March 30, 2016

France Scraps Plans to Revise Constitution to Permit the Forfeiture of Citizenship of Terrorists
— Ace

Damnit.

I'm aware this would have some serious slippery-slope consequences, but... oh well.

French President Francois Hollande said Wednesday he was scrapping his plan for constitutional reforms in the wake of the November 13 attacks on Paris, including a measure to strip convicted terrorists of their nationality.

Hollande announced in a televised statement he was "closing the constitutional debate" on the reforms after the lower house, the National Assembly, and opposition-dominated Senate failed to agree on the text.

Hollande proposed the reforms after Islamic State group suicide bombers and gunmen killed 130 people across Paris.

The right was in favor of this reform, as was Hollande's socialist government. But his actual Socialist Party strongly opposed it, because Terrorists Are Wonderful F***ing People.

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1 Yay! New thread!

Posted by: HH at March 30, 2016 11:16 AM (DrCtv)

2 Whoo Hoo new thread

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 11:17 AM (fizMZ)

3 HH you get them, I'm not going back there

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 11:18 AM (fizMZ)

4 Can someone EILI5 for me... what would this accomplish? Why does it matter where someone's citizenship is if they're already a convicted terrorist?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 30, 2016 11:18 AM (KUaJL)

5 So they are just stuck with these terrorist? Can't deport them?

Posted by: HH at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (DrCtv)

6 I'm not sure that this is a bad thing. If you just grabbed the terrorists citizenship and kicked them out of the country, the terrorists are still alive and wandering the planet, ready to do more evil.

Posted by: johnd01 at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (ukNFU)

7 My genius is appreciated in France.

Posted by: Jerry Lewis at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (FXW24)

8 Once a cheese eating surrender monkey, always a cheese eating surrender monkey?

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (bA+CL)

9 Skip, I did.

Posted by: HH at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (DrCtv)

10 I smell Nood!

Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (aQQbl)

11 Declare them to be citizens of Atlantis, and drop them off in their new home.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 30, 2016 11:19 AM (QM5S2)

12 Oh Noes! A Thread that's Not About THAT Person! However shall we persevere!?! On topic . . . seems like, in the US anyway, a citizen convicted of terrorism against the US or US interests could arguably have committed treason.

Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 11:20 AM (s5o+q)

13 Mmmm...new thread smell!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at March 30, 2016 11:20 AM (0mRoj)

14 Bring back zee guillotine! Problem solved.

Posted by: johnd01 at March 30, 2016 11:20 AM (ukNFU)

15 Was the proposal to strip native French terrorists of citizebnship? Or just emigres? Because I see nothing wrong with the latter. We do it with Nazis and war-criminals.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 30, 2016 11:20 AM (rwI+c)

16 On topic . . . seems like, in the US anyway, a citizen convicted of terrorism against the US or US interests could arguably have committed treason. Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 04:20 PM (s5o+q) Ah, I mean of course terrorism in support of some foreign "interest."

Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (s5o+q)

17 Too bad they still don't make them forfeit their heads.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (Qvgg/)

18 Hollande is a Socialist. One of their factions is the Islamic vote Hollande is bowing to THAT constituentcy

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (zOTsN)

19 Without citizenship, they have no right to enter France or receive benefits. Also, after serving a prison sentence which at max is about 24 years but usually much less, they can be deported.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (iQIUe)

20 So.. where would they go? If you are striped of your French nationality who takes you?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (/tuJf)

21 Removing the citizenship of a Frenchman just because of little terrorist activity? That would be embarrassingly Trump-like.

Posted by: jwest at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (Zs4uk)

22 >>>Why does it matter where someone's citizenship is if they're already a convicted terrorist? well i think you could deport them. though as a practical matter, I don't know if you'd want to send them to places that would be willing to take them. to be honest I didn't really think about this much. It just seemed like something mean you could do, which I was in favor of. Oh here's one thing -- you could deny them welfare benefits. Not a citizen = not able to receive france's huge, luxurious welfare benefits.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (dciA+)

23 The EU doesn't permit the death penalty,or prison sentences over 30 years.So very civilised.

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2016 11:21 AM (B48dK)

24 As I posted on the last thread Fox is reporting the UN wants countries to accept more " Syrians ".

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 11:22 AM (fizMZ)

25 >>So.. where would they go? If you are striped of your French nationality who takes you? Don't look at me!

Posted by: Corsica at March 30, 2016 11:22 AM (MvFEq)

26
Oh here's one thing -- you could deny them welfare benefits. Not a citizen = not able to receive france's huge, luxurious welfare benefits.

--

That doesn't work in the US - non-citizens get welfare.  Is it really true that in Europe non-citizens    don't?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 30, 2016 11:22 AM (Qvgg/)

27 leader of the French government reneges on promise to take away the citizenship of terrorists because he needs their families votes

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (zOTsN)

28 Well, I was late to movie review thread but, The Thing in French is Le Je Nais Sais Pas.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (Nwg0u)

29 They will still strip your citizenship of you say english words like "le cheeseburger"

Posted by: wooga at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (litLv)

30 >>>Was the proposal to strip native French terrorists of citizebnship? Or just emigres? Because I see nothing wrong with the latter. We do it with Nazis and war-criminals. a lot of terrorists are *native* frenchmen -- they were born french. Plus, many algerians, I'm pretty sure, automatically were french citizens. if you're talking about discriminating between the french-blooded and arab-blooded, there's no way their courts (or any western country's courts) would permit that.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (dciA+)

31 Effete.

Posted by: G6loq at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (zj+JZ)

32 Let's say they were French born terrorists. Stripped of citizenship, they could be deported. Deport them to where?
Kinda rude to offer them up for sale isn't it? /sarc

Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (aQQbl)

33 Declare them to be citizens of Atlantis, and drop them off in their new home. *** At 20,000 feet.

Posted by: Infidel at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (Z1SI2)

34 Barky will grant them nationality, if they get in a bind with France.

Posted by: t-bird at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (9mTYi)

35 24 Obama will answer the call.

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (B48dK)

36 So.. where would they go? If you are striped of your French nationality who takes you? Tell me about it.

Posted by: Philip Nolan at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (1xUj/)

37 To everyone who has asked about Fart Tubing and whether it is legal in Brattleboro...The answer is yeas and it was passed by our city council about a week ago.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 30, 2016 11:23 AM (KRuzk)

38 Le France est mort.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (0LHZx)

39 Hollande is a whore

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (zOTsN)

40 19 Without citizenship, they have no right to enter France or receive benefits. Also, after serving a prison sentence which at max is about 24 years but usually much less, they can be deported. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 04:21 PM (iQIUe) Now I understand. If ya shoot em or hang 'em it don't really matter. If the most they can get is 24 years...

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (48QDY)

41 Not a citizen = not able to receive france's huge, luxurious welfare benefits. Thank Allah, that's not how we do it here.

Posted by: Barry at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (c7vUv)

42 Why does it matter where someone's citizenship is if they're already a convicted terrorist? Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 30, 2016 04:18 PM (KUaJL) As someone mentioned upthread, this may be targeting the emigres- and it could mean that if someone was convicted of terrorism, they, AND their family would be deported. That would have been a useful tactic in removing familial threats, which is often a byproduct of terrorism. Family honor and such, you know.

Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (7q2ch)

43 For a Trump post, the last comment thread wasn't all that bad. Pretty mild compared to some in the recent few weeks. Re: this post, there seems to be no political will anywhere to deal with terrorists in a serious way except for a handful of countries that still have a national identity like Hungary and Poland.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (2x3L+)

44 Corsica -- Corsicans don't mess around, might be the best place for them.

Posted by: flmomof4 at March 30, 2016 11:24 AM (bEXWJ)

45 It's France, so I have no skin in that game. But, for the US, I would oppose any efforts to strip any citizen of his citizenship unless he was a naturalized citizen who lied as part of the naturalization process.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 11:25 AM (R+30W)

46 I'm afraid that just means that we are still running headlong into another world war. 

Will someone please make a fucking lunar colony already?

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 30, 2016 11:25 AM (sqs5K)

47 >>As someone mentioned upthread, this may be targeting the emigres- and it could mean that if someone was convicted of terrorism, they, AND their family would be deported. That would have been a useful tactic in removing familial threats, which is often a byproduct of terrorism. Family honor and such, you know. Sounds good with the slight problem that they are no longer a citizen of their old country so why would they take in a non-citizen convicted terrorist?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:25 AM (/tuJf)

48 They just need to develop a blood test where if you stick a heated wire into their blood and they're ISIS, their blood goes all batshit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 30, 2016 11:25 AM (Nwg0u)

49 So the only rational people are the f&cking terrorists?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 30, 2016 11:26 AM (voOPb)

50 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 11:26 AM (GwIKd)

51 "Obama will answer the call." You bet he will. With glee.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 30, 2016 11:26 AM (LA7Cm)

52 Another chance to board that bus will come along again.
Soon.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at March 30, 2016 11:26 AM (2bryz)

53 Re: this post, there seems to be no political will anywhere to deal with terrorists in a serious way except for a handful of countries that still have a national identity like Hungary and Poland. Posted by: L, Elle at March 30, 2016 04:24 PM (2x3L+) yet another reason to move there!!!!

Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 11:26 AM (7q2ch)

54 As I posted on the last thread Fox is reporting the UN wants countries to accept more " Syrians ". Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 04:22 PM (fizMZ) Before all the difficulties began, what was the population of Syria? In answer to my own question, apparently somewhere around 21 million, in 2010, total.

Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (s5o+q)

55 i don't know if it helps deport a family -- if you're a french citizen, assumedly, your kids are automatically french citizens, so stripping you of your citizenship would have no effect on theirs. If you're a citizen who has brought in some overseas relations on a special asylum thing or something like that, you could get rid of them by this process; but that seems like a corner-case situation, and it also seems you could expel them for other reasons (since they're only in the country by the state's grace).

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (dciA+)

56 this is true the West has become the Ultimate The Thing Tribute

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (zOTsN)

57 Muslims on the mooooonnnnn!(with a limited air supply)

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (B48dK)

58 Hollande is a whore Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 04:24 PM (zOTsN) Yup, him and 99.9% of all politicians

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (voOPb)

59 I don't see this passing or failing as a help or hindrance to France or anywhere else.
Sounded good on paper I guess. Yet again, the only way to be rid of vermin it to really be rid of them.

Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (aQQbl)

60 Will someone please make a fucking lunar colony already? Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 30, 2016 04:25 PM (sqs5K) What a terrific idea! We could ship terrorists there and give them world citizenship rights on the moon.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (DofIg)

61 Without the plan, French politicians become a little more culpable for letting all the terrorists in. They have no squirrel to hide behind.

Posted by: t-bird at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (mxCgt)

62 This would be a bad idea in the US too. Look at how the left has taken to calling every opinion the find uncomfortable, "terrorism." You'd be putting a very dangerous tool in the hands of imbeciles who can only argue by comparing things they find distasteful with Hitler or terrorism.

Posted by: jmt at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (I8vjj)

63 Obama will answer the call. Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2016 04:23 PM (B48dK) It is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard, after all.

Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 11:27 AM (s5o+q)

64 >>>45 It's France, so I have no skin in that game. But, for the US, I would oppose any efforts to strip any citizen of his citizenship unless he was a naturalized citizen who lied as part of the naturalization process. i'm in favor of a 25 year probationary period in which citizenship can be revoked.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (dciA+)

65 Better to amend it to bring back the guillotine.

Posted by: brak at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (MJuTN)

66 Will someone please make a fucking lunar colony already? --------- There is a thought. Ship the undesirables off to the moon like Britain once did sending people to Australia. I mean, what are they going to do from the moon, drop rocks on our head?

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (6LGZD)

67 I see concentration camps in Europe's future. That or one big ass war.

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (GwIKd)

68 >>>This would be a bad idea in the US too. Look at how the left has taken to calling every opinion the find uncomfortable, "terrorism." You'd be putting a very dangerous tool in the hands of imbeciles who can only argue by comparing things they find distasteful with Hitler or terrorism. ... yeah. they ruin everything

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (dciA+)

69 Ha, Moki. We should start packing and making plans together.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 30, 2016 11:28 AM (2x3L+)

70 >>Hollande is a whore Don't be saucy with me, Bernaise!

Posted by: Francois at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (MvFEq)

71 Often their country of origin wants to prosecute them, too, and they are a lot less nice than weenies. Unfortunately, they petition the EU courts and complain to deport them is a violation of their human rights. That's why you need to tell the EUCHR to go take a hike, too.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (iQIUe)

72 Our government has already criminalized unpopular opinions.

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (B48dK)

73 Wouldn't consistent use of capital punishment make this a moot point anyway?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (X7E8f)

74 Oh I was talking about a lunar colony for me, the rest of you earthers can pound sand.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (sqs5K)

75 Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 04:24 PM (7q2ch) That's cool. We'd take em. They'd go to the front of the line. Refugees of an oppressive state and all.

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:29 AM (48QDY)

76 a lot of terrorists are *native* frenchmen -- they were born french. Plus, many algerians, I'm pretty sure, automatically were french citizens. -- My girlfriend was more up on this particular topic than I, and we had discussed it when it had first come up. The two things she mentioned being issues with the proposal was that it couldn't be applied uniformly. Apparently it's also an international law that countries aren't allowed to render people state-less. A person with dual citizenship wouldn't be punished equally to someone who was only a french citizen. All in all, it seemed like more a nominal action than one that would have teeth anyway.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 30, 2016 11:30 AM (KUaJL)

77 I see concentration camps in Europe's future. That or one big ass war. Now who in the world misspells 'and'?

Posted by: t-bird at March 30, 2016 11:30 AM (OLNwX)

78 I hate everyone.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, I hate everyone at March 30, 2016 11:30 AM (pGIWI)

79 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 04:25 PM (R+30W)

I agree.  The slippery slope consequences of stripping citizenship from people who commit serious crimes should not be scoffed at.


Posted by: chemjeff at March 30, 2016 11:30 AM (+Fl7e)

80 Exile them to Elba, rapidement!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 11:30 AM (+eR2D)

81 Posted by: Francois at March 30, 2016 04:29 PM Here we go!

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (48QDY)

82 i think we need a lunatic colony. someplace like gitmo maybe.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (ucDmr)

83 France should just build a couple dirt patch islands in the middle of the ocean, call it French territory, and deposit their terrorist citizens there.

Posted by: China at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (H9MG5)

84 international law does not trump a nation states law as to who is a citizen thats hooey

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

85 Except ace. I don't hate ace. Or CBD. Or JJ Sefton. Vic. Maybe a couple others. Other than those, I hate everyone.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (pGIWI)

86 >>>France should just build a couple dirt patch islands in the middle of the ocean, call it French territory, and deposit their terrorist citizens there. don't they still have Devil's Island? Is that being used?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:31 AM (dciA+)

87 i think we need a lunatic colony. someplace like gitmo maybe. Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 04:31 PM (ucDmr) Little known historical fact: That was the original purpose of the District of Columbia.

Posted by: filbert at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (s5o+q)

88 I say gut them like fishes and throw them into the sea....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (iQIUe)

89 Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen. Membership in such organizations is considered a violation of the oath of U.S. allegiance. Examples include the Nazi Party and Al Qaeda.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (zOTsN)

90 The US actually has that provision for naturalized citizens but I have never heard of them using it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (vvmPQ)

91 64 >>>45 It's France, so I have no skin in that game. But, for the US, I would oppose any efforts to strip any citizen of his citizenship unless he was a naturalized citizen who lied as part of the naturalization process. i'm in favor of a 25 year probationary period in which citizenship can be revoked. Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 04:28 PM (dciA+) ++++ I think we should be very selective about who we grant citizenship to, but once we say you are one of us, you are in. No citizens with an asterisk. The citizen has all the same rights and responsibilities as all the other citizens (with the one exception noted in the constitution regarding natural born).

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (R+30W)

92 I mean, what are they going to do from the moon, drop rocks on our head?
____
Logically...yes. Yes they would

Posted by: Adam Selene at March 30, 2016 11:32 AM (X7E8f)

93 >>i think we need a lunatic colony. someplace like gitmo maybe. Australia was a perfect penal colony but then they went and got civilized. A remote island surrounded by some dangerous seas filled with sharks, sea snake, box jellyfish and other exotic killing machines.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:33 AM (/tuJf)

94 Why cant they drop them off in Antarctica and call them "Citizens of the World"?

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 30, 2016 11:33 AM (sqs5K)

95 Because Corsica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JruXz3Zgh10

Posted by: citizen khan at March 30, 2016 11:33 AM (N9O+q)

96 ace, L'elle told me last night that you bought a wedge of taleggio.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 11:33 AM (+eR2D)

97 >>> international law does not trump a nation states law as to who is a citizen the EU law just might. the EU forbids sentences longer than 30 years, for example.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

98 >>.ace, L'elle told me last night that you bought a wedge of taleggio. yup I did -- had some too. very tasty!

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

99 If you stick them on an island, you have to guard them so they dont escape. Who wants to do that?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:34 AM (iQIUe)

100 I think we should be very selective about who we grant citizenship to, but once we say you are one of us, you are in. No citizens with an asterisk. The citizen has all the same rights and responsibilities as all the other citizens (with the one exception noted in the constitution regarding natural born). Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 04:32 PM (R+30W) Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen. Membership in such organizations is considered a violation of the oath of U.S. allegiance. Examples include the Nazi Party and Al Qaeda.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:34 AM (zOTsN)

101 Following in Canadian Prime Minister Zoolander's footsteps. Feeding the crocodile in the hopes that it eats you last.

Posted by: Slartibartfast at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (o5jzG)

102 If they are guilty enough to take their citizenship.... Shouldn't they probably shoot them? Just a hunch.

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (GwIKd)

103 Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 30 i do not understand the "International Law" thing.

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (48QDY)

104 I know we're not supposed to say this here, but I'm going to say it: Cucks.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (mVjMU)

105 In the US, naturalized status can be revoked by the gubmint, but never citizenship. Where, exactly, would you deport a citizen to?
 
Shades of Liberia?
 
France has the much larger problem, in that they are already 10% muzzy whereas we are around 1%. Belgium has it much worse, at 25% iirc.

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (gyKtp)

106 96 ace, L'elle told me last night that you bought a wedge of taleggio. Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 04:33 PM (+eR2D) Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 30, 2016 11:35 AM (0mRoj)

107 yup I did -- had some too. very tasty! Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 04:34 PM (dciA+)

Glad you liked it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (+eR2D)

108 "France should just build a couple dirt patch islands in the middle of the ocean" The French do have some Pacific Ocean island territories. French Polynesia, etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (LA7Cm)

109 If you stick them on an island, you have to guard them so they dont escape. Who wants to do that?>>>

I think this is what the Sharks with frikin lasers were invented for.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (P/aDH)

110 the EU forbids sentences longer than 30 years, for example. Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 04:34 PM (dciA+) Be ashamed if long term criminals like those ended up doing a Rudolph Hess at 29 Years 363 days?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (DUoqb)

111 Apparently it's also an international law that countries aren't allowed to render people state-less
___
Yes, that would be a terrible violation of international law.

Posted by: Some Taliban Administrator at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (X7E8f)

112 Maybe France could build a wall. They could call it something catchy, like the "Maginot Line."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (8ZskC)

113 I'm totally available.

Posted by: Chateau D'if at March 30, 2016 11:36 AM (gs8be)

114 94: Antarctica would be good. But, what about the poor penguins? They dint do nothin. Thinkin bout goin to kollige.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 11:37 AM (ucDmr)

115 >>The French do have some Pacific Ocean island territories. French Polynesia, etc. Oh hell no. That is still on my bucket list and I don't want burkas spoiling my bikini filled views.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:37 AM (/tuJf)

116 To atone for one's sins, one must destroy oneself.  Nothing will be permitted to stop that.  And by oneself, we mean the peasantry of the West.  Persons of Quality are, by their very nature, exempted from any such foolishness.

So, to recap your peasantly duties:

(1) Pay your taxes.
(2) Die off as expeditiously as possible.  (Not to worry, we have plans in place in the event that there are problems with this obligation.)


Posted by: Western Elites at March 30, 2016 11:37 AM (rznWS)

117 You're not a citizen, come to a country and become a citizenship, and then commit serious crimes? Eff them. Yeah, strip them. Effin ingrates. No slippery slopes. How simple can it be?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:37 AM (iQIUe)

118 What, exactly, is this taleggio? Animal or vegetable, or what?

Posted by: kraken at March 30, 2016 11:37 AM (FqXvH)

119 The French do have some Pacific Ocean island territories. French Polynesia, etc. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 30, 2016 04:36 PM (LA7Cm) As long as its the site where they do the nuke tests, and not the one with the hot native girls.

Posted by: Iblis at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (9221z)

120 They still have French Guiana. Not much going on there other than the occasional satellite launch.

Posted by: brak at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (MJuTN)

121 Madagascar looks like a fun place. I've seen the movies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (8ZskC)

122 Belgium says it has too many jihadis to deal with. Best solution is to start stripping and deporting them.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (iQIUe)

123 You don't need guards if you build a giant wall around the island, a la Escape from New York.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (+eR2D)

124 Presdent Obama should tell France to knock it off and to do more to protect persons of color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 30, 2016 11:38 AM (KRuzk)

125 What, exactly, is this taleggio? Some kind of bacteria infected dairy product I'm guessing.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (6LGZD)

126 >>>118 What, exactly, is this taleggio? Animal or vegetable, or what? it's an italian cheese, semi-soft, smear-ripened (I don't really know what that means). kind of salty and a little nutty. Lots of fat -- it's full-bodied.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (dciA+)

127 Following in Canadian Prime Minister Zoolander's footsteps. Feeding the crocodile in the hopes that it eats you last. They won't be able to resist my charms. *struts down runway* *turns right* *duckfaces*

Posted by: PM Zoolander at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (jnglB)

128 France should just build a couple dirt patch islands in the middle of the ocean - Devil's Island seems appropriate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (Nwg0u)

129 @11: " Declare them to be citizens of Atlantis, and drop them off in their new home."

Just declare them Hostis Humani Generis/Caput Lupinum and be done with it.  Oh wait..that would require balls.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (rznWS)

130 You don't need guards if you build a giant wall around the island, a la Escape from New York. Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 30, 2016 04:38 PM (+eR2D) I am on the other side of the Hudson, would that increase or decrease the value of my land?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:39 AM (DUoqb)

131 It was just a show debate until the whole thing blew over.

Posted by: No pun intended at March 30, 2016 11:40 AM (7wyDO)

132 We will not get out of this mess via the democratic process - or any political process involving Classical Liberalism, as outlined by Milton Friedman. Islamists use all that against us. To defeat Islam - we're going to have to shit-can our current form of government ... ... and pray, once the Islamist threat is over, that we can reign that new government back in. That trick will probably be much tougher.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 11:40 AM (fiGNd)

133 >>They still have French Guiana. Not much going on there other than the occasional satellite launch. Better. They could just kick the tourists out and re-start Devil's Island.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:40 AM (/tuJf)

134 >>I say gut them like fishes and throw them into the sea.... Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! Whoa, not so fast...

Posted by: EPA at March 30, 2016 11:40 AM (c7vUv)

135 what's wrong with sending them to neptune? heard it's beautiful in the fall.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (ucDmr)

136 Okay, broke down and googled it. Taleggio--- a cheese of the stinky chewy variety, loved by the Euro types. Not to be confused with the Velveeta variety, perfect for making grilled cheese.

Posted by: kraken at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (FqXvH)

137 Read The Guardian Hollande was trying to strip the citizenship of terrorists with DUAL nationalities IE they would not be stateless he quit because of protests from muslims in his party, not becuase of anything else

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (zOTsN)

138 It's an interesting idea. If you remove yourself from civilization, civilization should agree to accept such a self-imposed exile. I can, however, see the problems with who is a terrorist because hi there SPLC ! *waves* But I think a nice test of if you shoot up a whole bunch of people on some ostensible political ground will serve as a good definition.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (mf5HN)

139 very enticing, entirely disastrous idea, slippery slope is a real danger. much easier to simply prosecute them for treason.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (vb33c)

140 Reckon there's no chance the French could open up the old Devil's Island again, is there?

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (5csB/)

141 To defeat Islam - we're going to have to shit-can our current form of government ... ... and pray, once the Islamist threat is over, that we can reign that new government back in. That trick will probably be much tougher. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 04:40 PM (fiGNd) Worked well for the Romans. Look how long they lasted.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 11:41 AM (6LGZD)

142 I am on the other side of the Hudson, would that increase or decrease the value of my land? Posted by: Nevergiveup If you put in an elevated deck with decent shooting benches ...

Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2016 11:42 AM (cXiMR)

143 Islamists use all that against us. To defeat Islam - we're going to have to shit-can our current form of government .. In emergencies the Romans could appoint a Dictator for a six-month term.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 30, 2016 11:42 AM (8ZskC)

144 much easier to simply prosecute them for treason. Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:41 PM (vb33c) And THEN shoot them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:42 AM (DUoqb)

145 You have to worry that people will come to the island and help them escape.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 11:42 AM (iQIUe)

146 Under current French law nobody can be stripped of their French nationality if it would leave them stateless, but those who have acquired French citizenship and are convicted of treason or terrorism can lose it. The measure has only been applied to 13 naturalised people with terrorism convictions since 1996.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (zOTsN)

147 If you put in an elevated deck with decent shooting benches ... Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2016 04:42 PM (cXiMR) Ala Wrigley Field? Great idea

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (DUoqb)

148 much easier to simply prosecute them for treason. Posted by: yankeefifth prosecute, in France? Just let the DSGE loose.

Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (cXiMR)

149 dual citizenship is simply stupid.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (vb33c)

150 @60: "Will someone please make a fucking lunar colony already?
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 30, 2016 04:25 PM (sqs5K)


What a terrific idea!
We could ship terrorists there and give them world citizenship rights on the moon."

I'm guessing you didn't see Men In Black 3.  It didn't work out so well for them.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (rznWS)

151 Yes, that would be a terrible violation of international law.
Posted by: Some Taliban Administrator at March 30, 2016 04:36 PM (X7E8f)
_______________________________


Tantamount to murder I would think?

Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (aQQbl)

152 The Lancia Taleggio was a very advanced design for its time.

Posted by: that guy who pretends to be a car guy at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (2WoCi)

153 How about stripping terrorists of their lives. I like that even better.

Posted by: holygoat at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (ZgI/r)

154 much easier to simply prosecute them for treason. Posted by: yankeefifth prosecute, in France? Just let the DSGE loose. Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2016 04:43 PM (cXiMR) good enough.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:43 AM (vb33c)

155 To defeat Islam, we're gonna need a different kind of Pope, preaching a different kind of Crusades. And some Euros with a backbone. And catapults. And longbows.

Posted by: kraken at March 30, 2016 11:44 AM (FqXvH)

156 Hollande's measure would have extended the punitive measure to those with dual nationality who were born in France they would not be stateless becuase they had dual nationality, but they would be french born

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:44 AM (zOTsN)

157 And some cross bows

Posted by: Yo! at March 30, 2016 11:45 AM (GwIKd)

158 I don't think all the muslims will fit on Elba:

But I'm willing to try,
Start with the Saudis,
Moderates on top,

Just how many punchlines does this gag have?
Then add St. Helena variants.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 30, 2016 11:45 AM (DL2i+)

159 I would support a law like that, but let's be honest, it would morph and suddenly if you denied global warming you would be deemed a non-citizen in France. Already there's countries with travel bans on people that hold that view.

Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 11:45 AM (ZoAWs)

160 is dual citizenship an absolute disqualifier for security clearance?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (vb33c)

161 Just how many punchlines does this gag have? How many muslims does it take to plug a volcano? I don't know. Lets try it and see.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (6LGZD)

162 Posted by: kraken at March 30, 2016 04:44 PM (FqXvH You forgot trebuchets.

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (48QDY)

163 "The Lancia Taleggio was a very advanced design for its time." Was that the sport coupe or the roadster?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (LA7Cm)

164 Taleggio was Pinnochio's cousin.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (MvFEq)

165 I'm aware this would have some serious slippery-slope consequences, but... oh well.



Desperate times, desperate measures.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

166 is dual citizenship an absolute disqualifier for security clearance? Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:46 PM (vb33c) Yes...if they know about it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:46 AM (DUoqb)

167 Worked well for the Romans. Look how long they lasted. No shit ... and I'm seriously considering that as the prime motivator for some in bringing in all these terrorists - to sew the seeds of dictatorship - with the current powers-that-be in charge, of course. But what else ... short of a Right Wing Dictator or a Civil War where we first rid ourselves of Progressives ... will work ? Because I can drive you friggin' insane playing Devil's Advocate to any political solution that involves the current Democrats and Republican Establishment.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (fiGNd)

168 Dual citizenship is not only a bad idea, but    illogical.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (Qvgg/)

169 is dual citizenship an absolute disqualifier for security clearance? Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:46 PM (vb33c) Yes...if they know about it Posted by: Nevergiveup But Ted Cruz can be a US Senator with dual citizenship?

Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (ZoAWs)

170 And longbows.

Posted by: kraken at March 30, 2016 04:44 PM (FqXvH)

_________

Longbows? Why, so AtC can shoot them in the knees?

Need to work on arming her better....

Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (aQQbl)

171 Antarctica would be good. But, what about the poor penguins? They dint do nothin. Thinkin bout goin to kollige. Posted by: chavez the hugo We say no!

Posted by: Tennessee Tuxedo at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (FkBIv)

172

You have to worry that people will come to the island and help them escape.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

.................

 

Not if you send James Taylor with them.

Posted by: wth at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (HgMAr)

173 is dual citizenship an absolute disqualifier for security clearance? Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:46 PM (vb33c) Yes...if they know about it Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 04:46 PM (DUoqb) heh well if they find out they should get some time in the slammer.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:47 AM (vb33c)

174 Reap what you sow. Anyway, what's a couple of hundred murdered and badly maimed French men, women and children compared to the feel-good, politically correct and fraudulent utopian fallacy that Muslims are "just like us

Posted by: Marcus T at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (390ue)

175 I think we should do that here under the Treason and Sedition Act.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (MSiSP)

176 But Ted Cruz can be a US Senator with dual citizenship? Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 04:47 PM (ZoAWs) he is not a Citizen of Canada, but nice try

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (DUoqb)

177 Taleggio is the European version of yoga pants.

Posted by: johnd01 at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (ukNFU)

178 >>You forgot trebuchets. Taleggio is the most aerodynamic of all the Smear Ripened Cheeses.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (MvFEq)

179 >>Dual citizenship is not only a bad idea, but illogical. Yea, particularly when you have to renounce any allegiance to a foreign country as part of the oath of citizenship.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (/tuJf)

180 is dual citizenship an absolute disqualifier for security clearance? Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:46 PM (vb33c) Yes...if they know about it Posted by: Nevergiveup But Ted Cruz can be a US Senator with dual citizenship? Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 04:47 PM (ZoAWs) no exceptions for anyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (vb33c)

181 This is not popular, but making all mohammedans afraid of their own shadows is the only way to stop terrorism.  I don't know how many of them have to die to make that happen, but it needs to be done.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 30, 2016 11:48 AM (Qvgg/)

182 But Ted Cruz can be a US Senator with dual citizenship? Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 04:47 PM (ZoAWs) he is not a Citizen of Canada, but nice try Posted by: Nevergiveup I'm only being facetious, but he was until 2014 while he was a US Senator.

Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 11:49 AM (ZoAWs)

183 Madagascar looks like a fun place. I've seen the movies. I like to move it move it!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at March 30, 2016 11:49 AM (bVtr0)

184 Taleggio is the most aerodynamic of all the Smear Ripened Cheeses. Uhm. Don't you mean aromatic?

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 30, 2016 11:49 AM (6LGZD)

185 132  Islamists use all that against us. To defeat Islam - we're going to have to shit-can our current form of government ...

... and pray, once the Islamist threat is over, that we can reign that new government back in. That trick will probably be much tougher.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 04:40 PM (fiGNd)


No, all we have to do is make a few changes to the Constitution that prevents the courts from running amuck and put some power in the impeachment process.  IOW return it to the people and take it away from congress/

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at March 30, 2016 11:49 AM (vvmPQ)

186 I think it's possible to lose your citizenship here if you serve in another country's military.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 11:49 AM (MSiSP)

187 you have to renounce any allegiance to a foreign country as part of the oath of citizenship. Posted by: JackStraw

--

Apparently, only for the US

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 30, 2016 11:50 AM (Qvgg/)

188 175 I think we should do that here under the Treason and Sedition Act. Only people getting tried for that here are the Vigilantes that arise after the Islamists start the weekly bombings here. And I don't give a damn which party holds the Presidency.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 11:50 AM (fiGNd)

189 Obviously you folks haven't been listening to your betters. Their plan - of love, reason, tolerance, acceptance, jobs - is the way to go and if all of you would just get with the plan, then there would be no need to arrest anyone, never mind imprison or deport them.

Posted by: all doubt removed at March 30, 2016 11:50 AM (KWGc0)

190 Longbows? Why, so AtC can shoot them in the knees?Need to work on arming her better.... Posted by: IP at March 30, 2016 04:47 PM (aQQbl) ---- Yup.... Only way AtC shoots a long bow is by turning it sideways.... ghetto style.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 11:50 AM (8XRCm)

191 For citizens who commit terrorism on behalf of a foreign power:
-- le guillotine.  After that, their citizenship is in Hell anyway.

For non-citizens who commit terrorism of behalf of a foreign power:

-- Deport them back to their country of origin.  By trebuchet.  If you use a big enough trebuchet, you might be able to get them all the way back to Syria with just one or two bounces.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 30, 2016 11:50 AM (iIzG7)

192 "I mean, what are they going to do from the moon, drop rocks on our head?"


Could happen

Posted by: Ghost of Heinlein at March 30, 2016 11:51 AM (QM5S2)

193 >>Uhm. Don't you mean aromatic? Arrowmatic? If Ballista are your bag, sure.

Posted by: garrett at March 30, 2016 11:51 AM (MvFEq)

194 75 Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 04:24 PM (7q2ch) That's cool. We'd take em. They'd go to the front of the line. Refugees of an oppressive state and all. Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 04:29 PM (48QDY) Ugh, please no. And don't give this administration any ideas, please.

Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 11:51 AM (7q2ch)

195 well this is the problem with bringing in all sorts of jihadis in as obama wants, once you give them legal status how do you revoke the legal status, especially citizenship? even worse, what should be done with any spwan they released while they were citizens? it was nearly impossible to get rid of nazi concentration camp guards like demjanjuk and he was a white man, how will we ever get rid of islamists?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (vb33c)

196 No, all we have to do is make a few changes to the Constitution that prevents the courts from running amuck and put some power in the impeachment process. IOW return it to the people and take it away from congress I don't believe that anymore. For every one of you and me, there's an equal and opposite number in San Bernadino. After Secession ... different story.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (fiGNd)

197 Rather than getting in the weeds about what people we allow in from the middle east and what form of Islam they are part of, let's just do a moratorium on ALL immigration for a while. I honestly believe that would solve 90% of our problems with Islamic terrorists.

Posted by: Swingline at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (ZoAWs)

198 Yup.... Only way AtC shoots a long bow is by turning it sideways.... ghetto style. Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 04:50 THREADWINNER! Next!?

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (48QDY)

199 My dad was president of the Taleggio West Homeowners Association.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (8ZskC)

200

I think it's possible to lose your citizenship here if you serve in another country's military.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 04:49 PM (MSiSP)

...................

 

Ha ha ha, you make me laugh.

Posted by: Dr. Hussein - Your Commander-In-Chief!, AA, BFD at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (HgMAr)

201 Only people getting tried for that here are the Vigilantes that arise after the Islamists start the weekly bombings here. And I don't give a damn which party holds the Presidency. True conservatives would never do that! #MomApplePieAmericanWay!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (bVtr0)

202 Australia was a perfect penal colony but

http://tinyurl.com/lgffoba

Obligatory:

Posted by: BigShark[/i][/b][/s] at March 30, 2016 11:52 AM (DL2i+)

203 Yup...Internationalist Socialism will be the death of Liberte as Froggy says... ah well we had a good run, 250ish years ain't bad.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2016 11:53 AM (g8Hfr)

204 You dont lose your citizenship for serving in another nations military. Its not automatic You have to renounce or otherwise express your intent to renounce your citizenship

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:53 AM (zOTsN)

205 Bit of trivia. Robert E Lee didn't have his US citizenship restored until 1975 .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 11:53 AM (MSiSP)

206 Yup.... Only way AtC shoots a long bow is by turning it sideways.... ghetto style. She'd do better with a short bow.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at March 30, 2016 11:53 AM (bVtr0)

207 I think it's possible to lose your citizenship here if you serve in another country's military. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 04:49 PM (MSiSP) ---- Only if you take up arms against this country. Thousands of have Jews served in the IDF. Americans flew for China and Britain in WWII before America entered the war. Hundreds of US citizens currently serve as advisers or mercenary's to foreign governmants.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (8XRCm)

208 6 Posted by: johnd01 at March 30, 2016 04:19 PM (ukNFU) It is better as a threat to prevent people from risking their ability to stay on the welfare teat than an actual punishment. "Prevention" and all that, that said I prefer my terrs like I prefer my ants. Dead

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (g8Hfr)

209 For citizens who commit terrorism on behalf of a foreign power: -- le guillotine. After that, their citizenship is in Hell anyway. For non-citizens who commit terrorism of behalf of a foreign power: -- Deport them back to their country of origin. By trebuchet. If you use a big enough trebuchet, you might be able to get them all the way back to Syria with just one or two bounces. Posted by: Qoheleth at March 30, 2016 04:50 PM (iIzG7) meh, non-stop flight to wherever they came from via c130 cargo door.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (vb33c)

210 Current US law says that foreign military service will result in loss of US citizenship if the person served as an officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) or the foreign military force is engaged in hostilities against the US; the service was voluntary; and (most importantly) the person intended to give up his US citizenship. Current US policy goes further. Unless a dual citizen is serving in a "policy level position" in a foreign government, commits treason against the US (e.g., by fighting the US voluntarily during wartime), or acts in a manner considered totally inconsistent with any possible intent to keep US citizenship, the State Department is unlikely to take any action. Further, the current policy statement on foreign military service recognizes that dual citizens sometimes find themselves legally obligated to participate in the military forces of their other country of citizenship, and can do so in such situations without endangering their US status.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (zOTsN)

211 201 Only people getting tried for that here are the Vigilantes that arise after the Islamists start the weekly bombings here. And I don't give a damn which party holds the Presidency. True conservatives would never do that! #MomApplePieAmericanWay! Posted by: rickb223 at March 30, 2016 04:52 PM (bVtr0) And the only person executed for terrorism was... Timothy McVeigh. Now, he absolutely deserved it. But so did a bunch of other people, who still draw breathe.

Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (7q2ch)

212 Threaten to kill one and bury him in a "peau de couchon". Word will spread! (I saw that trick in a movie.)

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at March 30, 2016 11:54 AM (5csB/)

213 France should just build a couple dirt patch islands in the middle of the ocean Pick a spot and eventually, as you bring in more and more terrorists, an island will form.

Posted by: t-bird at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (OLNwX)

214 204 You dont lose your citizenship for serving in another nations military. Its not automatic You have to renounce or otherwise express your intent to renounce your citizenship Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 04:53 PM (zOTsN) Not necessary to renounce it. We just don't enforce it. Mostly against those that join the Israeli military.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (MSiSP)

215 Now, he absolutely deserved it. But so did a bunch of other people, who still draw breathe. Glad to see I'm not the only one who ever noticed that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (fiGNd)

216 Funny, Europe didn't have much trouble going down a slippery slope when they thought Jews were the troublemakers. Pogroms and auto de fe, oh my!

But when poor aggrieved brown people are killing Europeans by the truckload, they must be handled with kid gloves.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (4/i9Y)

217 205 Bit of trivia. Robert E Lee didn't have his US citizenship restored until 1975 . Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 04:53 PM (MSiSP Yet some of us still honor his dual citizenship.

Posted by: Golfman at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (48QDY)

218 ThunderB are you, per chance, an immigration lawyer?

Posted by: Moki at March 30, 2016 11:55 AM (7q2ch)

219 As long as its the site where they do the nuke tests

That's what the world needs a 50 foot radioactive jihadi.  Pretty cruel thing to do to the goats.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 30, 2016 11:56 AM (DL2i+)

220 Now, he absolutely deserved it. But so did a bunch of other people, who still draw breathe.

___

Guilty as sin, free as a bird

Posted by: Bill Ayers at March 30, 2016 11:56 AM (X7E8f)

221 I don't think all the muslims will fit on Elba - I'm not saying nobody would get their asses wet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 30, 2016 11:56 AM (Nwg0u)

222 Screw the lot of you. I don't roll like that.

Posted by: Elba at March 30, 2016 11:57 AM (fiGNd)

223 It was just a show debate until the whole thing blew over.

Le Theatre Failure

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 30, 2016 11:57 AM (DL2i+)

224 Able was I, ere I got elbow-dicked.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 30, 2016 11:57 AM (8ZskC)

225 "meh, non-stop flight to wherever they came from via c130 cargo door."

I was just thinking of, you know, protecting the environment, not burning fossil fuels, and apropos of nothing, it would be funny as heck to watch.  Like something out of a Roadrunner versus Coyote cartoon.

But there is a certain entertainment value to your idea as well.  I trust you weren't planning on the added cost of a parachute...

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 30, 2016 11:57 AM (iIzG7)

226 Current US law says that foreign military service will result in loss of US citizenship if the person served as an officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) or the foreign military force is engaged in hostilities against the US; the service was voluntary; and (most importantly) the person intended to give up his US citizenship. Current US policy goes further. Unless a dual citizen is serving in a "policy level position" in a foreign government, commits treason against the US (e.g., by fighting the US voluntarily during wartime), or acts in a manner considered totally inconsistent with any possible intent to keep US citizenship, the State Department is unlikely to take any action. Further, the current policy statement on foreign military service recognizes that dual citizens sometimes find themselves legally obligated to participate in the military forces of their other country of citizenship, and can do so in such situations without endangering their US status. Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 04:54 PM (zOTsN) so then anyone supporting alqaeda or isis should lose their citizenship including that lindh guy.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 11:58 AM (vb33c)

227 I'll admit I don't know what the revision included, but it was obviously a knee jerk reaction to the terrorist attacks - much like the (very) brief bombing campaign. Give it a couple months and then people forget. It's the cycle we're in. At this point, I'm afraid the world has decided to just live with occasional terrorist acts instead of aggresively confronting it head on. If there's a threshold that will change the majority of the worlds opinion, I'm afraid to see what it would be.

Posted by: Community Organizer at March 30, 2016 11:59 AM (9VLhN)

228 And then there is Private Slovak.... I mean .... Sgt Berghdahl.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 11:59 AM (8XRCm)

229 So Ace, On the one hand you want France to get rid of muslim scum terrorists. But yet you go apeshit when Trump suggests...errr....not allowing muslim scum terrorists into the country. Interesting.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 30, 2016 11:59 AM (0LHZx)

230 so then anyone supporting alqaeda or isis should lose their citizenship including that lindh guy. Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:58 PM (vb33c) Only after we shoot them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 11:59 AM (DUoqb)

231 so then anyone supporting alqaeda or isis should lose their citizenship including that lindh guy. Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:58 PM (vb33c) *** Ahh, but a slippery fellow might argue that as AQ and ISIS are not states, and as the laws stipulate actions involving states, their 'service' to these orgs would not constitute a violation of applicable statutes and acts.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at March 30, 2016 12:00 PM (lutOX)

232 @195: "it was nearly impossible to get rid of nazi concentration camp guards like demjanjuk and he was a white man"

Part of the problem there was that people seeking to prosecute him kept lying about/misstating who he was supposed to be.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 12:00 PM (rznWS)

233 prosecute, in France? Just let the DSGE loose. Posted by: Jean at March 30, 2016 04:43 PM (cXiMR) Put 'em on boats, call them Rainbow Warrior III, IV etc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 30, 2016 12:00 PM (ur5uN)

234 so then anyone supporting alqaeda or isis should lose their citizenship including that lindh guy. Posted by: yankeefifth at March 30, 2016 04:58 PM (vb33c) Only after we shoot them Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 30, 2016 04:59 PM (DUoqb) ----- With bacon grease filled hollowpoints

Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 12:00 PM (8XRCm)

235 At this point, I'm afraid the world has decided to just live with occasional terrorist acts instead of aggresively confronting it head on. If there's a threshold that will change the majority of the worlds opinion, I'm afraid to see what it would be. Daily or weekly.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at March 30, 2016 12:00 PM (bVtr0)

236 "so then anyone supporting alqaeda or isis should lose their citizenship including that lindh guy."

Oh, heavens, no!  They can still keep their citizenship and their passports, after the hanging.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 30, 2016 12:01 PM (iIzG7)

237 Nood of female black college student

Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2016 12:01 PM (fizMZ)

238 210 Posted by: ThunderB at March 30, 2016 04:54 PM (zOTsN) Cute "law" who will enforce it? //H Rodham Klinton

Posted by: sven10077 at March 30, 2016 12:01 PM (g8Hfr)

239 Daily or weekly. Posted by: rickb223 at March 30, 2016 05:00 PM (bVtr0) - - - - I suspect that's what it would take.

Posted by: Community Organizer at March 30, 2016 12:01 PM (9VLhN)

240 Taliban John will be out of prison in a few years. Didnt think I would be alive to see it. He is housed in what they call a communication unit, i.e., restricted communication, so they still see him as a threat. When he gets out, will he go on the tour telling all the lefties how mean we were to him? Will he flee back to a third world hell hole? Will he throw his gay father off a tall building?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 30, 2016 12:01 PM (iQIUe)

241 Ahh, but a slippery fellow might argue that as AQ and ISIS are not states, Then they are shot where they sit in the courtroom. Geneva Convention not applicable.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at March 30, 2016 12:02 PM (bVtr0)

242 Didn't Dale Earnhardt win the Taleggio 500 a few times?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 12:02 PM (rznWS)

243 we need a new dr. strangelove is what i'm thinking. that would fix shit big time.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 12:02 PM (ucDmr)

244 Breitbart has an interesting article up. An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right It's by Allum Bokhari & Milo Yiannopoulos. They go through various factions of the alt-right. I had to laugh out loud when they got to the last one. THE '1488rs' Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the "1488ers," and for all their talk of there being "no enemies to the right," it's clear from the many conversations we've had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn't exist. These are the people that the alt-right's opponents wish constituted the entire movement. They're less concerned with the welfare of their own tribe than their fantasies of destroying others. 1488ers would likely denounce this article as the product of a degenerate homosexual and an ethnic mongrel. Too true. http://tinyurl.com/jkh3nbg h/t: Vox Day

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 12:02 PM (R+30W)

245 "it was nearly impossible to get rid of nazi concentration camp guards like demjanjuk and he was a white man" Part of the problem there was that people seeking to prosecute him kept lying about/misstating who he was supposed to be. - I'm not sure he was who they said he was, either time. Got to give the Israeli court credit for doing justice in a tough case.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 30, 2016 12:03 PM (Nwg0u)

246 242: Yes he did. I saw them.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 30, 2016 12:04 PM (ucDmr)

247 @207: "Americans flew for China and Britain in WWII before America entered the war."

The ones in China specifically flew as mercenaries

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 12:04 PM (rznWS)

248 I saw Frank "Stinky Cheese" Taleggio batting leadoff for the Toledo Mud Hens at Pez Field in '92

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, not clear on the meme concept at March 30, 2016 12:11 PM (NeFrd)

249 @245: "I'm not sure he was who they said he was, either time. Got to give the Israeli court credit for doing justice in a tough case."

The first go-round he was presented as being "Ivan the Terrible" from the Treblinka camp, until some serious witness credibility issues on that exact issue came to light.  The whole thing was a mess throughout.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 30, 2016 12:12 PM (rznWS)

250 247 @207: "Americans flew for China and Britain in WWII before America entered the war." The ones in China specifically flew as mercenaries And the units in Britain also flew as American volunteers .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 30, 2016 12:12 PM (MSiSP)

251 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 30, 2016 05:02 PM (R+30W) That was a great read. Thank you.

Posted by: Elba at March 30, 2016 12:16 PM (fiGNd)

252 There are some rather barren islands around Cape Horn that'd be perfect for these purposes. Drop 'em off with only food, water and one sword each. Come back next year, gather up the surplus swords, and bring in the next batch. Given the distance and treacherous sea conditions around the Cape, I rather doubt that ol' Achmed is going to find many of his brothers coming on a mission of mercy. The cold, the wind and the lack of resources is perfect for 'em. One sword each as their only tool, and they have to use it as a hammer, saw, girder, whatever. Or, they'll use it to compete against their fellow castaways for food or other advantage. Or, does Ollie Snackbar condone cannibalism? Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 30, 2016 12:17 PM (McRlu)

253 Australia was a perfect penal colony but ****** Dingo ate mah terrorist!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, not clear on the meme concept at March 30, 2016 12:22 PM (NeFrd)

254 Yup.... Only way AtC shoots a long bow is by turning it sideways.... ghetto style. Posted by: fixerupper at March 30, 2016 04:50 PM

Yeah...go ahead and laugh...

Posted by: The Thread[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 30, 2016 12:28 PM (bzd8I)

255 Francois Hollande is a small man: http://tinyurl.com/htzsx98

Posted by: G6loq at March 30, 2016 12:33 PM (zj+JZ)

256 Given how often leftwingers of all stripes call rightwingers terrorists, this is almost certainly a good thing.

Posted by: JT at March 30, 2016 12:35 PM (CZaQB)

257 Who gives a shit what the citizenship is of a dead or life imprisoned terrorist ?

Posted by: G.Gordon Liddy at March 30, 2016 04:22 PM (k9nOA)

258 Aloha snackbar

Posted by: torabora at March 30, 2016 04:33 PM (D+Ot2)

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