June 30, 2014

Don't hate the party, become the party
— CAC

It's been almost a week since the runoff race was held in Mississippi. Some are calling for sabotaging the general, others are trying to gather energy and resources for the next major "battle", while still others are staggering about, naked and high on shrooms, wondering what happened. Here are a few thoughts.

Lets say a political party proclaims it is firmly against X, Y, and Z. Sometimes they may be a bit squishy, but since their opposition is firmly in favor of X, Y, Z, supporters of said party continue to vote for them. There are highs and lows in this, resentments and triumphs, but, for a little while, all seems well.

Now, as time goes on, and as political parties are prone to do, the demographics and interests of said party begin to change, there will still be pressure on base supporters to vote for their party's candidates, even if they start to get waffly on X, Y, or Z. Perhaps the powers that be run their party into electoral quicksand, passing the power baton to their opposition in the process.

The party may grow so bad and listless that an "insurgency" forms within, one which runs it's own candidates, candidates who are quite firm in their opposition of X, Y, and Z. It's rusty, new, untested. Some "leaders" turn out to be charlatans, some "experts" hacks, and some with promise wind up as duds.

But as a whole, the primaries become closer. The screams become louder. The situation grows so precarious for some incumbents in said party that they must resort to begging members in the opposing party to support them and openly rescinding their opposition to X, Y, and Z in the process.

The question, post-battle, becomes what to do about these guys, and how to handle a setback. Does the insurgency give up and walk away? Or do they double-down with the next race? Do they study and learn what worked and what didn't, and learn to use the tools within the party against those whom they feel are betraying it? David Brat certainly provided a way forward for challengers: his data team ran circles around the House Majority Leader at a fraction of his opponent's budget.

Insurgencies are a good thing for political parties. In fact, they're a necessity for their long-term survival. Demographics change. Challenges change. Interests change. Interest groups change. And the intricate coalitions of voters change as well. We haven't seen a major shift in party allegiance in decades, but it very well could be underway.

A meaningful change in the direction of a political party depends on the willpower of those determined to push it. If losses leave them spinning and spitting in a rage, it will make for great headlines and fundraising-by-tweets, but it will do a very poor job of dictating the terms of change. Matches and gasoline make for a great visual, but a terrible long-term solution for successfully altering a party.

The way forward for conservatives angry enough to overthrow the establishment figures they feel have wronged them, their party, and their country is difficult to carry out, but quite simple to explain: push on. Lose a race? Go to the next one. And the next one. And the next. And the next. A relentless pursuit, a long march through the party's infrastructure and elections, until "the powers that be" become the powers that were. Until the new boss is most definitely not the same as the old boss. It will require quite a lot of will, and the ending is impossible to see as the political drama plays out. You never know whose head you'll get to mount on a stick, that's the uncertainty.

Here's what is certain: you won't mount any if you walk away.


(Oh, and apologies to Jello Biafra for bastardizing his quote, but the spirit is the same.)

Posted by: CAC at 03:41 PM | Comments (442)
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1 I've been saying this for two years. Thanks Brandon.

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at June 30, 2014 03:39 PM (aTghT)

2 I'll cry if I want to.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 30, 2014 03:40 PM (xWXYN)

3 TRUMAN! Missed ya brother. Is Brandon CAC? Has he dropped the veil?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 03:40 PM (jucos)

4 Who's this guy?

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 30, 2014 03:41 PM (5UteM)

5 Israel is bombing up the place pretty good!

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 03:41 PM (MNq6o)

6 6 Israel is bombing up the place pretty good! Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 08:41 PM (MNq6o) Jews... Is there anything they cant do?

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 03:42 PM (doBIb)

7 Ok, tell you what. You go ahead and do what ever you want, and I'll do the same, ok? Do we have a deal?

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 03:42 PM (AOZw3)

8 Nice strategy.  I'm 60 years old.  So you're saying I can expect to see progress when I'm 89?

No thanks.  Time to embrace the AoSHQ motto at the top of every page.

Posted by: Kate58 at June 30, 2014 03:43 PM (oLZsm)

9 To forgive is divine.

Posted by: Arlen Specter at June 30, 2014 03:43 PM (F9cs4)

10 "Don't hate the party, become the party" It won't happen while the upper echelons of the party go behind our backs and pull in primary voters from elsewhere. Check out Drudge. Drudge has a link with the Democrats in the state saying they "own" Cochran. And the head of Mississippi College Republicans knows it... so he's joined the party that matters: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/ leader-of-mississippi-college-republicans-resigns-to-join-democrats/ Here's a counter offer: don't vote for Senate Republicans as long as Mitch McConnell, Cochran supporter, remains Majority Leader. Burn them. Burn them ALL.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 03:43 PM (3kZUM)

11 Jews...


Is there anything they cant do?

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 08:42 PM (doBIb)

 

Eat a pork and shrimp combo platter.

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2014 03:43 PM (zt+N6)

12 I quit.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 30, 2014 03:45 PM (l0lja)

13 Only the GOPe can fuck up an election in MISSISSIPPI for Christ sake! Mississippi! What's next? How about fucking up the local races in South Georgia of Alabama.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 03:46 PM (jucos)

14 The way forward for conservatives angry enough to overthrow the establishment figures they feel have wronged them, their party, and their country is difficult to carry out, but quite simple to explain: push on. Lose a race? Go to the next one. And the next one. And the next. And the next. A relentless pursuit, a long march through the party's infrastructure and elections, until "the powers that be" become the powers that were. Until the new boss is most definitely not the same as the old boss. It will require quite a lot of will, and the ending is impossible to see as the political drama plays out. You never know whose head you'll get to mount on a stick, that's the uncertainty. Here's what is certain: you won't mount any if you walk away. Yeah. Here's the thing. There's a presumption there that there is sufficient time remaining for a long march. That is a position which bears negligible resemblance to reality. I've been hearing since Bush 42 that oh just work within the party and take back local committees and work to get the Most Electable Conservative elected and stay in the system and give it time. I tell people about the lube and I tell them. . . . War was declared by the moderate wing of the Republican party on me. I do not take too kindly to being told I am in the wrong when I slit a throat back.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 03:46 PM (dMSj2)

15 But I told da joos to show restrain.

Posted by: Barry at June 30, 2014 03:47 PM (G8ga7)

16 Simple rule: vote against the incumbent.  It almost never fails.

I might make an exception and vote for Cruz in 2018 if he continues to perform.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at June 30, 2014 03:48 PM (ukadG)

17 But I told da joos to show restrain. Posted by: Barry

They aren't using nukes,  yet,  so shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 03:48 PM (MNq6o)

18 Yep.  Can't win if you don't play

Posted by: MAx at June 30, 2014 03:49 PM (b7yum)

19 Jews... Is there anything they cant do? Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 08:42 PM (doBIb) Make a kick ass BLT? Party with CBD?

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 03:49 PM (dMSj2)

20 Term limits!

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 03:49 PM (MNq6o)

21 Yes, but...

Right around the time of TARP, the GOPe went badly astray (one could argue that it happened with the senior drug sop to the pharmas).  We need a party that stakes out a position that is pro-economic growth, but not pro-crony.  That means banks, pharmas, corn, and yes...defense, etc.,...go screw yourself if you are simply generating paper profit with no real production attached or you are engaged in crude rent-seeking.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 03:49 PM (ltdV/)

22 This is the under-30 thread, I take it.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 03:49 PM (g/zj9)

23 Yep. Can't win if you don't play Posted by: MAx at June 30, 2014 08:49 PM (b7yum) ********** They say the same thing about the lottery. IYKWIM

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 03:50 PM (jucos)

24

Executive Summary

Why don't you stop hitting yourself?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 03:50 PM (kdS6q)

25 This is the kind of actual manure/crap/fecal material that drives people to vote for the Libertarian ticket I gauran-dam-tee you that you thousands of RNC mailers will go to waste and get returned with Rand Paul or Ron Paul pictures on them when then Rep party bosses go begging for money And yes, were I there, I would toss the seat away with my vote, eff the hell outta Haley Barbour, in fact I want the actual names of the people involved to me and my nickel roll socks can go hunting The whole damn thing makes my blood boil that much and I live in Ohio ! So, to re-iterate, fuck you Washington Establishment Party Republicans, neither me or my wife will ever give you any money ever. Fuck fuck fuckety fuck Let it roll let it just go Dem, and fuck em all and yes, That's how I really feel

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at June 30, 2014 03:51 PM (Zz48T)

26 Crap!  Where's the news of this bombing stuff?  My wife's seeing it on Twitter.  Drudge and Fox are sleeping.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 03:51 PM (MNq6o)

27 If you sit on the sidelines, you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 03:52 PM (GEICT)

28 I am firmly in the "Burn down the Traitors" camp. 


The NRA takes heads.  Fuck it over, and it will come after yours. 


It leverages it's power by throwing it's weight to the opposition.   If we have any power at all, it's in the fact that we can determine WHO WILL NOT WIN.   



Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 03:52 PM (Vutl+)

29 If they are allowed to get away with begging for votes by saying "I'm more like you than those racist haters in the Republican Party", then I see no reason to support them with our votes. Let them continue to beg for their votes from the party they went to in order to win the primary, and see where that gets them. (Of course, the fact that there is already a Democrat on the ticket might cost them some of those votes, but "you dance with the one(s) who brung ya".)

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (K6BSx)

30 Rule number 0:  Do not screw with a Likud Israeli government.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (ltdV/)

31 Tammy Bruce made similar points on Friday. Not sure where I stand (and I don't live in MS) but I badly want Rob Portman to be primaried.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (SAsv1)

32 The problem is that the insurgency doesnt seem to reach DC. Its no use to win primaries when the people we send to DC embrace the establishment we want to topple the moment they arrive. Rubio and Ayotte are obviously prime examples, but I also have to wonder where Cruz and Lee were during the MS primary. The old, senile fool Cochran got all the help and edorsements he wanted from Senate colleagues. McDaniels? Nothing. The tea party should stop slobbering over Cruz and make very clear that he owes them and that self-serving neutrality just isnt good enough.

Posted by: Red Widow at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (7x6G3)

33 Crap! Where's the news of this bombing stuff? My wife's seeing it on Twitter. Drudge and Fox are sleeping. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 08:51 PM (MNq6o) In Gaza? Ynet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (nzKvP)

34 I am glad you said it ace.   We need EVERY vote to take back the Senate.


Getting butt hurt over cheating GPOe's is not going to help anyone but Harry Reid, pederast.


We are having that same problem in NC.  Brannon's supporters are butt hurt and promising not to turn out.


Who does that help?  Kay Hagan.


The stupid is strong in some of these nihilist.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 03:53 PM (0FSuD)

35 I've been hearing since Bush 42 that oh just work within the party and take back local committees and work to get the Most Electable Conservative elected and stay in the system and give it time.

I tell people about the lube and I tell them. . . .

War was declared by the moderate wing of the Republican party on me. I do not take too kindly to being told I am in the wrong when I slit a throat back.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 08:46 PM (dMSj2

 

And that is the thing the apologists always want to ignore.  We've been hearing forever "oh trust the system.  You can vote for who you want in the Primary but vote R in the general even if your guy didn't win.  Because you may not get everything you want but we will start to move the needle."  These are the Establishment ones saying that. 

 

Well we have put trust in the system and what do we see happen when the Establishment candidate lose?  They throw out the system they have demanded we adhere too.  They withhold funding.  They refuse to endorse the nominee.  They outright support the democrats.

 

And as for moving the needle?  Its all bullshit.  When has the government ever actually shrank, but just not as much as we wanted it to, instead of growing?

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2014 03:54 PM (zt+N6)

36 If you sit on the sidelines, you have no right to bitch about the outcome. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 08:52 PM (GEICT) If you repeatedly shit in my mouth, you have no right to ask me for money. Or time. Or treasure.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 03:54 PM (dMSj2)

37
Burn them. Burn them ALL.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 08:43 PM (3kZUM)



It's my opinion that the Republican Party needs to learn a lesson about who they represent more than it does another Senator or two who will vote Rino half the time.  


McConnell Needs to go, and so does Cochran.   The Enemy is one thing, but traitors are worse. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 03:54 PM (Vutl+)

38 The NRA takes heads. Fuck it over, and it will come after yours.



Yeah, HORSE SHIT.  They endorsed Harry Reid, pederast. 

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 03:55 PM (0FSuD)

39 Yes, but... Right around the time of TARP, the GOPe went badly astray (one could argue that it happened with the senior drug sop to the pharmas). We need a party that stakes out a position that is pro-economic growth, but not pro-crony. That means banks, pharmas, corn, and yes...defense, etc.,...go screw yourself if you are simply generating paper profit with no real production attached or you are engaged in crude rent-seeking. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 08:49 PM (ltdV/) Funny you mention this. Ben Domenech touched on that in an article over at the Federalist, and I'm working on one exploring what a non-crony /non-corporate welfare GOP would actually look like, in terms of voters and state-by-state strength. It's a fun thought experiment because we know it isn't likely to happen.

Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at June 30, 2014 03:55 PM (0xW+x)

40 I'm so confused -- is Brandon Finnigan more or less real than Gabriel Malor?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 30, 2014 03:55 PM (T1005)

41 Vote for the R you stupid racist conservatives!

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2014 03:55 PM (zt+N6)

42 Uhh the party hates me... Almost as much as the statist do

Posted by: Uhhhh at June 30, 2014 03:55 PM (yguMY)

43 "At least 20 terror sites targeted tonight by Israeli warplanes and helicopters across Gaza strip following rocket attacks towards Israel."

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 03:56 PM (MNq6o)

44 If you repeatedly shit in my mouth, you have no right to ask me for money. Or time. Or treasure. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 08:54 PM (dMSj2) If you decry and punish the lesser evil to the advantage of the greater...you're losing. You, of course, know that I have no love for the Establishment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 03:56 PM (GEICT)

45 >>>while still others are staggering about, naked and high on shrooms, wondering what happened. Shit. I could have sworn I turned the webcam off.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 03:56 PM (hlksw)

46 Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (0FSuD)

Being called racists by the epitome of an elderly Republican cracker goes a little beyond butthurt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 03:56 PM (ltdV/)

47 Be the Party! Steve Holt!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2014 03:56 PM (ZshNr)

48 "At least 20 terror sites targeted tonight by Israeli warplanes and helicopters across Gaza strip following rocket attacks towards Israel." Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 08:56 PM (MNq6o) Peanuts. They should take out the power plants and the waste plants on Gaza for a start. Make them suffer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 03:57 PM (nzKvP)

49 We have a pretty strong Tea Party/GrassrootsAmerica movement here in ETEX. Having said that, I realize we don't reach very far outside Texas borders. We war not against flesh. Let's not forget who our enemy is. For me, the enemy is any democrat, and any republican who is not a conservative constitutionist. Well, hell, that's all of them, isn't it?

Posted by: Erowmero at June 30, 2014 03:57 PM (go5uR)

50 Fuck it 24 is on

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 03:57 PM (HVff2)

51 So, to re-iterate, fuck you Washington Establishment Party Republicans, neither me or my wife will ever give you any money ever.
Fuck fuck fuckety fuck
Let it roll let it just go Dem, and fuck em all
and yes, That's how I really feel

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at June 30, 2014 08:51 PM (Zz48T)



And that's how I feel as well.   We MUST make an object lesson out of Cochran and McConnell. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 03:57 PM (Vutl+)

52 47 Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (0FSuD)

Being called racists by the epitome of an elderly Republican cracker goes a little beyond butthurt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 08:56 PM (ltdV/)


Suck it up, hold your nose and remember the Supreme Court nominees to come that we must stop.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 03:57 PM (0FSuD)

53 I hate Republicans like that senile bastard in AZ and cochran, and on and on. But I hate the liberals more.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 03:58 PM (nzKvP)

54 We don't have ten election cycles to 'take over the party.' Boner's said he won't do amnesty before the election-- he needs to be afraid to try it after the election, or there won't be any more elections worth having.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 03:58 PM (MMC8r)

55 If you decry and punish the lesser evil to the advantage of the greater...you're losing.

You're going to have to proved that middle part.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 03:58 PM (ltdV/)

56 "Don't hate the party, become the party"

It's kinda hard to "become the party" when control of the party is being determined by bought-and-paid-for mercenary crossover voters from another party altogether.

Many of said mercenary crossover voters not even being legal!

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 03:59 PM (noWW6)

57 Suck it up, hold your nose and remember the Supreme Court nominees to come that we must stop.

All the Supreme Court votes in the world will not matter when the country is bankrupt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 03:59 PM (ltdV/)

58 30 If they are allowed to get away with begging for votes by saying "I'm more like you than those racist haters in the Republican Party", then I see no reason to support them with our votes. Let them continue to beg for their votes from the party they went to in order to win the primary, and see where that gets them. (Of course, the fact that there is already a Democrat on the ticket might cost them some of those votes, but "you dance with the one(s) who brung ya".)

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (K6BSx)



Someone at Free Republic said that the Democrat (Childers, I think) is both Pro-Life and Pro-Gun.   That sweetens the pot a bit I think.
 



Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 04:00 PM (Vutl+)

59 While AP reporter Matt Lee pressed State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki on the United States relationship with Palestine, Psaki maintained that President Abbas and his technocratic government are making every effort to abide by U.S. requirements, including the rejection of violence. Scrunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 04:00 PM (nzKvP)

60 Here's what is certain: you won't mount any if you walk away. >>> Disagree. Look at MS - enough of us walk away, Cochran's head will be mounted sure enough.

Posted by: SlapNutz at June 30, 2014 04:00 PM (G610p)

61 You're going to have to proved that middle part. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 08:58 PM (ltdV/) Repub Establishment is an attempted death by a thousand paper cuts. Dems are a gunshot to the head. I can survive paper cuts. I can fight back against paper cuts. Gunshots to the head are final.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:00 PM (GEICT)

62 I say write in McDaniel. Alinsky Barbour. Teach them that dirty tricks will be met with scorched earth. If the refuse to like the Tea Party then they should be taught to fear it.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:00 PM (GSIDW)

63 Pro life pro gun Dems are bullshit,they always vote the way the leadership wants.

Posted by: steevy at June 30, 2014 04:01 PM (zqvg6)

64 Remember 2000-2006 when Republicans held the House, Senate and White House?

Remember how much they were able to shrink the size of government and reduce spending?

Yeah, but this time they're serious.  Trust me.  That's how they say "fuck you" in DC - trust me.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 30, 2014 04:01 PM (uhMMS)

65 All the Supreme Court votes in the world will not matter when the country is bankrupt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 08:59 PM (ltdV/)


The country is bankrupt now.  You think they don't matter now?


When they take your guns, you will regret thinking it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:01 PM (0FSuD)

66 We can't vote out Demoncrats, but we sure as shit can vote out Republicans. Fuck 'em. Republicans hate the base more than anyone else. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Jack at June 30, 2014 04:01 PM (53CCM)

67 31 Rule number 0: Do not screw with a Likud Israeli government.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (ltdV/)


Benjamin Netanyahu is the first man I ever saw make Ted Koppel look like a fool on his own program.  That was the first time I ever saw Bibi, and I liked him right away. 

 



Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 04:02 PM (Vutl+)

68 And jello biafra's that stuff with the carrot shavings in it, isn't it?

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 04:02 PM (MMC8r)

69 @67


You let it burn people need to take a trip to Venezuela or Cuba to see what burning looks like when good people don't fight.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:03 PM (0FSuD)

70 Cochran can no longer "win" anything, he is on the Charlie Crist road now, the John McCain road, with Linseed Graham cobblestones and some sort of "less socialist" and Flag-wrapped rainbows in the sky its sickening and no one, no real feeling and thinking American should ever be subjected to the idiocy that the MS Senate battle has wrought But, WE did not sully the fight, We did not ring the battle horn of "Racism", twas them Now they shall reap it, because no matter how many " oh come on, vote R" arguments are made, Cochran is tainted and almost fecal goods, and he will not win this election

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at June 30, 2014 04:03 PM (Zz48T)

71 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:03 PM (MNq6o)

72 Brandon, I have rose garden & have a rose named Brandon's Dream. I have been trying to get a good picture of it for a hour. Every time I go to it with iPhone the wind starts. I planned to send you a picture when it bloomed & it's blooming today. I'll try again tomorrow. I've had it since 2006.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 04:04 PM (gjOCp)

73

True story - If you spell Brandon Finnegan backwards it says Karl Rove.  Piss off, you wanker, and take your GOP with you. Ain't no Republicans left in these parts. Try HotAir.

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at June 30, 2014 04:04 PM (HAMTH)

74 72 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:03 PM (MNq6o)


A good start.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:04 PM (0FSuD)

75 72 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:03 PM (MNq6o) Were they inside it?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:04 PM (GEICT)

76 72 this day is full of good news! May they burn forever in hell.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:04 PM (GSIDW)

77 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago.

Gee, that's too bad.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 04:05 PM (ltdV/)

78 If you decry and punish the lesser evil to the advantage of the greater...you're losing. You, of course, know that I have no love for the Establishment. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 08:56 PM (GEICT) Category error. The same category error that is in this post. You are both presuming that the evil is lesser. We are back to the completely unsupported assumption in this post and your comment that any Republican is better than any Democrat. Well. If the Republican is the "lesser" evil, which, for purposes of this discussion will mean is just a slightly less committed statist, then when that "lesser" evil is elected and votes to increase government, that works to erode, if not outright destroy, the philosophical underpinnings of Republicanism, to say nothing of conservatism. Cumulatively, that works to degrade any rationale which can be brought to bear to show those who are outside the base that the Republican party should be given power to roll back the self same governmental excesses for which the "lesser" evil Republicans voted. So, yes, I do reject, utterly, pathetic emotional blackmail from those who attempt to tell me that I'm the problem because I refuse to assist in the destruction of the philosophies which I have fought hard to protect. Yeah. No. By the by, there are two very obvious areas in which the any R over D argument is persuasive. It's not up to me to make the other side's arguments for them.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:06 PM (dMSj2)

79 And who says that being stabbed in the back by the people you thought represented your views is the "lesser" evil? I'd rather be attacked by someone I KNOW to be an enemy than be betrayed and attacked by someone I thought would be a friend.

And when they cross over that line to say "I'm just like you! I hate those racist haters in the Republican Party, and want to make the government bigger, just like you do", then there is NO reason to reward them by giving them either votes, support, time or money. Let them go back to those people they needed when they were trying to win the primary and see where that gets them.

Also, when the conservative candidate wins over the Stab candidate, the Establishment punishes them by draining support, supporting the Democrat, refusing to campaign, etc.

If the candidate with an 'R' after his/her name is so fucking important to "Party Unity", let THEM act like it, and I might take them seriously when they demand it on behalf of the backstabbers..

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 30, 2014 04:06 PM (K6BSx)

80 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago. Human rights violation! The Left

Posted by: steevy at June 30, 2014 04:06 PM (zqvg6)

81 You let it burn people need to take a trip to Venezuela or Cuba to see what burning looks like when good people don't fight.

How do you get a Chavez?

Two corrupt establishment political parties only interested in looting the country.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 04:07 PM (ltdV/)

82 Matches? Matches? Buy my box of Matches?

Buy my box of Matches Mister?

Matches? Maps? Floor Plans?
Nancy Pelosi's Floor Plan, alarm location, door and window diagrams?

Matches? Matches? Buy my box of Matches?

ALRIGHT, one at a time, one at a time.

Posted by: Little Raggedy Match Girl at June 30, 2014 04:07 PM (7HjKx)

83 If I lived in MS there isn't a chance in hell I would vote for Cochran. I think the GOPe needs to learn that going scorched earth on its own voters is counter-productive.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (dJCJQ)

84 "Suck it up, hold your nose and remember the Supreme Court nominees to come that we must stop."

I keep muttering "SCOTUS, SCOTUS" to myself, but is that really anything more than just an empty ritual incantation?

Look at the dogged resistance the Senate Republicans put up against Obama's nominees even before Reid did away with the filibuster. Which is to say, no resistance at all.

We had the likes of Miss Lindsey saying crap about how "the President is entitled to the nominees of his choice, " which is a lovely and gracious philosophical stance that has _never ever in the entirety of history_ been graciously reciprocated by liberal Democrats when considering Republican nominees.

I can't be arsed to fight for GOP control of the Senate if the GOP in the Senate aren't going to fight. And I'm rapidly losing hope that they ever will.

It's senile old troughers like Cockring all the way down. Salted with a few accommodationist Miss Lindsey types.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (noWW6)

85 I will hold my nose, with all ten fingers if necessary, to see Harry Reid as minority leader, which gives us the hope that we might see Ted Cruz as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman. At this point in our history, we cannot hope to win in the future by losing in the near term. To quote a well-known Greek speaking well-known Greek, another victory like this and we are done for.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (bJm7W)

86 I will hold my nose, with all ten fingers if necessary, to see Harry Reid as minority leader, which gives us the hope that we might see Ted Cruz as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman. At this point in our history, we cannot hope to win in the future by losing in the near term. To quote a well-known Greek speaking well-known Greek, another victory like this and we are done for.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (bJm7W)

87 Since Pixy's hamsters were so hungry they ate my last comment, I'll restate: Nope. Fuck You, Rs. I'm too bitter at this point to even join a birthday party. Alamos 30 years now - never registered under any party affiliation. And won't. Unless we get a true Conservative Party. Oh, and this Finnegan guy has Cack locked in a basement somewhere, I think. Somebody call the cops.

Posted by: shredded & melted chi at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (tANw7)

88 What comment #9 said.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (8MjqI)

89 Ok, for other races, fine. But what is your specific argument for the specific case of the specific candidate who worked his primary by calling GOP voters in the base "racist" in general? Support him? I mean "after this battle" (i.e. the primary) the "next battle" is the general election. You have a Democrats pushing big government and calling the GOP base racist; and the GOP candidate pushing big government calling the GOP base racist. How do you "double down" when both outcomes are harmful? Do you SMILE as you eat the sh*t sandwich you're forcing down your own throat and reward the GOP for attacking it's own base? That helps something somewhere? How? If you reward it, you'll get more of it; which will help you get less of it someday because... later things will change if you work to reward them for not changing? Nope... don't see it. You want to crap all over me; don't expect discretion and support when you need me. If my cat sh*ts on my bed, she doesn't get treats from me. I'm not sure how you expect them to understand they screwed up if you don't rub their nose in it just a bit.

Posted by: gekkobear at June 30, 2014 04:08 PM (4u+2X)

90 Getting butt hurt over cheating GPOe's is not going to help anyone but Harry Reid, pederast.


We are having that same problem in NC. Brannon's supporters are butt hurt and promising not to turn out.


Who does that help? Kay Hagan.


The stupid is strong in some of these nihilist.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (0FSuD)



We KNOW the Democrats are our enemy.   We THOUGHT that people in our party were our Allies, but they revealed themselves to be traitors. 


I don't know about you, but I think a traitor is far more dangerous than is an enemy.    


This isn't about being butt-hurt, this is about demonstrating the power to topple those who attack us.   We can do this by throwing our weight to the Democrat, and we very much ought to do so to demonstrate that we can make them answer for a betrayal.  


The only way a small force can make themselves relevant in an election is by playing the middle against both sides.

Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 04:09 PM (Vutl+)

91
We are having that same problem in NC. Brannon's supporters are butt hurt and promising not to turn out.Who does that help? Kay Hagan.The stupid is strong in some of these nihilist.
Posted by: Nip Sip




So when your dream boy Tillis fails to perform, as you were warned, you're going to blame -- well everyone but him.. Starting with Conservatives.

Tres suprise.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 04:09 PM (kdS6q)

92 Suck it up, hold your nose No.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:10 PM (uhAkr)

93 "A man changed against his will is of the same opinion still"

Abraham Lincoln.



Arguing these points is a waste of time.  You that decide to not vote shall be reminded of your neglect if we fail to take the Senate because of your actions.



That is all I have to say. Let you false since of duty, pride, etc lead us to defeat.


That will show them!

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:10 PM (0FSuD)

94 Yep, I sure am glad to have a strong federalist like John Roberts on the SCOTUS. That is such a good point about SC appointees. Really germane. 

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at June 30, 2014 04:10 PM (HAMTH)

95 The GOP took a look at THE MAJORITY OF THEIR VOTERS in MS and told them to fuck off. And smeared them at the same time. That's a party that needs a lesson, because you're not going to get anywhere until they do.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 04:12 PM (MMC8r)

96 Yep. Can't win if you don't play

Posted by: MAx at June 30, 2014 08:49 PM (b7yum)



We're still playing. Just changing the rules.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 04:12 PM (8MjqI)

97 Category error. The same category error that is in this post. You are both presuming that the evil is lesser. We are back to the completely unsupported assumption in this post and your comment that any Republican is better than any Democrat. Well. If the Republican is the "lesser" evil, which, for purposes of this discussion will mean is just a slightly less committed statist, then when that "lesser" evil is elected and votes to increase government, that works to erode, if not outright destroy, the philosophical underpinnings of Republicanism, to say nothing of conservatism. Cumulatively, that works to degrade any rationale which can be brought to bear to show those who are outside the base that the Republican party should be given power to roll back the self same governmental excesses for which the "lesser" evil Republicans voted. So, yes, I do reject, utterly, pathetic emotional blackmail from those who attempt to tell me that I'm the problem because I refuse to assist in the destruction of the philosophies which I have fought hard to protect. Yeah. No. By the by, there are two very obvious areas in which the any R over D argument is persuasive. It's not up to me to make the other side's arguments for them. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:06 PM (dMSj2) And your problem, as is all of those who wish to just burn down the GOP and this country, is that your assigning a general condition to the specific. You're looking at the GOP as a single monolithic entity in which all members thereof march in lockstep with singular purpose and goal. That's completely wrong. What I do, and what I would counsel anyone else to do if they so asked, is to evaluate each candidate individually on their own merits. "Fuck the GOP" is stupid and shortsighted. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction. One that I understand completely, but that makes it no less wrong. You say that the GOP is working against the ideals and goals that you hold dear. So are the Dems. The Dems want you dead tomorrow. The Repubs want you to STFD and STFU. You tell me, which one can you fight back against?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:12 PM (GEICT)

98 TFG is president for 2 years. If GOP takes the senate what are the odds Cochran or McCain vote against his judicial nominees? Yeah. I thought so,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 04:13 PM (HVff2)

99 Don't do anything stupid like leave the party. You need us.

Posted by: The Whig Party at June 30, 2014 04:13 PM (uhAkr)

100 I will never again cast a vote for The Party of George Bush. I may sound like a lefty but I'm dead serious.

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (LZKvb)

101 86 & 87 - I think that was worth repeating.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (1Mxs7)

102 With every passing day the ideology in the country shifts to the left, and the Republican Party follows. What exactly do people like Brandon think is the end game here? Take the Senate, you think that's going to stop immigration reform? Think that's going to stop undesirable judicial appointments (maybe even SCOTUS)? Even if by some miracle we turn Ohio, Florida, Virginia and another state in 2016 do we really think a (R) in the White House is going to able to gut Medicare and the rest of the government in any meaningful way that will ward off the calamity that's coming?
Get used to the idea the big changes are coming and the United States as we know it will be no more. Something will give, I don't see how it can't.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (Zehzo)

103 Dang, I'm outside & read what you & others posted about IDF!! It makes me happy, screw Hamas,

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (gjOCp)

104 Kidnappers house burned to the ground by IDF about an hour ago. Chokes me up.

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (doBIb)

105 "Remember 2000-2006 when Republicans held the House, Senate and White House? Remember how much they were able to shrink the size of government and reduce spending?"

Nondefense domestic discretionary spending up the better part of 40% on their watch.

Plus endless meddling Big Government crap legislation on top of the spending spree. Ethanol subsidies. Light bulb bans. The TSA airport grope-and-leer squad. Sarbanes-Oxley.

And then the courts -- the all important courts!!! -- we had the Republicans installing the Dread Justice Roberts on the SCOTUS. And trying to install Harriet are you fucking kidding me what kind of a sick joke is this Miers on the SCOTUS as well.

Oh, by the way, Colorado's draconian new gun control laws were just ruled to pass Constitutional muster. By a federal judge appointed by George W. Bush. Who had been confirmed by that same Republican-controlled Congress.

::: walks off muttering in complete disgust :::

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (noWW6)

106 I'm firmly in the L.I.B. camp. I don't vote for people who's interests don't run past their own power and their closest friends & financiers. Period. Didn't vote for McCain v. Obama. I don't regret that non-vote in the least, and I frick'n dare a single one of you to make the case that McCain would have been a better alternative than allowing the collective left's wet-dream of a marxist leader have his way with the U.S. for 8 years. You simply would have had 4 years of McCain fucking everything up under the imprimatur of bipartisanship at the very best, and the stamp of "Conservative" at the most likely. Don't get me wrong CAC - I get where you are coming from. I appreciate that you have some optimism that in the long run, things can work out if we play the game of electing people that vote our way more often than the other guy. I just don't share a bit of your sense that we have a long-run in which to allow things to work out. These people may vote our way more often than the other. But the ratchet still turns in one direction. As always: I'd just as soon have a quick drop into the Socialist utopia than the long slide through diminishing rights and sensibilities. Fuck all that. I'll take my chances with an out and proud tyrant like Obama. At least in that world I know who the enemy is.

Posted by: krakatoa at June 30, 2014 04:15 PM (eCtnP)

107 I'm firmly in the L.I.B. camp. I don't vote for people who's interests don't run past their own power and their closest friends & financiers. Period. Didn't vote for McCain v. Obama. I don't regret that non-vote in the least, and I frick'n dare a single one of you to make the case that McCain would have been a better alternative than allowing the collective left's wet-dream of a marxist leader have his way with the U.S. for 8 years. You simply would have had 4 years of McCain fucking everything up under the imprimatur of bipartisanship at the very best, and the stamp of "Conservative" at the most likely. Don't get me wrong CAC - I get where you are coming from. I appreciate that you have some optimism that in the long run, things can work out if we play the game of electing people that vote our way more often than the other guy. I just don't share a bit of your sense that we have a long-run in which to allow things to work out. These people may vote our way more often than the other. But the ratchet still turns in one direction. As always: I'd just as soon have a quick drop into the Socialist utopia than the long slide through diminishing rights and sensibilities. Fuck all that. I'll take my chances with an out and proud tyrant like Obama. At least in that world I know who the enemy is.

Posted by: krakatoa at June 30, 2014 04:15 PM (eCtnP)

108 >>>By the by, there are two very obvious areas in which the any R over D argument is persuasive. Gun rights and....I'm coming up blank on the second one. Maybe Israel or terrorism in general? Damn, that makes me a little sad.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:15 PM (hlksw)

109 It makes me happy, screw Hamas,

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 09:14 PM (gjOCp)


What's his number? 

Posted by: Barney at June 30, 2014 04:15 PM (0FSuD)

110 What pisses me off is seeing conservative bloggers, like CAC, putting forward these "oh those wacky Gompers, what can you do, gotta vote for them anyway" arguments. Meanwhile the actual Cochran & Barbour camp are not apologizing, they are not trying to woo back the base they pissed on. No, they're doing the end zone dance and McLame is applauding them. So screw this stand by your abusive political man meme.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:16 PM (GSIDW)

111 Thing is, guys  like Brandon actually get their hands dirty. At least in  election night  results tracking if not actual  campaigning. It's a different perspective, maybe more optimistic. Politics isn't a spectator  sport. 

Posted by: CJ at June 30, 2014 04:16 PM (9KqcB)

112 While I encourage all those with the spare time and energy to do this to go ahead, understand that at a certain point those two items become scarce resources.  Take it from a former county chairperson.

Posted by: Sockless Joe at June 30, 2014 04:16 PM (rATxP)

113 Double post night here on AoSHQ.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 04:17 PM (MMC8r)

114 Ok, now that we have that settled. Who has a good recipe for steakburgers?

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 04:17 PM (AOZw3)

115 I'm not voting for any more "GOP candidates." Ever. There might be an individual I'll still vote for, but it won't be because of his or her party affiliation. Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 04:17 PM (eAJwE)

116 You say that the GOP is working against the ideals and goals that you hold dear. So are the Dems. The Dems want you dead tomorrow. The Repubs want you to STFD and STFU. You tell me, which one can you fight back against? The NRSC is going to give funds to Thad Cochran. To a man who called us racists and used blood libel against us. Most of his fellow Senators in the GOP are on his side, are pleased he 'got' black voters to support him. The GOP has chosen Thad Cochran. Clearly they don't need me. This party is rotten. Its leadership is entrenched, and fighting them from within is a losing proposition. The TEA party needs its own primary to select the strongest candidate. The vote gets split and the Establishment candidate always wins. And when the establishment loses, they support the Dems. We have three parties right now. One party is trying to live inside the skin of another, and the result is chaos.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:17 PM (uhAkr)

117 put all their heads on a stake... G8d can sort them out later.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM (q+fqH)

118 If I were the opposition party I would be feeding my enemy all this "stay at home" shit.  You don't think some democrat fingerprints are on this message?  This is war to the left and they are using counterintelligence.  Like with the Cochran race.  They're smarter than you think and a whole lot more ruthless.

If you think your GOP guy is a pussy - treat him like one.  Bully his ass into fearing you.  Beating Cochran would have been another step toward that.  And that's not over yet.  Then you vote the old fuckers out one at a time in the primaries.  Not in the election against the fucking dem.  You sure the fuck don't stay at home like a whiny bitch.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM (MNq6o)

119 The stupid is strong in some of these nihilist.


Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 08:53 PM (0FSuD)



So we are nihilists for not voting for nihliists?

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 04:19 PM (8MjqI)

120 8(

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 04:19 PM (MMC8r)

121 "Who has a good recipe for steakburgers?"

One 12 oz sirloin steak seasoned and grilled over wood coals to your liking

One sesame seed bun, grilled (not toasted) with butter

Combine and serve

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 30, 2014 04:19 PM (uhMMS)

122 Voter mom, Sorry iPhone put in space, I almost had rage stroke when I read McCain applauding dirty politics! Bitter old men retire!

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 04:19 PM (gjOCp)

123 Lace Whigs. Lace Whigs for sale. Only the best lace Whigs.

Posted by: Lace Whigs at June 30, 2014 04:20 PM (noWW6)

124 Nobody, NOBODY is owed your vote. They have to earn it.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:20 PM (GSIDW)

125 what was that line in Orwell's "1984"? "If you want a picture of the future, imagine Hillary's boot stamping on a human face -- forever." I'm staying home, let the other side win. Hurray for Big Brother.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:20 PM (bJm7W)

126
"Fuck the GOP" is stupid and shortsighted. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction. One that I understand completely, but that makes it no less wrong.
Posted by: BCochran1981



Please.  It's an obvious summary.  Would we vote for Cruze?  Almost all would eagerly. The rest of the guys, including the chair-warmers who voted for Boehner and McCarthy for party leader in a landslide?

Nope.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 04:21 PM (kdS6q)

127 115 Ok, now that we have that settled.
Who has a good recipe for steakburgers?

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 09:17 PM (AOZw3)


That Bacon BBQ Whopper that BK is advertising sounds pretty good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:21 PM (0FSuD)

128 And your problem, as is all of those who wish to just burn down the GOP and this country, is that your assigning a general condition to the specific. You're looking at the GOP as a single monolithic entity in which all members thereof march in lockstep with singular purpose and goal. That's completely wrong. What I do, and what I would counsel anyone else to do if they so asked, is to evaluate each candidate individually on their own merits. "Fuck the GOP" is stupid and shortsighted. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction. One that I understand completely, but that makes it no less wrong. You say that the GOP is working against the ideals and goals that you hold dear. So are the Dems. The Dems want you dead tomorrow. The Repubs want you to STFD and STFU. You tell me, which one can you fight back against? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:12 PM I am just as dead. No, seriously, what I hold dearest to me is *just as motherfucking dead* when those who claim an inherent and immutable right to my time, treasure and vote use said vote to slit the throat of the principles they were putatively elected to uphold. By the by, you are now changing the terms of the argument from working within the GOP to be a change agent to evaluating each GOP candidate on his/her own terms. That is a fundamental change in terms. The premise of this post is that there is time to affect change and, implicitly, that change can be effected. It's going on 30 years I've been told that. Trust me, I have seen quite the change by working within the GOP structure. That change is that the GOP structure, and obviously I am writing large here, now hates me. Why, exactly, am I honor and duty bound to work for someone who hates me? Because that does not track at all. Now, if you want to change the argument to evaluate each GOP candidate on his/her own merits, fine. You know that I do not disagree with that. But as far as the whole "lesser evil" argument? You (specific you) still have not adduced any support for your position.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:22 PM (dMSj2)

129 You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Lollygaggers!

Posted by: GOP Pep Talk #304 at June 30, 2014 04:22 PM (MMC8r)

130 Carol, read about it on twitter - not sure what he actually said. Just that their tactics should be emulated.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:22 PM (GSIDW)

131 The GOPe needed a lesson. They flunked the lesson on Cantor. Let Cochran be the next lesson. And on...

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 04:22 PM (8MjqI)

132 what was that line in Orwell's "1984"? "If you want a picture of the future, imagine Hillary's boot stamping on a human face -- forever." I'm staying home, let the other side win. Hurray for Big Brother. In 1984, the opposition party, the Brotherhood, is in fact a Thought Police organization designed to funnel and control dissidents. The GOP is the Brotherhood. You won't see reduced spending with the GOP, or a rollback of insane leftwing activism. You'll see Thad Cochran and Mitch McConnell. You'll see steady hands on the rudders of state.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:23 PM (uhAkr)

133 You want to throw up, watch Megan interview Ayers.  That fucking commie scum is totally unrepentant.



He is upset some of "his" people blew themselves up. Everyone else?
 

Nope.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:24 PM (0FSuD)

134 Quoting Brandon Finnigan: " Lose a race? Go to the next one. And the next one. And the next. And the next. A relentless pursuit, a long march through the party's infrastructure and elections, until "the powers that be" become the powers that were. " My philosophy has always been...make them spend all their money on beating you, and they won't have any to spend on others they oppose.

Posted by: Mr_Write at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (dqdFX)

135 Now, if you want to change the argument to evaluate each GOP candidate on his/her own merits, fine. You know that I do not disagree with that. But as far as the whole "lesser evil" argument? You (specific you) still have not adduced any support for your position. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:22 PM (dMSj2) If you honestly think that the average R politician is just as interested in your demise as the average D politician, then *shrug* there's no amount of "evidence" I can provide that will convince you otherwise. I'm not going to sit here and internet yell at a RL friend over it. By the way, go reread the comments in this thread. People are openly advocating for the Rs to lose and the Ds to win. I guess I'll see you in the camps. Or in the ditch.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (GEICT)

136 I'll take my chances with an out and proud tyrant like Obama. At least in that world I know who the enemy is. Posted by: krakatoa ------------------------------------ If you are eager to achieve that end, you can imagine that others might not embrace your ennui. To paraphrase Saul Bellow, at some point one must simply take whatever weapons one has, and march to the front. Thus it is with currently weak leadership. If you're going to throw down your pitchfork and give up, then so be it. Many of intend to fight the good fight, even if all we that have are rusty shovels.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (1Mxs7)

137 117. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 09:17 PM (uhAkr) Well put. I won't go as far as saying I will never vote national GOP ticket. But no more money. I'm not a huge contributor but I give enough. I still like my GOP senator Ron Johnson. My GOP congressman is a dork who will not get my vote

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (HVff2)

138

Don't judge the GOP as a whole?  Look at just the candidates?  Why? 

 

Ok let's look at just some candidates.  Thad Cochran and David Brat.  Which candidate is getting that broad GOP support?  Who is being shunned and having their legs cut out from under them?

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (zt+N6)

139 *Special Bonus Edition*

John McCain goes from 'Nothing to Fear' to 'Mistaken'.


XXX,

Yet again, this President is wrong.

He mistakenly believes that releasing terrorists from U.S. custody will make us safer. He shrinks the size and power of our military. He breaks the trust of our veterans in their government. As a result, he has compromised our security interests here and abroad and weakened our standing in the world.

Worst of all, President Obama's policies continue to cost millions of Americans jobs and access to health care.

When the world needs American leadership, our President fails to lead. As a result, friends and foes alike are coming to see America as weak, unreliable and lacking credibility.

Americans deserve better.

With conservative leaders, we can redirect our course. We can place our country on a stronger, more secure and prosperous path. And we can advance the American ideals that have given us the world's most dynamic economy, effective military and thriving democracy.

So I just reached out to RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to see what I could do to help end Obama's errors and get Republican leaders elected.

Reince reminded me that the RNC has an urgent FEC fundraising deadline at midnight tonight- - and they're $61,983 short of their goal.

If you're as frustrated with Obama and his policies as I am, donate $24 to the RNC today before the urgent deadline at midnight tonight to end the era of Obama's agenda by gaining a Republican Majority in the Senate.

With Republican leaders in control of the Senate, we can block Obama's radical agenda and effectively end his errors during his final two years in office.

But we can't do it alone- - we need you to join us in this effort.

Make this an "end of an error"for Obama by contributing to the RNC before the critical deadline at midnight tonight.

Thanks,

Senator John McCain

Posted by: Injun smoking peyote[/i] [/b] at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (jYxCp)

140 The first step to becoming the party is to become a precinct committeeman, precinct captain, or whatever they're called in your state. Visit precinctproject.org to find out more, and exactly how to do it. Briefly: You need to find the County Chairman. google Republican party chairman, or google and call your state party, or call up a local elected official or candidate. From there, tell your County Chairman you "just want to help the Party." Which you do, but not in the way he thinks. That's the way you will proceed from now on. Tell them what they want to hear, in a "to serve man" kind of way. Become essential. Learn the ropes. When they ask for delegates, volunteer. Organize a voting bloc. Ask people for money, and mean it. Create loyalty and debts, call them in, and mean that, too.

Posted by: Loren Heal at June 30, 2014 04:25 PM (M4SUR)

141 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:22 PM (dMSj2)

Right *the fuck* on, atc!!  You are a treasure and I hope to be your cell-mate in the re-education camp.  xoxo, my dear.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (8lmkt)

142 I live and vote in Mississippi. Most of my friends are self identified"conservative rebublicans". About half are like me and are fed up with the likes of McCain, McConnel and Cochran. The other half suported Cochran because he is in line to head appropriations and because he brings lots of federal dollars to the state. Not only am I not voting for Cochran, but I plan on voting for the democrat, just to get rid of Cochran. I am past let it burn. I say burn it to the ground.

Posted by: Hammer at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (5buGz)

143 O/T Immunity is not on the table. Your hand is on the table. Stab stab stab. Ugh. ugh. I love Jack Bauer.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (V70Uh)

144 If you think your GOP guy is a pussy - treat him like one. Bully his ass into fearing you. Beating Cochran would have been another step toward that. And that's not over yet. Then you vote the old fuckers out one at a time in the primaries. Not in the election against the fucking dem. You sure the fuck don't stay at home like a whiny bitch. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:18 PM (MNq6o) No. With your way you come crawling back to Cochran after a few good punches he threw into your face and you ask him for another. Your way is the pussy way. You make these fuckers fear you because if they double cross you like Cochran did, they lose.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (6SrUc)

145 Ooops Wrong sock.

Posted by: Real Emails From Your GOP at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (jYxCp)

146 So you think calling someone a 'whinny bitch' is a winning argument and will motivate someone to go vote, five months from now? Ya, I can see that, an angry disgruntled conservative saying, 'he thinks I won't vote, well by God I'll show him" Or tell someone they don't have any rights if they don't vote, because they're not in the game. Which, if you think about it just confirms that politics is all about getting your guy elected so your guy can do you favors, and we should all vote for your guy because he can do you favors if you give him enough cash money and campaign help. Yep, I can see how this game is played. but what happens if I don't want any favors from your guy? You gonna punish me for not voting for your guy?

Posted by: Rufus P Kockless at June 30, 2014 04:27 PM (AOZw3)

147 "Most of his fellow Senators in the GOP are on his side, are pleased he 'got' black voters to support him."

Shitfire, they're the ones who paid for those voters.

The amount of cash that the Senate GOP incumbent-protection machine funneled to Cochran and Barbour, who turned around and paid it out as "walkin'-round money" to Democratic vote fraud artists, was just appalling.

McQueeg alone kicked in a ton of dollars.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 04:27 PM (noWW6)

148 Nope. Posted by: Nip Sip ---------------- I'm thinking that somewhere, there is a lamp post with his name on it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:28 PM (1Mxs7)

149 You want to throw up, watch Megan interview Ayers. That fucking commie scum is totally unrepentant.

He is upset some of "his" people blew themselves up. Everyone else?
Nope.
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 09:24 PM



Everyone else is a liar.

Posted by: huerfano at June 30, 2014 04:28 PM (bAGA/)

150 Here it is RINO DISGRACE:@SenJohnMcCain 'Cochran's Tactics against TeaParty in MS Worth Emulating' bit.ly/1r71nvK @BreitbartNews @marklevinshow

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:29 PM (GSIDW)

151 @141

Excellent advice.  Over half the precincts don't  even have anyone show up.



Show up and you can be a  precinct chairman.


It's not hard.  How do you think Rand Paul's people took over Iowa?


They showed up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:29 PM (0FSuD)

152 Finnigan's Rainbow was a terrible move. Chock-full of white privilege.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (Dwehj)

153 Red State is reporting that there is credible reports of voter fraud in MS. All I know is that the establishment weasels banded together to force conservatives to eat shit. We should be happy with that? Fuck no.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (jucos)

154 Posted by: Hammer at June 30, 2014 ------------------ Dangerously close to my nic.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (1Mxs7)

155 Don't hate the party? I'm trying not to:

"Reverend Stevie Fielder, associate pastor at historic First Union Missionary Baptist Church and former official at Meridian's redevelopment agency, says he delivered "hundreds or even thousands," of blacks to the polls after being offer money and being assured by a Cochran campaign operative that Chris McDaniel was a racist. "They [the Cochran campaign] told me to offer blacks fifteen dollars each and to vote for Thad.""

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (bCaR9)

156
The first step to becoming the party is to become a precinct committeeman ect.
Posted by: Loren Heal




And you'll notice just how well your State party keeps just that that information obsured from the casuals. Because,one can't have -- those -- sorts showing up at the wine tastings.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 04:31 PM (kdS6q)

157 I can't believe hat SOB had the nerve to analogize the bombings by The Weather Underground with John McCain's bombing runs in Vietnam.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 30, 2014 04:31 PM (Q09A0)

158 To paraphrase Saul Bellow, at some point one must simply take whatever weapons one has, and march to the front. Thus it is with currently weak leadership. You will march to the front of their choosing, fighting for Thad Cochran's right to continue at the public trough, and for Mississippi to get more 'bacon.' You are not fighting against the fascists who are controlling our speech, or activist judges, or runaway debt and deficits. The GOP is choosing the battle. You are the weapon, not them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:31 PM (uhAkr)

159 The party is the cocksuckers at the top right now CAC...

we can do both hate the GOPe and become the GOP...

in other news I think I just successfully reinstalled my network after my modem gave up the ghost

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:32 PM (T6Jz2)

160 Fucking UPS.  Had a package shipped yesterday to me, one day.  This morning it said delivery my end of day. I have UPS Choice, so I knew when it shipped, etc.


Amazingly the latest update changed the ship date to today, not yesterday.


WTF.  Unions. 

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:32 PM (0FSuD)

161 Not only was it a bad move, but a bad movie, as well. Sheesh.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at June 30, 2014 04:32 PM (Dwehj)

162 154 Red State is reporting that there is credible reports of voter fraud in MS. All I know is that the establishment weasels banded together to force conservatives to eat shit. We should be happy with that? Fuck no.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 09:30 PM (jucos)

 

And isn't the establishment pushing to have the results certified at the last second to prevent McDaniel from actually challenging.

 

Oh yeah these are people deserving of support.

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2014 04:32 PM (zt+N6)

163 You sure the fuck don't stay at home like a whiny bitch. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:18 PM (MNq6o) I'll stay home and you'll like it. Bitch.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 04:33 PM (eAJwE)

164 And isn't the establishment pushing to have the results certified at the last second to prevent McDaniel from actually challenging.

I believe that is exactly what is happening, buzz.  I'm completely in the LIB camp.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (8lmkt)

165 I can't help but think that the average leftist who might happen to wander over here out of curiosity can't believe that we don't understand how important it is to follow orders from above. Think Pajama Boy, he probably wanted a cognac but was told to take hot chocolate and by gum he did.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (bJm7W)

166 >>>I'm not going to sit here and internet yell at a RL friend over it. Holy shit! two people with defensible arguments both holding their ground and not resorting to ad hominem purity wars. Kinda makes me feel like river dancing. *dances on top of couch* Oh, Cochran: cafe latte. twist of lemon. sweet and low.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (hlksw)

167 Hey, I'm all in for you guys and gals that stayed home.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at June 30, 2014 04:35 PM (Dwehj)

168 If you honestly think that the average R politician is just as interested in your demise as the average D politician, then *shrug* there's no amount of "evidence" I can provide that will convince you otherwise. I'm not going to sit here and internet yell at a RL friend over it. By the way, go reread the comments in this thread. People are openly advocating for the Rs to lose and the Ds to win. I guess I'll see you in the camps. Or in the ditch. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:25 PM (GEICT) I am saying, I thought rather clearly, that the GOP as currently constituted is not interested in advancing those positions that are supposedly the part of the Republican platform. So, yes, judging on results, not actions, I do think that a substantial portion of the GOP who wants conservative political theory dead. If a few eggs have to be broken on the way to get there, so be it. Of course people are advocating for that. Why would they not? What happened in Mississippi is vile. Completely and totally vile. An ( R ) after a name isn't a magic cloak that protects against consequences. There's a point. Are we not those who believe that actions have consequences? While Cochran et al chose of their own free will to act in the manner they did. They will now reap the whirlwind and deservedly so. Look. We disagree. We disagree intently. So what. Life's boring if everyone thinks the same way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:35 PM (dMSj2)

169 I will say one thing.  The MS vote is not going to be forgotten.


I have a Monday lunch with a group of rich retirees, would be GOPe's for sure.


Everyone of them was mad as hell about MS.  I was surprised at the anger.


MS was a big fuck up nationally.  National is going to regret it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:35 PM (0FSuD)

170

The first step to becoming the party is to become a precinct committeeman, precinct captain, or whatever they're called in your state. Visit precinctproject.org to find out more, and exactly how to do it.

 

Sounds  like work.  No, I think the key  is to  demonstrate  that no one is more cynical and brow-beaten than us. Once the  nation feels the force of our  online disgust,  which they can barely comprehend,  not being as disgusted  as us,  it will be morning  in America again.  You gotta believe in the power of online  displays of passionate disappointment and unmatched snark.

Posted by: CJ at June 30, 2014 04:35 PM (9KqcB)

171 I need jwest to give his opinion to find out the wrong way to regard this quandary.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPad at June 30, 2014 04:36 PM (SAsv1)

172 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:35 PM (dMSj2)

I would follow you anywhere.  (Not in a creepy way, of course.)   

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (8lmkt)

173 Thad Cochran's campaign engaged in now proven illegal vote buying. There are over 1500 illegal crossover votes in Hinds County. They didn't check for crossovers there, they didn't in several others including Jefferson Davis county, etc.

Time to overturn the election.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (buZ/8)

174 At the macro level we are doomed.

Tens of millions of Boomers will be collecting Social Security and Medicare in the next decade.  They're not going to vote for someone who might threaten the benefits they've earned by paying into the system their whole lives.

The education system has been co-opted as a vehicle for indoctrination.  The vast majority of young people have been steeped in identity politics and raised to see government as the solution to every problem.

The only solution is to drop out, stop working and paying taxes, and flood the system with new welfare, food stamp, and Medicaid claims and bring on the collapse.

The difference between the GOP and Democrats is whether to use cruise control or mat the accelerator on the road to ruin.

Demography is destiny.  The US will be majority Hispanic in 30 years.  They will support the Hugo Chavezes every time.

Doomed.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (uhMMS)

175 172 I need jwest to give his opinion to find out the wrong way to regard this quandary. Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPad at June 30, 2014 09:36 PM (SAsv1) Add Moo Moo & jack straw and then you can make it best 2 of 3

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (HVff2)

176 172 LOL reminds me of how I vet my candidates. Anyone the media loves is automatically suspect. Anyone the media hates is worth a second look.

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (GSIDW)

177 re 156: shit hitting the fan, if true. I expect the hard drive will crash, even if he doesn't have a laptop yet.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (bJm7W)

178 >>>I would follow you anywhere. (Not in a creepy way, of course.) Ditto. Minus the no-creepy part.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (hlksw)

179 Fewer republicans in congress will make Ted Cruz weaker or stronger?

Notice some shiny new faces here saying how they're not voting for republicans anymore?  Probably fresh from a little clown car driven over from think progress.

Don't be fucking naive,  people.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (MNq6o)

180 "Arabs Throw Stones at Ambulance Carrying Bodies of Murdered Boys" At Drudge. These are animals. I would revel in their elimination.

Posted by: Guido 'there's not enough tequila' at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (BaT2K)

181 Oh, Cochran: cafe latte. twist of lemon. sweet and low. Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 09:34 PM (hlksw) You probably missed it but I just flashed you for that. *blows kisses to Peaches*

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:38 PM (dMSj2)

182 Did I never tell you alexthechick that I love you? Well. There it is.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 04:39 PM (V70Uh)

183 DC, bless your heart!  What are you drinking tonight?  I'm all a-twitter (in the old-school way) waiting for "24" to come on and give me a tingle.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:39 PM (8lmkt)

184 Oh, Cochran: cafe latte. twist of lemon. sweet and low. Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 09:34 PM (hlksw) Go pour me a drink you fairy fuck.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:39 PM (GEICT)

185 I'll stay home and you'll like it. Bitch. Posted by: Harrison Bergeron

Tough talk, couch potato.  Obama loves your style.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:40 PM (MNq6o)

186 Love is in the air.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at June 30, 2014 04:40 PM (Dwehj)

187 Re: GOPe They beat us because they love us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 04:40 PM (jucos)

188 *ties potato to a string and prepares to drag it around BC's backyard*

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (dMSj2)

189 One thing.  And I live far behind enemy lines, in the very bowels of the beast.  I ALWAYS vote.  I have no truck with them what sit home.  It irks the living shit outta me and is partially responsible for where we are today.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (8lmkt)

190 Don't be fucking naive, people. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:38 PM (MNq6o) Naive is believing the GOP is going to do anything, in spite of the evidence of the past fourteen years.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (uhAkr)

191 Oh bye the way, my daughter recently informed me that she is not a liberal. Oh happy day!

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (V70Uh)

192 180 Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:38 PM (MNq6o)

Who's naive?

I've been here since shortly after the start.

After this cycle I may never vote GOP again....they sure as fuck ain't getting my vote for free.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (T6Jz2)

193 You probably missed it but I just flashed you for that. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:38 PM (dMSj2) Annnnnd.....cut! Print it! That's a rap. DVDs done in about an hour.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (yz6yg)

194 Time to overturn the election.
Posted by: NWConservative

Damn right.  Or should they maybe just stay at home?  There's a great chance it will be overturned,  if someone fucking does something about it. 

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (MNq6o)

195 189 *ties potato to a string and prepares to drag it around BC's backyard* Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:41 PM (dMSj2) *gropes AtC while she's passed out*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (GEICT)

196 Seems to me that the D's are using our tax money to get LIV to vote for them (welfare, EBT, etc.) and the R's are doing the same thing with their money from donors.   There are more takers than taxpayers.  The math is going to fuck us all  without any lube.

Posted by: Infidel at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (fVZtx)

197 Re: GOPe They beat us because they love us. Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 09:40 PM (jucos) *********** and they know what's good for us......

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (jucos)

198 Love is in the air.

You don't know the half of it, pal.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (Dwehj)

199 I'm firmly in the Empire of Jeff camp No more handing over time or money just because you're not a D and you twirl around the pole a few times. No, you're going to have to jiggle those tits and wiggle that ass good if you want the rewards now.

Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (aTXUx)

200 Don't be fucking naive, people. Posted by: Dang ---------------------------- Their point seems to be, holding their breath until their states turn blue. One forcefully-written personal letter to your GOP congress-critter, is worth a thousand rants here. Hand written, worth two thousand rants.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (1Mxs7)

201 180 Fewer republicans in congress will make Ted Cruz weaker or stronger?

Notice some shiny new faces here saying how they're not voting for republicans anymore? Probably fresh from a little clown car driven over from think progress.

Don't be fucking naive, people.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:38 PM (MNq6o)


Go find some democrats to vote for your guys since you love to win with them so fucking much.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 04:42 PM (buZ/8)

202 so, Cochran . . . who'd we piss off today?    xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:43 PM (8lmkt)

203 Oh bye the way, my daughter recently informed me that she is not a liberal. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 09:41 PM (V70Uh) Obligatory http://tinyurl.com/oxrqfxw

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 04:43 PM (yz6yg)

204 And isn't the establishment pushing to have the results certified at the last second to prevent McDaniel from actually challenging.

Isn't that fuckstick Barbour's second cousin or something an election judge in Bing County?...whatever the fuck they call it.

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 04:43 PM (LZKvb)

205 It is obvious to me that Brandon Finnegan didn't bother to clear this post with DrewM in advance.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 04:43 PM (2aOF9)

206 See, this is what happens when you let the fookin' Oirish post on the blog.

All-out warfare in the comments!


Just kidding.  Some of my best friends are Oirish.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:43 PM (rXB/r)

207 In case anybody didn't know this, FNS "discussed" the MS race with Rove and Hume without bringing up any of the dirty tricks and acting like it was just a rough primary. Thanks again, Ailes. Tell me how these turds are significantly better than the rest.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPad at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (SAsv1)

208 Tunder-boomers here in N. Illinois. We are being punished for allowing a com-muzzie to use the area for a base. Thor, please direct toward D.C. That's where he hides now.

Posted by: seamrog at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (Bo4mL)

209 >>>You probably missed it but I just flashed you for that. Well, since I left my FUCKING IPAD ON THE FUCKING PLANE today, I most certainly did miss it. But I imagine it was real and it was glorious. brb. >>>What are you drinking tonight? All of it. Because I left my FUCKING IPAD ON THE FUCKING PLANE today. Currently Dogfish Palo Santo Marron. Sounds like Moron and is 12% ABV. It should do the job.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (hlksw)

210 Did I never tell you alexthechick that I love you? Well. There it is. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 09:39 PM (V70Uh) *blushes* Awww thanks. And BC I am not that much of a lightweight. Stop. Laughing. I can hear you. OKAY THAT GUFFAWING WAS JUST MEAN.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (dMSj2)

211 203 so, Cochran . . . who'd we piss off today? xoxo Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 09:43 PM (8lmkt) Ha! Stealing my line! I don't think anyone. In fact, I posted a thing on my Facebook a little while ago about the Hobby Lobby decision and it's getting a decent bit of love. Which is a nice change.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (GEICT)

212 No more handing over time or money just because you're not a D and you twirl around the pole a few times. No, you're going to have to jiggle those tits and wiggle that ass good if you want the rewards now. Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2014 09:42 PM (aTXUx) Throw in a shot of a '68 Camaro SS every once in a while and you got my vote.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 04:45 PM (yz6yg)

213 201 Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 09:42 PM (1Mxs7)

Hammer I was visited by the ghost of GOP past present and future this cycle...

I got called by the Congresscritter where I built my house, from Louisiana where I volunteered, the Ohio district I vote in, and the local SC one...

I told all 4 the same thing...housebreak the McCain gang or I am broken.

They do not listen when they are begging a 1500 dollar donation....

they don't listen face to face, and I am betting they don't read the mail or telegrams anymore...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:45 PM (T6Jz2)

214 198 Re: GOPe They beat us because they love us. Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 09:40 PM (jucos) *********** and they know what's good for us...... Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 09:42 PM (jucos) Yeah, yeah & it's going to hurt me a lot more than it's going to hurt you.....GOPe parenting & governing skills

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (HVff2)

215 Stop. Laughing. I can hear you. OKAY THAT GUFFAWING WAS JUST MEAN. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:44 PM (dMSj2) What about openly snickering? Is that ok?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (GEICT)

216 >>>*ties potato to a string and prepares to drag it around BC's backyard* You'd probably have better luck with beer.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (hlksw)

217 re 180: saw an article today on Huffington Post (probably from the Yahoo main page) urging the Tea Party to split away and form a third party. I don't take advice from the enemy, thank you

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (bJm7W)

218 The only Finnigan I ever knew was a fall down drunk who died after a street car ran over him.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (oFCZn)

219 Because I left my FUCKING IPAD ON THE FUCKING PLANE today.

supersadface, DC!  ya fuckin' goof!!! 

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (8lmkt)

220 Tough talk, couch potato. Obama loves your style. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:40 PM (MNq6o) And the GOPe loves yours, honeybunch.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (eAJwE)

221
The insurgency in Mississippi should not "walk away", they should vote 3rd party there.  Brandon may feel that to be walking away, but I see it as part of the fight.  And then the next election, maybe the GOP estabs will think better of it.  That would be winning the next one.

I've seen gop party made up rules on the fly keep conservatives out of the races in 2010.  I left the party after that. 

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (JE/wX)

222 OK horde going to scan through 200 channels to find something really educational to watch like Swamp People or Lizard Lick Towing, a good NC group.

Probably wind up watching a Nazi show, since every night Hitler is still plotting to take over the world on some channel.  Did you all know we won WWII, in color?

What would H2 do without the Nazi's to pick on?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (0FSuD)

223 202 Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 09:42 PM (buZ/

Cochholster taught me the error of my ways along with Luap Darn....

the key to good civics is bi-partisanship...

They want Democrats to vote in the GOP primary....

I may vote D in the general....

it is exactly the same.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:47 PM (T6Jz2)

224 As an aside, I am astonished by the outrage the Hobby decision has caused. The Left/Liberals have gone completely out of their minds. We kid about them being just slightly insane, but the fact is they are stark raving mad. It's bubbling just under the surface.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:47 PM (1Mxs7)

225 Not in MS, but when I cannot tell the ethical or moral difference between the "official" Republican candidate and the typical pond scum anointed by the Democrat party, I think my blind allegiance to the Republican party might want to take a day off. Sometimes, the lesser of two evils is not all that much lesser, and if selecting the slightly more evil choice provides an object lesson so be it. One problem is that it is almost too late in the survival game for this to matter. We should have been chastising the GOPe for decades instead of going along to get along!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 30, 2014 04:47 PM (o3MSL)

226 What would H2 do without the Nazi's to pick on? Posted by: Nip Sip ------------------ I could send you a picture of the French Broad...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:48 PM (1Mxs7)

227 205 And isn't the establishment pushing to have the results certified at the
last second to prevent McDaniel from actually challenging.


Isn't that fuckstick Barbour's second cousin or something an election judge in Bing County?...whatever the fuck they call it.

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 09:43 PM (LZKvb)

Hinds county has Connie Cochran (sister in law) as an election commisioner who was talking with the Hinds Dem Chair on committing vote fraud (allowing crossovers) along with Pete Perry Hinds GOP Chair. Who was recently arrested for committing a DUI on Sat.

Barbour's PAC gave him 60,000 dollars for his consulting company.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 04:48 PM (buZ/8)

228 What about openly snickering? Is that ok? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:46 PM (GEICT) *sniffles* Fine. I'll permit it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:48 PM (dMSj2)

229 Saw the title, checked the site header... yep, still says AoSHQ  and not Finnigan of Spades HQ.

Didn't bother reading any more. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (PEb5B)

230 We kid about them being just slightly insane, but the fact is they are stark raving mad. It's bubbling just under the surface. Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 09:47 PM (1Mxs7) You HAVE to go read the Twitter feed for @SCOTUSBlog if you want to start your schadenboner. Just. Priceless.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (yz6yg)

231 We kid about them being just slightly insane, but the fact is they are stark raving mad. It's bubbling just under the surface. And remember: Thad Cochran, Mitch McConnell, John McCain...they'll feed you to them to stay in power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (uhAkr)

232 I could send you a picture of the French Broad...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 09:48 PM (1Mxs7)

Pretty sure the entire horde just perked up at that, Hammer.  Don't be a tease . . .

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (8lmkt)

233 Nobody seems to get that no matter who you put in charge of a meat grinder, it grinds meat. And this conversation hasn't changed since, well, ever. Certainly even the tone, timber, and most of the words haven't changed since 2008. If somebody's going to do something new, now would be a good time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (WqvLb)

234 My mom used to tie a potato and a pork chop around my neck.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (Dwehj)

235 I could send you a picture of the French Broad...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 09:48 PM (1Mxs7)


I'll bet it's muddy?


Going up to Yadkin River Fish Club Wednesday to catch pet fish.  It's near Blowing Rock, but I will be stopping in Lenoir to buy shit at Wally World.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:50 PM (0FSuD)

236 I love a loaf of French broad.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 30, 2014 04:50 PM (2aOF9)

237 Ha Ha Hammer you got them.  French Broad RIVER.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:51 PM (0FSuD)

238 Going up to Yadkin River Fish Club Wednesday to catch pet fish. It's near Blowing Rock, but I will be stopping in Lenoir to buy shit at Wally World.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 09:50 PM (0FSuD)

some people have such swanky and enviable lives . . . sigh

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:51 PM (8lmkt)

239 Go to these two sites for more info: http://precinctproject.us http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com Richard Viguerie advocates The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Project in his new book, Takeover: http://www.conservativehq.com/article/16925-today-conservative-takeover-gop-starts-your-neighborhood The Strategy works, but only if enough conservatives work it. Currently, about 200,000 of the 400,000 local Republican Party precinct committeeman slots are vacant. Conservatives, if you fill up all the vacancies, and join with the half of the existing PCs that are conservatives, conservatives would have a 75% majority in the Party's apparatus -- and a full strength, rather than half-strength, Party to boot! Thank you. ColdWarrior http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Posted by: ColdWarrior at June 30, 2014 04:51 PM (Hhd52)

240 I think they call them bagatelles.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 30, 2014 04:51 PM (2aOF9)

241 >>>supersadface, DC! ya fuckin' goof!!! No shit. I feel like such a dummy. Here's the thing. I was on literally 2 hours sleep since my colon decided to do its own version of Shock and Awe starting at just after midnight last night. I left for the airport at 0600, and was reading the kindle app until takeoff. Then I got some sleep/ passed out and put the fucker in the seat back pocket. Slept until landing, woke up and shambled off the plane. Leaving the iPad safely in the seat back pocket. *throws All The Things*

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:51 PM (hlksw)

242 You HAVE to go read the Twitter feed for @SCOTUSBlog if you want to start your schadenboner. Just. Priceless. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 30, 2014 09:49 PM (yz6yg) It's getting better and better because I'm pretty sure whomever is doing it has cracked open the good booze.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:52 PM (dMSj2)

243 No, you're going to have to jiggle those tits and wiggle that ass good if you want the rewards now.
That's a platform I can get behind.

Posted by: fluffy at June 30, 2014 04:52 PM (Ua6T/)

244 226 -

Yep, that's about  right.  Some of us  are liable for this party having  gotten so far lost.  I can see that now. 

I accept the blame.  It doesn't  change the  fact.  The party as it currently exists does not  represent me.   It  needs me gone.  So I'm gone. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 04:52 PM (PEb5B)

245 225 As an aside, I am astonished by the outrage the Hobby decision has caused. The Left/Liberals have gone completely out of their minds. We kid about them being just slightly insane, but the fact is they are stark raving mad. It's bubbling just under the surface. One ranter was talking about separation of church and state ... I don't know how she thinks that means government needs to force Hobby Lobby to pay for birth control - but hey. Who needs Reasons?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 04:52 PM (0NdlF)

246 some people have such swanky and enviable lives . . . sigh

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 09:51 PM (8lmkt)


Peaches, it's a dirty job, but have 40 years of working, I am just the kind of guy to volunteer for the job. 


I am a giver.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (0FSuD)

247 Cochholster taught me the error of my ways along with Luap Darn....

the key to good civics is bi-partisanship...

They want Democrats to vote in the GOP primary....

I may vote D in the general....

it is exactly the same.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 30, 2014 09:47 PM (T6Jz2)


Roger Wicker LOOOOVES himself some democrat votes! Along with McCain, McConnell, and the rest.


And Rand Paul can go fuck himself.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (buZ/8)

248 Peaches - It's an NC inside joke. The French Broad river: http://tinyurl.com/nemlp72

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (1Mxs7)

249 oh, sure, blame it on your fuckin' colon, DC!  I'm sorry, I truly am.  Don't mind me laughing my ass off, it's not you, I swear!!!

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (8lmkt)

250 Crap! Where's the news of this bombing stuff? My wife's seeing it on Twitter. Drudge and Fox are sleeping. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 08:51 PM I'm missing it too, thunderstorms are raking N IL and our new tv is not getting reception. Old one crackled like popcorn this morn, before the storms, and died. Only maybe 5 or 6 yrs old. We got a new 32" LG for $228, is that a decent price, seemed like it when we looked around a bit?

Posted by: Farmer at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (o/90i)

251 If you're on twitter and you're not currently reading @SCOTUSBlog's timeline, you're missing one of the most epic things ever.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (GEICT)

252 Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 09:51 PM (hlksw) Any chance of contacting airline or kicking off anti-theft/find-me features?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (0NdlF)

253 Naive is believing the GOP is going to do anything, in spite of the evidence of the past fourteen years. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk


After this cycle I may never vote GOP again....they sure as fuck ain't getting my vote for free.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077


You replace this old country club blood in the primaries.  Not in a race against a democrat.  It will take time.  It took time for the GOP to go off the rails and it will take time to get them back on the rails.  A lot of time and money has been wasted with national tea party groups sending out direct mail and paying themselves big salaries.  Is that your new team?  You start trying to build a Tea Party and you'll see it get fucked up fast.  There are too many opportunist weirdos already stinking up the joint.  Name a tea party leader.  You can't because there aren't any that aren't off a bit.  The tea party ideas are great but the republican party is just sitting there all organized and in desperate need of a ground up restoration and that's a lot easier than starting from scratch.  Priebus has to go.  Rove is a pussy.  Has to go.  You get rid of those TWO fuckers by not donating and knocking their guys out of the primaries for a few cycles and they start to pay attention.  People stayed home when Romney ran.  Did they get THAT message?  Fuck no.  It will take some time and whining that it didn't happen over night is not the way to get a damn thing done.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (MNq6o)

254 Voter mom, I read it at BB website, I'm still outside trying to remove hundreds of spent Rose blooms! I'm not kidding, I came to get more tissues because today allergies are making me cry too.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (gjOCp)

255 I'll say it again: Cochran's was a pyrrhic victory. Let him reap what he has sown.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 04:55 PM (8MjqI)

256 "What happened in Mississippi is vile. Completely and totally vile. An ( R ) after a name isn't a magic cloak that protects against consequences."

This.

My own message to the GOPe and the Barbour Shop is simple.

I don't need to to go to the trouble of supporting and voting Republican in order to be subjected to baseless accusations of racism. Democrats have that beat covered quite well, thank you. That new trick of yours is an old trick of theirs. They will continue to baselessly call me a racist no matter what. Even if I just sit home in November and whistle and whittle.

The question is, why in the world should I come vote for establishment GOP candidates if they're going to pull out the same dishonest garbage as Democrats do? Including the baseless accusations of racism? What's in that for me again other than frustration and anger?

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 04:55 PM (noWW6)

257 Later alligator.  The Nazi's on some channel are calling.  That or Diver Drive In and Diners.


It's a tough choice.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:55 PM (0FSuD)

258 One ranter was talking about separation of church and state ... I don't know how she thinks that means government needs to force Hobby Lobby to pay for birth control - but hey. Who needs Reasons? Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 09:52 PM (0NdlF) They believe that you only act on your "church" beliefs in church. The other 6 3/4 days of the week, you should behave as society deems you should, particularly the progressive, hollywood, popular type behavior. Oh, and never be judgemental. Judging any behavior as wrong or bad is bringing your church stuff into daily life and forcing it on others.

Posted by: Jen at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (3PBRb)

259 253

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 09:51 PM (hlksw)


Any chance of contacting airline or kicking off anti-theft/find-me features?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 09:54 PM (0NdlF)

 

Man this airline is awesome.  They give away the greatest stuff!

Posted by: Some kid with a brand new iPad at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (zt+N6)

260 Old one crackled like popcorn this morn, before the storms, and died. Only maybe 5 or 6 yrs old.

always unplug your shit when you're not using it.  I do.  oh, wait, no i don't.    $228 for a 32" is dirt cheap.  go for it.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (8lmkt)

261 I was amused by the fact that the SCOTUS voted 5-4 against the union thing..., but NO dissenting opinion. I mean, really? Not even one? I figure that the dissenters couldn't think of an argument that would not be laughable. Disingenuous shits.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (1Mxs7)

262 I'll say it again: Cochran's was a pyrrhic victory. Let him reap what he has sown. Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 09:55 PM (8MjqI) Yeah, BC, you really need to slap your cousin at the next family reunion.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (dMSj2)

263 Perfectly said, Brandon.  Hear, hear. 

Posted by: Apollo at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (+G/YX)

264 Funny you mention Supreme Court justices, when Cochran is "owned" by the Democrats and McConnell - best-case scenario - will be relying on Cochran's swing vote. And when there were over a dozen fellow Republicans in the Senate who went all-in for Cochran. It will be Not A Hill To Die On, and We Have To Get A Republican President In 2016. PS: Buzzion? Glad to have you on board. Given how unhappy you were when I didn't vote for the guy who demanded in the debates to arm the Syrian opposition in '12... you know... the opposition which is now a caliphate.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (3kZUM)

265 Tough talk, couch potato. Obama loves your style.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:40 PM (MNq6o)


And the GOPe loves yours, honeybunch. Posted by: Harrison Bergeron

Ted Cruz is still in the GOP.  And you like Obama more?  Eat Obama's dick.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (MNq6o)

266 The Whig party ceased to exist as a political force within an 8 year time span, with 1850's technology in communication. The Two Political parties have shown AGAIN, that they will band together to destroy any outside threat... just as the did against Ross Perot and the Reform party... IMO they are too legally entrenched... the Political Class too powerful, for any 'insurgency' to work... they literally hold the Legal Framework of Elections in the palm of their hands... Its time for the Republicans to go the way of History... and for a Conservative / Libertarian small Government party to come to the fore... because the Republicans have proven ineffective at Governing... It was only 8 years ago that there was a Republican House, Senate, and President.... where they GREW the Government... Sooo... just how many chances are we supposed to give them? Albert Einstein... insanity quote...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (84gbM)

267 Well, first I have to pass blanket amnesty because Congress is too lazy and has constitutionally given up their right to say anything about it. And now that SCOTUS is on vacation until October, I can move all of these cases through that they've moved too slowly on. By shirking their duty they've relinquished the Superior Court to me. Moi.

M-O-I.

I think I need to change the official language of the US to French.
Unless of course you're Hispanic. I need to help them keep their culture intact.
But "Me" will do in a pinch until I pass law.
I love the sound of that - me. Me me me me me. I, I, I, I. Me-e-e-e-e.
I actually say ME-chelle, have you noticed?
Of course you have, you hang on my every word.

I married Michelle because she looks like me from behind.

Posted by: Preznit Constitutional Scholar and Lawyerly Lawyer at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (7HjKx)

268 263 I'll say it again: Cochran's was a pyrrhic victory. Let him reap what he has sown. Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 09:55 PM (8MjqI) Yeah, BC, you really need to slap your cousin at the next family reunion. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:56 PM (dMSj2) Oooh...I believe that is crossing a line.

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (doBIb)

269 Bwahaha, the @SCOTUSBlog thing is hilarious!

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (0NdlF)

270 IF that walking around money is true, Cochran and his staff should be transitioning to a new career of making license plates.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at June 30, 2014 04:58 PM (bCaR9)

271 254 Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:54 PM (MNq6o)

I volunteered for Bush the elder when I was 16 years old.

I have called thousands of voters and I have never put my loyalty to "the tea party" above the GOP prior to now.

I will never wrap my head around the GOPe fans DEMANDING conservatives hold their fucking nose and pull the lever for every goddamned moderate candidate under the sun and then getting their Dick DICK Lugar and Eric "am I mickey?" Cantor butthurt on....

it's all good babe....you got me more one cycle if Boehner keeps his word on Choom King's Amigo Grande....

but as God is my witness I will never pull the lever for the GOP after 2014 if the motherfucking assholes can't at least pander to my small government, free market preferences with the verve and aplomb Cochholster race-baited and pandered to the MS NAALCP.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:58 PM (T6Jz2)

272 You replace this old country club blood in the primaries. Not in a race against a democrat. Thad got democrats to vote in the primaries. Your way won't work. "We must defeat Hated Enemy at all costs, even when our candidate used Hated Enemy to win the primary" is not a convincing argument. I'm not a member of the Republican Party. I'm a member of the TEA party. I owe the GOP nothing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (uhAkr)

273 Dang At HA there was article that led to Daily Beast & I wouldn't read it. Stu Stevens wrote about how he got Cochran to win. Stevens was one of Romney consultants, I believe.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (gjOCp)

274 Good grief...the stupidity on twitter. We're gonna collapse in on ourselves from it. So many dumb people on parade.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (v0/PR)

275 Yeah, BC, you really need to slap your cousin at the next family reunion. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 09:56 PM (dMSj2) I swear...by Grabthar's hammer...by the suns of Worvan.......I....WILL......END YOU.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (GEICT)

276 I'm sorry I didn't watch 24 from the beginning of the series. Donald's boy is good.

Posted by: Bronko J. Hendrix who has casts to prove it at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (ahBY0)

277 >>>Any chance of contacting airline or kicking off anti-theft/find-me features? Did the former. Can't do the latter without the serial number, which I somehow neglected to bring with me to western Kentucky. Plus, I don't want to brick it until I'm sure it's gone for good.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (hlksw)

278 If you decry and punish the lesser evil to the advantage of the greater...you're losing.

You, of course, know that I have no love for the Establishment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 08:56 PM (GEICT)


As opposed to losing if we vote straight ticket R?


Right. Excellent strategy.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (Vzxhp)

279 who is brandon finnigan?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (u8GsB)

280 You replace this old country club blood in the primaries. Not in a race against a democrat. It will take time.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:54 PM (MNq6o)

Tried that. They imported democrats to defeat conservatives. Surrendered the farm to do so.

At this point fuck them.

It took time for the GOP to go off the rails and it will take time to get them back on the rails. A lot of time and money has been wasted with national tea party groups sending out direct mail and paying themselves big salaries.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:54 PM (MNq6o)

Well that's nice. How about all those conservatives who donated to the NRSC and other orgs only to have these same orgs use THAT MONEY to make racebaiting statements, radio ads, and flyers AGAINST conservatives?

Priebus has to go. Rove is a pussy. Has to go. You get rid of those TWO fuckers by not donating and knocking their guys out of the primaries for a few cycles and they start to pay attention. People stayed home when Romney ran. Did they get THAT message? Fuck no. It will take some time and whining that it didn't happen over night is not the way to get a damn thing done.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:54 PM (MNq6o)


Not if they learn that all they need to do is just team up with democrats every time when things get dicey. You have to take heads now or you are teaching them that they can get away with this shit.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (buZ/8)

281 "Corporate Caliphate". Interesting how the left uses words without meaning to trigger emotional reaction. Like American Taliban.

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (0NdlF)

282 Oooh...I believe that is crossing a line. Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 09:57 PM (doBIb) Were I capable of human emotions, I may have felt slightly bad after posting that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (dMSj2)

283 I consider myself halfway between a RINO and a Tea Partier. I believe in conservative principles, but I understand the need for compromise in politics. Having said that, if I were a MS voter I would write in McDaniels. No way would I reward Cochran with my vote. The GOPe's behavior was so egregious they must be taught a lesson, and if that causes in the loss of control of the Senate, so be it.

Posted by: biancaneve at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (6Turu)

284 Canada has a new, vibrant conservative party in charge. The UK has a new, vibrant conservative party coming to the fore. It can work. It has worked in other places.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (uhAkr)

285 280 who is brandon finnigan? Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 30, 2014 10:00 PM (u8GsB) AKA CAC.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (v0/PR)

286 Ted Cruz is still in the GOP. And you like Obama more? Eat Obama's dick. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:57 PM (MNq6o) This is the sort of thing people say when they have no argument, and they know it.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (eAJwE)

287 SCOTUSblog has to be stopped. Scalia is destroying the country.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (2aOF9)

288 273 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 09:59 PM (uhAkr)

Oddly Dang, Jwest, Mau Mau, JackStraw et al do not want to get the message....

it is a GOP fucking primary even if it is open you do not go outside the fucking party to secure the nomination and then expect unity.

Cochholster may as well have gone and pandered to the fucking Communist Party of Mississippi and they elected Jackson's mayor.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (T6Jz2)

289 Hinds county has Connie Cochran (sister in law) as an election commisioner who was talking with the Hinds Dem Chair on committing vote fraud (allowing crossovers) along with Pete Perry Hinds GOP Chair. Who was recently arrested for committing a DUI on Sat.

Barbour's PAC gave him 60,000 dollars for his consulting company.

Hinds county. Thanks for all the clarifications.


Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (LZKvb)

290 Wanna get high?

Posted by: Towelie at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (Y6xQZ)

291 I swear...by Grabthar's hammer...by the suns of Worvan.......I....WILL......END YOU. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:59 PM (GEICT) No one cares what you think, Trekkie.

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (0NdlF)

292 280 Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 30, 2014 10:00 PM (u8GsB)

Some geo-synchrous orbital platform that posts star porn

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (T6Jz2)

293 I swear...by Grabthar's hammer...by the suns of Worvan.......I....WILL......END YOU. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:59 PM (GEICT) *ponders* Worth it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (dMSj2)

294 Didn't read all the comments, but...

RINO!!!!!

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 05:03 PM (hO9ad)

295 >>>Man this airline is awesome. They give away the greatest stuff! Posted by: Some kid with a brand new iPad at June 30, 2014 09:56 PM (zt+N6) I will give you five hundred internet bucks to not send my browser history to Cougar. Also, enjoy the pictures of my schwantz.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 05:03 PM (hlksw)

296 Brandon Finnegan is CAC? But CAC is Scottish, not Irish.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 05:03 PM (2aOF9)

297 ah CAC

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 30, 2014 05:03 PM (u8GsB)

298 Were I capable of human emotions, I may have felt slightly bad after posting that. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 10:00 PM (dMSj2) What emotions are you capable of? How do chocolate-covered Samoyeds make you feel?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:04 PM (0NdlF)

299 277 I'm sorry I didn't watch 24 from the beginning of the series. Donald's boy is good. Posted by: Bronko J. Hendrix who has casts to prove it at June 30, 2014 09:59 PM (ahBY0) --Alas, I missed it tonight, and not sure if I an catch it next week, but it's been much better than the last 3 seasons of the original show. I think making it just 12 hours has made it tighter, with little room for filler.

Posted by: logprof at June 30, 2014 05:04 PM (Y6xQZ)

300 I rescued a bunch of frogs today. A few still with tails when I had to turn them out of the pool. They seemed grateful. Hoping they consume their weight in mosquitoes every few days until it's time for the big sleep.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2014 05:04 PM (ZshNr)

301 Agreed Brandon Finnigan, the let it burn crowd are pathetic traitors.

Posted by: DrewM sux at June 30, 2014 05:04 PM (88OyH)

302 AKA CAC.

Posted by: Tami at June 30, 2014 10:01 PM (v0/PR)

jeebus, I must be on the short bus tonight, I had no idea.  he irked the living crap outta me when I emailed him about doing some fuckin' returns watching . . . srsly, if anyone's old enough to remember, it was like on PeeWee's playhouse when the traveling salesman came by.  and now this?  fuck it, I'd rather just drink and smoke and watch tv and go to bed early.

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 05:05 PM (8lmkt)

303 Thad got democrats to vote in the primaries. Your way won't work.


Watch.  Cochran's win was rotten and it will be thrown out.  They are showing it was a rotten election.  Shit!  I'm just as pissed but you need to hurt the fucking moderates - as is being done to Cochran and that other fucker who's fucking name I can't even fucking remember now.  We fucking took down the fucking speaker!!!!!!  Have some fucking patience!  We are on our way.  Fuck this shit.  I'm going to watch tv with the family.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 05:05 PM (MNq6o)

304 I promise the formation of a new party A third party, the Wild Party! I know we have problems, We got problems right here in Central City, We have problems on the North, South, East and West, New York City, Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, Everybody has problems, And personally, I don't care.

Posted by: Chad Thockmorton at June 30, 2014 05:05 PM (xWXYN)

305 *ponders* Worth it. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 10:02 PM (dMSj2) Very well. Death by spiders it is.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 05:05 PM (GEICT)

306 No one cares what you think, Trekkie. Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 10:02 PM (0NdlF) God that's funny. Ohhhhh doglets!

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 05:06 PM (dMSj2)

307 302 Agreed Brandon Finnigan, the let it burn crowd are pathetic traitors. Posted by: DrewM sux at June 30, 2014 10:04 PM (88OyH) Wrong. It's been established in this very thread that we are, in fact, whiny bitches.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:06 PM (eAJwE)

308 302 Posted by: DrewM sux at June 30, 2014 10:04 PM (88OyH)

Yeah so you'll support the GOP in closing their primaries like the Democrats have in most states or going back to delegates right?

Ah no...of course not the RINO all-stars get to get their alinsky on for intra-party warfare and then suck the donkey dick in the General ala Romney....

got ya champ.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:06 PM (T6Jz2)

309 302 -

Socking the Cobs will get you banned here. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 05:07 PM (PEb5B)

310 308 Why not both???

Posted by: MAx at June 30, 2014 05:07 PM (b7yum)

311 Ted Cruz is still in the GOP. And you like Obama more? Eat Obama's dick.
Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 09:57 PM (MNq6o)


This is the sort of thing people say when they have no argument, and they know it. Posted by: Harrison Bergeron

Changing the subject or ignoring an argument.  Proof you are a lib.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 05:07 PM (MNq6o)

312 Agreed Brandon Finnigan, the let it burn crowd are pathetic traitors. I'm not an American anymore. I'm getting bazillion citizenship.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 05:08 PM (2aOF9)

313 311 Posted by: MAx at June 30, 2014 10:07 PM (b7yum)

Yes we're whiny ass loser nihilist bitches....

we should nut up like Lugar and Cantor...

maybe get Peruvians to vote for us in the primaries.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:08 PM (T6Jz2)

314 I watched "The Parent Trap" remake with a very young Lindsay Lohan last night. It could be argued that it is better the original. Natasha Richardson was every bit as becoming as Maureen O'Hara. The Brian Keith role was easily filled. ( I always thought he was acting like John Wayne). Did anyone notice that the original role of the woman with "electric hips" was played by "Vicky", Joanna Barnes? She reprised the role as Vicky again as the mother of the young woman vying for the affections of the young man.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 05:08 PM (V70Uh)

315 Domenech's observation about the left / right populist strain against corporatism over there ---> (well, metaphysically over there, since, the sidebar's only accessible via main page) I didn't get a chance to mention this on the book thread, but Ralph Nader's made exactly the same point. He sneered at "National Review" as corporatist (because he's too smug to read Jonah Goldberg), but he gave at least one kind word to the Tea Party which he recognises as anti-corporatist. I quit scanning when I saw the National Review bullshit, but I gotta give credit to the nod at the Tea Party.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (3kZUM)

316 Changing the subject or ignoring an argument. Proof you are a lib. Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 10:07 PM (MNq6o) Sorry. There was no argument there to ignore.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (eAJwE)

317 I like CAC, I like meatball, not so sure on this Finnegan character.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (HVff2)

318 I'm not an American anymore. I'm getting bazillion citizenship. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 10:08 PM (2aOF9) Isn't that next to Peruvia?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (0NdlF)

319 Socking the Cobs will get you banned here. He added "sux." You can sock a cob if you add sux.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (2aOF9)

320 Very well. Death by spiders it is. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 10:05 PM (GEICT) So mean to me, particularly when I've done nothing to you. For certain values of nothing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (dMSj2)

321 Oh sweet, still some folks that think the GOPe is going to block SCOTUS nominees *IF* they retake the Senate.

By the way, the First Amendment ensures that I can bitch as much as I want if I decide not to reward these shitstains with my vote. Not voting is just as valid as voting. You want to vote and expect something different despite all historical trends to the contrary? Knock yourself out.

The logic that says abstention means I have no right to complain also works the other way: you have no right to bitch about the leftward slide of the country since you enabled it.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (V8EAH)

322 @28: "If you sit on the sidelines, you have no right to bitch about the outcome."

Fuck that noise.  Government derives its legitimacy from the consent of the governed.  If you participate, you consent; hence, you legitimize, and you legitimize all of it.  By playing the game, you implicitly agree that everyone's unalienable rights are, in fact, quite alienable; that everyone's money and property are not, in fact, theirs; that everyone's very life is forfeit, if enough others band together and say so.

Or, pace Michael Collins: "Our only weapon is our refusal."



Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (jnG1p)

323 We fucking took down the fucking speaker!!!!!! I believe you mean we took down the House Majority Leader, Eric Cantor. John Boehner won his primary handily, after his primary opponent was mysteriously fired when he made an ad against John Boehner.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (uhAkr)

324 319 Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 10:09 PM (0NdlF)

Bazill is next to Peruvia and GetOnATamalia where all them kids are coming from...

//Tarde Nugglett

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (T6Jz2)

325 300...I don't care much about most shows but I have been impressed, when I remember to watch. It is tight, now that you mention it...it bang, bangs in one than one way. Commercials fuck it up.

Posted by: dumbartist at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (ahBY0)

326 So mean to me, particularly when I've done nothing to you. For certain values of nothing. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 10:09 PM (dMSj2)

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (GEICT)

327 Scottish, Irish, Scandi; who cares

Posted by: Ulster and the Border Reavers at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (3kZUM)

328
who is brandon finnigan?
Posted by: phoenixgirl




Someone who thinks you should vote R no matter what, then engage in the Sisyphean labor of trying to claw the party back between elections.

All while he spends his free time dicking around with his Celestron, looking into women's apartments.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (kdS6q)

329 Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 30, 2014 10:08 PM (V70Uh Maureen O'Hara= Goddess

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (HVff2)

330 >>>For certain values of nothing. I'm beginning to think AmishDude has a point.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (hlksw)

331 Socking the Cobs will get you banned here. Posted by: BurtTC -------------------- I swear, I did NOT sock a cob.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (1Mxs7)

332 Must second the SCOTUSBLOG reference. conservatives need to do stuff like this more often. The lib hysteria and snark responses is life affirming. Serious you guys.

Posted by: Goldilocks at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (GxNMV)

333 304 Thad got democrats to vote in the primaries. Your way won't work.


Watch. Cochran's win was rotten and it will be thrown out. They are showing it was a rotten election. Shit! I'm just as pissed but you need to hurt the fucking moderates - as is being done to Cochran and that other fucker who's fucking name I can't even fucking remember now. We fucking took down the fucking speaker!!!!!! Have some fucking patience! We are on our way. Fuck this shit. I'm going to watch tv with the family.

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 10:05 PM (MNq6o)


I live in fucking WA state. I know about the need for compromises. This was a dirty vile "win" for Cochran who used donor money to illegally pay voters. He used donor money to smear the conservative base of the republicans in MS.


Anyone who votes for him supports his actions. That is the take away from this. That is what THEY will take away from this. He wins and it is OPEN SEASON every primary where the incumbent is down. They will just smear conservatives and import democrats to beat them.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:11 PM (buZ/8)

334 I think making it just 12 hours has made it tighter, with little room for filler.

The running joke over the first seven seasons was that if they ever just let Jack do what he wanted, they'd have to call it '12'

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 05:12 PM (hO9ad)

335 328 Posted by: Ulster and the Border Reavers at June 30, 2014 10:10 PM (3kZUM)

Scottish, Irish, Scandi...

I'm the one with the fifth and a gun....

//Sgt M Reynolds

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:12 PM (T6Jz2)

336 Not voting is just as valid as voting. It certainly is. I've always supported the idea of having "None of the above" on every ballot. If they'd do that, I'd keep voting.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:12 PM (eAJwE)

337 Ulster and the Border Reavers, by the way, opened for the Dropkick Murphys in 1986. I'd tell you the town, but it was destroyed in the riot

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 05:12 PM (3kZUM)

338 I'm beginning to think AmishDude has a point. Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (hlksw) I would tread very very carefully there. Dangerous ground.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (GEICT)

339 ****pokes head in**** And it's the weekly RINO death match at the Hq

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (3bqlh)

340 333 Must second the SCOTUSBLOG reference. conservatives need to do stuff like this more often. The lib hysteria and snark responses is life affirming. Serious you guys. Posted by: Goldilocks at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (GxNMV) Almost makes me think a Moron is running that account. That's some Grade A snark.

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (doBIb)

341 I'm beginning to think AmishDude has a point. Indeed.

Posted by: Wm. Shakespeare at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (2aOF9)

342 320 -

He added "sux." You can sock a cob if you add sux.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2014 10:09 PM (2aOF9)




--------------------------------


Heh, so he did.  I missed the sux part. 


Alright socker, carry on. 


Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (PEb5B)

343 It certainly is. I've always supported the idea of having "None of the above" on every ballot. If they'd do that, I'd keep voting. Posted by: Harrison ------------------ With the exception that 'none of the above' doesn't go to Washington and determine the country's future.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (1Mxs7)

344 It certainly is. I've always supported the idea of having "None of the above" on every ballot. If they'd do that, I'd keep voting. Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 10:12 PM (eAJwE) None of the Above is functionally equivalent to All of the Above absent rules for disqualification. (ex 50% NOTA wipes slate for new candidates)

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (0NdlF)

345 I'm going to go ahead and still hate the party.

...I've touched the stove often enough, thank you very much.

Posted by: Slapweasel[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (lq3Ak)

346 >>>I would tread very very carefully there. HAH! Lawyered! By the by, I'm sure there is no risk at all in opening that large box that FedEx sends you tomorrow. No risk at all.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 05:15 PM (hlksw)

347 I swear, I did NOT sock a cob. Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (1Mxs7) ... or cob a sock?

Posted by: CM at June 30, 2014 05:15 PM (0NdlF)

348 I'm beginning to think AmishDude has a point. Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (hlksw) It's adorable that you think I may grant you the sweet release of death for that. By the by, technically? Assigning value to an identifier is not a legal technique.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (dMSj2)

349 Not voting is just as valid as voting.

It certainly is. I've always supported the idea of having "None of the above" on every ballot. If they'd do that, I'd keep voting.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 10:12 PM (eAJwE)

well, lucky for you, you can just hang out in mommy's basement for the rest of your pitiful life. 

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (8lmkt)

350
What the post and some commentors don't get is, the GOP  has already left you.  Its not about you leaving them, they have decided to replace you with more malleable people and as far as they are concerned if you still vote for them, the mores the better.  But you get nuthin'.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (JE/wX)

351 (ex 50% NOTA wipes slate for new candidates) Agreed. Another way to handle that is to give each party the option of running the same candidate again or selecting a different candidate.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (eAJwE)

352 Save yourself Finnegan Get out of politics in general and out of "partisan politics" in particular That way ...lies..... madness

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (Zz48T)

353 Oh sure play by the rules, Roberts Rules of Order, while we are getting our posteriors shot off not only by the Democrats but by 'mainstream' Republicans.  Sorry, that ship sailed long ago and got sunk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 30, 2014 05:16 PM (mqL8z)

354 With the exception that 'none of the above' doesn't go to Washington and determine the country's future. You don't have to go to the empire's capital to determine your nation's future.

Posted by: Michael Collins at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (3kZUM)

355 318 I like CAC, I like meatball, not so sure on this Finnegan character.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 10:09 PM (HVff2)


He got all uppity ever since he started posting at the Federalist. I swear, even the plaid maps have a sneery blue blood look now.


They don't even blow the margins anymore.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (buZ/8)

356 I'm going to go ahead and still hate the party.

...I've touched the stove often enough, thank you very much.

Posted by: Slapweasel at June 30, 2014 10:14 PM (lq3Ak)

no shit

Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (8lmkt)

357 322 Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 30, 2014 10:09 PM (V8EAH)

You get the gag BTW...

you know why Obama is unimpeachable?

Eric "My People" Holder which the GOP overwhelmingly confirmed....

you know why the SCotUS reads in part like it was written to be read by Corky Thatcher?

B/C Susan "Wise Latina" Stotomayer was confirmed with overwhelming GOP support....

see liberals must be correct....or allowed to be assholes but the McCain gang and main GOP caucus can't bother to be bothered by leftist ideologues in heat....

the end result is Charles Schumer picks GOP and Democrat nominees.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 05:18 PM (T6Jz2)

358 Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 10:12 PM (eAJwE) well, lucky for you, you can just hang out in mommy's basement for the rest of your pitiful life. Posted by: Peaches at June 30, 2014 10:16 PM (8lmkt) It's amazing how prescient you guys are. First I'm a whiny bitch, then I'm a lib, and now I live in Mommy's basement.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:18 PM (eAJwE)

359 Anyone who votes for him supports his actions. That is the take away from this. That is what THEY will take away from this. He wins and it is OPEN SEASON every primary where the incumbent is down. They will just smear conservatives and import democrats to beat them. Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (buZ/ **** The GA GOPe noticed this "win" and are already going this route in the runoff for Kingston. All MS taught them is that recruiting Dems and smearing Conservatives worked for Cochran.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 30, 2014 05:19 PM (ojnk6)

360 Votes, or "no-votes" have no penumbra. The only message they send is the gross total.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2014 05:19 PM (ZshNr)

361 ONT.

Posted by: EC at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (doBIb)

362 I remind of the Buckley Principle. Vote for the most conservative person on the ballot. Worst case, you are better off than you will be otherwise. Case in point: Romney vs. OBlamer. That is the reality of it. Elections are not about your principles, they are about who is going to occupy the office.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (1Mxs7)

363 344 It certainly is. I've always supported the idea of having "None of the above" on every ballot. If they'd do that, I'd keep voting.
Posted by: Harrison
------------------

With the exception that 'none of the above' doesn't go to Washington and determine the country's future.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 10:14 PM (1Mxs7)


Can we also get Generic Republican that always does so well against Democrats?

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (buZ/8)

364 356 -

Those  aren't margins.  That's a top hat  and spats. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (PEb5B)

365 359. No, you have to add them up like this: you're a whiny lib bitch who lives in mom's basement Now get your box, my shoes are going to shine themselves

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 05:21 PM (3bqlh)

366 I'm in Texas and I will vote against that bitch-ass John Cornyn. I couldn't even name who is running against him, but I had a but full of his ads saying "I stand up against Barrack Obama everyday!" More like bends over forward for him. Incumbents need to go unless they really work for us.

Posted by: Dogbert at June 30, 2014 05:21 PM (+TZLk)

367 "Here's what is certain: you won't mount any if you walk away." Like Hell. We'll have all of them. It'd be sweet, wouldn't it, if we just agreed that honest elections and representative governments was on a slate of "Maybe" up there with "No bailouts" or "World Peace" that we might, maybe, get if we had both House, Senate, White House, Supreme Court, the UN, all 5 networks and Klaatu on the National Mall... Yeah let's just labor in the gutter, collaborating, accepting political corruption as the price of democracy, and taint ourselves in the eyes of the noncommitted and the next generation. "But, if it was WRONG, why did you HELP?" Honest people can have a good faith disagreement if we see actual political corruption here. I have to admit that. But if you acknowledge that's what's going on, and it's not just lately, then, you have an obligation to destroy it. Not work from within to hope that the whirlwind of public opinion allows you to avoid confronting it. We have an obligation to destroy it, saying all the while the Good that we seek. And maybe Good won't win overnight. Probably not. But it remains Good. It attracts people. And our enemies, branded as Bad, chronic losers, won't endure. Maybe we won't win control of the Republican Party, but we can see it dwindle to the level of the Green Party, denied votes, denied donations, denied airtime. And that's enough, as the Good march past it and organize some other way. We don't HAVE to have a Republican party.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (HZLYB)

368 Nope. Too late for that. R party has made their position perfectly clear, they want nothing to do with me and my kind. Furthermore, the feeling is mutual. Still further, the name republican has been poisoned beyond recovery. Third, fourth, or fifth party, I don't care, only gonna vote for people I agree with, or at minimum, who don't make it clear with every word they utter or gesture they make that they hate me and want to destroy me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (fvjb1)

369 >>>It's adorable that you think I may grant you the sweet release of death for that. Yeah, yeah, just like a hundred other gingers before you. You refuse to offer me sweet release. Wait, death? That wasn't exactly the sweet release I was referring to. Need to be more clear when making wishes.

Posted by: DC in Airports and Hotels at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (hlksw)

370 Quite often I see the notion expressed that if you don't vote you have no right to bitch. Fuck that. No where in the Constitution does it state that the right to free speech is only granted to those that vote. My wife abstains for personal reasons but her right to call Obama, Brian Schweitzer, and the mayor of Seattle a bunch of shit eating dogs is as valid as anyone else's. Try to remember that the next time you want to muzzle someone. As to the subject of the moment, I think I was taught that lesson in PoliSci 101 35 years ago. It was valid then, and still is today.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (qJC/1)

371 360 Anyone who votes for him supports his actions. That is the take away from this. That is what THEY will take away from this. He wins and it is OPEN SEASON every primary where the incumbent is down. They will just smear conservatives and import democrats to beat them.
Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (buZ/

****

The GA GOPe noticed this "win" and are already going this route in the runoff for Kingston. All MS taught them is that recruiting Dems and smearing Conservatives worked for Cochran.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 30, 2014 10:19 PM (ojnk6)


DUH. I don't understand why this is like rocket science for some people. Why wouldn't they do this now? If you won't do anything to stop them beating your ass every day then they are GOING TO KEEP ON DOING IT.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (buZ/8)

372 363 -

Buckley is dead.  So is the party he supported. 

Both  seem to have died around the same time, interestingly  enough. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (PEb5B)

373 The Enemy is one thing, but traitors are worse. Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 08:54 PM (Vutl+) Thank you. If I'm gonna get fucked over, I prefer it to be by the enemy. Nothing worse than a traitor.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (Dz7yD)

374 So the other takeaway message of the MS runoff is this:

Anyone with any modicum of historical smarts knows that when democratic countries get to the level of open vote-buying and vote-selling, it is a definitive diagnostic sign that the country in question is boned. Destined for failure and collapse. The forecast calls for pain.

So the good ole boys at Haley's "Barbour Shop" are sitting there grinning like jackals and knocking back whiskey and congratulating themselves on their big win, and figuring that the rest of us will just resignedly keep on keeping on as usual.

Frankly, with it clear that BOTH duopoly parties in America are now endorsing vote-buying to stay in power -- that model that has worked such a treat in the Third World -- I am getting less and less inclined to keep on keeping on as usual.

And more and more inclined to shift to _sauve qui peut_ mode. Withdrawing from politics and hunkering down and bracing for impact.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 05:23 PM (noWW6)

375 "I remind of the Buckley Principle." Worked great up to 1980something. Limped along up to Scott Brown's victory. That was B.C., Before Cochran

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 30, 2014 05:23 PM (3kZUM)

376

Nope.  Not doing it again.  The structure in the GOP is specifically engineered so that what is being proposed here will NEVER happen.

 

Better to just burn down the GOP and build a new Party in its place.  Insurgents do *that*, too.

 

FWIW, I am not going to be voting for Thom Tillis in North Carolina, considering what the GOP-E did in Mississippi. 

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 30, 2014 05:23 PM (U+vgB)

377 Oh hell Peaches...party up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtYCDKWrvA

Posted by: dumbartist at June 30, 2014 05:24 PM (ahBY0)

378 We JUST FUCKING TRIED to oust the "old blood" in a primary, and we got buttfucked by our own people, who sold out to the fucking Dem parasites, in order to hold on to their power. Now we're supposed to forget it ever happened, and try again next time. Charlie Brown and the football. Fuck that.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at June 30, 2014 05:24 PM (Q3tFF)

379 366 359. No, you have to add them up like this: you're a whiny lib bitch who lives in mom's basement Now get your box, my shoes are going to shine themselves Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 10:21 PM (3bqlh) You forgot "pathetic traitor." But then, so did I.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 05:25 PM (eAJwE)

380 365 356 -

Those aren't margins. That's a top hat and spats.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2014 10:20 PM (PEb5B)


LOL

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:26 PM (buZ/8)

381 380 That'd be John "Hey Fonda! I can take photos with the enemy too!" McCain.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 30, 2014 05:27 PM (HZLYB)

382 People have short memories. Pissed about Mississippi. Ready to quit because of a loss. Were you saying the same thing acter Cantor was served a shit sammich?

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 05:28 PM (qJC/1)

383 _sauve que peut_ is bloody right.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 30, 2014 05:28 PM (fvjb1)

384 Next thing you know this guy will be trying to tell us that a giant rock is a work of art.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 30, 2014 05:29 PM (29vnO)

385 Has anyone posted this? http://gotnews.com/

Posted by: Loye at June 30, 2014 05:29 PM (Z8ZOY)

386 It's proof of Cochran's camp buying votes.

Posted by: Magnolia at June 30, 2014 05:30 PM (Z8ZOY)

387 Election turnover imminent if true and Cochran will be disqualified (From Redstate):

Is doesn't take a genius to figure out that $15 in an envelope with a flier telling you who to vote for might fit into the definitions laid out in MS Code § 23-15-561 (2013).

The statute goes on to note a fine of $5000 and a prescription for candidates found guilty of engaging in any of the above schemes.

(3) Any candidate who shall violate the provisions of subsection (1) of this section shall, upon conviction thereof, in addition to the fine prescribed above, be punished by:
(a) Disqualification as a candidate in the race for the elective office; or
(b) Removal from the elective office, if the offender has been elected thereto.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 05:32 PM (buZ/8)

388 Someone who thinks you should vote R no matter what, Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 10:11 PM (kdS6q) I did not say this anywhere in the post. I argued conservatives need to aggressively continue their push and not let a loss distract them from their goal. Just giving up is foolish. Hone your craft in the primaries, get more wins, and keep pushing your way through the party until it is yours, hence the old boss/new boss line. The whole damn point of this was to encourage further agitation and usurpation, not a) walking away mad or b) bending over.

Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at June 30, 2014 05:32 PM (0xW+x)

389 386 Has anyone posted this? http://gotnews.com/ Posted by: Loye at June 30, 2014 10:29 PM (Z8ZOY) Nothing to see here, wingnut.

Posted by: Haley Barbour, Republican Strategist at June 30, 2014 05:33 PM (eAJwE)

390 Prine, Billy Bob, Andy and Iris...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5axlwCBXC8

Posted by: dumbartist at June 30, 2014 05:34 PM (ahBY0)

391 Cantor lost fair and square. Brat hasn't been accused of facilitating voter fraud to steal his win. On the other hand, McConnell and just about every establishment incumbent has won pretty handily without resorting to the tactics of Cochran. This is more than a slap in the face, this is a shot in the back.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at June 30, 2014 05:36 PM (Q3tFF)

392 It's also on RedState.

Posted by: Magnolia at June 30, 2014 05:39 PM (Z8ZOY)

393

What good, exactly, did taking over the GOP for conservatives in Utah and Virginia?  In the former, the Old Guard is talking about having an open primary to oust Mike Lee after the conservatives used the existing party rules to get him in.  In Virginia, Can'tor's crew fucked over his district party real good after the voters threw him out, and this was after Can'tor's crew manipulated the rules to get their people into the district-level leadership specifically to oust the conservative insurgents.

 

Fuck it - it's time to end the party, and that involves actually making the TEA Party Movement an actual party. There will be at least 6 years of pain, and given the Combined Free Shit Army (both personal welfare and corporate welfare) is an absolute majority, we probably will fail, but the GOP El Partido Republicano Legado needs to go.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 05:40 PM (o44nj)

394 Then shoot back at the next opportunity. Walking away gets you what? Answer--Hillary Clinton and a Democratic senate.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 05:40 PM (qJC/1)

395 Is this the Sybil War thread ? Lots of me are asking for lotsa friends.

Posted by: seamrog at June 30, 2014 05:42 PM (Bo4mL)

396 There's plenty of D's pissed at O'Barky because he isn't liberal enough for them. Funny thing is they aren't talking about splitting the party, forming a new one, and guaranteeing defeat to their cause. Why are we quitting over a loss? Cuz we need instant gratification?

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 05:47 PM (qJC/1)

397 Look, Republican Party. I will make this simple. You want any prayer for my vote? Well, you remember all those things that Weren't The Hill To Die On? Find that fucking hill. Soon.

Posted by: jaed at June 30, 2014 05:48 PM (C40z/)

398
I did not say this anywhere in the post.....
Posted by: Brandon Finnigan



Oh? Shall we take a specific case?

Septuagenarian logrolling befuddled Mississippi Senator. Cochran won his run-off with wads of money from Team Republican bagmen, passed along to Black Democratic middlemen to hand out as walking around money.

Choose one of the following:

1. Vote for Cochran.
2. Don't vote for this office.
3. Vote for another candidate as a protest.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 05:48 PM (kdS6q)

399 Because Dems don't shoot their nominal allies, they buy them off. Something that we're supposed to be above. Naive, I realize.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at June 30, 2014 05:50 PM (Q3tFF)

400 No one expects it, but it looks more and more like the John Galt path is the only road back to normalcy, and it will be ugly beyond description So in the upcoming MS election, what would be the Galt path? Write in McDaniels or vote the Dem and make it a really RESOUNDING defeat for the GOP Establishment? I think the resounding defeat is the only thing that would make them even blink, and even then they will lie to themselves and say it was not their fault My mind is made up on the path to go, looking for Galt's Gulch on the map and making the plans to escape soon Save yourselves, my Brothers and Sisters, see you on the other side probably sooner than we all think Oh by the way did I tell you that I was a Who is John Galt spare tire cover on a Jeep in the visitors lot at work last week? Independence Day is coming, and I will drink a glass in to honor you all

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at June 30, 2014 05:54 PM (Zz48T)

401 "The whole damn point of this was to encourage further agitation and usurpation, not a) walking away mad or b) bending over."

Guess it failed on both counts, then.

Perhaps if it had been accompanied by a plaid map...

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 05:55 PM (noWW6)

402 Something we're supposed to be above? We're talking politics in Mississippi, not high tea at the preachers house. I suggest you consider that fact.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 05:56 PM (qJC/1)

403 Wrong. It's been established in this very thread that we are, in fact, whiny bitches.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 30, 2014 10:06 PM (eAJwE)

Can't it be both?

Yeah so you'll support the GOP in closing their primaries like the Democrats have in most states or going back to delegates right?
got ya champ.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 30, 2014 10:06 PM (T6Jz2)

Yes, I support that. What I don't support is you pissing away the goft that was given to you by better men than yourself by tossing your toys out of the crib because you haven't been given everything you want by the efforts of other people. Get that, champ?

Posted by: DrewM sux at June 30, 2014 06:02 PM (88OyH)

404 Tunder-boomers here in N. Illinois. We are being punished for allowing a com-muzzie to use the area for a base. Thor, please direct toward D.C. That's where he hides now. Posted by: seamrog at June 30, 2014 09:44 PM You must not be far from us here in Dixon. All''s quiet now but I think there's more to come.

Posted by: Farmer at June 30, 2014 06:06 PM (o/90i)

405
Or, more specifically a race that you'll actually have to vote on:

With the help of Team Republican donations to massively outspend his conservatish opponent, along with Our Kind of People endorsements from the people who have Mitt Romney's cellphone number, Neel Kashkari is the Republican nominee for California Governor.

Kashkari is a former Goldman banker who enthusiastically ran the TARP program as W's appointee.  Kashkari is left on all social issues, pro-abortion, pro-gay everything and so on. He also voted for Obama in 2008 and still defends that vote because, as he says, Obama had the best economic advisors.

Choose one of the following:

1. Vote for Neel Kashkari
2. Don't vote for this office.
3. Vote for Jerry Brown

Under California law, you may not vote 3rd party or write-in in the final election.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 06:06 PM (kdS6q)

406 Lol. Thad Cochran, the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks, Mr. Washington. So, if I gather correctly, if McDaniel manages to prove voter fraud and have the election overturned, you "shut-up-and-line-up" types will be behind him 100 percent, right? I'll believe that when I see it.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at June 30, 2014 06:08 PM (Q3tFF)

407

There's plenty of D's pissed at O'Barky because he isn't liberal enough for them. Funny thing is they aren't talking about splitting the party, forming a new one, and guaranteeing defeat to their cause. Why are we quitting over a loss? Cuz we need instant gratification?

 

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 10:47 PM (qJC/1)

 

Because the basic groundwork and trends favor them. Would the average Rat of 1978 feel more at home in the Rat Party of today or El PRL of today?  In fact, in some respects, El PRL is more liberal than the Rats were in 1978.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 06:12 PM (o44nj)

408 What will it matter to you? You took your football and went home cuz somebody pulled your jersey just as you were about to score a touchdown.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 06:13 PM (qJC/1)

409 Trends favor them because they never fucking quit. Never. Perhaps there's a lesson in that.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 06:17 PM (qJC/1)

410

So, if I gather correctly, if McDaniel manages to prove voter fraud and have the election overturned, you "shut-up-and-line-up" types will be behind him 100 percent, right? I'll believe that when I see it.

 

Posted by: Biff Boffo at June 30, 2014 11:08 PM (Q3tFF)

 

Of fucking course not.  Just like in Nevada in 2010 and Indiana in 2012, we will work to get the Rat elected just so we can continue to control the minority half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government and feed at the trough.

 

OINK!

Posted by: Your NRSC betters at June 30, 2014 06:18 PM (o44nj)

411

Trends favor them because they never fucking quit. Never.

Perhaps there's a lesson in that.

 

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 11:17 PM (qJC/1)

 

Why do you think I said it is time to end El PRL? They fucking quit against their partners in the PIG every fucking chance they fucking get.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 06:20 PM (o44nj)

412 The major defect in the "stay and fight" strategy is that if the "insurgents" refuse to support nominees not of their own wing, then even if they ultimately "win" control of the party, there is no reason to expect the former majority to support the new majority's nominees, either. Political parties traditionally had wide ideological diversity. Over the last half-century, there has been a shake-out. It's more evident in the Democratic Party than the Republican, but no Republican wins being "pro abortion" unless it is in a specific district in a blue state. The experience of the Goldwater Rebellion is germane. Conservatives won with a scorched earth policy, alienating much of the rest of the party, which deserted him in the general. It was another four cycles before Reagan was able to put together a winning coalition - but he didn't do it with conservatives alone. People tend to forget that.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 30, 2014 06:23 PM (QIQ6j)

413

Posted by: Adjoran at June 30, 2014 11:23 PM (QIQ6j)


So the new majority in the GOP is a democrat-GOP alliance against smaller government, for welfare, and for demonization of conservatives?


GFY.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 30, 2014 06:27 PM (buZ/8)

414 People also tend to forget that Republicans and conservative Democrats elected a Republican president twice after Goldwater lost and before Reagan won. Yep, he sucked but he was better than McGovern.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 06:28 PM (qJC/1)

415

Posted by: Adjoran at June 30, 2014 11:23 PM (QIQ6j)

 

When, exactly, has the Establishment backed an "insurgent" since 1980?  WHEN?

 

They sure as fuck aren't backing them now.  They aren't even backing those who going into the primaries were candidates backed by everybody (cough...Tom Cotton...cough).

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 06:29 PM (o44nj)

416 And why the fuck should I back a party that is perpetually less than 3 election cycles behind the Goddamn Rats in philosophy?

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 06:31 PM (o44nj)

417
The experience of the Goldwater Rebellion is germane. Conservatives won with a scorched earth policy, alienating much of the rest of the party, which deserted him in the general. It was another four cycles before Reagan was able to put together a winning coalition
Posted by: Adjoran



Reagan actually had a shot at winning in one cycle.  He was a late entrant in 68 as an "anybody but Nixon" candidate from the right.  Won more votes than Nixon, with the California Big Casino, but fewer delegates because of the old primary system.

Had he got in earlier.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2014 06:32 PM (kdS6q)

418 Posted by: Drumwaster at June 30, 2014 09:06 PM (K6BSx) ^^^ What that guy said. Every fucking word.

Posted by: holygoat at June 30, 2014 06:32 PM (m/qx5)

419 1. Vote for backstabbing, spendthrift Republican who calls you racist. 2. ??? 3. Liberty!

Posted by: holygoat at June 30, 2014 06:38 PM (m/qx5)

420 I guess you guys could vote for the Ron Paul du jour. Again. Not many others will, and you'll lose...but you'll still have your principles in tact. That's something, I guess.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 06:41 PM (qJC/1)

421

I guess you guys could vote for the Ron Paul du jour. Again. Not many others will, and you'll lose...but you'll still have your principles in tact. That's something, I guess.

 

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 11:41 PM (qJC/1)

 

Given, by 2020, the PRL candidate will sound like Teh SCOAMT circa 2008, and Hitlery will have fully-implemented Communism,....

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 06:44 PM (o44nj)

422 You can't win if they've rigged the game.

THIS is what is bothering everyone.

THIS is why people are going to walk away.

The only way to win a game you can't win is to not play.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 30, 2014 06:56 PM (JS0vr)

423 Was the game rigged for Cantor? Was the game rigged for Ted Cruz? I can never tell. Enlighten me.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 06:59 PM (qJC/1)

424

CAC...this thread might've been better received if you'd waited a while.

People are still feeling raw from the butt-reaming that Cochran did last week.

 

I'm the most reasonable and patient person that I know.

And even I feel outraged at what Cochran and Co. did in Mississippi.

 

I see where some in the GOP are saying...
"But Reagan got Dems to crossover and vote for him! This is no different!"

 

Wrong.

Dems voted for Reagan because they agreed with his vision of prosperity for the country.

 

Cochran violated Reagan's 11th Commandment:

'Thou shalt not speak ill of your fellow Republicans.'

 

And Cochran even went further than that...he unleashed the Dogs of War on his own party.

Those dogs will bite not only him, in November, but other R's as well.

 

The racial bullshit that he used will not die away quick enough for it to not affect his own election...or the other R's in MS elections this year.

That is unforgivable.

 

The GOP establishment should be kicking Cochran and Barbour to the curb over this.

The fact that they *aren't* brings shame on the whole party.

 

The GOPe are the ones who have taken their 'eye off the prize'...not those of us who are disgusted by this.

 

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 07:07 PM (AYolx)

425 wheatie, I can appreciate and agree with everything you say, but that doesn't mean I won't be there for the next election trying to get the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning elected. Sometimes we win, sometimes not...but we don't quit because what's at stake is worth too much.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 07:24 PM (qJC/1)

426 The GOP is not an opposition party. It is a substitution party.

Posted by: eman at June 30, 2014 07:36 PM (MQEz6)

427 Let's look at a little recent history. 1996- insurgent conservatives gain a majority in both houses of Congress. Very shortly thereafter they are stabbed in the back by Bob Dole. Who was rewarded with a Presidential bid. The rationalization was that we needed to control the Presidency before we could make any new changes. 1998-Sitting President Bill Clinton is caught red-handed perjuring himself. Abuse of office is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Most Republican Senators refused to vote for impeachment. 1999-Moderate Republicans force the resignation of Speaker Gingrich. 2000-Republicans briefly control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. First item of business: nationalizing the education system with a bill co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy. Rapidly followed by a bailout for the steel industry, and a massive pile of pork in the agriculture bill. The Department of Homeland Security was established. The TSA was established. And the PATRIOT Act was passed. No government agency was cut or eliminated. Regulations continued to be issued as a breakneck pace. 2002-Republicans hold both houses of Congress and the Presidency, for real this time. Major focus of the Republican party? Expanding Medicare. No government agencies were cut or eliminated. New regulations continue to multiply. 2004-Republicans still hold all the levers of power. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. 2006-Republicans lose control of both houses of Congress, largely due to corruption. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. TARP. Massive outlay for infrastructure after Minneapolis bridge collapse. Porkbusters established in outrage. 2008-Republicans lose the Presidency as well. And fall all over themselves rubber-stamping Obama's political appointees, despite a large number of obvious concerns. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. Obamacare enacted. Several Republicans vocal about wanting to play along if only the Democrats will provide them political cover. Democrats decline. Massive payout to Democratic constituencies under the guise of "stimulus". Tea Party established. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. 2010-Conservative insurgents sweep the primaries. The Republican party actively sabotages some of their campaigns, and refuses to support others. Republicans take the House. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. 2012- Romney selected as Republican Presidential nominee. Romney loses the election to an opponent who had been publicly displaying incompetence for four years. Loss blamed on establishment figures who imploded, but who are retroactively labeled as Tea Party. Government continues to grow. No agencies cut or eliminated. Regulation continues to increase. Government shutdown, in which government officials are often photographed acting like jack-booted thugs. Republicans in the House temporarily push through a slight decrease in the rate of the federal government's growth. Then gave it back with nothing to show for it. 2014-The Republican party spends more money and effort fighting off conservative insurgents than it often spends in general elections. Many of these campaigns were extremely dirty. Including, but not limited to, getting opposition candidates fired from their jobs, character assassination, and smearing Republican primary voters as racist. We've been making "the long march" through the Republican Party since at least 1964. That's 50 years. In all that time, when has the Republican party held firm and actually reduced the size and scope of the federal government? It's a rhetorical question, obviously. They never have. And this shows absolutely no signs of changing. Another fun fact about 2014. It'll be the first time I ever pull the lever for a worthless $$&(ing Democrat. Mike Simpson can kiss my ass. I'd rather have an honest enemy, than an "ally" certain to betray me.

Posted by: Luke at June 30, 2014 09:46 PM (6ll7b)

428 The problem with this rhetoric is that EVERY time the Establishment loses in a Primary: New Hampshire, Alaska, Mississippi Part 1, they pull this stunt of sabotaging the election on the base. They have the doners. They have the ad buys. No one wants their candidates, but they can lie about all the others with impunity. It's a "Big Tent" for the Establishment, but sabotage the Tea Party candidates at every turn is A-OK. No consequences for THEM. That's 'inclusive' and 'electable.' Bottom line: We don't have a Two Party System now. We have a One Party System, with two groups pacifying different groups of lobbyists. And it's not going to change from within. Not while they have the money. To the people who keep saying "Fight from within," I ask this question: "How much longer until it's reached the definition of insanity?" We've been trying this since Bush Part 1 now. I've gone past young Republican to middle-aged conservative. Nothing's changed. Oh, we celebrate the occasional election win. But the new people are 90% the same as the ones we ran out. The problems are the same. Terminal Incumbency, the Revolving Door Lobbyists, Lack of Accountability. How many more years is enough? How many more Bushes and Romneys, Lindsays, McCains, Cochrans, and Boehners are we supposed to outlast? We oust Cantor, only to get a MORE statist Majority Whip in his place. Tell me which part of this is a responsive government. One more General Election? Three? Please tell me. Because I'm getting old, and it looks pretty much like Sisyphus from where I'm rolling this boulder. Tell me how much longer before your optimism is insanity.

Posted by: Shawn at July 01, 2014 02:18 AM (/lltO)

429 This entire post is nonsense. The same nonsense always pushed by GOP apologists. Summarizing the "thinking" in the post, it argues that no matter what, you must always vote GOP in the election. So, just because conservative efforts to move the GOP rightward have utterly failed in the last 20 years (the GOP is left of where it was in 1992, and is much. much more openly disdainful and antagonistic to conservatives and conservatism then it ever was), you must always vote GOP in the general election because, well - just because. You see, the argument goes, if you don't vote GOP then something, something and something else. Because of course, the GOP is our only hope. and if we don't vote GOP then the GOP won't be the GOP and we might not "win" elections. So, as the post suggests, just keep fighting in the next election and the next election and the next election ad nauseum, because that will keep you occupied and appeased and allow the GOP to continue on doing exactly what it wants to do anyway. It is a sham people. The GOP exists solely to give conservatives and right-leaning LIVs enough skin in the game to keep us appeased and quiet, while the GOP and DNC work together to continue to expand gov't, increase spending, and generally ignore the constitution. The GOP is the problem. It is not the solution. This inane poster's argument is that if we just keep voting GOP in each general election, eventually, despite all evidence to the contrary, the GOP will do something conservative. How about, if we sit out an election en masse, the GOP will be faced with a true decision - either act in line with your promises and alleged principals, or die a quick death? All of you GOP apologists who believe we are going to get a different result by doing the same thing each and every election (vote GOP no matter what) are either incredibly dishonest, or incredibly ignorant. The only way to potentially move the GOP rightward in our lifetimes is to put the fear of losing every election into them. the only way to do that is to sit out an election and let them lose - even in very red districts. That way, they will realize that conservatives aren't the idiots they believe we are, that we will not condone their deceit and leftism. Otherwise, each vote we cast for the GOP does just that, condones their deceit and leftism. The GOP does not fear a handful of insurgent primary campaigns every cycle. They know a) they will win 75% of them based on money, name recognition, and dirty tricks; b) even if they don't win, the conservative, if elected, won't be able to do much against the weight of the full leftist GOP; c) 50% or better "conservative" primary challengers can be co-opted to become moderates or spineless by the GOP. So, good luck with changing the GOP through primaries - as the original poster implies (because he knows this is true) it won't change the GOP and you will be doing it at the next election, and the next, and the one after that ad nauseaum and will get where we are - with the GOP farther left than when we started. It is time for conservatives to wake up. The GOP is not a conservative party. It is a shame. It is nothing more than a vehicle for big-gov't types to keep conservatives placated into thinking our efforts have some meaning.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 02:48 AM (3ZtZW)

430 The experience of the Goldwater Rebellion is germane. Conservatives won with a scorched earth policy, alienating much of the rest of the party, which deserted him in the general. It was another four cycles before Reagan was able to put together a winning coalition Posted by: Adjoran Complete straw-man. First, Goldwater did not run a scorched-earth campaign. As always, the media was completely biased and advocated against him rather thean reporting. Second, the GOP itself was against Goldwater, which of course, hurt him. Regardless, there is a huge difference between arguing for the type of "scorched earth" campaign that you disingenuously argue against, and pointing out that the GOP is not remotely conservative, was never conservative, and hates conservatives. This idea that standing up for any conservative principal is "scorched earth" or "purism" is dishonest, stupid and self-defeating. If you truly believe that a) conservatism can't win and b) any attempt to be conservative whatsoever equals "scorched earth", then why are you here? What is the point of you pretending to be conservative? I'm sick of alleged "conservatives" equating the GOP with conservatism and pretending that any attempt to escape the plantation is betrayal. These GOP apologists are the same as the liberals who castigate any blacks who dare to challenge liberal orthodoxy. Your argument is essentially that GOP = conservatism (not matter what the GOP actually does) and that we are somehow obligated to support the GOP no matter what. And that any deviation from supporting the GOP is "purism" that must be destroyed. GOP apologists are not conservative. They are merely tribal thinking people who have decided that the GOP is their tribe and that they must support their tribe no matter what. they are unable and unwilling to think beyond the GOP, or consider any tactic or strategy that does not include blind allegiance to the GOP. the success or failure of the GOP has no real bearing on the success or failure of conservatism. Indeed, the GOP is currently a far bigger obstacle to conservatism than the DNC. Open enemies are easier to defend against than double-agents like the GOP. The GOP subtly (and not so subtly) undermines any effort to pursue conservative policy goals. That harms conservatism worse than open hostility from the left, which can be fought openly and debated openly. When the GOP undermines conservatism, that cannot be done because the undermining is hidden and dishonest, or gives power to the left - when a bunch of GOP senators and congressmen call conservative Senators "loons", it delegitimizes conservative positions and arguments in the eyes of LIVs. this is worse than Harry Reid calling a conservative a loon, because people expect that and know it is partisan. When McCain does it, people assume that because McCain is a republican calling another republican a loon (with the full backing of the GOP establishment), it must be true. So, the GOP hurts conservatism worse than the left does. It is the GOP that needs to be defeated. Then we can build anew. Until the GOP establishment is thoroughly dealt with, we have little chance of achieving anything.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:02 AM (3ZtZW)

431 Another fun fact about 2014. It'll be the first time I ever pull the lever for a worthless $$&(ing Democrat. Mike Simpson can kiss my ass. I'd rather have an honest enemy, than an "ally" certain to betray me. Posted by: Luke at July 01, 2014 02:46 AM (6ll7b) My suggestion to all conservatives is to go ahead and vote GOP in local and state elections, but refuse to vote at all (or vote for any non-GOP conservative 3rd party candidate) in federal elections. That way, the GOP will have real numbers of conservatives who refused to vote GOP in the federal elections and it won't be easy for them to rationalize the defeats as anything other than a boycott by conservatives. That leaves the GOP with a choice - move even further left and try to compete with the Dems for leftist votes, or actually act in accordance with what they say during primaries, campaigns, fundraising and party platforms (i.e., move right). the worse that happens is the GOP admits it is leftist and gives up the pretense of being conservative. the idea that not winning a GOP senate majority this year is some huge loss is inane. A GOP senate majority will be as worthless as the GOP house majority we've had, as worthless as having both the house and senate was between 2000-2006. It won't do anything conservative and will likely do leftist things. I'd rather move the party rightward at this juncture then give the GOP a majority that accomplishes no conservative goals and instead further expands gov't and spending. But, I actually care about achieving some conservative goals more than "winning" this or that immediate horse-race. Some people can only see the horse-race aspect of politics and believe that an "r" winning an election is somehow a victory for conservatism.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:09 AM (3ZtZW)

432 The solution here is a strong McDaniel write-in effort in the general election. That's how Murkowski kept her seat. It can be done. McDaniel isn't that hard to spell.

Posted by: Emily at July 01, 2014 03:16 AM (7Rn+/)

433 Most of my friends are self identified"conservative rebublicans". About half are like me and are fed up with the likes of McCain, McConnel and Cochran. The other half suported Cochran because he is in line to head appropriations and because he brings lots of federal dollars to the state. Posted by: Hammer at June 30, 2014 09:26 PM (5buGz) that second half are not conservatives. There are plenty of "conservatives" who are only conservative until push comes to shove, then they reveal themselves to be the gov't teat sucking leftists they truly are. If you vote based on what you are getting from the gov't - you are not remotely conservative. Not even close. Farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, etc., are all part of the problem. Far too many "conservatives" rationalize to themselves why their pork is not bad. As long as we condone these people, conservatism cannot win. Because, the various different pork factions will always join together to trade votes to protect each other's and their own pork. And, of course, such rank hypocrisy is easy fodder for the left to claim racism. "Why, you are fine with gov't spending on mohair subsidies but passionately against more funding for inner-city schools. That can only be because of racism". but, these idiot "conservatives" won't give up their gov't teat, just like a leftist won't give up their own.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:16 AM (3ZtZW)

434 The solution here is a strong McDaniel write-in effort in the general election. That's how Murkowski kept her seat. It can be done. McDaniel isn't that hard to spell. Posted by: Emily at July 01, 2014 08:16 AM (7Rn+/) I'm not against the effort, but doubt very much it could work for a McDaniel's victory. Murkowski had huge name recognition amongst LIVs and brought tons of pork to Alaska. McDaniel doesn't have state-wide name recognition among LIVs, and won't bring in pork.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:19 AM (3ZtZW)

435 By the way, go reread the comments in this thread. People are openly advocating for the Rs to lose and the Ds to win. I guess I'll see you in the camps. Or in the ditch. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 30, 2014 09:25 PM (GEICT) because if conservatives sit out one election to prove a point to the GOP it equals the end of civilization. I guess the commenters who are suggesting such a thing are drama-queens while you are just reciting clear reality? Of course, you starting assumption is that we owe our votes to the GOP and that a GOP victory = a conservative victory. Nothing like a GOP apologist who will never, ever hold the party accountable for anything. But we are the bad guys. Interesting.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:22 AM (3ZtZW)

436 Who is Thad Cochran's democrat opponent? I'm sending a check to him/her.

Two can play this game, bitches.

Posted by: Fen at July 01, 2014 03:24 AM (1OMtW)

437 The biggest point to take from Mississippi is that it is a seat the GOP would win pretty much no matter who the candidate is. So, with that as your basis, in theory the GOP establishment shouldn't really care whether or not the candidate is a solid conservative or not (of course, I would argue that the GOP should want a conservative candidate, but for the sake of argument, let's say that doesn't have to be the case). The fact that the entire GOP establishment had a collective freak-out that a conservative might win the primary, and the entire GOP establishment went all-in to defeat that conservative candidate in the primary proves pretty conclusively what the GOP as a whole feels about conservatives and conservatism. McDaniel isn't a "whack job" and his conservatism wouldn't lose a competitive seat for the GOP, as argued in, for instance, Castle v. O'Donnell. So arguments about "we need a moderate to win this seat" are unavailing. there was no reason for the establishment to freak-out except for the fact that they did not want a conservative to win. No, what we have here is a very clear picture on what the GOP establishment truly thinks of conservatives and conservatism. And yet, many erstwhile conservatives keep pedaling the same argument that we have to support the GOP in November no matter what.

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 03:28 AM (3ZtZW)

438 You never know whose head you'll get to mount on a stick, that's the uncertainty. Here's what is certain: you won't mount any if you walk away. (Oh, and apologies to Jello Biafra for bastardizing his quote, but the spirit is the same.) Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at 08:41 PM Entirely wrong. If conservatives walk away, and Thad Cochran loses, we have mounted his head on a stick. If conservatives boycott the next federal election, and a number of GOP incumbents and challengers lose, each of their heads is on the stick. If conservatives boycott the next federal election, and the GOP does poorly, causing members to get rid of Boehner and McConnell as leaders - we'll have their heads on a stick. And so on and so on. Your entire premise is based on simplistic two-dimensional thinking - that our only option is to support the GOP. Yet, there are more ways that that to achieve results. Refusing to support the GOP until the GOP moves rightward is a valid tactic that you simply ignore, because as a GOP apologist it does not accomplish your goal - which is to get conservatives to vote GOP no matter what. I'm getting very tired of GOP apologists who pretend to be conservative. this is "mobyism" writ large. You are, at best, a concern troll, telling us how concerned you are that if we fail to vote GOP, we somehow won't achieve our goals. When in fact, the opposite is likely more true. Refusing to vote GOP until the GOP moves rightward is far, far more likely to get results than your plan (which again, is vote GOP no matter what).

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 04:02 AM (3ZtZW)

439

I'm not against the effort, but doubt very much it could work for a McDaniel's victory. Murkowski had huge name recognition amongst LIVs and brought tons of pork to Alaska. McDaniel doesn't have state-wide name recognition among LIVs, and won't bring in pork.

 

Posted by: monkeytoe at July 01, 2014 08:19 AM (3ZtZW)

 

Plus, Murkowski had the support of the "Republican" establishment, while McDaniel doesn't and won't.

Posted by: steveegg at July 01, 2014 04:58 AM (o44nj)

440 Where's DrewM when you need him?

Posted by: Minuteman at July 01, 2014 05:22 AM (HKyCl)

441

Where's DrewM when you need him?

 

Posted by: Minuteman at July 01, 2014 10:22 AM (HKyCl)

 

Getting stomped by Gabe.

Posted by: steveegg at July 01, 2014 05:25 AM (o44nj)

442 "5 People also tend to forget that Republicans and conservative Democrats elected a Republican president twice after Goldwater lost and before Reagan won. Yep, he sucked but he was better than McGovern. Posted by: fairweatherbill at June 30, 2014 11:28 PM (qJC/1)" And why is it that people tend to forget a guy who won two elections? Because he cheated to win, and, his policies were crap.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 01, 2014 07:54 AM (HZLYB)

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