June 30, 2010

Full Chris Christie Quote Is A Lot More GOP-Friendly Than First Advertised
— Ace

"Whatever that process is."

What I support is making sure that the federal government [plays] each and every one of its roles: Securing the border, enforcing immigration laws, and having an orderly process -- whatever that process is -- for people to gain citizenship."

He added: "It's a very easy issue to demagogue and I'm just not going to participate in that."

Christie said more resources -- specifically, "money" -- were needed to support federal law enforcement and border security, along with "having a clear understandable law that people can follow."

"Until you have both of those...you're not going to fix the problem," he said.

Posted by: Ace at 07:49 AM | Comments (117)
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1 Thought so.

Posted by: Donna at June 30, 2010 07:50 AM (z3whe)

2 Yeah, makes a pretty big difference. As to the Arizona stuff I am sure even the politicians that passed it bemoan the idea that it's even needed

Posted by: Rocks at June 30, 2010 07:51 AM (Q1lie)

3 Never trust Politico. They are just another version of the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at June 30, 2010 07:51 AM (6taRI)

4 Whew.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 30, 2010 07:52 AM (T0bhq)

5 Looking at the new article I would bet that he still hasn't come completely clean.

Posted by: Vic at June 30, 2010 07:53 AM (6taRI)

6 Anybody know how the green runs on 13?

Posted by: Former President-Elect Obama, from the 13th tee at June 30, 2010 07:53 AM (FcR7P)

7 Umm, how is this much better or GOP friendly as you say?

This specifically, "whatever that process is -- for people to gain citizenship".

Does that mean amnesty is deemed a 'process' for people to gain citizenship?

He's got some explaining to do.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 30, 2010 07:56 AM (pLTLS)

8
I knew there had to be more, we have to remember never to trust what the MFM says.  They know we're crushing on Christie, they have to take him down.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 07:57 AM (fx8sm)

9 Don't blame Politico.  With Journolist down, they're flailing.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2010 07:57 AM (T0NGe)

10 Oh, yeah. Now we can pretend that the feds have acted in good faith on illegal immigration. Welcome to the club, Chubby.

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 07:57 AM (VXBR1)

11 Well, the other part of federalism is keeping the feds focused on WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOCUSED ON.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at June 30, 2010 07:59 AM (8UVgX)

12

does anyone here get the wall street journal. If so turn to the second to last page in the front section. there is a picture and caption at the top of the page that is hilarious. It is an article about european debt, but it has a picture of two greeks beating a police officer with the caption, "Greek Debtors discuss repayment terms".

 

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 07:59 AM (wuv1c)

13

Lazy ass reporters again.  Looks like Christie did some quick pushback and forced a correction.  Good for him.

Before everyone piles on Christie, can we please stop making the perfect the enemy of the great?  Christie is doing the job he was elected to do.  He isn't running for President, or RNC Chairman, or Supreme Conservative Leader And Messiah.  So STFU and leave him alone.

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2010 07:59 AM (w/gVZ)

14 Gov. Christie is once again the one we've been waiting for... I mean if we were actually waiting for anyone... which we weren't... just saying. But he might be change we can believe in! I mean if we actually believ... yeah, I know, shut up.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 30, 2010 08:00 AM (wV5zn)

15 also this was to be expected. the media now view christie as a threat. is is everything republicans promise they will be and now he must be destroyed. The best way to do that is to drive a wedge between him and his base, misquoting him on immigration is their first attempt. There will be many more.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:00 AM (wuv1c)

16 FOUR!

Posted by: B+rry Ob+owmao at June 30, 2010 08:01 AM (rFDlC)

17 This is why the right has to stop jumping up and down, declaring "he's the one for 2012!" every time some politician makes a couple of cool videos.  Let's not turn into our own kind of Obamazombies here, folks.

Posted by: Crusty at June 30, 2010 08:01 AM (GvSpB)

18 This isn't different. The Dem position is "directly promise amnesty," and the GOP's is "vaguely promise amnesty." The real-world effect is the same.

Posted by: oblig. at June 30, 2010 08:01 AM (x7Ao8)

19 Never trust Politico.

I love how Ben Smith is up just hours later with full Christie quotes after initial reactions to report raised readers to email him.

Yet another case for reporting and then following up with a complete dump of all collected quote material.

You report.  You post the data.  We decide.

Posted by: wtfci at June 30, 2010 08:02 AM (R4rMI)

20 Christie is doing the job he was elected to do. He isn't running for President, or RNC Chairman, or Supreme Conservative Leader And Messiah. He breaks the NEA in NJ, I will go to confession in preparation for rapture.

Posted by: Migrating Birds at June 30, 2010 08:02 AM (fQbcU)

21 GOP-friendly is full, unquestioning amnesty.

Rule-of-law-friendly is different.

Posted by: Ella at June 30, 2010 08:02 AM (DmnMk)

22

I would cheerfully vote for this guy for prez.

Far from perfect, we're built alike and he at least has a clue and seems to be willing to mix it up.  When was the last time we had someone running the show that even looked like they loved a good fist fight. 

Posted by: Old Cav LT at June 30, 2010 08:02 AM (pT+QF)

23
I'd be thrilled is we could push out Obama and get this guy in as President.

Can you say - IMPROVEMENT.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 30, 2010 08:03 AM (0fzsA)

24 laceyunderalls at June 30, 2010 12:56 PM (pLTLS)

His quote is a pure dodge. The issue isn't on his plate in NJ, so he's giving the non-answer he's probably said a million times. The whole quote is very un-christie like - from what we are used to. He probably needs a one on one with Brewer to straighten him out a little.

That said, Christie (pro amnesty or not, gun grabber or not) is the best voice for fiscal sanity out there at the moment. So a few issues - which, really, are outside anything he's working on - that he's off the reservation aren't a big deal. If he ran in 2012, I'd vote for him over any other R challenger - from what I've seen so far.

Posted by: lorien1973 at June 30, 2010 08:03 AM (IhQuA)

25 So, crisis averted after all. What a shock. BTW, ICE is the largest dept. in DHS with over 20,000 employees and an annual budget of almost $6 billion. They have one friggin job and plenty of resources to get that job done. What they don't have is the direction and the will to get it done. Expecting the feds to do one of the few jobs enumerated in the Constitution, national security, and not expecting the states to do it is not only the correct federalist position it is the correct conservative position.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2010 08:03 AM (VW9/y)

26 Christie and the GOP should have no illusions about where the public stands on this issue. The vast majority of Americans support border enforcement, support immigration law enforcement, support deportations of criminal foreign nationals, support raids on employers that hire illegal aliens, support cutting off public funds to foreign nationals, etc.

As an immigrant it is highly offensive to watch politicians pander to Mexicans and other latinos. There are far more immigrants in America that are not hispanic; how do the politicians suppose these people view this hispandering?

Citizenship is only for those that enter the country legally. At most foreign nationals in this country illegally should receive is legal status to work here for a certain period of years then they must reapply.

Posted by: Dillinger at June 30, 2010 08:04 AM (BedzM)

27 This is another interesting Rohrschach test.  I fall in the group that automatically presumes that all politicians are going to worry about making illegals citizens first and border enforcement second.  So when I read " and having an orderly process -- whatever that process is -- for people to gain citizenship." I hear "we're going to make a path to citizenship for people who are illegal right now never you mind about the whole being here illegally thing".  Now, is that contained in the statement?  No, of course not.  But that's what I hear.  Others read that and hear "we're going to try to fix up the current disaster that is our immigration law while we fix the other problems". 

Which of those interpretations is correct?  Both.  Neither.  It depends on the politician's prior history.  Since Christie doesn't have that much history on this, people (ie me) are going to read into it.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 30, 2010 08:05 AM (8WZWv)

28 He's still kinda leaning towards the feds for the fix and I think we have learned that that is really not the way to go - especially on a regional problem.  If anything the feds need to just get out of the way.  It sounds nice to involve them in the conversation but they have proven to be worthless in so many ways people are tired of waiting for them to step up.  Again, look at the Gulf.

Posted by: Roadking at June 30, 2010 08:05 AM (YObWz)

29

I do think we need to resign ourselves to the fact that there is no one in the republican party who agree with the popular sentiment of your rank and file republican or ever democrat when it comes to the amnesty issue.

Both parties want some form of amnesty. It is going to happen. It is inevitable.

Even the Libertarian and Green Parties want it.

There is not party representing the average american on this issue.

not one.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:07 AM (wuv1c)

30 Ice ain't the biggest dept. TSA with over 50,000....

We spend gobs of money screening your grandma, absolutely nothing stoppin drug lords and murderers. Man, is this a great country or what?

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 30, 2010 08:08 AM (GOG1H)

31

"whatever that process is -- for people to gain citizenship".

We already have one. It's called an Immigration department. The problem is that we have people walking over the border, many of whom do so with uimpunity. High profile people ignore the law and do so with impunity (Obama's aunt). Many overstay their visas and again do so with impunity. The immigration department issued visas to some of the 9/11 bombers six months after the attacks.

 

There is a system, but it is slow, inefficient, and not backed by a coherent border security and law enforcement apparatus. This isn't a better version. It's the same half-assed preperatory crap that we heard before Obamacare was unleashed. Work on what is there. Improve border security. And then develop a consensus for a plan of action regarding the large number existing illegal aliens.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 30, 2010 08:08 AM (R2fpr)

32 The issue isn't on his plate in NJ

It should be. 


Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:09 AM (mR7mk)

Posted by: Kayinmaine at June 30, 2010 08:10 AM (LvzEH)

34

The issue isn't on his plate in NJ

are you kidding. I flew into Newark on my way to DC. EVERY employee at the airport was hispanic, i think puerto rican but i am not sure.

i know that is anecdotal, but i am willing to bet they have a ton of immigrants in NJ.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:10 AM (wuv1c)

35 Wait, Politico and HotAir want to water down and distort conservative messages from conservative politicians? Next you'll be telling me donuts make you fat.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 08:12 AM (AZGON)

36 @29 - Border defense is absolutly a federal issue.  The reason AZ felt the need to pass its law is based on federal ineptness.  Ineptitude doesn't give the Feds a pass on something that should be there responsibility.  It's an international border for fucks sake.

Posted by: Dunkirk at June 30, 2010 08:12 AM (kbHJ6)

37 especially on a regional problem.

It's a nationwide problem; it's just worse in some areas than others.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:12 AM (mR7mk)

38 I wish I could go back in time and re-write the inscription on the Statue of Liberty. Instead of that "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" bullshit, I'd do it right. Give us your smart, your motivated, your energetic, your cutting-edge, your achievers, your producers, your pro-market. You can keep the fucking slackers, dimwits, zealots, criminals, crazies, thugs, punks, doofuses, layabouts, n'e'er-do-wells, and welfare cases. We home-grow plenty of those already, and at least they already speak English.

Posted by: Monty at June 30, 2010 08:13 AM (4Pleu)

39 BTW, ICE is the largest dept. in DHS with over 20,000 employees and an annual budget of almost $6 billion. They have one friggin job and plenty of resources to get that job done. What they don't have is the direction and the will to get it done.

Federal Employee Oath

There has to be a way to go after the political appointees (at the very least) in these agencies for violating this oath.

I'd like to see a UCMJ-lite for federal civilian employees. 

Criminalize bureaucratic incompetence.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 08:13 AM (lBmZl)

40 If they magically make a bunch of illegal aliens legal, the states are stuck with the bill. This does not help your average taxpayer.

Posted by: moi at June 30, 2010 08:14 AM (bjYAr)

41 The fact that I gave Ben Smith a reacharound was not meant to be made public. But it was fun.

Posted by: Dave Weigel at June 30, 2010 08:14 AM (AZGON)

42

 >>> especially on a regional problem.

It's a nationwide problem; it's just worse in some areas than others.

Agreed.  I guess the point that I failed to make is that who knows more about AZ's boarder problems than AZ? 

Posted by: Roadking at June 30, 2010 08:15 AM (YObWz)

43

There is not party representing the average american on this issue.

not one.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 01:07 PM (wuv1c)


I agree Ben. As a devout Libertarian, we are fucked. The two mongrel dog parties just manage to hump our legs. For 50 years. A third "get gov out of our lives" party is the only exit from this insanity. The "enlightened right and left"  think this is un do able. And until they have an aha moment that says, "maybe we should try something new for a different result" it's business as usual.


Thus I am an ultra con by default, I hate all things left. All.


Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 30, 2010 08:15 AM (GOG1H)

44 ZMOG!!! You mean that this was SPUN to imply the worst interpretation for teh base?!!!

Why, it's almost as if we should have waited before DIALING THE OUTRAGE TO ELEVEN!!!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 30, 2010 08:16 AM (fE6tn)

45 >>Ice ain't the biggest dept. TSA with over 50,000... Correct. I should have said largest investigative dept. And that's all they are charged with doing, investigating illegals. They have plenty of resources to get the jobs done without having to lean on the states at a time when they are already broke.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2010 08:16 AM (VW9/y)

46 are you kidding. I flew into Newark on my way to DC. EVERY employee at the airport was hispanic, i think puerto rican but i am not sure.

Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 08:16 AM (lBmZl)

47 So a few issues - which, really, are outside anything he's working on - that he's off the reservation aren't a big deal

This isn't just "a issue". It's "the issue". It is for libs and conservatives alike at this point. We have momentum on this--and we want to bring him into the fold?

No.Thank.You.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 30, 2010 08:17 AM (pLTLS)

48 I'd feel a lot better if you had said "Tea Party-friendly" instead of "GOP-friendly."  "Path to citizenship" can mean a lot of things but if the bottom line always comes down to rewarding criminals for criminal behavior, it's wrong. 

There's an old military axiom that you ignore all intel for 48 hours after you hear it.  I'll allow for the possibility that there's some major, major misreporting behind this.  But if this is really him, he's off my list. In that case saying "Christie 2012" is no different than saying "McCain 2012."

Posted by: Crusty at June 30, 2010 08:18 AM (GvSpB)

49 OMG! I love Christie! I just want to rub his chubby thighs and feed him Big Macs every time he takes it to the unions. He's the next Ronald Reagan! Listen up, GOP, this is how it's done!!! 

OMG! I just read the Politico article!!! Who does this FAT FUCK think he is?!!! Fucking fat fuck RINO!!! Fuck him!

OMG!!! Now that I've read this update, I TOTALLY love Christie!! Those scumbags on the left just can't let ONE CHANCE PASS to make him look bad or say something snotty about his weight!!!!!!!

Posted by: Warden at June 30, 2010 08:18 AM (fE6tn)

50

are you kidding. I flew into Newark on my way to DC. EVERY employee at the airport was hispanic, i think puerto rican but i am not sure.

Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

Really? I thought they were just a territory, didn't realize they were full citizens with all of the rights of citizens.

 

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:19 AM (wuv1c)

51 I guess the point that I failed to make is that who knows more about AZ's boarder problems than AZ?

Oh, I agree.  I just think a lot of people outside the southwest don't realize how the problem with the AZ border leads to problems in their own communities.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:19 AM (mR7mk)

52

 agree Ben. As a devout Libertarian, we are fucked. The two mongrel dog parties just manage to hump our legs. For 50 years. A third "get gov out of our lives" party is the only exit from this insanity. The "enlightened right and left"  think this is un do able. And until they have an aha moment that says, "maybe we should try something new for a different result" it's business as usual.

Something wicked,

look at the second part of my post.

Even the third parties want amnesty. The Libertarian Party is a big proponent of Amnesty, so is the Green Party.

There literally isn't a party in existance that is against Amnesty in one form or another. This is amazing to me as I think based on polls that 60% of americans don't want amnesty in any form.

If any party should be against amnesty it should be the democrats. They claim to represent the working man, but their policies are resulting in a nation where all of the blue collar workers aren't american citizens.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:21 AM (wuv1c)

53

The "full quote" may be "more GOP friendly," but that's not saying much.  This is full quote mush could have come from any number of amnesty friendly GOP pols in the 2004-2006 time frame.  Not much for a border hawk to hang his hat on.

To the extent he opposes states like AZ enforcing the borders when the feds fail, Chris Christie is just more of the same ol same ol from the GOP, more McCain than Brewer.  Meh.

Posted by: Louis Tully at June 30, 2010 08:22 AM (jat5l)

54

>>> This isn't just "a issue". It's "the issue". It is for libs and conservatives alike at this point. We have momentum on this--and we want to bring him into the fold?

No.Thank.You.

Bravo.  This guy's great for NJ - just what the Dr. ordered but if he wants to ever play at the national level..........well he needs to change his tune on some of these issues.

Posted by: Roadking at June 30, 2010 08:22 AM (YObWz)

55 He essentially punted the issue, IMO - which makes sense sitting in the New Jersey Governor's chair.  He doesn't really have any skin in the national immigration policy game (at least not yet), and New Jersey isn't Arizona, Texas or California when it comes to immigration.

I'll score this one a C - I'd have liked to see him more strongly support Arizona and be less ambivalent on the whole question, but there's no political carrot for him here.

While he may be a more principled politician than most, he's still a politician.  My admiration for him is relative to others in his profession, not to humanity as a whole, and expecting him to be a pillar of rectitude in all things just isn't realistic when you realize he has to run for elections, appeal to everyone, and whore for cash just like all his colleagues.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 08:22 AM (7ZyYf)

56 Really? I thought they were just a territory, didn't realize they were full citizens with all of the rights of citizens.

They have been considered citizens since 1917 when a law was passed making them so. But since they are a "commonwealth" they can not vote in U.S. elections.

Posted by: Vic at June 30, 2010 08:24 AM (6taRI)

57

I love how Ben Smith is up just hours later with full Christie quotes after initial reactions to report raised readers to email him.

I can just picture Ben Smith jacking off at "gaslighting" a GOP good guy, only to be interrupted before he can climax.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 08:26 AM (ujg0T)

58 @9

heh  *golf clap*

Posted by: Y-not at June 30, 2010 08:26 AM (Kn9r7)

59 Ben, I am unaware that the Libertarian Party is seeking amnesty for illegals. Flat out, I haven't read that. If you could enlighten me, I would certainly take a look-if you have some evidence. It would be news to me.

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 30, 2010 08:26 AM (GOG1H)

60

i am enjoying the gabe-Ace amnesty flame war on twitter, although it is far too polite for my liking.

to sum it up

Gabe-grant amnesty

Ace- dont'

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 08:26 AM (wuv1c)

61 Ok, was 34 one of you guys joking around or was that really the deranged KayinMaine dropping by to link nonsense.

And who knew the Onion had changed it's logo to the UK's Telegraph.

Posted by: Have Blue at June 30, 2010 08:27 AM (mV+es)

62

They have been considered citizens since 1917 when a law was passed making them so. But since they are a "commonwealth" they can not vote in U.S. elections.

Unless, of course, they move to an American state.

I believe that even in PR they can vote for President, although I don't think any Presidential election has ever mattered on the territorial vote.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 08:28 AM (ujg0T)

63 Politico = Pravda

Stupid is as stupid does.  Meanwhile, I still want the Fat Guy to sing, or be President of the United States, or VP, or Attny Gen at least

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Col. Bat Guano at June 30, 2010 08:28 AM (JrRME)

64 Meanwhile, I still want the Fat Guy to sing, or be President of the United States, or VP, or Attny Gen at least

I could settle for Secretary of Labor.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:30 AM (mR7mk)

65 I believe that even in PR they can vote for President, although I don't think any Presidential election has ever mattered on the territorial vote.

They vote in primaries, but not in the general.  They have no electoral college votes.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 08:31 AM (lBmZl)

66

#7 - No, silly. He's talking about the legal immigration process.

Posted by: Jimmie at June 30, 2010 08:31 AM (bofTB)

67 55 Ben:

They can't resist those millions of potential voters - every one of these parties thinks they can somehow make inroads into the new demographic as well as having their own ideological baggage they bring to the issue (e.g. many Libertarians believe that all people should have the right to come here and prosper without an "elect citizenry" dictating who should have that opportunity).

Given that Latin America is the origin of a large majority of our present immigrants, I seriously question whether either the Republicans or Libertarians stand to gain much in the way of voters via amnesty. 

With the Democrats being 100% in support already, we can't seize the mantle of "fighting for you against those anti-immigrant Democrats."  The politics of personal responsibility and limited government don't appeal to Latin Americans who've grown up in political cultures of cronyism, populism, entitlements and land redistribution.  And the sheer poverty they come from makes them more receptive to "here's a chunk of money now" inducements rather than our own carrot of "keep working hard and someday you'll prosper a lot more than if I just give you money now."

If Asian immigration became the major source, I'd give us a fair shot, but with Latin America, we're playing against house odds at best in terms of winning new voters.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 08:31 AM (7ZyYf)

68
Instant amnesty will create eight million democrat voters out of thin air.

As far as I'm concerned, that would be tampering with the ballot box to the point of rendering it useless to me.

I will need to seek other options.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 08:33 AM (lBmZl)

69

#71: Sadly, Big-L Libertarians are either:

1. Saps who can't think several steps ahead in terms of long term impacts,

2. Pie in the sky theoreticians,

3. People who just want "free pot, maaaan..."

4. Poser Hipsters who know the Left is full of crap, but just can't be with those fuddy-duddy conservative Republicans and so they find issues with which to engage in hipster posering. Immigration is one of them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 08:35 AM (ujg0T)

70
Christie also said he thinks state and local law enforcement don't have appropriate training to enforce immigration laws, and that it can distract from their overriding goal of keeping the public safe.

FAIL




Posted by: Atomic Roach at June 30, 2010 08:36 AM (Oxen1)

71

i know that is anecdotal, but i am willing to bet they have a ton of immigrants in NJ.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 01:10 PM (wuv1c)

south Jersey has always needed agricultural labor.  Blacks and Whites from the South, then Puerto Ricans, now other Hispanics.  A guy I know used to grow potatoes near Bridgeton, but gave up when he couldn't get enough people to harvest them. 

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, aka Col. Bat Guano at June 30, 2010 08:37 AM (JrRME)

72 Instant amnesty will create eight million democrat voters out of thin air.

Might be less than that, because I suspect a lot of them are already voting.  You don't have to show proof of citizenship to register in the states I've voted in; groups dedicated to electing Democrats through vote fraud *coughACORNcough* take advantage of it. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:37 AM (mR7mk)

73

This isn't just "a issue". It's "the issue". It is for libs and conservatives alike at this point. We have momentum on this--and we want to bring him into the fold?

No.Thank.You.

Christie is also involved in a fight to replace corruptocrat Supreme Court justices with jurists who more closely follow the state's constitution:

"So let’s be honest. Christie’s critics are not being straight with us. Their appeals to “process” and “custom” are pretexts. They would like to see Wallace reappointed because he shares their vision of the justices’ role. They want to frustrate Christie’s effort to replace the court’s liberal judicial activists.

Candidate Christie, no less than Senator Obama, made clear what kind of judges he would, if elected, appoint. During the campaign, Christie declared: “I will remake the court and I will remake it on this one simple principle. If you (want to) legislate, (then) run for the Legislature, don’t put on a black robe and go to the Supreme Court ."

The quote is from nj.com, May 7 2010 edition. Seems to me he's already in the fold.

Posted by: kallisto at June 30, 2010 08:38 AM (+FkcS)

74 Hey via BigGov, Christie's budget is apparently only half a bil less than Corzine's, what gives? I thought the dude was all about cutting some serious spending. Can someone put me to some knowledge?

Posted by: KG at June 30, 2010 08:39 AM (S8TF5)

75

#79: More often than not, it's "free pot, maaaan...."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 08:40 AM (ujg0T)

76 Yeah - figured the first article was an "OMG HEADLINE!!!1!" pile of horsesh*t. Christie FTW!

Posted by: Andrew at June 30, 2010 08:40 AM (l4wgH)

77

I can just picture Ben Smith jacking off at "gaslighting" a GOP good guy, only to be interrupted before he can climax.

aw hell, you just know he's got algore on his speed dial so he can get his second chakra released

Posted by: kallisto at June 30, 2010 08:41 AM (+FkcS)

78 Not me curmy.

Without campaign reform, the two mongrel dogs will simply hump our legs.
That's why I consider Repubs, squish liberals. Really. And I don't smoke pot and I don't give a fuck if you do. Really.

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at June 30, 2010 08:42 AM (GOG1H)

79

Hey via BigGov, Christie's budget is apparently only half a bil less than Corzine's, what gives? I thought the dude was all about cutting some serious spending. Can someone put me to some knowledge?

ONLY half a billion...let's see that's 500 million dollars.

half a billion here, half a billion there, pretty soon we'll be talking about real money.

If you want some knowledge put to you try the NJ Gov website, all the facts and figures are there for the world to see. Christie hasn't exactly been quiet about his efforts.

Posted by: kallisto at June 30, 2010 08:44 AM (+FkcS)

80 So I can still haz me some man love for the big guy?

Posted by: California Red at June 30, 2010 08:45 AM (7uWb8)

81 Yea, but that's out of 29 billion and considering the hole they are in, they'd need to cut more than that.

Posted by: KG at June 30, 2010 08:46 AM (S8TF5)

82 74:  Agree - There's a grain of truth in that I don't want my local cops to have to do ICE's job for them, but it's too often used as a weasel-phrase for those who cringe at arresting and deporting illegals.  You don't need to be ICE to lawfully and properly arrest an illegal.  Frankly, other law enforcement agencies don't exactly gush with praise as to the elite, specialized skills of ICE.

There's nothing horridly complex or specialized about immigration offenses compared to others, and with AZ's law, the perps in question already gave PC as to another crime being committed, so it indeed sounds like Christie's dancing.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 08:48 AM (7ZyYf)

83

Not me curmy.

Without campaign reform, the two mongrel dogs will simply hump our legs.

If by "campaign reform" you mean that abominable incumbent entrenching and freedom of speech destroying crapola that is called by that name, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Pushing libertarian (small l) ideas into the GOP is a fine act. But 3rd parties are a *joke*. Understand that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 08:52 AM (ujg0T)

84 The real problem with the local cops doing immigration enforcement isn't operational; it's financial. Unlike enforcing a federal bank robbing statute - immigration hits happen every shift and would result in a detention. Detentions are expensive. So, a solution set might include a federal payment to locals for every recovered illegal; a bounty.

Posted by: Migrating Birds at June 30, 2010 08:53 AM (yGYDb)

85 Might be less than that, because I suspect a lot of them are already voting.

I figure conservatively that the count of adults here illegally is on the order of fifteen million.  That will likely increase to twenty-five million if it looks like amnesty will happen because of new crossers overwhelming the border and visa-overstayers or other illegals canceling return trips.

Even with outreach by ACORNish racketeers and the various racist Pedro-uber-alles groups, I expect to see only fifty percent participation.

That's twelve-and-a-half million right there.  If two-and-a-half million have already been voting and another one million vote other-than-democrat, that's a net of eight million democrat votes.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 08:53 AM (lBmZl)

86 oops - been wearing my migrating bird sock all day

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2010 08:54 AM (Ef5w3)

87 They still left out the important part:

"Christie also said he thinks state and local law enforcement don't have appropriate training to enforce immigration laws, and that it can distract from their overriding goal of keeping the public safe."

The fact that they wouldn't give Christie's actual quotes on this shows that Politico is truly clueless about the whole illegal alien situation.  It's not that they're pro-amnesty, anti-America, but they are that way while still in a total fog about the issue, itself.

BTW, if Christie said anything like what is alleged, here, with respect to local enforcement, then he is still way, way, way off.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at June 30, 2010 08:55 AM (Qp4DT)

88 likely increase to twenty-five million if it looks like amnesty will happen because of new crossers overwhelming the border and visa-overstayers or other illegals canceling return trips.

Oh, crap, I hadn't even thought of the long enough lead time to double the numbers.

Posted by: Eleanor Roosevelt at June 30, 2010 08:55 AM (mR7mk)

89 Dave C - the safe question is "Where were you born?" - can be used as a identity confirmation within NLETS when matched to a DL# or SSN.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2010 08:56 AM (Ef5w3)

90 Gah.  Stupid sock.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 30, 2010 08:56 AM (mR7mk)

91 As I noted in the earlier post:

Take Christie quotes.

Insert into Ben Smith/Politico spin.

Serve fresh to the dismay of conservatives.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 30, 2010 08:57 AM (/U/Mr)

92 91:

Agree - a free-for-all, no spending limits, no public funding electoral system is the worst kind of system - except all the others that have ever been devised.

There isn't any way to square campaign finance reform with freedom of speech.  Every system can be jobbed or rigged in some fashion, and the present one achieves the opposite aims it was intended for - entrenching incumbents and rewarding long-tenured corrupt politicians and special interest groups.

Unless and until the American public quits both major parties in disgust (something that is becoming more possible but still far over the horizon), the only thing a third party can do is play spoiler to one major party or the other.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 08:57 AM (7ZyYf)

Posted by: John McCain napping peacefully after lunch at June 30, 2010 08:57 AM (YObWz)

94 how about a federal bounty of $50.00 per illegal identified and detained for the responding citizen. $10,000 for an employer identified and prosecuted. Not just to cops, to anyone. Unions would love it.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2010 08:59 AM (kn5uV)

95

 He isn't running for President, or RNC Chairman, or Supreme Conservative Leader And Messiah. 

Can't say as I blame him.  Wouldn't want the President's job, and I doubt I'd have much fun as RNC chair either.  But you know that last one doesn't sound half bad.

Any idea what the hours and payscale are like?  Might just have to throw my hat in that ring.. lol

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 30, 2010 08:59 AM (e8T35)

96

Yea, but that's out of 29 billion and considering the hole they are in, they'd need to cut more than that.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

NJ is my neighboring state, we have a better idea of what an accomplishment it is to get any cuts at all in the state budget of a Northeast megalopolis locale. NJ's budget especially has been on an upward trajectory of spending since forever. And of course this spending has occurred courtesy of ever increasing and numerous tax increases of every imaginable type. Christie's genius is that he is managing to get his message across despite an onslaught of negative campaigning and a hostile press. The voters are beginning to see things his way.

Posted by: kallisto at June 30, 2010 09:03 AM (+FkcS)

97 Agree - a free-for-all, no spending limits, no public funding electoral system is the worst kind of system - except all the others that have ever been devised.

Somebody proposed a sunshine system years ago when BCRA was in the news.  The idea was to eliminate all laws except 100% honest identification of the source of the money.  Make it a hard-time crime to participate in obscuring the source of a contribution.

Then, make the contribution information completely public.

We used a similar system for internet content filtering at a small company I worked for in the late 90s.  All http requests went through a logging proxy server, and the logs were available to everyone in the company.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 09:06 AM (lBmZl)

98 Posted by: kallisto at June 30, 2010 02:03 PM (+FkcS)

Ok, ok, so Christie is just warming up, I get it. =)


Posted by: KG at June 30, 2010 09:07 AM (S8TF5)

99

Does the MFM ever portray Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann as moderate on certain issues to discourage their base? No, they don't.

They praise the Republicans they like, and demonize the ones they hate. If the media was anti-Christie, they'd be saying that he supports the AZ law just like those "extremists".

Posted by: Moron in a Leopard Snuggie at June 30, 2010 09:08 AM (Ks4nX)

100 Well politico lied...............I'am suprised to hear that.........not

Posted by: B35toSunsetPark at June 30, 2010 09:13 AM (GASD9)

101 how about a federal bounty of $50.00 per illegal identified and detained for the responding citizen. $10,000 for an employer identified and prosecuted. Not just to cops, to anyone. Unions would love it.

How about a points-based system for a path to citizenship?

Give illegals points for informing on fellow illegals and put the top ten thousand informants each month on an amnesty track.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 09:15 AM (lBmZl)

102 106:   To the Founders, unfettered political speech was at least co-equal with free exercise of religion (if not their more dominant concern).  I've never seen a "reform" that didn't favor one set of interests over another, or have the effect of chilling free political speech in general (e.g. DISCLOSE).

Businessmen have to seek out both investors and customers.  Why shouldn't politicians have to seek out donors and voters in the same fashion ?

Of course, the devil is in what "product" the politician is selling - his broad views or his specific votes - but that's something best left to a) bribery laws and b) open disclosure of funding to an informed citizenry.  Fundamentally, a seat can't be "bought" unless the public buys into what the bucks-up candidate is selling, no matter how much $$$ a Soros or a Murdoch might throw their way.

The opportunities for corruption would be many, of course, but it's not as if the present system does a damned thing to stop them as is.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 09:21 AM (7ZyYf)

103

Unless and until the American public quits both major parties in disgust (something that is becoming more possible but still far over the horizon), the only thing a third party can do is play spoiler to one major party or the other.

But then two new factions would arise to take their place. Federalists and Anti-Federalists, Democrats and Whigs.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 30, 2010 09:22 AM (ujg0T)

104 103:

If counties and states are doing the Feds job, let them get paid for it.  Not as a "bounty" but as reimbursement.  But keep it cost-neutral so it's not used as a bounty system per se (the comparisons that would draw to slave-hunting in the 19th century wouldn't be worth the candle). 

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 09:24 AM (7ZyYf)

105 The opportunities for corruption would be many, of course, but it's not as if the present system does a damned thing to stop them as is.

Even worse:  The present system encourages and rewards some forms of corruption while punishing others.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 09:26 AM (lBmZl)

106 113:

That's the likely outcome - probably more due to our "winner-take-all" apportionment system than anything else.  Given the electoral and governing chaos proportional systems seem to breed, however, I'll stick with the gal I'm dancing with now. 

In the watersheds where two-party systems have overturned and reformed the dominant issues tend to get reshuffled.   The whole fiscal, national security and social con balance could get reshuffled on our side and the pacifists, union whores, freeloaders, socialists and outright communists on the other side could do the same.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 09:31 AM (7ZyYf)

107 116a:

Two more years of Zero and the "Stop Fucking With The Economy" party will trump everything.  Motto - All Other Issues Be Damned.

To appeal to abortion supporters, their platform will include mandatory retroactive 4th trimester abortions for all Congressmen.  To appeal to the Minutemen, they will support forced deportation of all Americans who didn't pay taxes last year.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 30, 2010 09:38 AM (7ZyYf)

108 MikeO

The present system encourages and rewards some forms of corruption ...

Yes. But, the current system corrupts the courts and legislates to augment further corruption to accommodate the most corrupt potus that the public refused to recognize when they elected corruption incarnate.

What legal corruption has Obama's administration addressed? Rather, these sadistic power mongers corrupt what legitimacy they've officially been handed within our Constitutional Republic.

DHS focuses to prosecute veterans and conservatives.
Dept.Education focuses on enforcing perverted sex education to obliterate innocence before kindergarten.
Dept.Justice dismisses the proven case against intimidating Black Panthers threatening voters on election day.
EPA orders Dutch vessels capable of cleaning the oil spill to stay out of Obama's Gulf Spill all this time.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:04 AM (H+LJc)

109 And the POTUS refuses to protect our southern border and all American citizens therein from drug lord Mexican terrorists.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:05 AM (H+LJc)

110  When was the last time we had someone running the show that even looked like they loved a good fist fight. 

Posted by: Old Cav LT at June 30, 2010 01:02 PM (pT+QF)

Ahem.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at June 30, 2010 10:08 AM (W8m8i)

111 supports the AZ law just like those "extremists".

Meanwhile, just what Obama has been waiting to happen:

Arizona Park a ‘No-Go’ Zone for American Citizens.
By Annie Jacobsen @ Pajamas Media, June 25, 2010 [page 1 of 2]

The Sonoran Desert National Monument is so overrun with drug gangs that the U.S. Bureau of Land Management has warned Americans not to enter the park.

Eighty-five miles northwest of Tucson lies the Sonoran Desert National Monument, a lovely area designated as a national park by one of the last acts of Bill Clinton’s presidency. [Whose property did the federal government usurp? Certainly not from the native tribal lands.]

Today, the road to get there is closed. Signs warn Americans not to cross into territory south of Interstate 8, land the former president called “a magnificent example of untrammeled Sonoran desert landscape.” An ironic choice of words — untrammeled is defined as “not deprived of freedom; not restricted.”

An American national monument has become a drug-smuggling corridor between Mexico and the southwest. Wars between Mexican drug cartels have grown so severe in the park that the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), who manages it, says it’s too dangerous to enter.

The park sits in the Vekol Valley, which falls under the jurisdiction of Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu. Unlike BLM, Babeu has law enforcement obligations to uphold. In April, one of Sheriff Babeu’s deputies, Deputy Louie Puroll, was ambushed in the park while chasing six drug smugglers. Despite the fact that Puroll fired 46 rounds of ammunition at his assailants, he was outgunned, overtaken, and shot.

In a press conference earlier this month, the desperate sheriff called for help from the federal government, asking for as many as 3,000 soldiers:

    We are out gunned, we are outmanned, and we don’t have the resources here to locally fight this. … We need action. People are getting killed out there. We have drug cartels at war with each other. … It’s shameful that we, as the most powerful nation on Earth … can’t even secure our own border and protect our own families.

With the federal government ignoring his pleas, Babeu faces an uphill battle — one that got bigger the third week in June. A group of neo-Nazis decided it was time to take matters into their own hands.

Jason “J.T.” Ready is a member of the Nationalist Socialist Movement. At the New Saxon website, described as a “Community for Whites by Whites,” J.T. Ready posted a call to arms: an anti-invasion operation in the Vekol Valley called “Border Ops,” which Ready describes as “the Minuteman Project on steroids!”

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:14 AM (H+LJc)

112 FOX NEWS
June 16, 2010
US Warns It Cannot Guard Arizona Section of Border

About 3,500 acres of southern Arizona on the Mexican border have been closed off to U.S. citizens because it cannot be defended, according to Fox News.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service told Fox News that the reason is due to the increased violence in the area.

“It’s literally out of control,” Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu told Fox News. “We stood with Senator McCain and literally demanded support for 3,000 soldiers to be deployed to Arizona to get this under control and finally secure our border with Mexico. “

“We need support from the federal government. It’s their job to secure the border and they haven’t done it,” said Babeu. “In fact, President Obama suspended the construction of the fence and it’s just simply outrageous.”
The closed off area includes part of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge that stretches along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Babeu told Fox News that violence against law enforcement officers and U.S. citizens has increased in the past four months, forcing officers on an 80 mile stretch of Arizona land north of the Mexico border off-limits to Americans.

The refuge had been adversely affected by the increase in drug smugglers, illegal activity and surveillance, which made it dangerous for Americans to visit.

"The situation in this zone has reached a point where continued public use of the area is not prudent," said refuge manager Mitch Ellis.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:26 AM (H+LJc)

113 When US citizens are warned that they will not be protected by any government agency in the State of New Jersey, then Christie can have his say about clarity. As things stand, he's the typical east coast idiot who couldn't pin the tail on the donkey west of the Mississippi.


Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:29 AM (H+LJc)

114 3:14 That clan is based in Michigan.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 10:31 AM (H+LJc)

115

GOP politicians need to foucs on Tennessee. If immigration laws are soo complexx and sooo hard to understand why does the state entire have the ability to comply with Federal guest worker laws?

The process seems easy to understand in Tennessee. What makes it difficult in the other 49 states?

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 30, 2010 01:26 PM (JpqtI)

116 Coming late to the site today,  and I see yet another example of people leaping to hasty judgement and getting all upset,  only to find out it was all a case of selective quoting.  (Ace and Hot Air and Politico,  I am talking about YOU.)

The left and certain one-agenda blogs on both the left and the right have done this for years.  Misquotes, anonymous sources, refusing to report things,  leaving things out,  etc. etc.

There is a blog called "Save Jersey" which pretty much carries all of the Christie news,  and the governor is also on YouTube.  I think that before going off half-cocked, people should probably VERIFY what is being said,  rather than acting like a bunch of disappointed fans whose idol turned out to be ghey or something.

I am always hearing about how emotional liberals are and how we are the grown-up party who are thinkers.   Stuff like this makes me pretty doubtful of that interpretation.

It's pretty sad when I , as a grandma, can figure out what's going on with this type of reporting than people who run smart military blogs or whatever this is now supposed to be.  

The same damn thing is going to happen with Palin, Daniels, and anyone else who runs or looks like they might run,  with the exception of Huckabee,  who the left wants us to choose so they can have a second Obama term.

Wake up and realize what's going on!  Good grief!

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