June 30, 2008

Even the Archliberal New Yorker Admits Obama's Rhetoric on Iraq is Out-of-Touch and Behind-the-News
— Ace

Caught by Commentary:


In February, 2007, when Barack Obama declared that he was running for President, violence in Iraq had reached apocalyptic levels, and he based his candidacy, in part, on a bold promise to begin a rapid withdrawal of American forces upon taking office. At the time, this pledge represented conventional thinking among Democrats and was guaranteed to play well with primary voters. But in the year and a half since then two improbable, though not unforeseeable, events have occurred: Obama has won the Democratic nomination, and Iraq, despite myriad crises, has begun to stabilize. With the general election four months away, Obama’s rhetoric on the topic now seems outdated and out of touch, and the nominee-apparent may have a political problem concerning the very issue that did so much to bring him this far. . . He doubtless realizes that his original plan, if implemented now, could revive the badly wounded Al Qaeda in Iraq, reënergize the Sunni insurgency, embolden Moqtada al-Sadr to recoup his militia’s recent losses to the Iraqi Army, and return the central government to a state of collapse. The question is whether Obama will publicly change course before November. So far, he has offered nothing more concrete than this: “We must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.” . . . Yet, as exhausted as the public is with the war, a candidate who seems heedless of progress in Iraq will be vulnerable to the charge of defeatism, which John McCain’s campaign will connect to its broader theme of Obama’s inexperience in and weakness on national security.

Jennifer Rubin points out:

So now other MSM outlets can get into the act. MSNBC tips its hand by saying, “This isn’t the Weekly Standard writing about this.” And other mainstream media sources likewise rush to confirm that, my gosh, Obama has a problem.

Perhaps if mainstream media reporters and pundits actually read something other than each other’s publications they might learn something new. Seriously, they tell us that the same facts reported months ago by Weekly Standard wasn’t worth a mention but a belated account from the New Yorker is? There could be no better proof that the worst victim of the media cocoon is the mainstream media itself.

That is interesting -- apparently MSNBC holds it against the Weekly Standard that it's gotten this right long before the liberal media would even acknowledge something as awful as the possibility of an American military victory.

Posted by: Ace at 01:30 PM | Comments (37)
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1 Speaking of the New Yorker, the Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.

Wow.  Isn't that what we've been bitching about them doing for the last couple of years?

I guess it's OK when we do it.  Can't say I've seen a lot of bitching about our actions from the AHQ locals...  What a shocker.

Posted by: Jason at June 30, 2008 01:45 PM (bN+H2)

2 The article was posted a full forty-five minutes ago and I'm still the only one who has replied?  That's hilarious.

Guess the readership isn't quite what is used to be, eh Ace?

Why don't you just replace AHQ with a giant banner that says something along the lines of "Sorry for carrying water for a party that has f*cked this entire country so hard it'll take years to dig out.  My bad."

I mean, a public apology is a minimum.  If you were sincere it would probably involve swords and a second...

Posted by: Jason at June 30, 2008 02:22 PM (bN+H2)

3 Ahahaha, poor stupid Jason.

Posted by: Stankleberry at June 30, 2008 03:01 PM (5x5Ao)

4 Jason...

Join us over at at Ace's temporary site here.

There are comments mocking you. I wouldn't want you to miss out on that.



BTW-"I guess it's OK when we do it."

So in your world Iran terrorism=US attempts to prevent killers from getting nuclear weapons.

Thanks for confirming what we've always suspected about the left. You're fucking retarded.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 30, 2008 03:20 PM (hlYel)

5

Jason-

I'm leaving this comment on the old site so that you can see it.  You see, there is a new AOS site where comments made here can be seen but, unfortunately for you, you can't see the comments made over there. 

Yes, many other comments have been made on this post and others.  You're wrong about that as you are wrong about so many things.  Again, you just can't see them.  I'm telling you this not as a favor to you, not because I like or respect you.  I just don't want you to feel good about yourself. 

It's to bad you can't see the comments on the other site.  People are having fun making an ass out of you.  We aren't laughing with you, we are laughing at you.  It's not bad enough that I'm going to tell you that URL cause, as I said, I really don't like you.

Eat a turd.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2008 03:22 PM (VBon8)

6 Thanks for all the replies.  It's nice to know that a few of you here -- and apparently a veritable slew elsewhere -- spent valuable time flaming me.  I figure I have at least a few man-hours of your life in the bag for a posting that didn't take but sixty seconds to type in the first place.

You guys are the best.

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page here...  The only jackasses on Ace are the ones who haven't yet figured out that quite literally, You Have Lost.

You've lost the war.  Both of them.

You've lost the economy.

You've lost public confidence.

You've lost all vestiges of credibility worldwide.

You're going to lose everything in the election.

Bye bye.  Sayonara.  Thanks for making even the wildest, undreamt fantasies of even the craziest liberal a tangible reality.

What do they call your kind again?  "Dead Enders?"  BWAHAHAHAHA.

Later chumps.  Thanks for playing.  You guys never disappoint.

Posted by: Jason at June 30, 2008 05:09 PM (bN+H2)

7 Fuck Jason... But anyway, this relates to the newspaper post. The power head of the left has never been against this war. They just want a piece of the action.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at June 30, 2008 05:32 PM (wVl3j)

8 I can't wait for the inevitable Iraq 'reevaluation' by Obama. 

I hope Olbermann has been stretching because if he isn't, he's likely to pull a lot of muscles doing the necessary contortions to keep up with Obama on this one.

Posted by: DrewM at June 30, 2008 05:52 PM (hlYel)

9 At least the ten people who read the New Yorker now know Nobama is an idiot. Whoops, make that 6 people, 4 of them just canceled their subscription to protest the rag's straying from the Messiah's  dogma.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at June 30, 2008 05:52 PM (QMGr1)

10 I'm just finding it interesting that even the MSM is finding it hard to overlook the cracks in St. Obama's armor, and they aren't even close to the convention yet.  FISA, Heller, Iraq, etc...Not to say that they'll insist it doesn't matter, but they're really finding it hard to avoid admitting their betrothed isn't perfect.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at June 30, 2008 06:01 PM (NWFxC)

11

Can anybody tell me how the umlaut snuck in: "reënergize"?

"That is interesting -- apparently MSNBC holds it against the Weekly Standard that it's gotten this right long before the liberal media would even acknowledge something as awful as the possibility of an American military victory."

I don't think that they have made the connection between then and now, Ace. If they have, they have been dishonest.

"You've lost the war.  Both of them.

You've lost the economy.

You've lost public confidence.

You've lost all vestiges of credibility worldwide.

You're going to lose everything in the election.

Bye bye.  Sayonara.  Thanks for making even the wildest, undreamt fantasies of even the craziest liberal a tangible reality."

All but three of these points are contentious, Jason, and one could even serve as a catalyst for the presidential race.  The last item could be attributed to genuine fear.  It also shows that you feel that "liberalism" is a disease and that we should be ashamed for letting the lunatics gain some hope.  I could do a rundown of all of these items, but I opt to save that for a different thread.

I am not going to try to sway you into voting-let alone who to vote for-but I must say that you can't lose your shit now.  I haven't been reading much of the news, but I get the impression that things are going to get much more interesting in the next couple of months.

Posted by: BlackRockStar at June 30, 2008 06:01 PM (NKjqO)

12 'they WON'T insist it doesn't matter,' I mean.  Sorry.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at June 30, 2008 06:02 PM (NWFxC)

13

I can't wait for the inevitable Iraq 'reevaluation' by Obama. 

I've been predicting this for some time, Obama, if he wins, will remove troops on the exact same schedule as McCain or Bush for that matter.  He has already been "nuancing" his immediate troop withdrawl message along with most of his other messages.  Most of his minions don't give a crap, they will justify it as Obama wisely seeing the mess Bush has left and dealing with the "new facts".

Think not?  Take a look at his pledge to meet with our enemies without preconditions.  Now, he says he will only meet with the leaders of Iran if they stop all enrichment activities.  Gee, that's so different from Bush...in some way I can't figure out.

His minions won't care.  Hope and change, baby.

ps, anybody notice Bush signed the troop funding bill today?  You know, the one the Dems said they would never give him after 2006.  Next up, signing the FISA bill which the Dems also said they would squash.  Bush is rolling these assclowns like a bunch of cheap whores.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2008 06:07 PM (VBon8)

14 If Obama starts changing his tune on Iraq, McCain better rip him apart on his flip-flopping, otherwise Barry gets the Presidency. Obama is obviously full of shit to everyone but his cultist, tofu-brained Moonie followers, but McCain needs to remind the intellectually lazy how full of shit he is.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 30, 2008 06:16 PM (vfDNl)

15

I think McCain should start congratulting Obama for his change in position. 

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/13681

 "I'm pleased to see that Sen Obama appears to be re-evaluating his plan for an early withdrawl and joining me in planning to complete the job in Iraq".  It would prick Obama's very thin skin, it would have the advantage of being true, and it would make Obama look like he's following Mccain's lead. 

Look, everyone but the MoveOn/Kos crowd thinks Obama will eventually flip.  The sooner he does, the better.  right now he has such an opaque stance on so many issues that supporters on both sides of those issues can believe "in his heart, he agrees with me".  Dirty up that tabula rasa with a few definitaive positions.

Worst case, getting Obama to commit to this policy now with take away the lat real hope AQI has.

Posted by: David at June 30, 2008 06:19 PM (Hj9yW)

16 Apocalyptic violence?  These idiots ever hear of places like Iwo Jima, Stalingrad, Verdun?  Now that's apocalyptic violence.  Maybe they're saying the Obamessiah's appearance is a sign of the Apocalypse.  I'd say that his election would be the sign, myself.  Anyway, we're winning in Iraq.  If Johnny Boy doesn't get it done, Dubya needs to take out Mookie before inauguration day.  Whatever else Obambi fucks up, I don't want that son of a whore running Iraq. 

Posted by: Tim at June 30, 2008 06:51 PM (9ORie)

17 I dunno.  Carter was too damn stoopid to realize what a hash he was making of world affairs.   Why expect Obama to be better?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 30, 2008 06:51 PM (W9lfm)

18 I guess it's OK when we do it.  

Excellent point, Jason!

Iran destabilizing an emerging democracy and murdering innocent Iraqi civilians is exactly the same as America trying to prevent a crazy theocracy from attaining nuclear weapons.  How ever do Republicans sleep at night?

Posted by: sandy burger at June 30, 2008 06:52 PM (VC56G)

19

How ever do Republicans sleep at night?

On money stuffed mattresses, gently serenaded by the soft weeping of the poor. 

Posted by: Republicans at June 30, 2008 07:07 PM (PD1tk)

20 How ever do Republicans sleep at night?

I don't know about anyone else but I find counting jailed hippies to be as effective as counting sheep.

Posted by: DrewM at June 30, 2008 07:24 PM (hlYel)

21

I don't know about anyone else but I find counting jailed hippies to be as effective as counting sheep.

 

 

I don't know - sheep smell a LOT better.

 


Posted by: tim at June 30, 2008 07:53 PM (9ORie)

22

I left this at the end of my high life fueled speculation comment a while ago, but if there were odds I would put money on Obamas final position being:

There are some things I can't talk about. I can tell you one thing though, I won't stay in Iraq for 100 years.

 

ps: People need to save the "flip-flop" thing for people, kerry, who take multiple positions over the course of a campaign, or a week kerry again, based solely what they think people want to hear. If Obama changes his mind about Iraq based on events on the ground over the course of a few years that isn't a flip-flop. It evolves and I will give Obama credit for not being a fucking retard. I did not think he was retarded before, but sometimes I watch these people and I just...I just...ugghhhh...we are all fucked...

Posted by: bleh at June 30, 2008 08:19 PM (GNCy6)

23 In the month of May 2008, 19 American troops were murdered by terrorists in Iraq.

In the month of May 2008, 39 persons were murdered in the City of Chicago, most of them young black males, all of them in Senator Barack Obama's senatorial district and a majority of them in his former Illinois state senatorial district.

Shouldn't Senator Obama go home and try to do something about the apocalyptic murder rate in his area of primary responsibility rather than running around seeking a job for which he is obviously unqualified? I mean, he claims to care so much about these people, right?

Unless banning guns so that only law-abiding citizens cannot get guns in his district can be considered a qualification to be commander in chief.

Posted by: CornFedBeauty at June 30, 2008 08:37 PM (Z07/i)

24

"He doubtless realizes that his original plan, if implemented now, could revive the badly wounded Al Qaeda in Iraq, reënergize the Sunni insurgency, embolden Moqtada al-Sadr to recoup his militia's recent losses to the Iraqi Army, and return the central government to a state of collapse."

So according to The New Yorker:

Al Qaeda in Iraq is badly wounded, the Sunni insurgency is de-engerized, al-Sadr's militia has been scattered by the Iraqi Army, and the central government is not in a state of collapse. 

I don't know why I complain about the lack of good news from Iraq.  It's right there between the lines. 

 

Posted by: Pupster at June 30, 2008 09:11 PM (BExLP)

25 How ever do Republicans sleep at night?

On sheets made of baby seals.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at June 30, 2008 09:37 PM (uvl3B)

26 What the fuck would a pussy like jason know about the code duello ? Swords and a second , yeah right . 

Posted by: Aubrey at June 30, 2008 09:53 PM (o521D)

27

Hmmmmm. 

So we've lost everything, have we?

We'll be totally disenfranchised, yet we'll have all the guns.

Oddly, I see that working out somewhat less favorably for you....

 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 30, 2008 10:20 PM (YKnet)

28 Jason, regurgitating bumper sticker slogans doesn't make you profound. It makes you a douchenozzle.

Posted by: Gen. William Tecumsah Sherman at June 30, 2008 11:45 PM (blNMI)

29 They are giving Obama a gentle shove in the right direction.  Any change by Obama will be portrayed as a brilliant strategic move.

Posted by: davod at July 01, 2008 01:26 AM (llh3A)

30 If Obama suddenly flips and takes a 'things have changed on the ground' approach, the thing to then ask him is 'WHY have things changed on the ground?'

They changed because people took action to produce that CHANGE on the ground...Obama's positions have been passively reactive--they take what is perceived and react to it.  That's not leadership.

Taking control of the situation and changing it to the way you want it IS leadership.  Obama's changing position merely shows that he's following circumstances.

Obama's process is reacting to what is, we need someone who can see where and how to act and to do that.

Obambi fails.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at July 01, 2008 06:49 AM (FPVIB)

31

"Yet, as exhausted as the public is with the war, a candidate who seems heedless of progress in Iraq will be vulnerable to the charge of defeatism"

Who's exhausted?

 

Posted by: ziff at July 01, 2008 09:36 AM (UHuB/)

32

Ahh! the MSM is!

Posted by: ziff at July 01, 2008 09:38 AM (UHuB/)

33 I don't know about anyone else but I find counting jailed hippies to be as effective as counting sheep.

I don't jail them; just hand them a TV set and shove them onto a neighbor's lawn in Texas...

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