk)

107 In other words, they tend to never grow up.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 12:19 PM (ckDea)

So, Peter Pan was the original liberal, huh? Explains a few things.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:21 AM (ThxKk)

108 Oh we've lost the republic, but we still have our local communities, and those are what we need to understand and work within. The nation as a whole is a write off. Its amusing in a disaster movie sort of way to watch what is happening, but its out of our hands. So we need to look to our neighbors and communities and towns. There we can have an impact and, God willing, in a few generations build something better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:22 AM (39g3+)

109 104 -

Oh, I think the military has had more than its share of lifer liberals, who have learned very well how to suck off the government teet. 

Not a very high percentage, but they most certainly do exist. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:22 AM (Dj0WE)

110 Y'know, we're missing the most important aspect of this story. WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT?????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2014 07:22 AM (OMTVG)

111 Dave, agree with the gist of the piece but your title could not be more wrong. The needs (or rights, if you prefer) of the individual outweigh the wants of the many, but not their rights. See Ebola nurse for the near-perfect recent example. Her liberty to travel as she pleased does not outweigh the need of the population to be kept safe from epidemic--to argue otherwise is a virtual suicide pact, or pro-anarchy. Vis a vis the respect for an individual as an end unto himself and not just of extrinsic value only in terms of societal victimhood or blame worthiness, though, is the major difference in the contemporary culture.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 29, 2014 07:23 AM (Gosad)

112 In other words, they tend to never grow up. Posted by: Deathknyte --------------------- Spoiled brats, throwing tantrums.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 29, 2014 07:23 AM (F2IAQ)

113 I helped put a ghey guy in business thirty years ago, he's a florist.


Sadly he is dying of some sort of intestinal problems, it's not AIDS.



I visited him yesterday at the hospital.  He going home today to die.   All this happened in TWO WEEKS.



Life is short horde.    He married his boyfriend Tuesday.




Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:23 AM (0FSuD)

114 Y'know, we're missing the most important aspect of this story.

WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT?????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2014 12:22 PM (OMTVG)


As long as he doesn't sell door-to-door, I think we're safe.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:24 AM (ThxKk)

115 Y'know, we're missing the most important aspect of this story. WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT????? She sounds hideous.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 29, 2014 07:24 AM (jQMPk)

116 WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT????? Posted by: IllTemperedCur ----------------- This is very well known. We don't talk about it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 29, 2014 07:24 AM (F2IAQ)

117 WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT?????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2014 12:22 PM (OMTVG)


Wait WeirdDave is Jake at State Farm?



Small world.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:25 AM (0FSuD)

118 Middle-aged white guy who served in the military and is an NRA member --- extremely high odds he's a Republican. But there are some white guys that fit that demo who are flaming socialists. It happens. --------------- There's a gaggle of white married military libs in my office. My single female renter vote can only nullify one of them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 07:25 AM (QBm1P)

119 "WeirdDave is a fuckin' INSURANCE AGENT?????"


There are other insurance agents on this board. 


Tread lightly. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 07:25 AM (1/vWy)

120 ...Precisely. I've been wondering a little if there's something in people's personalities that drives them to be more liberal or conservative, aside from their experiences. Maybe it's just because I'm an introvert, but I think introversion- in the sense of not needing much social interaction- is more compatible with conservatism. Extroversion- needing social interaction- seems to be a more liberal mindset. And it makes them easier to control, because extroverts don't want to be kicked out of the herd, so the threat of ostracism is enough to make them toe the line. Anybody else have similar thoughts, or am I barking up the wrong tree here? Posted by: right wing whippersnapper I would agree with this. As everyone knows here liberals approach solutions to complex problems with their emotions, how they feel for the aggrieved. Conservatives prefer the hard science of human behavior and personal responsibility. As humans we tend to avoid pain, and liberals would rather not look inward at their own faults as much as look at others and point. Conservatives don't blame the world on others, and so aren't looking for compensation for their lot in life.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 07:26 AM (xdMK5)

121 My single female renter vote can only nullify one of them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 12:25 PM (QBm1P)

Then you're not doing it right

Posted by: Community organizer...Right Wing Edition at November 29, 2014 07:27 AM (Zu3d9)

122 Wait, I thought the Ebola Czar fixed all this. DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 6m 1,000 New Ebola Deaths -- in Last 2 Days! http://drudge.tw/1vwilFI

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 07:27 AM (zwdxl)

123 The never grow up thing isn't exactly true; they do mature in one sense. Its that their ideology, their worldview never grows up. Its stunted by emotion and desire that trumps objective reality for them. What they wish was true matters more and supplants what actually IS true. They remain stuck in a childish position which I suppose Freud would call "ego-driven" in which everything is reduced to desires and wills rather than truths and reality.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:27 AM (39g3+)

124 Can I still be mad at an ex who I found out was living with a partner while dating me? Like what Chely Wright did to Brad Paisley?

Posted by: Question at November 29, 2014 07:27 AM (g1jto)

125 Nice post. A large part of the gay community certainly deserves disdain and have gone overboard pushing their agenda. I am a gay conservative, there are many of us, more than most realize.

Posted by: beerologist at November 29, 2014 07:27 AM (rTqAd)

126 Someone grab Dave. Football thread?? Yeah, I'm ready to present a Tobanalysis of why Lane Kiffin might be a good play caller, but is a bad fit for Alabama, or any SECWD team.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 07:28 AM (rwI+c)

127 I think the Left has been, over the years, somewhat schizophrenic on individual vs. group rights. They have been adamant about the individual's rights to ignore public social standards on some issue of the moment -- social standards which allow wildly differing individuals to coexist peacefully. This kind of destruction tends to affect children negatively first. Then, when the consequences of their destruction start to affect them personally in negative ways, they replace the standards they have destroyed with laws and rules. See the excesses and irrationalities of: "Yes means Yes". Dennis Prager has for many years made a distinction between reasonable public standards for behavior in a polite society and standards for behavior in private, where he believes wide latitude should be given.

Posted by: KT at November 29, 2014 07:28 AM (qahv/)

128 I think it is a profound mis-understanding of the Progressive Left to think they want the country to be a "disaster". They already THINK it's a disaster and want to fix it. It's correct, that they want to destroy all the old norms and replace them with their new and improved ideas. They want to re-enact the French Revolution, except for the part where they consume each other, and then a fascist dictator comes along that mouths all their platitudes and leads them to wars of conquest and is eventually defeated. Because they are all scientific and read books and stuff. It's not so much a conscious will to destroy for most of them, but it is a death wish. They do, in part, want bad things to happen to expell their unearned guilt for things they didn't do and feel guilty about.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at November 29, 2014 07:28 AM (+1T7c)

129 >>All while doing everything in their power to stop charter schools and home schooling. CS and HS are, for the most part, WORKING examples of their goal of smaller class sizes and INDUHVIDUAL instruction. But NOooo they're not on the right tax payer tit I suppose it would be wrong for me to start referring to myself as a Wrong Tit Homeschooler. Hell of a nic, though.

Posted by: Mama AJ, WTH at November 29, 2014 07:28 AM (0xTsz)

130 109 In other words, they tend to never grow up.


Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 12:19 PM (ckDea)
So, Peter Pan was the original liberal, huh? Explains a few things.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:21 PM (ThxKk

 

Well yeah.  Haven't you ever seen the play?  Peter Pan is obviously a transvestite.  A woman dressing up as a man.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2014 07:28 AM (zt+N6)

131 we had an ebola scare in my little community!!!!! some guy returned from sierra leon and is running a low grade fever....he's tested negative for ebola.......or so they say.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 98 days until Spring Training at November 29, 2014 07:29 AM (u8GsB)

132 Leftists (either Communists or Nazis) tend to exterminate the more intelligent members of society, because those people tend to be independent-minded, harder to control, and oppose their rule. Posted by: rickl ------------------ The 'extermination' isn't necessarily physical. Consider the Chinese 'Cultural Revolution'. Of course the Marxists mostly want to be rid of the troublesome middle class.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 29, 2014 07:29 AM (F2IAQ)

133 @ 126


No.  You trusted that chick?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 07:29 AM (1/vWy)

134 ok this is about the strangest post and comments I've read here to date. What the fuck are we talking about? I think it just may be too deep for me.

Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 07:29 AM (in9qW)

135 121 -

I think that is the general theme of this post:

We should  all tolerate each  other, as long as we don't  try to force  others  to buy into our particular policies. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:30 AM (Dj0WE)

136 Yeah, I'm ready to present a Tobanalysis of why Lane Kiffin might be a good play caller, but is a bad fit for Alabama, or any SECWD team. LK has just one job today. Teh Big Payback.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 07:30 AM (0HooB)

137 Know what Crank? You're right. And that's how I intended to phrase it. I didn't notice until you pointed it out that I had slipped back into a closer approximation of the Star Trek quote.

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 07:30 AM (KAmzK)

138 weirddave what kind of insurance?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 98 days until Spring Training at November 29, 2014 07:31 AM (u8GsB)

139 We should all tolerate each other, as long as we don't try to force others to buy into our particular policies. I think that one shouldn't needlessly offend the majority though. I'm not going to pry into your doings unless I have too.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 07:31 AM (rwI+c)

140 Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 12:23 PM (0FSuD) Intestinal cancers can be silent and devastating. May his family & friends find strength and be comforted. Baring a Miracle, May his passing be as painless as possible...

Posted by: Adriane ... at November 29, 2014 07:32 AM (P+IZm)

141 I am a gay conservative, there are many of us, more than most realize.

Posted by: beerologist at November 29, 2014 12:27 PM (rTqAd)

Don't be ridiculous.

There is no such thing. The statistics are firm.

;-)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 07:32 AM (Zu3d9)

142 Suffer the little straight children to come to me.

Posted by: Westboro Jesus at November 29, 2014 07:33 AM (1Y+hH)

143 Its stunted by emotion and desire that trumps objective reality for them. What they wish was true matters more and supplants what actually IS true. Yeah, fuckin' tell me about it....

Posted by: Fergeson Mo. Small Business Owners at November 29, 2014 07:33 AM (1x7fc)

144 You got schooled.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 29, 2014 07:33 AM (iYBjo)

145 If Dana fails at being a baker, it should be because of Dana's choices, not because Pat was excelling at being a serial killer.

So Pat killed Dana then?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2014 07:33 AM (NtzGn)

146 ok this is about the strangest post and comments I've read here to date. What the fuck are we talking about? I think it just may be too deep for me.

Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 12:29 PM (in9qW)


Well, there's one conversation about the gay mafia, one dealing with individual vs. collectives, and everyone just wigged out over finding out that weirddave's an insurance agent. Pretty typical for the Horde, actually.

Unless it's an ONT. Then there's more alcohol involved.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:34 AM (ThxKk)

147 Really, Rivalry weekend and no football thread?

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2014 07:34 AM (zt+N6)

148 and everyone just wigged out over finding out that weirddave's an insurance agent Don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 07:35 AM (rwI+c)

149 @148 That made me laugh. Nice summary!

Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 07:35 AM (in9qW)

150 We should all tolerate each other, as long as we don't try to force others to buy into our particular policies. Posted by: BurtTC --------------------- If you like your policy, you can keep your policy. Period.

Posted by: Barky at November 29, 2014 07:36 AM (028dR)

151 149 -

I really don't care about college  (i.e. semi-pro)  football, but I love the fact that Missouri can go in and upset the SEC by beating whichever team  grabs  the other  division title.

Mostly because heads would explode  all over the South.  I have no love for my state's team. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:36 AM (Dj0WE)

152 Oh the joy.   UNC-CH is playing NC State.  State just scored, it's being play in Commie Land, Chapel Hill.




The ad sponsor on the telecast?   Koch Industries!    Fuck you pinkos up the ass!



Oh, and EAT ME.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:37 AM (0FSuD)

153 136 ok this is about the strangest post and comments I've read here to date. What the fuck are we talking about? I think it just may be too deep for me. Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 12:29 PM (in9qW) The post was about the individual vs. the collective. The comments kind of went off into the weeds talking about gays, which wasn't exactly the point of the post.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 07:37 AM (sdi6R)

154 >>This is just based on personal observation, of course. But I think the introvert/extrovert tendencies explains why management skews liberal. And they seem to need feedback from the echo chamber more than us creepy loners do, which means they select for that. Find a new job. I'm in management and have been for years. I've never seen a higher percentage of liberals versus conservatives save for when I am interacting with industries that tend to skew liberal like the one we are communicating on. In fact, I've found conservatives to be better managers of people. They care more about individual performance over group think.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 29, 2014 07:38 AM (g1DWB)

155 Remember after 250 posts we can have a gun thread!



Speaking of that where is our football thread?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:38 AM (0FSuD)

156 but I love the fact that Missouri can go in and upset the SEC by beating whichever team grabs the other division title Anything is possible. I've actually been quite impressed with how quickly Missouri went from being the bitch of the ED to winning it outright and bestriding the division like a colossus.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 07:38 AM (rwI+c)

157 The problem most people have is that they fall for the "nice guy" syndrome. Its what infuriated the left when Oliver North testified, its what fools people into thinking maybe a serial killer isn't guilty: they seem so nice. Without contact with homosexuals, or being aware who is one, people get all sorts of images and concepts in their mind what one is like, then when they meet one they find out "well this guy is just like you or I!" as if somehow being homosexual makes you inhuman or mutant. Being a nice guy doesn't make you right though. Being a nice guy doesn't make what you're doing okay. Being a nice guy doesn't justify your behavior or sanctify your actions. It just means that we're complex creatures that have different facets, and sometimes the monster is the good guy, sometimes the good seeming guy is the monster. And that's the essence of individual vs collective: it what you do that matters, not what you seem to be.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:39 AM (39g3+)

158 The UNC players will not be able to read the scoreboard. Advantage: State

Posted by: Barky at November 29, 2014 07:39 AM (F2IAQ)

159 It IS possible to make temporary judgments about people because of superficial markers.

Depending on the circumstances, those judgments might cause you to make decisions that could save your life or put you in a bad position.

Making any decision based solely on superficial markers can lead to bad results. Wrongly judging those superficial markers due to bad information can lead to bad results.

Constantly making bad decisions based on bad jugments will lead to a lot of trouble for those that do so.

It's back to an old aphorism  borrowed from computers; Garbage In, Garbage Out.

And our judgments are partly the result of our own experiences and experiences of others that we respect.

We also tend to try to socially shame those who draw different conclusions than ours which may or may not be a good thing.

Right now some very cockeyed perceptions are floating around out there that are very incorrect or unfounded in reality.

Which is why the facts of a situation and the truth are so necessary to making accurate assessments.

Yet Accademe and the InfoTainment Industry seem to be determined to force as many people as possible into believing and retaining bad information.

Until the truth is known and becomes widespread knowledge, lies will abound and chaos will rule.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 29, 2014 07:39 AM (KK+mC)

160 and it's really the wants of the one outweigh the basic principles of the many

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 29, 2014 07:39 AM (iYBjo)

161 Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:21 PM (ThxKk)


Peter Pan...

Hangs out with mythical beings (fairies)
Simplifies his world view  (my group good, all others bad)

Didn't he start to grow up after Wendy entered the picture?  It's been several decades since I last saw the film.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 07:40 AM (ckDea)

162 150 and everyone just wigged out over finding out that weirddave's an insurance agent Don't ask, don't tell. Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 12:35 PM (rwI+c) It started in college. He was curious.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 07:40 AM (MQEz6)

163 Now that I've been brought up to speed by whippersnapper here's my 2 cents: 1- I see no problem with lesbians as long as they're hot. 2- I can drink as an individual or with a group. Doesn't matter. 3- Never really liked Payton. 4- WTF, Daves an insurance agent? Go figure.

Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 07:40 AM (in9qW)

164 You can't swing an insurance agent around here without hitting a lawyer.

Posted by: toby928(C) poluting your thread with football at November 29, 2014 07:41 AM (rwI+c)

165 It started in college. He was curious.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 12:40 PM (MQEz6)



I'll bet he's wearing Kaikis?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:41 AM (0FSuD)

166 Remember after 250 posts we can have a gun thread! you guys and your herd mentality ... Question for the Horde: What is the best gun for shooting a wild pizza and where can I get a license?

Posted by: Adriane ... at November 29, 2014 07:42 AM (P+IZm)

167 WeirdDave, I agree with what you said. BUT... We are at war with the left. And you don't win wars when you give your enemy a fair shake. It's sad that we are where we are, but it's reality. You'll never see a poster on Kos or HuffPo say something like I have a friend who is a Tea Party guy and he's a nice guy.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 07:42 AM (0LHZx)

168 135 I am a person who has never had anybody fall in love with me at the time and she kept coming on to me. What would you do?

Posted by: Question at November 29, 2014 07:42 AM (g1jto)

169 158 -

While it is true they have  become more competitive under Pinkel, and were holding  their own in the Big 12 before they left, it's also  likely to be true that the school benefits with potential recruits because they are now  in the SEC. 

As for  bestriding the division, well, it's a pretty sucky division.  Sorta like   the NFC  South. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:42 AM (Dj0WE)

170 If Dana fails at being a baker, it should be because of Dana's choices, not because Pat was excelling at being a serial killer. It should also not be because of a large central government that decides a certain sector of the economy that employs a large number of people in upwardly mobile jobs should just be given to another country. Let's say an America-hating president decides to sign some trade treaty that makes it profitable for countries to have all their cakes baked in Iceland instead of here. Viola! You, and a lot of your fellow countrymen and women have just been betrayed and stabbed in the back by the same people who said they represented you and your interests.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 07:42 AM (0HooB)

171 Posted by: JackStraw at November 29, 2014 12:38 PM (g1DWB) --- Ha! I like my job. And really, what does it matter to the peasant in Vladivostok who is ruling as Czar in Saint Petersburg?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 07:43 AM (QBm1P)

172 The "terrorists" launched an attack on civilians yesterday in Shache county, leaving four people dead and 14 wounded, and 11 "terrorists" were also shot dead during the violence, according to CCTV, China's state broadcaster.

Chinese state news agency Xinhua confirmed the death toll, citing a statement from local authorities.

The district of Shache -- or Yarkand in the Uighur language -- was the scene of violent clashes in July, shortly before the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

The Tianshan news website said the attackers used vehicles, knives and explosives in the assault. It also said the dead included 11 of the attackers.

Posted by: ISIL School of Self Immolation at November 29, 2014 07:43 AM (e8kgV)

173 Question for the Horde: What is the best gun for shooting a wild pizza and where can I get a license?

Posted by: Adriane ... at November 29, 2014 12:42 PM (P+IZm)


Go to Ray's Pizza in the Bronx.  You'll get shot, get a green card, score some crack and the pizza is greasy, but good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:43 AM (0FSuD)

174 hum... I wonder how leftists deal with "we are all products of the society we grow up in" vs "homosexuality is not a choice, they are born that way."

Posted by: mallfly at November 29, 2014 07:44 AM (bJm7W)

175 157 Remember after 250 posts we can have a gun thread! Speaking of that where is our football thread? Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 12:38 PM (0FSuD) Sounds like it is time to update the AoSHQ Comment Guidelines. I propose the following: After 100 comments, off-topic comments are permitted. After 150, boobs may be discussed. After 200, longbows vs. trebuchets or something like that. After 250, guns. Football comes after 300. Sorry, you're going to have to wait awhile.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 07:45 AM (sdi6R)

176 Speaking of football, Chelsea is playing Sunderland on NBC.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 07:45 AM (0LHZx)

177 After checking, I see Missouri beat 3 WD teams this year, so one more and they are the SEC Champions.

Posted by: toby928(C) poluting your thread with football at November 29, 2014 07:45 AM (rwI+c)

178 I don't know "Gays" "Blacks" or whoever, I know persons

Posted by: John McClain at November 29, 2014 07:45 AM (Utt+4)

179 168 Remember after 250 posts we can have a gun thread! you guys and your herd mentality ... Question for the Horde: What is the best gun for shooting a wild pizza and where can I get a license? Posted by: Adriane ... at November 29, 2014 12:42 PM (P+IZm) I use a .386 on the down range load, but a 40.67 is good for the multi-magazine hollow shells. I got a 59 S & W with a .396, Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor.

Posted by: Thread Killer at November 29, 2014 07:46 AM (yxw0r)

180 "Help me, Marlin!"

Posted by: Jim Fowler at November 29, 2014 07:46 AM (fIv/H)

181 "You can think and do whatever you want, man, there's no sin, you don't need forgiveness." -Leftist Jesus

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:46 AM (39g3+)

182 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are alos to love one another." *some restrictions apply*

Posted by: Westboro Jesus at November 29, 2014 07:47 AM (1Y+hH)

183 huh. Do we hand out asylum visas for being gay? DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 11m Scores of Russian Gays Seeking Asylum in USA... http://drudge.tw/11EidYW

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 07:47 AM (zwdxl)

184 A point to consider is that part of the reason the Left is so successful is that they use these group identities very, very well...You can see this in left and rightwing message boards for example. We are philosophy, morality, history, etc. They argue about tactics...Yes this means conservatism is a much more robust ideology - but if one "looks at the scoreboard" that isn't doing us a lot of good. _____________ The left is very cult like. They recruit stupid people who are easy to manipulate, and once they're in, they're loyal for life.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 07:48 AM (0LHZx)

185 1- I see no problem with lesbians as long as they're hot.
Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 12:40 PM (in9qW)

Not to rain on your parade, but I don't get this. All the lesbians I've ever met are 1) not very hot, II) dressed even worse than me, and C) not interested in guys. So why would you want to look at something like that?
*inquiring minds want to know*

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:48 AM (ThxKk)

186 Really, Rivalry weekend and no football thread? Go Rebels! Yeah, I know they've plunged in the rankings, but they still know how to have a right enthusiastic day of football. Webcam of The Grove at Ole Miss... http://livecam.olemiss. edu/union/ (remove space after dot)

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 07:49 AM (xdMK5)

187 179 -

Nope, just two.  A and M (I don't do ampersands)  and Arky. 

Which are of course, the two  bottom teams in the division. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:49 AM (Dj0WE)

188 I got a 59 S & W with a .396, Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor.

Posted by: Thread Killer at November 29, 2014 12:46 PM (yxw0r)

She's waiting tonight down in the parking lot outside the 7-11 store.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 07:49 AM (Zu3d9)

189 @177

I like your numbers.   What about tragic boating accidents?  When can we discuss them?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 29, 2014 07:50 AM (0FSuD)

190 Ole Miss needs to play Dak like he was Tebow, and good Bo has to show up. A few timely windgusts would help too. http://youtu.be/-jR8hMnJusQ

Posted by: toby928(C) poluting your thread with football at November 29, 2014 07:50 AM (rwI+c)

191 Didn't he start to grow up after Wendy entered the picture The Peter Pan book is kind of creepy. It turns out he played with Wendy's mom when she was young, and ends up with Wendy's daughter when she is born. It is stated as innocent but there's just something unsavory about the whole affair. Maybe it makes more sense to little girls.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:51 AM (39g3+)

192 176 hum... I wonder how leftists deal with "we are all products of the society we grow up in" vs "homosexuality is not a choice, they are born that way." Posted by: mallfly


That is an excellent question. 

Posted by: pep at November 29, 2014 07:51 AM (4nR9/)

193 What the left also does very well is stay on message. Virtually every leftists believes that high taxes are good, guns are bad, SSM is good, drugs should be legal, military is bad. On the other hand, the right is a mix of people. Most people believe in most of the same things on the right. But there are many more people on the right who stray off the "conservative plantation". I'm a good example. I'm all for less govt, low taxes, build the dang fence, etc. But I'm also fine with SSM and abortion. So you have a lot less intra-party fighting on the left than on the right, which keeps the left a lot more unified. And this goes back to the original post where it's about group think vs. individuals.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 07:51 AM (0LHZx)

194 185 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 12:47 PM (zwdxl)

We do now comrade...

Reggie explained it all to me...

//Obamenski


Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 07:52 AM (/4AZU)

195 So why would you want to look at something like that? *inquiring minds want to know* Posted by: right wing whippersnapper The gorgeous fake lesbos in the porn vids have led to this idea.

Posted by: Westboro Jesus at November 29, 2014 07:52 AM (1Y+hH)

196 Not to rain on your parade, but I don't get this. All the lesbians I've ever met are 1) not very hot, II) dressed even worse than me, and C) not interested in guys. So why would you want to look at something like that? *inquiring minds want to know* Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:48 PM (ThxKk) ______________ I've known actual hot real lesbians. And by real I mean, "real, real", not college girls having fun at a club. They do exist. Although the ratio of lesbians that look like Pete Rose to lesbians that look like a Playboy model is about 200:1

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 07:53 AM (0LHZx)

197 What the left also does very well is stay on message. Sort of. They change the message very so often, and its happening with increasing frequency these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:53 AM (39g3+)

198 Half the lesbians I've known I've slept with -- they don't seem especially committed to the whole lesbian thing.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 07:53 AM (zwdxl)

199 Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:48 PM (ThxKk)


I met one (1) very pretty lesbian girl.  She was dating the usual mannish woman.

They split up after the cute one's dad died.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 07:54 AM (ckDea)

200 The Peter Pan book is kind of creepy. It turns out he played with Wendy's mom when she was young, and ends up with Wendy's daughter when she is born. It is stated as innocent but there's just something unsavory about the whole affair.

Maybe it makes more sense to little girls.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 12:51 PM (39g3+)


I believe the author was a bit of an odd duck, too, so the book might be a manifestation of that. Unless I'm getting my Victorian authors mixed up, he was the one who liked to take pictures of little girls, and had many 'special friends' that he wrote to, only stopping the correspondence when they became teenagers. He always insisted it was non-sexual and I think he was married at one point, but it's still strange behavior.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:54 AM (ThxKk)

201 201 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 12:53 PM (zwdxl)

No comment, no comment, no comment....

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 07:54 AM (/4AZU)

202 I am gay, and most of my friends are too. I used to be a liberal, but after Dec 2000 decided I had enough (Al Gore's election fiasco). That said, I am often shocked by how delusional they are. They think the KKK is a major threat, that the GOP wants to ship them all to death camps, that Obama is too conservative etc. They believe the stuff they are told, with no evidence. Needless to say, I don't talk politics with them at all.

Posted by: Baldy at November 29, 2014 07:55 AM (+35FH)

203 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 12:51 PM (39g3+)


You would think I would remember something that sordid.

Holy Crap!

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 07:55 AM (ckDea)

204 She's waiting tonight down in the parking lot outside the 7-11 store. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 12:49 PM (Zu3d9) ********* He wasn't always a billionaire communist. *sad*

Posted by: Thread Killer at November 29, 2014 07:56 AM (yxw0r)

205 The KKK at this point consists entirely of FBI agents, SPLC moles, and an occasional confused meth-head just out of prison.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (zwdxl)

206 re: comments about attractive lesbians:

*raises eyebrow*
Well, I did ask. So I guess I deserve all the answers I get.
I'm going to find some lunch. Don't trash the place before I get back, okay?

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (ThxKk)

207 203 -

That was Lewis Carroll, author of Alice in Wonderland, but really, I think the same was perhaps true of Barrie.  In the sense that he spent an  awful  lot  of his time with kids (mostly boys, I think), and if he wasn't having sex with them, I think  we can place it along a spectrum of showing too much attention  to children, all the way up to actual  physical sexual contact. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (Dj0WE)

208 I see no problem with lesbians as long as they're hot.
Posted by: Talibill at November 29, 2014 12:40 PM (in9qW)

What straight guys really want to see are two hot women ACTING LIKE THEY'RE LESBIANS or at least how straight guys THINK lesbians act.

The Imagination:
It's what sexual fantasies are made of.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (KK+mC)

209 I believe the author was a bit of an odd duck, too, so the book might be a manifestation of that. No that was Alice in Wonderland, which was less creepy but very strange still.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (39g3+)

210 The nation is loaded with phone-wielding terrorists. But thanks to the swift corrective action applied by a former Secret Service agent and the multi-billion dollar agency, guests at the Drury Park Plaza Hotel in Chesterfield, Missouri, are safe from the terrorist activity of 28-year-old US Navy veteran (and now, former hotel Houseman) Mark Paffrath.

Mark says that on Thursday after work he snapped 2 photographs and a short video of several dozen Homeland Security vehicles in the parking garage. He then uploaded them to his Facebook page. In his post he writes "why are all the cop cars here...I wonder if it has anything to do with Ferguson", he also included the hashtags #Ferguson #NoJusticeNoPeace.

Hooray for the First Amendment! ... oh, wait.

On Friday, shortly after arriving to work at the Drury Plaza Hotel, Mark stated that he was called to the office of Jeff Baker, the General Manager. Upon arriving Mr. Baker advised Mark that he needed to remove the photos and video from Facebook. Mark immediately complied and removed the post. Mark then continued and finished his shift.

A private company decides to insert itself into a situation where no one -- not even the DHS -- needed to step in. Having achieved its goal of suppression, one would think the story ends here. But it doesn't.

Saturday, Mark stated after being at work no more than 30 minutes, he was again called to the General Manager's office. Waiting for him was Jim Bohnert, Director of Security for Drury Hotels Company, LLC. Mark told ASN that Mr. Bohnert advised him that his Facebook posts almost cost the company a $150,000 contract with the Department of Homeland Security and because of this he was being terminated.

Jim Bohnert -- formerly of the Secret Service and the St. Louis Police Department -- had more to say on the matter. He called the former military member a "terrorist" and told him he had "dishonorably served his country" by posting pictures of vehicles parked in a garage where any guest or employee of the hotel could have seen them. In fact, any member of the public could have seen them simply by entering the garage, which is not secured. Argus Streaming News writers were able to see "over 100" DHS vehicles in the garage while driving through it on their way to speak to the hotel's manager.

Posted by: Allan Pinkerton at November 29, 2014 07:57 AM (e8kgV)

211 What about Senator Robert Byrd?

Oh wait...

dead.

nevermind!

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 29, 2014 07:58 AM (ckDea)

212 183 & 184 This thread is about to get struck by lightning.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2014 07:58 AM (Ua6T/)

213 I've met some very hot lesbians, as I alluded to in #46.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 07:58 AM (sdi6R)

214 Maggie said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Vp1moqTKs

Posted by: The Baroness' Hat at November 29, 2014 08:00 AM (lN8KC)

215 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 12:51 PM (0LHZx) Yes, your endorsement of fetal murder is well-known here, along with statements that the GOP is doomed unless it goes full Wendy Davis. How did going full Wendy Davis work out for Wendy Davis again?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 29, 2014 08:00 AM (Gosad)

216 Half the lesbians I've known I've slept with -- they don't seem especially committed to the whole lesbian thing. *** There is an argument that female sexuality tends to be very fluid. A good friend of mine not long after college was a lesbian. She came close to ending her relationship to start one with me (I'm a guy). And she is now married...to a man.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2014 08:00 AM (5DM9u)

217 Weirddave: " It seems that because I have a gay friend, and because I respect and like her and am able to discuss serious topics with her," ***** With all respect, is that really the case? You talk and write about this here, with us, but you don't do it with her. Why? Because you are afraid that if you do, she will drop you as a "friend." I use the parenthesis(sic) because you take the time to construct a well thought out, sensitive post here, yet you can't share it with her because you think you'll loose the friendship. Weirddave: "I'm writing this here instead of risking a cherished friendship. Oh, I'll make the same points to her, but subtly, over time." How much does this friend *really* respect and treasure you, if simply making these points could cause her to terminate you as a friend?

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 29, 2014 08:00 AM (C+qQ0)

218 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are alos to love one another."

*some restrictions apply*

Posted by: Westboro Jesus at November 29, 2014 12:47 PM (1Y+hH)



Git along to your gloryhole, now. We don't need any of you fag Democrats in here.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2014 08:00 AM (tvB15)

219 Football thread is up.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2014 08:01 AM (zt+N6)

220 I've received the cocked, come-hither eyebrow from some cute lesbians at work. Not sure what vibe I'm giving out to warrant it, but maybe I should dip my toe in the water. It'd double my chances for a date on Saturday night!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 08:01 AM (QBm1P)

221 Baldy@ 205 I agree with gay friends being delusional, I used to argue with them..but it is pointless.

Posted by: beerologist at November 29, 2014 08:02 AM (rTqAd)

222 Sounds like it is time to update the AoSHQ Comment Guidelines. I propose the following: After 100 comments, off-topic comments are permitted. After 150, boobs may be discussed. After 200, longbows vs. trebuchets or something like that. Between 200 and 250, hardwood vs. carpeting After 250, guns. Football comes after 300. Sorry, you're going to have to wait awhile. Posted by: rickl FIFY

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 08:02 AM (xdMK5)

223 MOAR HAWT LESBIANS!

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 29, 2014 08:03 AM (yxw0r)

224 List of gay peeps I've known well over the years. My neighbors: This was about 10 years ago, long before there was SSM. They had been together for years, bought a house together. One was a school princial (OMG!!) and the other one a lawyer. I didn't know them super well, but they were neighborly, we said high to each other, when we went on vacation, they picked up our mail, and vice versa. They had 2 dogs, we babysat their dogs a few times when they went away for the weekend. Just a regular couple really. My wife's cousin. He's married. They have 2 adopted kids. My wife's family kind of disowned him when he came out. Over time, they've come around and now he's part of the family like anyone else and his husband is as well. Co-worker for a year or so. Biggest asshole I've ever known. Nothing about him being gay per se made him an asshole, he was just a not nice human being. Guy in high school. This was in the early 90s when being gay was about as popular as being a leper. I always thought fuck this guy's brave for coming out. As far as I know, he never got any real flak for coming out, nobody beat him up or anything. Then again it was a small private school, where a) you'd be kicked out of school in a second if you pulled any shit like that and b) because it was small, everyone knew everyone very well and you'd be looked upon as quite an asshole if you abused a kid because he was gay. And it's having had those interactions with gays over many years that I don't freak out over 2 dudes getting married. There are nice gay people, there are asshole gay people. But they're just people at the end of the day.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2014 08:03 AM (0LHZx)

225 223 I've received the cocked, come-hither eyebrow from some cute lesbians at work. Not sure what vibe I'm giving out to warrant it, but maybe I should dip my toe in the water. It'd double my chances for a date on Saturday night!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 01:01 PM (QBm1P)

 

I volunteer as videographer to, uh document the event.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2014 08:03 AM (zt+N6)

226 I suspect without a shred of evidence of scientific support that a good bulk of lesbians, probably the majority, are not that way out of absolute nature but because they are mad at guys, hurt by them at some point, or are just "experimenting" with girls. I know of at least one girl who is unfortunately unattractive and unnecessarily overweight who "became a lesbian" with her best friend mostly because guys wouldn't pay her much attention. She had huge crushes on guys when she was younger and idolized pop stars etc, then suddenly changed gears. I don't blame the girls. Guys are funny looking, lumpy, hairy, and smell bad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 08:03 AM (39g3+)

227 I volunteer as videographer to, uh document the event. Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2014 01:03 PM (zt+N6) -- Just no harsh lighting. That's all I ask.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 29, 2014 08:05 AM (QBm1P)

228 I believe the author was a bit of an odd duck, too, so the book might be a manifestation of that. Unless I'm getting my Victorian authors mixed up, he was the one who liked to take pictures of little girls, and had many 'special friends' that he wrote to, only stopping the correspondence when they became teenagers. He always insisted it was non-sexual and I think he was married at one point, but it's still strange behavior. You are referring to Lewis Carroll of Alice in Wonderland fame. J. M. Barrie was the author for Peter Pan

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) [/i][/u][/s] at November 29, 2014 08:06 AM (GQnRa)

229 In the leftist worldview, the individual doesn't matter except as part of a group. yes and no. To the individual, he/she is the most important thing in the universe, being part of a group amplifies that feeling. the group leaders see the individuals as utility cogs in a great machine that the group leaders grow, manage, and own. The group leaders know to feed the over inflated self esteem of the individual as a lever to manipulate the group. This explains why you see Ferguson protesters going face to face with law enforcement, screaming insults knowing they can't be touched because of their group membership.

Posted by: Gruesomely Incongrewous at November 29, 2014 08:06 AM (+mRNf)

230 How much does this friend *really* respect and treasure you, if simply making these points could cause her to terminate you as a friend? There was once a time when people could get along despite being different politically, because there wasn't so much fury and energy invested in winning political power. This was before conservatives started getting screamed at for daring to question even any slightest portion of the party line, before you might get investigated by the IRS and charged with civil rights crimes for disagreeing with "social justice." These days, you keep your mouth shut, or shorten your Christmas card list.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 08:07 AM (39g3+)

231 213 It is so easy to be a terrorist now. When it is as easy to be a terrorist as racist more jails will be needed. If they could read our thoughts, well that is part of the plan.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 29, 2014 08:07 AM (WNERA)

232 Yay for egg drop soup!
*reads comments*
Oh, yeah, that was Lewis Carroll, not Barrie. Forgot about him. I've got a whole post worth of amateur psychoanalysis of Victorian men and why they found young girls to be attractive, but that's a subject for another time.


Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 08:08 AM (ThxKk)

233 The only gay folks that I have a real antipathy towards are the gays who made the AIDS crisis worse and who worked to damage our quarantine laws. I feel nothing but disgust for men who are HIV positive that refuse to use condoms during random bathhouse sexual encounters. As for the "gay mafia activists", while I do no always agree with the results they achieve, I can't blame them for using the political process to get what they want. I wish Conservatives were just half as effective. I have gay relatives--some are gone now. I had lesbian neighbors, one of whom was one of my husband's very good friends--she was always coming across the street to get him to help her with this or that home repair project or to borrow a tool or ask his advice on a purchase. I have worked with gays who were lovely people--hard working, devoted to their elderly parents, kind, and generous. Two of my MIL's dearest friends each buried a son who died of AIDS. In other words the gays that I have known personally were just like the straights I have known--varied and different.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at November 29, 2014 08:10 AM (kXoT0)

234 Sounds like it is time to update the AoSHQ Comment Guidelines. I propose the following:

After 100 comments, off-topic comments are permitted.

After 150, boobs may be discussed.

After 200, longbows vs. trebuchets or something like that.

After 250, guns.

Football comes after 300. Sorry, you're going to have to wait awhile.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 12:45 PM (sdi6R)
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Unless the thread is hijacked within the first 20. Then all bets are off.

Posted by: Git off my lawn, or at least mow it at November 29, 2014 08:10 AM (TqyFL)

235 220 -

The answer to your question is, if you can only be friends with people who agree with you on everything, you will be a very lonely person. 

Tolerance sometimes  means, "on this topic, we're not going to discuss it." 

The world can be a much more pleasant  place if more  people did that.   It's  the people who can't or won't who are  going to find themselves in conflict  more than they might want.  Which  is fine,  if conflict is what you seek.  If it is not though, you treasure the people with whom you can find SOMETHING  on which to form a bond. 

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 08:10 AM (Dj0WE)

236 46. ...attracted to a woman... So are you basing your selection process on someone who will take over suppressive fire while you reload during the Burning Times? Could this selection criteria be driving the pool of candidates being selected? I am satisfied with the ability to stack rounds efficiently and watching 3 to 9. And scrounging sandwich materials. USB port is now open for applications. Please include a typical sandwich and loaded 30 round mag as a reference. Optometrist exam results a plus.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 29, 2014 08:11 AM (8gT9T)

237 I don't know. I spent a night here and there with a pair of hot lesbians. Shit man, its the most fucking fun mortal man could have. Zeus ain't shit. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2014 08:12 AM (FMbng)

238 >>Ha! I like my job. And really, what does it matter to the peasant in Vladivostok who is ruling as Czar in Saint Petersburg? Oh it matters. My profession is all about results. We don't get paid to write opinion pieces or do research, just bring in the cash. Every day, every week, every month, every year. And if the peasants don't perform then I don't perform. There is nothing more conservative than sales. It's all about individual performance contributing to group success. You contribute you get rewarded, you don't you get gone. And nobody cares about your opinion on gay anything.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 29, 2014 08:15 AM (g1DWB)

239 So explain to me why thinking marriage should be between the opposite sex means I hate gays or want to deny them the right to love whomever they want ? Wanting something doesn't make it a right ... I want a thinner waistline and a higher salary ... I may even want to give birth to a child ... so what ...

Posted by: KaiserDerden at November 29, 2014 08:18 AM (hYYqD)

240 So explain to me why thinking marriage should be between the opposite sex means I hate gays or want to deny them the right to love whomever they want?

Wanting something doesn't make it a right ... I want a thinner waistline and a higher salary ... I may even want to give birth to a child ... so what ...

Posted by: KaiserDerden at November 29, 2014 01:18 PM (hYYqD)

Now you see what happens when one group is allowed to hijack the nomenclature for decades on end: We start speaking different languages without even realizing it.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 08:22 AM (ThxKk)

241 Has anyone said yet that we need to start buying up some media outlets? The demorats only get away with pandering to these various groups because the media aids and abets them rather than informing the gay groups what the 'rats are saying to the muzzies, and so on and always paints conservatives as hateful meanies.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 29, 2014 08:28 AM (7w/kf)

242 Racism? There hasn't been a mass (4) lynching in the USA since 1946

Posted by: Tighter at November 29, 2014 08:33 AM (aappB)

243 The KKK at this point consists entirely of FBI agents, SPLC moles, and an occasional confused meth-head just out of prison.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 12:57 PM (zwdxl)


There was a 70's writer who started writing Victorian thrillers, who would throw in plot twists like a splinter group of the Czar's Okhrana encouraging emigre  anarchists in London (who otherwise focused on petty crime, whining and having clandestine meetings) to commit atrocities to convince the Brits so as to allow the Okhrana freedom in England to  arrest and jail the dissidents they were really concerned about.

When I was a kid this snot was a farce, last commited by the Wilson administration.  Now they call it Realpolitik, and think they are flying in the rarefied air of international affairs.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 29, 2014 08:40 AM (t//F+)

244 238 220 - The answer to your question is, if you can only be friends with people who agree with you on everything, you will be a very lonely person. Tolerance sometimes means, "on this topic, we're not going to discuss it." Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2014 01:10 PM (Dj0WE) ***** Nope. I'm not saying Weirddave's friend has to agree with him on everything. He can't even bring this up with her for fear of her terminating the "friendship". And for what? Is Weirddave saying he thinks SHE'S one of the good lesbians, but all the rest deserve to be stoned to death? But he'd make an exception for her? No. He's just saying ... think about your views on gay marriage and see if they conflict with some other views. Very polite. Very reasonable. And afterwards, they can both say "I hear your postition, but I disagree." And hell, Weirddave doesn't want to say "on this topic, we're not going to discuss it". He WANTS to discuss it with her. He said he can't, because he may loose the "friendship." He MAY bring it up later, but even more discretely. Like a battered wife, bringing up bad news to her husband. (I kid, I kid!!!)

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 29, 2014 08:44 AM (C+qQ0)

245 This is a great post Weirddave.

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 29, 2014 09:09 AM (pqOzY)

246 51 50 " I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian"

Why do you turn women into lesbians so much?

I dunno.  Happens in every bar I go to.  What the hell is wrong with them broads?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 29, 2014 09:11 AM (XO6WW)

247 There hasn't been a mass (4) lynching in the USA since 1946

For informational purposes only: There are 435 necks in the US House of Representatives.

Posted by: Four score and seven mags ago at November 29, 2014 09:14 AM (jAyhy)

248 211 I see no problem with lesbians as long as they're hot.

You do not want to see our test videos.  Just saying

Posted by: NIH Researchers at November 29, 2014 09:17 AM (XO6WW)

249 Pretty typical for the Horde, actually.Unless it's an ONT. Then there's more alcohol involved.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at November 29, 2014 12:34 PM (ThxKk)


People can't start drinking in the mornings...?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 29, 2014 09:18 AM (AC0lD)

250 The Peter Pan book is kind of creepy... Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2014 12:51 PM (39g3+) Yeah, its also pretty clear that the Lost Boys were children who were killed by their mothers.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 29, 2014 09:18 AM (KBvAm)

251 Nood. Gardening.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 09:29 AM (9BRsg)

252 I originally posted this in the football thread, but I might as well put it here too: Black Residents Armed With Assault Rifles Stand Guard Outside White-Owned Business During Ferguson Riots https://tinyurl.com/qawht5f Hat tip Instapundit.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 09:29 AM (sdi6R)

253 249 51
50 " I don't know how many times I've been attracted to a woman I later found out was a lesbian"



Why do you turn women into lesbians so much?

I dunno. Happens in every bar I go to. What the hell is wrong with them broads?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 29, 2014 02:11 PM (XO6WW)


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They just haven't had the right man to cure them.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 29, 2014 09:30 AM (NqYC9)

254 Throughout history up until yesterday anywhere there is war. strife and pain you'll find groups against groups or people who identify as a certain group over people who identify as another group. War is even a very large group (nation) against another very large group. Why Stalin found it easier to appeal to nationalism over communism in WWII but that is a different story. Closer to home the Left plays this game to perfection in America. Rush calling Sandra Fluke a slut (you are a slut if you need government help to pay for the prodigious amount of birth control you need but I digress) became not Rush v Fluke but 'The War on Women' Republicans wanting to cut - slow the growth - of welfare spending becomes a war against blacks. Immigration a war against Latinos, etc.

Posted by: bobbymike at November 29, 2014 09:52 AM (8J355)

255 Like I told my lesbian friend at work, "It's not about WHAT you are, it's about WHO you are that matters.  Hell, you could be Presbyterian for all I care."

Posted by: retiredspook at November 29, 2014 10:06 AM (pfyoH)

256 Peyton Manning would likely be a lousy insurance agent. I'm a stellar one.

He may be selling more Nationwide just humming now than you.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 10:10 AM (DL2i+)

257 But suppose we can peel off just 10% by showing blacks that conservatives are sensitive to their individual concerns?

Won't matter when TeamD counts those precincts or do you really think Romney got all those goose-eggs on his own.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 10:26 AM (DL2i+)

258 My ex's eldest son is gay and his whole life revolves around his gayness and how persecuted they are.  Uh, dumbass....you live in West Hollywood where being straight is unusual.  I've asked him about the persecution of gays in Russia, Iran, many countries in Africa, etc. and is this how he sees gays in America?  He won't answer - he is too invested in his own little "drama".

I have gay male and female friends and we just have a good time like the other people that I have in my life - no one cares.

Posted by: Cheri at November 29, 2014 10:28 AM (ZFPMM)

259 How much does this friend *really* respect and treasure you, if simply making these points could cause her to terminate you as a friend?

Also post 247

Sorry I didn't respond right away, I had to go see a client.

These are good questions, but I think you're misunderstanding what is just a question of tactics. For the purpose of these posts here, trying to frame a discussion, I can put it thusly:

"Oh yea? Well what about THIS and THIS and THIS, huh? Let's consider all these points!"

Do that in real life and a person's natural reaction is to shut you out and shut the conversation down, it's a defensive mechanism. It wasn't so much that I don't want to, can't or even am not broaching the subject, but I'm doing it in such a way to allow her to reach the right conclusions. In other words I want to make an effective argument, not just make an argument.

I've know her for years, she's reachable, but you're not going to change anybody's mind by attacking them. You have to lead the horse to water in such a way that it's thirsty when you get there.

This? These posts? This is all theory, to help me clarify my thoughts to more effectively express them, to get others to comment with aspects that I maybe haven't considered, and to give other the opportunity to hone their own arguments and beliefs.

Interpersonal relationships require a whole different set of tools. For example after her rant, I responded "Oh, I understand exactly how you feel, there have been times when judges have made rulings based not on the law but on their own feelings that drove me crazy". She want "Exactly!" and continued on. Do you think I didn't plant a seed there?

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 11:10 AM (KAmzK)

260 "It wasn't so much that I don't want to, can't or even am not broaching the subject, but I'm doing it in such a way to allow her to reach the right conclusions. " ***** OK, fair enough.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 29, 2014 11:37 AM (C+qQ0)

261 Never mind the Bollocks, here's the Sex Pistols.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 29, 2014 11:56 AM (C+qQ0)

262 Oops...Wrong thread. I meant to post that on the post about the English guy cursing out the meter maid, and all the different English slangs.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 29, 2014 11:57 AM (C+qQ0)

263 For informational purposes only: There are 435 necks in the US House of Representatives.

Posted by: Four score and seven mags ago at November 29, 2014 02:14 PM (jAyhy)
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441 if you count DC and the Territories.

Posted by: Git off my lawn, or at least mow it at November 29, 2014 12:06 PM (TqyFL)

264 You are dishonest to the fullest and also a coward. The beef was that you have denied that persecution of homosexual in WW2 was manufactured by the gay lobby. Many other posters together with me expressed disagreement with these concepts and brought evidence. I made you notice that the gay lobby you want to protect to much are using the few gays killed (because they were anti regime, communists or jews) to again use the victimhood card, instil emotional pity in todays ignorant population and use it as blacks use slavery ('because we have been persecuted during WW2, please fill up the city of memorial and silence the church, you know you have to since you allowed poor gheys to be killed in WW2'). To all of this, your reply was that I am homophobe, you were not able to bring one single point of evidence that gheys were actually persecuted more or equally than any other targeted group (roma, jews, disabled). If you think it is all fine and dandy that a group that you like and prefer makes up FALSE statements to advance their cause (which incidentally will disadvantage a lot of conservative causes), well I have nothing to add. I repeat you are the problem, not the solution.

Posted by: fromabroad at November 29, 2014 10:38 PM (rnV3B)

265 This is a pretty stupid article/argument.
One (the individual) does not necessarily exclude the other (the group).
To say one is ABSOLUTELY a higher priority smacks of mindless ideology.

It's perfectly reasonable to say he doesn't want to hear about your homo friends, and it is ALSO perfectly reasonable to say the gaystapo will "throw the author under the bus" given the opportunity.

The author's claimed "conservatism" here reeks a bit of Leftist "guilt-ridden hand-wringing."

Posted by: Kauf Buch at November 30, 2014 04:06 AM (nWCVn)

266 She's right! You are the Al Capone of gayness! You're trying to make us all gay! You won't stop until the world is a great big, non-stop orgy of same sex love. Everybody all oiled up and writhing around like in Caligula. Stop it! Just stop it. Liking gay people as individuals is not allowed. Tow the party line why don't you, cuz the next stop on this train is San Francisco. You don't want the whole world to be like San Francisco do you?

Posted by: Michelle at November 30, 2014 07:09 AM (jd3Tb)

267 Also, I forgot to say, you definitely, for sure, want all cheerleaders to be gay. This is an undisputed fact!!!

Posted by: Michelle at November 30, 2014 02:28 PM (jd3Tb)

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