November 27, 2009

East Anglia climate scientist: emails displayed "tribalism", IPCC may have "run its course"
— Purple Avenger

Burn the witch!

...The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures; it is not attractive when we find it at work inside science. [ed: monkeys flinging poo]

It is also possible that the institutional innovation that has been the I.P.C.C. has run its course. Yes, there will be an AR5 but for what purpose? The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production

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1
I'm melting...I'm melting...

Posted by: Al Gore's authoritay at November 27, 2009 02:58 PM (Oxen1)

2 I don't think that the leaked emails will matter one whit to the "true believers".

Thou shalt not have no god before Gaia.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 27, 2009 02:59 PM (43e5j)

3 Roast in hell dicks... You'll find lots of warming there.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 27, 2009 03:00 PM (MCHyX)

4 Man, next year is going to be interesting.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:02 PM (eSNGZ)

5 As a true Omana follower would say, "You are either a true believer, or you are not." Truth is an inconvenient fact. Democratic Dogma trumps truth every time.

Posted by: mystry at November 27, 2009 03:03 PM (kmgIE)

6 Finally some hope we'll be seeing some real change.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 03:04 PM (TUcJd)

7

more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production.

Mandatory brain washing without the alien probe.

Posted by: dagny at November 27, 2009 03:05 PM (usIpS)

8 Someone finally saw all that handwriting on me.

Posted by: The Wall at November 27, 2009 03:06 PM (TUcJd)

9
In other words, Ignore the man behind the curtain?

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 03:06 PM (v77ig)

10
In other words, Piltdown Man was fake but accurate?

Which is it? What are they trying to say?

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 03:07 PM (v77ig)

11

Tribalism-?

 

Never heard of it.....

Posted by: Charles Clouseau Gibson at November 27, 2009 03:07 PM (Il89O)

12

But this episode might signify something more in the unfolding story of climate change. This event might signal a crack that allows for processes of re-structuring scientific knowledge about climate change. It is possible that some areas of climate science has become sclerotic. It is possible that climate science has become too partisan, too centralized.

Ya think????

Posted by: dagny at November 27, 2009 03:08 PM (usIpS)

13 helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production

In other words, 'it is because we say it is.'

Posted by: nickless at November 27, 2009 03:08 PM (MMC8r)

14

We need to keep on pushing this virally, this guy represents the Gaia Guerillas acknowledging the writing on the wall, but trying to maintain some credibility for their Eco-Extortion scheme....

when you've knocked 'em down you kick 'em in the balls.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 27, 2009 03:08 PM (Il89O)

15 As a former teenager, I can tell you it sucks when the folks find out you've been lying.  It only gets worse if you keep trying to explain.  Best to just 'fess up and take the punishment.

Posted by: huerfano at November 27, 2009 03:10 PM (vtuZz)

16 Sounds like he's saying that IPCC has become compromised, and they need to construct a new front that doesn't have the taint (heh) of scandal. Once this new front is up and running, they'll magically come up with 2000 scientists that swear that AGW is going to kill all the kittehs if we don't turn back the clocks 200 years.

Posted by: XBradTC at November 27, 2009 03:11 PM (y0E9v)

17 Good thing I passed on investing in Al Gore action figures.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:12 PM (eSNGZ)

18 There is no way the marxists are going to let this go. They thought it was their magic bullet for world wide domination. I'm interested to see how long the media is going to ignore this...

Posted by: dagny at November 27, 2009 03:13 PM (usIpS)

19
he's saying that IPCC has become compromised, and they need to construct a new front that doesn't have the taint (heh) of scandal.

Hmmm, just like ACORN.  Funny how all the shenanigans run by the commies all have so much in common.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 27, 2009 03:13 PM (x++TB)

20

Watch for Al Gore to start shedding investments.

He turned $1million into $100million. It looks the clock is striking 12 and his $100million is about to tur back in to $1million unless he does something fast.

I recall that Tipper was discovered to be quite a piece of work when she did her thing vis-a-vis entertainment and music standards back in the '80s.  I bet she's the type that simply can't live on less than $50million.  I bet Al knows this.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 27, 2009 03:13 PM (Ym9lj)

21

Tribalism?

Why, you...you...CIVILIZATIONIST!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 27, 2009 03:14 PM (P33XN)

22 My main concern is that by exposing the fraud this way, you end up fracturing the religion and the most powerful offshoot is a group of neo-Luddites.  You end up in a Twelve Monkeys scenario with that outcome.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 27, 2009 03:14 PM (43e5j)

23

18,

The media is ignoring it, but by catching them in the beginning of the middle the last vestiges of representative government may hamstring the bastards.....so it is vital we not let this go.

 

We got Van Jones we can nail the Watermelons*....

 

*green on the outside red on the inside types.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 27, 2009 03:14 PM (Il89O)

24 I'm melting...I'm melting...
Posted by: Al Gore's authoritay at November 27, 2009 07:58 PM (Oxen1)

I LOL'd!

Posted by: Joseph McCarthy's Envelopes at November 27, 2009 03:15 PM (zL+qc)

25

22,

That is a real risk.  Sooner or later some group of true believers will get an ELE level device....be they Jihadi Jim or Granola Gus they want everyone who is not in their phone-booth sized movement to die.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 27, 2009 03:16 PM (Il89O)

26 There is no way the marxists are going to let this go. They thought it was their magic bullet for world wide domination. I'm interested to see how long the media is going to ignore this... Posted by: dagny The media is the Marxists, too. In fact, they attack politicians from the Left. It's all one big marxy family.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:17 PM (eSNGZ)

27

Two questions:

As Climate Change is a religion, what happens to its congregation? What do they do?

Do I get to keep my  lightbulbs now?

Posted by: dagny at November 27, 2009 03:17 PM (usIpS)

28 Phil Jones: There are ways of telling whether he is a witch.
Climate Scientist 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Phil Jones: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Climate Scientist 1: Burn them.
Phil Jones: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Climate Scientist 1: More witches.
Climate Scientist 2: Wood.
Phil Jones: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Climate Scientist 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Phil Jones: Good. So how do you tell whether he is made of wood?
Climate Scientist 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Phil Jones: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Climate Scientist 1: Oh yeah.
Phil Jones: Does wood sink in water?
Climate Scientist 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Phil Jones: No, no. What else floats in water?
Climate Scientist 1: Bread.
Climate Scientist 2: Apples.
Climate Scientist 3: Very small rocks.
Climate Scientist 1: Cider.
Climate Scientist 2: Gravy.
Climate Scientist 3: Cherries.
Climate Scientist 1: Mud.
Climate Scientist 2: Churches.
Climate Scientist 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Phil Jones: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Climate Scientist 1: If he weighed the same as a duck... he's made of wood.
Phil Jones: And therefore...
Climate Scientist 2: ...A witch!

Posted by: Science! at November 27, 2009 03:17 PM (MMC8r)

29 ClimateGate prompted me to go back and re-read this Michael Crichton speech on environmentalism as a religion.

He couldn't have been more right. It's a shame he didn't live to see this scam begin to unravel.

Posted by: Andy at November 27, 2009 03:18 PM (VMyjP)

30
helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production



In other words, this is merely a public relations snafu? The adults are in charge now?


Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 03:18 PM (v77ig)

31
When the eclipse of teh sun foretold  by the witch doctor failed to appear, the tribe flayed the faker alive, chopped him into little pieces and fed him to their dogs. All his spawn were killed. All his possessions were burned and his name was forgotten to history.

Posted by: Ancient East Anglian scrolls at November 27, 2009 03:18 PM (Oxen1)

32 Once this new front is up and running, they'll magically come up with 2000 scientists that swear

The trust in their integrity is evaporating. 

Even the faithful, although they won't admit it, have to be feeling a little queasy right now.  They still believe, even fervently, but its not quite the same anymore.

Trust is like virginity -- easy to lose, hard to regain.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 03:20 PM (TUcJd)

33 Lawsuit to suspend all legislation based upon the ClimateScam B.S....That's what I want for Christmas!!!!

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 03:22 PM (qUdDE)

34 Renew! Renew!

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:22 PM (eSNGZ)

35 Why oh why, pray tell, isn't the world rejoicing that the end may not be so near?
 
Shouldn't scientists everywhere be rushing in to correct the faux data and get to the truth.  Just think of all the nerdy lab assistants they can score if they get credit for correcting the errors and getting the real temperature info out.

Leads me to believe there are other motives at work. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 03:22 PM (YBTwf)

36

As Climate Change is a religion, what happens to its congregation? What do they do?


That is the 10K dollar question.

It most certainly is a religion, and you cannot expect them to just say "Oh sorry, my bad".  You have a large group of people that are emotionally and spiritually invested in this con.  I would expect them to act the same way as a Christian or Jew would when someone questions their faith.  That is the scary part.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 27, 2009 03:23 PM (43e5j)

37

35-other motives at work???

 

Posted by: Enviro Madoff-Bernie's little scientist brother at November 27, 2009 03:23 PM (Il89O)

38
Shouldn't scientists everywhere be rushing in to correct the faux data and get to the truth.

You know how much funding would get lost by doing that?  The EPA isn't giving up that easily, heretics will be burned at the stake.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 27, 2009 03:24 PM (x++TB)

39 Those emails were all faked by evil western corporations that just want to keep raping Mother Earth.  We must press on!!!!

Posted by: environmentalist nutcase at November 27, 2009 03:25 PM (0w3vK)

40 Yea, there's already been talk of imprisoning "climate criminals" and such based on the findings of, god knows what, freaking Star chambers or the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 03:25 PM (TUcJd)

41
The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures





You know that sounds almost like an organized religion. I know a certain overweight pony-tailed guy who aint' gonna be happy about that.





Posted by: Blazer at November 27, 2009 03:25 PM (+FzLa)

42

36 Rickshaw Jack,

Yeah what is charming about the Watermelon Messianics is their singular inability to admit it is a religion to themselves though...

 

this is akin to say AP being a closet Catholic trying to live up to everything that means while playing an atheist on the intrawebs only worse....

their behavior gets too overtly religious we can sue them the way they have sued Xianity into oblivion on the public sqaure....

 

their game would be akin to my deamnding we hamstring their favorite economies in the name of forestalling Sodom and Gamorrah...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 27, 2009 03:26 PM (Il89O)

43

Even the faithful, although they won't admit it, have to be feeling a little queasy right now.  They still believe, even fervently, but its not quite the same anymore.

Trust is like virginity -- easy to lose, hard to regain.

My spaghetti and tomato sauce belly is feeling just fine. There is nothing to this but a bunch of Creationist Deniers trying desperately to hold back SCIENCE

As for the second point, I wouldn't know anything about that

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at November 27, 2009 03:26 PM (7FgWm)

44 In any pecking order there are only two members:

a pecker
and
a peckee.

CRU consists of a bunch of peckers.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 27, 2009 03:26 PM (ruzrP)

45 If you don't go along with the groupthink, you get expelled banned from the tribe.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 03:27 PM (TUcJd)

46 For a nontroversy, climate scams just keep on giving.

Posted by: Double Down On Stupid at November 27, 2009 03:29 PM (JFNQ7)

47 I am prepared to offer absolution if you fully recant now.

Posted by: Pope Phil Jones I at November 27, 2009 03:30 PM (MMC8r)

48 45 If you don't go along with the groupthink, you get expelled banned from the tribe.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 08:27 PM

Only if you are posting logical arguments a troll

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at November 27, 2009 03:30 PM (7FgWm)

49

It most certainly is a religion, and you cannot expect them to just say "Oh sorry, my bad".  You have a large group of people that are emotionally and spiritually invested in this con.  I would expect them to act the same way as a Christian or Jew would when someone questions their faith.  That is the scary part.

I've been mulling this over. Historically, religions aren't just disproved. They are normally replaced by a new religion either forcibly or as part of a social or government mandate.

Here we have secularism as a religion with abortion as a sacrament. The primary doctrine is that Gaia is in danger and needs humans to sacrifice (their progress) to make her whole again.

The religion of secularism with the U.S. as demon isn't really endangered. It will be interesting to see what new reason they come up with to require the humans to sacrifice.

They make the Aztecs seem civil, really.

Posted by: dagny at November 27, 2009 03:31 PM (ZoVvv)

50 I say we let the GW zealots just drift off into nothingness. With all of their decades of effort, millions and millions of dollars, entire bureacracies devoted to their cause, etc. they still had to fake the funk. That means there's no there there. Ignoring them (and disbanding the countless fiefdoms/cotttage industries that have sprung up) should be the new international sensibility. These dipshits have been telling people how to live for way too long already. Time for them to savor a big bowl of shut the fuck up.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 03:31 PM (7XkqZ)

51 You can see the way their minds work, the AGW Priests of the Temple. Their emails reveal these folks to be egotistical, unapproachable, intractable assholes. Their AGW hypothesis has to be right because they believe it. And once you know you are right, well then, anything you say or do to defend what you know is right is perfectly ok. Even if some of them started out as honest brokers, the AGW meme has long since taken over their minds. They are fanatics now. Shouldn't someone have made one of those Hitler in the bunker videos by now?

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:32 PM (eSNGZ)

52
No professor or researcher wants to be on the wrong side of political correctness.

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 03:32 PM (v77ig)

53 "The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production."

In other words, it's not our fault that we fudged data, straightarmed professional journals into toeing the party line, shut down critics with lies while denying the natural processes of science, and allowed the world to go into a multibillion dollar tizzy based on our lies -- it's all the fault of the IPCC making this into authoritarianism instead of science......we're all just naive researchers.....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 27, 2009 03:32 PM (u+gbs)

54 Liberalism in all its forms, is an attempt to replace God. 

These people will find something else to latch on to...their souls will demand it.

Maybe Al Gore can invest his wealth in toilet paper...now that doom and destruction aren't knocking on the door all of the celebrities can go back to double-ply, quilted and use more than one square. 

Sales should skyrocket. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 03:34 PM (YBTwf)

55 Sounds like he's saying that IPCC has become compromised, and they need to construct a new front that doesn't have the taint (heh) of scandal. Once this new front is up and running, they'll magically come up with 2000 scientists that swear that AGW is going to kill all the kittehs if we don't turn back the clocks 200 years.

Posted by: XBradTC at November 27, 2009 08:11 PM (y0E9v)





Yep, just look at ACORN, its on life support but it ain't dead. Holder just put the defibrillator paddles on them today and shocked them back to life. They'll just change the name and start funneling money to it again.

Marxists, much like rust, never sleep.

Posted by: Blazer at November 27, 2009 03:34 PM (+FzLa)

56 We don't need to turn the "true believers". It's the general public that needs to hear about this. They went along with this thinking "I'm against pollution and going green seems harmless enough".  Finding out they were lied to should get them pissed and a pissed off public won't vote for liars. Ridicule is our best weapon at this point. Brainiacs can't stand up to ridicule.

Posted by: Grant Seeking Climatologist at November 27, 2009 03:34 PM (y29/1)

57 There is a Hitler-in-the-bunker for AGW -- I don't remember exactly where I saw it, but it's right on time.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 27, 2009 03:34 PM (u+gbs)

58 Stupid sock puppet...

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at November 27, 2009 03:35 PM (y29/1)

59 The AGW folks should prepare themselves for the Five Stages.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:37 PM (eSNGZ)

60
You wanna file a grievance?

Posted by: Sock Puppet Local 104 Shop Steward at November 27, 2009 03:37 PM (v77ig)

61

I say we let the GW zealots just drift off into nothingness. With all of their decades of effort, millions and millions of dollars, entire bureacracies devoted to their cause, etc. they still had to fake the funk. That means there's no there there. Ignoring them (and disbanding the countless fiefdoms/cotttage industries that have sprung up) should be the new international sensibility. These dipshits have been telling people how to live for way too long already. Time for them to savor a big bowl of shut the fuck up.

Yes, I essentially agree--with the STFU part.  But it was (largely!) OUR money they wasted on the fake 'research.'  Ignoring them is the same thing as letting it slide...No. No way am I in favor of simply letting the MFrs just walk out without a scratch. 

 

Hanging's too good for them--they've bilked the entire F-ing WORLD!

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 03:38 PM (qUdDE)

62 AoSHQ. Come for kicking Al Gore in the nuts; stay for CD keys and lace wigs.

Posted by: Andy at November 27, 2009 03:39 PM (VMyjP)

63
You wanna file a grievance?

Nice.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 27, 2009 03:41 PM (x++TB)

64 Andrew Revkin's blog has these "climate" "scientists" trying to square a circle. "We need to get back to scientific principles, and AGW is real." Whatever, bitchez.

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 03:41 PM (GKXA7)

65 "The planet has a fever" "My brain hurts"

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:41 PM (eSNGZ)

66 "Save the planet, kick an AGW zealot"

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 03:41 PM (qUdDE)

67 Hitler Video: http://tinyurl.com/yhxwel7

Posted by: Oschisms at November 27, 2009 03:42 PM (Gs0qi)

68 All leftists are tribalists, as collectivism is tribalism.

We are just lucky that most of them are dumber than a box of rocks. If leftists had any brains, they would have subjugated all of us and destroyed humankind long ago. As it is, now, the only thing that ever stops the left is their sheer and unmitigated stupidity, and they don't even get stopped until after they've done tons and tons of damage. That is a very dangerous state of affairs. Just by the simple reasoning facts of Bernoulli trials, we are sunk, no matter how inept and stupid the left is.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 03:42 PM (A46hP)

Posted by: jason at November 27, 2009 03:43 PM (xhYYZ)

70
But yet, I'm still fucking this chicken long after it died.

Why, because I like it !

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 27, 2009 03:43 PM (+FzLa)

71 65 Andrew Revkin's blog has these "climate" "scientists" trying to square a circle. "We need to get back to scientific principles, and AGW is real."

Whatever, bitchez.

Seriously, how stupid do they think we are? If they were RIGHT about GW, they wouldn't have had to FAKE it. Even us "non-scientists" can figure that out.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 03:44 PM (7XkqZ)

72 Dateline 2015: In acknowledgement of Al Gore's birthday, today millions of Americans got in their cars and trucks and drove in circles for hours.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:45 PM (eSNGZ)

73 Andrew Revkin's blog has these "climate" "scientists" trying to square a circle. "We need to get back to scientific principles, and AGW is real."

Yeah.  The IPCC is completely wrong, but their conclusions are right, but they need to change, because they're completely right.

Posted by: Pope Phil Jones I at November 27, 2009 03:46 PM (MMC8r)

74 So what time is Air Force One taking off for Copenhagen again?

Posted by: O-nutsack at November 27, 2009 03:47 PM (LeFbD)

75 There are a couple of emails between CRU/Michael Mann and Revkin in the ClimateGate files. Watch for him to try to delicately save his own ass.

Posted by: Andy at November 27, 2009 03:48 PM (VMyjP)

76 The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures I didn't know you were allowed to say "primitive" at the UN.

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 03:48 PM (GKXA7)

77

Can't wait to see what BS Algore & Co. come up with for their smokescreen.

 

Invest in popcorn futures...yeah, that's it....

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 03:48 PM (qUdDE)

78 So what time is Air Force One taking off for Copenhagen again? ---------------- When the clock strikes thirteen.

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 03:49 PM (GKXA7)

79 Seriously, it is fantastical how deceitful the MSM has been in refusing to investigate this story.  What a loathsome, untrustworthy crowd they are.  They are as much to blame for the downfall of Western civilization as any Communist politician.

Posted by: Twinks at November 27, 2009 03:49 PM (LeFbD)

80 75 So what time is Air Force One taking off for Copenhagen again?

I hope Obama incorporates some of the usual scare-numbers from CRU/IPCC during his teleprompter session. The whole world will realize he's living in an alternate reality.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 03:50 PM (7XkqZ)

81 You know how pitchmen and hucksters always say, "Better call now, this offer won't last long!"? Yet the 'offer' seems to far outlast the urgency. This is the same thing with the 'dire' warnings from the Warmists. For instance, the info for tonight's Bill Moyers show has this: "Depsite dire warnings for our endangered planet, Jane Goodall says all is not lost -- we can change our course if we act now." lol @ Act now! Call now! And isn't is it nice to know all is not lost? Thanks, Jane, you monkey diddler. I hope a chimp eats your face, someday, btw. How is what she said any different from a charlatan tv evangelist saying, "You're going to Hell! But if you call now, Jesus, through me, will save you!"?

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 27, 2009 03:50 PM (Uf4aV)

82 I thought Air Force One is now powered by a gigawatt Skittle Fusion Reactor and only emits a faint strawberry and marshmallow smell these days.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:51 PM (eSNGZ)

83

I didn't know you were allowed to say "primitive" at the UN.

As in bitter clinger not aboriginal.

So what time is Air Force One taking off for Copenhagen again?

Right after he and Oprah film the Christmas special with the special unharvested "green" tree with "green" decorations and "green" lights and other "green" Kwanza decorations.

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 03:52 PM (KyBY8)

84 Twinks, it appears they are even deliberately missing the story about the Aussie resignations. What do you call that? Arrogant and dismissive?

Posted by: arhooley at November 27, 2009 03:52 PM (GKXA7)

85 Air Farce One is now powered by a Unicorn running inside a giant wheel, connected to a generator.

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 03:53 PM (qUdDE)

86
The whole world will realize he's living in an alternate reality.

Actually, they'll just know he's part of the their marxist cabal.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 27, 2009 03:54 PM (x++TB)

87

We were wrong about Global Warming. We have models that show that carbon dioxide is increasing Earth's gravitational pull and that the moon will crash into the Earth next summer if we don't do something now! NOW! NOW! NOW!

Posted by: libtard's new meme at November 27, 2009 03:55 PM (NNDMb)

88 Notice how the AGW folks never say the answer to the crisis is to cut the electricity feed into Manhattan by 80%? Or, no more five-star restaurants?

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 03:56 PM (eSNGZ)

89 Obama in Copenhagen is reminiscent of Bagdad Bob

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 03:56 PM (KyBY8)

90 72...That's the best part...this is easy to understand and follow.  If you have to work so hard to get the data to prove your theory, maybe the theory is the issue.  People will get that and no nuanced explanations will be so simple to follow and grasp.  Maybe belief in AGW doesn't completely disappear, but how many average toilet paper wasters are going to be willing to sign on to trillions in fixes for a problem they are less sure is really a problem.

80...The MSM didn't learn their lesson with Van Jones, apparently.  Maybe they are all still busy fact-checking the SNL skit.  But this story has legs, and they will eventually have to report something.  Although Eugene Robinson tried and I'm the stupider for reading his attempt. 

 


Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 03:57 PM (YBTwf)

91

For instance, the info for tonight's Bill Moyers show has this: "Depsite dire warnings for our endangered planet, Jane Goodall says all is not lost -- we can change our course if we act now."

Jane, you ignorant slut!

Posted by: Dan Ackroyd at November 27, 2009 03:57 PM (7FgWm)

92

Notice how the AGW folks never say the answer to the crisis is to cut the electricity feed into Manhattan by 80%?

That's why I'm such a big fan of "The Day after Tomorrow". Not only is it the funniest movie I've seen in years but I love what happens to Manhatten and LA.

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 03:58 PM (KyBY8)

93 29 ClimateGate prompted me to go back and re-read this Michael Crichton speech on environmentalism as a religion.

He couldn't have been more right. It's a shame he didn't live to see this scam begin to unravel.

Posted by: Andy at November 27, 2009 08:18 PM (VMyjP)

Just in case anyone missed it, a British court just ruled, less than a month ago, that Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming idiocy constitute a religion for the purposes of employment:

Climate change belief given same legal status as religion

An executive has won the right to sue his employer on the basis that he was unfairly dismissed for his green views after a judge ruled that environmentalism had the same weight in law as religious and philosophical beliefs.

Now, I don't place any importance in the rulings of courts (which have demonstrated more of a schizophrenic break with reality and lack of intelligent reasoning than just about any other group - save climate pseudo-scientists) but this was funny, anyway.

The moral of the story is that leftists can lose both sides of the argument at the same time.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 03:58 PM (A46hP)

94

#22

good point, definitely some Twelve Monkey-types in that bunch.

can't go around being afraid of them though.

Posted by: shoey at November 27, 2009 03:59 PM (RxUMK)

95 At this point the "Greens" have blessed us with the DDT scandal, the bromide scandal, the Acid Rain debacle, the recycling industry, the Ozone Hole BS, (am I missing any), and this Global Warming conspiracy.  This "science" has cost us hundreds of millions of dead from malaria, increased production costs across a wide swath of the economy, and billions in misspent research dollars. 

When do they (the environmentalists) have to start answering the hard questions, specifically what is economic impact of there proposals and how does their science scale to the real environment of googolplex size.  If we can't introduce science into the FAA systems without four nines of confidence, field a new pair of socks to soldiers without two years of ATEC testing, or administer a drop of a desperately needed drug without years of testing -- what are we doing implementing economy crippling environmental regulations without comparable review.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 03:59 PM (xCBQ4)

96 We are wise to remember that the only things that match the Marxist dedication of the MSM scum are their stupidity and ignorance. Many of them have no clue about anything and can barely dress themselves without falling out a window.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 04:00 PM (eSNGZ)

97

Climate change belief given same legal status as religion

 

This is wonderful news!  NOW we can sue RE: the separation of church and state!!!

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:01 PM (qUdDE)

98 Whatever they do, they can't let go of carbon dioxide as their Satan. It's the perfect evil for their agenda.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 27, 2009 04:02 PM (NNDMb)

99

Every year or so I end up coming back to Anne Douglas' "The Feminization of American Culture." When she wrote it, she didn't know she agreed with us. It gives an excellent account of how the clergymen who were put out of comfortable state incomes by the Disestablishment movement in the generation after the Revolution ended up forming all of American "Victorianism," and most of what is the liberal establishment today. It's a good case study of what things might look like at The Goremitage about now.

It sets dangerous precedent politically, but this come-uppance calls for much more inquiry than the usual subcommittee hearing. To keep the serpents' heads from re-emerging, there would have to be a worldwide scrubdown similar to the war crimes trials--the real ones, after WWII. With the Current Party in Power you won't get that, but it would be worth changing Current Parties for.

At a bare minimum, I'd like to see some advanced degrees revoked, the UN's role eliminated, and some ass-kicking costs-and-damages claims in court. We're talking trillions here already, not even counting Dagny's light bulbs and our pride.  

Posted by: comatus at November 27, 2009 04:03 PM (/VEEI)

100

Oops, my bad...UK/US discrepancy there on the church/state...well, once they try to use foreign laws as a basis for US decision, ...THEN we can try it.

 

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:03 PM (qUdDE)

101
Acting Now = establishing a carbon-credit market

Yes, that will save the planet!

A tax for a world government RIGHT NOW will stop global warming!

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 04:04 PM (Uf4aV)

102

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 09:01 PM (qUdDE)

That smirking douchebag needs to get walloped across the face with a pillow case full of warm dogshit.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 27, 2009 04:05 PM (NNDMb)

103 Boycott carbon credits

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:05 PM (qUdDE)

104 As this continues to go south for the AGW worshipers, I do think that some R controlled state houses will be requesting reimbursement of research grants given to universities who were complicit in this fraudulent research. 

They may not get much money back, but it will be a way to put more light on the scandal. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 04:06 PM (YBTwf)

105
Control the CO2, control the evil Western imperialistic world.

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 04:06 PM (Uf4aV)

106 Hello #103?  Did I say something wrong?

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:07 PM (qUdDE)

107 107 Hello #103? Did I say something wrong?

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 09:07 PM (qUdDE)

I think the "smirking douchebag" being referred to was the guy on the image at the link, not you.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 04:09 PM (A46hP)

108 Cool...that's what I hoped, but being relatively new here.....I wasn't too sure.

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (qUdDE)

109
The only thing I hate more than monkeys and people who like monkeys is a smirking British douche bag.

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (Uf4aV)

110 I wish the AGW community nothing but the best for Christmas; the best GAO and DCAA audits that is.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (xCBQ4)

111

Hello #103?  Did I say something wrong?

No, I was referring to the picture of the git who claimed GW as a religion! Sorry for the confusion.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (NNDMb)

112 104 Boycott carbon credits Posted by: Stillwater

Let's just declare hydrogen the new evil and start selling hydrogen credits.
This time we're on the ground floor, baby!!!

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (7XkqZ)

113 Climate Scientist = Obama

Global Cooling = Nobel

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 27, 2009 04:10 PM (DIYmd)

114

The main stream media continue to hide this exposure of the hoax and the majority of Americans and the world have not been told of these charlatans.

 

For example in Trinidad in the Caribbean just today there is an ongoing meeting of the Commonwealth  Heads of Government which is being attended by countries like those in the Caribbean plus the UK, India, Australia, Uganda, etc. The President of France and the UK Prime Minister is attending and possibly also Harper from Canada.  While there they are saying that the meeting aside from regular business is a PREAMBLE to Copenhagen.

 

Well here is how they are covering up the climate hoax as if it is not happening and I quote from an article from the BBC which is one of the socialist  UK government funded aiders and abettors of the farce that is climate change:

 

"UK PM Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy have proposed a multi-billion-dollar fund to help developing nations deal with climate change.

Mr Brown said the $10bn (£6bn) fund should also be used to help developing nations cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Both spoke at the Commonwealth summit in Trinidad, the last major world forum before the global summit on climate change in Copenhagen on 7 December.

Many Commonwealth members are island states threatened by rising sea levels.

Mr Sarkozy, with UN chief Ban Ki-moon and Danish Prime Minister Prime Lars Loekke Rasmussen, is there to give weight to any climate change statement.

The topic is the only issue on the Commonwealth summit's agenda for the first day. "

 

So as far as they are concerned - nothing has changed and they will continue this socialist attempt to control more and more of our lives.

Posted by: joseph at November 27, 2009 04:12 PM (d566u)

115 ***passes a flask of Valu-Rite to Alex's Cabin***

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:13 PM (qUdDE)

116 You will all pay for mocking my weird science. I bid you adieu!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 27, 2009 04:13 PM (554T5)

117 Dear Climate Scientists:

You get your next check from us when we get all the data and materials we paid for with our last check.

Sincerely,

The Taxpayers

Posted by: nickless at November 27, 2009 04:14 PM (MMC8r)

118 111 I wish the AGW community nothing but the best for Christmas; the best GAO and DCAA audits that is.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 09:10 PM (xCBQ4)

You're far too nice. I wish brazen bulls for the lot of them.

Live by lies about man-made warming, die by some real man-made warming.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 04:14 PM (A46hP)

119 99, Indeed so. CO2 can be tied into everything. They won't give it up without a fight. They have searched everywhere for the perfect device and they found something that may just be it.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 04:14 PM (eSNGZ)

120 So as far as they are concerned - nothing has changed and they will continue this socialist attempt to control more and more of our lives.

You've seen how penguins check to see if there's a shark lurking in the water under their ice, no?  They shove one bugger off the ice and see if he gets eaten.  So too, here.  Everybody's waiting for someone to figure out what to say, and be the first to say it so they can see what's going to happen next.  And because of the issues with email, all of the discussion has to go on via voice, which takes a long, long, time.  Expect the papers to cover this, though, when there's an approved and agreed upon message that has been tested by some poor dude who was forced to take the dive.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 27, 2009 04:16 PM (OOehk)

121 I'll know they really believe the day they propose the construction of 200 brand-spanking new, modern nuclear reactors right here in the US of A.

I have quite a wait ahead to be sure.

Posted by: Big Joe Biden at November 27, 2009 04:16 PM (B5cM9)

122 Interesting.  I was just yammering about their tribalism here the other day. 

Posted by: Chef Boy RD (rdb) at November 27, 2009 04:16 PM (UuACa)

123 My calculations indicate Earth is about to be eaten by an enormous mutant Star Goat.

However, with enough money, I can complete my work in enormous mutant Star Goat repellent, and...

Hey, don't question me.  The science is settled.

Posted by: nickless at November 27, 2009 04:16 PM (MMC8r)

124 Somebody big has to call "Bullshit!" on live TV.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2009 04:17 PM (eSNGZ)

125 That does it. I'm taking my oxygen atoms and going home.

Posted by: Carbon Dioxide at November 27, 2009 04:17 PM (554T5)

126

***passes a flask of Valu-Rite to Alex's Cabin***

Thanks you my good man. I see you have impeccable tastes!

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 27, 2009 04:17 PM (NNDMb)

127 I still want to launch Algore out of a clown-cannon. OK?

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 27, 2009 04:18 PM (F71c5)

128 The europeans need to go along with the scam, because they want an agreement.  They need it as they passed their crap & tax 5 years ago and it has put their industries at a disadvantage.  So instead of killing theirs, they want us all to be brought down to their level.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 27, 2009 04:18 PM (DIYmd)

129

had to adjust my sock

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 04:18 PM (UuACa)

130 progress - so you've never been audited.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 04:18 PM (xCBQ4)

131 I asked a fifteen year old today if she had heard about the global warming fraud that was exposed this week in the news. She politely told me that she believed in global warming and that was the end of the subject. I felt like I was telling a three year old there was no Santa Claus.

Posted by: td at November 27, 2009 04:19 PM (sSHTM)

132 I still want to launch Algore out of a clown-cannon. OK?

I don't think they make an 80-inch gun.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 27, 2009 04:20 PM (554T5)

133

Q: why do the tree huggers want to starve trees of carbon dioxide? I thought enviro-weenies loved trees.

Great question. But I think they do care.  Remember that viral video with several of them howling and crying about the trees and the forest?  Yeah, that's it.  Some of them love the CO2.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 04:21 PM (UuACa)

134 132 progress - so you've never been audited.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 09:18 PM (xCBQ4)

Heh. Touche.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 04:21 PM (A46hP)

135 progress, I have an agw related domain name yad061.com and .net if you have any suggestions please email -- delavalette@ymail.com

I was going to populated it with a bunch of stuff related to the One Tree -- then this broke.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 04:22 PM (xCBQ4)

136 So the interesting thing is will the president of the USA stand up and lie to the public?

Posted by: bill-tb at November 27, 2009 04:24 PM (iiiMw)

137

Go google "post-normal science", and learn what  "to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production" means.

We're back to High Priests, keepers of Secret Knowledge. not meant for mere groundlings.

Think of the priest strutting atop the pyramid in Apocalypto, and you'll have it pretty much right.

Posted by: effinayright at November 27, 2009 04:24 PM (7M8Py)

138 Jean, if I think of anything good I'll send it to you.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 04:25 PM (A46hP)

139 I cast the runes!

I read the tea leaves!

I foresaw the destruction of the Earth by fire in the entrails of a yearling sheep!




Posted by: Phil Jones, neo-druid at November 27, 2009 04:25 PM (MMC8r)

140


"Great question. But I think they do care.  Remember that viral video with several of them howling and crying about the trees and the forest?  Yeah, that's it.  Some of them love the CO2.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 09:21 PM (UuACa)"





Yea, that was a hoot. I wish I could have been there with a Poulan to start bringing them baby's down right in front of 'em.

Posted by: Blazer at November 27, 2009 04:27 PM (+FzLa)

141 So the interesting thing is will the president of the USA stand up and lie to the public?

If past experience is any guide, the answer is yes.  I mean, why would he change things for this?

Posted by: Popcorn at November 27, 2009 04:27 PM (OOehk)

142

So the interesting despicable thing is will the president of the USA will stand up and lie to the public again?

 

FIFY

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:28 PM (qUdDE)

143

My calculations indicate Earth is about to be eaten by an enormous mutant Star Goat.

Yeah, you think that's funny.  Look at a Star Goat's attitude toward eating.  They'll eat anything.  Anything.

Be afriad.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 04:30 PM (UuACa)

144 But to Obama, it's not lying.  Not technically.  Since he believes in the "revolutionary truth," then anything he says that advances the revolution is, by (new) definition, the truth.

Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2009 04:31 PM (XH/G8)

145 The question isn't if The One will lie to us, it is whether or not the TOTUS will realize that as a product of modern industry it and its kind cannot survive in a carbon capped world and revolt.  Leaving The One babbling incoherently about some wee-wee'd cloud thingys and Change!

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 04:34 PM (xCBQ4)

146 I hate these charlatan fuckers with the unhidden, untricked rise of a thousand suns.

Posted by: logprof at November 27, 2009 04:35 PM (I3Udb)

147

anything he says that advances the revolution is, by (new) definition, the truth.

 

Prolefeed.   Created at Minitrue. 

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:35 PM (qUdDE)

148 Thought Experiment: How would the media have reacted if, in 2005, a cache of emails were discovered in which Bush advisers discussed how to fake WMD data to implicate Iraq? Do you think it might have been handled a little differently than the MSM are handling the current email scandal?

Posted by: V the K at November 27, 2009 04:35 PM (yxBaM)

149 I still want to launch Algore out of a clown-cannon. OK?
I don't think they make an 80-inch gun.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 27, 2009 09:20 PM (554T5)


You don't ask for much do you?

Posted by: Herr Krupps the cannon making Kraut at November 27, 2009 04:36 PM (LswIE)

150

Yea, that was a hoot. I wish I could have been there with a Poulan to start bringing them baby's down right in front of 'em.

See how much they love the CO2?  When you crank-up your Poulan, they'll leave offerings at your feet.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 04:37 PM (UuACa)

151

I blame HG Wells. No, really, I do. Despite being an absolutely stultivatin' stylist, several generations of nerds ate up his Fabian shit about scientists joyfully ruling the world. This led down stream to ethical embarrassments like the "Voyage to the Bottom" pilot movie, with Walter Pidgeon and Peter Lorre, where it was real cool for a sub commander to go rogue while the UN discussed the ignited Van Allen belts. It was To Save The Earth. In lame SciFi, there's always world government and a Chief Scientist to run things.

That's what these gormless dweebs dream of in their bunks. That's who they think they've grown up to be. I reckon they haven't grown up at all. 

It's Dr. Robert Stadler of the State Science Institute.

Posted by: comatus at November 27, 2009 04:39 PM (/VEEI)

152 Waaaaaaaah! Their religion is dead. Long live their new religion! THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN GODS DIE

Posted by: naturalfake at November 27, 2009 04:39 PM (HylJ6)

153  AGW will be replaced by the "Green Movement". After all they are one and the same in their means to destroy civilization as we know it and replace it with a civilization that will make cave man seem modern.

Posted by: Mike W at November 27, 2009 04:39 PM (7QO3K)

154 PS - Be on the lookout for just how incredible Black Friday sales are cause, ya know, everybody shops more now that O is prez and how its now good to go shopping in your gas guzzling SUV during the holiday season.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 27, 2009 04:40 PM (DIYmd)

155 The NY Times famously ran with Nietzsche's "God is Dead" - does anyone think they will run with "Gaia passes".

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2009 04:43 PM (xCBQ4)

156 I usually don't buy products claiming to be "green" or "eco-"  No need to start now....

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 04:45 PM (qUdDE)

157 150 Thought Experiment: How would the media have reacted if, in 2005, a cache of emails were discovered in which Bush advisers discussed how to fake WMD data to implicate Iraq? Do you think it might have been handled a little differently than the MSM are handling the current email scandal?

Here's an even better one. How would the media react if the Bush Administration were accused of suppressing global warming data by the now beclowned and discredited James Hansen of  NASA? Well, they'd react like this, i especially like the title of the article, heh.

Posted by: koopy at November 27, 2009 04:48 PM (XllG0)

158

Even more of a left turn for the Liberal's coming up. It's time to blame Bush even more for messing up the world, thus globing warming is more and more even the fault of Bush. That lie of fake information coming out on the internet must be met with a wall of silence. That is the only way of making it a quick death.

Posted by: mystry at November 27, 2009 04:49 PM (kmgIE)

159 Pretty soon, some company/politician/performer is going to get real bold with the "AGW is dead" message. People are dying to hear it.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 04:49 PM (7XkqZ)

160 Pretty soon, some company/politician/performer is going to get real bold with the "AGW is dead" message. People are dying to hear it.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 09:49 PM (7XkqZ)

--Inhofe is pretty much there already.  He even knew it was a hoax before this.

Posted by: logprof at November 27, 2009 04:54 PM (I3Udb)

161 I want to see projectile from the Left. Super Happy Fun Slide!

Posted by: Corona at November 27, 2009 04:58 PM (+xghX)

162 After some shilling for Amazon, Cahrsel keeps fucking that chicken;

Lord Christopher Monckton is often cited by anti-AGW websites as a credible figure to argue against global warming, despite the fact that he has no scientific background, and has even been caught several times cherry-picking and faking data to make his arguments.


Posted by: kbdabear at November 27, 2009 04:58 PM (sYxEE)

163 It's hilarious watching Cahsel spending the whole day "laughing off" a "non-issue"

"Ditto!" cried Tweedlemuta. "Ditto! Ditto!" cried TweedleTrout"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 27, 2009 05:02 PM (sYxEE)

164 You guys are en fuego!

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 05:03 PM (UuACa)

165

Pretty soon, some company/politician/performer is going to get real bold with the "AGW is dead" message. People are dying to hear it.

If someone in Hollywood with balls wants to make some serious coin, all they have to do is make a big screen adaptation of State of Fear. I'm not holding my breath but it would be pretty f'ing awesome!

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 27, 2009 05:04 PM (NNDMb)

166 Posted by: kbdabear at November 27,

Stupid fuckin' Charles. Who cares about Lord Monckton? We don't need "credible anti-AGW figures" any more. Or any other kind. We've seen the sausage being made, and it's just as bad as we've always suspected. Time to wrap up this peculiar slice of human history and move forward into a new era of climate reality.
Imagine, a world where weather is treated as a natural phenomenoon...

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 05:05 PM (7XkqZ)

167

But don't be too en fuego.  You'll scare the AGW cultists.

Listen to this great en fuego song instead.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 05:05 PM (UuACa)

168 Apparently if you listen to Cahrsel and the other AGW cultists, scientists have no human traits called deceit, ego, greed, or incompetence


Posted by: kbdabear at November 27, 2009 05:07 PM (sYxEE)

Posted by: koopy at November 27, 2009 05:09 PM (XllG0)

170 If AGW gets completely debunked, Cahrsel can no longer try to score with chicks who love that he rides his bike to be "green". He'll just be another middle aged douchebag who can't afford a nice car.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 27, 2009 05:11 PM (sYxEE)

171 I usually don't buy products claiming to be "green" or "eco-"

If it makes economic sense, I'll buy green stuff.  I switched my crib to CFL's years ago and knocked many hundreds of bucks off the power bill with them over the years.  They do pay for themselves. 

The CFL floods up on the gable (which need a ladder and are a hassle to change) have been in service for over 6 years now.  Incandescent floods would have required changing a couple of times a year as well as sucking a lot more power.  When dawn/dusk electric eye switches fail, its usually at higher current loads.  Take'em much over 300W and they start to get into a short lifespan zone, no matter what their claimed wattage rating is.  My dawn/dusk eyes have been in place since around 2003 with out failure. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 05:11 PM (IxTLq)

172 The British press will push this story.  The American press, not so much.

The American press will be dagged by the hair kicking and screaming foul explitives until they have to admit that Spotted Al Gore is a lying bastard child of satan.

Or maybe not.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:13 PM (Rytlc)

173

The British press will push this story.  The American press, not so much.

That is freaky-deaky.  Never thot I'd wanna live in Europe.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 05:14 PM (UuACa)

174 Posted by: kbdabear

What these scientists lacked was a willingness to open their minds just a tiny little bit in the name of the truth. They simply refused to do it and instead actively worked to hide the truth.
It's no wonder CJ feels a certain kinship with the deceitful bastards on the Gore gravy train. Birds of a feather.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 27, 2009 05:15 PM (7XkqZ)

175

CFL's are OK...I do use those. 

It's just that the green-ness or eco-ness of a product won't usually be the deciding factor in whether I make a purchase.....

Posted by: Stillwater at November 27, 2009 05:18 PM (qUdDE)

176 Spotted Al has already made a cool $100 mil.  He stands to be as rich as G. Soros if not-cutting-down-trees becomes a part of Cap and Trade.

That's right.  He doesn't even have to plant trees.  He just has to not cut them down to make hundreds of millions of gov'mint dollars.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:20 PM (Rytlc)

177

Tree huggers would rather see trees burn,  see California Wildfires. No Logging; No Cleanup of under brush. No Thinning;  No Letting Cows or Sheep Permits to graze in forests thick with rich natural grass and feed, No Harvest of Diseased trees bug infested endangering healthy trees...etc ad nausius. 30-40 YEARS this has been going on.

TreeHuggers want em to burn.

Posted by: lowest strata at November 27, 2009 05:22 PM (xhUAQ)

178 179 Spotted Al has already made a cool $100 mil.  He stands to be as rich as G. Soros if not-cutting-down-trees becomes a part of Cap and Trade.

That's right.  He doesn't even have to plant trees.  He just has to not cut them down to make hundreds of millions of gov'mint dollars.

With his carbon credit swapping scam, Fat Albert is literally making a fortune out of thin air

Posted by: kbdabear at November 27, 2009 05:24 PM (sYxEE)

179 Or smokey air.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:27 PM (Rytlc)

180 Al Gore's "legacy" 50 years from now will be going down in the history books as a bigger scammer than Bernie Madoff.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 27, 2009 05:28 PM (IxTLq)

181 A pyramid scheme?  You buy into my carbon credits to get in on the ground floor...

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:30 PM (Rytlc)

182 When does ClimateGate really break out?  I was forced to bring up this topic at Thanksgiving yesterday with my nice, uberlib bro-in-law, and all he could say was "I trust the many scientists who believe in climate change."  Finally, I said, "you'll see, very soon, Al Gore will be seen as the new Joe McCarthy.

Uh, who are these "many scientists," and when do they start deserting the climate change ship?

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 27, 2009 05:31 PM (zL+qc)

183 "The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures" This is junk. Information locality is a property of our reality starting from at least the level of quantum information exchange. Tribalism can not be eliminated. "The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production" This is correct, and the guy deserves credit for saying it.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at November 27, 2009 05:33 PM (m4Fi1)

184 That's a great article and he does a terrific job. Sadly, he'll probably be excoriated as a heretic, because the guys who are behind this are extremists who will brook no questioning. Unlike the fruitcakes such as Mann, he seems genuinely interested in doing good science.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 27, 2009 05:34 PM (PQY7w)

185 In this context, tribalism isn't only about shunning the outsider.  It's about the reflexive impulse to destroy the outsider to preserve the honor of the tribe.  It's exactly the same type of dynamic that is at work in Afghanistan or the Rwandan-Congolese border.

The good thing is that this dynamic can be turned against the evil tribe members, when it becomes obvious that their claim on the tribe's loyalty and honor is actually harmful to the tribe's survival.  Maybe the scientist calling for the IPCC to expire is the first sign of an East Anglia Awakening.

Posted by: stuiec at November 27, 2009 05:36 PM (Ate22)

186

What about my friggin' lightbulbs?

With the world finding out that "coastlines inhabited for thousands of years" are not about to "cease to exist" like Obama promised the UN, they may forget about my lightbulbs.

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 05:37 PM (gQJ8q)

187 Rather than posting a bunch of links, everyone should take a look-see over at Watts Up With That?

The posts are coming fast and furious.

The capper is Mann 'discovering' the Medieval Warm Period, with his own personal twist of course.

This shit coming apart like a $10 suit at the Dry Cleaners.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 27, 2009 05:38 PM (lYKj1)

188

In this context, tribalism isn't only about shunning the outsider.  It's about the reflexive impulse to destroy the outsider to preserve the honor of the tribe.  It's exactly the same type of dynamic that is at work in Afghanistan or the Rwandan-Congolese border.

Nice.  And elsewhere.  How about that O'Bama Lizard Woman who went after Fox and got fired?  She tried to make Fox into the class nerd.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 05:38 PM (UuACa)

189

Gore told us 9 years ago that by next year Indianaoplis would have fucking palm trees and ocean front property.  During that 9 years temperatures did not rise AT ALL.  That is during the G.W.BUSH admin, world temperatures did not increase.    Gores waistline and bank accounts increased.

Do the math dumb fuck libtards.

Posted by: gus at November 27, 2009 05:39 PM (MaqIC)

190 The "class nerd" is the guy who actually ends up making a good living.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:41 PM (Rytlc)

191 I don't think Anita Dunn got fired. They all knew she was leaving by the end of the year to make room for her husband. The old White House lawyer Gerg Craig was getting axed for his botching the initial vetting. Now Anita's husband is the WH attorney. It's incest in the marxist household of O and M'chelle.

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 05:42 PM (Lc3jv)

192 Via Wizbang which linked to a new Lucianne.com Blog thing, SEARCHABLE version of the ClimateGate e-mails!

http://www.eastangliaemails.com/search.php

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 27, 2009 05:42 PM (zL+qc)

193 Good old fashioned Chicago nepotism.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:43 PM (Rytlc)

194 It's turtles, all the way down.

Posted by: East Anglia climate scientist at November 27, 2009 05:45 PM (PD1tk)

195

Dagny of course Dunn wasn't fired.  Once again do the math.  Wife is fricking kook nut job Marxist ass hot idiot moron.  She runs her SALAMANDER LIP SMACKING mouth in public, talks about Mao being on of the people she "turns to" and makes herself "under the bus ready".    Opie completely agrees with her, and swaps her NUTTY UGLY FAT ASS for her hubbies.

Logic my friends.  I Anita Dunn was fired, why would hubbie come aboard willingly??

Posted by: gus at November 27, 2009 05:46 PM (MaqIC)

196 See, I think they knew they were making the trade and sent her out to trash Fox to see if it would work. Then if they got shit for it, it was just from a soon to be ex-employee, if  the exhiling of Fox was accepted, then they could just keep it up. The networks didn't go for it as far as the WH briefings were concerned but the cherry on the sundae for us was Anita's Mao loving speech. I acutually wished a long-timer would have said it and would have been fired because we were getting her replaced anyway.

Posted by: Dagny at November 27, 2009 05:51 PM (Lc3jv)

197 I'll get even with you, if it takes me the rest of my life.

Posted by: class nerd ag at November 27, 2009 05:51 PM (xhUAQ)

198 <blockquote>
“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

 "Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, <b>we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a <i>scientific-technological elite</i>.</b>” (emphasis added)
</blockquote>


Every Liberal remembers Eisenhower warning against the, "military-industrial complex" but few if any know his second stated warming in that same farewell message, his warning against the, "<a href="http://tinyurl.com/kju6ka">scientific-technological elite</a>"

This speech could have been made last week, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/97d9d">read the whole thing.</a>
David

Posted by: LifeTrek at November 27, 2009 05:54 PM (tJTIW)

199 Anita won't be the last.  There is a whole slew of marxists to be dealt with.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 05:55 PM (Rytlc)

200

Class nerd.   Look at Anita Dunn.  OUCH.  Sebelius  EWWWW.   Browner.   2 brown bagger,  Tiny Tim Geithner,  From the land of misfit tax cheats.  Rahm Emanuel,   Tiny Dancer.   David "Snidely Whiplash" Axelknob.  Crazy Joe Biden,  James "ALMOND JOY, sometimes you feel like a nut" Holdren.  Kevin Jennings.  Steven "Paint it white" Chu.   Eric "Hold the charges against libs and blacks" Holder,  Obama has hired freaks.

Posted by: gus at November 27, 2009 05:58 PM (MaqIC)

201 LOL.  Gus has hit the nail on the head.  One at a time they will be taken down.  If GW had this many resignations, well...

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 06:00 PM (Rytlc)

202 Would someone in the media, any media, ask Al Gore

"What would it take for you to determine (admit) AGW isn't quite what we thought?  20 years of declining or static temps?  30?  5 years of no major hurricanes?  10?  3000 emails detailing fraudulent or mis-guided science?  5000?  Seriously, Al, what would it take? And as a follow-up, why wouldn't you rejoice that AGW isn't the big scary monster you thought?"

Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 06:02 PM (YBTwf)

203 Exactly!  If Global Ball Busting was finally found to be a crank, wouldn't you be happy?

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 06:04 PM (Rytlc)

204 Check out LGF. Poor Blow Job Johnson. Mere months after he morphed into a climo-tard, the whole house of cards came down. Now the poor pillow-biting popsicle-boy is in balls-to-the-wall denial mode. Can you say, schadenfreude? Fun to watch.

Posted by: Angus Dei at November 27, 2009 06:09 PM (WAI6U)

205 It's now called referred to as Mann-made global warming...after Dr. Michael Mann of Penn State...soon to be state pen

Posted by: beedubya at November 27, 2009 06:12 PM (AnTyA)

206 What will the next domino to fall be?  There is no way this is over and no doubt many more examples of deceit, fraud, weak science, and cover-up to be found. 

Are scientific skeptics filing FOIA requests at every major climate research center in the US?  They should be. 

Are R pols like Newt, Gramnesty, and JMac prepping their apologies?

What is next?  Certainly has to be more. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 27, 2009 06:17 PM (YBTwf)

207 Newt Gingrich on the couch with Nancy.  That's the image in my mind.  He is the first well-toasted semi-rino to be thrown under the R bus.  I will never support him again.

GET ME A CHECK LIST!

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 06:24 PM (Rytlc)

208

Funny to watch the libs fall for things like the " war was for oil and Halliburtan ", but when you tell them global warming is a scam a million times worse because it's actually real, they shrug and say they agree with " the scientists ".

I swear these people are retarded to the core.

Posted by: Magic KIngdom at November 27, 2009 06:26 PM (amSe4)

209 Ideal-bugs.  But they are losing their broad base.

I used to be a JFK dem.  My friends are still JFK dems, but...  They are now independents, whether they know it or not.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 27, 2009 06:33 PM (Rytlc)

210 The "news" in New York is simply IGNORING the climate emails scandal. IGNORING IT.

At last we have our answer to the old riddle: "If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?"

Leftard: "NO!"

Posted by: Beverly at November 27, 2009 07:08 PM (er5qS)

211 Big deal.  So I cut and paste a bit.

Cold is the new hot.

Posted by: The very reclusive Mr. Gore at November 27, 2009 07:39 PM (SL3qo)

212 Having told people about how many leftest nuts there are in academia what do I find when I search the web?  You peeps are all talking about Michael Mann.  I thought you meant the Miami Vice guy.  Boy I was wrong.  Where did that asswipe go to school? UC Berkekly!  The left wint nut job capital of the world!  PSU should fire his dishonest, greedy, corropt, ass.  He is a disgrace to PSU and JoePa.  The students and alumni should push for his dismissel

The news said it was snowing in Happy Valley.  According to his lies, he thinks he is in Cali.

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at November 27, 2009 08:22 PM (pU4D7)

213 Wait, I'm grappling with the concept...

You mean the creature of a bloated, unaccountable bureaucracy composed of the cream of the world's thugs, mugs and shysters might be... politicized?

G'wan wit yo bad self.

Posted by: mojo at November 27, 2009 08:32 PM (5MA1v)

214 I can not say what happens at most Universities, but I found that many proffesours, when they are back from  their vacations  research trips around the world at students expense,  they maybe only teach 1/2 or 2/3 of the classes because they have kids working for their masters giving the rest of the classes.  It is tough to work so hard in the colleges when you have to leave your latte and capacino meetings with  friends  co-worksers to teach class.

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at November 27, 2009 08:39 PM (pU4D7)

215

I don't think Anita Dunn got fired. They all knew she was leaving by the end of the year to make room for her husband. The old White House lawyer Gerg Craig was getting axed for his botching the initial vetting. Now Anita's husband is the WH attorney. It's incest in the marxist household of O and M'chelle.

Hi, Anita!

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 08:57 PM (UuACa)

216 In other words, Piltdown Man was fake but accurate?

Posted by: a.k.a. the man with no name at November 27, 2009 08:07 PM (v77ig)

It's interesting that Piltdown Man was "discovered" so close to the University of East Anglia, less than 200 miles away, on nearly the same longitude. What are the odds of that? Wouldn't it be funny if some descendants of the Piltdown fraudsters were at East Anglia? Maybe it's something in the east English water?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 27, 2009 08:59 PM (A46hP)

217

Class nerd.   Look at Anita Dunn.  OUCH.  Sebelius  EWWWW.   Browner.   2 brown bagger,  Tiny Tim Geithner,  From the land of misfit tax cheats.  Rahm Emanuel,   Tiny Dancer.   David "Snidely ...

I know.  Dunn was just trying to use what she learned a long time ago.  She stopped maturing in 7th grade when the popular kids started ignoring her.

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 09:01 PM (UuACa)

218 It's tribalism, babay!

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 27, 2009 09:03 PM (UuACa)

219 progressoverpeace: "It's interesting that Piltdown Man was "discovered" so close to the University of East Anglia, less than 200 miles away." With the proper normalization, I'm sure PiltMan can be shown to be representative of East Anglia.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at November 28, 2009 05:44 AM (RUXZy)

Posted by: beijing massage at November 28, 2009 11:55 PM (SWlF1)

221 Re 56: You are quite right, the best way to show up these Green hacks is to get the messages out to the general public ASAP. No matter what the academic and political elites may think or their Lamestream Media mouthpiece allies, the public at large won't stand for being lied to. Especially when they are being asked to change their own lives, and pay taxes to "make the world a better place". Change the political climate, and these global warmers will drift back to the fringe where they belong.

For my own part, Dr. Hulme seems to be soberly suggesting some effective damage control on his side of the argument, even if the rest of his piece makes me uneasy about his political and scientific philosophy. Dr. Curry is a true scientist, and she is the sort of person who ought to be fielding our skeptical questions, instead of those "oops we lost the data" quacks. The ones who are responding to criticism by manipulating data or trying to silence the opposition are doing more harm than good to their cause. Why do the "STFU" people always think stifling debate is going to lead to a win, instead of provoking a walkout or more strenuous opposition?

Posted by: exdem13 at November 29, 2009 07:07 AM (lYKj1)

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