February 27, 2006

Dubai Row Tilts National Security To Congressional Democrats
— Ace

It's worst than a crime. It's a mistake:

Rasmussen has a new poll up in which -- hold on now -- Democrats in Congress are outpolling President Bush on national security. By a margin of 43 to 41 percent, Americans say they trust Congressional Democrats more than Bush when it comes to protecting our national security. And by a margin of 64-17 percent, they oppose the sale of the ports to Dubai.

The deal is dead. It won't survive after a 45-day extension or a 450-day extension. Congressional Republicans have no choice but to be extremely aggressive and nasty toward the president and the White House...


Posted by: Ace at 09:29 AM | Comments (157)
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1 It's worst than a crime. It's a mistake:

yeah it could be wurst than a crime

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 09:38 AM (wZLWV)

2 It's worst than a crime. It's a mistake:

yeah it could be wurst than a crime too

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 09:38 AM (wZLWV)

3 I don't buy it. There's no way that, come election time, democrats will have more credibility than republicans on national security.

What's happening now is that Americans are finally beginning to get really fed up with islamism, and the democrats, with their finger to the wind, have found a way to play on these fears to their advantage. But looking at the bigger picture, this change in American thinking is more likely to benefit the republicans.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 09:47 AM (Sw8Cn)

4 It would only be wurst than a crime if this dealt with hot dogs.

Enough with the funny bizness.

The truth of the matter is that regardless of whether this deal is appropriate or not, the WH did not anticipate the level of introspection that was going to follow this deal. From a strategy perspective, if this deal is clean, they should have been able to silence critics with something more effective than a de facto "trust us." Instead, they glossed over a lot of details that seem to be important.

Maybe they should realize there's a war on, and they need to be a little more serious. Seriously.

Posted by: DDG at February 27, 2006 09:50 AM (4uzEh)

5 I hope the deal does die. I'd rather not support a country that lives and breathes islamic law. Kill the infidel, women are inferior etc...

Posted by: splashtc at February 27, 2006 09:54 AM (zlay8)

6 You guys really need to take a look at some of this stuff.

AN ORGANIZED DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN ON THE PORT DEAL
http://tks.nationalreview.com/archives/091037.asp

80 percent of the terminals in the Port of Los Angeles are run by foreign firms. ...... the National Shipping Company of Saudi Arabia, which is partially owned by the government of Saudi Arabia as well as Saudi individuals and establishments, operates berths in the ports of Baltimore, Newport News, Houston, New Orleans, Savannah, Wilmington, N.C., Port Newark, New Jersey, and Brooklyn, New York.

Are the Donks "out-Karling" the Repubs on this one?

These arguments about Foreigners in our ports are at least a "decade late".

A. Weasel

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 09:59 AM (12gN8)

7 Weasel,

That's exactly my point - the WH should have been forthcoming and dealt with the disinformation(?) for what it was early and often.

Look, I decided a week ago to nominally support this deal. But for a host of reasons that I've noted, that support was not whole-hearted. The big reason is that no reason that I heard for the deal was compelling - economically, politically, militarily.

Here's my thinking - I support the president, and I think that he makes great decisions, but on this, he could only offer platitudes in support of the deal. So I'm saying that he probably has great reasons to support the deal, but he can't/won't communicate them. But on this, "trust me" just won't cut it.

Posted by: DDG at February 27, 2006 10:09 AM (4uzEh)

8 This is a case of the WH not keeping an eye on the ball. But this has been the modus operendi of this WH anyway.
It seems like they haven't figured out that the media dials all of the Admin's gaffes straight to 11.
Thus they're always playing defense on dumb things. The only good news is that the Dems are playing offense on dumb things.

Posted by: Iblis at February 27, 2006 10:15 AM (9221z)

9 Eh, let them have this little "victory." Reasonable, intelligent people know the real deal and, while it may not give us the most warm and fuzzy feeling, it is business and the free market should be allowed to play out.

Give the donks enough rope on this one and they will go over the top and hang themselves. Anyone who has been paying any attention at all knows how much we can depend on them in matters of Nat. Sec. This will all swing back well before the election, thanks to the braintrust of Clinton/Durbin/Schumer/Kennedy/Dean/Kerry/Pelosi/Reid/etc.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 10:16 AM (AQGeh)

10 DDG, I agree completely, you are right on every point .This has been VERY badly handled by the WH. If GW had been forthcoming & concisely framed the discussion from the start it would never have been an issue.

I just wonder if Rove has secretly (you know how this admin. love secrets) been in a coma for 2 weeks.
A.Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 10:21 AM (12gN8)

11 Give the donks enough rope on this one and they will go over the top and hang themselves.

Problem is, there will be a fair number of Republicans hanging with them.

Sad
A. Weasel

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 10:26 AM (12gN8)

12 This was incompetence on the Bush Administration's part.

Whether the deal is okay or not, the idea that it didn't deserve a more careful analysis--or even the minimum 45-day review required by law--is absurd.

When people brought up objections and querried this, Bush & Co. called them Islamaphobic and racist.


That kind of name calling is p__sy-sh_t and people didn't appreciate it at all--especially those of us who have been very supportive of this WH on other matters.

The Ports deal also brought up the abysmal job that Bush has done on the matter of securing our borders. He has done absolutely nothing to control ilegal immigration or to provide even a modicum of increased security along our borders or at our ports.

If Bush wants to turn this thing around, he needs to pay more attention to our borders and ports and needs to quit the immature and intellecutally lazy practice of attacking anyone who ciriticizes a policy "racist", "Islamaphobic" or "sexist."

Posted by: Reddish Jode at February 27, 2006 10:32 AM (KeOQp)

13 there will be a fair number of Republicans hanging with them.

I like to think of it as thinning the herd. Hopefully, the ones that are proving themselves to be spineless idiots (both repubs and dumbocrats) will get removed. Not to say their replacements would be any better, but at least we have a better idea of who we can trust.

The bunch that raced to be the first to denounce this have staked out their positions as screeching opportunists. This will not play well for them down the road.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 10:37 AM (AQGeh)

14 It's quite stupid that journalists continue to refer to this deal as one to "sell" ports to a foreign entity. The ports are "owned" by the local governments, who act as landlords leasing out terminals to port managers.

Posted by: SWLiP at February 27, 2006 10:39 AM (WfQGW)

15 Booger-Boy,
When you say: "There's no way that, come election time, democrats will have more credibility than republicans on national security."

Are you taking these facts into account?

1. The Republicans were in power when we were attacked on 9/11.
2. The Republicans were in power when we initiated our ill-advised invasion of Iraq.
3. The Republicans were in power when implemented the poorly planned and executed aftermath of the invasion...along with the torture.
4. The Republicans were in power when let Osama get away in Afghanistan.
5. The Republicans were in power when Katrina hit.
6. The Republicans were in power when we initiated the illegal NSA wiretapping of Americans.
7. The Republicans were in power when Bush tried to sell off the ports.

When are these assholes and the dolt who's in charge going to do something right?

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 10:43 AM (leJWb)

16 Stupid or intentional? You gotta figure that if it was their guy in office, they would have framed this whole issue very differently. The shame is that GW and his team just don't seem to get that and figure out how to bypass the media filter and get directly to the people with the real story.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 10:44 AM (AQGeh)

17 The Chinese port deal just went through without any troubles. Given that most of the port terminals in the US are managed by foreign owned firms, why would anyone have anticipated any problems? The WH should have hit back hard though and immediately. They always wait too long to respond. The deal will go through; otherwise the US government will have to get into the business of port management. There's time for education and threats to the Dems if they continue to spout lies. The WH has just never understood how well the Dems can use the press to impart erroneous info to the masses. Shame on the Republican pols for falling for it though. They could have checked stuff out or called the WH before opening their pieholes. I, myself, was agin it before I was for it.

Posted by: Laddy at February 27, 2006 10:46 AM (4f6qM)

18 "Hey, let's let an Arab country run our ports where 90% of all goods come into the country. Yea, that's a good idea."

I'm pretty sure Karl wasn't consulted on this one.

It's D.O.A. All over but the face-saving now.

Posted by: rightnumberone at February 27, 2006 10:49 AM (bduOR)

19 It's quite stupid that journalists continue to refer to this deal as one to "sell" ports to a foreign entity.

There is a lot of really stupid and inaccurate shit flying around about this deal. That’s the big problem, there is more Bull Shit out there on this than reality. The Pres. needs to get out front on this NOW, and tell the American people exactly what this deal is and what it is not.
A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 10:50 AM (12gN8)

20 ..and don't forget:

The Republicans were in power when the Space Shuttle Columbia blew up

The Republicans were in power when the blackout hit the NE United States

The Republicans were in power when my cat died

The Republicans were in power when Brad and Jennifer split up

The Republicans were in power when Johnny Carson died

The Republicans were in power when the Muslims rioted in France

The Republicans were in power when my buddy got married

The Republicans were in power when he then got divorced.

My GOD! Can't anyone get their head's out of Bush's ass long enough to see that what is happening here.....to....our world is ...[gasp] all the fault of those evil Republicans??!?!??!!


Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 10:53 AM (AQGeh)

21 Another interesting opinion...and it's from one of your own:

It Didn't Work
By William F. Buckley
The National Review

Friday 24 February 2006

"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes - it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 10:54 AM (leJWb)

22 Muh ha ha ha hah hahhaaaa!

Posted by: The Republicans at February 27, 2006 10:54 AM (pzen5)

23 Wiserbud,
I miss Fluffy as well.
Hugs
A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 10:56 AM (12gN8)

24 Wiser-Than-A-Hammer:
You're right on all accounts. Just that many more reasons the Republicans are losing control in the next election.

Thanks, Dude.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:01 AM (leJWb)

25 Weasel
[sniff] thanks, dude. [sniff]
I needed that.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 11:04 AM (AQGeh)

26 Every time I read one of the posts by another of the Bush sycophants on this blog...it proves my overall point: No matter how badly Bush and his cadre of corrupt assholes screw America...you idiots stay on board, supporting anything and everything these people do.

That's why you'll see Democrats running the show as of 2006.

And look for Hillary to take over for little Georgie in 2008.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:05 AM (leJWb)

27 The true sign of a loser is when they just can't see anything good about anybody but themselves or of whom they personally approve.

Posted by: Mike on February 26, 2006 06:24 PM

Posted by: Brad at February 27, 2006 11:08 AM (uzxXX)

28 Barf:
Yes, I did say that, and it relates to my overall point: No matter what Bush does, you all think it's just fine.

I don't.

Nut, since you feel I've somehow slighted out great president, why not provide some of the really "good"
things Bush has done for our country.

Take your time.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:12 AM (leJWb)

29 It's ok Mike. Sometime the day just...looks at you funny.

Uh huh

Uh huh

Uh huh

Really?

Posted by: Brawney Guy at February 27, 2006 11:12 AM (NMGPj)

30 Anyone remember when the Clintons were in charge?

No one ever died.

There was no poverty, homelessness and no child ever went hungry.

Americans were loved by everyone around the world.

The French were brave allies who smelled wonderful.

The Muslims were the most peace-living and rational people anywhere!

Osama was building schools and roads

All natural disasters were outlawed, and thereby eliminated, simply by Presidential decree!

Money virtually flowed in the streets and everyone was assured of becoming rich beyond their wildest imaginations.

Fluffy was alive.

Good times.....good times......

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 11:15 AM (AQGeh)

31 Brawney...or is it Brownie?

Why not give that another shot...this time in English.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:18 AM (leJWb)

32 Yes, I did say that, and it relates to my overall point: No matter what Bush does, you all think it's just fine.

And this relates to my overall point:

No matter what we say, no matter what debates take place here or in the right in general, guys like Mike are not actually going to base their opinion of us on any of it, since his mind is already made up, facts be damned.

In a thread in which we all disagree (e.g. my opinion is pretty much the opposite of Ace's), Mike is complaining that we all march in lockstep together. Mike, do you see why that's funny to me?

Mike isn't debating with real people. He's debating with inventions in his own head. And there's nothing sadder than a person arguing with himself... and losing.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:19 AM (Sw8Cn)

33 Yes, I did say that, and it relates to my overall point: No matter what Bush does, you all think it's just fine.

Just for chuckles, Mike, why don't you ask (in as non-snarky a way as possible): on what subjects do people here disagree with Bush? But if that's going to ruin your vibe, you can keep at your non-productive sniping.

Posted by: geoff at February 27, 2006 11:20 AM (vpYuK)

34 Wiser-Than-A-Hammer:
Yeah, I do remember when Clinton was in charge.

Eight of the very best years in our nation's history.

Booming economy
22 million new jobs (good jobs by the way)
Lowered the poverty rate
Lowered the teen pregnancy rate
No illegal invasions
No ill-fated FEMA fiascos
America was held in high regard by our long-term allies
Americans were respected
16,742 Americans weren't wounded for life
2,286 Americans were still alive
19,028 soldier's family members weren't mourning their dead or tending to their wounded sons, daughter, fathers and mothers

You know...little things like that.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:25 AM (leJWb)

35 I've been back and forth on the port deal because, frankly, what the fuck do I know about ports?

I do believe Bush screwed up when he called his opponents racist. That brought back a bad taste from the Miers debacle when he called us sexist. I sometimes wonder if Bush actually knows which party he belongs to.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 11:27 AM (+ZPYO)

36 Mike, care to revisit that statement that we all always support everything Bush does?

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:29 AM (Sw8Cn)

37 Hey Mike, you know what cheers me up? Playing the guitar . . . and tiramisu. Would you like some tiramisu, Mike?

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 11:30 AM (+ZPYO)

38 adolfo:
Bush has a hard enough time remembering his name, much less what party he belongs to.

This man will be remembered as the dumbest president in our nation's history.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:31 AM (leJWb)

39 Mike, you have a little whipped cream on your . . . let me get that for you.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 11:33 AM (+ZPYO)

40 No, but if you'd like to send me a Marie Callendars pie, that would be super...and they're on sale this month, too.

Do you have enough money?

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:34 AM (leJWb)

41 Mike, are you going to address my post to you, or are you just having a monologue here?

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:34 AM (Sw8Cn)

42 Remember the good times when Dems were in control?

Dems were in power when slavery was legal.
Dems were in power when Jim Crow laws were legal.
Dems were in power when WWII started.
Dems were in power when Hitler took power. (The first time, of course. Not the Bushitler variety.)

Dems were in power when the atom bomb was used.
Dems were in power when Kennedy was assassinated.
Dems were in power when MLK, Jr. was assassinated.
Dems were in power when OJ killed Nicole. (allegedly, snigger, snigger)

Dems were in power when our embassy was stormed and our citizens held for 444 days.
Dems were in charge when SC Chief Justice Taney (Dred Scott) was appointed.

Golly, this is fun!

Posted by: Birkel at February 27, 2006 11:34 AM (vtWaO)

43 Hey, Weasel:

The President doesn't need to "get out in front of this" he needs to ABANDON it as a moronic idea as quickly as is humanly possible.

Think about this sentence, and imagine it in DEMOCRAT campaign commercials in about 6 months:

"Republicans are putting Islamic countries in charge of our own ports ... but spending billions searching your 72-year-old grandmother at the airport. Vote Democrat. We have a better way."

Posted by: rightnumberone at February 27, 2006 11:36 AM (bduOR)

44 Buckwheat:
When you say: "Dems were in power when the atom bomb was used."

Are you saying we shouldn't have ended World War II?

The rest of it is nothing but right wing silliness...the only thing any of you idiots can ever throw out.

I mean, come on...the Dems were in power...when O.J killed Nicole?? Have you forgotten Manson, Gacy, Lucas, Bundy...etc.?

Talk about thrashing around for anything to say.

Why not take a few days and try to come up with something GOOD...that Bush has done for us??

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:39 AM (leJWb)

45 rightnumberone:

Finally, someone hits the nail right on its pointy little head:

The entire affair boils down tho this: It was a "moronic idea"...brought to us by it's number on moron: G.W. Bush.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:42 AM (leJWb)

46 Hi, Mike. Still ignoring me? Care to comment on your previous assertion that none of us ever disagree with Bush or each other?

And where the hell is Larry the Urbanite, anyways? He may be a leftist, but at least he's capable of carrying on a conversation, and he's sometimes funny. Better than Mary here. Ace should be ashamed at the low quality of leftist trolls he normally attracts.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:42 AM (Sw8Cn)

47 Bush invaded Iraq, which was the best plan anyone yet has come up with to change the Middle East.

Rather than being obnoxious, Mike, why not give us your wonderful plan for defeating Islamic fascism (that doesn't require us to surrender)?

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 11:43 AM (+ZPYO)

48 Eight of the very best years in our nation's history.

Exactly!!!.....!!!!....I agree!!!!!.....That's what I have been saying!!!!!.....

No one ever got a hangover!
Dan Rather was trustworthy!
Cars were cooler!
Families in Waco, TX and around the world were free to practice their religion without fear of government intrusion.
Michael Moore was thin!
The sun shone brighter and warmer than ever before!
Flowers smelled prettier!
It never rained!
George Clooney was on ER!
Drinks on the beach were, like, way cool!

It was the best of times, man!

Posted by: wiserbud at February 27, 2006 11:43 AM (AQGeh)

49 Booger:
Sorry...you agree with or support 95% of what Bush does.

Feel better now?

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:43 AM (leJWb)

50 Thanks, Mike. I feel a lot better. In fact, I feel so good right now, I could break out in song!

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:48 AM (Sw8Cn)

51 Wiser-Than-A-Hammer:

You're right on all counts...except the Waco thing. I've never been in favor of pedophiles running religious cults...I don't think Moore was ever thin...oh, and today the beach is out...it's raining.

Oh, well...it could be worse...I could be a Republican.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:49 AM (leJWb)

52 Booger:
Try "Lucky Old Sun"...you'll feel even better.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 11:52 AM (leJWb)

53 Mike’s fantasy time line;

2006 - Dems. take both houses of congress.

2007 – After mysterious disease kills remaining Congressional Republicans, congress impeaches Bush for being stupid and not cute.

2008 – H. Clinton elected President of the United States (Republicans don’t have a candidate because of mysterious disease).

2009 – Clinton Admin. & Democratic Congress expose all intelligence gathering systems as useless garbage leftover from the evil Republican Empire & dismantle them.

2010 – The few remaining Conservatives are forced by Executive Order to watch Curling at the Winter Olympics in Vancouver B.C

2010 - L.A., New York, & Detroit are destroyed in nuclear terrorist attack. President Clinton declares Marshall Law, suspends Constitution, dissolves Congress, & declares that it is better to live under the jackboot of Islamic Law than risk offending our Palestinian friends.

A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 11:52 AM (12gN8)

54 That's too bad, Mike. If you were a Republican, you could actually celebrate your party winning an election.

Oh well, my condolences for your upcoming disappointment in '06.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 11:55 AM (+ZPYO)

55 Funny how you ignored the slavery and Jim Crow issues which I listed first for your viewing pleasure and went after my joke (OJ and Nicole).

I can tell Mike's a liberal 'cause he don't get the funny!

(And I'm glad you agree using the A-Bomb was a good idea.
I'll remind you when some Islamofascist attacks an American city with WMD with Iranian support.)

Posted by: birkel at February 27, 2006 11:56 AM (vtWaO)

56 I'm with Mike on the Waco thing. The ATF screwed up royally, but the crisis was caused by the Branch Davidian nutcases, and Clinton had little to do with any of it.

See Mike? You and I are getting along splendidly now. We have so much in common. We're almost like twins, separated at birth.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 11:58 AM (rGBYl)

57 Is this Marshall Law anything like the martial law we declared in Japan while implementing the Marshall Plan?

(apologies -- couldn't resist)

Posted by: Birkel at February 27, 2006 12:01 PM (vtWaO)

58 Is this Marshall Law anything like the martial law we declared in Japan while implementing the Marshall Plan?

Could be.
I'm into all things Marshall
A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 12:05 PM (12gN8)

59 Booger:
Here's a site where you can actually hear Lucky Old Sun...

http://www.ziplo.com/LuckySun.html

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:06 PM (leJWb)

60 We're going to take things away from you on the behalf of the common good.

Yes, even more than we're taking right now.

Yes, I've divorced Bill and changed my last name to "Common Good."

Posted by: Hillary! at February 27, 2006 12:07 PM (rE+jU)

61 birkel...

I didn't ignore the slavery thing, but if I remember correctly...slavery was around from about 1619 to 1789...so...there my have been more than one president running the show.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:08 PM (leJWb)

62 They didn't teach no spellin at Engineer trade school.
A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 12:09 PM (12gN8)

63 My work computer can't play it for some reason. I'll listen to it at home, though. Mike, I think this might be the beginning of a beautiful and special relationship. I'm working on a mix tape for you right now.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 12:11 PM (Sw8Cn)

64 Slavery ended in 1789? Somebody should have told me.

--"Thomas Jefferson's Collected Works", published in 1805, from a passage where he revealed his ongoing relations with Sally Hemmings, iirc.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at February 27, 2006 12:14 PM (vtWaO)

65 I'm reading the thread, and my brain goes into Tivo mode, wherein I skip the commercials ... er .... Mike .... and start the show again after they're done.

Posted by: DDG at February 27, 2006 12:15 PM (4uzEh)

66 Weasel:

How could things be any worse than they are now?

Unless of course, you enjoy being wiretapped, fighting illegal wars, dead American soldiers, wounded American soldiers, being revileded by our allies, gas at about $2.50 a gallon, oil at about $62 a barrel, home heating oil at record levels, healthcare costs out of sight, Exxon-Mobil pulling in record profits, the drug companies pulling in record profits, and the v.p. plugging people at bbq's.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:15 PM (leJWb)

67 Thankfully no Republican ever left Presidential office while slavery was legal, Mike.

Look. It. Up.

Posted by: Birkel at February 27, 2006 12:16 PM (vtWaO)

68 Looks like little Mikey heard the brown noise sound and crapped all in his pants... again!

Posted by: Madfish Willie at February 27, 2006 12:19 PM (D2pBz)

69 Birkel:
Hey, you're right...those Dems are all against civil liberties.

Now...let's take a guess at how many presidents will leave office while we're still mired in an illegal war.

Go ahead...take a wild guess.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:19 PM (leJWb)

70 How could things be any worse than they are now?

It could be raining.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 12:19 PM (rGBYl)

71 Mike isn't debating with real people. He's debating with inventions in his own head. And there's nothing sadder than a person arguing with himself... and losing.

hahahahaha... Mr PoopyPants got into a battle of wits unarmed!

Posted by: Madfish Willie at February 27, 2006 12:20 PM (D2pBz)

72 I didn't ignore the slavery thing, but if I remember correctly...slavery was around from about 1619 to 1789...so...there my have been more than one president running the show.

Man you really are an idiot.

Posted by: roc ingersol at February 27, 2006 12:22 PM (m2CN7)

73 So Mike...... do you and your friends have a solution/plan to resolve any of the above (without a 74.3% personal income tax rate)?

For that matter, do you and your friends have a solution/plan for anything?

Please avoid screaming “BUSH IS EVIL” as an answer.

A. Weasel

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 12:25 PM (12gN8)

74 Madfish Willie:
If you're going to join in...try writing something that's understandable. It doesn't have to be good...just write something that's in a language that's common to the group.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:26 PM (leJWb)

75 roc ingersol:
It was a typo dickwad.

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 12:28 PM (leJWb)

76 AW, 14 year olds don't really think about it all that much.

Not much on history either.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 27, 2006 12:28 PM (pzen5)

77 slavery was around from about 1619 to 1789...

Mike, please don't take this the wrong way, but you're a friggin moron.

You could have googled up the correct info. in two seconds, but instead you just post inexplicable crap.

Who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, Mary?
When was the Civil War?

Posted by: lauraw at February 27, 2006 12:29 PM (P9dgA)

78 I know! I know!

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at February 27, 2006 12:30 PM (pzen5)

79 What illegal war?

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 12:31 PM (+ZPYO)

80 Look at you assholes. I post a fucking typo and here we go...EVERYBODY jumps into the fray...

Talk about a bunch of weasels...do any of you people think for yourselves?

And by the way...since everybody here is so fucking smart...where are all of those GOOD things G.W. has done for America?

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:31 PM (leJWb)

81 ooo! ooo! pick me! *raises hand way high

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at February 27, 2006 12:32 PM (pzen5)

82 Mr PoopPants... try pulling your head out of your own ass long enough to google "brown noise" and you might understand the reference. As your comment to me demonstrates, you have heard the brown noise yet again!

Posted by: Madfish Willie at February 27, 2006 12:32 PM (D2pBz)

83 1789 was a typo for 1863?

Typical leftist dolt troll - shows his stupidity for all the world to see and then lies about it.

PS Mike - 'bbqs' is plural not possessive. Inserting an apostrophe between the q and the s was a small unforced error that even a dolt like you should have been able to avoid.

Posted by: max at February 27, 2006 12:34 PM (toGqN)

84 How could things be any worse than they are now?

It could be raining.

Uh, it's pouring and they are predicting flash floods and possibly mudslides. Thanks, alot.

Posted by: shawn at February 27, 2006 12:34 PM (B8ta7)

85 Wow, that's quite the typo, only one number was correct!
You typing with your elbows again?

Posted by: lauraw at February 27, 2006 12:34 PM (P9dgA)

86 I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch.

Posted by: Ron Burghundy at February 27, 2006 12:35 PM (+ZPYO)

87 me! me! me! me!

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at February 27, 2006 12:35 PM (pzen5)

88 Mike,
I think you have a bit of poo stuck to the history section of you brain, I'll get it for you....... let me find a stick.

A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 12:36 PM (12gN8)

89 Oh, she's so stupid its unbelievable.
Not. Worth. It.

Posted by: lauraw at February 27, 2006 12:37 PM (P9dgA)

90 I post a fucking typo and here we go

I'm getting a little tired of you blaming typos each time you totally F*** a fact up the azz.

You're an idiot. We all know it. Stop blaming your idiocy on your fingers, so doubtlessly slippery from being stuck up your nose half the time.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 12:39 PM (qF8q3)

91 lauuuurrrraaawww,
You're so cute.

And, yes, I do type with my elbows.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:39 PM (leJWb)

92 ahem. It was Oliver Cromwell in 1647.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at February 27, 2006 12:40 PM (pzen5)

93 bbbbbbeck,
bbbbblow me...no, bbbbblow all of us.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:40 PM (leJWb)

94 that was a typo, I meant it was me in 1863

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at February 27, 2006 12:41 PM (pzen5)

95 It's about to start throwing cats

Posted by: scott at February 27, 2006 12:41 PM (Ffvoi)

96 Come on, assholes...keep it coming.

But, whatever you do...don't list anything GOOD Bush has done for America.

That would take some time.

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:41 PM (leJWb)

97 Bush won two elections and kept Dems out of power. That was a good thing.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 12:44 PM (+ZPYO)

98 Why are you all feeding troll? You know that only makes it come back.

Posted by: Gutless Poster at February 27, 2006 12:45 PM (69Itc)

99 bbbbbbeck,
bbbbblow me...no, bbbbblow all of us.


I don't blow girls, Mary.

But, whatever you do...don't list anything GOOD Bush has done for America.

Oh look, another typo.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 12:46 PM (qF8q3)

100 Why are you all feeding troll? You know that only makes it come back.

Because we WANT this troll to come back. If it didn't, we might get one that actually presented a challenge!

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 12:48 PM (qF8q3)

101 Sorry, girls...it stopped raining so I'm off to the beach...but don't let that stop you, keep the silly comments coming...I don't want to break your train of thought...and I use the term; "thought" loosely.

P.S. Someday, if the global warming (you don't think is happening) continues...there might be a beach near your trailer parks, too. Keep what fingers you still have... crossed...we can all dream.

dolts, одно и все






Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 12:48 PM (leJWb)

102 It's about to start throwing cats

Oh my God. F'n ROLLING!

Mary, Mary quite contrary
Trim that p*ssy it's so damned hairy!

Posted by: The Warden at February 27, 2006 12:49 PM (NdHMh)

103 That's right, Mary, tuck tail and F*** off.

And watch for Greenpeace at the beach lest they try to roll you back into the water.

Or was that another typo, too? Perhaps instead of "beach" you meant to type "Teddy Kennedy's sphincter."

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 12:52 PM (qF8q3)

104 Because we WANT this troll to come back

Hey, she could come in handy some day, like if you only have one lifeline left and Regis asks "How many cats can you get into a shopping cart?"

Posted by: scott at February 27, 2006 12:53 PM (Ffvoi)

105 Mike, you're a tool.

(See, Mike, that's called playing to your audience. Seriously, if you want to come on here and just insult everyone, have at it. But, I'm here ai an to attempt to provoke thought. Here goes.)

I agree with the general consensus here. The whole brouhaha over the ports deal is probably just being drummed up by the Dems to make Bush look bad. I have some reservations about the conditions we've imposed ( I don't think they are strict enough), but, on the whole, it couldn't be any worse that the already lax job we are doing generally regarding port security and management.

That being said, I'd like to point this out: In the lead up to the Iraq war, 45% of Americans had somehow gotten the impression that some or all of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The actual number of Iraqi hijackers: zero. Bush did little or nothing to dispell this misconception, because it help his support numbers.

I beleive the Democrats (and craven Republicans up for election in '06) will play the exact same cynical game here. Whether the ports deal is a security risk or not, they will play on people's fears and it may very likely be killed on invalid assumptions, all for political gain.

1st point being, we have met the enemy and he is us. We, conservatives and progressives alike, should be pushing our Pres and our congresscritters for more transparency, less partisanship and more accountability, including prison terms for negligence, malfeasance, lying to Congress, etc, etc.

2nd point is, Bush really, really needs to learn, it's not he decisions he's making, it's the secrecy, stupid. (Well, that and the attitude of le etat, c'est moi.) But he's got no one to blame but his own administration, now, does he?

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 12:55 PM (Lpswv)

106 You seemed like such a nice girl in the 90s, mike. Whatever could have turned you into such drooling hosebag?

Remember, Osama likes his girls a tad more submissive prior to stoning her.

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 12:56 PM (hjmYH)

107 Damn, bbeck. I'm glad I'm on your side.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 27, 2006 12:56 PM (+ZPYO)

108 Go, Larry! Go, Larry! It's your birthday! etc.

Posted by: Gutless Poster at February 27, 2006 12:57 PM (69Itc)

109 oops. L'etat, c'est moi, I meant. Srry, I took Spanish in high school.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 12:58 PM (Lpswv)

110 Adolfo, so am I.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 12:59 PM (qF8q3)

111 "Unless of course, you enjoy being wiretapped, fighting illegal wars, dead American soldiers, wounded American soldiers, being revileded by our allies, gas at about $2.50 a gallon, oil at about $62 a barrel, home heating oil at record levels, healthcare costs out of sight, Exxon-Mobil pulling in record profits, the drug companies pulling in record profits, and the v.p. plugging people at bbq's."

1. I don't speak with Al Qaeda operatives, so no one is tapping my wires.
2. Congress authorized the President to use force to enforce UN Resolution 1441--how is that "illegal"?
3. American soldiers (sailors, etc) were killed and wounded in the attacks on the USS Cole, in Samalia, in Saudi Aradi, in Kosovo, etc. I honor those who died defending our country; I don't celebrate their deaths. Many die in training accidents even in times of no conflict.
4. Envy makes many revile us. We can never earn their friendship as they don't know gratitude; we can only earn their contempt which I am not willing to do.
5. If we opened ANWAR to development, our energy costs would drop.
6. Healthcare costs are not the responsibility of the government, or at least they shouldn't be. Show me where in the Contitution we have the right to health care. I don't disagree that insurance and tort reform are needed.
7. In a capitaliist society, companies are entitled to the profits they earn, even if they deal in drugs and oil.
8. Our vice-president accidentally shot a friend during a quail hunt, where shooting is the expected and appropriate activity. He accepted the responsibility, admitted blame, apologized, and made sure the appropriate medical treatment was received. That's how gentleman (and ladies) behave.

So yes, I enjoy living in America, now and forever.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at February 27, 2006 01:00 PM (GkK0P)

112 Srry, I took Spanish in high school.

And when do you plan to take English?

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 01:00 PM (qF8q3)

113 We, conservatives and progressives alike, should be pushing our Pres

You misspelled "liberals" there, Larry. You're welcome.

Posted by: gutless poster at February 27, 2006 01:02 PM (69Itc)

114 Mikey's empty warnings have a familiar ring to them, don't they?

Let's see:
The dems will retake congress due to outrage over impeachment.

Gore will win in a landslide.

Jeb will be tossed out in retaliation for Florida 2000.

Kerry will beat Bush for lying about WMDs.

Plamegate, Fitzmas, Jeff Gannon, the Downing Street Memos, etc. will result in the end of Bushco.

Roberts/Scalito will be filibustered.

The thing I truly hate missing is when they combust after their usual defeats. I hope Mikey will share his upcoming defeat with us.

Posted by: Log Cabin at February 27, 2006 01:04 PM (Vsh3q)

115 Dayum, Lar, that's one fine comment you got there. Imagine that, the whole country pushing together against an implacable, uber-violent enemy who doesn't give a shit about global warming, gay rights, women's rights, abortion, SCOTUS, POTUS, VPOTUS (well, I hear he is a little scared of Cheney), Clinton(s), liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, state's rights, Big Oil, Big Tobacco, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 01:06 PM (hjmYH)

116 Damn bbeck, I was generally agreeing witht he consensus here. And, while I may have implied Bush is a cynical, opportunistic bastard, I also implied the democratic congress critters are cynical, opportunistic bastards. Lighten up.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 01:10 PM (Lpswv)

117 You misspelled "liberals" there, Larry. You're welcome.

I don't know. The term "progressive" grates on me a little, too. But on the other hand, it opens up the possibility of returning the word "liberal" back to its real literal meaning. I prefer the term "leftist" or "left-winger" to "progressive", though, since they're factually accurate don't have any built-in connotation one way or the other.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 01:10 PM (Sw8Cn)

118 The french use the term "liberal" more correctly, by the way. In french, liberalism generally means right-wing laissez-faire free-market capitalism.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 01:14 PM (Sw8Cn)

119 Damn bbeck, I was generally agreeing witht he consensus here.

And just who exactly cares? Such an agreement is the intellectual equivalent of a pig finding a truffle.

And, while I may have implied Bush is a cynical, opportunistic bastard, I also implied the democratic congress critters are cynical, opportunistic bastards.

Still not caring.

Lighten up.

Why?

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 01:14 PM (qF8q3)

120 Kelly, you so funny. It's a two way street, inn't? Give me a little transparency into the decision making process (I heard a rumor it was required by law, in this particular case) and I'll give you some support and latitude on real national security issues.

Those who will give up freedom for security blah, blah blah.

Posted by: at February 27, 2006 01:15 PM (Lpswv)

121 see, it's the backhand she's so good with. I mean, anybody can serve, but back, with all that power and backspin.

bbeck, I love you.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 27, 2006 01:16 PM (pzen5)

122 6:15 was me

Sounds like bbeck needs a hug.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 01:18 PM (Lpswv)

123 And just who exactly cares? Such an agreement is the intellectual equivalent of a pig finding a truffle.

A truffle, you say? Mmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 01:19 PM (Sw8Cn)

124 Those who will(sic) give up freedom for security...
Are destined to hear clever sounding old expressions that are meaningless without context.


--"Compiled Works of Thomas Jefferson" by Luftquist and Townsend, 1978

Posted by: Birkel at February 27, 2006 01:19 PM (vtWaO)

125 "Context is relative."

-Thomas Jefferson, Ceremony of Slavery Abolishment 1787

Posted by: The Warden at February 27, 2006 01:23 PM (NdHMh)

126 bbeck, I love you.

Right back atcha, Dave.

Sounds like bbeck needs a hug.


Two things: first, it should be "sounds AS IF..." and second, thanks, but Dave's love is plenty. OTOH...

Those who will give up freedom for security blah, blah blah.

It sounds as if Larry needs to look up the quote so he gets it right and uses it in proper context.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 01:26 PM (qF8q3)

127 Oh look, Tom and I think alike.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 01:27 PM (qF8q3)

128 Wow… Mike really pissed bbeck off.
Wide berth warning!
Wide berth warning!

A. Weasel

Posted by: A. Weasel at February 27, 2006 01:28 PM (12gN8)

129 Come on, guys, I'm a sweetheart.

Aheh.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 01:32 PM (qF8q3)

130 Yep, me so funny, lar.

If transparency was all "progressives" wanted, I'd be cool with that. I just don't see how that would be enough to satisfy your fellow BDS-infected pals.

Fact is, if I weren't convinced that the entire West is in mortal peril from murderous, maniacal, lunatics with an apocholyptical fixation like the jihadis, I'd very much like to return to our vacation from reality otherwise known as the Clinton years.

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 01:33 PM (AISkQ)

131 Make that apocalyptical

thanks

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 01:35 PM (AISkQ)

132 I didn't even finish the quote, and substituted blah blah blah att he end. It was a joke! Wow, and someone accused me of being a humorless pedant. I relinquish the crown to y'all.

Kelly, I'd like have your moral certainty. But I'm old enough to remember Nicaragua, and St. Ronnie's take on that. Fighting communism was important, but it didn't excuse the abuses that took place there, (or, for that matter, the propping up of brutal dictators the world over).

I veiw this as another obstacle to overcome, and we will. But not by putting blinders on and going over the top when the whistle blows. I'll not destroy what I'm striving to protect.

Take a breath and tap those fears down abit. I suggest "A Bright and Shining Lie" a biography of a commited soldier's work in Viet Nam for some historical context. Pulitzer Prize winner, so it's not just some lefty scree. It'll give you a feel for the fighting communism days and what some of the big picture concerns were. Also, a great commentary on the perils of losing the war for "the hearts and minds", from a soldiers perspective.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 01:52 PM (Lpswv)

133 I didn't even finish the quote, and substituted blah blah blah att he end. It was a joke!

Oops, guess some of us don't recognize a partial quote that has no relation to the topic as a "joke."

Wow, and someone accused me of being a humorless pedant.

Well, when you tell jokes that aren't funny you kinda have to expect that.

I relinquish the crown to y'all.

Keep it, it goes with that Sophistry Practitioner handbag.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 02:00 PM (qF8q3)

134 I amend my comment to "I think bbeck missed a few hugs growing up".

BTW: Waste of a fisking. If I didn't have an alligator skin, I wouldn't be here would I?

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 02:09 PM (Lpswv)

135 "Waste of a fisking. If I didn't have an alligator skin, I wouldn't be here would I?"

If that's true Larry, you'd better leave. We like our fags purty. Its the only way we can stand 'em.

Posted by: Iblis at February 27, 2006 02:16 PM (9221z)

136 I amend my comment to "I think bbeck missed a few hugs growing up".

FYI, it's not normal for kids to endure the naked "hugs" you obviously got from your parents when you were growing up. But it does explain a lot.

BTW: Waste of a fisking. If I didn't have an alligator skin, I wouldn't be here would I?

Relax the ego, dillhole. I'm not posting for your benefit.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 02:17 PM (qF8q3)

137 Thanks for the advice, lar, unsolicited and all.

I reckon I'm even older than you, so spare me the patronizing tone. Thanks.

FTR, "St Ronnie" was at least as vilified and hated by all the right people as W is presently. It's the same type of "intellectual" who was wrong 20 years ago but appears to not have remembered a damn thing and, worse, thinks no one else has, either.

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 02:30 PM (Bd0+F)

138 A Bright and Shining Lie

I read it. It wasn't total crap. But you have to remember, Vann was frustrated with the way the war was being conducted. We didn't have the will to finish it, and we were being carved up back home by defeatists and Commie sympathizers. One of them being Neil Sheehan

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 27, 2006 02:56 PM (FrkSZ)

139 Like you, Larry, I think Reagan made his fair share of mistakes. However, the liberals at that time were not a credible alternative.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 03:25 PM (Sw8Cn)

140 Just thought I'd stop in for more good news:

(CBS) The latest CBS News poll finds President Bush's approval rating has fallen to an all-time low of 34 percent, while pessimism about the Iraq war has risen to a new high.

Americans are also overwhelmingly opposed to the Bush-backed deal giving a Dubai-owned company operational control over six major U.S. ports. Seven in 10 Americans, including 58 percent of Republicans, say they're opposed to the agreement.

CBS News senior White House correspondent Jim Axelrod reports that now it turns out the Coast Guard had concerns about the ports deal, a disclosure that is no doubt troubling to a president who assured Americans there was no security risk from the deal.

The troubling results for the Bush administration come amid reminders about the devastating impact of Hurricane Katrina and negative assessments of how the government and the president have handled it for six months.

In a separate poll, two out of three Americans said they do not think President Bush has responded adequately to the needs of Katrina victims. Only 32 percent approve of the way President Bush is responding to those needs, a drop of 12 points from last September’s poll, taken just two weeks after the storm made landfall.


Full Poll: Bush, The Ports And Iraq (.pdf)


Full Poll: Katrina Six Months Later (.pdf)

Mr. Bush's overall job rating has fallen to 34 percent, down from 42 percent last month. Fifty-nine percent disapprove of the job the president is doing.

For the first time in this poll, most Americans say the president does not care much about people like themselves. Fifty-one percent now think he doesn't care, compared to 47 percent last fall.

Just 30 percent approve of how Mr. Bush is handling the Iraq war, another all-time low.

By two to one, the poll finds Americans think U.S. efforts to bring stability to Iraq are going badly – the worst assessment yet of progress in Iraq.

Even on fighting terrorism, which has long been a strong suit for Mr. Bush, his ratings dropped lower than ever. Half of Americans say they disapprove of how he's handling the war on terror, while 43 percent approve.

In a bright spot for the administration, most Americans appeared to have heard enough about Vice President Dick Cheney's hunting accident.

More then three in four said it was understandable that the accident had occurred and two-thirds said the media had spent too much time covering the story.

Still, the incident appears to have made the public's already negative view of Cheney a more so. Just 18 percent said they had a favorable view of the vice president, down from 23 percent in January.

Americans were evenly split on whether or not Cheney's explanation of why there was a delay in reporting the accident was satisfactory.

Anything to say...or are you still locked onto this asshole's dick?

Posted by: Mike at February 27, 2006 04:25 PM (leJWb)

141 Anything to say

I'd say that this devestating news is already on the front page of Ace's site, so you really didn't need to post it here.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 04:32 PM (rGBYl)

142 What a dimwit - couldn't you have at least posted this in the thread on the CBS poll thread? Oh I forgot - you'll post it on every thread. And you won't post excerpts with a link - you'll post the entire freaking thing. What an asshole.

Posted by: geoff at February 27, 2006 04:34 PM (vpYuK)

143 Anything to say...or are you still locked onto this asshole's dick?

Ok, I'll play ball , Mikey. Let's indulge your wack-off fantasy that most Bush voters now hate his guts:

1. He's not running again.

2. (This is the hurtle that you and your ilk keep tripping over) It still doesn't mean the Democrats can be trusted with control of this country.

Suck on that. Hard.

Posted by: Log Cabin at February 27, 2006 04:39 PM (Vsh3q)

144 Suck on that.

You're barking up the wrong tree, Logs. We're pretty sure that "Mike" is a gal.

Posted by: Bart at February 27, 2006 04:58 PM (9Si4/)

145 Mike the Ace o'Spades gollum-in-residence,

It is urgent that you contact Timmy in the Well.

Timmy will be able to help you with your homo-erotic fixation on President Bush. Just because President Bush doesn't love you doesn't mean you are a loser for life. There is hope if you seek treatment now, before Jeb is elected in 08.

Posted by: Troll Help Desk at February 27, 2006 05:01 PM (INrY9)

146 Jeez, Mike shows up and I'm the ugly friend at the frat party all of a sudden.

Well, I'll be going so y'all can get on with your gang rape.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 05:43 PM (i2W3Q)

147 Jeez, Mike shows up and I'm the ugly friend at the frat party all of a sudden.

Oh, that's not true, you've ALWAYS been the ugly friend at the frat party.

Well, I'll be going so y'all can get on with your gang rape.

Charming till the end.

Posted by: bbeck at February 27, 2006 05:50 PM (qF8q3)

148 Well, I'll be going so y'all can get on with your gang rape.

Posted by Larry the urbanite at February 27, 2006 10:43 PM

Actually, the only one who fucks Mike is himself - just read his comments - he does a better job on himself than any of us could ever do.

PS Larry, Bonus points if you can find even one comment that Mike has made that contains a constructive thought in it.

Posted by: max at February 27, 2006 05:53 PM (INrY9)

149 --Did somebody say 'rape?'

Posted by: W.J. Clinton at February 27, 2006 05:54 PM (y6n8O)

150 Larry the urbanite,

Without doing any kind of search, my guess and recollection is that you deserve credit for posting comments that are thoughtful and civil - qualities which seem to elude Mike.

Posted by: jerkoff at February 27, 2006 06:15 PM (lbmO+)

151 Well, I'll be going so y'all can get on with your gang rape.

Gang rape? Mais non! It's merely a circle jerk.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2006 06:29 PM (NA4RK)

152 Larry the Urbanite,

That being said, I'd like to point this out: In the lead up to the Iraq war, 45% of Americans had somehow gotten the impression that some or all of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The actual number of Iraqi hijackers: zero. Bush did little or nothing to dispell this misconception, because it help his support numbers.

This is a silly point. Bush didn't do anything to create this impression either, so people's misconceptions originate from some other source, or are a feature of mass psychology. Probably a large percentage of people would say that Katie Holmes was in War of the Worlds if you polled them, because they know there was something on TV about Tom Cruise and Katie and War of the Worlds all at the same time. That doesn't mean that Tom Cruise deliberately created that impression. People see through a glass darkly even when presented with the best of information. If you are going to insist that the president deliberately created this impression, the burden is upon you to prove the point. Please supply a link to any official statement by any member of the executive branch that says that Iraqis were amongst the attackers on 9/11. If you cannot supply such evidence, then your argument is specious. How could Bush create a misleading impression without having said anything of the sort? If you insist this is what happened, please be aware that you are attributing magical powers to a man in any other context you would call an idiot. He is able to "create an impression" without ever, ever saying anything of the sort. Michael Moore's effort to make this point were a stupid editing trick, the video equivalent of Maureen Dowd's use of ellipsis to make someone's statment into the opposite of what he actually said. I think you are trying to create the impression that Bush created this impression, where in fact there is no link between Bush and people's impression.

Oh, by the way. The 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center was an Iraqi intelligence operation. It was revenge for the 1991 Gulf War. Funny, people like you never bring that up. You're not even curious about who Ramzi Yousef and Abdul Rahmin Yasin are. I guess, since the 1993 bombing was unsuccessful to some extent, Iraqi involement is no big deal. Hey, guys! You can try to kill 100,000 of us, but it'll be no hard feelings if you succeed only in killing 6!

1st point being, we have met the enemy and he is us.

This glib thought is the crux of why the Democrats cannot be allowed back into power. Liberals & Democrats always think the enemy is us. Guess what Larry. On 9/11 we met the enemy, and for once it wasn't us. We are no angels, to be sure, but for once the enemy wasn't us. There are people who have promised to kill us, and they are making plans 24 hours a day to make good on that promise, and there is nothing we can do to appease them, because any fulfilled demand with be followed by only some more outrageous demand. We were attacked by a bunch of fascists who were upset with us primarily because we are not sufficiently Muslim and our well-earned power and influence have been putting a harsh on their efforts to restore a medieval Caliphate. The enemy is not us. The enemy is them. And apart from Whitey, Christians, and Republicans, liberals are apparently incapable of entertaining the thought that there might some other them who is in fact an enemy and who has no good reason for his enmity. Their brains refuse to process that input even when they are watching a video of Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg getting his head sawed off.

You are a much better interlocutor than Mike, I will say in your favor. Although that might be faint praise.

Posted by: caspera at February 27, 2006 06:54 PM (jylGY)

153 Hey, mike's back and lar's feelin' low. Maybe you two could have a slumber party with a quart of Haagen Daaz and curl each other's hair 'n stuff.

Beats hangin' around those stoopid Bush-lovin(TM) cons, sister.

Posted by: kelly at February 27, 2006 06:59 PM (Bd0+F)

154 You must bring us a shrubbery! And a herring.

Posted by: Al Qaeda at February 27, 2006 08:59 PM (lbmO+)

155 I do type with my elbows.

You're funny, but you're no Charles Grodin.

Posted by: lauraw at February 28, 2006 06:52 AM (QMMge)

156 You're funny, but you're no Charles Grodin.

OMFG!


bwaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa!!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2006 07:01 AM (pzen5)

157 Here are some things you'll all find funny...and don't forget: MIKE'S been telling you this guy was an idiot for quite some time, and it appears the public is finally catching up. Isn't it time you dolts yank your heads out of Bush's ass, too?

1.President Bush's approval rating has fallen to an all-time low of 34 percent.

2.Pessimism about the Iraq war has risen to a new high.

3.Americans are also overwhelmingly opposed to the Bush-backed deal giving a Dubai-owned company operational control over six major U.S. ports.

4.The Coast Guard had concerns about the ports deal, a disclosure that is no doubt troubling to a president who assured Americans there was no security risk from the deal.

5.In a separate poll, two out of three Americans said they do not think President Bush has responded adequately to the needs of Katrina victims.

6.Mr. Bush's overall job rating has fallen to 34 percent, down from 42 percent last month.

7.Fifty-nine percent disapprove of the job the president is doing.

8.Most Americans say the president does not care much about people like themselves. Fifty-one percent now think he doesn't care, compared to 47 percent last fall.

9.Just 30 percent approve of how Mr. Bush is handling the Iraq war, another all-time low.

10.By two to one, the poll finds Americans think U.S. efforts to bring stability to Iraq are going badly – the worst assessment yet of progress in Iraq.

11.Half of Americans say they disapprove of how he's handling the war on terror, while 43 percent approve.

Posted by: Mike at February 28, 2006 07:02 AM (leJWb)

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