May 31, 2008
— DrewM ICKES: CLINTON RESERVES RIGHT TO TAKE MICHIGAN DELEGATE PLAN TO CONVENTION IN DENVER.
The Democrats have apparently cut some deals on these two delegations.
The deal reached, NBC NEWS has learned, is a 69-59 split with half votes in Michigan. Obama will be guaranteed the two add-on superdelegates. NBC NEWS has not confirmed if the superdelegates will get half or full votes.
Florida will be split by the primary vote and votes will count for half.
This doesnt give Clinton anything near enough delegates to matter. The real question is if they only give Michigan half votes, will she or Sen. Levin take the fight to the credentials committee in Denver? Or will enough superdelegates announce for Obama to make it moot?
Either way, it just shows that the Democrats cant even keep their own party in order, yet they think they can run the government.
Amusing note...after a motion to seat the full Florida delegation failed a bunch in the crowd, presumably Clinton supporters, started changing "Denver! Denver! Denver! and booed the mention of Obama's name.
Update: The Florida plan for a full delegation with half votes passed unanimously and that will be the media storyline. The reality is the full delegation with full votes failed 12 in favor and 15 opposed. Don't buy the united party spin.
Update Part II: Ickes is going off on the Michigan plan. He says they are 'hijacking' four Clinton delegates and that it is an anti-democratic decision and that they are 'overturning' the election and will of the Democrats of Michigan.
More Ickes, taking 4 delegates from Clinton is no way to start down the road to party unity.
I think they are going to take it to Denver. Please let them do it.
DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!
My guess is the shouting at the meeting actually helps Obama. I think a lot of supers will want to avoid an even bigger spectacle at the national convention. To make sure that doesn't happen, they'll push him over the top ASAP.
I cannot possibly eat any more popcorn.
Anyone got ideas for an alternate choice?
Posted by: Aye Chihuahua at May 31, 2008 01:43 PM (5rSYM)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 01:51 PM (v0dke)
Posted by: akornzombie at May 31, 2008 01:54 PM (8m3LS)
Posted by: Project for the New American Century at May 31, 2008 01:56 PM (CrO2/)
I think somebody should have started the chant, "Nobody puts baby in a corner!"
Posted by: sweet dancing moses at May 31, 2008 01:57 PM (gcFx3)
Posted by: republicangirl at May 31, 2008 01:58 PM (d20qX)
Denver is his Waterloo!
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 01:58 PM (WWkFI)
If Maverick is smart (okay, hanging curve ball--TAKE A PITCH FOR ONCE), he'll let Michigan stew for as long as possible and then pick Romney for #2.
Game. Set. Match.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 31, 2008 02:00 PM (V7AOU)
Posted by: someone at May 31, 2008 02:02 PM (2z2WN)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 02:02 PM (v0dke)
Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 02:02 PM (WZTMv)
Posted by: Laura at May 31, 2008 02:04 PM (8qMVk)
Posted by: Gabriel at May 31, 2008 02:05 PM (1Ug6U)
This is nothing but a back room deal among DNC elites. The voters in Florida and Michigan are still getting a royal screwing.
Posted by: Saul Goode at May 31, 2008 02:08 PM (0XpI7)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 02:10 PM (v0dke)
Posted by: Gabriel at May 31, 2008 02:11 PM (1Ug6U)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 02:13 PM (v0dke)
Montana and South Dakota are last.
Posted by: Gabriel at May 31, 2008 02:13 PM (1Ug6U)
Please God please, I know the season is over but please let let there be a convention special of South Park where the boys go to Denver for the convention. Please!
Posted by: Rocks at May 31, 2008 02:15 PM (7rbe9)
Posted by: alycan at May 31, 2008 02:18 PM (Il2Ep)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 31, 2008 02:20 PM (yKHMC)
That is not a skill, it is a gift.
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 02:22 PM (WWkFI)
Posted by: Schadenfreude at May 31, 2008 02:25 PM (Uy68a)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 31, 2008 02:27 PM (c55NW)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 02:30 PM (v0dke)
Like someone said eariler...a royal screwing. If they are willing to do this to their own, think about what they'll do to rest of the country. How do you say, "Yes Mr. President" in Arabic? I want to get a head start.
Posted by: sweet dancing moses at May 31, 2008 02:31 PM (gcFx3)
I hope Team Hillary removes the odd decimal or two and cuts an ocassional wire... just to be sure.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2008 02:35 PM (Uy68a)
What's with this 1/2 vote shit? That sounds suspiciously like "disenfranchisement".
It reminds me a lot more of a previous Democratic Party solution to a sticky problem involving 3/5ths....
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2008 02:36 PM (7QZfU)
Posted by: Lee at May 31, 2008 02:36 PM (+kJAy)
Posted by: Lee at May 31, 2008 02:37 PM (+kJAy)
I agree, you would think that the Democrats would at least give them 3/5ths of a vote.
Posted by: Rocks at May 31, 2008 02:40 PM (7rbe9)
So, does this mean that Floridians and Michiganders are officially the "little people" of the Democrat(sic) party?
Posted by: Barker at May 31, 2008 02:40 PM (U9ynv)
Posted by: Jabba du Hut at May 31, 2008 02:44 PM (WWkFI)
Posted by: Sweetie at May 31, 2008 03:03 PM (Y+3hV)
Can you imagine the field day the msm would have reporting on that if that were Republicans? And these are the people who call conservatives "mean-spirited" and "hateful." The older I get, the more I realize liberalism should simply be called "self-projectionism."
Posted by: DCox at May 31, 2008 03:11 PM (2pT9a)
They count all the pregnant chads.
Posted by: lmg at May 31, 2008 03:11 PM (hEMOH)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 31, 2008 03:13 PM (ZqWZU)
Spicy pork rinds and PBR!
Posted by: Stymie the bus driver at May 31, 2008 03:19 PM (gjLdu)
Posted by: Tinian at May 31, 2008 03:23 PM (1Mq7K)
That's where Barry comes from. Clearly, he feels that a mere detail like the number of ballots cast is no reason to deny his genius its right place in the halls of power.
But what does a Typical White Person® like myself know?
Posted by: Brown Line at May 31, 2008 03:28 PM (WXQ4x)
Posted by: Americano at May 31, 2008 03:41 PM (MHmUX)
Though I don't know how they're going to split Helen Thomas that many ways.
Posted by: Eric J at May 31, 2008 03:47 PM (Sg4VS)
Operation Chaos! Operation Chaos!
BTW, does anyone have any news from Puerto Rico yet?
(PS Pixy, what happened to my hash?)
Posted by: Hank Rearden at May 31, 2008 03:55 PM (MNtTt)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2008 04:00 PM (7QZfU)
Keep in mind that the delegates in Denver do *NOT* have to vote for the candidate that their voters voted for. I.e. an Obama delegate can choose to vote for Hillary at the convention.
With all the press about Obama's crazy-ass friends this is possible.
If Hillary stays in the race to Denver then it's possible that defectors will vote for her and she'll actually win.
What a crazy election year.
Posted by: memomachine at May 31, 2008 04:02 PM (XlmYx)
The politicians in Michigan knew exactly what they were getting into. The governor (didn't vote for her) and her cadre of Washington minions (didn't vote for them either) decided to move up the primary without any input from their constituents- to make Michigan more "relevant." The only thing they did accomplish was rigging the election for Hillary.
Several Democrats I know voted for Romney in the primary, as per the morons at Kos. Personally, I hope they go bat sh*t crazy in Denver, then come back and vote for McCain.
Posted by: shibumi at May 31, 2008 04:08 PM (tZB/c)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 31, 2008 05:07 PM (c55NW)
Posted by: Purple Avenger
I'll take the fire extinguisher stand.
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 05:18 PM (WWkFI)
Posted by: someone at May 31, 2008 05:22 PM (2z2WN)
Posted by: Al at May 31, 2008 05:56 PM (Lk931)
Well, I figure when a Molotov hits the Clinton section, they'll need an extinguisher. Same deal when a Molotov hits Obama's turf.
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 06:30 PM (WWkFI)
At least the founders counted slaves as 3/5...
Posted by: Jeremiadbullfron at May 31, 2008 06:42 PM (TiNT3)
Posted by: Scrapiron at May 31, 2008 07:19 PM (XWJh5)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 31, 2008 09:53 PM (AS2IX)
Let's be fair to the Democrats. As Howard Dean screamed, Michigan and Florida broke the rules, and they shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the rules.
Of course, if the Democrats were logical and consistent (Pause for laughter), that would mean they'd have to change their position on illegal immigration.
Posted by: Ted K. at June 01, 2008 01:47 AM (d/Awn)
Unity via half-sizing the American vote.
Thanks for clearing up the change, Berry.
The DNC will make Lilliputians of Americans.
Surgically excise the opposition. The Berry diet.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 01, 2008 02:36 AM (1cbR0)
As Howard Dean screamed, Michigan and Florida broke the rules, and they shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the rules. Of course, if the Democrats were logical and consistent (Pause for laughter), that would mean they'd have to change their position on illegal immigration.--Ted K.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 01, 2008 02:39 AM (1cbR0)
Posted by: Sean at June 01, 2008 05:01 AM (a7Ol6)
Posted by: JavaJoe at June 01, 2008 05:09 AM (Am6n/)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 01, 2008 05:48 AM (7QZfU)
A lot of them only have half a brain, so that's OK.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 01, 2008 05:55 AM (c55NW)
A priest, a minister and a rabbi walk into a bar, and the bartender says, "what is this, some kind of joke?"
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