June 27, 2006

Don't Forget This
— Ace

The notorious discussion in which Mike Wallace declared that a true reporter could not warn a group of troops he was embedded with of a coming attack on them that they would otherwise be surprised (and killed) by.

Because there is not only no higher status than "reporter," but not even other obligations that compete with it (such as patriotism or even mere respect for human life).

As Football Fans For Truth concludes in disgust:

They actually believe this shit. Life is just another episode of Lou Grant.

Posted by: Ace at 05:09 PM | Comments (36)
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1 Yeah I included that gem in my media bias finale. It's classic, the soldier's reaction is classic too "I always knew you guys were like that." For these guys reporting the news is a higher calling than being human.

We all know the reports where some well-dressed, well fed guy is standing by people who clearly need help and food, giving his news report without lifting a finger. Of footage filmed by some reporter who could have helped but didn't so he could get the film.

These guys lose a sense of what it means to be responsible citizens when they get this involved in a story. They ignore the damage they can and will do, all for getting that story. And that's the goal, that's the justification, their end: getting the story.

To that end, anything is fine, it's moral pragmatism at it's finest: any means to an end.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2006 05:22 PM (Pwzb0)

2 Why is his son, Chris Wallace, so normal?

Posted by: shawn at June 27, 2006 05:24 PM (lwPIs)

3 Lou Grant?!? How old do ya' think we are anyway? Sorry got to go Mattlock is on TNT!

Posted by: Outlaw13 at June 27, 2006 05:27 PM (WYw2o)

4 Is it any wonder that the MSM is held with such contempt anymore. Mike Wallace is a smug POS..

Posted by: Stillers at June 27, 2006 05:32 PM (blNMI)

5 Humanity is the higher calling, this shit is truly contemptuous.

Next time you see a reporter, esp. NYT's, kicke 'em in the nuts. Hard.

Hey, you're just exercising your right to free speech/dissent/frustration at the NeoJoocons, etc., etc. ad really fuckin' nauseum.

Icepick the Mad!

Posted by: Icepick the Mad! at June 27, 2006 05:38 PM (sPfbv)

6 You know, Harris, and I think Gallup and other pollsters, conduct these annual polls on Confidence in Institutions.

Every year, the military comes out on top. The press is always down there near the bottom, competing for last place with Law firms, Congress, and labor unions.

I wonder why?

Posted by: stace at June 27, 2006 05:40 PM (A56/D)

7 How about you publish Bill Keller's home address, phone number, what his wife drives and where his wife drives, the age of his kids and the schools they attend?

You know- in the public interest.

Posted by: drjohn at June 27, 2006 05:45 PM (Bglwi)

8 Because there is not only no higher status than "reporter," but not even other obligations that compete with it (such as patriotism or even mere respect for human life).It's worth considering that Wallace made his remarks from the security of the United States. People hold themselves up as belonging to a higher class when they feel secure; when they feel insecure, they reduce the grandeur of their own claims and have greater respect for the claims of others. I don't have a program to offer for taming "journalists" and making them good citizens; however, I do have a principle, which is that they must learn fear.

You and I fear an enemy that we think may actually destroy our way of life. Highly placed "journalists" appear not to have much fear of that enemy. It seems that when we are choosing the persons on whom we will rely for their observations and analyses, we must find those who love and fear the same things we do--or who can persuade us reasonably to love and fear the same things they do.

Posted by: Kralizec at June 27, 2006 05:48 PM (gHR/6)

9 That was about the time i started recommending that anyone in the military that see's anyone that looks or smells like a reporter on the battlefield shoot the sucker at first opportunity. They are more dangerous to an american soldier than any other enemy. Just be careful and do it in a crossfire or use an AK-47.

Posted by: Scrapiron at June 27, 2006 06:11 PM (wKh5O)

10 Well, Kralizec, how about we embed him right alongside those soldiers, give him a helmet and let's see how he thinks about his reporter status if he finds out about an enemy action that is getting ready to kill him, too.

Betchas he sings in three keys at once.


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Posted by: The Machine at June 27, 2006 06:14 PM (L/jMX)

11 What if a Journalist was covering the bad guys and overheard how they were going to ambush the New York Times Building? Hey, you're a Journalist... cover the story!!!! Don't warn them, even though they are your fellow Americans.

These guys are idiots and this true story tells you all you need to know about them.

Posted by: MagicalPat at June 27, 2006 06:15 PM (fhkva)

12 The notorious discussion in which Mike Wallace declared that a true reporter could not warn a group of troops he was embedded with of a coming attack on them that they would otherwise be surprised (and killed) by.

I guess Ernie Pyle wasn't a "true reporter" then. Sick, isn't it?

Posted by: Redhand at June 27, 2006 06:15 PM (7G9b2)

13 On the other hand, if they found out the D-Day plans today they'd print them, with responses by German commanders about how underhanded it is, and likely illegal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 27, 2006 06:25 PM (Pwzb0)

14 "that see's anyone that looks or smells like a reporter on the battlefield shoot the sucker at first opportunity. "

-no "death to journalists". Ace of spades lifestyle no longer permits the bashing of homo's or death threats to jono's. It is acceptable to laugh at their misfortune, criminal charges (innocent or not, they are guilty if it sells Viagra) and hate them. If a jono happens to pass away "in the line of duty" it is not acceptable to laugh, mock, make light of or exploit the death (even though the average jono is thinking pulitzer when they see a dead american). It is still acceptable to laugh at the "died in the line of duty" tribute that they will show on the next episode.

Posted by: new moderator at June 27, 2006 06:30 PM (wFBkf)

15 "That was about the time i started recommending that anyone in the military that see's anyone that looks or smells like a reporter on the battlefield shoot the sucker at first opportunity."

I wouldn't go that far, there are some good reporters out there these days. Micheal Yon and Bill Roggio come to mind. Both have written some excellent pieces and are very supportive of the military.

Posted by: Moose at June 27, 2006 06:53 PM (3btGz)

16 When I tell a woman that I don't like, but I REALLY wanna fuck, I might make her think I loved her, without ever saying that. I would let her believe it, just so I could nail her.

Thats how I view leftist patriotism. They just whanna get some from America, no matter what they make america believe along the lines. Only the left is willing to outright lie.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 06:54 PM (QTv8u)

17 I saw this panel discussion when it first aired. Pardon my profanity, but you really have to have watched it to understand what a complete fucking tool Wallace was. It wasn't just the words, but his delivery.

I shit you not: when Colonel George Connell gave his response Wallace actually smirked.

It was the kind of smirk that said "I can't believe how amusing these fucking poltroons are." It was the kind of smirk that begs to wiped of one's face by the harshest means available.

And the real pisser here is that Wallace's ENTIRE FUCKING CAREER rested on his injecting himself into every fucking story he ever did.

I mean, shit, if I recall correctly, the scenario presented by the moderator (I'm trying to recall something I haven't actually seen in over 15 years) involved nothing more than the journalist making a phone call without the real possibility of getting caught. It was a free fucking ride.

But American troops just don't rate the same on Wallace's "what equals 'coverage' today?" chart as little old ladies getting scammed by dishonest mechanics, apparently, so, as Kos would no doubt have said, fuck 'em. The troops, that is, not the little old ladies, although ya wouldn't have put it past Wallace to have done just that if he could have gotten a good seven minutes of "coverage" out of it.

Bastard.

Posted by: ccwbass at June 27, 2006 08:18 PM (PHaXK)

18 If they aren't citizens, strip them of benefits. The UN can pay their pensions.

Posted by: Aaron at June 27, 2006 08:23 PM (2jUYl)

19 Okay. Pretty much reached my "fuck" limit on that last comment, but the topic "Mike Wallace Is A Tool" kinda does that to me. Sorry for the tantrum.

Posted by: ccwbass at June 27, 2006 08:36 PM (PHaXK)

20 The exchange is available as video on demand at http://www.learner.org. (You have to register)Search for Ethics in America. Click on Under Orders, Under Fire Part II. While the entire show is worth watching, you'll see the exchange starting at about minute 34.

At minute 45:52, Rep. Louis Stokes summarizes the debate: The media has the "problem of trying to set their priorities in terms of whether they are journalists first or Americans first. . . . That is a professional decision they are going to have to come to grips with."

It seems like the NY Times, LA Times et al. have made that decision.

Posted by: rxwhite at June 27, 2006 08:44 PM (y9lOw)

21 This is mos def the paradigm. BTW who's the moderator? Anyone know?

Posted by: rakmjn1 at June 27, 2006 09:20 PM (BvZbS)

22 What do you expect from a lefty working for the enemy? If he was with an American unit setting up an ambush for Soviet troops, he would have ratted us out in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 27, 2006 11:07 PM (M0Kdm)

23 A scenario that isn't much of a stretch: Anyone watched Perverted Justice, I think it's called? Ethically, according to him, the proper thing would be for this reporter to simply watch these men have sex with underage kids, to 'get the story,' instead of getting involved in the sting to arrest them....Ok....noted. I believe, even to members of the press, knowing of a crime and letting it happen is still a crime. Ahh nevermind, don't even know why I'm arguing this point... I feel stupider for even having too....

Posted by: ToughLuck at June 27, 2006 11:18 PM (6NKGp)

24 I knew someone who used to work for a company that tested pacemakers electronically via telephone.

Mike Wallace was one of their customers, and everybody hated his guts. He was unbelievably rude.

"Do you know who I am?"

Manners are for little people.

Posted by: lauraw at June 28, 2006 03:52 AM (HGiJO)

25 Mikie Wallace the lying snake in the grass what a lowlife reptile why dont he just join DAN BLATHER on the UNEMPLOIMENT LINE

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:12 AM (QtdTZ)

26 I remember seeing that, too, ccwbass. I remember the Armey guy (Connel?) looked like he wanted to rip Wallace's head off and said something along the lines of "Are you kidding me?"

Posted by: TC@LeatherPenguin at June 28, 2006 04:32 AM (kd/kM)

27 Ace, David Westin, ABC News, made a similar comment after 9/11 that it was not up to ABC to make the judgment whether the mass murder of 3,000 Americans was right or wrong, just to report the story.

Posted by: bledsoe at June 28, 2006 04:33 AM (c5dyd)

28 And yet, these treasonous, vile, poisonous bastards wail and rend their clothes when it's one of their fellow travelers that gets injured, and rails against the military for not doing more to protect them.

Fuck them.
Right in their wax-clotted, shit-filled ears.

Posted by: CrankyProf at June 28, 2006 04:45 AM (Pt0Hz)

29 Mike Wallace was one of their customers, and everybody hated his guts. He was unbelievably rude.

"Do you know who I am?"


Amazingly enough, John Kerry has a similar reputation in his home.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2006 05:54 AM (Pwzb0)

30 The egos of these MSM people are incredible. They need to get over themselves and realize that the lives of the American people and our soldiers are more important than their story/opinion.

Posted by: K in RI at June 28, 2006 07:32 AM (m0Y8S)

31 Part of the problem is that a lot of these news-reporting bobbleheaded idjits have forgotten that THEY aren't the story. It's become more about how you look reporting than WHAT you're reporting. Wallace is one of the chief offenders. I also blame Dan Blather and his o-so-trendy Safari vest that he wore for every darn out-of-studio report he ever did.

Plus, who remebers "Star Colon Wars : The Search for Katie Couric's Brain?"

Posted by: crankyprof at June 28, 2006 07:39 AM (Pt0Hz)

32 I was at NY Giants game a few years back and sat directly in front of Andy Rooney. He actually yelled at people around him to quiet down throughout the game, because he couldn't hear what the announcers were saying about the previous play on his portable tv.

Ego? Naaaaaaa. Fucking clueless? Naaaaaa.

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