January 30, 2016

Final Iowa Polls Thread
— Ace

Information coming soon.


Write up here.

On the Democrats' side, it's Hilary 45%, Sanders 42%. Too close to call.

However, Ann Selzer (who did the poll) says this is somewhat deceptive, and Hillary is stronger than her three point lead would suggest.

Only one in three likely Democratic voters in the survey are first-time caucus-goers, who break decidedly toward Sanders. That compares with 60 percent in the final pre-caucus survey of 2008, when a wave of young voters and new participants helped Barack Obama overpower Clinton in Iowa.

Sanders needs a surge of new voters to win, I guess.

Where will O'Malley's voters go? Looks like an even split between Sanders and Hillary.


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1 More data!

Posted by: Jill at January 30, 2016 01:47 PM (1+uyO)

2 Final? No Sunday poll results? Snark aside, I can't wait for actual voting, and more importantly for New Hampshire and voting voting. The speculation has gone on for so long.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 30, 2016 01:47 PM (1xUj/)

3 No luck today this ( ) close again

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2016 01:48 PM (hk3Fb)

4 All < 10 should drop out.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at January 30, 2016 01:48 PM (t2KH5)

5 I win!

Posted by: Al Gore at January 30, 2016 01:49 PM (3b9U4)

6 Well I just hope Iowa picks us a good candidate, or is it New Hampshire or South Carolina, maybe best out of three I'm not sure.

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2016 01:50 PM (hk3Fb)

7 I knew it.. as soon as I posted something a nood comes up. Just call me willow2.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2016 01:50 PM (CNHr1)

8 Wham! https://goo.gl/MkDchr

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 01:51 PM (iQIUe)

9 6 Well I just hope Iowa picks us a good candidate, or is it New Hampshire or South Carolina, maybe best out of three I'm not sure.

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2016 06:50 PM (hk3Fb)


With them splitting the delegates the first three are worthless anyway.  Iowa and NH have very few delegates and with SC split it leaves if up to the liberal States to pick our loser this time.

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at January 30, 2016 01:52 PM (t2KH5)

10 Jebba the Bush gonna rock da house, yo!

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (mR7Es)

11 Bush - 2 Not Sure - 2 Money well spent.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (/tuJf)

12 Iowa and NH have very few delegates and with SC split it leaves if up to the liberal States to pick our loser this time. Posted by: Vic-we have no party Ready for an act of love?

Posted by: El Jefe HEB Boosh at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (Pwh6H)

13 4-They should, but for whatever reason, Jeb! and Huckabee still keep at it. How do they have the money to waste on this stuff?

Posted by: Moki at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (7q2ch)

14 lol Jack Straw.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (CNHr1)

15 So who cares most, who has the GOTV ability? 

Even Cavuto seems to be pumping Rubio, saying Trump and Cruz might argue, and Rubio runs up the middle, whatever the hell that means.

Levin says Trump move is not about FOX and their pro amnesty push, but only that Trump didn't want to be the target when he already has the lead.  I'd say it could be both.

And Cruz put out some weird flyer that Iowa officials and Rand Paul were slamming him for.  Flyer said government grades their voting or something.  Pretty weird, or desperate, or illegal.

 Passion is with Trump, ground team with Cruz ... or that seems to be the common wisdom.  But could swing ten points either way, if one of those is really right and one wrong.  May the best man (for the country) win.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 30, 2016 01:53 PM (5Gpe2)

16 I like that Not Sure guy. He's smart, probably has electrolytes !

Posted by: sock_rat_brawndo at January 30, 2016 01:54 PM (Z8DIA)

17 You do all realize that if Trump wins the presidency, it is conceivable that down the road we will have an aircraft carrier named the USS Donald Trump, right? And if Hillary wins, it is an inevitability that there would be, in this universe and not the evil Mirror Universe, a USS Hillary Rodham Clinton? So for f*ck's sake get out there and vote!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 01:54 PM (jR7Wy)

18 In another universe Trump never entered the race.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 01:54 PM (mR7Es)

19 I don't know who Jan is, but she seems to be polling pretty well.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 30, 2016 01:55 PM (NA5LM)

20 I knew it.. as soon as I posted something a nood comes up. Just call me willow2.

I saw it jewels45. It caught my eye because my dad loved his bed from hospice too. Air mattress that adjusted it's pressure that you could control.

Posted by: dartist at January 30, 2016 01:55 PM (Nr1E9)

21 I poll well with people who've seen Ass more than 3 times.

Posted by: Not Sure at January 30, 2016 01:56 PM (Pwh6H)

22 17-A carrier named after Trump bothers me far, far less than one named after a person who actively hates the military. To reiterate what All Hail Eris said, for F*CKS sake, get out there and vote!!!!

Posted by: Moki at January 30, 2016 01:56 PM (7q2ch)

23 Thank God I don't live in Iowa any more. I don't think I could stand that much BS, now that I understand politics. Or not. Born in Sioux City, raised in South Sioux City, graduated from Western Iowa Tech, which was a closed down convent back then, unsuitable for a proposed debate by Cruz. Times have changed in the last 45 years! Back then I didn't follow politics at all. Today I do, but I really don't care who wins.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 01:56 PM (DofIg)

24 OK, I read the link. (I know, right?). So they took into consideration who will definitely show, who will probably show, and how the evangelicals were under-weighted last time out. That's all good and sound. The wild card -- I'm hoping -- is the way the caucus process works... oh shit, I'm thinking about how the Dems caucus in Iowa. Where if you don't get 15% your people get jabbered at to come to another team. The Repubs don't do that do they? OK, I'm looking for a plausible non-Trump result. Need some help here.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 30, 2016 01:56 PM (1xUj/)

25 A seven way tie for last including "duh?"

Posted by: Lester at January 30, 2016 01:56 PM (2UPXV)

26 18 In another universe Trump never entered the race. Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 06:54 PM (mR7Es) --- But in the universe one over, Emperor Walker sits atop a pyramid of skulls, drinking blood wine from a skull chalice.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 01:57 PM (jR7Wy)

27 >>You do all realize that if Trump wins the presidency, it is conceivable that down the road we will have an aircraft carrier named the USS Donald Trump, right? In fairness, if we have a President Trump I think it's fair to say pretty much everything will be named Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2016 01:57 PM (/tuJf)

28 I find myself worrying either way.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 01:57 PM (L7t0A)

29 19- Golf clap. Well played, hogmartin, well played.

Posted by: Moki at January 30, 2016 01:57 PM (7q2ch)

30 Jack, we should just call everything Fabulous and yuge

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 01:58 PM (L7t0A)

31 >> 4 All < 10 should drop out. >> Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 30, 2016 06:48 PM You realize you've put yourself in that group? ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 30, 2016 01:58 PM (n4/XQ)

32 Republicans should cross over and vote for Sanders. It won't take much to pout him over the top.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 30, 2016 01:58 PM (goH/2)

33 40% of the GOP respondents were first timers, if that's a factor. https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/693583706687168512

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 30, 2016 01:59 PM (t5zYU)

34 USS TRUMP written in gold dazzle on the side, I dig it.

I rather serve on that than the USS Carter.(pukes at the thought)

Posted by: traye at January 30, 2016 01:59 PM (VxtaD)

35 They keep at it because they live on the money they collect.

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at January 30, 2016 01:59 PM (msVAP)

36 My point is they (MSM) are acting like this or next is the whole ball of wax, then it's all downhill from there

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2016 02:00 PM (hk3Fb)

37 In this Universe we get Trump. We children of a lesser god.

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2016 02:00 PM (qUNWi)

38 This is the first real test GOPe will have of their mission to kill off the Tea Party and Cruz.

Posted by: Eromero at January 30, 2016 02:01 PM (zLDYs)

39 >>15 So who cares most, who has the GOTV ability? Everything I've read suggests Cruz has the best ground game in Iowa. I mean, I'm in the tank for Cruz so you can ignore this, but he's invested a lot of manpower there.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 30, 2016 02:01 PM (t5zYU)

40 Just what we needed. A rubio surge. FML.

Posted by: Memory Hole at January 30, 2016 02:03 PM (3DIzJ)

41 Shrillery's a dead sow waddling if she loses Iowa.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:03 PM (oVJmc)

42 /sock

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 02:03 PM (3DIzJ)

43 In spite of his historicity, I kind of doubt there will be a carrier named for The SCOAMF.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 02:04 PM (jR7Wy)

44 I can't believe Trump is #1!

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:04 PM (sj3Ax)

45 y-not to the gope either vote (trump or cruz) is a big fku to their truancy of the country's stability . ymmv

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 02:05 PM (L7t0A)

46 Hey, Ace! Mr. Bradely Cooper broke up with Irina. He's available. Seriously, it was because she and his mom didnt get along. How gay is that?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:05 PM (iQIUe)

47 Hillary is poll dancing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 02:05 PM (FkBIv)

48 >>Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 07:05 PM Certainly true.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 30, 2016 02:05 PM (t5zYU)

49 In another universe Trump never entered the race.

In another universe, the Rs weren't feckless crapweasels.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:05 PM (oVJmc)

50 Texas is the reddest state & should be first. Last twi Iowa winners lost. Huckabee in 200$ & Santorum in 2012 & they're at or less than 2%.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:07 PM (sj3Ax)

51 I can't believe Trump is #1! Posted by: Carol That's right! Remember folks, 9 out of 10 British housewives can't tell the difference between Presidential candidates and a dead crab.

Posted by: Whizzo Butter at January 30, 2016 02:07 PM (Pwh6H)

52 will gope or their pig swilling throwing advocates learn anything about WHY this is happening? they blew it when we all went in and voted them back to power, They totally blew what they should have used for the good of america

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 02:08 PM (L7t0A)

53 Damn you, Y-not. I've been crying most of the day now... (You know I'm just poking you, right?)

Posted by: Poo Chi at January 30, 2016 02:08 PM (fSuK4)

54 emblazoned on the side:

   USS TRUMP
We Get More Pussy

Somehow that fits with that old WW2 bomber art.


Posted by: Illiniwek at January 30, 2016 02:08 PM (5Gpe2)

55 NY Times endorsed John "mailman's son" Kasich.

Posted by: scrood at January 30, 2016 02:08 PM (3b9U4)

56 9% are uncommitted & could vote Cruz. I'm trying to be optimistic.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:09 PM (sj3Ax)

57 >>And if Hillary wins, it is an inevitability that there would be, in this universe and not the evil Mirror Universe, a USS Hillary Rodham Clinton? So for f*ck's sake get out there and vote! Posted by: All Hail Eris What would they name after her? One of those new clittoral combat ships?

Posted by: Aviator at January 30, 2016 02:09 PM (c7vUv)

58 Dartist.. yes that's what she has.. she's in love! lol!

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2016 02:09 PM (CNHr1)

59 I don't know who Jan is, but she seems to be polling pretty well.

I'm voting for Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:11 PM (oVJmc)

60 of course Iowa polls might indicate death to our candidates. why do they go first again?

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 02:11 PM (L7t0A)

61 >>> NY Times endorsed John "mailman's son" Kasich. *** sigh *** It nevers stops.

Posted by: The Chicken at January 30, 2016 02:12 PM (AfsKp)

62 Selzer is, apparently, the gold standard in Iowa. Should be interesting come Monday night. I don't believe Trump has created much of a ground game in Iowa. But then again, Iowa for Republicans is basically the same as a primary - i.e. write someone's name down and leave.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2016 02:12 PM (UpGcq)

63 NY Times endorsed John "mailman's son" Kasich.

Keep in mind they want the Rs to lose in the general.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:13 PM (oVJmc)

64 As I understand it, Trump and Sanders do well in the random dial polls, but when you get into the polls conducted by actual voter info, Hillary's lead gets much wider and Trump's number get much harder to figure out. So it really comes down to - are all of these random dial voters actually going to vote or not?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 30, 2016 02:13 PM (Wckf4)

65 What would they name after her? One of those new clittoral combat ships? Posted by: Aviator at January 30, 2016 07:09 PM (c7vUv) ***** Nah. Her Thighness would need something that resembles her own equipment. So, probably a Nuc sub.

Posted by: Tim in GA [/i] [/s] [/b] at January 30, 2016 02:13 PM (X+kq/)

66 I have the biggest poll, so I really should win in Iowa, am I right?

Posted by: The Donald at January 30, 2016 02:13 PM (3GFMN)

67 This is turning into a Scary Movie, and I don't think I can watch. Experts everywhere are saying horrible, ugly things, mob like in their intensity. It's starting to frighten an old man.

Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 02:14 PM (gI6EJ)

68 I think the main reason the establishment wants Iowa first is that its a small state that has a caucus.  It's a hurdle of organization.

Of course, it's also not decisive in any way, as we've seen in past elections.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:15 PM (oVJmc)

69 Nah. Her Thighness would need something that resembles her own equipment. So, probably a Nuc sub. Posted by: Tim in GA And those subs go down really quickly, so...fitting.

Posted by: Huma at January 30, 2016 02:15 PM (Pwh6H)

70 In 20 minutes I get to watch the Rockets play again. Uggh.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 02:15 PM (6FqZa)

71 I just don't understand this thing with Bernie at all. He's just not attractive.

Posted by: Hillary! at January 30, 2016 02:16 PM (3GFMN)

72 I mean, I'm in the tank for Cruz so you can ignore this, but he's invested a lot of manpower there. Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 30, 2016 07:01 PM (t5zYU) I __was__ in the tank for him until he pulled that bullshit "voting score" mailer. That's a typical insider politics move. Drudge is worth checking out. DOUBLE RED HEADLINES. Had a siren, but he took it down.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 02:16 PM (DofIg)

73 I have to think in a statistical tie, Sanders wins handily.  His supporters are pretty rabid and pack arenas.  The Clintons can't even fill a Dunkin Donuts

Trump is a big question mark, no idea how organized his ground game is.  If Trump wins iowa with a lot of new voters, I'd say the primary is over and the Trump phenomenon is real and is translating into votes

Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 02:16 PM (HA9zO)

74 43. Carrier named for the SCOAMF Maybe as a black project?

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 30, 2016 02:17 PM (ocw+t)

75 The idea there will be someone who "wins" Iowa is ludicrous. The delegates on both sides are split proportionally. So, Trump gets 8 delegates and Cruz gets 7.. big fucking deal.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2016 02:17 PM (UpGcq)

76 Not Sure: he got a higher IQ than any man alive!

Posted by: Matt_SE at January 30, 2016 02:17 PM (9Fcph)

77 70 In 20 minutes I get to watch the Rockets play again. Uggh. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 07:15 PM (6FqZa) I should know this, but I don't: how did the rockets get so sucky after being so good last year?

Posted by: stace at January 30, 2016 02:18 PM (CoX6k)

78 Oh, and NYT's preference for President should mean about as much as Dabiq's preference for Pope

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 02:18 PM (6FqZa)

79 37 In this Universe we get Trump. We children of a lesser god. Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2016 07:00 PM (qUNWi) At the end of January 2016 you still believe in god. Explain yourself.

Posted by: AD at January 30, 2016 02:20 PM (0A94I)

80 This is our circus and they are our monkeys.

Posted by: ALH at January 30, 2016 02:20 PM (Z56vq)

81 Carrier named for the SCOAMF Maybe as a black project? Posted by: Man from Wazzustan The gangplank would be on the stern, so the seamen could enter from the rear.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at January 30, 2016 02:20 PM (Pwh6H)

82 Final Iowa Polls Thread



Just had to go there , didn't you....

Posted by: Larry Wojieczeckvlski in Des Moines at January 30, 2016 02:20 PM (SVE9e)

83 I ranted right here about the voting score stalkermail two years back, when the GOP pulled that shit in my area. I *was* planning on voting but the stalkermail made me have to think about it. Does that strategy actually work? Like, with real people?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 02:20 PM (6FqZa)

84 WOOOHOOO! NOT SURE!!!! HE'S A FUCKING GREAT GUY!

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 02:21 PM (W0RfD)

85 Trump was my second choice, but after calling Cruz an anchor baby yesterday & all his other childish BS, I won't vote if he's GOP nominee. I live in Massachusetts & my vote doesn't count here anyway.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:21 PM (sj3Ax)

86 Semi-related: Spitzer's foolishness continues as news breaks that he just donated $100k to O'Malley.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2016 02:21 PM (8PbKi)

87 43 In spite of his historicity, I kind of doubt there will be a carrier named for The SCOAMF. Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 07:04 PM (jR7Wy) Well... we have a USS Constitution... Now it will be a Constitution Destroyer?

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 30, 2016 02:22 PM (f7rv6)

88 I sorry I keep derailing serious threads with my mental flotsam and jetsam. I was reading about carriers and thought, sweet smoking Nimitz what if they named one after The Donald? It'd be the biggest, most luxurious, just classy as hell...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 02:23 PM (jR7Wy)

89 Semi-related: Spitzer's foolishness continues as news breaks that he just donated $100k to O'Malley.

Wow.  You know how many whores he could bugger for that?

Three.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:23 PM (oVJmc)

90 stace, Ty Lawson blew up the locker-room early on, for one thing, but also I wonder if *all* the Western teams aren't just scared of the Spurs and Warriors. "Why try harder", some teams might think, "if for reward we get publicly spanked by Steph Curry on prime-time".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 02:23 PM (6FqZa)

91 I had to clear all my history on my iPad an hour ago, but I saw an article on CR that Trump has the most unfavorable ratings of all the candidates.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:24 PM (sj3Ax)

92 January 20, 2017 cannot come soon enough to suit me.

Posted by: ALH at January 30, 2016 02:25 PM (Z56vq)

93 Trump has led for so long, but never broken 40%. I think he's already at his ceiling, and will lose the lead once the also-rans start dropping out. Who among the single-digit candidates' supporters will transfer to Trump? If they liked him, they'd already be in his camp. So even if Cruz doesn't win Iowa, he'll hang on until it's a 3 man race. If Trump still leads then, it'll be all over.

Posted by: Matt_SE at January 30, 2016 02:25 PM (9Fcph)

94 Dartist.. yes that's what she has.. she's in love! lol!

Lol, such a simple thing. Bless your Mom.

Posted by: dartist at January 30, 2016 02:27 PM (Nr1E9)

95 Does that strategy actually work? Like, with real people? Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 07:20 PM (6FqZa) Some "experts" on twitter last night said that it significantly increases turnout because it's aimed at people who rarely vote. They say it worked great for Obama, and there's only thing Obama is good at--getting elected. One guy was saying though, that it works better when it's more subtle. This one is not subtle.

Posted by: stace at January 30, 2016 02:27 PM (CoX6k)

96 http://tinyurl.com/znz6aqg Here is Conservative Review article.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:27 PM (sj3Ax)

97 So even if Cruz doesn't win Iowa, he'll hang on until it's a 3 man race. If Trump still leads then, it'll be all over. Posted by: Matt_SE at January 30, 2016 07:25 PM (9Fcph) If/when that happens, he'll go third party with Bloomberg as his VP selection. This is what happens if you treat him unfairly.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 02:28 PM (DofIg)

98 Sanders has the youth vote and enthusiasm going for him. So did Howard Dean. Remember all the orange wearing Dean Groupies in 2004? How did that turn out?

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 02:29 PM (v0YLX)

99 Oops. I meant Trump. Misread Matt_SE's post.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 02:30 PM (DofIg)

100 Drudge still has siren and DoubleRed Headline. O'Bammy e-mails Hellary on private server! So, he knew! Actually, we all knew he knew, now the question is....... IS HILLARY SAFE BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED?? Tune in again next week, where we answer the question; "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 02:30 PM (kKHcp)

101 YEEEAAGH!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 02:30 PM (6FqZa)

102 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 07:23 PM (6FqZa) Thanks. Yeah, the Spurs are beating everyone by 20 points, except for the Warriors, who beat the Spurs by 30 points. It's almost boring watching the Spurs except when they put in the third string, everyone loves this giant Serbian guy who gets to play then. The crowd chants for him to be put in, and he's actually pretty good. It's a strong bench. Curry is a machine though. He's relentless.

Posted by: stace at January 30, 2016 02:32 PM (CoX6k)

103 O'Bammy e-mails Hellary on private server! So, he knew! Actually, we all knew he knew, now the question is....... IS HILLARY SAFE BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED?? Tune in again next week, where we answer the question; "What difference, at this point, does it make?" Posted by: OneEyedJack "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine" What a ripoff!

Posted by: Ralphie at January 30, 2016 02:32 PM (Pwh6H)

104 602 likely voters. Ta FREGADO cruz.

Posted by: ... at January 30, 2016 02:33 PM (WhBW7)

105 I saw Drudge Siren & read it in the paper on some BS, as usual from SCOAMT.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:33 PM (sj3Ax)

106 Bush/Fiorina/Huck/Kasich/Santorum 2 I have assembled a mighty team which, together, pulls in 2%. I'm thinking of a coalition with "Not Sure" that will double our awesome power!

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 30, 2016 02:33 PM (n22zQ)

107 O'Bammy e-mails Hellary on private server!

Depends on what the definition of 'email' is.



*vomit*

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 02:34 PM (SVE9e)

108 Trump was my second choice, but after calling Cruz an anchor baby yesterday & all his other childish BS, I won't vote if he's GOP nominee.
I live in Massachusetts & my vote doesn't count here anyway.
Posted by: Carol
_______________

Good to see you're not being "childish" about it.  I guess if Trump voters promise to not vote Cruz in the General Election, you won't complain.

Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 02:34 PM (HA9zO)

109 88 I sorry I keep derailing serious threads with my mental flotsam and jetsam. I was reading about carriers and thought, sweet smoking Nimitz what if they named one after The Donald? It'd be the biggest, most luxurious, just classy as hell... Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 07:23 PM (jR7Wy) What would its nickname be?

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 02:34 PM (zt+N6)

110 IS HILLARY SAFE BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED??

Or does the FBI really have any balls after all.

Posted by: dartist at January 30, 2016 02:35 PM (Nr1E9)

111 O read it just like we did, in news reports.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:35 PM (sj3Ax)

112 What would its nickname be? Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 07:34 PM (zt+N6) Well, the Teddy Roosevelt is called the Big Stick. Trumps would naturally be the Big D onald. What else could possibly rhyme?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 02:37 PM (kKHcp)

113 Obammy and Hillary!  More contortions to explain away their crimes than Rosemary Woods did to account for the 18 1/2 minute gap . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 30, 2016 02:38 PM (JO9+V)

114 So this has nothing to do with Trump or Cruz or Rubio. But my friend just told me of the existence of Animal Style Fries at In and Out burger. I need these in my life.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 02:39 PM (3DIzJ)

115 112 What would its nickname be? Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 07:34 PM (zt+N6) --- Hell Toupee

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 02:39 PM (jR7Wy)

116 Richard Nixon. First President I ever voted for. And I'd do it again, too.

Posted by: Eromero at January 30, 2016 02:39 PM (zLDYs)

117 Posted by: Karl Rove at January 30, 2016 07:33 PM Fuck that guy in particular

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 30, 2016 02:39 PM (VcKnO)

118 Rand Paul voters would almost all go to Cruz. That would make him tie Trump. Its the huge field that makes Trump look yuuuge.

Posted by: sexypig at January 30, 2016 02:39 PM (dZQh7)

119 The good news is that by Valentines Day the GOP field will be down to four or five candidates. I still think Tim "never heard of him" Pawlenty made a mistake by dropping out in 2012 before the NH primary. He dropped out in the Summer five months before the Iowa Caucuses. He was as bland as Romney but didn't have the liberal Romney baggage.

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 02:40 PM (v0YLX)

120
But my friend just told me of the existence of Animal Style Fries at In and Out burger.

um...furry ?

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 02:40 PM (SVE9e)

121 Carrier named for the SCOAMF Carrier of what, pestilence?

Posted by: t-bird at January 30, 2016 02:41 PM (n22zQ)

122 I want Bernie to kick Clinton's ass. She still has to weather, an indictment, her health problems, her sleazy husband, and her own crappy personality.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:41 PM (iQIUe)

123 116 Richard Nixon. First President I ever voted for. And I'd do it again, too. Posted by: Eromero at January 30, 2016 07:39 PM (zLDYs) --- Nixon's back! AROOOOO!

Posted by: Nixon's head on a robot body at January 30, 2016 02:41 PM (jR7Wy)

124 Of Course Obama emailed Hillary. All he had to do was click 'reply'. The President has state of the art software, the best in the world. He doesn't have to worry about the details. Or he could have said To: 'Hillary' Don't you people know how email works?

Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 02:42 PM (gI6EJ)

125 IS HILLARY SAFE BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED??

___________

On those individual emails to the President?  yes.

Everything else?  no

The idea that because you corresponded with the President at some point in history means you get to ignore all classified information laws on the books is not going to hold up as a legal argument, but that assumes we're still a nation of laws

Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 02:42 PM (HA9zO)

126 My question is half serious. There may be one more reason why the White House keeps inserting itself into press about these e-mails. Take out all the speculation about shady deals regarding the Clinton foundation money, or election plans to eject Hellary to bring in Biden, and all the other speculations. They may be poo-pooing it to play down just who knew what, and when they knew it. If (hypothetically), we had an honest press, and IF we had a populace that still cared, this story could bring down the whole administration. So, of course it won't happen, and you're a hater for thinking it. Hater.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 02:42 PM (kKHcp)

127 Sounds like Ann is fudging for Hillary.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:42 PM (iQIUe)

128 This all HAS to be tied to the Drudge link about a woman found dead along with 2 live monkeys and an incoherent man in Florida.

Posted by: dartist at January 30, 2016 02:43 PM (Nr1E9)

129 blah blah blah blah blah Trump


Until Donald came along, we were headed for jEB losing to Hillary, with no discussion of immigration and Bush defending Common Whore.



Posted by: Ronny in Rotterdam at January 30, 2016 02:43 PM (8CdUx)

130 Save us, Joe Biden! You're our only hope.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2016 02:43 PM (AfsKp)

131 Someone shd ask Hillary if she is going to ban that pervert, Weiner, from the Whitehouse and all Whitehouse functions?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (iQIUe)

132 Cruz resorting to shaming letters now. It's over for Cruz.

Posted by: Billygoatpuke at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (l5QMI)

133 O/T Hillary e-mails... Some of you may remember me posting yesterday that if there are actually 18 or more e-mails between Hillary and Obama, that Obama might have a little bit of deniability issues going on. And today, what do we find on the headlines at Drudge? http://tinyurl.com/kg5j6tn

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (ptqRm)

134 It's sad that having the president involved in felony behavior means it's less likely to be prosecuted in today's America.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (3DIzJ)

135 What would its nickname be? Posted by: buzzion ------------ The Classy. The Yuge. The Ego, maybe...

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (fSuK4)

136 Or ask her what is her position on Dick Pixs?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:44 PM (iQIUe)

137 This all HAS to be tied to the Drudge link about a woman found dead along with 2 live monkeys and an incoherent man in Florida. and something on American Airlines is making people sick. And then there was that fight on Delta (?) It's all tied together.

Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 02:45 PM (gI6EJ)

138 137 This all HAS to be tied to the Drudge link about a woman found dead along with 2 live monkeys and an incoherent man in Florida. and something on American Airlines is making people sick. And then there was that fight on Delta (?) It's all tied together. Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 07:45 PM (gI6EJ) Aliens

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoulkas at January 30, 2016 02:45 PM (zt+N6)

139 I'd like to see a Penis Pong match between Bill and Weiner, winner gets Huma.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:46 PM (iQIUe)

140 T-bird, That was a good one.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:46 PM (sj3Ax)

141 What would its nickname be? Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 07:34 PM (zt+N6) USSN Hillary Clinton, "Big Bitch"

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 02:46 PM (v0YLX)

142 What is voting score stalkermail please?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 02:46 PM (DL2i+)

143 Giorgio Tsoulkas at January 30, 2016 07:45 PM Time Travelers

Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 02:47 PM (gI6EJ)

144 Where have you gone Augusto Pinochet? A nation turns its blackened eyes to you.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 30, 2016 02:47 PM (kpqmD)

145 It's the Clinton Money Laudering Foundation.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:47 PM (iQIUe)

146 Someone shd ask Hillary if she is going to ban that pervert, Weiner, from the Whitehouse and all Whitehouse functions?

With HER husband?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:48 PM (oVJmc)

147 Another CR article written by a native of Iowa, wrote that trump followers are the most belligerent & proudly misinformed.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:48 PM (sj3Ax)

148 USSN Hillary Clinton, "Big Bitch" Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 07:46 PM (v0YLX) =========== A Hill not to die on....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:48 PM (iQIUe)

149 but that assumes we're still a nation of laws

>50% of the American voting public would clap and cheer if President Boyfriend appeared on every news channel in the Rose Garden in full Muslim robes, eating live babies and choking mewling kittens.


Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 02:49 PM (SVE9e)

150 woo-woo-woo woo-woo-woo

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at January 30, 2016 02:49 PM (WOyz5)

151 I have bills to pay. BBL.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:49 PM (sj3Ax)

152 Carson should probably drop out even though he's at 10. He does poorly outside of Iowa and doesn't seem to want it. I think Paul is tired of the whole thing. Christie has no shot and I think has been spending his money. Fiorina will probably stay in. She likes doing the debates. Huck and Santorum have been even bigger clowns than Trump and should be embarrassed at the showing in a state where they previously won. Who knows if these guys have shame anymore. And then there's Jeb. It's his cluelessness that's part of how we got here. Trumpkins are STILL running against him. His PAC is serving no purpose but knocking down Rubio (Cruz will be next). It will be a great catharsis when we can get rid of him. For the first time, the GOP will not go with the guy whose turn it is.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 02:49 PM (JIElb)

153 top?....or bottom?

Posted by: huma at January 30, 2016 02:50 PM (FvuUy)

154 Unfortunately, Ace will not be disappointed. Rubio seems not to have a surge. Sad.

Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 02:50 PM (VoCyE)

155 151 I have bills to pay. BBL. Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 07:49 PM (sj3Ax) --- Stay in a well lit place and don't get in their cars, Carol!

Posted by: Nixon's head on a robot body at January 30, 2016 02:50 PM (jR7Wy)

156 On the USS Hillary Clinton every day is a stand down.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 30, 2016 02:51 PM (H4GNL)

157 Go Cruz!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 02:51 PM (rwI+c)

158 Drat.  I hope Cruz pulls it out. My preference is Cruz with a solid win, Trump & Rubio closely bunched, and all the rest as asterisks so they'll drop out sooner.  

Oh, and Go Bernie!  If Hillary looks like she's losing badly, maybe the DoJ will actually do the right thing and indict her.

Posted by: Jill at January 30, 2016 02:51 PM (1+uyO)

159 In an alternate universe the present Earth is barren of most mammalian life, yet tiny stunted Geraldo Riveras still scurry through piles of bricks and twisted rusting metal.

Posted by: Time Goggles, brah at January 30, 2016 02:51 PM (dlIzT)

160 I hope Cruz pulls it out. ----

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 02:52 PM (jR7Wy)

161 The Classy.

Scalp Weasel hats on the radomes.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 02:52 PM (DL2i+)

162 Rubio seems not to have a surge.

Sad.



But how will we getting zee Amnesty , senor?

Posted by: 29 million illegals and climbing at January 30, 2016 02:52 PM (SVE9e)

163 138:Aliens Posted by: Giorgio Tsoulkas
Jooo Aliens.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 02:52 PM (NGd+i)

164 i hope bernie does not win. I actually hear many real live people wanting Bernie. so i hoope he fails and we can kick hillary to the curb thereafter.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 02:52 PM (L7t0A)

165 Instead of the bow# TRUMP in white letters but gold vs. black outline.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 02:53 PM (DL2i+)

166 Some of our viewers have posited that it might be a black hole.

Posted by: Don Lemon at January 30, 2016 02:54 PM (Pwh6H)

167 "But in the universe one over, Emperor Walker sits atop a pyramid of skulls, drinking blood wine from a skull chalice. Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 06:57 PM (jR7Wy)" Do you know of a portal to that universe? That sounds like a better place.

Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 02:54 PM (VoCyE)

168 Kal, My vote is Massachusetts is overridden by all the liberal moon bats in this state. If I were in a state that was purple I'd vote.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 02:54 PM (sj3Ax)

169 149:>50% of the American voting public would clap and cheer if President Boyfriend appeared on every news channel in the Rose Garden in full Muslim robes, eating live babies and choking mewling kittens. Posted by: Mortimer
HEH!!! Funny but true!

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 02:55 PM (NGd+i)

170 At least President Not Sure ended the draught.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 30, 2016 02:55 PM (HMt16)

171 43 In spite of his historicity, I kind of doubt there will be a carrier named for The SCOAMF. Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 30, 2016 07:04 PM (jR7Wy) ------------ Ahem.

Posted by: USS Soetoro, Fleet Garbage Transport Scow at January 30, 2016 02:56 PM (/f6Nd)

172 ill check back later, have to do sundowning stuff.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2016 02:57 PM (L7t0A)

173 My vote is Massachusetts is overridden by all the liberal moon bats in this state. If I were in a state that was purple I'd vote. Posted by: Carol Yeah, Massivetwoshits is fucked. Sending Ted Kennedy to the Senate for several decades after he killed a girl is a sure sign that something is amiss.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at January 30, 2016 02:57 PM (Pwh6H)

174 It will be interesting if Cruz's supporters are able to convince Carson and Rand Supporters to go with him instead.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 02:57 PM (zt+N6)

175 The little shits in SF tried to name a sewage treatment plant after GWB.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 02:57 PM (iQIUe)

176 But how will we getting zee Amnesty , senor? Posted by: 29 million illegals and climbing at January 30, 2016 07:52 PM (SVE9e) From Trump. That is the truth, whether you like it or not. Trump will not send millions of Grandparents back, he just knows how to sell. I'm sure you can read his book and figure out how all that is the art of the deal. I do think he will built a fense, but so will the others. There is no difference any the policy between any of them, it is all semantics. And personally I like real words, and hate salesmen.

Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 02:58 PM (VoCyE)

177 Ted Cruz has naked pictures of Iowa voters.

If they vote, he'll destroy the negatives.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 02:59 PM (oVJmc)

178 Next Cruz mailer: Vote for Me or I'll Shoot This Dog

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 30, 2016 03:00 PM (HMt16)

179 175 The little shits in SF tried to name a sewage treatment plant after GWB. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
What does SF need a sewage treatment plant for? They just crap in the streets anyway.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 03:00 PM (NGd+i)

180 But my friend just told me of the existence of Animal Style Fries at In and Out burger. um...furry ? Posted by: Mortimer at January 30, 2016 07:40 PM (SVE9e) Coverd with cheese, spread, and grilled onion.

Posted by: The Animal Style Hat at January 30, 2016 03:00 PM (vBeA5)

181 I never cast a vote for Ted Kennedy, aka Killer or Fatman. I'd vote for an opponent or write my name in.

Posted by: Carol at January 30, 2016 03:00 PM (sj3Ax)

182 Clinton, when the boxers fell.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 30, 2016 03:01 PM (GdFQh)

183
There is no difference any the policy between any of them, it is all semantics.


And behold, the blind shall see...

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:01 PM (SVE9e)

184 Ted Cruz is smart, tough, Canadian. I'll support him when he runs for Prime Minister. Megyn Kelly is NUTZ!!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at January 30, 2016 03:02 PM (TJCSB)

185 I do think he will built a fense, but so will the others. There is no difference any the policy between any of them, it is all semantics. And personally I like real words, and hate salesmen. Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 07:58 PM (VoCyE) You're delusional if you think others will build a fence. I don't have a lot of faith in Trump actually doing it, but I have zero faith in the others. But then again you are probably fantasizing about a brokered convention where they pick Romney as the nominee.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:02 PM (zt+N6)

186 179 175 The little shits in SF tried to name a sewage treatment plant after GWB. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! What does SF need a sewage treatment plant for? They just crap in the streets anyway. Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 08:00 PM (NGd+i) They don't think this stuff through. George W. Bush: Cleaning up the filth of SF.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:03 PM (zt+N6)

187 If/when that happens, he'll go third party with Bloomberg as his VP selection. This is what happens if you treat him unfairly. Posted by: jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 07:28 PM (DofIg) Yep. That was the plan all along. He is just replaying the 1992 plan all at once. Buchanan for the primaries. Perot for the general. But it got screwed up because the frontrunner Jeb didn't comply and run away with it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 03:03 PM (JIElb)

188 a sewage treatment plant They treat it? Like to an ice cream sundae?

Posted by: Hillary'sWalker at January 30, 2016 03:04 PM (HMt16)

189 Until Donald came along, we were headed for jEB losing to Hillary, with no discussion of immigration and Bush defending Common Whore. Posted by: Ronny in Rotterdam at January 30, 2016 07:43 PM (8CdUx) Yeah, Trump did it. The great golden god Trump can do everything, including that thing with the tides Obama can't do. Why nobody would have noticed that Jeb sucks without Trump the Wrestling Goon shitting all over everything.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 03:05 PM (JIElb)

190 186 179 175 The little shits in SF tried to name a sewage treatment plant after GWB. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! What does SF need a sewage treatment plant for? They just crap in the streets anyway. Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 08:00 PM (NGd+i) They don't think this stuff through. George W. Bush: Cleaning up the filth of SF. Posted by: buzzion
I know! Sewage Treatment Plants provide a valuable public service. There "insult" is really not.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 03:07 PM (NGd+i)

191 Coverd with cheese, spread, and grilled onion.

oh dear Lord.

In and Out Burger, if you were a woman, I would marry you.
 
At least my money would be spent on actual bliss...and my death from hypertension would be attributable to cheesy deliciousness rather than the stress of broken dreams and the daily shrieking reminder of my complete failure as a man.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:07 PM (SVE9e)

192 I do think he will built a fense, but so will the others. I highly doubt that. He's least likely to do it. He'll just not bother with it. "The fence" is just an applause line to Trump. He admits it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 03:07 PM (JIElb)

193 If George Bush or any of the GOPe shits built the wall like we have been demanding since 2001, there would have been NO Trump. I do not know if Trump is lying about building a wall? But I damned well know that none of the other have!

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:07 PM (v0YLX)

194 Gollum's in.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 03:07 PM (oVJmc)

195 >>Until Donald came along, we were headed for jEB losing to Hillary, with no discussion of immigration and Bush defending Common Whore. C'mon. Bush is polling equal to lint. You are only going to squeeze just so many presidents out of any given DNA.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2016 03:08 PM (/tuJf)

196 175 The little shits in SF tried to name a sewage treatment plant after GWB. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! ------------- I don't consider myself a violent person at all, but that is one place I would like to visit. I think I would just walk around punching people in the throat all day. For as long as I could get away with it.

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:09 PM (fSuK4)

197 But then again you are probably fantasizing about a brokered convention where they pick Romney as the nominee. Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 08:02 PM (zt+N6) I am relieved Romney is not running. So I guess that means you are hoping for a brokered convention? Because I'm not. That would probably keep us from beating Hillary. My whole motivation is that I want to beat the corrupt Democrat/media cabal. Trump is an interesting development which I think spells the end of Conservatism as a movement, and I had hoped we would get further. Cruz is a great candidate for Supreme Court Chief Justice, but not as President. I don't think it is important to be likable on the Supreme Court and you actually have power to do the stuff Cruz talks about.

Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 03:10 PM (VoCyE)

198 ,.......rather than the stress of broken dreams and the daily shrieking reminder of my complete failure as a man. Posted by: Mortimer at January 30, 2016 08:07 PM (SVE9e) Nice turn of phrase.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 03:10 PM (kKHcp)

199 Why nobody would have noticed that Jeb sucks without Trump the Wrestling Goon shitting all over everything. Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 08:05 PM (JIElb) I know, right?

Posted by: petunia at January 30, 2016 03:12 PM (VoCyE)

200 I wish Walker had not dropped out so early.  But I think his team was a mess, so ...

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:12 PM (dFi94)

201 I love how when someone criticizes Cruz its for something like a "mailer" or in the case of immigration, lies. Megan Kelly even admitted the evidence shows he was never for amnesty and he has declared it many times. Trump meanwhile, has admitted he is in favor of single payer health insurance, plans on implementing amnesty, high tariffs, and loves when big government tramples on the little guys's (thats you) property rights through eminent domain. He has said those things during this campaign, with his own mouth. Not to mention his terrible judgment in considering Supreme Court appointments that could destroy the 2nd amendment. You know....but Cruz is an anchor baby. Oh, and Mitch McConnell and John McCain hate him. Trump has stubby fingers. PERIOD. DYK? He would have the same wealth he has today by investing the money Daddy gave him in the S&P 500. Those big deals tho! Why do you think he turned to reality TV? He blew the Television City deal and never recovered his reputation. The guy is a TV character....that is it. Its time to get serious. Cruz 2016. PS Cruz wins Monday by 5+

Posted by: Alec j at January 30, 2016 03:13 PM (22DKu)

202

JackStraw, good one (polling equal to lint).

 

You and I had exactly the same initial musings on the You Know Who phenomenon.  That he might contribute by making a few central yet inexplicably taboo issues unavoidable for the GOP primaries.  Additionally, I was hoping that in doing so, esp. one key issue, his efforts would help doom Yeb! and the other FL guy.

 

Hard to say whether, in fact, there has been any contribution to the substance of things - certainly it's been incredibly disappointing that immigration lawlessness hasn't been forced into the dominant place it merits - but I wonder if You Know Who has in any case helped stunt or destroy the two FL guys anyway.  Through sucking up all the oxygen, and in Yeb!'s case the seemingly effective personal mockery.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at January 30, 2016 03:14 PM (QDnY+)

203 So do you guys think Donald Trump has tainted the process?

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2016 03:15 PM (AfsKp)

204 >>>But my friend just told me of the existence of Animal Style Fries at In and Out burger. I need these in my life. Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 07:39 PM (3DIzJ) I didn't go to in and out when I was in Cali a few years ago but they have them in Dallas! Maybe I should go next month...

Posted by: Lea at January 30, 2016 03:15 PM (vmMMi)

205 I'm exhausted from this election and it's only January.  Yay Yippee we get to do this till almost Thanksgiving.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:15 PM (dFi94)

206 Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 08:09 PM (fSuK4) Grow out a beard, mess up your hair, put on smelly filthy clothes and the "good people" of San Francisco will completely ignore you and anything you do.

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:15 PM (v0YLX)

207 I do not know if Trump is lying about building a wall? But I damned well know that none of the other have! Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 08:07 PM (v0YLX) And? How stupid is this? Turning a reasoned argument into a tantrum by supporting a clown isn't going to get you anywhere. It turns your issue into a joke issue. Or worse, poison.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 03:16 PM (JIElb)

208 So do you guys think Donald Trump has tainted the process?

The process has been a cesspool for quite some time.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 03:16 PM (oVJmc)

209 Currently watching a show on CNN? on the Eagles. It's pretty good.

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 03:16 PM (o/90i)

210 My vote is Massachusetts is overridden by all the liberal moon bats in this state.
If I were in a state that was purple I'd vote.
Posted by: Carol


I still think you should always vote, something like 3 out of the last 4 Governors have been Republicans in MA and don't forget Scott Brown 

They're obviously not super conservative, but if the choice is between a crazy Leftists and a centrist Republican, I'll take the lesser evil

I don't think you can ever convince me it's a wise choice for conservatives to not participate


Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 03:17 PM (HA9zO)

211 209: Me too. It is pretty good. I did not know Don Henley was from Texas.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 30, 2016 03:17 PM (NGd+i)

212 19 I don't know who Jan is, but she seems to be polling pretty well. Posted by: hogmartin at January 30, 2016 06:55 PM (NA5LM) Jan 2016!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:17 PM (UnJ7w)

213 Another brilliant moron (Royal Oil, I think??) posted this last week which sums up my feelings exactly :



If I can't have Cruz, I will give them Trump.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:18 PM (SVE9e)

214 203 So do you guys think Donald Trump has tainted the process? Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2016 08:15 PM (AfsKp) I think his minions have tainted the process. It is not possible to rationally discuss flip flops or past history with any of his supporters I'm acquainted with. Zero difference mentally between them and a mind numbed Hillary supporter or Bernie (millenial) supporter.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b][/u]jwb7605 at January 30, 2016 03:18 PM (DofIg)

215 I don't think you can ever convince me it's a wise choice for conservatives to not participate

Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 08:17 PM (HA9zO)

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Sits.  Thinks about typing.  Sits some more.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:18 PM (dFi94)

216 "Trump is an interesting development which I think spells the end of Conservatism as a movement," ----- Always enjoy these doom-fraught pronouncements. Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to conservatism, by smuggling it in under his populism rather than see it aborted by unelectable over-preachment, or subverted by RINOism. No, he won't do or say everything according to the Conservative Doctrine, but he'll make patriotic pragmatism fashionable again, which is one step away from conservatism.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 30, 2016 03:18 PM (s/yC1)

217 The mailer was pretty creepy if you actually see a pic of it.

I rolled my eyes when I hear about it, but actually seeing it, I can't believe a campaign was that stupid to think you would get a positive voter reaction from it

Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 03:18 PM (HA9zO)

218
In fairness, if we have a President Trump I think it's fair to say pretty much everything will be named Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2016 06:57 PM (/tuJf)


Trump condoms!


They're yuuuge!  And luxurious!

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:19 PM (5p18q)

219 I dont care about flip flops. People change their minds. I have. What I wont tolerate is running on one issue and then flipping after election which is what Rubio did.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:19 PM (iQIUe)

220

Hat, the sauce on Animal Style is very close to Russian dressing - a bit milder in terms of flavor, lighter color.  Of course you can also get this on your burger.

 

For many years there really was a widely known "secret" menu.  I didn't happen/bother to go to In-n-Out until the internet era, so finding the secret menu info was easy.  I wonder how it worked for those decades before the digital ones (chain was started in 1947, I think).

 

Posted by: rhomboid at January 30, 2016 03:19 PM (QDnY+)

221 No Trump and it would have been Cruz vs. Rubio. The entire last 9 months would have been all Cruz bashing.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 03:20 PM (MQEz6)

222 It turns your issue into a joke issue. Or worse, poison. Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 08:16 PM (JIElb) Will someone explain how this imaginary fabulous wall is going to be built? Doesn't he have to go through Congress? Maybe they changed that part.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:20 PM (UnJ7w)

223 Still working for Toho films.
http://www.tohokingdom.com/
aliens_sdf/oxygen_destroyer.htm

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 03:21 PM (DL2i+)

224 I dont expect 100% agreement with any candidate but some issues are not negotiable: amnesty: it will destroy this country foreign policy: we are setting up a nuclear war with Iran and destroying Israel by aiding her enemies. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Get rid of obamacare

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:21 PM (iQIUe)

225 Donald Trump targeted the unprincipled voter, trying to attract free energy by being the shiniest object in sight, and it worked. But he's still the same Leftwing New York Establishment figure he's always been.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 03:22 PM (2cS/G)

226 Oh, lower taxes and leave me the fk alone.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:22 PM (iQIUe)

227 Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 08:17 PM (HA9zO) There is no lesser evil.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 03:23 PM (MQEz6)

228 " I can't believe a campaign was that stupid to think you would get a positive voter reaction from it" Cruz has a terrible marketing team. His emails are spammy as hell, even for politicians. And I say this as someone who plans to vote for him.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 03:23 PM (f3Iw2)

229 Grow out a beard, mess up your hair, put on smelly filthy clothes and the "good people" of San Francisco will completely ignore you and anything you do. Posted by: rd ----------- Heh. If you only knew. I haven't shaved in over four months. Jeremiah Johnson starter kit going on... It would take me all of 30 seconds to blend in with the homeless crowd in SF (other than the fact that I'm too shy to pee in public).

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:23 PM (fSuK4)

230 It would take me all of 30 seconds to blend in with the homeless crowd in SF (other than the fact that I'm too shy to pee in public). Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 08:23 PM (fSuK4) Well they do have the outdoor urinal now.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:24 PM (zt+N6)

231 Alec j, "Cruz 2016. PS Cruz wins Monday by 5+" Mescaline, huh? Well I hope you brought enough for everybody!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 03:25 PM (IXCJi)

232 The good thing about "the mailer", though, is the extent of GOTV information that the campaign has.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:25 PM (5p18q)

233 This all HAS to be tied to the Drudge link about a woman found dead along with 2 live monkeys and an incoherent man in Florida.
Posted by: dartist at January 30, 2016 07:43 PM (Nr1E9)


It has a Lovecraftian feel to it, doesn't it?

But, Florida.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 03:26 PM (q2o38)

234 Too shy to p in public depends on how bad ya gotta go

Posted by: Willburn Sooner at January 30, 2016 03:26 PM (gI6EJ)

235 Amishdude, I support Cruz, but I love Trump for going into the GOP Temple and kicking over the money changers tables. Trump has actually done everything I and most of us Morons have asked for! Trump has been kicking MSM Ass! Trump has said Fuck You! to Political Correctness! Trump sounds like a real patriot. I hope he really is. I think he is egotistical enough to be driven to accomplish what he promised, because he will want his supporters to like and support him. In the meantime, let me echo, If I can't have Cruz, I will give them Trump!

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:28 PM (v0YLX)

236 Like I don't know you guys.

Any carrier named the Donald Trump will have the nickname "The Taj-Mahal"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 03:28 PM (q2o38)

237
Will someone explain how this imaginary fabulous wall is going to be built? Doesn't he have to go through Congress?



What is "Obamacare" , Alex.


Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:28 PM (SVE9e)

238
Will someone explain how this imaginary fabulous wall is going to be built? Doesn't he have to go through Congress? Maybe they changed that part.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 08:20 PM (UnJ7w)


Well according to some people here, if a President Trump requested funds from Congress to build the wall, and Congress refused, Trump should just go ahead and build the wall anyway and they would be absolutely fine with that.  A little bit scary if you ask me.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:28 PM (5p18q)

239 In fact, for fun I just responded to one of Ted Cruz's emails telling him to fire his marketing team. I have a feeling this is going to go something like the responding to spam email ted talk.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 03:29 PM (f3Iw2)

240 Trump wins.
Cruz can win.
Rubio loses epically.
The general that is.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 30, 2016 03:29 PM (AhyHb)

241 Is Ace spending the night with us? Or, is he off to find Mr. Bradley Cooper?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:31 PM (iQIUe)

242 Trump condoms!
They're yuuuge! And luxurious!


It's TRU
It's TRU

Posted by: Lilly still dealing with LePetomaine[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 03:31 PM (DL2i+)

243 OT: Hi, grammie! Tucker says Hi. (He's a little freaked out right now because I have a homeless guy sleeping on my couch). If someone here could be convinced to put up a doggeh/pet thread on the weekends, would you be willing to write it? You're the fort person I thought of. I could maybe talk MisHum into contributing.

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:31 PM (fSuK4)

244 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:28 PM (5p18q) Either way the Republic ends. So why not do what the American People want you to do? Build the fucking wall.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 03:31 PM (MQEz6)

245 Today I saw Orrin Hatch embrace Scott Walker like he was the prodigal son, and heard people beg Mitt Romney to run for president again There is panic in the air

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 03:31 PM (RVlUM)

246 I would not have responded well to the Cruz mailer.

I have voted with obsessive consistency and regularity for decades, but if I had opted not to do so? That too would be my own goddamn business. Stay out of it. PRIVACY is one of the cornerstones of the "liberty" which Cruz is constantly invoking.

As for the primary, at this point, none of the GOP candidates ring a bell, so if Comrade Bernie is still in the race, I'll cross over to vote for him. Better the Communist than the crook.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 03:32 PM (noWW6)

247 "(He's a little freaked out right now because I have a homeless guy sleeping on my couch)." So I take it you didn't take the horde's screaming no advice then?

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 03:32 PM (f3Iw2)

248 Build the fucking wall. Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 08:31 PM (MQEz6) That it is federal law to build already.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:33 PM (zt+N6)

249 *fort? Really autocucumber? FIRST, obviously.

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:34 PM (fSuK4)

250 >>Today I saw Orrin Hatch embrace Scott Walker like he was the prodigal son, and heard people beg Mitt Romney to run for president again Wut?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2016 03:34 PM (/tuJf)

251 i was under the impression that Congress had approved a wall years ago...

that should be all the approval President Trump needs.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 30, 2016 03:34 PM (1jrth)

252 "Today I saw Orrin Hatch embrace Scott Walker like he was the prodigal son"

For some completely mysterious reason, I am again getting those "dodged a bullet" sensations down the back of my neck.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 03:34 PM (noWW6)

253 The poll that matters is coming in 2 days

Posted by: Picric at January 30, 2016 03:34 PM (QnQ+g)

254 >>>> If someone here could be convinced to put up a doggeh/pet thread on the weekends, would you be willing to write it? ----- I loved this idea the first time you suggested it. Ahem, any volunteers?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (2x3L+)

255 How is "I'm All Dead Inside" polling?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (sdi6R)

256 Doesn't he have to go through Congress? What is "Obamacare" , Alex. Congress passed Obamacare.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (FkBIv)

257 To me the wall is the easy part, it's weeding out the rest who are here illegally

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (hk3Fb)

258 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 08:21 PM (iQIUe) Add in Second Amendment support For me it is illegal immigration and 2A. Why? If you support illegal immigration, you have NO Respect for the Law. Don't believe me? Who likes Amnesty and thinks Hillarys Email is no big deal? So what if US secrets are read by every enemy, and most of our supposed allies?

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (v0YLX)

259 Hi, grammie!
Tucker says Hi.
(He's a little freaked out right now because I have a homeless guy sleeping on my couch).

If someone here could be convinced to put up a doggeh/pet thread on the weekends, would you be willing to write it? You're the fort person I thought of.
I could maybe talk MisHum into contributing.

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 08:31 PM (fSuK4)

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Hi Tucker!  You have a homeless man sleeping on your couch?  God bless your good soul.  I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to commit to a regular pets, pooches and assorted critters thread, due to my upcoming shotgun wedding. But I think it's a GREAT idea!  I don't know why no one thought of it before!  Maybe Ace would give the keys to someone able and willing to drive the Hound Wagon.  What a good idea.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:35 PM (dFi94)

260 Julian Castro is definitely going to be the dem veep. I will crawl on broken glass to vote against Hillary or Bernie

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 03:36 PM (RVlUM)

261 How is "I'm All Dead Inside" polling?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 08:35 PM (sdi6R)

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Already filled out my ballot.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)

262 What is "Obamacare" , Alex. Posted by: Mortimer at January 30, 2016 08:28 PM (SVE9e) Seriously? You mean to tell me every republican in Congress is for funding and building a wall come hell or high water? I thought those guys were the "Establishment" and/or the GOPe. Or is Trump gonna make a deal so great that they have no choice but to do it?

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (UnJ7w)

263 It's the stupid SAG awards tonight bc Hwd cant have enough award shows praising themselves. About 16 years ago it go really out of hand and there were over 265 award shows. Disgusting.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (iQIUe)

264 No, Lauren. I am a sucker, I know. At this point, it's not even about the extra cash...

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (fSuK4)

265 I've suggested to CDR M to do a Moron pets picture for the Friday Dog ONT and Saturday Cat ONT before.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (zt+N6)

266 " Julian Castro is definitely going to be the dem veep. " Yep

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (f3Iw2)

267 Yes Congress authorized the building of the wall, but Congress has not authorized paying to build it all.

So if Congress continues to refuse funding to pay for the wall, you all want Trump to ignore Congress and build the wall anyway.  Perfect.  Anything else you want Il Duce Trump to do?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:37 PM (5p18q)

268 Cruz screwed the pooch wrt his voter mailings. mail fraud may become a factor, plus violations of other laws. Also, another story about using a company associated w/ Facebook to collect voter profiles on Facebook w/o their knowledge. "Ted Cruz using firm that harvested data on millions of unwitting Facebook users"

Posted by: Hot Gates at January 30, 2016 03:38 PM (KJZeR)

269 >>>> So I take it you didn't take the horde's screaming no advice then? Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 08:32 PM (f3Iw2) ----- I thought the homeless guy sleeping on the couch was a joke. You have a big heart, Chi, but, ummm, sleep with one eye open maybe?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 03:38 PM (2x3L+)

270 That direct mail piece could be the straw that breaks the Camel's back for Cruz in Iowa. Everything about Cruz's campaign just repels voters. I know everyone thinks a pure Senate voting record is what wins Presidential elections, but I remain unconvinced Cruz has much appeal outside of small groups of grassroots activists.

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 03:38 PM (A3kYV)

271 263 It's the stupid SAG awards tonight bc Hwd cant have enough award shows praising themselves. About 16 years ago it go really out of hand and there were over 265 award shows. Disgusting. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 08:37 PM (iQIUe) And they have to kill both TNT and TBS's programming with it. Who in the hell has TNT but not TBS or vice versa? Why the hell do you need this stupid masturbatory circle jerk on both channels?

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (zt+N6)

272 i was under the impression that Congress had approved a wall years ago... that should be all the approval President Trump needs. Posted by: redc1c4 at January 30, 2016 08:34 PM (1jrth) Except for the money part.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (UnJ7w)

273 I have voted with obsessive consistency and regularity for decades, but if I had opted not to do so? That too would be my own goddamn business. Stay out of it. PRIVACY is one of the cornerstones of the "liberty" which Cruz is constantly invoking. Some are fans of mandatory voting. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/22-countries-voting-mandatory/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (FkBIv)

274 "Build the fucking wall."

Goddamned wacko birds again. Just ignore them.

What, what? What's that you say? I have a primary challenger this year? And she's leading me in the polls? Oh shit.

OKAY, OKAY, I HEARD YOU! I GOT THE MESSAGE! BUILD THE DAMN THING! I'M ON IT! TOP PRIORITY! IT'LL BE DONE NEXT THING YOU KNOW!!!

Posted by: John McCain at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (noWW6)

275 Congress passed Obamacare.

And you think that SCOAMF sold a better "deal" with Ocare than Trump will with the wall?

Pork and blackmail make everything possible...

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (SVE9e)

276 So if Congress continues to refuse funding to pay for the wall, you all want Trump to ignore Congress and build the wall anyway. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:37 PM (5p18q) ----- Yup.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (s/yC1)

277 (He's a little freaked out right now because I have a homeless guy sleeping on my couch).

Chi, did you agree to rent the room to the druggie guy?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:39 PM (5p18q)

278 Dang, Chi. You were a clean cut young feller when had breakfast together! I am just greyer.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 30, 2016 03:40 PM (+RF8x)

279 Or is Trump gonna make a deal so great that they have no choice but to do it?

You are familiar with the Kabuki of the GOP Congress?

I repeat: pork and blackmail make the .gov go around.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:41 PM (SVE9e)

280 Add in Second Amendment support

For me it is illegal immigration and 2A.

Why?

If you support illegal immigration, you have NO Respect for the Law. Don't believe me? Who likes Amnesty and thinks Hillarys Email is no big deal? So what if US secrets are read by every enemy, and most of our supposed allies?

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 08:35 PM (v0YLX)


Throw in some freedom of conscience (anti-PC)...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 03:41 PM (T78UI)

281 'Unwitting Facebook users' is kind of redundant, isn't it?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 03:41 PM (oVJmc)

282 Hey look, obama is circumventing the Constitution to get his way. Impeach him!! Hey look, trump is circumventing the Constitution to get his way. About time!!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:42 PM (UnJ7w)

283 Yes if Congress wants to continue to violate the Constitution and refuse to protect our sovereignty, you're damn fucking straight I want the President to do what he can to fix that illegal act.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 03:42 PM (zt+N6)

284 Well according to some people here, if a President Trump requested funds from Congress to build the wall, and Congress refused, Trump should just go ahead and build the wall anyway and they would be absolutely fine with that. A little bit scary if you ask me. If President Trump or President Anyone cannot get Congress to do its duty, he could just set up a GoFundMe page. I bet he'd fund it in under two weeks. I would pledge a kilobuck.

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:42 PM (v0YLX)

285 "I know everyone thinks a pure Senate voting record is what wins Presidential elections, but I remain unconvinced Cruz has much appeal outside of small groups of grassroots activists."

Much of my problem with Cruz *is* with his Senate voting record. Which is hardly pure.

Granting Obamatrade authority, plus the facially unconstitutional Bob Corker "enabling" bill which allowed the Obama Iran nuclear deal to be shoved through. Those were bad harbingers.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 03:42 PM (noWW6)

286 NY Times endorsed John "mailman's son" Kasich. Posted by: scrood at January 30, 2016 07:08 PM (3b9U4) They figure that Hillary might be able to beat him in the general.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 03:43 PM (Z8fuk)

287 Right now the gossip in DC is that Hillary is in real trouble, and they are looking for a white knight. They are hoping for Bloomberg. Seriously, he is the k street choice

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 03:44 PM (RVlUM)

288 And one hand on the shotgun, L... Seriously, he is so grateful (and gracious) that I don't know what else to do. I gave him a blanket, a towel, and a beer, then pointed at the bathroom... If my dog trusts him, then I think I can. ?

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:45 PM (fSuK4)

289 So if Congress continues to refuse funding to pay for the wall, you all want Trump to ignore Congress and build the wall anyway. Perfect. Anything else you want Il Duce Trump to do?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:37 PM (5p18q)


Can he make Amtrak run on time?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 03:45 PM (q2o38)

290 Hillary is going to be running against that dark-horse candidate, Federal Subpoena.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 03:45 PM (IXCJi)

291 Will Donald Trump protect ministers from having to violate their religious convictions by performing homosexual marriage ceremonies?  Asking because I simply do not know. 

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:46 PM (dFi94)

292 Anybody see that link earlier at Hot Gas about the Huckster telling his "base" that if they're not committed to caucus for him, to stay home? I have never seen anything written that was complimentary on the guy. How the hell did he ever win Iowa?

Posted by: Joanne's fingers crossed for Cruz at January 30, 2016 03:46 PM (hgBpU)

293 We don't need anything "New" to build a wall. That Right has existed since this Nation existed. If we need new laws to protect our borders, we need new laws for everything. It is a fundamental responsibility of any Nation to guard it's borders.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 03:46 PM (2cS/G)

294 Anything else you want Il Duce Trump to do? Is this a trick question?

Posted by: freaked at January 30, 2016 03:46 PM (BO/km)

295 Hey look, obama is circumventing the Constitution to get his way.
Impeach him!!
Hey look, trump is circumventing the Constitution to get his way.
About time!!


They're ALL circumventing the Constitution.


That fair lady breathed her last in November of 2012.


What we have now is an aristocracy that hands out US Constitution coloring books to the rubes.


Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:47 PM (SVE9e)

296 283 Yes if Congress wants to continue to violate the Constitution and refuse to protect our sovereignty, you're damn fucking straight I want the President to do what he can to fix that illegal act.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 08:42 PM (zt+N6)



Wait wait, so not authorizing funding to build the wall is "violating the Constitution"?  Since when?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:47 PM (5p18q)

297 Seriously, he is so grateful (and gracious) that I don't know what else to do. I gave him a blanket, a towel, and a beer, then pointed at the bathroom...
If my dog trusts him, then I think I can. ?

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 08:45 PM (fSuK4)

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What a big, good heart you have. 

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:47 PM (dFi94)

298 Hi Tucker! You have a homeless man sleeping on your couch? God bless your good soul. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to commit to a regular pets, pooches and assorted critters thread, due to my upcoming shotgun wedding. But I think it's a GREAT idea! I don't know why no one thought of it before! Maybe Ace would give the keys to someone able and willing to drive the Hound Wagon. What a good idea. Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 08:35 PM Shotgun wedding? Grammie is preggers! Spread the news. Know Chi is a good soul, just hope Chi isn't soon a good soul w/ a lot of regrets very soon. Best of luck to ya buddy.

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 03:48 PM (o/90i)

299 Looks like Houston installed a public urinal at Toyota Stadium. Because the Rockets just peed away another lead there

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 03:48 PM (IXCJi)

300 What we have now is an aristocracy that hands out US Constitution coloring books to the rubes. Posted by: Mortimer at January 30, 2016 08:47 PM (SVE9e) And in return you want a dictator. Nice.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:48 PM (UnJ7w)

301 293 We don't need anything "New" to build a wall. That Right has existed since this Nation existed. If we need new laws to protect our borders, we need new laws for everything. It is a fundamental responsibility of any Nation to guard it's borders.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 08:46 PM (2cS/G)


The government does guard its borders, just very imperfectly.  Having a wall, or not having a wall, is not the same as "not guarding the borders".


And yes I do want a wall to be built.  But I'm not going to pretend it is some sort of Constitutional mandate, because it isn't.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:49 PM (5p18q)

302 At least building a fence/wall would actually put people to work. Unlike BOs stimulus which bought fancy office furniture for a few contributors before they folded their companies but had huge personal gains.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 30, 2016 03:49 PM (chkUd)

303 A President could seal the border over night if they truly wanted. Why is it that South Korea gets the US military to guard its border? You simply get some combination of the National Guard and the US Military and make it their mandate to actually protect the US border instead of foreign nations like South Korea and Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 03:49 PM (A3kYV)

304 And in return you want a dictator. Nice.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 08:48 PM (UnJ7w)


They are willing to rationalize anything in the name of Trump.  Anything.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:49 PM (5p18q)

305 Chem, No, not really. I let him stay on the couch tonight. I am such a sucker for a sad story... Jinx, Ha!. This morning, I picked up this 3" long grey hair, thinking "where the hell did this come from?!?" Then I realized that it was from my beard. How did I get this old?

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 03:50 PM (fSuK4)

306 Shotgun wedding? Grammie is preggers! Spread the news.
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Yeah I think that ship sailed sometime during the Reagan administration. The first one.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:50 PM (dFi94)

307 I got Jeb Bush`s 'act of love' right here in both hands!

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at January 30, 2016 03:50 PM (t4GNF)

308
You simply get some combination of the National Guard and the US Military and make it their mandate to actually protect the US border instead of foreign nations like South Korea and Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 08:49 PM (A3kYV)


Well, there's the whole Posse Comitatus issue

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:50 PM (5p18q)

309 Congress does not get the last word.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 03:51 PM (MQEz6)

310
And in return you want a dictator. Nice.

???

I believe that I stated that I am a Cruz guy. Even in this thread.

You and Amish and the anti Trump brigade need to get an MRI. You are seeing Trump behind every curtain.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:51 PM (SVE9e)

311 Add chemjeff to the MRI appointment.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:51 PM (SVE9e)

312 ChemJeff you misunderstand posse comitatus

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 03:51 PM (RVlUM)

313 >>NY Times endorsed John "mailman's son" Kasich. Posted by: scrood at January 30, 2016 07:08 PM (3b9U4) They figure that Hillary might be able to beat him in the general. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon ------------------------ Hell, she could beat him in a WWE ring.

Posted by: Aviator at January 30, 2016 03:52 PM (c7vUv)

314 Cruz is getting slaughtered in the Iowa press for a mailer he sent out about "voting violations" with actual voter names on it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 03:52 PM (4ErVI)

315 A nation without borders is not a Nation, it's just a colored blot on a map, subject to Change by the mapmakers.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 03:52 PM (2cS/G)

316 Right now the gossip in DC is that Hillary is in real trouble, and they are looking for a white knight. They are hoping for Bloomberg. Seriously, he is the k street choice

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 08:44 PM (RVlUM)


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What? What! Where? I hover over my computer like a cat over a gopher hole reading news about Hillary. Hadn't seen that one yet.

Posted by: iforgot at January 30, 2016 03:53 PM (YOxw1)

317 Congratulations Grammie! It's a 6 lb 5 oz Swedish Meatball!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 03:53 PM (4ErVI)

318 Cats are NOT smarter than dogs. Exh. A: https://goo.gl/p6lGZw

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 03:53 PM (iQIUe)

319 it's just a colored blot on a map, subject to Change by the mapmakers.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 08:52 PM (2cS/G)

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Kind of like Israel, then.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:53 PM (dFi94)

320 Jim, There is this little thing called Posse Comitatus? No US Military performing police functions. I think you would need some sort of emergency declaration? Even though they would do a damned fine job.

Posted by: rd at January 30, 2016 03:53 PM (v0YLX)

321 What? What! Where? I hover over my computer like a cat over a gopher hole reading news about Hillary. Hadn't seen that one yet.

Posted by: iforgot at January 30, 2016 08:53 PM (YOxw1)


I saw something about it if'n Shilly loses Iowa and New Hampshire.


I still think Bloomberg is a bust due to the gun control stuff. People across all lines won't buy into that crap.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 03:54 PM (4ErVI)

322 "Levin says Trump move is not about FOX"

I heard the son of Levin's fiancee works for the Cruz campaign?  Did Levin willingly disclose that or is he hiding things just like his bud Ted Sachs?  They all seem like corrupt a-holes.


Posted by: Schlomo Goldberg III at January 30, 2016 03:54 PM (cczh5)

323 Posted by: Mortimer at January 30, 2016 08:51 PM (SVE9e) That comment was aimed at those who think the Executive branch can and should have more power than the Legislative branch when it comes to creating and passing laws.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (UnJ7w)

324 >>>> I believe that I stated that I am a Cruz guy. Even in this thread. ------ Mortimer, I keep doing this too and it makes no difference. If you say anything favorable about Trump, you get called stupid.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (2x3L+)

325 Just got back from 13 hours. Am I the only one that feels we here are living it too, but right before the shooting starts?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (hVdx9)

326 So do you guys think Donald Trump has tainted the process? Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2016 08:15 PM (AfsKp) Not sure, but I do know Huma has "processed" Hillary's taint.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (Z8fuk)

327 Exactly like Israel, grammie.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (2cS/G)

328 "Cruz is getting slaughtered in the Iowa press for a mailer he sent out about "voting violations" with actual voter names on it. " As well he should. It's creepy as hell. Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired immediately.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (f3Iw2)

329 Cruz is getting slaughtered in the Iowa press for a mailer he sent out about "voting violations" with actual voter names on it.

Meanwhile , Hillary and Barack exchange classified emails on a private server with national security information. "America is tired of hearing about Hillary's emails."

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:55 PM (SVE9e)

330 Congratulations Grammie! It's a 6 lb 5 oz Swedish Meatball!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 08:53 PM (4ErVI)

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Hey - I would have been thrilled with a 6 lb 5 oz offspring.  Little Winger came out at a nice round 10 pounds.  Skipped the whole "Newborn" outfits we got at the baby shower.  Went straight to the 3-6 months stuff.  He reminded me of the Great Pumpkin.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 03:56 PM (dFi94)

331 You simply get some combination of the National Guard and the US Military and make it their mandate to actually protect the US border instead of foreign nations like South Korea and Saudi Arabia. Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 08:49 PM (A3kYV) Well, there's the whole Posse Comitatus issue Posted by: chemjeff You really think using the military to guard the border is fascist and extremist? We're probably the only nation that doesn't use the military for that purpose. When did that rule get written that somehow our military is allowed to guard other nations' borders but not our own?

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 03:56 PM (A3kYV)

332 312 ChemJeff you misunderstand posse comitatus

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 08:51 PM (RVlUM)


Posse Comitatus prohibits the military from using police powers to enforce the law.


I think it *may* be justifiable to get around Posse Comitatus if you want the military to start enforcing immigration law, but that would be a very dangerous step to take.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:56 PM (5p18q)

333 "Cats are NOT smarter than dogs. Exh. A: https://goo.gl/p6lGZw" *snort*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 03:57 PM (tv9zS)

334 Hey - I would have been thrilled with a 6 lb 5 oz offspring. Little Winger came out at a nice round 10 pounds. Skipped the whole "Newborn" outfits we got at the baby shower. Went straight to the 3-6 months stuff. He reminded me of the Great Pumpkin.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2016 08:56 PM (dFi94)


Bit bigger and he'd have come out with a high school diploma

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 03:57 PM (4ErVI)

335
As well he should. It's creepy as hell. Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired immediately.


The 'voting violation' bit has the touch of the sneaky mailings companies send out to scare seniors.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 03:58 PM (oVJmc)

336 That comment was aimed at those who think the Executive branch can and should have more power than the Legislative branch when it comes to creating and passing laws.





It was aimed at me.


L'Elle -

Seriously, the anti-Trump stuff is approaching BDS levels.

Think I'll go drown myself in Theraflu.

Luego.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 03:58 PM (SVE9e)

337 If you say anything favorable about Trump, you get called stupid. Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 08:55 PM (2x3L+) Questioning how a candidate is going to accomplish his campaign promises is not equal to ad hominem.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 03:58 PM (UnJ7w)

338 You really think using the military to guard the border is fascist and extremist?

I didn't say "fascist and extremist".


I mentioned "the whole Posse Comitatus issue" and you immediately went to "fascist and extremist".


Do you want the military to be enforcing domestic laws?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 03:59 PM (5p18q)

339 Cats are NOT smarter than dogs. Exh. A:

https://goo.gl/p6lGZw
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 08:53 PM (iQIUe)


My big tom does that too. 

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 03:59 PM (q2o38)

340 10 pounds? Bet there was a lot of shouting and swearing *that* night

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 03:59 PM (IXCJi)

341 The 'voting violation' bit has the touch of the sneaky mailings companies send out to scare seniors.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 08:58 PM (oVJmc)


Yeah I think that was it. Everyone knows if you're registered to vote that you'll get stuff in the mail.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 03:59 PM (4ErVI)

342 Trump will win Iowa, he will sweep the table. He will win the presidency in a landslide. How he governs is a mystery but I believe his ego will lead him to govern in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Kahn, that is to say, he will pretty much fuck up the normal working order - And that's a good thing.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 30, 2016 03:59 PM (WVvzl)

343 I think the way they have gotten around Posse Comitatus is by militarizing the police.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 04:00 PM (kKHcp)

344 A mailer I got from Cruz called me Larry. Um, I'm not a Larry. Cruz is still my guy though.

Posted by: Gapoz at January 30, 2016 04:00 PM (ULwRD)

345 The 'voting violation' bit has the touch of the sneaky mailings companies send out to scare seniors.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 08:58 PM (oVJmc)


Yes, I agree.

It is a little underhanded, but it is not exactly unprecedented.

I think Cruz learned from this mistake.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:00 PM (5p18q)

346 Posse Comitatus prohibits the military from using police powers to enforce the law.
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National Guard constantly trains for civil unrest.  Domestic civil unrest.  Which is nothing more than using military power to enforce laws, keep the peace and protect citizens.  I don't see how putting them on the border to protect from illegal activity that harms citizens is any different from that.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:00 PM (dFi94)

347 Posted by: Kreplach at January 30, 2016 08:59 PM (WVvzl)


I think I'll wait for the actual voting to take place.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 04:00 PM (4ErVI)

348 So have I missed anything since this morning?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:01 PM (voOPb)

349 How he governs is a mystery but I believe his ego will lead him to govern in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Kahn, that is to say, he will pretty much fuck up the normal working order - And that's a good thing.


.... until you're the victim of Genghis Trump's wrath

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:01 PM (5p18q)

350 Well, there's the whole Posse Comitatus issue

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:50 PM (5p18q)


Seriously?! It's illegal to keep to stop an invasion however well organized and armed (or not)...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:02 PM (T78UI)

351 Posse comitatus is to prevent the US military from enforcing the laws against citizens, a reaction to Lincolns military courts trying citizen civilians during the civil war. Illegals are not citizens. The national guard can still be used on the border and not violate posse comitatus as it excludes the guard. In addition a president can order military troops to patrol the border in the event of invasion. You could make a pretty good argument that unfettered illegal immigration is invasion.

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:03 PM (RVlUM)

352 National Guard constantly trains for civil unrest. Domestic civil unrest. Which is nothing more than using military power to enforce laws, keep the peace and protect citizens. I don't see how putting them on the border to protect from illegal activity that harms citizens is any different from that.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 09:00 PM (dFi94)


The National Guard is under the control of state governors.  The Posse Comitatus law is a federal law.


There are exceptions to the Posse Comitatus law for instances of actual disasters or terrorism or whatnot.  There is no exception in the law for using the military to enforce domestic immigration law.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:03 PM (5p18q)

353 "A mailer I got from Cruz called me Larry. Um, I'm not a Larry. Cruz is still my guy though." You're "Larry" now. http://tinyurl.com/znfk2cr

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:04 PM (tv9zS)

354 281 'Unwitting Facebook users' is kind of redundant, isn't it? Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 08:41 PM (oVJmc) Does that mean I could be a Facebook user without realizing it?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 04:04 PM (sdi6R)

355 So have I missed anything since this morning?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 09:01 PM (voOPb)

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Chi found a hobo, Cruz stole people's Facebook friends, Trump is a dictator and I'm pregnant. 

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:04 PM (dFi94)

356 an invasion however well organized and armed (or not)... Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 09:02 PM (T78UI) You call it invasion. Jeb! calls it an act of love. Why would you want to stop all that love? /sarc

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:04 PM (UnJ7w)

357 The gap between enforcing domestic law and defending the US from invasion will fade to zero. The military has every right at all times to defend the US from invasion. The term enforcing domestic law will soon not apply.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 04:05 PM (MQEz6)

358 The national guard is specifically excluded from posse comitatus and were used to guard the border during the Bush years

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:05 PM (RVlUM)

359 I think I'll wait for the actual voting to take place.

Reactionary!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:05 PM (oVJmc)

360 >>>>It is not possible to rationally discuss flip flops or past history with any of his supporters<<<<<

So, like the Romney folks in 2012, eh*?

(Practicing Canadianese in case Cruz pulls it out.)

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 30, 2016 04:05 PM (tEDMc)

361 Holy crap Grammie Fishing was fun, catching was horrible

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:06 PM (voOPb)

362 Grammie, That would be a funny topic. I am told that I was well over 11lbs myself, and i was the fourth kid! Late, of course. I have a pic of me at 4 months old, and everyone that sees it says "that baby is about 18 months..." (even my sister that raised me!).

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 04:06 PM (fSuK4)

363 Chi found a hobo, Cruz stole people's Facebook friends, Trump is a dictator and I'm pregnant. Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 09:04 PM (dFi94) Damn...busy day!

Posted by: two of spades (promotion pending) at January 30, 2016 04:06 PM (t4GNF)

364 "Cruz is getting slaughtered in the Iowa press for a mailer he sent out about "voting violations" with actual voter names on it. " As well he should. It's creepy as hell. Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired immediately. Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 08:55 PM (f3Iw2) Noithingburger from what I've read.

Posted by: Joanne's fingers crossed for Cruz at January 30, 2016 04:06 PM (hgBpU)

365 The military can be used to enforce the borders in the event of an invasion. You can use the military on the border

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:07 PM (RVlUM)

366 The national guard is specifically excluded from posse comitatus
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I did not know that, Thunder B.  So there's no reason that they could not be used to protect the borders then, right?

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:07 PM (dFi94)

367
Seriously?! It's illegal to keep to stop an invasion however well organized and armed (or not)...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 09:02 PM (T78UI)


A military invasion being conducted by an enemy state?  No, not illegal to use the military to stop this.


I mean, you all are going down a very dangerous road if you want to use the military to start enforcing domestic laws.  The Posse Comitatus law was passed to *stop* the federal military from imposing its will onto the states.  And now you want to abrogate that?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (5p18q)

368 "and I'm pregnant. Posted by: grammie winger" Congrats! (I thought were waiting to get married, but, oh well.)

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (tv9zS)

369 My babies were all small, except for my last one who was 8lbs 4oz. My oldest was 2lbs 4oz. Course they were all c-sections so it's not like I could tell the difference.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (3DIzJ)

370 Well, I see all the usual suspects that show up when "his" name gets mentioned. Guess I'll be moseying along.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (kKHcp)

371 I mentioned "the whole Posse Comitatus issue" and you immediately went to "fascist and extremist". Do you want the military to be enforcing domestic laws? Posted by: chemjeff Ok wise guy, what did you mean when you dropped that term? Blocking MILLIONS of invaders from foreign nations seems like just about the most perfect use for our military that I can think of. Or we can keep doing the NeoCon strategy of nation building where we spend trillions defending everyone else from invaders

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (A3kYV)

372 I used to have a cat that did exactly that for water out of the tap.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 30, 2016 04:08 PM (VdICR)

373 I have a pic of me at 4 months old, and everyone that sees it says "that baby is about 18 months..." (even my sister that raised me!).

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 09:06 PM (fSuK4)

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Ha!  Sounds like my boy too.  We used to prop him up on the couch and use his fat rolls to keep him upright.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:09 PM (dFi94)

374
TRUMP IS THE FACE OF THE DARK UNDERBELLY OF A HUMANITY THAT CANNOT SEE ITSELF CLEARLY

HE IS A THOUSAND YEAR MAGGOT

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:09 PM (kdS6q)

375 Joanne, it is a nothingburger, because lots of candidates do it, but it *is* annoying, and Cruz shouldn't do it in future states.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:09 PM (IXCJi)

376 Trump pomises Big Ethanol more feeding at the trough to get votes, Cruz sends out creepy mailer to get votes. Yeah, like I'm offended by that mailer.

Posted by: Joanne's fingers crossed for Cruz at January 30, 2016 04:09 PM (hgBpU)

377 This is what happens when you are family!

Posted by: two of spades (promotion denied) at January 30, 2016 04:09 PM (t4GNF)

378 Trumpi From Yuggoth

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (IXCJi)

379 My oldest was 2lbs 4oz.
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Wow Lauren.  How many weeks?

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (dFi94)

380 From what I understand, the current resident of the big white building in DC pulled the same stunt as Cruz and look where it got him.

Posted by: lindafell de spair at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (xVgrA)

381 "I did not know that, Thunder B. So there's no reason that they could not be used to protect the borders then, right?" State guards act at the behest of the Governor as described above until called upon by the Federal government. I think it a great idea for NG to spend their one weekend a month, two weeks per year practicing along the border. Why not?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (tv9zS)

382 " Wow Lauren. How many weeks?" 29, but he was small for that gestational age because my water had broken at 22 weeks and he hadn't grown much past that point.

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (f3Iw2)

383 There are exceptions to the Posse Comitatus law for instances of actual disasters or terrorism or whatnot. There is no exception in the law for using the military to enforce domestic immigration law. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:03 PM (5p18q) So, you couldn't use the military for picking up wetbacks in the Home Depot parking lot, but you sure as hell could use them to shoot fence-climbers right on the border. Because they are foreign infiltrators.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:10 PM (Z8fuk)

384 Posse comitatus was to stop the military from arresting and trying citizen civilians in military tribunals Nothing says the invasion has to be a military invasion from a nation state. By that logic, a nation couldn't stop Al Qaeda or Isis at the border as they do not represent a nation state

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:11 PM (RVlUM)

385 380 From what I understand, the current resident of the big white building in DC pulled the same stunt as Cruz and look where it got him. Posted by: lindafell de spair at January 30, 2016 09:10 PM (xVgrA But I bet the media didn't report it and attack him for it. That is of course always the downside.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 04:11 PM (zt+N6)

386 I assume that at least some of you have left the country at one time or another, seen the precautions taken by other Countries? We are by far the most porous Nation I've seen, and we accept the rapes, murders and thefts that come with accepting completely unaccountable human beings as if it's a punishment we somehow deserve. It's a garbage position, supported by nothing but Utopian shitheadery, yet it's somehow become a valid topic of debate. If you don't Wall it, you don't Own it. That's a law that predates the Constitution by, say, 10 or 20 thousand years, the Founding Fathers were well aware of it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 04:11 PM (2cS/G)

387 I don't know why the army doesn't train for the middle east along the southern border deserts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 04:11 PM (rwI+c)

388 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 09:09 PM (IXCJi) Okay, that was funny.

Posted by: Joanne's fingers crossed for Cruz at January 30, 2016 04:11 PM (hgBpU)

389 Chi found a hobo, Cruz stole people's Facebook friends, Trump is a dictator and I'm pregnant. Posted by: grammie winger ---------------- You got into the Ouzo again, didn't you?

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 04:12 PM (fSuK4)

390 you all are going down a very dangerous road

We promise we'll stop, right after the Abrams Main gun goes thru the glass storefront at local county DNC HQ.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2016 04:12 PM (DL2i+)

391 "I did not know that, Thunder B. So there's no reason that they could not be used to protect the borders then, right?" State guards act at the behest of the Governor as described above until called upon by the Federal government. I think it a great idea for NG to spend their one weekend a month, two weeks per year practicing along the border. Why not? Posted by: Ricardo Kill The National Guard has been used for border duty, there was absolutely no legal problem with that.

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 04:12 PM (A3kYV)

392 I want to watch this Deadpool movie so bad. Or, I want to watch this so bad Deadpool movie. Either way.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:12 PM (IXCJi)

393 Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2016 07:49 PM (JIElb) Based on his id, AmishDude is JEB.

Posted by: WOPR at January 30, 2016 04:12 PM (LTDSy)

394 Blocking MILLIONS of invaders from foreign nations seems like just about the most perfect use for our military that I can think of.

You are rationalizing the desire to use the military by using the word "invaders".  They are not "invaders".  They are not a part of an armed military unit directed by a foreign power to conquer the country.  They are criminals who should be dealt with by using civilian law enforcement. 

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:13 PM (5p18q)

395 @374 LCD hmmm never knew there was such a thing

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:13 PM (voOPb)

396 I type a lot and then erase it. 
If you want to convince me Trump is the best, don't claim other people are calling you stupid.

We've had 8 years of that already, and it hasn't done a whit of good for anyone other than a handful of corrupt politicians and their very, very, very good friends.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 04:13 PM (q2o38)

397 "going down a very dangerous road" The I-10 ?!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:13 PM (IXCJi)

398
29, but he was small for that gestational age because my water had broken at 22 weeks and he hadn't grown much past that point.


We had 28-week twin preemies, 2 lb 12 and 2 lb 3.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:14 PM (oVJmc)

399 You got into the Ouzo again, didn't you?

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 09:12 PM (fSuK4)

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Why do fools fall in love?  Ouzo.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:15 PM (dFi94)

400 'They are not "invaders"' They enter another country against the law. If I enter your house without being asked, and take a dump in your john, and maybe raid the fridge a little then I think you'd call me a home invader

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:15 PM (IXCJi)

401
hmmm never knew there was such a thing
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian




I just adore that quote.

I'm thinking of getting it as a tattoo.  Maybe as a "tramp stamp: on my lower back.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:16 PM (kdS6q)

402 Bush, as President, ordered the national guard on the border before. So did Perry as governor No prob

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:16 PM (RVlUM)

403 Nothing says the invasion has to be a military invasion from a nation state.


Yeah it does, otherwise it's not really an invasion


By that logic, a nation couldn't stop Al Qaeda or Isis at the border as they do not represent a nation state


A "nation" most certainly can decide who legally enters the country and who doesn't.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:16 PM (5p18q)

404 You could make a pretty good argument that unfettered illegal immigration is invasion.

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:03 PM (RVlUM)


The sole reason the military has arms is to prevent others from just walking in unarmed

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (T78UI)

405 Invade: : to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force : to enter (a place) in large numbers : to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted)

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (zt+N6)

406 You are rationalizing the desire to use the military by using the word "invaders". They are not "invaders". They are not a part of an armed military unit directed by a foreign power to conquer the country. They are criminals who should be dealt with by using civilian law enforcement. Posted by: chemjeff Oh please, spare me your outrage The US military can defend the American border, I want to see a judge stop the Commander in Chief from doing that

Posted by: Jim at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (A3kYV)

407 "Why do fools fall in love? Ouzo." I prefer Sambuca. Not as rough as Ouzo, although i've never turned down an Ouzo.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (UnJ7w)

408 "You are rationalizing the desire to use the military by using the word "invaders". They are not "invaders". They are not a part of an armed military unit directed by a foreign power to conquer the country." We like this guy.

Posted by: Sinaloa Cartel at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (tv9zS)

409 Deadpool is the other smart-mouth Canadian.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 30, 2016 04:17 PM (VdICR)

410 barrel for thee

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (IXCJi)

411 Uh oh

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (4ErVI)

412 Bold!

Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (f3Iw2)

413 Ah shit.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (zt+N6)

414 That's Right!!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (UnJ7w)

415 Uh-oh.

Posted by: Sinaloa Cartel at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (tv9zS)

416 Also in bold: Buzzion's invitation to The Barrel.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (4ErVI)

417 Dead man barrellin'.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (oVJmc)

418 I hunger.

Posted by: The Barrel at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (H4GNL)

419 out damned spot

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 30, 2016 04:18 PM (VdICR)

420 They are not a part of an armed military unit directed by a foreign power to conquer the country. They are criminals who should be dealt with by using civilian law enforcement. The same can be said about the 9/11 hijackers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (FkBIv)

421 Well it's not like you'll be able to smell a dead guy in The Barrel.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (4ErVI)

422 Just really freak people out, POTUS could declare martial law on the border and use the military the

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (RVlUM)

423 400 'They are not "invaders"'

They enter another country against the law. If I enter your house without being asked, and take a dump in your john, and maybe raid the fridge a little then I think you'd call me a home invader

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 09:15 PM (IXCJi)


So in your example, do you believe the military should be able to be used to shoot the "home invader"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (5p18q)

424 Didn't know the Barrel hates Sambuca. The More You Know.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (UnJ7w)

425 Some guy trespasses on my property, breaks into my house and claims a percentage of my income, that fucker is an Invader, no matter what Thesaurus you use.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (2cS/G)

426 Well, you're dead already, but I'll still take you in. Try not to stink the place up.

Posted by: The Barrel at January 30, 2016 04:19 PM (fSuK4)

427 : to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force

Yes, and that is the relevant definition when it comes to the context of a military invasion.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:21 PM (5p18q)

428 Ah shit. Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 09:18 PM (zt+N6) Well, the Barrel holds no fear for the undead, so there's that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:21 PM (Z8fuk)

429 426 Some guy trespasses on my property, breaks into my house and claims a percentage of my income, that fucker is an Invader, no matter what Thesaurus you use.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 09:19 PM (2cS/G)


So, okay to call the Army to eject the invader in your scenario?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:21 PM (5p18q)

430 Some guy trespasses on my property, breaks into my house and claims a percentage of my income, that fucker is an Invader, no matter what Thesaurus you use. Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 09:19 PM (2cS/G) Lol and you want this same guy to protect you from foreigners? Oh the power of the all mighty gov't.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:21 PM (UnJ7w)

431 Chi found a hobo, Cruz stole people's Facebook friends, Trump is a dictator and I'm pregnant. Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 09:04 PM LMAO You left out Chi is helping out the hobo, not skinning him, and that your pregnancy is in my imagination.

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 04:22 PM (o/90i)

432 428 : to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force Yes, and that is the relevant definition when it comes to the context of a military invasion. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:21 PM (5p18q) :eyeroll:

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 04:22 PM (zt+N6)

433 Why is the term "invaders" defined as an armed unit from a foreign power?  I don't get that at all.  It is the responsibility of the government to protect its territory and its citizens.  Step One would seem to be so obvious as to not need defining.  We have a line.  On this side is our country.  On that side is your country. Don't cross the line unless we say you can cross the line.  Otherwise, you are an invader.


Self-evident.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:22 PM (dFi94)

434
The Hill

Rent Is Too Damn High Party founder endorses Trump

http://hill.cm/TMUst9x



57 state sweep, here we come!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:22 PM (kdS6q)

435 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:21 PM (5p18q)

The use of the military seems to be appropriate when the designated authority (Border Patrol, etc.) is overwhelmed.

That the country is not being invaded by an organized army is secondary to the reality that it is an invasion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 04:23 PM (Zu3d9)

436 @426 Lincolntf Spot on. Chemjeff is it that time again for your free border plea?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:23 PM (voOPb)

437 "So, okay to call the Army to eject the invader in your scenario?" He didn't say that and you know it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:23 PM (tv9zS)

438
Rent Is Too Damn High Party founder endorses Trump


I wonder what the rent is at Trump Tower.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:23 PM (oVJmc)

439 ChemJeff Show me where "invader" is defined as enemy forces under a nations flag with intent to conquer By your logic, If, on 911, al Qaeda had that plane from Shanksville, and it was heading to the White House, and our military intercepted it, they would not be able to shoot it down

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:23 PM (RVlUM)

440 434 Why is the term "invaders" defined as an armed unit from a foreign power? I don't get that at all. It is the responsibility of the government to protect its territory and its citizens. Step One would seem to be so obvious as to not need defining. We have a line. On this side is our country. On that side is your country. Don't cross the line unless we say you can cross the line. Otherwise, you are an invader. Self-evident. Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 09:22 PM (dFi94) Because its the only way chemjeff can win his stupid poorly thought out trump-deranged argument.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2016 04:24 PM (zt+N6)

441 >>426
Some guy trespasses on my property, breaks into my house and claims a
percentage of my income, that fucker is an Invader, no matter what
Thesaurus you use.

Posted by: Lincolntf


So, okay to call the Army to eject the invader in your scenario?

Posted by: chemjeff


Why? Does the Army hand out body bags?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at January 30, 2016 04:24 PM (W0RfD)

442 Not all invasions are necessarily military. Look at all the camel jockeys invading Europe right now. All "ostensibly" civilians, but they sure as Hell are acting like conquerors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:24 PM (Z8fuk)

443 Bush at 2? 2?!?!?! Holy crap. $100M sure doesn't buy what it used to. I imagine he hangs in until NH but, really - he has to drop out.

Posted by: blaster at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (2Ocf1)

444 Lol and you want this same guy to protect you from foreigners? Oh the power of the all mighty gov't.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 09:21 PM (UnJ7w)


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That one gets me. How about illegal alien women in the military? I'm sure they wouldn't get pregnant or anything.

Posted by: iforgot at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (YOxw1)

445 Yes, Chemjeff,when the civil authorities are overwhelmed, or unwilling to fulfill their duties, that is when I'd want the last line of defense to kick in. Of course, I am my own last line of defense, but watching the Civilian Government systemically betraying their oaths, I'd take the Military over most Police Forces when it comes to Civil Liberties.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (2cS/G)

446 394 They are not "invaders". They are not a part of an armed military unit directed by a foreign power to conquer the country. They are criminals who should be dealt with by using civilian law enforcement. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:13 PM (5p18q) And a government who not only refuses to stop them using laws and procedures already on the books, but actually entices them with welfare benefits is no longer a legitimate government, and we owe it no allegiance.

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (sdi6R)

447 So, okay to call the Army to eject the invader in your scenario?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:21 PM (5p18q)

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Yes.  Because in the first scenario, the invader broke into a private home.  Police matter.  In the second scenario, the invader crossed a national border, and violated a federally protected demarcation. Federal matter.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (dFi94)

448
re: Trump's non-debate fundraiser for vets

Trump campaign donates first $100,000 to "Puppy Jake" Foundation, which provides service dogs to vets with PTSD.



That sonofabitch!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:25 PM (kdS6q)

449 Bush will stay in to spend the donors money attacking the various candidates.  He's little more than a SuperPAC now.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:26 PM (oVJmc)

450 Invasion will take on the meaning needed to end it and reverse it. We are not obligated to see our Nation being destroyed and stand there and do nothing because of what is in a dictionary.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 04:26 PM (MQEz6)

451 How long before this guy resigns? http://tinyurl.com/j8sq8uu

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2016 04:26 PM (8HTq1)

452 This whole conversation is just a deliberate obfuscation on what an "invasion" is.  The colloquial use of the word is not the same as the military use of the word, but you want to muddy the water in order to declare every instance of someone being where they aren't supposed to be an act of military invasion and therefore a justifiable response is to call in the Marines.  That just leads to undermining the whole point of having safeguards against the military exercising police powers in the first place.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:26 PM (5p18q)

453 A military invasion being conducted by an enemy state? No, not illegal to use the military to stop this.
I mean, you all are going down a very dangerous road if you want to use the military to start enforcing domestic laws. The Posse Comitatus law was passed to *stop* the federal military from imposing its will onto the states. And now you want to abrogate that?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:08 PM (5p18q)


Who said it is a military invasion?

Anyone entering another country without permission is an invader. If they are disorganized and unarmed that is their problem...


(rounding up legally admitted 'overstays' is another topic, and is, I agree, not a military mission)

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:26 PM (T78UI)

454 Whew, It's been a busy night delivering shame mail Teddy. In all honesty I was told they were pocket constitutions. When I heard I was actually delivering I stopped of course.

Posted by: Drider at January 30, 2016 04:27 PM (6Xbsz)

455 Those invaders should just have free reign since they really aren't invaders, they were invited?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:28 PM (voOPb)

456 I see plenty of non-Trump voters here, and even *anti*-Trump voters, who aren't up for the "hey let's let everyone in, or at least let's not *do* much about the people who sneak in successfully, other than ask them nicely to leave", platform. chemjeff, your cause (currently) isn't even opposing Trump; it's opposing America's right to have a meaningful border. That is a much harder sell. Just an observation.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:28 PM (IXCJi)

457 The Invaders... http://tinyurl.com/hcbwjj7

Posted by: davidt at January 30, 2016 04:28 PM (8aOqE)

458 " but you want to muddy the water in order to declare every instance of someone being where they aren't supposed to be an act of military invasion and therefore a justifiable response is to call in the Marines" No. It should never get to the point of calling the Marines. It should quelled long before then and it hasn't. By anyone. For a long time and we are pissed as Hell about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:28 PM (tv9zS)

459 Ok, I got four skids of Moral Posturing Formula out back. Can I get so'ome to sign for this?

Posted by: surly trucker guy[/i][/b] at January 30, 2016 04:29 PM (W0RfD)

460 Who said it is a military invasion?Anyone entering another country without permission is an invader. Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 09:26 PM (T78UI) No, actually they are illegal aliens. When they start marching in formations with artillery and start commandeering land then they are Invaders. SMH.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:29 PM (UnJ7w)

461
(rounding up legally admitted 'overstays' is another topic, and is, I agree, not a military mission)

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 09:26 PM (T78UI)


Why not?  Aren't they "invaders"?  You are just undercutting your own argument now.


Why not send in the Army against the illegals?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:29 PM (5p18q)

462 No. It should never get to the point of calling the Marines. It should quelled long before then and it hasn't. By anyone. For a long time and we are pissed as Hell about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 09:28 PM (tv9zS)


People here WANT the Marines to be called against every one who steps across the border.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:30 PM (5p18q)

463 All I said was 1. You misunderstand posse comitatus 2. The national guard can be used on the border, and it was by both Bush and Obama, and 3. A POTUS could declare martial law on the border and use the military to repel illegal immigrants. Bet that last one really freaks you out

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:30 PM (RVlUM)

464 Trump campaign donates first $100,000 to "Puppy Jake" Foundation, which provides service dogs to vets with PTSD.
===============================================



That's so great.  Really such a wonderful cause that actually does something,

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:31 PM (dFi94)

465
daveweigel

The only constant in this election is that if you come after Trump you wake up naked in a half-full ditch wondering how you got there.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:31 PM (kdS6q)

466 "People here WANT the Marines to be called against every one who steps across the border." What does that tell you about the situation?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:31 PM (tv9zS)

467 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:26 PM (5p18q)

I am not sure that Posse Comitatus Act was designed to prevent the military from protecting our borders from an outside force. My interpretation is that it is intended to prevent the use of military force to enforce domestic policy/law.

Protecting the borders is a bit different than that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (Zu3d9)

468 /Personally I'd vote Cruz just from Ace's argument that the field is better off the longer he stays in the race.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (IXCJi)

469 People here WANT the Marines to be called against every one who steps across the border.


No love?

Posted by: State of Emergency at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (SVE9e)

470 Hey everybody, let's all just move to the US and sign up for welfare. Just don't take your guns or move in rank and file. They'll let you right in.  


You guys south of us, yeah you Central America, come on, hop on this train and we'll take you to the gringo border too.


Here's some maps and common phrases, "I demand asylum" always works.

Posted by: Mexico at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (T78UI)

471 chemjeff, your cause (currently) isn't even opposing Trump; it's opposing America's right to have a meaningful border. That is a much harder sell. Just an observation. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 09:28 PM (IXCJi) I can't speak for chemjeff but we are for enforcing the borders too. Just not like you want to with some half-wit who is going to be contra-Constitutional about it. I'm for the rule of law. Or is that out the window because of obama and the progtards?

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (UnJ7w)

472 It's really a wonderment, how many things there are, that I never knew were impossible, until Donald Trump promised to do them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (Z8fuk)

473 @452 how dare he donate his money to a non profit charitable cause?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:32 PM (voOPb)

474 People here WANT the Marines to be called against every one who steps across the border.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:30 PM (5p18q)

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I would have no problem with the National Guard doing just that. Why would that be a negative thing? I don't get it.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:33 PM (dFi94)

475 So, when I lobby for a doggeh thread, I can count Farmer and MisHum as willing authors. Cool. Grammie may have to be coerced into contributing at some point. Got it.

Posted by: The Barrel at January 30, 2016 04:33 PM (fSuK4)

476 Well, there's the whole Posse Comitatus issue Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:50 PM (5p18q) That doesn't apply to the border. That applies to internal law enforcement.

Posted by: WOPR at January 30, 2016 04:33 PM (LTDSy)

477 Why not? Aren't they "invaders"? You are just undercutting your own argument now. Why not send in the Army against the illegals? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:29 PM (5p18q) posse comitatus. To quoteth the wise Commander Adama from Battlestar Gallactica (the new one): "There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:33 PM (AkOaV)

478 chemjeff, your cause (currently) isn't even opposing Trump; it's opposing America's right to have a meaningful border. That is a much harder sell. Just an observation.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 09:28 PM (IXCJi)


I"m not even doing that.  I want the wall to be built.  I want there to be a robust border patrol.  But this is a job for CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT.  It is NOT a military matter.  The military should only be used against organized military campaigns, not by random Mexicans wandering across the border.  I don't want to blur the lines between what is a civilian law enforcement matter and a military matter.  That way only leads to martial law and a military police state.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:34 PM (5p18q)

479 Posse Comitatus is for preventing the use of the military against US citizens. I fail to see how using the military to enforce the border, ie prevent non US citizens from entering the country illegally. is a violation thereof.

Posted by: davidt at January 30, 2016 04:34 PM (8aOqE)

480 People here WANT the Marines to be called against every one who steps across the border. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:30 PM (5p18q) Hey, velociraptors, and crocodiles with tungsten carbide teeth would work, too. And elephants wearing golf cleats. I hear they work for peanuts.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:34 PM (Z8fuk)

481 Somebody is ascared of Marines. Should be afraid of MS-13.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 04:34 PM (2cS/G)

482 That doesn't apply to the border. That applies to internal law enforcement.

Posted by: WOPR at January 30, 2016 09:33 PM (LTDSy)


illegally crossing the border is a domestic law enforcement issue


driving tanks over the border with intent to conquer the country is a military issue

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:35 PM (5p18q)

483 477 Well, there's the whole Posse Comitatus issue Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 08:50 PM (5p18q) That doesn't apply to the border. That applies to internal law enforcement. Posted by: WOPR at January 30, 2016 09:33 PM (LTDSy) Ehhh... It applies to any law enforcement. I'm uncomfortable with blurring those lines any more then they already are. Send ATF / BLM / FBI/ Dept of Edu SWAT teams / anyone to the border to back up border patrol? Sign me up. Military? Uncomfortable with that. may seem like a small distinction, but I think that this is an issue we should all tread lightly on.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:35 PM (AkOaV)

484 They are not invading! They are acting on my love!

Posted by: ¡ jebbie ! at January 30, 2016 04:36 PM (WVsWD)

485 Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:36 PM (RVlUM)

486 480 Posse Comitatus is for preventing the use of the military against US citizens. I fail to see how using the military to enforce the border, ie prevent non US citizens from entering the country illegally. is a violation thereof. Posted by: davidt at January 30, 2016 09:34 PM (8aOqE) no, the law in the US is barring law enforcement from using military members as part of a "posse" to enforce laws. Which, like it or not, immigration LAWS would fall under.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:36 PM (AkOaV)

487 Are we out of actual issues to argue about?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 04:36 PM (rwI+c)

488 486 Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM (RVlUM) I am very, very, uncomfortable with that idea.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:37 PM (AkOaV)

489 The military can secure the border, it best done 5 klicks or so inside Mexico.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2016 04:37 PM (cXiMR)

490 Well, you're dead already, but I'll still take you in. Try not to stink the place up. Posted by: The Barrel at January 30, 2016 09:19 PM Like you don't stink already? BS. And I've NEVER visited the barrel, knock wood. Shit, now I've cursed myself!?!

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 04:37 PM (o/90i)

491 486 Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM (RVlUM) Psst, great idea! I wasn't looking forward to being an Ex-President.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 30, 2016 04:37 PM (UnJ7w)

492 I am not sure that Posse Comitatus Act was designed to prevent the military from protecting our borders from an outside force. My interpretation is that it is intended to prevent the use of military force to enforce domestic policy/law.

Protecting the borders is a bit different than that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 09:32 PM (Zu3d9)


immigration law is a domestic law enforcement issue


there is a qualitative difference between wandering over the border without permission, and driving tanks over the border

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:37 PM (5p18q)

493 >>>> Are we out of actual issues to argue about? Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM (rwI+c) ----- Not until Trump either loses or dies. We'll always have him to talk about.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 04:38 PM (2x3L+)

494 " Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies" TB, I "hired" a lawyer yesterday but I'm not sure he's gonna work out. You available?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:38 PM (tv9zS)

495 But this is a job for CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT. It is NOT a military matter.
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You mean each little town and village along the border should have the sole responsibility of protecting the federal border?  How in the world would small towns be able to staff such an effort?  My mom lived 30 miles north of the border in Arizona for 25 years.  Illegals came up thru her wash practically every night.  Should she have called Sheriff Gordon each night?  That's totally unrealistic.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:38 PM (dFi94)

496 So, okay to call the Army to eject the invader in your scenario?

Posted by: chemjeff


Why? Does the Army hand out body bags?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2016 09:24 PM (W0RfD)
 


They'll scrounge up some sandbags if you ask nice.  Sure, they'll work in a pinch.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:38 PM (T78UI)

497 468 I am not sure that Posse Comitatus Act was designed to prevent the military from protecting our borders from an outside force. My interpretation is that it is intended to prevent the use of military force to enforce domestic policy/law. Protecting the borders is a bit different than that. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 09:32 PM (Zu3d9) Exactly. If we can't use the military to defend the border, then what is the point of having a military in the first place?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 04:39 PM (sdi6R)

498 Do you all really think that Juan and Maria wandering over the border illegally is *no different*, not even qualitatively, than a foreign military power driving tanks over the border?  Really?

Juan and Maria are criminals of course for crossing the border, but it's NOT A MILITARY MATTER

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:39 PM (5p18q)

499 There are federal lands in California right now where foreign drug cartels are running meth labs and growing marijuana crops, ruining the environment by the way, which I hear West Coasters care about. There are border towns where the cops can't do much because they are afraid of the cartels. The cartels are already a military problem in Mexico. Increase the foreign invader population much further than it is already, and it'll become a military problem here anyway, just because the local cops *can't* solve it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:39 PM (IXCJi)

500 483 That doesn't apply to the border. That applies to internal law enforcement. Posted by: WOPR at January 30, 2016 09:33 PM (LTDSy) illegally crossing the border is a domestic law enforcement issue driving tanks over the border with intent to conquer the country is a military issue Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:35 PM (5p18q) Chemjeff I normally respect your posts....but this position.....oh my goodness, you're either goofy or are trolling big time. It's not a domestic law enforcement issue after SCOTUS ruled AZ illegal immigration laws void & null.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:39 PM (voOPb)

501 Obama and his crew said border enforcement was a matter of federal preemption, not the states Hmmmm

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:39 PM (RVlUM)

502 You mean each little town and village along the border should have the sole responsibility of protecting the federal border? How in the world would small towns be able to staff such an effort? My mom lived 30 miles north of the border in Arizona for 25 years. Illegals came up thru her wash practically every night. Should she have called Sheriff Gordon each night? That's totally unrealistic. Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 09:38 PM (dFi94) Well, local, state, and federal law enforcement. Not just bumblefuck, TX's 2 part time cops. But the military is (should be) entirely separate from law enforcement. They exist to blow shit up and kill people. Not enforce laws. We do not want to blur those lines. Ever. (and in a way, we're blurring those lines too much already in Iraq and Afghanistan with "nation building" and not "nation destroying" as the militaries' primary mission)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:40 PM (AkOaV)

503 Exactly. If we can't use the military to defend the border, then what is the point of having a military in the first place?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 09:39 PM (sdi6R)


Protect from a foreign power driving tanks over the border?  Fine.


Protect from illegal aliens wandering over the border with no intent to seize and conquer the nation?  No, that is a matter of domestic law enforcement

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:40 PM (5p18q)

504 Juan and Maria, two people, possibly married, no threat. The actual invasion is being carried out by many hundreds of thousands. chemjeff is using rhetoric again.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 04:40 PM (IXCJi)

505 "Juan and Maria are criminals of course for crossing the border, but it's NOT A MILITARY MATTER" Juan and Maria.....X 100,000?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:41 PM (tv9zS)

506 489 486 Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies
Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM (RVlUM)

I am very, very, uncomfortable with that idea.




O rly?

Posted by: Every Flood, Tornado, Blizzard, Hurricane, Riot, Ice Storm, Terrorist Attack and Wildfire In Recent at January 30, 2016 04:41 PM (SVE9e)

507 It's not a domestic law enforcement issue after SCOTUS ruled AZ illegal immigration laws void & null.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 09:39 PM (voOPb)


No, it is still a domestic law enforcement issue, it is just pre-empted by federal laws according to SCOTUS.  I don't agree with that decision myself but it doesn't mean that the military should be called in

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:42 PM (5p18q)

508 I don't think you can ever convince me it's a wise choice for conservatives to not participate Posted by: Kal at January 30, 2016 08:17 PM (HA9zO) When you vote for people who are the problem, you become the problem. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. No thanks.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 04:42 PM (heN73)

Posted by: Every Flood, Tornado, Blizzard, Hurricane, Riot, Terrorist Attack and Wildfire In Recent Memory at January 30, 2016 04:42 PM (SVE9e)

510 The Feds will not let any other party secure the border. The Feds refuse to secure the border. So, I guess we just have to stand here and let the invasion continue unaffected.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (MQEz6)

511 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:37 PM (5p18q)

I am aware of that.

We simply disagree. And I am well aware of the potential for significant damage to our civil liberties if the military is involved with border protection.

But the argument can be made that the border is a responsibility of the military.

If these people were crossing in airplanes at 35,000 ft. instead of SUVs and on foot, would you feel differently?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (Zu3d9)

512 505 Juan and Maria, two people, possibly married, no threat. The actual invasion is being carried out by many hundreds of thousands. chemjeff is using rhetoric again. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 30, 2016 09:40 PM (IXCJi) No, he's right on this one. This is not the 38th parallel. We should absolutely enforce our immigration laws and protect our border. Federal law enforcement should be used for that. But military troops should not have a law enforcement mission. Ever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (AkOaV)

513 A second look at landmine? We could let DHS scatter them then it would be Constutional.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (cXiMR)

514
Speaking on the frosted tundra of the Dubuque, Iowa regional airport, Donald Trump returned to Iowa to a hero's welcome as his hulking Boeing 757 staged a dramatic flyby before landing on a tiny airstrip in front of nearly 1,000 cheering supporters.

His campaign staff blared the theme music from the film 'Air Force One' as the plane, sporting massive letters spelling 'TRUMP,' zoomed past at low altitude and then climbed again, only to circle the airport before finally touching down.

Trump then offered children the chance to run through the airplane.

DailyMail

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (kdS6q)

515 493 immigration law is a domestic law enforcement issue Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:37 PM (5p18q) And what if the Federal government REFUSES TO ENFORCE THE LAW? I guess we're down to private citizens going to the border and shooting illegals themselves, because I can't see any other alternative.

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 04:43 PM (sdi6R)

516 Hey everybody Tell me who are our bundes politzei? Who are our "federal police" that you are expecting to enforce the borders? We ain't Mexico, or Germany or Turkey. We do not have "federal police"

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (RVlUM)

517 "No, that is a matter of domestic law enforcement" Then Enforce The Fucking Law. Now. Good and Hard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (tv9zS)

518 I dunno, but Juan and Maria and twelve of their closest friends seemed to "wander" thru my mom's backyard 6 nights out of 7, for about 15 years.  That's a lot of wanderers.  Sometimes they wandered thru her lemon trees and grapefruit trees, and stripped them bare.  While they were wandering. Night after night with the wandering.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (dFi94)

519 Wait someone here is HELPING a hobo?


Pretty sure that's a platinum membership revocation right there.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (4ErVI)

520 Juan and Maria are criminals of course for crossing the border, but it's NOT A MILITARY MATTER Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:39 PM (5p18q) And when it's not Juan and Maria, but Omar and Tasmeen, and they are toting AK-47s and sporting bomb vests? You do know, don't you, that there have been muzzie jihadis inserting themselves into that stream of wetbacks? They have found korans and prayer rugs along the coyote trails. And not all military invasions have to be goose-stepping storm troopers dressed in feldgrau. A would-be invader could have his troops pose as civilians sneaking in for benefits. Have you read no history at all?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (Z8fuk)

521 *sigh*

Posted by: State of Emergency (Constitutional) at January 30, 2016 04:44 PM (SVE9e)

522 Ignore this. Just taking off this disgusting sock...

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 04:45 PM (fSuK4)

523 Cruz's latest get-out-the-vote effort just killed his chances in Iowa. I know if I got something like that in the mail I would either change my vote or abstain. I'm still a Cruz supporter but he screwed up big time with this blunder ("Cruz vote shame Iowa residents by name..." over at Drudge).

We're gonna get stuck with Trump.

Posted by: SGT York at January 30, 2016 04:45 PM (Tww1Y)

524 358 The national guard is specifically excluded from posse comitatus and were used to guard the border during the Bush years Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:05 PM (RVlUM) Yes, and more recently, but they weren't allowed to actually catch or handle illegals. They just did things to free up the border agents, like acting as lookouts and fixing the fence in El Paso that was cut up by the illegals every night.

Posted by: stace at January 30, 2016 04:45 PM (CoX6k)

525 "Tell me who are our bundes politzei? Who are our "federal police" that you are expecting to enforce the borders?" Customs and Border Patrol. Throw in the Coast Guard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:45 PM (tv9zS)

526 Hope your neck of the woods doesn't have tornados, etc chemjeff. Because Red Cross duties shouldn't be handled by national guard

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:46 PM (voOPb)

527 LAZER TEAM Four unlikely heroes have to save the planet. Whether we like it or not.

Posted by: James T Kirk at January 30, 2016 04:46 PM (e8kgV)

528 And what if the Federal government REFUSES TO ENFORCE THE LAW? I guess we're down to private citizens going to the border and shooting illegals themselves, because I can't see any other alternative. Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 09:43 PM (sdi6R) Well that's a different issue. I don't know the answer there, other than "... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

529 Neither a President Trump nor a President Cruz is going to solve the border issue, not matter what they say. Only Congress can fix this as prescribed by the Constitution. We have to keep working at it and getting the right people in. Although there is this thing in the Constitution called Article V. Shhhhhh. *whispering* Just don't say it too loud or the liberals will hijack it. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:46 PM (UnJ7w)

530 504 Exactly. If we can't use the military to defend the border, then what is the point of having a military in the first place? Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 09:39 PM (sdi6R) Protect from a foreign power driving tanks over the border? Fine. Protect from illegal aliens wandering over the border with no intent to seize and conquer the nation? No, that is a matter of domestic law enforcement Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:40 PM (5p18q) Wow, you know their intent and you have defined what they do just so, just right so that your argument may stand.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 04:46 PM (MQEz6)

531 If these people were crossing in airplanes at 35,000 ft. instead of SUVs and on foot, would you feel differently?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 09:43 PM (Zu3d9)


No, why should I?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (5p18q)

532 527 Hope your neck of the woods doesn't have tornados, etc chemjeff. Because Red Cross duties shouldn't be handled by national guard Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 09:46 PM (voOPb) I agree with you. They should not. Separate issue -- handing out water is not law enforcement -- but I do not think that is the role of the military either. Either here or abroad.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (AkOaV)

533 Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:44 PM (RVlUM)

Border patrol. DEA. National Park Police. FBI

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (Zu3d9)

534 358 The national guard is specifically excluded from posse comitatus and were used to guard the border during the Bush years Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:05 PM (RVlUM) Some of the ranches that can afford it have Blackwater-type security.

Posted by: stace at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (CoX6k)

535 If a uniformed Army had committed as many killings in the US as illegal immigrants have, and kept body counts, the body count would surely surpass the total of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined, but they weren't wearing matching blouses, so they get a free pass from the Military to continue to "enter" our Country at will, then kill, rob and retreat. The temptation to entrust Public Employee Union members with safeguarding our borders is one I'll never understand.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (2cS/G)

536 When Bill Clinton was president , he increased the number of Border Patrol agents to 10,000.



10,000.


How's that civilian law enforcement working out for you?

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 04:47 PM (SVE9e)

537 No, why should I?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:47 PM (5p18q)

Okay........

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2016 04:48 PM (Zu3d9)

538 I've ignored all the rat talk on Cruz till I saw that mailer with voters names on it.

He should know better.


Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 04:48 PM (ct0K5)

539
TheWrap

@realDonaldTrump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Defaced With Swastika

http://goo.gl/7WAICU 



And that's what they're reduced to.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:48 PM (kdS6q)

540 Then Enforce The Fucking Law. Now. Good and Hard. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 09:44 PM (tv9zS) This is the only thing we can realistically expect the next Republican president to do. I just don't see the GOPe in Congress going along with funding the wall.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:49 PM (UnJ7w)

541 The national guard is specifically excluded from posse comitatus and were used to guard the border during the Bush years Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:05 PM (RVlUM) You know that's not -- exactly -- true. Coast Guard is exempt from posse comitatus. National guard is NOT exempt if called up by the president. If they're called up by the governor (in their role as a "state militia (ahem)), then they are exempt, with a lot of asterisks.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:49 PM (AkOaV)

542 (rounding up legally admitted 'overstays' is another topic, and is, I agree, not a military mission)


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 09:26 PM (T78UI)

Why not? Aren't they "invaders"? You are just undercutting your own argument now.
Why not send in the Army against the illegals?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:29 PM (5p18q)


Those legally admitted presented themselves for inspection at the border Customs and Immigration Inspection Station and were granted permission to enter. IF they violate the terms of their admission they are 'out of status' and have a number of avenues do address the situation. 


We are talking about people crossing the border without presenting themselves for inspection or getting permission. 


Some people may pretend not be capable of distinguishing the difference.

I think they lie and are the enemy inside.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:50 PM (T78UI)

543 << I've ignored all the rat talk on Cruz till I saw that mailer with voters names on it.

He should know better.>>

Anyone should know better. That's Tamany Hall style voter intimidation right there. Cruz finally gets me to come around to his support and he pulls this? AND refuses to apologize.

Posted by: SGT York at January 30, 2016 04:51 PM (Tww1Y)

544 Here's hoping CDR M ONT is early This fucking let em invade us bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 04:51 PM (voOPb)

545 All this silly posse comitatus talk is simply clouding the issue:  Exactly how many ways is Donald Trump worse than Hitler?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:51 PM (oVJmc)

546 lets reverse engineer this. The laws are on the books, how do we compel the executive to enforce what is a federal issue

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:51 PM (RVlUM)

547 Tell me who are our bundes politzei? Who are our "federal police" that you are expecting to enforce the borders? We ain't Mexico, or Germany or Turkey. We do not have "federal police" Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:44 PM (RVlUM) errr... what exactly does the FBI do then? ATF? DEA? Dept of Education SWAT teams? Dept of Fisheries? BLM? Border Patrol? ICE? IRS? (ahem) etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:51 PM (AkOaV)

548 3. A POTUS could declare martial law on the border and use the military to repel illegal immigrants. Bet that last one really freaks you out

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:30 PM (RVlUM)


See, no wall appropriation act needed.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 04:52 PM (T78UI)

549 547 lets reverse engineer this. The laws are on the books, how do we compel the executive to enforce what is a federal issue Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:51 PM (RVlUM) Well that's a different issue alltogether. I don't know the answer to that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:52 PM (AkOaV)

550 If my dog trusts him, then I think I can. ? Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 08:45 PM (fSuK4) You said above your dog was kinda freaked out. It can't be both.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 04:52 PM (heN73)

551 Well, this is a goodern.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:52 PM (tv9zS)

552 529 I don't know the answer there, other than "... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security" Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 09:46 PM (AkOaV) Quite right. Substitute "going to DC" for "going to the border" in my previous comment. The illegals are only a symptom; they're not the real problem.

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 04:53 PM (sdi6R)

553 545 Here's hoping CDR M ONT is early This fucking let em invade us bullshit is just that. Bullshit. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 09:51 PM (voOPb) It's not that federal law enforcement lacks the tools, personnel, money, etc to enforce the law. It's that they are told to (figuratively) "stand down." So... military or DEA / ATF / FBI/ whoever... if they're told not to act, then... I dont know

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:54 PM (AkOaV)

554 To stop illegal aliens from the south stop giving them free stuff.

Stop giving them free stuff and they will go home.  Also, it would be a benefit to the budget instead of a huge wall of deficit.



Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 04:54 PM (ct0K5)

555 I just don't see the GOPe in Congress going along with funding the wall. Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 09:49 PM (UnJ7w) --- You may be overlooking a president's will and skill at going over their heads. This is what Reagan did to pass his key initiatives. Congress was filled at the time with the same percentage of cowardly feckless politicians. It always is. Reagan put the fear of God into them. Trump can do the same thing.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 30, 2016 04:55 PM (s/yC1)

556 And it is this whole frustrating discussion which is just a microcosm of the larger primary season that has been so dispiriting to me.  People willing to throw away very important, very grand principles in favor of what they believe to be some short-term gain.

You don't give police powers to the military.  Because once you do, you are on the fast-track to a military police state.

If law enforcement doesn't do its job, the answer isn't to just throw out the baby with the bathwater.  The answer is for law enforcement to do its fucking job.

To be honest I am closer and closer everyday for going full-on Libertarian.  Except the guys at Reason are a bunch of pretentious dicks, and not nearly as fun and friendly at you all.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 04:55 PM (5p18q)

557 "So... military or DEA / ATF / FBI/ whoever... if they're told not to act, then... I dont know" Thus, we find ourselves.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 04:56 PM (tv9zS)

558 Does the mailer say endorsed or approved by Cruz? Then why assume he did it as oppose to a local campaign worker who exercised questionable judgement?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 04:56 PM (iQIUe)

559 Are we out of actual issues to argue about? Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM Hell no, I like ketchup and sauerkraut on my hot dogs. Also sharp ceddar cheese from WI. 7 yo extra sharp rocks!

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 04:57 PM (o/90i)

560 547 lets reverse engineer this. The laws are on the books, how do we compel the executive to enforce what is a federal issue Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 09:51 PM (RVlUM) The president swears to uphold the Constitution and execute the laws of the land. For any normal US loving president this wouldn't be a problem. Problem is barack odickface decided to set a nasty precedent and not enforce the laws of the nation. He should have been impeached and removed from office to prevent this from happening in the future. I believe in the end there is going to be a nasty revolution or rebellion, depending on who wins. It happens all the time. Hell, it happened to my father's country in 1979. Pandora's Box has already been opened.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:57 PM (UnJ7w)

561 557 And it is this whole frustrating discussion which is just a microcosm of the larger primary season that has been so dispiriting to me. People willing to throw away very important, very grand principles in favor of what they believe to be some short-term gain. You don't give police powers to the military. Because once you do, you are on the fast-track to a military police state. If law enforcement doesn't do its job, the answer isn't to just throw out the baby with the bathwater. The answer is for law enforcement to do its fucking job. To be honest I am closer and closer everyday for going full-on Libertarian. Except the guys at Reason are a bunch of pretentious dicks, and not nearly as fun and friendly at you all. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:55 PM (5p18q) Or you are wrong.

Posted by: eman at January 30, 2016 04:57 PM (MQEz6)

562 Thus, we find ourselves. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 09:56 PM (tv9zS) Right. I get it. but if they refuse to have the people whose job it is do their job, how does using military as law enforcement (a prospect with all kinds of possible scary outcomes) change anything when the same people who tell law enforcement not to do their job will be telling the military not to secure the border either?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:57 PM (AkOaV)

563 Does the mailer say endorsed or approved by Cruz?

According to the NYT, the campaign has confirmed it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (oVJmc)

564 Hell no, I like ketchup and sauerkraut on my hot dogs. UNCLEAN!!! UNCLEAN!!!!!!1!

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (ntObR)

565 545 Here's hoping CDR M ONT is early ---------------------- I'll second that motion. It's 10 o'clock on a Saturday night - can we talk about boobies or something?

Posted by: The Barrel at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (fSuK4)

566 I don't like sharp rocks.

Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (ct0K5)

567 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:55 PM (5p18q) Second that emotion!

Posted by: April at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (79ZSg)

568 Sick of these bogus arguments by people who hate trump. They are lame and repeating them doesnt make them any less stupid. Sheesh! Is this what the place is going to be like for the next 6 months???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (iQIUe)

569 Hey everybody. J/k Farmer. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (ntObR)

570 @530

Our problem is not that we don't have sufficient laws, responsible agencies or actors to secure the homeland and interior from the current foreign invasion, it's that the actors do not wish to act, the responsible agencies are being held back and the laws are simply not being enforced and are being undermined by the unconstitutional acts of the current President.

Their is only one candidate that has expressly and forcefully stated that he will act to stop this invasion.

There is simply only one choice in this election....

Trump/Sessions 2016 - Fuck You, WAR!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at January 30, 2016 04:58 PM (WVvzl)

571 Except the guys at Reason are a bunch of pretentious dicks, and not nearly as fun and friendly at you all. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:55 PM (5p18q) Amen to that, they are a nasty lot albeit funny at times.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (UnJ7w)

572 How do you compel domestic law enforcement agencies to deport and enforce the border when the executive will not allow it Cutting off benefits will not stop the hordes running drugs, whores and identity theft rings from flocking to the US We still need a wall. Ralph you live on the border?

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (RVlUM)

573 According to the NYT, the campaign has confirmed it. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 09:58 PM (oVJmc) ========== Confirmed what?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (iQIUe)

574 569 Sick of these bogus arguments by people who hate trump. They are lame and repeating them doesnt make them any less stupid. Sheesh! Is this what the place is going to be like for the next 6 months??? Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 09:58 PM (iQIUe) I'm trump agnostic. I've defended him often from unfair attacks. I'm not talking about Trump here at all.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (AkOaV)

575
The Cruz campaign confirmed the mailers had originated from the campaign and said there was nothing inappropriate about the materials.

Speaking to reporters on Saturday evening in Sioux City, Mr. Cruz said he would "apologize to nobody for using every tool we can to encourage Iowa voters to come out and vote."



And -- he's done.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (kdS6q)

576 495 " Psst. The constitution allows for the imposition of martial law in emergencies" TB, I "hired" a lawyer yesterday but I'm not sure he's gonna work out. You available? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 09:38 PM (tv9zS) What did you expect after you left those explosives out front? Kinda hard to maintain professional objectivity after something like that.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 30, 2016 04:59 PM (kpqmD)

577 "To stop illegal aliens from the south stop giving them free stuff."

We in Commiefornia tried just that back in the 1990s.

A black-robed radical on the federal bench said we had no choice in the matter and ordered us to continue to disburse the free stuff.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 05:00 PM (noWW6)

578 Well, if the NYT says it, it's got to be true.


Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 05:00 PM (ct0K5)

579 545 Here's hoping CDR M ONT is early This fucking let em invade us bullshit is just that. Bullshit. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2016 09:51 PM (voOPb) Yes indeed. Nothing worse then a 'constitutional scholar' concerned with running aground in 3.000 ft of water and unable to surface because he might hit a rowboat that could leave someone hurt, or worse, offended!

Posted by: two of spades (promotion denied) at January 30, 2016 05:00 PM (t4GNF)

580 "Right. I get it. but if they refuse to have the people whose job it is do their job, how does using military as law enforcement (a prospect with all kinds of possible scary outcomes) change anything when the same people who tell law enforcement not to do their job will be telling the military not to secure the border either?" It's top-down instruction.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (tv9zS)

581 Exactly. If we can't use the military to defend the border, then what is the point of having a military in the first place?

Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 09:39 PM (sdi6R) 


THUD

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (T78UI)

582
but if they refuse to have the people whose job it is do their job, how does using military as law enforcement (a prospect with all kinds of possible scary outcomes) change anything when the same people who tell law enforcement not to do their job will be telling the military not to secure the border either?

"A government that drives it's  civilian populace out of their own country, penniless and starving is a Human Rights Violation(tm)."

We have declared wars for MUCH less.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (SVE9e)

583 Their is only one candidate that has expressly and forcefully stated that he will act to stop this invasion.

Trump is in favor of touchback amnesty.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (5p18q)

584 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 09:58 PM (iQIUe) Please give an example of a bogus argument against Trump.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (UnJ7w)

585 Trump is a product that we've seen in real life for decades, he puts out a new commercial (his campaign) and all of a sudden he's a different product? I don't buy it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2016 05:01 PM (2cS/G)

586 A black-robed radical on the federal bench said we had no choice in the matter and ordered us to continue to disburse the free stuff. Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 10:00 PM (noWW6) ============== A big problem is that the state would never appeal a 9th circuit ruling and would just role over.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 05:02 PM (iQIUe)

587 "A government that drives it's civilian populace out of their own country, penniless and starving is a Human Rights Violation(tm)." We have declared wars for MUCH less. Aye. Mexico is a failed narco-state. It could use a like nation building with fire and sword.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 05:02 PM (rwI+c)

588
According to the NYT, the campaign has confirmed it.

Confirmed what?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!



That Cruz carries around a jar of Heinz Beef Gravy to dip his french fries in. Has a special pocket sewn into his suit inside left to hold it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 05:02 PM (kdS6q)

589 Yeah, that mailer is absolutely terrible, and then Cruz defends it... Ugh. Ugh. What the hell.

Posted by: Locarno at January 30, 2016 05:02 PM (oaHu2)

590 Wait .. we are talking about Mexico here, yes? No the US, right?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 05:02 PM (rwI+c)

591 Trump is in favor of touchback amnesty. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:01 PM (5p18q) 585 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 09:58 PM (iQIUe) Please give an example of a bogus argument against Trump. Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:01 PM (UnJ7w) Heh!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:03 PM (Z8fuk)

592
Confirmed what?


Confirmed it as coming from the campaign.

"The Cruz campaign confirmed the mailers had originated from the campaign and said there was nothing inappropriate about the materials."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zwojwwo

I'm not of the opinion that it's illegal (unless it's meant to intimate it's an official document), but it sure is tone-deaf.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 05:03 PM (oVJmc)

593 "To stop illegal aliens from the south stop giving them free stuff."

We in Commiefornia tried just that back in the 1990s.

A black-robed radical on the federal bench said we had no choice in the matter and ordered us to continue to disburse the free stuff.
.Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 10:00 PM (noWW6)


I'll take confirmation in that.
The only thing necessary is a President with the fortitude to make it happen.




Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 05:03 PM (ct0K5)

594 Trump is a product that we've seen in real life for decades, he puts out a new commercial (his campaign) and all of a sudden he's a different product? I don't buy it. "Trump brand Dessert Topping: Not just for waxing floors anymore!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 30, 2016 05:03 PM (ntObR)

595 Please give an example of a bogus argument against Trump. Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:01 PM (UnJ7w) ======= Please give me legal authority that says federal troops cant patrol the border against invaders?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (iQIUe)

596 The only constant in this election is that if you come after Trump you wake up naked in a half-full ditch wondering how you got there.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 09:31 PM (kdS6q)


Trump also will take out ex-allies.  So if you are a supporter, make sure your support never flags.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (q2o38)

597 Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 09:55 PM (5p18q) You know who else though the guys at Reason were a bunch of pretentious dicks?

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (UnJ7w)

598 "What did you expect after you left those explosives out front? Kinda hard to maintain professional objectivity after something like that." Uh-oh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (tv9zS)

599 Shit. I tried to de-sock, but I guess it didn't work? Blano, Dog is weirded out that someone is in the house, period. Not necessarily this guy, just ANYone other than me is new to him.

Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (fSuK4)

600 Trump is a product that we've seen in real life for decades, he puts out a new commercial (his campaign) and all of a sudden he's a different product? I don't buy it.

NOW WITH ELECTROLYTES!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (oVJmc)

601 473 It's really a wonderment, how many things there are, that I never knew were impossible, until Donald Trump promised to do them. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 09:32 PM (Z8fuk) --------- This ^^^^ is the only post in this entire thread that has made any sense. Fuck an A

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (rZJS9)

602 I say we refight the War of Ketchup Aggression against Steak Sauce. How it got that name is beyond me when the first shot was fired by a Sauceist.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois Dump Trump! Luze with Cruz! at January 30, 2016 05:04 PM (WVsWD)

603 How is that bogus?

Trump IS in favor of touchback amnesty.

He wants to deport all the illegals and then let all the "good ones" back in.

That is touchback amnesty.

Furthermore it's also a very stupid way to do amnesty.  If you are going to grant people amnesty, why go through the trouble to deport them in the first place?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (5p18q)

604 NOW WITH ELECTROLYTES! It's what plants crave.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (rwI+c)

605 Tim, actually ketchup is a great base for steak sauce. You just add some thyme and worcester and then you... **BANG** ((qdpsteve drops to floor))

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (ntObR)

606 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 10:03 PM (oVJmc) ========== The campaign is not cruz. As I already said, he designates people to do the work.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (iQIUe)

607
You know who else though the guys at Reason were a bunch of pretentious dicks?

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:04 PM (UnJ7w)


ha yeah, those comment threads are often amusing

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (5p18q)

608 Please give me legal authority that says federal troops cant patrol the border against invaders? Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 10:04 PM (iQIUe) What does that have to do with Trump? I thought he wanted to build a wall? Unless I missed him saying he was going to put the military on the border.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:05 PM (UnJ7w)

609 I say we refight the War of Ketchup Aggression against Steak Sauce. How it got that name is beyond me when the first shot was fired by a Sauceist. Posted by: Tim in Illinois Dump Trump! Luze with Cruz! at January 30, 2016 10:04 PM The flying Saucers are armed and dangerous, oh my!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:06 PM (Z8fuk)

610
A big problem is that the state would never appeal a 9th circuit ruling and would just role over.


Because it doesn't want to overturn it.

The Ruling Class wants more compliant proles.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 30, 2016 05:06 PM (oVJmc)

611 Okay, this place is redundant and boring. See you on the night shift.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 05:07 PM (iQIUe)

612 Aye. Mexico is a failed narco-state. It could use a like nation building with fire and sword. Posted by: Grump928(C)


And with 9 bombers and the Obama-crippled state of our armed forces, we MIGHT just win.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:07 PM (SVE9e)

613 609 Please give me legal authority that says federal troops cant patrol the border against invaders?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 10:04 PM (iQIUe)


Okay, so suppose we have the Army patrolling the border looking for illegals.

A good soldier spots some unarmed illegals running across the border.  What should he do?  Shoot them?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:07 PM (5p18q)

614 That is touchback amnesty. Furthermore it's also a very stupid way to do amnesty. If you are going to grant people amnesty, why go through the trouble to deport them in the first place? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:05 PM (5p18q) That's how you define "touchback amnesty", which is a meaningless term to most people.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (Z8fuk)

615 Furthermore it's also a very stupid way to do amnesty. If you are going to grant people amnesty, why go through the trouble to deport them in the first place? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:05 PM (5p18q) the vast majority will not go through the effort to come back. They're just here for the "easy money." they plan to work for a decade or two, then retire to Guatemala or Mexico and live with some means.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (AkOaV)

616 Well, tomorrow is the Sabbath day, so I'm going to forget about things over which I have no control, and prepare my heart for the only One who does.  Have a wonderful evening, and try not to clobber each other over the head more than seventeen times. G'night, people in my computer whom I love

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (dFi94)

617 ha yeah, those comment threads are often amusing Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:05 PM (5p18q) I love it when Tony or American Socialist post garbage and get ripped to shreds by the Libertarians. Always makes my day. I just can't go for the Freedom of movement/open borders thing. That's the only main thing keeping me from becoming full on Libertarian.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (UnJ7w)

618 My take on Cruz is that he is a very intellectual man and when faced with a problem, analyzes it, dissects it and comes up with the most efficient solution; a very rational way of doing things. Problem is most folks are driven by emotion and feelings and I think Cruz has a harder time than Trump appreciating that and tapping into it. This voter shaming flyers for instance, it could have been done differently - a gentler, more encouraging rather than shaming the lax voter.

Posted by: IC at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (+3RH+)

619 chemjeff, do you have friends or loved ones that are illegal?

Posted by: concrete girl at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (0KgAM)

620 *sends qdpsteve some smelling salts through the USB port*

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (5p18q)

621 But military troops should not have a law enforcement mission. Ever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 09:43 PM (AkOaV)


Tell that to the MPs when you try to run the gate or jump the fence at a military installation... and never ever cross that red line (the one signs posted saying they can and will use lethal force to any who cross it).


/i know you weren't entirely literal

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 05:08 PM (T78UI)

622 Okay, so suppose we have the Army patrolling the border looking for illegals. A good soldier spots some unarmed illegals running across the border. What should he do? Shoot them? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:07 PM (5p18q) Better example: Army is patrolling the border and they spot a rancher growing pot on his property (or some other clearly civilian crime.) What do they do?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 05:09 PM (AkOaV)

623 620 chemjeff, do you have friends or loved ones that are illegal?

Posted by: concrete girl at January 30, 2016 10:08 PM (0KgAM)


Not to my knowledge, why do you ask?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:09 PM (5p18q)

624
Well, if the NYT says it, it's got to be true.
Posted by: Ralph



Exact same direct quote at the Weekly Standard:

http://tinyurl.com/jq45ss7

Need anything else?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2016 05:09 PM (kdS6q)

625 I am in DC at a thing that is swimming with pols, CEOs and lobbyists. And they all want amnesty and open borders. And Scott Walker is there. And Reince Prebius To hell with them all

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:09 PM (RVlUM)

626 Good night grammie see you tomorrow

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:10 PM (5p18q)

627 Nite Grammie.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 30, 2016 05:10 PM (H4GNL)

628 A good soldier spots some unarmed illegals running across the border. What should he do? Shoot them? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:07 PM (5p18q) Yes. They are infiltrators. Shoot.To.Kill. You really wouldn't have to kill very many before word got out that sneaking across the border was not a life-enhancing maneuver.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:10 PM (Z8fuk)

629 Always enjoy these doom-fraught pronouncements. Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to conservatism, by smuggling it in under his populism rather than see it aborted by unelectable over-preachment, or subverted by RINOism. No, he won't do or say everything according to the Conservative Doctrine, but he'll make patriotic pragmatism fashionable again, which is one step away from conservatism. Posted by: rrpjr at January 30, 2016 08:18 PM (s/yC1) I live in an area with a lot of Blue Dog or Reagan Democrats and with only a few exceptions(80 year olds), they are virtually all planning to vote for Trump, with Cruz as #2. All of them. They know as well as I do , that Trump is not going to be Mr.Super Conservative. That is his appeal, actually. I already know I am voting for someone who is going to do some big things very much in favor of restoring my country into a place of freedom and making it more secure. He is also going to do some things to piss me off. I have to accept that and I am willing to do so in order to begin to turn the ship around. Trump may use his own pen and phone to reverse some of Obama's EO, but he is more likely to work with Congress to get legislation passed or defeated than Obama. He will begin to whittle away at what great damage has been done by Obama and the Democrats. He is no more going to do a complete reversal on what has happened to this country in four years than Cruz can do. He'll be honest about it, and I believe that he will be able to have negotiating skills that lawyer Cruz does not have. I will certainly vote for Cruz if he was the nominee, but I can pretty much bet that isn't going to happen. So I'll be thrilled when the Donald nominates him for AG.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 30, 2016 05:11 PM (TKQrK)

630 "Mexico is a failed narco-state"

My favorite: when Bill Clinton ordered that members of the Mexican military be brought to the U.S. and given the full array of secret special operations training.

This would, Clinton said, let the Mexican government get the upper hand on Mexico's narcotics cartels.

Instead, as soon as these guys got back down south, they all defected from the government and started working for the cartels as highly skilled assassins. Then they struck out on their own and formed an entirely new narcotraficante cartel, Los Zetas.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2016 05:12 PM (noWW6)

631 Shoot.To.Kill. You really wouldn't have to kill very many before word got out that sneaking across the border was not a life-enhancing maneuver. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 10:10 PM (Z8fuk) Man that's easier said than done. Hell our boys come home from Iraq/Afganistan all fucked up from killing legitimate enemies. Imagine killing wetbacks to prove a point. Wow.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:13 PM (UnJ7w)

632
That's how you define "touchback amnesty", which is a meaningless term to most people.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 10:08 PM (Z8fuk)


Look, according to his own son, Trump IS proposing touchback amnesty.


https://www.aei.org/publication/message-to-the-gop-trump-supports-amnesty/

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:13 PM (5p18q)

633 There is a deterrent effect when unarmed people are faced with a wall and an armed man behind it. They tend to give up the attempt to cross

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:14 PM (RVlUM)

634 Great post Jen. Thanks.

Posted by: Drider at January 30, 2016 05:14 PM (6Xbsz)

635 They are coming across the river, now, with almost full support of the of the Fed.  If that were reversed incoming would be greatly reduced.
 


Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 05:15 PM (ct0K5)

636 Wow, I cannot believe people think the military should not be able to enforce our border.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 30, 2016 05:15 PM (chkUd)

637
Yes. They are infiltrators. Shoot.To.Kill. You really wouldn't have to kill very many before word got out that sneaking across the border was not a life-enhancing maneuver.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 10:10 PM (Z8fuk)


I think that goes way too far.  They are not enemy spies or subversive agents.  Believe it or not, we aren't actually at war with Mexico.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:16 PM (5p18q)

638 Does the mailer say endorsed or approved by Cruz? Then why assume he did it as oppose to a local campaign worker who exercised questionable judgement?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 30, 2016 09:56 PM (iQIUe)


Cruz campaign staffer admitted they did it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 05:16 PM (T78UI)

639 He wants to deport all the illegals and then let all the "good ones" back in. That is touchback amnesty. Furthermore it's also a very stupid way to do amnesty. If you are going to grant people amnesty, why go through the trouble to deport them in the first place? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:05 PM (5p18q) Chemjeff, the current immigration law states that if one overstays their visa or is deported for an immigration violation, they are to be deported and depending on the length of their violation, etc. have to wait 3-7 years before they can apply for another visa to reenter. So , in essence, everyone who is here illegally, can at some point reapply to come back in once they go home. We don't bar anyone from entry, unless they have a criminal record, terrorist connection,etc. to which we would deny a visa. (As long as we are enforcing the law , which we aren't currently.) Trump is not creating anything new. He is actually enforcing the laws that are on the books.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 30, 2016 05:17 PM (TKQrK)

640 Defend the border, deliver the mail on time and get the hell out of the way.


Posted by: Eddie Chiles at January 30, 2016 05:17 PM (ct0K5)

641 They are coming across the river, now, with almost full support of the of the Fed. If that were reversed incoming would be greatly reduced.Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 10:15 PM (ct0K5) That's a good point. Don't forget It's not an invasion if our gov't is inviting them to come over.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:17 PM (UnJ7w)

642 637 Wow, I cannot believe people think the military should not be able to enforce our border.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 30, 2016 10:15 PM (chkUd)


Against a military power driving tanks over the border?  Yes.


Against random illegals running across the border?  No.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:17 PM (5p18q)

643 So the Clintons trained cops, they went native, were corrupted and formed their own cartel, utterly failing at the intended mission.

Tell me again about civilian law enforcement on the border?

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:18 PM (SVE9e)

644 I think maybe the non Veterans out there might just want to take a look at what the UCMJ says about shooting unarmed people who are not actively threatening you safety. It does matter where they are or if they are wearing a Uniform.

There is a word for it.

Let me think for a minute....................................

Oh Yeah!

It's called Murder.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois Dump Trump! Luze with Cruz! at January 30, 2016 05:19 PM (WVsWD)

645 Chemjeff, the current immigration law states that if one overstays their visa or is deported for an immigration violation, they are to be deported and depending on the length of their violation, etc. have to wait 3-7 years before they can apply for another visa to reenter.

So , in essence, everyone who is here illegally, can at some point reapply to come back in once they go home. We don't bar anyone from entry, unless they have a criminal record, terrorist connection,etc. to which we would deny a visa.



Getting a visa is not the same as getting citizenship.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:19 PM (5p18q)

646 Which, like it or not, immigration LAWS would fall under. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 30, 2016 09:36 PM (AkOaV) You use the military to keep them from crossing the border. You then negate the domestic law enforcement/posse comitatus issue. Problem solved.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 05:19 PM (heN73)

647 Trump is not creating anything new. He is actually enforcing the laws that are on the books.
.
Posted by: Jen the original...


A Trump tradition: Sell you something you already own.



Posted by: Eddie Chiles at January 30, 2016 05:19 PM (ct0K5)

648 HI flame war thread. Back here again, are we?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 05:20 PM (2x3L+)

649 "I think that goes way too far. They are not enemy spies or subversive agents. Believe it or not, we aren't actually at war with Mexico. Posted by: chemjeff" Federal Declaration, no. Invaders. Yes. Spies or subversives? No one can know. Who knows what they're up to. Enemy? Yes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:20 PM (tv9zS)

650 chemjeff are you a professional arguer ? just not getting paid for it ? sure seems like it.

Posted by: seamrog at January 30, 2016 05:20 PM (p5q+r)

651 634 There is a deterrent effect when unarmed people are faced with a wall and an armed man behind it. They tend to give up the attempt to cross

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:14 PM (RVlUM)


I am 100% IN FAVOR of having a wall with armed men behind it.  I just want the armed men to be civilian LEO and not the military.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:21 PM (5p18q)

652 HI flame war thread. Back here again, are we? Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 10:20 PM (2x3L+) Actually everyone is being pretty civil. Good discussion.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:21 PM (UnJ7w)

653 Getting a visa is not the same as getting citizenship. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:19 PM (5p18q) No, but one has to get one first in order to begin the process of the other.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 30, 2016 05:21 PM (TKQrK)

654 Ah, I'm vertical again. Thanks Chemjeff. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 30, 2016 05:21 PM (ntObR)

655 They are not enemy spies or subversive agents. Believe it or not, we aren't actually at war with Mexico. Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:16 PM (5p18q) maybe not where you live

Posted by: concrete girl at January 30, 2016 05:22 PM (0KgAM)

656 So far the arguments seem to be 1. We can only follow the laws on the books to protect the border and deport illegals 2. We cannot force the executive to enforce the laws 3. We must not vote for a candidate that has vowed to enforce the laws and build a wall

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:22 PM (RVlUM)

657 Juan and Maria.....X 100,000? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 09:41 PM (tv9zS) Actually times millions.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 05:22 PM (heN73)

658 Man that's easier said than done. Hell our boys come home from Iraq/Afganistan all fucked up from killing legitimate enemies. Imagine killing wetbacks to prove a point. Wow. Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:13 PM (UnJ7w) Well, needless to say, I'd give fair warning. Put on the Mexican TV and radio that there's a new sherriff in town, and that a shoot-to-kill policy will be in effect as of such-and-such a date. And make it clear that immediate surrender, or flight back into Mexico would not draw fire. Not all that different from the rules that apply if you are accosted by civilan law enforcement, and resist arrest, right? Or if you are caught trying to infiltrate a military base. In fact, there is the key to make it work. Have the Fed take ownership of a ten-foot strip of land on the border from the Pacific Ocean all the way to the Gulf of Mexico. Make that strip of land a military base, and call it Ft.America. Existing legal crossing points would not be included. That way, any illegal border crossers would be automatically infiltrating a military base, and subject to the laws applicable. And the military would be enforcing the law on their own turf, so Posse Comitatus would not apply.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:22 PM (Z8fuk)

659 >>>>Believe it or not, we aren't actually at war with Mexico.<<<

There is ample precedent for the US Army controlling the southern border. We weren't at war with Mexico when we sent Pershing to deal with Pancho Villa.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 30, 2016 05:23 PM (tEDMc)

660 10,000 Border Patrol agents.



Since the 1990's .



Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:23 PM (SVE9e)

661 >>>> Actually everyone is being pretty civil. Good discussion. Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:21 PM ----- Oh, nice to hear. I should go read back comments . ^^^^^ up there ^^^^^^

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 05:23 PM (2x3L+)

662 3. We must not vote for a candidate that has vowed to enforce the laws and build a wall Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:22 PM (RVlUM) 3. We must not vote for a candidate that has vowed to do whatever he thinks he can Constitution be damned. FIFY

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:24 PM (UnJ7w)

663 Where did this idea come from that random illegals, who are not a part of any organized force, not wearing uniforms, not on any mission sponsored by a foreign power, are exactly equivalent to a professional organized military force intending to conquer the nation?  Who is advocating this idea?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:24 PM (5p18q)

664 I guess we're down to private citizens going to the border and shooting illegals themselves, because I can't see any other alternative. Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2016 09:43 PM (sdi6R) A couple hundred Swedes did something similar yesterday. I'm all for it, if that's what it takes.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 05:25 PM (heN73)

665 And Blano got the mark of the beast comment. Sorry, dude. You're a marked man

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 05:26 PM (2x3L+)

666 Really arson Where did he say he would ignore the constitution?

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:26 PM (RVlUM)

667 1. Our military is not trained to deal with a civilian population.

2. They have better things to do.

Under a new administration apply all civilian resources against border incursion if they are unsuccessful
fire them and hire better agents.

These wetbacks are just people, not Sooper Mexican, there is no reason they cannot be stopped.

 

Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 05:26 PM (ct0K5)

668 Man that's easier said than done. Hell our boys come home from Iraq/Afganistan all fucked up from killing legitimate enemies. Imagine killing wetbacks to prove a point. Wow.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 10:13 PM (UnJ7w)
 


That is a rather low opinion of vets.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 05:26 PM (T78UI)

669 "3. We must not vote for a candidate that has vowed to do whatever he thinks he can Constitution be damned. " I don't vote for BO and I'll can the shit out of Trump it he does it too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:27 PM (tv9zS)

670 A couple hundred Swedes did something similar yesterday. I'm all for it, if that's what it takes. Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 10:25 PM (heN73) Problem is obama would crucify you to the wall and after he signs his bipartisan bill granting amnesty it would have been for nothing.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:27 PM (UnJ7w)

671 Where did this idea come from that random illegals, who are not a part of any organized force, not wearing uniforms, not on any mission sponsored by a foreign power, are exactly equivalent to a professional organized military force intending to conquer the nation? Who is advocating this idea?

We give up , where?

Posted by: 9 million Syrians at January 30, 2016 05:27 PM (SVE9e)

672 What laws has trump promised to break?

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:27 PM (RVlUM)

673 >>>>random illegals, who are not a part of any organized force, not wearing uniforms, not on any mission sponsored by a foreign power<<<<<

Like Pancho Villa.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 30, 2016 05:27 PM (tEDMc)

674 >>>>Believe it or not, we aren't actually at war with Mexico.<<< We haven't officially been at war with anybody since 1945.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 05:28 PM (FkBIv)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2016 05:28 PM (FkBIv)

676 The U.S. Coast Guard seems able to arrest illegal immigrants, seize illegal fishing boats, and arrest smugglers on a regular basis without engaging in mass murder on the sea approaches. I can't imagine why the U.S. Border Patrol (if militarized under UCMJ and enlarged) would become an out-of-control killing machine.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 30, 2016 05:28 PM (NUqwG)

677 Who is advocating this idea? Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 10:24 PM (5p18q) For $500, Chemjeff, what is "La Raza"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:30 PM (Z8fuk)

678 " What laws has trump promised to break? " None that haven't already been shit upon and left in the dust.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:30 PM (tv9zS)

679 That is a rather low opinion of vets. Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 10:26 PM (T78UI) No sir, those are facts. Soldiers are human too. I have several uncles involved in the first and second gulf war. The stories they tell would send a shiver up your spine. And they were all against the enemy defending themselves. Thank God they had the guts to stand up and fight for this country.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:30 PM (UnJ7w)

680 >>> What laws has trump promised to break? ----- Trump has said the opposite. He has said that EOs are unconstitutional in the way Barky has used them and that he knows that he has to work through Congress. Hell, he even said that he couldn't renig on the Iran deal but will have to renogiate it.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 30, 2016 05:30 PM (2x3L+)

681 The U.S. Coast Guard seems able to arrest illegal immigrants, seize illegal fishing boats, and arrest smugglers on a regular basis without engaging in mass murder on the sea approaches. I can't imagine why the U.S. Border Patrol (if militarized under UCMJ and enlarged) would become an out-of-control killing machine.

Militarized Thug Cops!!11!!111!

*faints*




/Cheetos and Weed Libertarian

Posted by: 9 million Syrians at January 30, 2016 05:30 PM (SVE9e)

682 Under a rational administration the Border Patrol could shoot to kill when necessary.

It is under this administration that our Border Patrol are presented as straw targets for the interlopers.


Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 05:31 PM (ct0K5)

683 /9 million socks off

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:31 PM (SVE9e)

684 chemjeff, do you live in Vanillaville?

Posted by: concrete girl at January 30, 2016 05:32 PM (0KgAM)

685 1. Not wearing uniforms 2. Not part of a military unit 3. Over stayed visas 4. Not planning to occupy or conquer Gosh I guess the US military would've been powerless to fight the 911 hijackers on US soil then

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:32 PM (RVlUM)

686 Arson sorry about your uncles and all but get back to me when you have some first hand experience

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:35 PM (RVlUM)

687 newd ont

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:35 PM (SVE9e)

688 What laws has trump promised to break? Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:27 PM (RVlUM) He's going to have a wall built no matter what anybody says(Congress). He's going to interfere with private business if they don't make financial decisions he doesn't like. He's going to go against freedom of religion and mark muzzies to keep us safe.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:35 PM (UnJ7w)

689 Under a rational administration the Border Patrol could shoot to kill when necessary.

It is under this administration that our Border Patrol are presented as straw targets for the interlopers.


Posted by: Ralph at January 30, 2016 10:31 PM (ct0K5)


Under this administration they arm the invaders (gunrunner)


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 30, 2016 05:35 PM (T78UI)

690 Blano, Dog is weirded out that someone is in the house, period. Not necessarily this guy, just ANYone other than me is new to him. Posted by: Chi at January 30, 2016 10:04 PM (fSuK4) Gotcha. Still kinda shocked you went ahead with it, but I do hope you end up proving us all wrong.

Posted by: Blano at January 30, 2016 05:35 PM (heN73)

691 Gosh I guess the US military would've been powerless to fight the 911 hijackers on US soil then Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:32 PM (RVlUM) Yep. If the loyal passengers on Flight 93 hadn't stopped the goatfuckers, and it was on target to hit the Capitol, it would have been totes illegal for the Air Force to shoot it down. But the Capitol police would able to blaze away at it with .38 Specials for all they were worth.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 05:36 PM (Z8fuk)

692 "Gosh I guess the US military would've been powerless to fight the 911 hijackers on US soil then " So, what you're saying is....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 30, 2016 05:36 PM (tv9zS)

693 Arson sorry about your uncles and all but get back to me when you have some first hand experience Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:35 PM (RVlUM) With that rationale Trump will make a horrible president lol. No experience in gov't, right?

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:37 PM (UnJ7w)

694 Arson 1. There is already a law on the books to build a wall 2. You need to be more specific about the private business concerns you have 3. Suspending immigration from terrorist exporting countries is not "marking muzzies"

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 05:38 PM (RVlUM)

695 . And Scott Walker is there. And Reince Prebius To hell with them all Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:09 PM What did Walker do that made him seem like a dick? Other than showing up, can you blame him ? If you want me to condemn him tell me what the event was and why I should be offended he showed.

Posted by: Farmer at January 30, 2016 05:38 PM (o/90i)

696 Yep. If the loyal passengers on Flight 93 hadn't stopped the goatfuckers, and it was on target to hit the Capitol, it would have been totes illegal for the Air Force to shoot it down. But the Capitol police would able to blaze away at it with .38 Specials for all they were worth.


SEE?

Total private sector solution. No need for Fed Gov, bro.

*bong hit*

/Cheetos and Weed Libertarian

Posted by: Mortimer[/i] [/b] at January 30, 2016 05:38 PM (SVE9e)

697 Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:38 PM (RVlUM) 1. There is no funding allocated to build this wall hence the executive cannot take it upon himself to fund and build. 2. See Trump's punitive tariff of 40% on Ford for moving factories to Mexico. 3. Trump did not rule out ID's and a database for muslims in the country.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 30, 2016 05:41 PM (UnJ7w)

698 For $500, Chemjeff, what is "La Raza"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 30, 2016 10:30 PM (Z8fuk)


Honestly?


I think "La Raza" is a conservative bogeyman that has been played up to be much scarier than it actually is.


Mainly La Raza is a leftwing activist group.  That is bad enough, I agree.


But there are those who think it plans some sort of insurrecionist Reconquista movement.  From my understanding it is basically a fringe idea.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:43 PM (5p18q)

699 I guess the US military would've been powerless to fight the 911 hijackers on US soil then

Posted by: ThunderB at January 30, 2016 10:32 PM (RVlUM)


BEFORE they made their intentions known?  Yes.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2016 05:44 PM (5p18q)

700 chemjeff you must love all the attention that you get being anti popular sentiment. Then moving the goalposts, when losing the argument.

Posted by: seamrog at January 30, 2016 05:55 PM (p5q+r)

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