May 30, 2013

Did Todashev Have a Knife When He "Attacked" the FBI Agent? Early Reports Claimed He Did, and Now Sources Say He Didn't
— Ace

Were you kind of bothered by this fact-set? Guy spontaneously confesses to a triple homicide and then attacks three armed persons (FBI agent and two Massachusetts State Troopers) with a knife and is then killed?

Well, none of the following will allay your suspicions.

So, maybe he didn't have a knife.

A local Orlando tv news operation reported:

FBI sources say Ibragim Todashev, a friend of accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamarlen Tsarnaev, was unarmed when he was shot and killed by an FBI agent during questioning at an Orlando apartment last week," says an Orlando television station.

Officials said Todashev pushed a table and possibly threw a chair.

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Sources said a sword was inside the apartment, but the weapon was moved to the corner of the room before questioning began. Law enforcement said when Todashev lunged, the FBI agent believed he could have possibly been going for his gun or the sword in the room, and that's when the agent opened fire.

The Washington Post then reported:

One law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation, said Wednesday that Todashev lunged at the agent and overturned a table. But the official said Todashev did not have a gun or a knife. A second official also said Todashev was unarmed.

An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation occurred.The shooting followed hours of questioning by the law enforcement officials that had begun the night before.

The most recent story, from the Orlando Sentinel, has the samurai sword back in the mix.

Though early accounts from unnamed federal law-enforcement sources claimed Todashev might have been armed with a knife, the latest version, released by a Fox affiliate in Boston, reported that Todashev lunged with a sword at the agent.

Shibly said there was a sword at the apartment, but it was mounted on the wall, ornamental and had a dull blade and a broken handle.

I have no explanations for this. I don't even have a read on it.

Except for this: While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt.

And I don't even mean Scary Conspiracy Theory Corrupt. I mean corrupt as human beings are always corrupt: They screw up, then they lie about it, and then their initial lies spur follow-up lies, and then the whole department realizes that there's a problem with the initial employee who lied and now they all have to lie to "protect the integrity" of whatever.

I don't know if that happened here. The guy could have lunged for the sword, and the FBI agent could have just been a little too quick on the draw. (Or perhaps just in time on the draw. Who knows.)

But whereas before I'd provisionally assume the FBI was telling the truth, I gotta tell you: My working assumption is now that they are lying.

Because that's what they do.

And this is a pretty good reason to keep the government small and weak and then eyeball the hell of it anyway.

Incidentally, it sure would be nice to see photos of the wounds reportedly suffered by the FBI agent, even if the agent's identity continues to be obscured. Surely they can release photos of wounds to the body or arms.


Posted by: Ace at 12:25 PM | Comments (246)
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1 Too much he knew.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (evdj2)

2 at this point, I'm generally surprised that the cops didn't shoot someone. Law enforcement has gotten quite trigger happy these days.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 12:27 PM (QxSug)

3 **And this is a pretty good reason to keep the government small and weak and then eyeball the hell of it anyway.** that's what anti-government forces like you would say, you anti-governmentite. Just for that, we'll have fully militarized SWAT teams "visit" you to ensure that your cable system is up to speed. signed, xxoo libs who luuuuuuv bureaucrat ninjas

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 12:29 PM (QxSug)

4 An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation occurred.The shooting followed hours of questioning by the law enforcement officials that had begun the night before. Patience is a virtue in a hunter, or a professional killer.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:29 PM (evdj2)

5 The Shield IRL? (I know The Shield was based on Rampart, bur only in the loosest sence of the word. Better would be inspired by).

Posted by: Xander Crews at May 30, 2013 12:29 PM (X7MDA)

6 Were they any relation to the FBI agent who signed the Rosen affadavit?

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 12:29 PM (pWeX5)

7 >>>Too much he knew. hey I thought it, I'll cop to that.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (LCRYB)

8 This isn't the FBI guy who was subsequently killed is it?

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (evdj2)

9 "Except for this: While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt." When they say the sky is green for no reason at all their credibility seems to take a hit.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 12:30 PM (fWAjv)

10

Dead Potential Jihadi / Confessed  Murderer / Friend of Tsarnaev?

I'll get over it. 

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (IEgq0)

11 >>>This isn't the FBI guy who was subsequently killed is it? what guy who was killed?

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (LCRYB)

12 >>>Dead Potential Jihadi /Confessed Murderer / Friend of Tsarnaev? right... except... if...

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (LCRYB)

13

So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife?

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (CnFRK)

14 Confessed Murderer So say we all.

Posted by: The Three Living Witnesses at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (evdj2)

15 WTF? So they were questioning him for hours on one hand, and then he happens to have a sword in the other.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 12:32 PM (fWAjv)

16 my problem is that the whole Spontaneous Confession about the triple homicide -- which always struck me as a bit of a "hmmm...." -- looks doubly dubious as it was uttered, we're told, as he drew out a knife, which was not a knife, but maybe was a sword across the room, or maybe was a chair, or maybe was nothing.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:32 PM (LCRYB)

17 what guy who was killed? Wasn't some group from the Boston manhunt killed in a plane crash or something? Honestly, I can't keep my conspiracies theories separate these days.

Posted by: The Three Living Witnesses at May 30, 2013 12:32 PM (evdj2)

18 "a friend of accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamarlen Tsarnaev, was unarmed when he was shot"


Really?  And where was he when all this went down?  Pot head?  Probably.

As far as the agents leaving the room and then the FBI agent shoots the suspect - if you're thinking about taking out an agent or two or three,  you're going to wait until there's only one in the room with you before you make your move.

Posted by: Dang at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (Hx2XA)

19 dammit

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (evdj2)

20 Seriously you guys, at this point, what does it matter?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (YIZv0)

21 So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife?
Posted by: wheatie

Um,  I think they did.

Posted by: Dang at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (Hx2XA)

22 I half expect the coming army of IRS/Obamacare agents to start shooting people who don't pay the correct "tax".

You know the Coward-Piven model of destroying citizen trust in the institutions to crash them? It's working.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (eHIJJ)

23 It was convenient that the other LEOs had "just left the room"

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (e8kgV)

24 First!

Posted by: Joe Biden, Man of the People at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (bJm7W)

25 its like the man in Ft Worth who was killed mon or tues by TWO ROOKIE COPS, who went to THE WRONG HOUSE, in HIS OWN GARAGE.

FTW PD said he refused to drop his weapon, but the man had gone out to see WTF was going on with all the lights in HIS OWN YARD..

Yeah, I trust ALL government.

Bout time you started coming around Ace

Posted by: JarvisW at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (E7Iyp)

26 i suppressed my initial "how convenient" paranoia because there was no reason, apart from a suspicious nature, to suspect; but now, with these changing stories (knife/sword/chair/nothing/oh maybe it was the sword), I do have reason to suspect, and I sort of wonder why I'd suppressed my initial skepticism in the first place.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (LCRYB)

27 This story reads like a bad 40's movie

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (e8kgV)

28





"And this is a pretty good reason to keep the government small and weak and then eyeball the hell of it anyway."


Sure, our trusty GOP idiots will help us out on this.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at May 30, 2013 12:34 PM (raGXo)

29 Excerpted from a story about True the Votes travails: "But Engelbrecht's attorney, Cleta Mitchell, says it's not just the Democratic Party that went after the conservative causes, but also the federal government. Within months of the groups filing for tax-exempt status, Engelbrecht claims she started getting hit by an onslaught of harassment: six FBI domestic terrorism inquiries, an IRS visit, two IRS business audits, two IRS personal audits, and inspections of her equipment manufacturing company by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the U.S. Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and Texas environmental quality officials." What the fuck is the FBI doing making six domestic terrorism inquiries? I'm at the point that I assume government and law enforcement are always lying.

Posted by: boniface ballers at May 30, 2013 12:35 PM (l3RZ9)

30 America was never supposed to be a(n Atheist) police state. (The FBI wasn't exactly part of America's founding or the Founders' vision of what America should be like.) And yeah, FBI agents are just people. Pretty regular people. They're not soldiers or anything else, people's (TV-induced?) confusion to the contrary not withstanding.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 30, 2013 12:35 PM (wjywE)

31 Link to FTW man in my sig..

Posted by: JarvisW at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (E7Iyp)

32
..I have no explanations for this.




Wanna hint?

Posted by: The Branch Davidian Kidz

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (kdS6q)

33 Next, we'll find out that the FBI agent looks a lot like Broderick Crawford

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (e8kgV)

34 I don't trust anyone in the federal government anymore.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (lZvxr)

35 So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife?

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 05:31 PM (CnFRK)

 

 

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Dude jump at me, I be cappin' dat baller.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (UTrUJ)

36 When triple murder suspects lunge at me, I shoot 'em, but that's me.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (3+QKS)

37 "What time is it? Why, it's... TIME FOR ME TO CONFESS TO KILLING THREE JOOOOOS! And now, I STAB AT THEE!!!"

Happens all the time.

Posted by: Top of the World Ma at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (/lWM8)

38 Reminds me of "The Bourne Legacy" assisted suicide scene.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (aBvK7)

39

21 So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife?



 

Posted by: wheatie

 

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Um, I think they did.

 

Posted by: Dang

 

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Yeah...they 'handled' him.

 

But I meant 'disarm him'...take him down, take him in for questioning.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (CnFRK)

40 Was Ibragim Todashev on Barack Obama's "Kill List" ?
Perhaps we are talking "human drone" !!!!

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (e8kgV)

41 I think you're giving the FBI far, far too much credit. The ones left are the ones that are OK with targetting people for thinking the Founders were Swell Guys. In other words, the only ones left are dirty cops.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (Up4f+)

42 I think you are spelling FIB wrong.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, bringing some class for a change at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (SUIkN)

43 Coast to Coast will be rockin' tonight.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (evdj2)

44 38 Reminds me of "The Bourne Legacy" assisted suicide scene.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at May 30, 2013 05:37 PM (aBvK7)


Reminds me of the "Shooter" suicide

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (e8kgV)

45 If this information had not been revealed relatively soon after the shooting, I would say I would agree that something  'corrupt'  was occuring.  The fact that an investigation was immediately started and information that could be looked at as not favorable to the FBI is being reported,  calms those corrupt, conspiracy fears just a bit.   

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (m2CN7)

46 The guy was sweating it out. Maybe, he just cracked. I think it was suicide by cop and I fucking don't care. I am sick of chechnyans. They are a bunch of murdering islamic thugs. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (dHIHO)

47 >>> When triple murder suspects lunge at me, I shoot 'em, but that's me. sure, I can see it being clean. But the case for clean isn't helped by "He confessed to a crime (for which he'd get the death penalty anyway!!!) just as he lunged at me with what was either a knife or a... finger..." I don't understand the initial reports about the knife. Plainly, that is now out of the mix entirely. I do not see a likely path to confusion on this point.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:39 PM (LCRYB)

48 Step 1) Confess to triple murder
Step 2) Start throwing chairs and tables at FBI
Step 3) Simultaneously lunge for sword/knife

Uh, okay.

Posted by: Lady in Black (I haven't read all the comments yet, but....) at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (ovWeo)

49 If the FBI was planning on whacking the guy wouldn't it have made sense to bring along a knife to plant?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (g1DWB)

50 Come at me with that banana, Bro!

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (evdj2)

51 "39 21 So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife? Posted by: wheatie ---------- Um, I think they did. Posted by: Dang --------- Yeah...they 'handled' him. But I meant 'disarm him'...take him down, take him in for questioning. Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 05:38 PM (CnFRK) " Obama had Osama killed (and then ceremonially buried) when he could have had him captured and interrogated instead. So there is "precedent."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (wjywE)

52 ...and the good agents are out of jobs like me, because being around some things like treason just makes decent people ill. So everything coming out under this administration? Yeah, not an innocent one in the whole bunch.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (Up4f+)

53 His head meeting a .40 HP(which I can no longer fucking purchase) was, well, inconvenient.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (Cs2tJ)

54 From the very first moment someone posted the information about this story here -- a couple days ago, at least, people thought it did not pass the 'sniff' test. But I guess I'd be some sort of conspiracy theorist if I thought some of the largest, most powerful arms of the Federal government were just a 'tad' out of control. But I wouldn't want to suggest that because italian people do that kinda stuff.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (U2UQk)

55 More failures in leadership?

Posted by: Sponge at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (xmcEQ)

56 OT : Cincinnati IRS workers to be questioned by House investigators http://tinyurl.com/kencbb5


This should be good.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (3+QKS)

57 More failures in leadership? Poor customer service.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (evdj2)

58 >>>But I meant 'disarm him'...take him down, take him in for questioning. personally I'd just shoot him if he did lunge at me. I'm not going to get into a judo fight with a mixed martial artist. But the initial stories seem to have been false, and I'm wondering why. I have a speculation: The agent was a woman, and did have an understandable extra amount of fear of this guy (who was a trained HTH fighter), and the FBI doesn't want any questions about this, so they put out a story about a knife, and etc.... It's just that once the Not Truth starts flowing, it's hard to just then sit back and say "I trust them implicitly."

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (LCRYB)

59 Has it been said yet?

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Sponge at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (xmcEQ)

60

Looking at  what's been reported, I'm  getting kinda suspicious myself. This whole story sounds fishy.

 

And naturally, we'll never be told everything. That's why PD's have PR officers.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (0HooB)

61 "46 The guy was sweating it out. Maybe, he just cracked. I think it was suicide by cop and I fucking don't care. I am sick of chechnyans. They are a bunch of murdering islamic thugs. Fuck 'em. Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 05:39 PM (dHIHO) " Islam is Islam.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (wjywE)

62 Do you have five years of martial arts training?  If your opponent has a knife and you don't, you just lost any advantage your training gives you.

Posted by: jack at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (XhzTz)

63 Who the hell came up with "Homeland" security ?

Reminds me of the "Amerika" (TV mini-series) with Robert Urich where they created a new nation out of the plain states called "HomeLand" or some such nonsense.

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (e8kgV)

64 The part that gets me,  why was he being interrogated in his apartment?  They usually take them to be interrogated elsewhere,  like a field office or police station.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 12:43 PM (Hx2XA)

65 This shooting does seem like a "cover your ass" situation with respect to what exactly happened, but probably a justified shooting.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (3+QKS)

66
didn't one of the 3 suffer a knife injury?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (vzLhi)

67 @JackStraw there you go again expecting that they won't be that brazen. It was initially reported the FBI guy had stab wounds. Oh yeah? Show me.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (N5ZQC)

68 Those weren't FBI. They were LIZARD PEOPLE!

Posted by: Alex Jones at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (MMC8r)

69 Terror investigations seem to be primarily centered on keeping the victim population from knowing how preventable it was. Was any recent terrorist not previously investigated or even recruited?

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (sOtz/)

70 Reminds me of the Newtown shooting.  The principal buzzed the shooter in because she recognized him, then later, nope, she dind't. He broke in.  Yep that's the ticket.  I trust most police -- but my trust has, on occasion, been misplaced when they put their union or political ideology above the public they serve.  Seen that up close here in Olympia.

Posted by: Starbaordhelm at May 30, 2013 12:44 PM (hHgxI)

71

After the shooting the agents closed the front door and smoked up all the dude's weed.  Hence the all the confusion.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (UTrUJ)

72 He had witnessed Holder, Jay Carney, and Obama in a gay 3-way while Moochelle was dressed in the halle berry catwoman costume and whipping the hell out of all of them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (b3XdW)

73 50 Come at me with that banana, Bro!

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 05:40 PM (evdj2)

What about pointed sticks?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (7xeJQ)

74

Having a weapon somewhere in the house is not the same thing as "being armed."

 

One would think, using common sense (yeah, I know), that you'd have to actually, you know, have a weapon in your hand to be armed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 12:45 PM (0HooB)

75 Yeah... There's something off about this one. It doesn't help that all of this questioning and evidently confessing (kind of a big deal) was happening at HIS place... with his weapons lying around... in the same room.... just casually.

The sword had been 'moved to the corner,' you see.

It just reeks of 'Yeah, I did it! But you coppers'll never take me alive! Bonzai!' Which I suppose happens, but the confession and then the attempted attack seems like it was written for a bad true crime show.

But hey, this could still just be inept Government unable to get its story straight too.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (tWmgi)

76 >>> didn't one of the 3 suffer a knife injury? the first story was that the FBI agent had suffered non-life-threatening injuries. I don't believe it was said they were knife injuries (though that seems strongly implied). without a knife in the mix, I don't know how one could suffer knife injuries. It seems that if the agent had cuts from a blade, the FBI just would have said so and put these suspicions to bed. this is a "dog that didn't bark" situation. No dogs barking = no dogs.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (LCRYB)

77
It was initially reported the FBI guy had stab wounds. Oh yeah? Show me.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 05:44 PM (N5ZQC)




Not sure why, but the Howard Stern song "Ol' Black OJ" popped into my head.

Posted by: Sponge at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (xmcEQ)

78
When triple murder suspects lunge at me, I shoot 'em, but that's me.




Well you see, that's only going to happen if you didn't secure the suspect properly in the first place.

Now, I've seen the cops around here talking to a guy for selling oranges or kids skateboarding, and they had their subjects curbed and secured.

You'd expect at least that from the FBI and a terrorism related suspect.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (kdS6q)

79 Yeah, they might very well be lying. And then again, they probably saved us millions in trial costs and jail costs. So all in all, I'd say it was a win win.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (9Bj8R)

80 Bath Salts

Posted by: Floridaman at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (yn6XZ)

81 Having trouble coming up with the requisite amount of sympathy for Tsodastabby.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (YIZv0)

82 Doesn't chubs mccain now have a pet lizzard? You think it is an FBI agent?

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (dHIHO)

83 If the FBI was planning on whacking the guy wouldn't it have made sense to bring along a knife to plant? Posted by: JackStraw


Or just grab one from the guy's kitchen.  If you're going to off some guy and you're a freaking FBI agent,  you'd probably think it through better than this.

Posted by: Dang at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (Hx2XA)

84 To Do List

Pick up dry cleaning
Confess murder to cops
Kill cops with broken sword

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (8ZskC)

85
What if it went down like this:

Did you kill those 3 people in Waltham, Massachusetts?
Yeah, sure, whatever.
You're under arrest.
For what?
For murder.
What? You're setting me up!

And that's when all hell broke loose and he tried to escape his apartment. They shot him, probably in the back. And then they all agreed to say he confessed and then attacked them.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (BUcLz)

86 I've frisked a thousand young punks, he's clean.

Posted by: Capt. McCluskey at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (evdj2)

87 So did this guy's DNA match anything at the triple murder scene....or do we not know that yet?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (X6akg)

88 It's possible this was just an on-the-line situation (do you shoot an MMA guy threatening to beat the shit out of you? Personally, I do, but the FBI might not want to cop to that) which was then "sweetened" with some falsehoods.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (LCRYB)

89 Apparently this guy was an MMA fighter with a violent history.  Surely the FBI agent knew that.

I suspect that Todashev did make an aggressive move and the agent responded with deadly force a bit prematurely.

Saying you thought that maybe he was going for a sword on the other side of the room?  Not buying it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (SY2Kh)

90 Did Todashev tote-a-shiv ?

Posted by: seamrog at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (7Z80s)

91 It's getting close to Star Chamber time anyways...

Posted by: ChampionCapua at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (q00GQ)

92 You'd expect at least that from the FBI and a terrorism related suspect.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 30, 2013 05:46 PM (kdS6q)


Absolutely. Especially you're questioning him at his place... and he's confessing.


You seriously don't at least cuff him there and keep talking? Is it that big of a concern that he'll quit talking just because he's cuffed? Quite curious.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl - Lutheran Extremist at May 30, 2013 12:48 PM (tWmgi)

93 It was initially reported the FBI guy had stab wounds. Oh yeah? Show me.

Posted by: blaster


Sometimes it takes a while to get around to that.

Posted by: George Zimmerman at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (Hx2XA)

94 >>Well you see, that's only going to happen if you didn't secure the suspect properly in the first place


Then when will I ever get to shoot a suspect?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (3+QKS)

95 He lunged at the Fibber. They most likely knew his MMA background. Fuck him.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (6qxtM)

96
Wasn't some group from the Boston manhunt killed in a plane crash or something? Honestly, I can't keep my conspiracies theories separate these days.

Posted by: The Three Living Witnesse


Different guy, but still weirdness:


Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

...

Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. And in February, it rescued a 5-year-old boy held hostage for six days in an underground bunker in Alabama.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (ZIcZg)

97 So this was an exploding sword ?

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (e8kgV)

98 Raylan Givens has shown more restraint.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (b9K4P)

99

Just shot an unarmed suspect? Pssh - ain't no thing!

Posted by: The LAPD - Busy Ventilating Mexican Grandmothers Delivering Newspapers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (kdS6q)

100

AMAZING

a feeby shoots a piece of shit confessed murderer/future terrorist and yet my compassion meter just isn't moving

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (yjyRB)

101 Look cops lie about traffic stops all the time. They aren't going to lie about a dodgy shooting? Yeah right

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (N5ZQC)

102

If they  really  were  trying to silence someone or there is a conspiracy,  the FBI is doing it wrong.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (m2CN7)

103

58...personally I'd just shoot him if he did lunge at me. I'm not going to get into a judo fight with a mixed martial artist.
 

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 05:42 PM (LCRYB)

 

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That's sort of what George Zimmerman did...n'est pas?

 

And I hadn't contemplated if the FBI agent was a woman, ace.

If so, then this adds whole new political correctness aspect to it.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:49 PM (CnFRK)

104 He shouldn't have had a knife during the interview had he been properly frisked. When the story broke, I pointed out the ludicrous line we're supposed to bite.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (MhA4j)

105

if a guy lunges at you from a couple feet away, how do yo draw and whack him before he has his hands on you ?

 

Maybe there is more too it ? The whole thing is bizzare

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (nTgAI)

106 Is it odd that they questioned him in his apartment for hours? As opposed to a more controlled setting? I don't know enough about LEO procedure to say.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, bringing some class for a change at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (Avoyj)

107 Different guy, but still weirdness: Ah, thanks. Seriously, like all the scandals, the weirdness is running together into a great smear of suck.

Posted by: toby928 at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (evdj2)

108 Excusesh me ,my friendsh, I appear to be losht .

Ish thish Shyria?

Posted by: Sen John Mc...shomething...wandering... at May 30, 2013 12:51 PM (EZl54)

109 A pressure cooker sword ?

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (e8kgV)

110 "While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt."

This is why those assholes at the IRS need to be prosecuted. If Holder can be had as well, that would be icing on the cake.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (vd7A8)

111 What a mixed martial artist the world is losing in me.

Posted by: Ibragim Todashev at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (8ZskC)

112 Maybe he came at the FBI lady with a goat, I didn't read nothing about no goats, which is odd.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (3+QKS)

113 My trust in LE at any level is about zero lately.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (Cs2tJ)

114 Aren't they trained to shoot weapons out of people's hands,  or something?

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (Hx2XA)

115 this is a clear example of why you don't bring a mma fighter to a gun fight

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (yjyRB)

116 He was a baaaaaaaad maaaaaannn.

Posted by: The Goat at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (evdj2)

117 Oh ...I get it ..  a "Magic" sword

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 30, 2013 12:53 PM (e8kgV)

118 "100 AMAZING a feeby shoots a piece of shit confessed murderer/future terrorist and yet my compassion meter just isn't moving Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 05:49 PM (yjyRB) 101 Look cops lie about traffic stops all the time. They aren't going to lie about a dodgy shooting? Yeah right Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 05:49 PM (N5ZQC) " Different people have different ideas about morality, apparently.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (wjywE)

119

He lunged at the Fibber. They most likely knew his MMA background.  

 

That gigantic broken  proboscis might have given it away.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (0HooB)

120 The FBI agent did the DEW

Posted by: Felicia the Goat at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (e8kgV)

121 Aren't they trained to shoot weapons out of people's hands, or something?


That takes training.

And alcohol.

Posted by: The Waco Kid at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (8ZskC)

122 Just because the government appears inept does not mean it is not conspiratorial. Dumbasses doing conspiracy kinda sums up where we are.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (XbVvw)

123 I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle on this. If they were planning on executing the dude for some reason, wouldn't they get their fucking stories straight beforehand? I mean, that's rule number one of any conspiracy.

This sounds to me like some major screw-up that the FBI was trying to bury.

The sad thing is...these are the guys that are supposedly protecting us from foreign spies and terrorists. And yet they can't even execute a decent cover up on the most favorable of terms.

So yeah...the agents of the State aren't just liars, they're also generally incompotent as well.

Posted by: Jason at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (6VB4r)

124 was the FBI chick hot?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (yjyRB)

125 Smell my finger, kuffir!

Posted by: Ibragim Todashev at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (ztxT0)

126 Maybe he fell asleep and the FBI agent  was so mean he shot him for snoring.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (m2CN7)

127 114 Aren't they trained to shoot weapons out of people's hands, or something?

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 05:53 PM (Hx2XA)


We send our recruits to the military to become SEALS, Delta Force, etc. We haven't sent any to the FBI as a matter of policy.


Posted by: Jedi Council at May 30, 2013 12:54 PM (tWmgi)

128 I still have my "magic hat" that I got from the CIA guy

Posted by: John Kerry at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (e8kgV)

129 Suicide by cop? If the guy "lunged" he was probably going for one of the officer's weapons. That shit don't fly.

Posted by: supercore23 at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (bwV72)

130 Nude goat thread

Posted by: The Goat at May 30, 2013 12:55 PM (evdj2)

131 96 The helicopter accident could be coincidence but there sure are a lot of  coincidences these days.

A helicopter fast-roping training far out at sea.  Two agents fall "from a considerable distance".  How does that saying go? "One is coincidence, two is..."

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (lhX9P)

132

Maybe George Zimmerman can use this in his defense?

 

If a trained FBI agent shot someone who made them 'fear for their life'....when there were two State Troopers nearby...

Then, one guy, alone, getting beaten to a pulp, should be able to shoot in self defense.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (CnFRK)

133
I've frisked a thousand young punks......

Oooo! Me Too!

Posted by: Harry Greid (D, Ickhead) at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (eyJh9)

134 >>>I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle on this. If they were planning on executing the dude for some reason, wouldn't they get their fucking stories straight beforehand? I mean, that's rule number one of any conspiracy. i don't buy a before-the-fact plan, but once the Not Truth Juice starts flowing, I'm not sure of much. It's very possible this is just the case of the FBI shooting a dangerous unarmed man (being a trained MMA guy, he is in fact dangerous without a weapon) but not wanting to cop to that as their policy and so then makin' up some stuff about it.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (LCRYB)

135
They most likely knew his MMA background.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff





FBI has provided video of the suspect using an MMA move.

http://tinyurl.com/2rj582

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 30, 2013 12:56 PM (kdS6q)

136 Does anybody know how to use these stupid three sea shells

Posted by: demolition man at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (e8kgV)

137 "One is coincidence, two is..."

I don't believe in coincidences.

Posted by: Gibbs at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (Cs2tJ)

138 Just shot an unarmed suspect? Pssh - ain't no thing!

Posted by: The LAPD - Busy Ventilating Mexican Grandmothers Delivering Newspapers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

***

 

Those were ASSAULT newspapers.

Posted by: L.A.P.D. at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (uhftQ)

139 If the guy came at the agent - in arm's reach - alone - with a PEN, he was dangerous enough to shoot twice in the head and five times in the balls. But they made it "sound" good, violating the trust of the public in the FBI - so they didn't sound wimpy. IF they had admitted something like, "Hey, the dude was wacko, lunged at an agent's neck with a pen," then everyone would have said. "Oh." But since the real non-political agents have nearly all resigned/been released/transferred - the incompetent dirty cops are the ones left talking to the press - and punk criminals/dirty cops always tend to talk themselves up. That's my take.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (Up4f+)

140 129 Suicide by cop?

If the guy "lunged" he was probably going for one of the officer's weapons.

Posted by: supercore23 at May 30, 2013 05:55 PM (bwV72)


That would make sense, but why the confession? To make sure all his jihadi homies knew about all his muslim street cred steeze?

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl - Lutheran Extremist at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (tWmgi)

141 A helicopter fast-roping training far out at sea. Two agents fall "from a considerable distance". How does that saying go? "One is coincidence, two is..."

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at May 30, 2013 05:56 PM (lhX9P)

 

So the helicopter pilots and the other agents would all be in on this supposed 'accident' ?

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (m2CN7)

142 >>>Maybe George Zimmerman can use this in his defense? interesting... this did happen in florida. wow, interesting angle.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (LCRYB)

143

Dead wolves don't talk.

Posted by: steveegg at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (o44nj)

144 Different people have different ideas about morality, apparently. When it comes to dead muzzies, I guess so.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (YIZv0)

145 So did this guy's DNA match anything at the triple murder scene....or do we not know that yet? Extensive forensic smoking of the evidence is required before... is that Iron Butterfly? ... ♫In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida baby♫

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (U2UQk)

146 if a guy lunges at you from a couple feet away, how do yo draw and whack him before he has his hands on you ?

Maybe there is more too it ? The whole thing is bizzare Posted by: The Jackhole


Maybe the bad guy said something like, "Prepare to taste the wrath of my blade,  my friend!  For you have trespassed against me and shall surely die this day!" or something like that.  It would give the good guy plenty of time to pull a gun and start blazing away.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (Hx2XA)

147 Sometimes these little details get misplaced in the Fahg of Waa.

Posted by: Mass Police Union PR Rrelease at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (2iU3x)

148 "While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt." The bizarre free pass that alleged "small government" people give to the Law Enforcement/Prison industry continually confounds me.

Posted by: CTD at May 30, 2013 12:59 PM (CVBNI)

149  Sometimes it seems the room is spinning and I hear laughter when I it hits me how much I distrust the Regime. Is there anything they tell the truth about? Heck, even Michelle lies about her hair (says the bangs are growing out) - which is really a long line of wigs. Isn't she black enough? They have to lie about her hair? Between this incident, and all the others of a more serious nature, if they'll lie about her hair, and their personal lives (didn't Selma affect Obama's parents or something?), I just don't trust anything they say anymore. I gave them the benefit of the doubt at one time. No more. They've politicized everything to such an extant, it is sickening.

Posted by: Baldy at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (tyDFN)

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (Cs2tJ)

151 "a feeby shoots a piece of shit confessed murderer/future terrorist and yet my compassion meter just isn't moving"

You do realize that the "confessed" bit hinges on the testimony of the very people who cant get their story straight about anything else, right?

Or do you just not care?

Posted by: Jason at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (6VB4r)

152 Agents: "Hey, we just shot an unarmed guy, but he was a trained MMA fighter, and probably could have killed or seriously injured the agent before the cops could intervene. So it's a clean shooting." Agent in Charge: "You can't say that. The Florida government is prosecuting Zimmerman for doing the same thing. You can't say this is FBI policy. The president would flip out." Agents: "We could say he had a knife." Agent in Charge: "Let's do that then!!!"

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Speculative Conspiracy Theory Offerer at May 30, 2013 01:00 PM (LCRYB)

153 I hope Florida does burn. I'm so sick of the trayvonte shit and the dirty politicians. Let them all burn...

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (dHIHO)

154 Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 05:59 PM (Hx2XA)

Ha! And they are sitting back saying "Impossible. We moved his sword to the CORNER... Ah, he's going for the sword in the corner! How is this happening?"

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl - Lutheran Extremist at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (tWmgi)

155 Perhaps he lunged at the LEO with a banana

Posted by: Eric Idle at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (e8kgV)

156 I simply lunged at uncovered cat meat.

Posted by: Ibragim Todashev at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (uhftQ)

157 Anyone believing these ricin letters are NOT being sent by federal operatives?

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (Cs2tJ)

158

"And this is a pretty good reason to keep the government small and weak and then eyeball the hell of it anyway."

   

Oops, too late.

Posted by: Beef at May 30, 2013 01:01 PM (tI9wB)

159 Well,I believed he confessed and attacked because he was a crazy muslim who wanted to die a martyr.Confessed is the wrong word,probably bragged about it.

Posted by: steevy at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (9XBK2)

160 Maybe it's all so confusing because you're assuming the press reports things accurately.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (6H6o8)

161 ... or a pointy stick

Posted by: Eric Idle at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (e8kgV)

162 You do realize that the "confessed" bit hinges on the testimony of the very people who cant get their story straight about anything else, right? Or do you just not care? Was Tsodastabby a muzzie? If yes, then no.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (YIZv0)

163 The bizarre free pass that alleged "small government" people give to the Law Enforcement/Prison industry continually confounds me.

Posted by: CTD at May 30, 2013 05:59 PM (CVBNI)

 

I don't think its as much as a free pass as who are you going to believe?

 

In this case, likely killer of three people who was recently arrested for almost beating to death a old guy or an FBI agent.   I mean if you had to put your own money on these type bets,  you would win  placing your bet on the law enforcement officer.  

 

Sure , you would lose occasionally but it would not be the smart bet.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 01:02 PM (m2CN7)

164 ...closer to home, you're more likely to be killed accidentally on purpose by a policeman or FBI agent than a terrorist. Just ask Mr. Jerry Waller, 72, formerly of a Ft. Worth country club neighborhood. Oops, too late. Well, then reference his daughter's take on the misrepresentation that the Ft. Worth Police Dept. has been spinning in the press after their rookie cop shot the old man six times in his chest for opening his garage door, armed, to see what the hell was going on with the bright lights shining in his bedroom window that night and the neighbor's nuisance false alarm ringing. Yeah. He put down his gun on command. Wonder if the responding cops didn't want to waste a crisis. They didn't let off the heated moment, but instead became even more aggressive, making Mr. Waller feel threatened that they were going to shoot him, that they were the likely cause of his neighbor's alarm going off. It isn't as if crooks don't pose as cops in their crimes and in their get-away. Just what the tax payers asked for from police training exercises. They're about to learn what it is to feel threatened by a wrongful death lawsuit.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 01:03 PM (MhA4j)

165

148  its not that

who do you believe more...unnamed 'sources' or and FBI agent

 

let me hit you with a different angle

a cop is alone with a guy who confessed to a triple murder where the victim's throats were cut to almost decapitation, he knows damn well the guy is a mma fighter, and he knows if he goes down well now the bad guy has his weapon

what would you do?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (yjyRB)

166 142 >>>Maybe George Zimmerman can use this in his defense?

interesting... this did happen in florida.

wow, interesting angle. Posted by: ace


We may want to keep an eye on this situation. The victim was a minority as well, and the shooters in both cases are sort of considered minorities(half-hispanic and a woman). I wonder which groups will be protesting this mess, which is a natural result of the left's position on division.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 01:04 PM (3+QKS)

167 The institutional denial of and even deception when Islam is involved always has me wondering how much more there is to the story. As here when the "lone wolves" conclusions came flooding in after the usual thorough less than one day investigation. When Bush was president I joked about the FBI declaring things not terror before they could physically be on the scene. Worse now in the no jihad threat analyis era.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 01:05 PM (sOtz/)

168

151  Or do you just not care?

in this case?  honestly I sleep better knowing this piece of shit is dead

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:05 PM (yjyRB)

169 It moved. I shot it.

Posted by: George Costanza, FBI Agent at May 30, 2013 01:06 PM (LCRYB)

170 "Was Tsodastabby a muzzie? If yes, then no."

Ok, so you're just a general bigot that has no problem with the State executing people for their religion?...Or a lefty troll pretending to be the stereotype of a conservative?

Posted by: Jason at May 30, 2013 01:07 PM (6VB4r)

171 148 its not that
who do you believe more...unnamed 'sources' or and FBI agent

let me hit you with a different angle
a cop is alone with a guy who confessed to a triple murder where the victim's throats were cut to almost decapitation, he knows damn well the guy is a mma fighter, and he knows if he goes down well now the bad guy has his weapon
what would you do?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 06:04 PM (yjyRB)

 

for starters, I wouldn't question the guy for hours at his house.

 

What would you do ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 01:07 PM (nTgAI)

172 I wonder if, as ace alluded to, the FBI realized that had to avoid the Zimmerman situation.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (3+QKS)

173 Tshis whole Tstory Tstinks. Tsomethins. Goin on.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (/tc03)

174 If I had a sword-swinging militant Islamic ,MMA fighter, Chechen son ...

Posted by: Barky O at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (EZl54)

175 OK , guy is being questioned about a triple homicide and the cops didn't secure every weapon in the house . Umm bullshit .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 30, 2013 01:09 PM (WK8VM)

176 Ok, so you're just a general bigot that has no problem with the State executing people for their religion?...Or a lefty troll pretending to be the stereotype of a conservative?

Posted by: Jason at May 30, 2013 06:07 PM (6VB4r)

 

Whoa there  Spike.   Who executed who for their religion?  I missed that part of the investigation.  

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 01:09 PM (m2CN7)

177

If he confessed to a triple murder would you not arrrest him ?

 

I don't care how big a piece of crap the guy was. The cops job is to bring em in and let the courts decide.

 

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 01:10 PM (nTgAI)

178

If I had a young, strapping, socialist muslim son...he would look just like Ibragim Todashev.

 

Wait, what?

Posted by: The Sleazy Preezy at May 30, 2013 01:11 PM (CnFRK)

179 Of course the shore patrol chimes in with the "Thin Blue Line" . Bullshit .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 30, 2013 01:12 PM (WK8VM)

180 "Whoa there Spike. Who executed who for their religion? I missed that part of the investigation."

Why don't you try reading the comment I was responding to.

Posted by: Jason at May 30, 2013 01:12 PM (6VB4r)

181 175  what right did they have to do it yet?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:12 PM (yjyRB)

182 If he confessed to a triple murder, hangs with terrorist, and is an MMA fighter, I would shoot him dead as soon as he made a move at me.

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 01:13 PM (dHIHO)

183 I read that he was reaching for a bag of Skittles®.

You know how many people choke on those each year?  Plenty.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at May 30, 2013 01:13 PM (Hx2XA)

184 The police and FBI take a person of interest or a suspect to headquarters for questioning. If they were sticking inside someone's home while questioning the person, it was likely so they could poke around without a warrant. But then, this administration don't need no stinkin' warrants. The FBI doesn't even bother initiating a warrant, let alone going through the procedure. Search now. Apologize later.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 01:13 PM (MhA4j)

185

I'm at the point where I have more faith and trust with the criminals, con artists and terrorists than our LEOs and other government agencies.

 

At least I know what the bad guys ultimate goal is. With todays supposed good guys?, not so much.

 

And I hate it.

Posted by: ExSnipe at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (PBm/l)

186

"While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt."

 

 

Yeah, I hear you.  Consider this too - reporters suck!  I have had a small number of news articles written involving me, and they all gave a pretty lousy picture of what the deal was.

 

Also, I remember back during the famous OJ trial, many years ago. I was out sick for the day, and watched the trial all day long. It was interesting - I'd never seen a murder trial before. Lots of significant things going on. The news reports? Something about Kato Kalin's HAIR...

 

It sounds suspicious, but we weren't there, and haven't seen any of the real reports, or evidence, so we can't really make any conclusions.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (Mxt9o)

187 on one head ... another dead muzzie is a good thing

on the other hand ... trusting the word of feds .... uhmmm ... Ruby Ridge and Waco jump to mind. Oh, and Fast and Furious, and how many more that we haven't found out.

Posted by: GoldWingNut at May 30, 2013 01:15 PM (hXFm2)

188 now I'm getting caught not proofing my snark ... on one HAND

Posted by: GoldWingNut at May 30, 2013 01:15 PM (hXFm2)

189 This shithead should have been deported. I blame Holder!

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 01:15 PM (dHIHO)

190

184 The police and FBI take a person of interest or a suspect to headquarters for questioning.

 

Yes. ...Thank you.

The fact that they were questioning the guy, there, at his own apartment, just adds to the strangeness of the whole thing.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (CnFRK)

191

This stuff also makes me think back to the bit in "Men in Black", where the scandal sheets are described as "the best investigative journalism on the planet." It was a joke, and a good one, and then we found out that THEY were the only ones who got it right about John Edwards!

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (Mxt9o)

192

179  and here comes the shore patrol crap

sorry, wasn't shore patrol...I was actually military police AKA full arrest authority

 

know the difference between a military cop and a civilian cop?

everyone I dealt with was trained to kill the enemy and a lot of them were combat veterans

we couldn't call for a swat team

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:18 PM (yjyRB)

193 Yes, it is all corrupt. Pretending the government is an agent for good is silly. Just yesterday it was announced that 7,600 inmates in New Jersey county jails received over $10 million in unemployment benefits. And, the New Jersey audit also said that $354,158 in state pensions were paid to former state employees behind bars. We need to re-frame the conversation about government in America.

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 30, 2013 01:19 PM (WSgyE)

194

190  okay

fbi:  hey, we would like you to come in for questioning

muzzie worm food:  fuck off, get a warrant

 

taadaa, questioning is shot

 

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:20 PM (yjyRB)

195

As for the conspiratorial angle, let's remember about the Saudi who had ties to terrorism, was close enough to a blast that he was hospitalized, and was then secreted out of the country for security reasons. So there are secrets to be kept quiet, apparently.

 

But, again, it could really just be nothing. You can't tell.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 01:21 PM (Mxt9o)

196 Most people have figured out this past decade or two is to not trust the media to report anything accurately, and to not trust politicians to be truthful. Trouble when "deserving" judgment gets cast by bigots. Yahoo Group Think!111!!11!!!! Let the riots commence: # university students "thank you card" to the IRS for targeting conservative Americans for abuse. # abuse anyone of the wrong religion, etc., for not being just like us.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 01:21 PM (MhA4j)

197 190 okay
fbi: hey, we would like you to come in for questioning
muzzie worm food: fuck off, get a warrant

taadaa, questioning is shot

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 06:20 PM (yjyRB)

 

I am assuming he confessed to the 3 murders before he was shot ?

Why was he not taken into custody at that point ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (nTgAI)

198 190 wheatie America's reached the point when every damned story that breaks is simply a logistics exercise, to go figure how better to propagandize for the big sell. The most obvious example is the many revisions of the Obama administration's various, ever changing "official" stories of how they got the dead bin-Laden. They even felt compelled to make up a story about where Obama was, and how he was tracking the events live, real time. Duh. Of course they had to fabricate something "impressive".

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (MhA4j)

199 Someone back in Chechnya wanted this guy dead. Paying off a few LEOs to make it happen is no big deal. That's my theory.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (29vnO)

200 Save it Joe . I know what the navy is like . You gonna try and tell me a drunk second class turd chaser is just like a Seal . QMSN late and missed muster after his liberty weekend . Hell , throw that psycho in the brig .Scary shit dude . Hell , I prefer the shore patrol . At least they had a real job when they weren't wearing they're arm band .

Posted by: awkward davies at May 30, 2013 01:29 PM (WK8VM)

201

197  I don't know

I wasn't there

I can start assuming they were preparing to transport him to the federal building or getting a local cop to take custody but its assuming

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 01:30 PM (yjyRB)

202 I used to have so much admiration for our services, fbi cia. now  because of things such as Benghazi (cia playing mum , Petreaus not clarifying etc), Military Ham .. i mean so much , so much  has changed. EPA  using  threats, Fast and Furious! atf.

I hate that i don't assume anymore,  things are as they say.

I HATE it.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 01:30 PM (nqBYe)

203 Ever heard of the expression "encounter killing"?  It's something they do in India, where the police grab suspected and genuine terrorists and then the next thing you know, the culprits are dead.  They're unarmed and already in police custody, but the story usually goes that they suddenly escaped and then were shot down.  And nobody believes a thing the Indian government says, either.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at May 30, 2013 01:30 PM (FkH4y)

204 whatever happened to the saud younger man they were looking at initially ?

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 01:32 PM (nqBYe)

205 193. the OFFICIALS representing our government are well worth removing from office. I remember a few years ago, people attacked those criticizing "the establishment" and pointing out the corruption of our government. It isn't as if Constitutional Governance is the problem. The problem is that we are denied our Constitutional Government. And minds have become so dark, that even to reference supporting and defending The US Constitution and Bill of Rights is reason for the authoritarians running the show to literally attack you in whatever way they choose, with no legal authority beyond "BECAUSE I COULD." It hardly matters which bureaucracy within our government gets chosen for a scrub down and amputation of the rotting gangrene from our nation's body. The DHS, ATF, IRS, probably every government agency now as well, specifically the three constitutional branches of government, and I'll point at the Dept./Justice AG Holder, the Executive Branch with the POTUS Obama, and the horribly authoritarian legislative branch of the corrupt Congress.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 30, 2013 01:36 PM (MhA4j)

206 Ace, dailymail is reporting they shot the guy seven times, including in the back of the head (really more the back/top of the head). And they have pics.

Posted by: Professor_Chaos at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (0bnLA)

207 "I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt."

Even the "good" parts now.  America has the most corrupt government in the world, except for all the others. There is literally no place to turn.  The people headed to Belize will soon see that.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 30, 2013 01:38 PM (ndlFj)

208 Willow, he gave an interview to one of the local papers back home, all concerned about the carnage, but rather peeved that he couldn't attend classes, and how the American press, was making him reconsider whether he should study here.

Posted by: Dolphins Amalgated Local 220 at May 30, 2013 01:40 PM (Jsiw/)

209 You'd think if you were a law enforcement officer who had shot someone dead that you'd at least know why you did it.

Posted by: Socratease at May 30, 2013 01:43 PM (AgrAs)

210 206 Ace, dailymail is reporting they shot the guy seven times, including in the back of the head (really more the back/top of the head). And they have pics. Posted by: Professor_Chaos at May 30, 2013 06:37 PM (0bnLA) Once again, Foreign Media > American Media We really are living in the Soviet Union.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2013 01:43 PM (sdi6R)

211 And Philly Police Commish Wiggum, er, Ramsey wants the DOJ to investigate my department???  Yeah, I anxiously await that pearl of wisdom.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 30, 2013 01:45 PM (gA69l)

212 Remember when questioning of suspects who confess to a triple homicide was done in a nice, safe controlled environment, like a locked room at a police station? Good times.

Posted by: Damiano at May 30, 2013 01:49 PM (BzT5x)

213 It's like Fletch all over again.  Without the laughs.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 30, 2013 01:50 PM (ndlFj)

214 ty, Dolphin.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 01:50 PM (nqBYe)

215 Regarding the question about the FBI agent(s) who died falling from the helicopter. This just came out today: Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. To correct erroneous reports in other media, Special Agent Ann Todd, an FBI spokeswoman in Washington, said this week that Lorek and Shaw were not directly involved in the apprehension of Tsarnaev, nor even in Watertown, Mass., at the time of his arrest.

Posted by: crobnson at May 30, 2013 01:59 PM (HnbpC)

216 197 I don't know
I wasn't there
I can start assuming they were preparing to transport him to the federal building or getting a local cop to take custody but its assuming

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 30, 2013 06:30 PM (yjyRB)

 

 

You didn't have a problem assuming it was ok to fill him with holes.

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 02:05 PM (nTgAI)

217 hey remember when I was saying magazines promote "15 minutes of exercise a week" is enough to keep you in shape? I overshot the mark. The Daily Telegraph: Twelve minutes' exercise per week 'enough to stay fit' Just 12 minutes of intensive exercise per week is enough to improve your health if you are overweight, a study has found.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:12 PM (LCRYB)

218 hey remember when I was saying magazines promote "15 minutes of exercise a week" is enough to keep you in shape?

I overshot the mark. The Daily Telegraph:

Twelve minutes' exercise per week 'enough to stay fit'
Just 12 minutes of intensive exercise per week is enough to improve your health if you are overweight, a study has found.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 07:12 PM (LCRYB)

 

Hell, I get that going back and forth to the refrigerator.

 

Better yet, 12 minutes ? If I can get laid 12 times a week i can get enough excercise.

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 02:14 PM (nTgAI)

219 This wasn't some idiot agent from Boise this was a first team varsity guy

Posted by: occam at May 30, 2013 02:15 PM (e+i3Q)

220 Good times.

Posted by: Damiano at May 30, 2013 06:49 PM (BzT5x)


that's old school obviously , not cool and hip, question a guy ALL night, listen to his confession. hang out some more until multiple officers go on a pee break at the same time.


BAM



Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 02:18 PM (nqBYe)

221 I've got mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I was an LEO and use of force/firearms instructor in federal and state agencies, and we taught that a man, particularly a martial arts expert, with a knife is a deadly threat, particularly in a small room. 21 feet is the minimum distance you want from such a person, preferably with some obstruction, like a table in between. The more the better, actually. A person attacking an agent he knows is armed can close that distance before the agent can draw and fire, and is presumed to have homicidal intent. Shooting that person is justified. I would say particularly so if that person had just confessed to killing three people with a knife in particularly brutal fashion. I wouldn't have hesitated, or bothered with a warning (no time for that). Unarmed, however, the shooting is much more problematic, particularly with two other officers in or near the room. You're supposed to be able to arrest unarmed people without killing them, even ones that aren't going peaceably. This is especially true when you made the original decision that three people was "enough" to accomplish the original objective. The agents control that element. We may hear that the suspect was going for the agent's gun, they fought for it, and the agent won. That shooting would also be justified in my opinion, because there's a) only one reason why the suspect is trying to get your gun, and b) there's no reason to give him another chance at it. A substantial percentage of cops are killed with their own weapons, so this is not an idle threat. Why the agent would agree to be alone with someone who had just confessed to a horrific triple murder in that person's home turf/residence is the key question, which I'm sure the shooting review team will be asking.

Posted by: Mongoose at May 30, 2013 02:21 PM (DXfkx)

222

217...The Daily Telegraph:

 

Twelve minutes' exercise per week 'enough to stay fit'
Just 12 minutes of intensive exercise per week is enough to improve your health if you are overweight, a study has found.

 

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 07:12 PM (LCRYB)

 

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When Obamacare kicks in, Ace...they will be making more money off of fat people, and smokers.

 

So why would they ever want people to slim down?

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 02:21 PM (CnFRK)

223 "Except for this: While I previously gave certain parts of government more credit than others, I'm starting to believe it's just all corrupt."

Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: Ken at May 30, 2013 02:24 PM (fFh95)

224

Dude, you can totally trust us, in all things.  I mean...uh, hang on a second, I gotta take care of something......two clicks to the right...

*bang*

Oh, man...Her mind expanded even broader than Vicki Weaver's, which was a terrible tragedy, by the way.  Still heartbroken about it.   Anyway, where were we?  Oh yeah....Trust us.  Totally.  Like your lives depend on it.

Posted by: Lon Horiuchi, innocently zeroing in on your head at May 30, 2013 02:31 PM (FsqHK)

225 I think the agents got caught flatfooted. The bad guy suddenly lunged at him, and...shit happens.

I'm sorry about it, but I absolutely don't believe he did it on purpose.

Posted by: PJ at May 30, 2013 02:35 PM (ZWaLo)

226

@10: "Dead Potential Jihadi /Confessed Murderer / Friend of Tsarnaev?
I'll get over it."

 

Yeah, there's no chance they might be fudging on this one.  None at all.  Seriously.  They're as honest as the day is long.

Posted by: Zombie Richard Jewell at May 30, 2013 02:36 PM (FsqHK)

227

Personally I'm in shock - I actually agree with CAIR that this should be investigated.

 

Although certainly not for the same ultimate purpose

Posted by: Marybeth at May 30, 2013 02:45 PM (zFUKI)

228

@132: "Maybe George Zimmerman can use this in his defense?   If a trained FBI agent shot someone who made them 'fear for their life'....when there were two State Troopers nearby...
Then, one guy, alone, getting beaten to a pulp, should be able to shoot in self defense. "

 

To paraphrase the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz: if I only had a badge!

 

 

Posted by: George Zimmerman at May 30, 2013 02:47 PM (FsqHK)

229

@138: "Those were ASSAULT newspapers."

 

Yep; EBP.  Evil Black Printing, no less.

Posted by: Chief Charlie Beck at May 30, 2013 02:50 PM (FsqHK)

230 I have trouble believing the FBI would not have made sure the suspect was unarmed BEFORE they brought him in to admit guilt in those murders.  You just don't treat suspected murderers like you would your dimwitted cousin.

Posted by: TOF at May 30, 2013 03:25 PM (PV2IU)

231 It gets more interesting. Atlas Shrugs reports CAIR FL claiming to have a mole in the FBI feeding them info on this case through an intermediary.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 03:48 PM (sOtz/)

232 I have a hunch....just a hunch that this agent is Female and overacted. I find it very strange that the agents gender is not made clear in any news reports.

Posted by: Casp at May 30, 2013 04:09 PM (DS3WS)

233

 

They say Trust, once lost

Is very hard to regain.

So I don't trust them.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at May 30, 2013 04:17 PM (XPfkb)

234 Todashev had a weapon far more dangerous than a knife. He had knowledge. And he had to be silenced, nay killed until dead, and his weapon nullified.

Posted by: EROWMER at May 30, 2013 04:19 PM (kxlCQ)

235 Hey at least they didn't fire a hundert or so rounds into a boat and not hit an object the size of a human. Takes a good shot to put that many rounds into a boat and not hit a person sized target!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at May 30, 2013 05:53 PM (SMImw)

236 They had to say he had something. dropping him in side an apartment because he had a boat probably wasnt going to work even with the Low Mo Fos.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at May 30, 2013 05:54 PM (SMImw)

237 Jeez I sure hope he wasn't silenced because he was going to blow up the Lone Wolf narrative of the Lyin kING. We have nuthing to fear from an Obama  Presiduncy or some terrorist kidnappers in syria, sincerely, Juan McStain!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at May 30, 2013 05:57 PM (SMImw)

238

This reads like a Bourne hit.

Your operating assumptions are working fine.

Posted by: Born Free at May 30, 2013 05:57 PM (gLZXf)

239 13 So...FBI guys are not trained to handle an assailant with a knife?

Posted by: wheatie at May 30, 2013 05:31 PM (CnFRK)


By "handle", do you mean something like use some special kung foo and disarm the attacker with the knife?  Like in Hollywood?  Seriously?  Most FBI agents I know like the use of their hands and fingers, which would be in serious jeopardy if they tried to go hand to hand in a knife fight.

The standard response to a knife attack by the FBI or any other law enforcement agent or officer is deadly force (depending, of course, on the nature of the threat).  If you don't want to get shot, don't try to stab a cop.  I would submit that that would be the response even if it was a member of Delta or Seal Team 6. 


Posted by: elliot at May 30, 2013 06:05 PM (8zGOf)

240 @221. You are spot on.  I would add that this guy was known as a boxer, or MMA fighter (IIRC).  I have a similar background to yours, and you and I both know that LEO's are NOT trained in weaponless tactics well enough to go one on one with someone with that level of training (Some are, but many are not).  The FBI, like most investigative agencies, doesn't normally engage in the same type of street level law enforcement that, say, a cop in North Philly or the Bronx would have, where physical confrontations were more frequent.

  

Posted by: elliot at May 30, 2013 06:15 PM (8zGOf)

241 I'm thinking accidental discharge. It's really, really embarrassing, yet responsible for a huge percent of wounds and deaths by gun shot -- not to mention the vast majority of humans on this thread indeed on this planet. But you're with the FBfreakingawesomeI, for gawd's sake, so you're institutionally-bound to erect an industrial-strength tissue of lies.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 30, 2013 06:40 PM (21TJo)

242 Like I said to start with, the FBI didin't want this guy to talk, he would have blown the "sudden jihad syndrome" meme, or else would have been all over the air talking about how many mulsims in America would love to do the same thing.

Posted by: Smarty at May 30, 2013 07:37 PM (llVl9)

243 Years ago I had a visit from the ATF & assorted other Feds (including at least one FBI agent) because the guy spraying my apartment for bugs saw my WASR-10 (Romanian semi-auto AK clone) and shat a brick. Took them half an hour before they thought to frisk me, and they interviewed me in my kitchen, within arms reach of the knife set, so it wouldn't have surprised me that the dude still had a ginzu at that point. Not saying the initial story was right, just that it wasn't all that unbelievable.

Posted by: A. Skywalker at May 30, 2013 10:14 PM (GDpMq)

244 Was Raylon Givens conducting the interview?

Posted by: Gimme_Danger at May 31, 2013 05:13 AM (3Ij+l)

245 My guess is that this guy was tied to the bombers and was likely involved in the triple homicide. I also think one of the officers overreacted to something the suspect did and shot him. Why the media isn't frothing at the mouth defending the poor dead Muslim killed by the racist agent is that the agent looked nothing like Raylan Givens and was instead a member of a victim class him- or herself. In short, reporting on the story truthfully would reflect poorly on a minority, which is something their journalistic credo avoids at all costs.

Posted by: gasss at May 31, 2013 08:07 AM (MFuKa)

246

 Law enforcement said when Todashev lunged, the FBI agent believed he could have possibly been going for his gun or the sword in the room, and that's when the agent opened fire.

 

Lunging for a cop's donut after hours of interrogation has gotten men killed before, it will no doubt happen again... 

Just to be clear, since there was no knife and Todashev didn't get his hands on the cop's  gun or the ornamental sword, how is it that the agent has any knife or cut wounds at all if Todashev was shot to death?  Remember, the FBI agent "believed", er speculated, Todashev "possibly could have" been going for his gun or the sword in the room.  Whichever plausible excuse for shooting Todashev provides the most deniability that an execution took place.  The other 2 having left the room so no witnesses except the shooter, savvy? 

Posted by: Speller at June 01, 2013 10:58 PM (J74Py)

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