February 26, 2006

France Still Believes It Can Appease Nazis
— Ace

Steyn. Only Steyn:

In five years' time, how many Jews will be living in France? Two years ago, a 23-year-old Paris disc jockey called Sebastien Selam was heading off to work from his parents' apartment when he was jumped in the parking garage by his Muslim neighbor Adel. Selam's throat was slit twice, to the point of near-decapitation; his face was ripped off with a fork; and his eyes were gouged out. Adel climbed the stairs of the apartment house dripping blood and yelling, "I have killed my Jew. I will go to heaven."

Is that an gripping story? You'd think so. Particularly when, in the same city, on the same night, a Jewish woman was brutally murdered in the presence of her daughter by another Muslim. You've got the making of a mini-trend there, and the media love trends.

Yet no major French newspaper carried the story.

This month, there was another murder. Ilan Halimi, also 23, also Jewish, was found by a railway track outside Paris with burns and knife wounds all over his body. He died en route to the hospital, having been held prisoner, hooded and naked, and brutally tortured for almost three weeks by a gang that had demanded half a million dollars from his family. Can you take a wild guess at the particular identity of the gang? During the ransom phone calls, his uncle reported that they were made to listen to Ilan's screams as he was being burned while his torturers read out verses from the Quran.

This time around, the French media did carry the story, yet every public official insisted there was no anti-Jewish element. Just one of those things. Coulda happened to anyone. And, if the gang did seem inordinately fixated on, ah, Jews, it was just because, as one police detective put it, ''Jews equal money.'' In London, the Observer couldn't even bring itself to pursue that particular angle. Its report of the murder managed to avoid any mention of the unfortunate Halimi's, um, Jewishness. Another British paper, the Independent, did dwell on the particular, er, identity groups involved in the incident but only in the context of a protest march by Parisian Jews marred by ''radical young Jewish men'' who'd attacked an ''Arab-run grocery.''

This little stinger is good:

adical young Muslim men are changing the realities of daily life for Jews and gays and women in Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Oslo and beyond. If you don't care for the Yids, big deal; look out for yourself. The Jews are playing their traditional role of the canaries in history's coal mine.

Resolved: As long as Muslims are going to murder Jews outside of Israel, they must admit the need of such a state to serve as sanctuary.

Thanks to Craig again.

Posted by: Ace at 09:55 AM | Comments (46)
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1 And with the wonderful european criminal justice system, they will either be acquited or convicted and serve a mere 10 years.

Posted by: shawn at February 26, 2006 10:19 AM (awR/d)

2 I love this guy.

Posted by: Iblis at February 26, 2006 10:55 AM (9221z)

3 Just got done reading Steyn's piece before flipping over to your place, ace. He's been en fuego re the Islamization of Europe (and Canada) for years.

Posted by: kelly at February 26, 2006 10:59 AM (Bd0+F)

4 Most people I know don't realize WWII started in September of 1939 when Hitler invaded Poland. How many lives could have been saved if the U.S. had acted swiftly and decisively? Unfortunately, we had many appeasers in our government then. I thank God everyday for George W. Bush, who ignores the appeasers. My grandkids will undoubtedly thank him too, one day.

Posted by: BrewFan at February 26, 2006 11:29 AM (0AD+O)

5 The Jews are playing their traditional role of the canaries in history's coal mine.


That sounds like Michael Savage talk...

Posted by: chip at February 26, 2006 11:46 AM (ZNIxu)

6 Is it possible that the French strategy is not appeasement (we'll give you what you want as long as you promise to hurt us) but covert cooperation (we secretly want the same thing you do, but don't have the balls to say or do anything about it)? To make some gross generalizations, everyone has hated the Jews forever. Doesn't it seem at least plausible that French behavior in WWII (and now) is explained not by only by cowardice, but by anti-semitism as well?

Posted by: jerkoff at February 26, 2006 12:02 PM (lbmO+)

7 Quoth Stein:

What, in the end, are all these supposedly unconnected matters from Danish cartoons to the murder of a Dutch filmmaker to gender-segregated swimming sessions in French municipal pools about? Answer: sovereignty. Islam claims universal jurisdiction and always has. The only difference is that they're now acting upon it. [emphasis mine]

Exactly. This is also the reason that the United Nations is so Islam-friendly. The UN does not believe in sovereignty, either. Likewise the UN claims universal jurisdiction. What a perfect partner for Islamism.

My prediction: it's not too long before the UN elects a Muslim Secretary-General. Ponder on that one for a while.

Posted by: Mark @ a marble desk at February 26, 2006 12:28 PM (rFLG5)

8 Ahh the French, those men of all men......if all men are cowards; if all are boot-licking, knee-knocking, putrefied purveyors of pacifism, then indeed the French...are men of all men.

Posted by: B-1 at February 26, 2006 12:54 PM (bVKzV)

9 The Jews are playing their traditional role of the canaries in history's coal mine.

That sounds like Michael Savage talk...

Posted by chip at February 26, 2006 04:46 PM
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It may sound extreme, but isn't it true? The survival of Western civilization is seriously in doubt here. Denying the culture war we're facing guarantees victory to Islamism. Thus far, we apparently lack the will to even admit this truth to ourselves. If we are to survive, we'd better get some balls and start kicking ass.

Posted by: Bullington at February 26, 2006 01:01 PM (/QYGF)

10 " If we are to survive, we'd better get some balls and start kicking ass. "-Bullington

We need to try and understand what makes our enemies hate us so much, and this kind of talk is not helpful. We need to close the gap between their blades and our necks, between their"missles" and our asses. We need to suck as much jihad juice as we can until we realize that this religion of peace should rule the world. Peace be unto you.

George Bush betrayed his country!

Posted by: ALGORE at February 26, 2006 01:18 PM (bVKzV)

11 We need to try and understand what makes our enemies hate us so much, and this kind of talk is not helpful.

Please don't say anything like this even when joking. It cause by blood pressure to spike.

Posted by: shawn at February 26, 2006 01:21 PM (B8ta7)

12 I'm thinking of some unpolitically correct things to say about Islam and terror, but I don't want to get in trouble. I'll just say that I would support any measures our military finds necessary to change the face of the Middle East.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at February 26, 2006 01:25 PM (4gjAs)

13 I don't think Americans really understand how close we came to sitting out the European war in WWII entirely. The Japanese war was forced upon us, but there was great resistance to any intervention in Europe: memories of World War I were still too fresh. Even given the invasion of Poland, Russia, and France, America would probably have remained on the sidelines but for the colossally stupid Hitler -- he declared war on us, thus saving FDR from a probably-futile effort to get Americans into the European war.

It's a mystery as to why Hitler did this, other than out of some misguided sense of obligation under the Axis pact. Ribbentrop, Jodl, Keitel, and the rest of the high command were privately horrified when it happened -- some of the leaders had even secretly entertained notions of trying to bring America into the Axis, due to the large number of German-Americans who could act as a cultural conduit.

America's war against Nazi Germany was anything but an ethical or moral crusade; it was a burden, and an unlooked for one at that.

Posted by: Monty at February 26, 2006 01:35 PM (djE5R)

14 As everyone has already alluded to, the big problem here is that a great majority of the West is unwilling to recognize the threat. Most people are absolutely unwilling to acknowledge that there is a real cultural war going on.

The acknowledgement of such a war is absolutely anathema to everything the leftists of Western civilization adhere to. It would mean adopting a world view that they despise.

Bring up this topic to an American liberal or almost any European, and all you will get from them is a massive...
*ROLL EYES*.

Posted by: Rip at February 26, 2006 01:40 PM (q2HEf)

15 I can't imagine being a jew and living in western Europe. The euros are anti semites. Simple as that. A jew living anywhere but Israel or the U.S. is rolling the dice. It's not a coincidence that the holocaust was allowed to happen in Europe. The people closed their eyes and pretended it was not happening, after all, it was "only" the jooooooooos.

Sad.

Posted by: fugazi at February 26, 2006 02:04 PM (Ei/Jn)

16 I think this old saying pretty much sums up the French:

"The problem with France is that its inhabited by the French."

Posted by: Cheese_Tensor at February 26, 2006 02:24 PM (41Dd+)

17 Michael Shaara had a wonderful passage in his book The Killer Angels that I've never forgotten. The speaker in the piece is Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain of the 20th Maine Regiment.

He had grown up believing in America and the individual and it was a stronger faith than his faith in God. This was the land where no man had to bow. In this place at last a man could stand up free of the past, free of tradition and blood ties and teh curse of royalty and become what he wished to become. This was the first place on earth where the man mattered more than the state. True freedom had begun here and it would spread eventually all over the earth. But it had begun here.

I still get chills when I read that piece. And by God, I believe every word of it with my whole heart.

Posted by: Monty at February 26, 2006 02:35 PM (djE5R)

18 Even though most gay people in this country are still on the left, lots of us aren't (25% voted for Bush), and gay people are among the most prominent resistors of the Islamofascists in Europe. (Think Pim Fortuyn.) We're canaries in the mine, too.

I know who's the bigger threat, but I'm still afraid of the Christian right and wish they'd leave us alone. How about some moral support from secular conservatives?

Posted by: Curt at February 26, 2006 03:06 PM (NuGC3)

Posted by: Muslihoon at February 26, 2006 03:25 PM (Q8UK2)

20 What I was sayin' is, I've heard Michael Savage make the Jews as canaries analogy on several occasions.

Posted by: chip at February 26, 2006 03:26 PM (ZNIxu)

21 I know who's the bigger threat, but I'm still afraid of the Christian right and wish they'd leave us alone.

What exactly are you afraid of concerning the "Christian right"? I'm talking the majority of church-going people who vote conservative and perhaps don't support gay marriage. Not the Falwells and Robertsons of the world.

Posted by: TomB at February 26, 2006 03:26 PM (28nQL)

22 I pretty much refuse to visit any place that's dangerous for Jews. Because that's where it starts, as mentioned above.

My own opinion (living in a Russian Jewish area of Queens) is that NYC is the promised land, but I'm fine with Israel, too. It's just a lot safer here in New York.

Posted by: meep at February 26, 2006 03:37 PM (GqHvA)

23 What exactly are you afraid of concerning the "Christian right"? I'm talking the majority of church-going people who vote conservative and perhaps don't support gay marriage. Not the Falwells and Robertsons of the world.

Sorry, it occurred to me as soon as I pressed "post" that I was possibly insulting lots of people who do leave us alone. I meant exactly people like Falwell and Robertson. Just because gay people have a pretty nice life in the U.S. today, a considerable share of the electorate would like to recriminalize homosexual behavior and take us back to the bad old days I still remember.

I don't have a problem with people opposing gay marriage. I would be satisfied to have a social consensus in favor of basic rights for gay citizens.

Posted by: Curt at February 26, 2006 03:49 PM (NuGC3)

24 Curt,

I think you'll find that much of the current animus towards gays -- however much there is -- will pass with the older generation. Among my cohort (38 years old), the response to gays is pretty much a shrug. It's like talking about the weather.

Obviously this isn't true everywhere, or to the same degree, but just look at how much things have changed in just the last fifty years or so. Cultural mores change slowly, but they do change.

Posted by: Monty at February 26, 2006 03:58 PM (djE5R)

25 How about some moral support from secular conservatives?

Well, on one hand, we could.......

But does that mean we'd have to quit cracking all the cheap Brokeback Mountain,/i> jokes?

Posted by: Reddish Jode at February 26, 2006 04:28 PM (/ly3G)

26 How about some moral support from secular conservatives?

Well, I'm a secular libertarian kind of guy, and I couldn't care less who's allowed to marry whom. Just wish the state would get out of the marriage business.

Posted by: geoff at February 26, 2006 04:34 PM (vpYuK)

27 I'll shrug, like Monty, on the whole Gay issue. But I don't think "The Christian Right" is going to throw homosexuals to the Muslims. Gays are somewhere towards the top of their hit list. Division is not going to help any of us. Feeding Jews, Gays, the left- handed, or Lionel train fans to Muslims only makes them stronger when they come for you. We're all Infedels.

Posted by: hutch1200 at February 26, 2006 04:45 PM (nXmrG)

28 Even though most straight people are still on the right, lots of us aren't (40% voted for Kerry), and straight people are among the most prominent resistors of Islamofascists in Europe.(Think Tony Blair.) We're canaries in the mine, too.

I know who's the bigger threat, but I'm still afraid of the anti-Christian left and wish they'd leave us alone. How about some moral support from religious liberals?

Posted by: Curt's Alter Ego at February 26, 2006 04:56 PM (6FWCY)

29 I don't know if this is any consolation, but even religious organizations that formerly were implacably anti-homosexuality have softened their stance a bit. Two I am aware of are the Roman Catholic Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They still officially believe that homosexual sexual acts are sins and cannot be condoned, and both still officially oppose same-sex marriage, but with the introduction of "homosexuality is not a sin, acting on it is," and with repeated statements that adherents must respect everyone's rights, including homosexuals, the environment has and will change. The argument has been refocused away from the person to the person's acts, which changes the picture significantly. It's no longer being concerned with homosexuals as much as it is being concerned with sexually immoral people, which includes people who have sexual relations with the same sex. The way I see it, it's demoting homosexuality to be at the level of other sexual sins (such as fornication and adultery). The acceptability of rabid anti-homosexuality and making homosexuality of capital concern is fast fading.

So, for the most part, I do not think the Religious Right - at least in Christianity - is as much of a threat as some may think, at least throughout the nation and for the future. People have more important issues to focus on.

Posted by: Muslihoon at February 26, 2006 05:06 PM (Q8UK2)

30 I'm gay, I'm gay, I'm gay, I'm gay.
Did I mention I'm gay.

Posted by: a gay guy at February 26, 2006 05:19 PM (6FWCY)

31 Gay guy,

Wait.

Are you saying that you're gay?

Posted by: Reddish Jode at February 26, 2006 05:23 PM (/ly3G)

32 Chip,

My comment was a strong one. I didn't intend it as a confrontation directed toward you. If it seemed that way to you, my apologies.

Muslihoon,

Thanks for pointing to your post on Monty's Chamberlain quote. I enjoyed it.

Monty,

Thanks for the Chamberlain quote. I hadn't read that before. It's a beautiful sentiment from a truly admirable man. He and the 20th Maine gave "our boys" a butt-whipping for the ages at Gettysburg.
What an outstanding officer!

It's good to see that the belief in American Exceptionalism is alive and well here. Like Rip, I've experienced the eye-rolling thing when I've discussed this with some of my friends. It's considered terribly passe these days, apparently.

Which brings me to what I'm really concerned about right now. I'm concerned that our society has become so complacent and so decadent that we won't be able to summon the collective will to defend ourselves aggressively enough to defeat the Islamists.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.


Posted by: Bullington at February 26, 2006 05:35 PM (/QYGF)

33 "I know who's the bigger threat, but I'm still afraid of the Christian right and wish they'd leave us alone. How about some moral support from secular conservatives?"

Curt, You're afraid? Afraid of what exactly? I'm having a hard time remembering the last time a member of the Christian Right proposed any law that will deprive us of any of our rights that are enumerated in the constitution. Notice how I don't include any made up "rights", that don't really exist(gay marriage)?

Until they send the secret police to round us all up and send us to concentration camps, I suggest you grow some testicles and get over your fearful little self!

Perhaps straights would stop teasing us about being pansies if we stopped acting like frail little girly-victims. Can you dig it?


Posted by: Log Cabin at February 26, 2006 05:38 PM (Vsh3q)

34 Curt,

For the record, socially conservative Christians would also like to be left alone in the same way. I found ACT-UP in their heyday to be pretty scary. They would go into churches and disrupt services. Not exactly building bridges. Ah, well.

Very few people want to criminalize homosexuality, even amongst the Christian right. What minister wants to face his wife and tell her he was reponsible for sending her hairdresser to jail? She'll be pissed. Seems hardly worth the trouble.

In full Sontag mode, I will claim Flight 93 is a metaphor. Men, women, gays, Christians, all banded together as Americans to face a challege that made whatever differences they might have had insignificant.

Posted by: caspera at February 26, 2006 05:42 PM (jylGY)

35 In full Sontag mode, I will claim Flight 93 is a metaphor. Men, women, gays, Christians, all banded together as Americans to face a challege that made whatever differences they might have had insignificant.

Caspera,

I guess that's really the point I wanted to make, that we should all stick together to face the enemy. I just wanted to remind readers of this excellent blog that some of the bravest opponents of the Muslims in Europe are gay.

The commentary on the Mohammed cartoons - the media's refusal to run the cartoons but eagerness to reproduce the piss Christ and dung Madonna - reminded me of the abuse that gets heaped on Christians in this country, and how grateful we should be that almost all of them (with a very few exceptions) are decent and civilized people.

I do think conservative Christians are taking a more live-and-let-live attitude lately, but what they consider the problem of homosexuality is still pretty near the top of their agenda. As I pesonally remember the world lots of them want to recreate, I feel threatened by that.

Posted by: Curt at February 26, 2006 06:29 PM (NuGC3)

36 Curt........Curt.......
I love you man!

Posted by: GOD at February 26, 2006 07:14 PM (6FWCY)

37 Curt, the nice thing about being in the U.S. is that there's a limit to how threatening any one faction can be. Why?
Here's one reason....

Posted by: Cliff S. at February 26, 2006 08:43 PM (NFB33)

38 Cliff,

I just took the CHC class this weekend, and having guns does make me feel more secure.

Posted by: Curt at February 26, 2006 08:49 PM (NuGC3)

39 Resolved: As long as Muslims are going to murder Jews outside of Israel, they must admit the need of such a state to serve as sanctuary.

That reads like an ellusion to the . . . I forget her name, the little hottie that used to be on MSNBC, when she had an interview with the guy in afghanistan before the war. She asked about the soccer stadium that was being used for public executions, and doesn't the "international community have a right to be outraged that you are using a stadium meant to entertain, and inspire your people is being used as an area for public executions" and the Fucking guy SAID! "Then the International community should build us a place for public executions" WHAT THE FUCK!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 26, 2006 09:37 PM (QTv8u)

40 Just because gay people have a pretty nice life in the U.S. today, a considerable share of the electorate would like to recriminalize homosexual behavior and take us back to the bad old days I still remember.


Huh?

Would you care to provide any proof that a "considerable share of the electorate would like to recriminalize homosexual behavior"?

I know of nobody in politics (or even near politics) who wants to criminalize homosexuality.

If you are going to make an inflammatory statement like that, please support it.

Posted by: TomB at February 27, 2006 02:24 AM (28nQL)

41 Bullington wrote:

Which brings me to what I'm really concerned about right now. I'm concerned that our society has become so complacent and so decadent that we won't be able to summon the collective will to defend ourselves aggressively enough to defeat the Islamists.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.

You know...I don't really fear for America. America is not a place so much as it is an idea. And the idea will endure as long as people believe in it. I've lived all my life in the Midwest and the South, and I can tell you that most Americans still do have faith in this country (even liberals!) and love for it.

The problem with our material success, of course, is that it removes most citizens from the day-to-day maintenance of our freedom. The vast majority of Americans have never been in the military or the foreign service (or even an NGO like the Peace Corps), so all they know is what they see -- a boundless expanse of prosperity the likes of which the world has never known before. And yet it seems that this bounty has come about by accident; most people know no history, so they know little of the sacrifices and bloodshed necessary to achieve these luxuries. Wealth is simply like the air itself -- it was always there; it will always be there.

I've often said that if America is to win this war, then we must feel that we are at war. The citizens themselves -- all citizens -- should be engaged in some way, like they did in WWII. Bond drives, blood drives, something. It's not for a material need, but a spiritual one. The citizen should feel that his country is indeed in danger, and be filled with a resolve to protect it -- not the land itself, but the idea of America. Americans almost alone in the world fight for ideas, not for land or treasure or conquest.

But you know, fighting for an idea requires someone with good moral character. It's no accident that many if not most soldiers profess a robust religious faith (whatever faith it may be). It requires an amount of civic pride and knowledge of history, both of which are lacking in many of today's citizens.

I've always believed in the same credo as Abraham Lincoln:

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

Posted by: Monty at February 27, 2006 04:14 AM (UdJCa)

42 Time to dust off the guillotine and sperate a few muslum extremists heads from their bodies

Posted by: spurwing plover at February 27, 2006 04:50 AM (AlCYT)

43 TomB,

I'm at work and don't have time to search for every quote of a congressman comparing homosexuality to criminal behavior, but the link is to Gallup poll results showing that 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans believe it should be criminal.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-28-poll_x.htm

Posted by: Curt at February 27, 2006 05:15 AM (3tzo+)

44 Curt

It will get better. All the talk about criminilization and hatred is bluster. The FMA would never pass, even though some people still are willing to disregard the admonition about throwing the first stone.

Consider that adultry, which is not even catagorized as an involuntary sin, as homosexual sex is, and which was actually written down by G-d, is not criminal in this country. I think Monty is correct, that attitude is going to die with it's last adherants.

I think the rest of us are not willing to cast that first stone, knowing full well that we are all sinners and that for a sin such as this, it is better to show G-ds love than man's wrath.

My .02 anway.

Posted by: Defense Guy at February 27, 2006 06:28 AM (jPCiN)

45 Defense Guy,

I'm sure you're right, that tolerance in growing and the persistent, unreasonable obsession is declining.

I'll try to worry about something else for a while.

Posted by: Curt at February 27, 2006 08:24 AM (UOOBR)

46 "Consider that adultry, which is not even catagorized as an involuntary sin, as homosexual sex is, and which was actually written down by G-d, is not criminal in this country."

Adultery is against the law in some states, but the law is rarely enforced.

Involuntary sex is called rape.

Posted by: Prosecution Dude at February 27, 2006 07:08 PM (KbSA4)

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