February 27, 2007
— Ace Which is dumb, but that's not why I'm linking this.
It's for this homophobic attack on Andrew Sullivan:
Alterman complains that bloggers mix too much about their personal lives into their political opinions, as if they think the personal information bolsters the argument: "Tom Paine didn't say 'Common Sense' is a good idea because I'm such a hip guy." But of course, Tom Paine would have blogged, and he probably would have come across as a cool guy, and we would perceive that as bolstering his argument.
Eric is especially perturbed by Andrew Sullivan's personal revelations, notably his description of curling up with his boyfriend in bed on Valentine's Day.
And Sullivan didn't even actually say that! The homophobe Alterman just took a brief post about "being in love" on Valentine's Day and read into it "curling up with his boyfriend in bed!"
I'd accuse Alterman of gay bashing, but I really think he's got too big an ego to allow such self-excortiation.
One thing I agree with: The personal stuff on blogs? I know a lot of people consider blogs to be partly a personal journal, but I've always had a major "ick" reaction to that. Not just Sullivan's beagles, boyfriend, and bronchitis stuff, but personal stuff from anyone.
I try to avoid that myself under the "who cares" principle.
I guess a lot of people do care, but it always seemed like oversharing to me.
Eric Alterman Is High-Pitch Eric?
I don't know if Eric Alterman is that high pitched, but he sure does sound effeminate and screechy when he talks.
Maybe he butches up for his occasional media appearances.
Thanks to Phinn for the pic.
The Conspiracy Widens: "HEY! I'm not widening, you Jew!"
I don't mind an occasional personal bit as long as it is done in moderation and not to get a specific reaction. If anything is it comforting to see a bit of human side. Not too much or we'll roll our eyes, but a little is ok.
Posted by: Village Idiot at February 27, 2007 06:48 PM (zoBWw)
Posted by: Enquiring Mind at February 27, 2007 06:52 PM (Yn8HA)
"Now, why would ace be doing research about genital warts?"
We understand, dude.
Posted by: DaveS at February 27, 2007 06:53 PM (6DuOs)
Anyway, Yeah, I see two scenarios, the "council" is laughed out of existence immediately, or gains some foothold or prominence and becomes someones personal sledgehammer, whether to use against others, or as a partisan one.
Posted by: Sinistar at February 27, 2007 06:54 PM (oHd6r)
There's a place for personal blogging, for sure. But to mix it in with politica or world opinion or whatever is like mixing coffee and tea. Ick!
There's lots of o-so-personal blogs out there, or LiveJournal, or whatever. I'm glad Ace keeps it seperated, except for the occasional hint about Value-Rite Vodka and Llamas.
Posted by: 5Cats at February 27, 2007 06:54 PM (cVijR)
Somebody is going to get shanked, is all I can say.
Posted by: sithson at February 27, 2007 06:55 PM (lIsCq)
What are you, a cop?
Let's just say it's none of your business, and it's none of Eric Alterman's either.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2007 06:56 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Bart at February 27, 2007 06:58 PM (lEN/z)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 27, 2007 06:58 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 27, 2007 07:00 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: someone at February 27, 2007 07:03 PM (I/t4f)
Posted by: Shivv at February 27, 2007 07:04 PM (QhWHP)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 27, 2007 07:05 PM (oHd6r)
Fuck, I already told you why I don't write about cool shit anymore-- The Man would kill me and bury me in a desert hole with extra lime.
So what do I write about? How much love sucks, with or without HPV. Oh, and how a human leg isn't supposed to bend this way.
Alien legs? Sure-- but that's only in Charlie Sheen's movies.
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at February 27, 2007 07:06 PM (kc9zT)
Posted by: km at February 27, 2007 07:12 PM (/sxOl)
Posted by: km at February 27, 2007 07:14 PM (/sxOl)
So wait, the AoS lifestyle is not actually practiced by Ace. I'm crushed.
I was counting on my Valu-Rite stock to get me through these tough times.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 27, 2007 07:17 PM (eGCIB)
Yeah, like those hobos strangled themselves?
Posted by: VRWC Agent at February 27, 2007 07:28 PM (Z3AmO)
High Pitch Eric
I report, you decide.
Posted by: Bart at February 27, 2007 07:32 PM (lEN/z)
Posted by: at February 27, 2007 07:37 PM (zjWeF)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 27, 2007 07:37 PM (oHd6r)
I find it amusing now that a writer at one of the top lefty blogs is proposing sorta the same thing.
Posted by: eddiebear at February 27, 2007 07:38 PM (vuppY)
Oh, is that too personal?
Forget i mentioned it.
Ace, my fellow MassInmate, be of good cheer. Eric Alterman does not exist. He is a phantom, a ghost, a mirage, a spectre, a shadow, a wisp of nothing.
Posted by: eman at February 27, 2007 07:39 PM (FWrFx)
Posted by: Watcher at February 27, 2007 07:46 PM (bPXvA)
Posted by: at February 27, 2007 07:46 PM (H826O)
Posted by: at February 27, 2007 07:49 PM (zjWeF)
Larwyn might. Or, maybe not.
Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2007 08:02 PM (56ssE)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 27, 2007 08:16 PM (dHUp4)
Even Fox puts up a Brittany head shaver story in between the real pertinent stories. It's like professional projection with a good cover,Or not in Brittnay's case.
Posted by: mbruce at February 27, 2007 08:17 PM (LLCm9)
So we mocked ya...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 27, 2007 08:23 PM (g9oTA)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at February 27, 2007 08:30 PM (vrIec)
Posted by: John Norris Brown at February 27, 2007 08:47 PM (7LyAa)
Lefty's are fucking retarded, (especially eric alterman)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 27, 2007 09:16 PM (QTv8u)
What would be the Constitution of it?
Who would be the Chair?
Who would be the Enforcer of it's Edicts?
Who will get me another beer?
Posted by: Speller at February 27, 2007 09:18 PM (Sbnuy)
I'm re-watching tonights "frontline" which is complete shit, well, it has good stuff, but it's "framed" in a way that makes the entire show complete shit.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 27, 2007 09:24 PM (QTv8u)
No, effin shit. When I first found this blog, I thought it was the personal journal of a tweeked out serial killer. Think, Henry -- Portrait of. (great movie, by the way)
I was hooked.
And I thought -- Ick, very loudly. Ick factor is part of the AoS lifestyle. It has to be.
I know more about you and certain other slimy types that frequent this place than I know about half of my siblings.
The fact that I'm the only cool guy in the entire place has it's allure as well. My idea of working out is NOT sucking the guts out of a Twinkie. And, I have a compooter job so I kant be to dumb.
That's the neat thing about the blogosphere, I can be a really hot, cool guy and you guys can't even tell. (No, Bart. You can't IM me any more.)
We've got tribbles, ewoks and Slublogs.
Not to mention a crazy evil horse.
How personal do you not want to be?
Posted by: mesablue at February 27, 2007 09:30 PM (DzeyU)
Ah yes WP, it's the old 'put enough glitter in the drek and the gullible will think it's all gold routine'.
I'm famililiar with that marketing technique.
Up here in the Great White North they call it politics.
I stopped watching TV in the spring of 2000.
I get all of my current events from the innernut.
I hear that TV is all about commies and fags now.
Posted by: Speller at February 27, 2007 09:38 PM (Sbnuy)
The funny thing is that they busted their asses to give lefty's the credit for the strom thurmond thing (which was actually a conservative purge of themself) and then to turn conservatives into fanatics against dan rather ( a common commentor during the program) but pretty much every significant act other than "the power of the blogs" which focuses on KOS, all of the blogger references of successful actions are actually BLOGGERS for the "right."
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 27, 2007 09:44 PM (QTv8u)
We OWN the facts.
El Cubos can always spin but it'll always come back to bite them on the body part they love so much they hide their heads there.
Posted by: S at February 27, 2007 09:59 PM (Sbnuy)
Not to mention a crazy evil horse."
We got Nice Debs, We got RWSparkles.
We've got sock puppets and spellers.
And Ace the host likes to play with midget Thai trannies...
Hmm, hmm, hmm, I love this blog.
-- The new Toby Keith
Posted by: Former Lurker at February 27, 2007 10:08 PM (Xm4xl)
"WTF am I, chopped livah?
Er, don't answer that..."
Didn't mean to leave you out - I'll try and remember to include you next time.
Oh - I can't get to your blog from work so I don't know if it's shitty or not. If I remember, I'll try to visit when I go home this morning.
Posted by: Former Lurker at February 28, 2007 03:31 AM (Xm4xl)
Posted by: John at February 28, 2007 04:03 AM (2JTlJ)
Posted by: S. Weasel at February 28, 2007 04:57 AM (MecJo)
Posted by: CockLikeAhorse at February 28, 2007 05:50 AM (YMJWB)
I am a giver.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2007 05:51 AM (pzen5)
Posted by: gp at February 28, 2007 05:57 AM (B9rV2)
You have GOT to be kidding, right? It wasn't supposed to be a serious movie, was it? I mean, that movie was laugh-out-loud bad. Or is that what made it great for you? Seriously. Could not stop laughing.
Posted by: at February 28, 2007 06:14 AM (GFaLW)
Posted by: Rocketeer at February 28, 2007 06:14 AM (GFaLW)
Besides...I'm sure my wife would hate for me to provide my readers with details on our weekends and valentines day affairs.
But for those of you that do happen upon my blog and read it i'll be sure to let you know when my cat takes a dump. You know....to mix things up a bit.
Seferas aka Darkmouse aka Kite
Posted by: Seferas-H. at February 28, 2007 06:21 AM (fdeNn)
Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2007 06:33 AM (DiZv6)
If by "cool" you mean "room temperature."
MesaBlue, in his mind: valued AoS regular
MesaBlue in reality: Sullivan-Anka hobo love child
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 28, 2007 06:33 AM (eGCIB)
So, you're telling me posts about toenail clippings and earwax aren't going to draw the readers?
'Scuse me while I go edit some posts...
Having had a former blog that contained a lot of the personal goings on, I can tell you that it turned from fun to work once I actually got a couple of dozen readers. Keeping up to date on them and keeping them informed on me was exhausting. I finally just went dark and just recently decided to start over with a new nom de net without all the personal stuff.
And yes, I recognize the irony of this comment.
Posted by: some schlub at February 28, 2007 06:41 AM (QGY37)
I got started reading this moron blog about the same time that you told us about walking your cat in the park with an extention cord and turning the tables on those two Puerto Rican boys.
I remember thinking, "Dude, I want to party with you."
Posted by: Sticky B at February 28, 2007 06:45 AM (rWWLr)
Posted by: Sticky B at February 28, 2007 06:49 AM (rWWLr)
There's something going on here, fellas. A scandal of Greenwaldian proportions? Too soon to tell.
Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2007 06:50 AM (DiZv6)
Posted by: Bart at February 28, 2007 06:55 AM (Kd22Q)
While there is a limit to how much personal stuff should be on a political blog, a certain amount is important. I mean, I don't really care if you bought a new pair of shoes yesterday. That has nothing to do with the War on Terror. However, certain personal things do matter.
For instance, suppose Andrew Sullivan never revealed that he was gay. All that you knew about him was that he was allegedly conservative. His arguments for gay marraige would carry a different weight in people's minds. It would appear that he was an outspoken conservative who really supported it which would be important. However, knowing that he is gay totally changes the impportance of his position. It becomes self-serving, if you will. He benefits personally from the legalization of gay marraige.
In a sense, this is the same argument as we see when we discuss media bias. We don't care if a segment of he media is biased one way or the other, just admit it. Tell us that your opinion is shaded by your beliefs and we will take that into consideration. Hiding biases only makes people suspicious.
Posted by: Steve L. at February 28, 2007 07:00 AM (hpZf2)
You never write any more. You don't IM me. And now I see that other Tank, the one you said you were through with, is back.
That's it. It's over. We're through.
Posted by: Israeli Tank at February 28, 2007 07:00 AM (Pkdqo)
Posted by: Sinistar at February 28, 2007 07:17 AM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Mikey NTH at February 28, 2007 07:20 AM (O9Cc8)
It's very strange when you laugh out loud, gag, and cringe at the same time.
That was pretty much my reaction to it as well. Ok, everything but the lol part.
Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 07:20 AM (HfGmJ)
Posted by: at February 28, 2007 07:27 AM (zjWeF)
Posted by: Ryan at February 28, 2007 07:30 AM (rTIJo)
And then forcing you to post comments?
Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2007 07:39 AM (DiZv6)
Quick, someone with google-fu skilz needs to find out.
Posted by: Bart at February 28, 2007 07:45 AM (lhTiK)
Here's an alert commenter from the Huffington Post, 3/17/06:
Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 07:51 AM (HfGmJ)
That almost sounds as dangerous as sneezing and farting at the same time. I'm sure equally damaging.
Addition: Yeah, the "freshly made brownies" bit did kinda of give me that "eww" vibe.
Posted by: Seferas-H. at February 28, 2007 07:53 AM (fdeNn)
I quick but she quickah! She is well trained in the arts of Google-Fu.
Posted by: Seferas-H. at February 28, 2007 07:56 AM (fdeNn)
Your fu is excellent, Deb.
Posted by: Bart at February 28, 2007 07:59 AM (lhTiK)
Posted by: Dave at February 28, 2007 07:59 AM (FOxe/)
No need to get violent.
Posted by: Bart-hopper at February 28, 2007 08:04 AM (lhTiK)
Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 08:10 AM (HfGmJ)
I'm officially creeped out now.
Posted by: Phinn at February 28, 2007 08:27 AM (DiZv6)
And on that note, will there be any retelling of the AOS monkeyshines in Boston last Sunday night? Was it that boring? I had pictured it as the Ewok victory party scene from RotJ, including the cremation.
Posted by: Toby928 at February 28, 2007 08:37 AM (ATbKm)
And on that note, will there be any retelling of the AOS monkeyshines in Boston last Sunday night?
Yeah, I'd like to hear the gory details, myself...
Posted by: Nice Deb at February 28, 2007 08:56 AM (HfGmJ)
Rocket, that was part of it. It was so out there.
I mean, come on. A serial killer with a protege?
There were some great lines in that movie though -- "you gotta change your M.O. I've burned em, chopped em, ground em up and stuck em in luggage." "They can't catch you if they think you're several people."
Posted by: mesablue at February 28, 2007 10:13 AM (DzeyU)
Hey guess what, when I read a political or issues blog I don't want to read about your trip to Ibzia or the latest gucci purse you bought either. The blogosphere is packed with boring crap about cats and how mean mom is and how miserable yet another teenager's life is and nobody understands. I can skip those because that's what those blogs are about.
When i turn to Belmont Club I don't want to read about his trip to the poconos by the fire with his sweetheart, Valentines day or not.
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