May 30, 2006

Ex-Marine Fends Off Would-Be Muggers With Pocket Knife, Killing One
— Ace

Jack Murtha has demanded a full investigation into the "cold-blooded murder."

Thomas Autry, who authorities said will not be charged, had been walking home from his job waiting tables Monday night when four people got out of a car and chased him, Atlanta police detective Danny Stephens said.

One of the attackers had a shotgun and another had a pistol, Stephens said.

The suspects caught up with Autry, who yelled for help and pulled a knife out of his backpack. He kicked the shotgun out of one of the attacker's hands and stabbed both a 17-year-old girl who jumped on him and a man who also attacked him.

The suspects fled in their car but police found them later at a hospital where the girl was pronounced dead. The man stabbed in the incident was in critical condition, Stephens said.

They made the mistake of bringing guns to a knife-fight, which is a mistake if you're dealing with someone who's pretty good with a knife.

Posted by: Ace at 08:52 AM | Comments (45)
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1 The real story is that four people carrying a shotgun and a pistol between them tried to ambush him.

If this is how the criminals want to play, I'm going to have to upgrade from a 9mm to a forty-five.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at May 30, 2006 09:02 AM (eUpRc)

2 It's really a shame. He's an former Marine, and absent a biography, may not have ever performed a deliberate act to cause harm in the name of service, and in all likelihood his first experience in a life and death situation was to kill an American, and American Woman, A Pregnant American Woman.

He was brave, and he avoided violence at the initiation of the situation, but when push came to shove, that will be one of the things he will live with.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 09:03 AM (QTv8u)

3 Eh. The story doesn't say if the robbers sought medical care immediately or not. The death of the 17 y/o might be directly the result of failing to do so.

Posted by: shawn at May 30, 2006 09:11 AM (lw1AE)

4 By the way, Good for that friggen guy!

It's just a shame that (likely) his first interaction with an enemy that wished to cause him harm, was a countrymen.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 09:14 AM (QTv8u)

5 Where did you see "pregnant", Wickedpinto?

Ace, loved the "guns to a kife-fight" line.

Posted by: Roy at May 30, 2006 09:14 AM (2XXia)

6 Damn, I read this report on another source earlier, I'll dig it up. Supposedly the girl was newly pregnant, I'll dig it up.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 09:21 AM (QTv8u)

7 A follow-up report that I got to through Blackfive, led to the atlanta journal constituation.
AJC Story

or the long one

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/0530marine.html

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 09:30 AM (QTv8u)

8 That sounds like a Steven Seagall moment.

Posted by: bcb at May 30, 2006 09:33 AM (Z4MiQ)

9 No, to have a Steven Seagal moment he would have had to either broken his foot on a pool table or smacked Kelly LeBrock around again.

Posted by: HayZeus at May 30, 2006 09:46 AM (RHxVZ)

10 Semper Fi!

Posted by: Kilroy at May 30, 2006 09:59 AM (vnL7t)

11 My first impression from the shorter story was that it was a little too vague and incredible to be true, but after reading the longer article at ajc I have to say it sounds legit; apparently there were plenty of witnesses to corroborate Autry's account.

My second impression after reading that version is that Autry's training, bravery and so forth probably only accounted for 50% of why he lived - the other 50% was apparently due to the robbers' other weapon misfiring...

Posted by: Scott at May 30, 2006 10:06 AM (f8958)

12 It was a 19 year old girl who was killed.
The 38 special the thugs had did misfire.

only one thing to say:


OOORAH!

Posted by: Marvin at May 30, 2006 10:27 AM (hQIvX)

13 Misfiring?

It's not uncommon for a Marine to scare the shit out of another person's firearm. He may have used his drill-voice. Used correctly, one does not require a Weirding Module.

Posted by: Biff Boff at May 30, 2006 10:28 AM (TjqdC)

14 I'm going to have to upgrade from a 9mm to a forty-five.

I heartily recommend that you do.

It's really not much harder to hide than a Beretta 9mm.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 30, 2006 10:36 AM (pzen5)

15 Of course, the criminals will try to sue him for all he's got.

Posted by: someone at May 30, 2006 10:51 AM (c2NB9)

16 Not the dead one.

Posted by: chris at May 30, 2006 11:07 AM (ze3EB)

17 Misfiring?

It's not uncommon for a Marine to scare the shit out of another person's firearm. He may have used his drill-voice. Used correctly, one does not require a Weirding Module.


Posted by Biff Boff

I like that.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 11:13 AM (QTv8u)

18 Someone mentioned that it was less his training, than the weapon misfiring, and that is true, and false.

The guy was prolly just a normal guy who served in the Marine Corps, like I did, I didn't do anything special, trust me , I'm no ninja, I know some Marines who are real fucking Ninja's but for the most part, they are just guys.

And the gun did misfire.

But, the guy who has been required to put himself into the mindset of live or die in hypothetical (as happens all the time during training excercises) was able to act rationaly when faced with an in fact life or death situation. He armed himself, and he reacted appropriately with his limited weaponry.

Where-as a bunch of ignorant thugs think that weapons operate on magic, and don't require care, or consciousness of use.

What makes the US military the most terrifying and dominant fighting force this world has ever seen is less about the technology (though that helps) it is the fact that we know how to use that technology in high stress life and death situations. I would not be AT ALL surprised to find that the .380 didn't "misfire" but that the dipshit didn't know how to take it off safe.

I am not a gun guy, but everytime I carried my weapon in the service, it was on safe, and it became a natuarl action for my thumb to flip that dial as my index finger was squeezing the trigger on a target I had simultaneously outlined.

The point isn't that Marines are ninja's, it is more that thugs with guns can't tongue was the balls of a Marine.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 11:20 AM (QTv8u)

19 yeah, when I first read .38 I was like "that has got to be the shittiest .38 ever made" or he had crap ammo or something. .38s are pretty reliable.

.380 on the other hand, easy to screw up if you don't know what you're doing.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 30, 2006 11:41 AM (pzen5)

20 One of my favorite movies lines, Ace. Gotta love Sean Connery...

Posted by: AGJ at May 30, 2006 11:50 AM (D5Sti)

21 You make an excellent point, Wickedpinto. I was an army infantryman during Desert Storm, but I didn't do anything special either. I was here in the U.S., defending the left coast.

What my training did, and I didn't realize this at the time, was teach me how to turn it on and turn it off. Over the last decade or so I've been in a few situations where violence might have been required. If it had, I would have known what to do, not because I have any super fighting skills, but because my mind can be focused on the task at hand. Most of the time I'm about the nicest guy on the planet, but put me in a situation where I have to flip that switch...

Posted by: matt30 at May 30, 2006 12:07 PM (E9zN3)

22 isn't a .38, always a revolver, that is why there is a distinction between the .38, and the .380 pistol?

Revolvers are always reliable, .380's are underpowered for their gas operation, in fact, VERY FIRST gun I ever fired was a .380 titan (I don't know if titan is one of those stupid nicknames or the manufacturer, not kidding I am NOT a gun guy)

I fired a single round to see how it felt, then I cleared the stove-pipe, then I decided, let it go, and I fired off the rest of the clip, well, a portion of the clip, cuz it was a . . . .well, there was no pin holding the reciever in place, you disassembled it by drawing the reciever back, and raising it up then pushing forward, what ever that method of assembly is called.

And anyways, I think I got 4 rounds off, and the fucking gun fell apart in my hands.

being a kid, who does not like guns, I just dropped the whole thing, think that something else was gonna explode, but it turns out that .380 ammunition in that particular mechanism is actually just a highley efficient method of dissasembly.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 12:11 PM (QTv8u)

23 isn't a .38, always a revolver, that is why there is a distinction between the .38, and the .380 pistol

Yep.

I've got a couple of .380s I actually like, one being an inexpensive Bersa. I had stovepipe clearing problems too, but it was because of the magazines... once I stuck with factory mags it was very reliable.

The other is a Walther PPK/s. Also reliable but picky on ammo.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 30, 2006 12:16 PM (pzen5)

24 Matt30 saidOver the last decade or so I've been in a few situations where violence might have been required. If it had, I would have known what to do, not because I have any super fighting skills, but because my mind can be focused on the task at hand.

Yeah, it isn't about getting in touch with my ki, and the chi that surrounds me, it isn't that I can become one with the nature of the world around me prior to a violent act, it is more along the lines of using every tool at my disposal to end the violence as quickly as possible, so that I can run home, cry in my beer and hope everyone is okay.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 12:18 PM (QTv8u)

25 Dave The other is a Walther PPK/s. Also reliable but picky on ammo.

Once again I'm not a gun guy, like I say regularly, that much deadly force regularly available scares me, not cuz of the gun, but because of my possible reactions.

Anyways. You mention the PPK,

In my life, there have been TWO! handguns that I have held that I decided that "when I own a gun" rather than thinking about "if" but I actually thought "WHEN I buy a gun. . . . " I decided either on a ppk, or I think it was the 10 milimeter sig sauer? I never liked 9 mil's, the over stack the mags, and the grips suckl.

Just gripping those two weapons was like grabbing the penis I should have had.

In fact, my friend (who owned the sig) made a masturbation comment, cuz I was constantly thumstroking the tooling in the grip

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 12:22 PM (QTv8u)

26 I said Just gripping those two weapons was like grabbing the penis I should have had.

Let me correct that. I was gripping the penis my right hand deserved. I myself am happy with my penis, but the right hand would like something a little different, I won't even talk about my left, that guys just a PERVE!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 12:26 PM (QTv8u)

27 My preferred carry piece is a .45 but in the summer that's not always practical. .380 was a compromise - I'm not a fan of 9mm.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 30, 2006 12:26 PM (pzen5)

28 Dave,
Are you concealed carry?
I'm thinking about getting my license (especially now since I word in downtown Atlanta). The only problem is that I'm a tall lean guy (6' 175), and have to wonder where am I going to conceal a weapon. Right now I have a Taurus .40 but I'm most likely going to upgrade to a XD or Glock .45. Should I be thinkin .38 for concealed carry?

Posted by: burnitup at May 30, 2006 12:42 PM (/vyXe)

29 My fav carry is an ancient WWII vintage Walther .32 PP (similar to PPK, but a tad longer). Its a tack driver and feeds SilverTips reliably.

I figure 3 wimpy on target quick are better than one powerful on target and two in the trees.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 30, 2006 12:49 PM (gf5iT)

30 Burnitup.

I don't know the phrase, but my buddies father is about 6'4" I'm about 6'2" and he had me try it, a smaller caliber, like the PPK would work perfect in a horizontal carry shoulder holster.

When you are tall and skinny, unless you are wearing a suit, your features focuz on the shoulder, the hips, and the legs, but if you have a horizontal holster just below your ribs, it's unidentifiable. If you are wearing a suit? you're fucked.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 01:03 PM (QTv8u)

31 I said "horizontal" but I think the actual term is "cross draw" I can't remember. Like I said, I'm not a gun guy, but I'm trying to describe things I've experienced without really reasearching them.

Sorry for my F'd up anecdotal stories.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 30, 2006 01:08 PM (QTv8u)

32 burnitup,

Yeah, I am. I have a Taurus .38 snub that's very easy to hide, even with your frame.

Small of back holsters are effective even for you tall lanky dudes too. Undershirt fabric holsters good too (your arm covers it up)

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 30, 2006 01:45 PM (s7t6E)

33 Sounds more like a Nicholas Cage movie than a Steven Segal movie.

Posted by: Steve O at May 30, 2006 02:57 PM (R0Csm)

34 As long as we're talking about guns, a Glock 19 9mm is all I need. Foolproof, accurate, and ammo is cheap and plentiful. Small enough to carry concealed, too.

Posted by: fugazi at May 30, 2006 05:27 PM (YJqbm)

35 "Rules? In a knife fight??"

Posted by: CraigC at May 30, 2006 06:57 PM (h1lmV)

36 After I departed Fort MacPherson in south Atlanta for Afghanistan I was asked by several people how I felt about being in such a dangerous place. My reply was always that I felt safer in Afghanistan than I did in downtown Atlanta. And that was a true statement.

Posted by: MTW at May 30, 2006 07:20 PM (q7b5Y)

37 I get a HUGE fucking boner reading stories like this. Ive been robbed at gunpoint twice, and I enjoy it when a mugger or rapist gets their guts stagbbed or shot out of them. They Probably needed drug money, now need headstone and burial plot. If I could have killed the scumfucks that robbed me, I would lose not one wink of sweet sleep at nite, and would probably masturbate furiously while thinking of their dying gurgles.

Posted by: The Drizzle at May 30, 2006 07:53 PM (UygmY)

38 Never was a victim of armed robbery myself, but was one guy away from being that victim at a cash machine in college (pulled up in my car to see vagrant-looking guy stick a gun in some guy's face, take his cash, and haul ass).

The poor guy was really shaken afterwards... all I can remember is thinking is how lucky I'd been not to be five minutes ealier...

Posted by: TheNewGuy at May 30, 2006 08:19 PM (Tlvyc)

39 A clear case of self defense

Posted by: spurwing plover at May 31, 2006 04:14 AM (A09bm)

40 Jerk Murtha is too busy giving terorists head. Have I mentioned that Murtha is a traitor and a cocksucker? No? Well, Murtha , Benedict Arnold was at least a man and a soldier, in addition to being a traitor. Murtha is nothing but a political call girl.

Posted by: Mark McGilvray at May 31, 2006 05:37 AM (isTfo)

41 Someone mentioned that it was less his training, than the weapon misfiring, and that is true, and false.

Dunno if you meant me, but I said it was 50/50 skill/luck; the skill disabled the shotgun and the luck disabled the .380 - the point being that without both of these factors he would definitely be shot and very likely also dead.

Posted by: Scott at May 31, 2006 08:56 AM (f8958)

42 Dave and WP ... thanks for the tips

Posted by: burnitup at May 31, 2006 10:02 AM (/vyXe)

43 Wickedpinto,
they make 38 rev's, I can't come up with one now, but I am sure they make them. There are a lot more 38 pistols floating around, since that was pretty much the standard cop gun until they went to rev.s. Mostly 9mm, but now 40 cal and 45's. My favorite, Glock 23, 40 cal, it's small and hold 9 shots, 8 in clip one in chamber, and with hydro shock hollow points, it will do the job! small entry, 12 inch hole out the back! Bingo!! No need to book'em Dan'o they're dead. Kemp

Posted by: kemperman at May 31, 2006 11:13 AM (Wc54u)

44 Kemperman.

.38 and .380 are different calibrations, the .380, I THINK has a slightly higher grain load with a smaller projectile, so that it can drive the gas mechanism of the automatic. Where as a .38 is a smaller grain with a larger projectile cuz there is no additional machinery contained within a revolver.

there are .38, and .380 pistols, but the distinction is that all .380's are automatic, and all .38's are revolvers. That is what I meant.

Also, good knews, though the guy killed a girl more than 1/2 his age, she was not pregnant. great follow up at Florida Cracker.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at May 31, 2006 04:19 PM (QTv8u)

45 Scott? I was talking about you.

I qualified what I meant in the rest of the text. My point is that the guy had more knowledge about how to wield his knife, than the thugs knew how to handle their weapons. EVERY DAY! a Marine with a gun will win against anyone without one, cuz the first rule of firearms (don't get within reach of the enemy) and because deadly force isn't a game, it is . . . .well, it is deadly force.

Posted by: at May 31, 2006 04:25 PM (QTv8u)

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