March 30, 2008

Flashback: Obama 1995 [Nice Deb]
— Open Blog

I was doing some googling to see if I could find some info on Obama and the Million Man March he reportedly marched in and helped organize, and I found this interview of Obama in the Chicago Reader from December 1995, after he (yes!) attended the march. What stands out to me is his unapologetic love affair with collectivism. I guess that’s not surprising for a Democrat, but still…..wow!
Here are some highlights:


John Wayne = Typical white guy:

“In America,” Obama says, “we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.”

Organize and mobilize more black churches:

In an interview after the class, Obama again spoke of the need to organize and mobilize the economic power and moral fervor of black churches. He also argued that as a state senator he might help bring this about faster than as a community organizer or civil rights lawyer.

The Christian right: intolerant, narrow-minded, falsely nostalgic:

“The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it’s always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.

It’s society’s job to teach children about the left’s version of morality:

“Now we have to take this same language–these same values that are encouraged within our families–of looking out for one another, of sharing, of sacrificing for each other–and apply them to a larger society. Let’s talk about creating a society, not just individual families, based on these values. Right now we have a society that talks about the irresponsibility of teens getting pregnant, not the irresponsibility of a society that fails to educate them to aspire for more.”

Obama goes to the Million Man March:

Obama took time off from attending campaign coffees to attend October’s Million Man March in Washington, D.C. His experiences there only reinforced his reasons for jumping into politics.

“What I saw was a powerful demonstration of an impulse and need for African-American men to come together to recognize each other and affirm our rightful place in the society,” he said. “There was a profound sense that African-American men were ready to make a commitment to bring about change in our communities and lives.

“But what was lacking among march organizers was a positive agenda, a coherent agenda for change. Without this agenda a lot of this energy is going to dissipate. Just as holding hands and singing ‘We shall overcome’ is not going to do it, exhorting youth to have pride in their race, give up drugs and crime, is not going to do it if we can’t find jobs and futures for the 50 percent of black youth who are unemployed, underemployed, and full of bitterness and rage.

“Exhortations are not enough, nor are the notions that we can create a black economy within America that is hermetically sealed from the rest of the economy and seriously tackle the major issues confronting us,” Obama said.

Oh, here it comes…the “mean, cruel” Republicans:

We must deal with the forces that are depressing wages, lopping off people’s benefits right and left, and creating an earnings gap between CEOs and the lowest-paid worker that has risen in the last 20 years from a ratio of 10 to 1 to one of better than 100 to 1.

“This doesn’t suggest that the need to look inward emphasized by the march isn’t important, and that these African-American tribal affinities aren’t legitimate. These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.”

White America doesn’t care? Does he still feel this way 12 years later?

Cross posted at Nice Deb


UPDATE:

One thing that seemed positive (to me) about the Million Man March was that it asked men to take a pledge to eschew the sorts of pathologies that often plague black communities. (Click here for a Youtube video of Pledge).

But that seems to have left Obama cold:

“exhorting youth to have pride in their race, give up drugs and crime, is not going to do it” …

It appears that Obama’s main criticism of the Million Man March was that it didn’t offer the types of collectivist solutions “for change” that he was so into, (and still is).


Posted by: Open Blog at 03:07 PM | Comments (89)
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1 We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.”

Oh, that sure is some commie talk.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at March 30, 2008 03:15 PM (yX30S)

2 And yet there's millions of weak, pathetic white people full of self hate who will eagerly vote for him. Bush just threw out the opening pitch for the Washington Nationals opener and got booed. One more reason to enjoy watching their worthless team get the shit knocked out of them this year.

Posted by: cruzer at March 30, 2008 03:19 PM (MoSub)

3 How dare you use his words against him!

Posted by: carin at March 30, 2008 03:23 PM (s1XiY)

4 And the following is such a bit of meaningless gobbilty-gook: rically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about What does that actually MEAN?

Posted by: carin at March 30, 2008 03:24 PM (s1XiY)

5 These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality

I thought locking them up meant taking prisoners. I'm confused.

Posted by: Cadillac Short at March 30, 2008 03:24 PM (mk9wH)

6 Cadillac -You would think that, hater!

Posted by: carin at March 30, 2008 03:24 PM (s1XiY)

7 I found his interest in "mobilizing" black churches somewhat telling.

Posted by: Nice Deb at March 30, 2008 03:25 PM (i4H5i)

8

Does this guy talk some shit or what?

THe fact that hes even in the running speaks volumes for the state of the Dem party and to some degree the state of the country

I will continue to wait for the day we get an African American running for President who isnt a flaming fucking asshole

Posted by: TMF at March 30, 2008 03:27 PM (/YM8H)

9

...and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.

Especially when they're caused by the very community that those problems are effecting.

"Help!  Help!  I'm being oppressed!"

At least with Eric Idle it was parody. 

Here the Obamessiah is saying that "typical white people" should fixed the problems caused by his kith and kin because....well....he never really gets there does he?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:30 PM (VlQU/)

10

I'm gonna get flayed for this, but here goes:

 

I didn't think it was all that bad. Playing to the audience, sure. But I didn't hear him call for the black man rise up, overthrow the white capitalist patriarchy and institute the Peoples Republic either.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:31 PM (E5mM5)

11 'Scuse the typos.  I'm pissed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:31 PM (VlQU/)

12 Nice find, whore.

Um. Deb.

I'm going to have a hard time forgetting that. Probably because I really don't want to.

Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 03:34 PM (rZa+A)

13

I will continue to wait for the day we get an African American running for President who isnt a flaming fucking asshole

Amen.

Dennis Palmer for President!

 

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:36 PM (VlQU/)

14 Yeah, Krakatoa, methinks that slip might come back from time to time.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:37 PM (E5mM5)

15

DAVID Palmer.  See?  I told you I was pissed.

Of course...Dennis Haysbert for Pres might be OK too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:37 PM (VlQU/)

16 Seriously, this is a much better post than the one I was going to do about the "Fallen Muslim" who found success as a £130-an-hour prostitute.

Now if only we had someone running against Obama that I could vote for...

Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 03:39 PM (rZa+A)

17

O/T-SSG Matt Maupin's remains have been found in Iraq.

Via LGF http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29444&only&rss

Posted by: CavMedic at March 30, 2008 03:39 PM (rYFmu)

18

K,

I looked at the pics- which one was the girl?

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:40 PM (E5mM5)

19  OT and possible flamebait: Godfather, Part II (the best Godfather film) just started on AMC.

Posted by: Gabriel at March 30, 2008 03:41 PM (1Ug6U)

20 I didn't think it was all that bad.

Really?

I thought it was pretty divisive. And all the collectivist commie talk....come on!

Posted by: Nice Deb at March 30, 2008 03:43 PM (i4H5i)

21

"Lawyer, teacher, philanthropist, and author Barack Obama doesn't need another career."

 

Philanthropist?  Yeah right. Donating less than 1% of your annual income doesn't quite make you one. There's a word for that, tightwad.

Posted by: Bullwinkle at March 30, 2008 03:44 PM (tq6GW)

22 Ooooh! That reminds me! Jane Austin's Sense and Sensibility is on PBS at 8:00.

Posted by: Nice Deb at March 30, 2008 03:44 PM (i4H5i)

23

Nice Deb, if this hadn't come on the heels of the Rev. Wright stuff, it wouldn't hit the sidebar. I'm not saying he's a closet conservative. It is part of a pattern, but it isn't very incendiary. Certainly not beyond what many Democrats would call for or have called for repeatedly. Just politics as usual.

Let's save our outrage for the outrageous.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:46 PM (E5mM5)

24 Xbrad -- Yeah... as a 13 year old she was fairly androgynous. I tried in vain to find a more recent pic.

But I dig her style -- it's direct, and to the point.

...Miss Yusof stripped naked and gyrated on a bed as she reeled off her list of services.

Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 03:47 PM (rZa+A)

25

Nice Deb, my sister is the former National Secretary of the Jane Austen Society of North America.

Still never saw a movie or read a book.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:47 PM (E5mM5)

26 But I didn't hear him call for the black man rise up, overthrow the white capitalist patriarchy and institute the Peoples Republic either.

Well, when you associate yourself with Farrakahn, it's implied,so you don't have to say it.

Posted by: cruzer at March 30, 2008 03:48 PM (MoSub)

27 The man has no faith in the individual.  He is full of mushy ideas about collective action and shared values. 

He's a bullshit artist and a socialistic lefty.  His reflex is to turn to the government for cures and to divide people by creating victim classes and oppressor classes. 

Lowering taxes to increase economic growth and produce jobs is a crazy idea to him.
Giving poor kids a chance to attend better schools by breaking the public school monopoly? Heck no! Totally nuts!

Everything he wants to do will make things enormously worse, but he is way too stupid and bigoted and rigid to ever see that.

Posted by: eman at March 30, 2008 03:48 PM (0AZ4a)

28

But Obama is outrageous!

He's outrageously chocolatey good!

Just like M&Ms

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:49 PM (VlQU/)

29

Krak,

 

Oops, didn't read the article. Feel pretty pervy now. I guess I should RTWFT.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 03:49 PM (E5mM5)

30 Read Pride And Prejudice, XBradTC, you'll love it.

Posted by: Nice Deb at March 30, 2008 03:50 PM (i4H5i)

31 No, XBradTC, you should not be flayed, because sadly Obabble's inner, true inclinations have been plain to see for weeks now. In fact, for years, if one had been following him closely. I would, however, love to see him cross-examined about the statement "that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.” Do you still feel that way, Senator Obabble? Did you feel the ruling class of white liberals running the White House in 1995 really couldn't care less about black Americans? Did that include Hillary? Did the white Democratic voter in 1995 have nothing but indifference with respect to black Americans? Are all right-wing Christians still narrow-minded? How has the mainstream rebuffed you, Senator, given your meteoric rise in politics, you privileged background in academia and your lucrative book sales? Would you like to say something direct and unambiguous for a change, right here and now in 2008, Senator Obabble?

Posted by: FaradayCage at March 30, 2008 03:50 PM (rf5CF)

32 And back on topic, I think it's a good find. There was some question whether Obama actually did attend the Million Man March I thought, and this clears that up.

Plus, it shows that the thought of black separatism and an embrace of marxist tendencies were certainly a part of his makeup from early in his political career.

Posted by: krakatoa at March 30, 2008 03:51 PM (rZa+A)

33 I didn't think it was all that bad. Playing to the audience, sure. But I didn't hear him call for the black man rise up, overthrow the white capitalist patriarchy and institute the Peoples Republic either. This confirms what we knew about Barack Boutros-Boutros Obama. He's about as far left as you can go without getting into insane Kos Kidz territory. Alas, that's mainstream enough for swing voters. There's nothing explosive enough here to knock him out.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 30, 2008 03:51 PM (Nldwn)

34 Thanks, Krakatoa.

I'm going to go watch my movie, now.

Posted by: Nice Deb at March 30, 2008 03:55 PM (i4H5i)

35 Nice Deb, if this hadn't come on the heels of the Rev. Wright stuff, it wouldn't hit the sidebar.

But that's the point. The context is that Obama has claimed that he doesn't share Wright's beliefs, but his statements above reveal him as a determined adherent of "Wright Lite." And his speech on racism walked a much more balanced line than the "blame whitey" rhetoric in 1995.

Which is the real Obama? I think we know.

Posted by: geoff at March 30, 2008 03:55 PM (YYa0A)

36
There's always a lot of boobies in Jane Austin flixs.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at March 30, 2008 03:56 PM (yX30S)

37

This confirms what we knew about Barack Boutros-Boutros Obama. He's about as far left as you can go without getting into insane Kos Kidz territory.

No Pete, he's already in that territory.  However us proles hav

Us proles haven't caught on to it because - let's face it - he's articulate as hell.

We're used to Kos Kidz babbling non-sensically and rambling on in endless non sequiturs.  Obama is as smooth as Barry White but without the creativity.  He doesn't have a single idea that hasn't been tried (repeatedly) and failed miserably. 

Maybe that's why he's selling "hope" so hard.  If he's elected it would be the triumph of hope over experience.

Sorta like my second marriage....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 03:58 PM (VlQU/)

38 SSG Matt Maupin's remains have been found in Iraq.

At least the family knows now. Recently, the family was trying to get his plight back in the news. He certainly had an every guy quality about him. RIP Matt.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at March 30, 2008 03:59 PM (yX30S)

39

Geez, I quit, between a balky laptop and the Valu-Rite I can't get a post right the first time without typos.

Maybe Obama can help me with that....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 30, 2008 04:00 PM (VlQU/)

40

OK, I'm not saying sweep it under the rug. I'm not saying don't throw it back into his face via a 527 ad come September. I'm not defending the guy. But this isn't that big a deal.

And, Nice Deb, can't I just watch "Clueless" or "Bridget Jones Diary" instead? I mean, any way you slice it, I'm losing my guy-card. Might as well get to scope out some chicks.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:02 PM (E5mM5)

41 But this isn't that big a deal.

Except in the sense that he had adopted Wright's core values more than a decade ago. His attempts to distance himself from Wright are looking more and more ridiculous.

Posted by: geoff at March 30, 2008 04:20 PM (YYa0A)

42 Brad:  Pride and Prjudice = overflowing giant white breasts. Trust me on it.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at March 30, 2008 04:21 PM (yX30S)

Posted by: ObamasSpiritualadvisor at March 30, 2008 04:26 PM (1XKFd)

44

Geoff et al.

I think I kinda jumped the gun to cut off hysterics. It is an issue, but not one for hyperventaliation. If we go ballistic over everything, what do we do for the truly out of bounds stuff?

However, looking over the comments, no one went ballistic. Guess I'm a moron.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:31 PM (E5mM5)

45

GRC,

Sure, it's got boobs, but what about explosions?

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:32 PM (E5mM5)

46 Okay, mah boy's a lying, two-faced  piece of hypocritical junk. You expected something else? Two decades of solid marxist claptrap swaddled in religion to hide the racist underpinnings...you expected something else?
Mah boy enjoys recalling his days as a race baiting junior senator from the upper midwest, and he lies alot? I taught him that mahself. You were expecting something else?
And now he's dropped all that "baggage" the way Jesse Jackson dropped the inconvenient Reverend from his name when he ran for Prez...You were expecting something else?
He comes from a church, make that "church", that lauds Farrakhan (whiles he denigrates all Christian denominations and churches) and curses whites in general, especially those churches and government, who aren't giving Brudda Wright's crowd they gubmint checks. How naive can you be?
You were expecting something else?
Says hello to Black Nationalism 101. Chicago style.

Posted by: ObamasSpiritualadvisor at March 30, 2008 04:37 PM (1XKFd)

47 GRC, P&P with Kiera Knightley, got it on disc. She's so skinny, I wanna tell her, "Bitch, go get yourself a sammich!"

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:39 PM (E5mM5)

48 And, no booms in Pride and Prejudice, just boobs. And some of that funny way they had of speaking back then, not like the way athletes , rappers and Hollywood types use good English these days. Lots of talking too, not much action. No gun fights. This is literature?
How about Pride and Firepower? The Naked Calendar Years? Jane, some guns, some cleavage and some wholesome exploding things. And more cleavage.
Now that's classical literature.

I'm just saying.

Posted by: ObamasSpiritualadvisor at March 30, 2008 04:46 PM (1XKFd)

49

...that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.”

Sorry, not feeling any guilt here.  One of your family takes a shit on your coffee table, you clean it up Barry.  Or maybe you can just hope they will change.  Alternatively, you can demand that they modify their behavior because it is unacceptable behavior in your home.

Posted by: cranky at March 30, 2008 04:46 PM (tWD2Q)

50 I think I kinda jumped the gun to cut off hysterics.

...shades of the Fitna thread haunt the blog.

Posted by: geoff at March 30, 2008 04:47 PM (YYa0A)

51 Sammich? Classic.

Posted by: ObamasSpiritualadvisor at March 30, 2008 04:47 PM (1XKFd)

52 OSA, I'm glad someone got it.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:54 PM (E5mM5)

53 And yeah, Fitna haunts us. But so many times I've seen right wing blogs (not neccassarily this one) get in a froth over stuff. I was hoping to remind people that perpetual outrage is the province of our political opponents.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 04:56 PM (E5mM5)

54 GRC, P&P with Kiera Knightley, got it on disc.

Wrong version. Try the A&E 1996 film. I think they ditched the cleavage in the new version because Knightely is anorexic.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at March 30, 2008 05:37 PM (yX30S)

55 GRC, Nice Deb told me to READ it. F that. And given my closest family member is an insane Janeite, if I haven't read it/seen it, it's cuz I'm trying not to.

Posted by: XBradTC at March 30, 2008 06:04 PM (E5mM5)

56 There's always a lot of boobies in Jane Austin flixs.

Word, yo.  Usually some sweet corsetry and cameos hanging from velvet chokers, too.  Women dressed as women, it's beautiful.

But the stories still make my soulpatterns and mindthoughts hurt.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at March 30, 2008 06:14 PM (JSO4h)

57 Okay, you've convinced me.  Now I don't like Obama. 
Hey wait!  I already don't like him!

#4 " What does that actually MEAN?"

It means "Come to Trinity United Church and we'll help you nurture your grievance mentality."  Seems obvious enough that even a typical white person should get that.

Geoff #35 "Which is the real Obama? I think we know."

There might not BE a "real Obama." 
There positively is not a "real Clinton."
If there is a "real McCain," I hope they keep him hidden from me until at least November 5th.




Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 06:20 PM (WirW3)

58

White America doesn’t care? Does he still feel this way 12 years later?

He only cares about the "typical white guy" who will vote for him. The rest are racist, bougious, imperialist, dogs who need "re-educated". Camp Tolerance here I come!!!!

Obama-Maud'Dib makes Jimmah Carter almost look compentent,,,,almost.

 

Posted by: Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman at March 30, 2008 07:17 PM (blNMI)

59 I want to see Tianenmen Square. Do they still do that cool show with the tank and that one guy standing against it? That would be so cool. But I do find your tours interesting, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: Ted K. at March 30, 2008 08:45 PM (exWY4)

60 #59
Hey fuck you, fuck your tour, fuck Beijing, and fuck your top ten must see places IN Beijing!  And fuck your dog-fucking Taiwan-threatening Tibetan-suppressing repressive commie government!

And I hope this comment is mystifying to tomorrow's readers because of your spammy-ass little commercial being deleted and your stupid ass being banned.

FOADIAF, Beijing Beeyotch!

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 08:47 PM (WirW3)

61 White America doesn’t care? Does he still feel this way 12 years later?

I, for one, admit that I don't care. But I contend that "not caring" is a fundamental right, apart from being a very long walk away from "white man's greed running a world in need".

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at March 31, 2008 12:47 AM (72nfo)

62 ...that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.”

We been busy.

I'm with geoff; excellent find, Nice Deb. Wow, good stuff.

It doesn't have to be explosive to be important. A hatred-spewing preacher doesn't come along every day. Most evidence against a candidate is going to be in the form of his own words and actions that make people say, "Uh ohhhh...is that commie talk? Is that reparations talk?"

“Exhortations are not enough, nor are the notions that we can create a black economy within America that is hermetically sealed from the rest of the economy and seriously tackle the major issues confronting us,” Obama said.

This was actually a good thing to say, but he undoes it with his collectivist bullshit.

Posted by: lauraw at March 31, 2008 03:05 AM (DbybK)

63

Obama what? McCain has taken away my free speech and voted against tax cuts and has called me a racist.  This post against Obama is just another way for McCaniacs to call me names. 

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