November 30, 2010

Deficit Reduction Plan Unlikely To Garner Votes Necessary To Force a Vote In Congress
— Ace

Yet another blue ribbon panel that accomplishes nothing.

Well, it accomplished what it was intended to -- to give Obama six months (or whatever) of free time during which he could duck questions on an important issue by saying "Let the panel do its work." That's the point of all these commissions. To buy time, to avoid the decisions they're supposedly their to make.

To force a vote in Congress, 14 of the 18 members of the commission (containing six former members of Congress and twelve serving members) would have to vote in favor of one plan, and no one expects that to happen.

On FoxNews Sunday this week, Bill Kristol was more sanguine, happy that the commission was at least producing some ideas that were receiving some consideration and debate, surprised that a former Clinton official (not part of this commission) proposed a major change to Medicare that was similar to Paul Ryan's approach. (Rivkin's big idea was to reform Medicare from defined-contribution to defined-benefit, which is a key change to protect its solvency.)

I don't know how similar that is to Ryan's idea, apart from that defined-benefit thing, as Ryan is proposing that each Medicare recipient be given an $11,000 (per year) voucher to purchase private insurance. Rivkin's plan would, I imagine, keep Medicare a government program. But Kristol was taking his victories where he could find them.

It's something of a victory that Obama is proposing a federal pay freeze. What we need is a federal pay cut (5% for starters) and a hiring freeze combined with workforce reduction, but Obama was at least spurred to move in our direction. But what he proposes is plainly inadequate.

Posted by: Ace at 07:13 AM | Comments (111)
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1 This should be at least as successful as the earmarks ban.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 30, 2010 07:16 AM (R2fpr)

2

Theres a great video out on You tube of Obama Dis'n McCain during the election for wanting to create a Commision... said its what you do when you don't really want anything done, or have any plan yourself...

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 30, 2010 07:17 AM (AdK6a)

3 Gridlock: another entry in the many of BHO's 57 States of Confusion.

Posted by: sTevo at November 30, 2010 07:17 AM (S3kg0)

4 Did Obama not quadruple the Federal debt? If so, we're talking about decreasing the Titanic's speed by 5%.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2010 07:17 AM (FcR7P)

5 This is a question worth asking and the answer is the most poignant and effective one I have heard yet.  It's so simple a democrat can understand it.

Just click on the question below and be astounded:

Is Mitt Romney responsible for Obamacare and the current state of the Massachusetts Health Care system?

Posted by: Dan at November 30, 2010 07:17 AM (9L1z6)

6 How much money did we spend for Alan Simpson to conclude old folks are greedy? He could have learned that for the price of a hand mirror and some introspection.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:19 AM (AZGON)

7 If so, we're talking about decreasing the Titanic's speed by 5%.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2010 12:17 PM (FcR7P)


If we push all the deck-chairs to the port side we can reduce this mysterious subsiding sensation by up to 8%.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard

 

Pardon us if we're unimpressed.

Posted by: Bograts drowning in steerage class at November 30, 2010 07:21 AM (R2fpr)

8 I spoke to a GS13 in D.C. yesterday; she said she got notice that pay raises in grade are still on, only promotions are out.

Posted by: PMike at November 30, 2010 07:22 AM (R9qZf)

9 Apparently they're probably going to vote to outlaw home gardening today.

Posted by: GMan at November 30, 2010 07:23 AM (sxq57)

10 It seems to me Obama made a political mistake in offering a limited federal pay freeze.

The Democrats have argued for years that to balance the budget you raise taxes. Now the Republicans can use Obama's words to point out the problem is the size of the federal government.

I do want to hear the Republicans arguing for a return to 2008, or heck, 2000 budget levels - we can't allow Obama's obscene spending increases to be the new norm...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2010 07:24 AM (7BU4a)

11

Posted by: Dan at November 30, 2010 12:17 PM (9L1z6)

Pam has returned as Dan --- big bold fonts to follow.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:24 AM (OWjjx)

12 The country is dying of cancer, and Dr. Obama is recommending a pedicure.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 30, 2010 07:24 AM (PLvLS)

13 If so, we're talking about decreasing the Titanic's speed by 5%. If we push all the deck-chairs to the port side we can reduce this mysterious subsiding sensation by up to 8%. This Titanic analogy does go a long way towards explaining why Democrats like dressing up like women and shoving their way to the front of every line.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:25 AM (AZGON)

14 ace, link to some of the sites where the federal workers are whining in the comments.  Schaden, meet freude.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 30, 2010 07:25 AM (McG46)

15 Typo at end of First paragraph : ...supposibly there...

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 30, 2010 07:25 AM (fOo+M)

16

If they don't talk about killing Obamacare, they're not serious.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2010 07:26 AM (BvBKY)

17 It seems to me Obama made a political mistake in offering a limited federal pay freeze. The Democrats have argued for years that to balance the budget you raise taxes. Now the Republicans can use Obama's words to point out the problem is the size of the federal government. It's almost like this guy doesn't have a clue about how to manage the politics of an effective presidency. Hmm.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:26 AM (AZGON)

18

ear marks are for rino's

After 8 Republicans sided with Democrats, a proposed two year moratorium on earmarks failed in the Senate Tuesday by a 39-56 vote.

The ban failed to find support from Republican Senators James Inhofe (Ok.), Bob Bennet (Utah), Susan Collins (Me.) Thad Cochran (Miss.), Richard Shelby (Al.), Lisa Murkowsi (Ala.), George Voinovich (Ohio) and Dick Lugar (Ind.).

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:26 AM (Cm66w)

19

 

The democrats eat, shit, sleep, breath, fuck and die to RAISE OUR TAXES.

...and spend our money, and futher us down the road to a progressive welfare state.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2010 07:26 AM (0fzsA)

20

12 It seems to me Obama made a political mistake in offering a limited federal pay freeze.

I can't figure out why he did it, especially now.  What advantage does it give him to do it now?  Do it when you want to negotiate for something else.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2010 07:27 AM (BvBKY)

21 1. The commission was political kabuki. Well-known players went through well-known motions resulting in a well-known conclusion. 2. There will be no significant spending cuts in the upcoming congress, which will be well and truly gridlocked. 3. The nation's economy will swirl ever faster down the shitter while congress and the president natter.

Posted by: joncelli© at November 30, 2010 07:27 AM (RD7QR)

22 Talk: it's what D.C. does best.

That's why ass-clowns like Kristol get all giddy when there are "ideas" being floated. He can talk about them in his columns and on TV babble-fests.

And Osama Obama's alleged "pay freeze" doesn't reach the level of "something of a victory." It's a non-specific, non-binding retention of the status quo that will no doubt be filled with as many "exemptions" as his HealthScare plan.

What we really need is a no-exceptions pay freeze of the few government employees left after a majority of D.C.'s agencies, "boards" and "commissions" are permanently shut down.

Won't happen, of course. As long as the citizens can be placated with talk -- and the pundits have plenty of "nuance" to analyze -- our royalty will continue to push us towards the final collapse. They, after all, have the most golden of parachutes to rely on, which we are paying for.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 30, 2010 07:27 AM (Ulu3i)

23 'Plainly Inadequate' would be a good name for Obama's Band.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 07:27 AM (fOo+M)

24

21 lemon kitten

 

the rino's live for that too

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:28 AM (Cm66w)

25 1. The commission was political kabuki. Well-known players went through well-known motions resulting in a well-known conclusion. 2. There will be no significant spending cuts in the upcoming congress, which will be well and truly gridlocked. 3. The nation's economy will swirl ever faster down the shitter while congress and the president natter. Posted by: joncelli© at November 30, 2010 12:27 PM (RD7QR) But the NY Jets are 9-2?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 07:28 AM (0GFWk)

26

Ace, if I've got it backwards, please forgive me, but haven't you got it backwards on the defined-benefit/defined-contribution proposal that Alice Rivlin has floated with Paul Ryan's plan?

I thought that the change being suggested is that the federal gubmint make a defined-contribution (e.g., $11,000 per Medicare recipient [scale-up/scale-down may vary]) with no stipulation as to any particular service(s)/treatment(s) that the gubmint would be providing -- i.e., no defined benefit(s).

Posted by: RamonAllones at November 30, 2010 07:28 AM (TNPOJ)

27 They're primarily lawyers.
Lawyers are paid to obfuscate and stall any action that impedes their clients interest.
To our collective misfortune, they represent themselves and the moneyed interests that fill their personal coffers and not the target of their interests grasp, our public purse.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:29 AM (H+LJc)

28 Richard Shelby (Al.), Lisa Murkowsi (Ala.), George Voinovich (Ohio) and Dick Lugar (Ind.).

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 12:26 PM (Cm66w)

Murkowski is from AK.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 30, 2010 07:29 AM (McG46)

29

 

My staffers need bigger fancier DC apartments and fat juicy pay raises with sweet benefits. 

 

Posted by: Claire McCatkill at November 30, 2010 07:29 AM (0fzsA)

30 In your call for cutting federal wages, we should include cutting the benefits for all the elected officials, say 95% pay cut for Congress critters (and tax them on their perks as income) and include as income all the perks POTUS receives (free health care, housing, travel, etc.) as against the amount the Constitution directs the POTUS be paid. Reduce FLOTUS' staff to something less than 1 - since she has no official role and see how much we save. That should either generate review or reduce costs.

Posted by: Penfold at November 30, 2010 07:31 AM (1PeEC)

31 Wait, did I say "going to pass" the law that outlaws home gardens.  They *did* pass it.

Posted by: GMan at November 30, 2010 07:31 AM (sxq57)

32

29 They're primarily lawyers.
Lawyers are paid to obfuscate and stall any action that impedes their clients interest.
To our collective misfortune, they represent themselves and the moneyed interests that fill their personal coffers and not the target of their interests grasp, our public purse.

Hey!  That's my line.

But it's true that if you put lawyers in government, they use the same tactics to benefit themselves.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2010 07:31 AM (BvBKY)

33

My staffers need bigger fancier DC apartments and fat juicy pay raises with sweet benefits.

The Guys can room with me...as long as they are cool with my 'No Boxers, No Briefs', rule.

Posted by: Eric Massa at November 30, 2010 07:32 AM (fOo+M)

34

ear marks are for rino's

So Richard Shelby and James Inhofe are RINOs?

Proving once again that at AOSHQ, the definition of a RINO is......a Republican who does not agree with me.

See, I don't agree with these 8 voting against the Ear Mark Ban. But we toss the term RINO around here so casually, that it is almost losing its meaning.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:32 AM (OWjjx)

35

fubar

 

contact talk radio news service....i cut and pasted from there......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:33 AM (Cm66w)

36 After 8 Republicans sided with Democrats, a proposed two year moratorium on earmarks failed in the Senate Tuesday by a 39-56 vote... Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 12:26 PM (Cm66w) Which explains why Graham came out in favor of the ban- he knew d*mn well it would fail, but now he can tout the fact that he "voted to ban earmarks".

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 30, 2010 07:33 AM (02uN6)

37
23 ....The nation's economy will swirl ever faster down the shitter while congress and the president natter.

So will it swirl clockwise or counterclockwise?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:34 AM (H+LJc)

38 So will it swirl clockwise or counterclockwise? Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 12:34 PM (H+LJc) depends on which side of the Mississippi you live on

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 07:35 AM (0GFWk)

39 So will it swirl clockwise or counterclockwise?

Depends, whether in the northern or southern hemisphere, doesn't?

Posted by: Penfold at November 30, 2010 07:35 AM (1PeEC)

40

 

26 Phoenixgirl.  Sure enough.  Like pigs lining up at the trough.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2010 07:36 AM (0fzsA)

41

 

Repeal ObamaCare. 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2010 07:37 AM (0fzsA)

42 This Titanic analogy does go a long way towards explaining why Democrats like dressing up like women and shoving their way to the front of every line.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 12:25 PM (AZGON)

Can we have one thread that doesn't reference Barney Frank?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2010 07:37 AM (xxgag)

43 Which explains why Graham came out in favor of the ban- he knew d*mn well it would fail, but now he can tout the fact that he "voted to ban earmarks".

It's like they make deals behind our backs of sumpthin'

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:37 AM (H+LJc)

44 Spending money and accomplishing nothing:  It's the Obama way!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (xxgag)

45 Which explains why Graham came out in favor of the ban- he knew d*mn well it would fail, but now he can tout the fact that he "voted to ban earmarks".

The whole process is more kabuki. Our own party will orchestrate a pageant for our benefit, all the while making sure that it is geared to fail to maintain the benefits that enrich them.

Our government is at war with the people.  Both parties view us as the enemy.

Posted by: nickless© at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (MMC8r)

46

Zach Greinke?

RINO

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (fOo+M)

47 Is Mitt Romney responsible for Obamacare and the current state of the Massachusetts Health Care system?


Thanks Dan, I forwarded that link to a few people with the explanation that Mitt Romney! is almost as smart as Matt Damon!

Posted by: Jack's complete lack of suprise at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (F/4zf)

48 Your minds have been poisoned by the Nazi hordes of news, you TV-watching, radio-listening poor unfortunates. REPENT! http://tinyurl.com/2ccltbc

Posted by: The Voice of the Enlightened at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (iSP11)

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (RkRxq)

50 If this commission had come up with a reasonable recommendation - like impeaching the current White House occupier - then I could have gotten behind it, but to try and create a new national sales tax just shows that this commission never wanted to do anything but shoot itself in the stomach.

Personally, I'd like to have the members of this commission (and all involved in putting it together) held liable for the money and time they have wasted.  That includes Paul Ryan.  He should have had more brains than to take part in this pathetic joke.  He was pretty dumb in enthusiastically taking part in that asinine health care zombification summit, too.  I know that lots of conservatives like Ryan, but I think he's an ass who doesn't know jackshit.  He's a backstabber-in-waiting.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (G/MYk)

51 Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 12:32 PM (OWjjx)

I agree.  We shouldn't be calling them RINOs unless they're RINOs.  I don't know about Shelby, but my understanding is that Inhofe is fairly conservative.  Being wrong != RINO.

The Maine Twins, McCain, Grahamnesty, et al. are RINOs.

Or would you say that if, say Jim DeMint voted for something non-conservative (say, an expansion of No Child or something like that), he would suddenly be a RINO?

The same stuff was said about Fred Thompson during the 2008 Primaries (He wasn't really a Federalist because he supported McCain-Feingold).  One mistake does not erase all the good one does.

Now, I could be off-base with Shelby and Inhofe- I don't know enough about either to make definitive statements, but let's let words mean what they really mean and not just "I don't like him" or "I'm mad at him right now."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 07:38 AM (8y9MW)

52

Zach Greinke?

RINO

That is The Greatness That is............Zach Greinke.

And that would be Cy Young Winning RINO, sir.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:39 AM (OWjjx)

53 God... the hiring freeze is such a stupid red herring.

And the fact that it's a red herring actually makes me feel bad for the government employees. Freezing or cutting their pay, or laying them off, doesn't materially affect the deficit... so what's the point in restricting their pay or cutting their jobs? It creates (an admittedly little) more misery with no actual benefit.

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at November 30, 2010 07:40 AM (flZnZ)

54

So Richard Shelby and James Inhofe are RINOs?

Proving once again that at AOSHQ, the definition of a RINO is......a Republican who does not agree with me.

See, I don't agree with these 8 voting against the Ear Mark Ban. But we toss the term RINO around here so casually, that it is almost losing its meaning.

Posted by: Mallamutt

 

A fair point, if we can argue that earmarks are not anathema to the platform of the national Republican party.

 

If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican  that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 30, 2010 07:40 AM (R2fpr)

55 If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt? Posted by: Blue Hen at November 30, 2010 12:40 PM (R2fpr) Politician

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 07:41 AM (0GFWk)

56 Thought you'd like that...(too bad Larry Fitzgerald couldn't get you over the hump).

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 07:41 AM (fOo+M)

57 The whole process is more kabuki. Our own party will orchestrate a pageant for our benefit, all the while making sure that it is geared to fail to maintain the benefits that enrich them.

Our government is at war with the people.  Both parties view us as the enemy.

Posted by: nickless© at November 30, 2010 12:38 PM (MMC8r)

As well they should.

I've heard speculation as well that among the goals of the kabuki is Clinton-style triangulation by Obama.  But fear not!  Like everything else, he'll fuck it up.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2010 07:41 AM (xxgag)

58 30 Richard Shelby (Al.), Lisa Murkowsi (Ala.), George Voinovich (Ohio) and Dick Lugar (Ind.).

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 12:26 PM (Cm66w)

Murkowski is from AK.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 30, 2010 12:29 PM (McG46)


Word.  You can't blame us for that Charlie Foxtrot.

Shelby, meh.  That one's ours.  Apparently needs remedial budgeting classes, which disappoints me.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at November 30, 2010 07:42 AM (GBXon)

59 Re 45, 47 Whenever I need to try and predict how anyone in the government will react to a given situation I always ask myself one simple question: "What would a complete and total wanker do in this situation?" Sadly, the answer to that question ALWAYS predicts the outcome perfectly.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 30, 2010 07:43 AM (02uN6)

60 Penfold wrote
32 In your call for cutting federal wages, we should include cutting the benefits for all the elected officials, say 95% pay cut for Congress critters (and tax them on their perks as income)

Actually the topic of conversation at work this AM

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:43 AM (H+LJc)

61

mallamutt

 

....6 of the 8 are rinos..... the other two have a case of being in washington dc too long....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:43 AM (Cm66w)

62 Anyone listening to Rush Limbaugh? He's been mentioning Ann Althouse in the context of  his Assange/sissy monologue.She wrote a post mildly chiding him for the usual  "using negative stereotypes" stuff.  He said he'll get back to the topic again.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 30, 2010 07:43 AM (Z6Mgb)

63 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 30, 2010 12:40 PM (R2fpr)

I would say that Earmarks themselves are not an anathema to the Republican Platform- it's what they've come to represent which is so bad.

So, yes, I'd call this stupidity on display.

How about Temporarily Deficient Conservative?  TDR?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 07:44 AM (8y9MW)

64 Remind me again why it is a good strategy to run these RINO cocksuckers for office instead of a Conservative who might lose.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 30, 2010 07:44 AM (o3bYL)

65 If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt? Posted by: Blue Hen at November 30, 2010 12:40 PM (R2fpr) "Republican"

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:44 AM (AZGON)

66 If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican  that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt?

Funny, I thought 'Republican' sufficed...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at November 30, 2010 07:44 AM (GBXon)

67

 Thought you'd like that...(too bad Larry Fitzgerald couldn't get you over the hump).

Well, if Kenny Anderson could throw a football ---

wow, I haven't been kicked this hard since the oldest daughter came home and announced she wanted to go to the Ke$hia concert.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:45 AM (OWjjx)

68 Get outta my head, George.  It's crowded in there as is.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at November 30, 2010 07:45 AM (GBXon)

69 great minds... 69!

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:46 AM (AZGON)

70 Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at November 30, 2010 12:44 PM (GBXon)

Well, it get's so hard to say "Republican who actually did something smart" vs "Republican acting true to form," vs "Republican who really screwed the pooch." all the time.  Think of the extra labels as conversational short-hand.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 07:47 AM (8y9MW)

71

....6 of the 8 are rinos..... the other two have a case of being in washington dc too long....

and thank you for proving my point. Let us not really think about what they are doing, why they are doing it or what their arguments are. Just grab the extra wide brush and paint away.

And no, Thad Cochran is not a RINO either. He is just.....wrong.

And people are going to be wrong. That happens.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:47 AM (OWjjx)

72 @71 - If George Orwell is in your head, you have some potentially major problems...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 07:48 AM (8y9MW)

73 If George Orwell is in your head, you have some potentially major problems... You have no idea.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:49 AM (AZGON)

74 I don't give a fuck what trivia category they fit into.  This is a clear issue.  They voted with the wrong side.  Fuck them where it hurts.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 30, 2010 07:49 AM (o3bYL)

75

 I haven't been kicked this hard since the oldest daughter came home and announced she wanted to go to the Ke$hia concert.

The answer is 'No, and No'.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 07:50 AM (fOo+M)

76 Is Mitt Romney responsible for Obamacare and the current state of the Massachusetts Health Care system?

Maybe not, but he's responsible for the original RomneyCare. That's enough to sink him.

Posted by: Ken at November 30, 2010 07:50 AM (fFh95)

77

Obama as 2012 candidate. Its the symbolism, not he substance that matters.

Talking about daily prayers, freezing salaries... next thing you know he will be wearing a flag pin on his lapel. As long as the press reports it and the masses abosrb it, there will be enough dolts who fall for it.

Posted by: swamp yankee at November 30, 2010 07:50 AM (3DIBw)

78 If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican  that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt?

Funny, I thought 'Republican' sufficed...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at November 30, 2010 12:44 PM (GBXon)

"Republican in other than campaign mode"?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2010 07:51 AM (xxgag)

79 If they are, then might we not coin a term for a Republican  that indulges in the odd bone headed stunt?

If you enumerate the spellings of Democrat and Republican you will see that Republican is the square of Democrat.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:51 AM (H+LJc)

80
Re: 83
Sorry, I should have pointed out the common denominator was the stupid factor

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 07:53 AM (H+LJc)

81 f you enumerate the spellings of Democrat and Republican you will see that Republican is the square of Democrat. Republican modulo Congress = Democrat --from Boole's Theory of Political Logic

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 07:55 AM (AZGON)

82

well the "wrong" republican's that vote with libs and rinos are in danger of being lumped together with libs and rinos and that's just the way it is.....perhaps they should pay more attention to whom they are voting with....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:57 AM (Cm66w)

83

A fair point, if we can argue that earmarks are not anathema to the platform of the national Republican party.

Well, I actually think you can. See, the larger issue is not how the money is spent (earmarks, the regular appropriate process, Ouji board or a high stake game of poker) it is how much and how the money is spent.

Now, granted, the overwhelming amount of earkmarks (oh, lets conservatively say 99.9%) are spent on pet projects, which, just by coincidence, are helpful in getting the earmaker re-elected.

My actual objection to earmarks is not the spending (again, if we were not running massive deficiets and they were not being wasted on intrusive government projects) but the corruptive influence the earmark process has on elected officials. This is similar to John McCain's argument about why earmarks should be banned (and, by the way, do we have a name for a RINO who is right?). I am not going to bore you with a long discussion on this, just see Jack Abramahoff.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 07:57 AM (OWjjx)

84 We interrupt this thread to bring you more pearls of wisdom from the Retard-in-Chief.  At his press conference, now, about his meeting with GOP leaders, he explains that there are differences due to:

"deeply held principles to which each party holds".

Can that guy orate, or what?  Awesome!

That's all for now.  Carry on.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 07:58 AM (G/MYk)

85 ....or is this just their ploy to show how they can reach across the aisle......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2010 07:59 AM (Cm66w)

86

What is more nauseating:

Governing Obama who flaunts his radicalism and his disdain for the US and Western Allies and shoves it in our face.

Campaiging Obama who hides his radicalism and his disdain for the US and Western Allies, embraces symbolic moderation, but still governs like a radical.

Posted by: swamp yankee at November 30, 2010 08:01 AM (3DIBw)

87 more pearls of wisdom from the Retard-in-Chief. At his press conference, now, about his meeting with GOP leaders, he explains that there are differences due to: "deeply held principles to which each party holds". Honestly, how can even the MFM still tell us Barry is a master orator and statesman without bursting into howls of laughter? Those guys never fall out of character.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 08:01 AM (AZGON)

88 The deficit reduction wave is over.

Posted by: Greg at November 30, 2010 08:02 AM (ZyTNp)

89 ....or is this just their ploy to show how they can reach across the aisle......

Ummm...they just reach into each others pants.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 08:03 AM (H+LJc)

90 more pearls of wisdom from the Retard-in-Chief. At his press conference, now, about his meeting with GOP leaders, he explains that there are differences due to: "deeply held principles to which each party holds". Barry also told reporters "When the sun goes down, it gets dark, with great regularity, and this is due to the lack of light from the sky."

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 08:04 AM (AZGON)

91 and, by the way, do we have a name for a RINO who is right?

A broken clock?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 30, 2010 08:05 AM (ZyTNp)

92 The deficit reduction wave is over. You're probably right. And as someone pointed out upthread, the next Congress won't reduce spending by a penny, much less even freeze it. The current system of political control will never, ever change our course fundamentally.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 08:05 AM (AZGON)

93

Posted by: Ken at November 30, 2010 12:50 PM (fFh95)

You really need to post in big bold font. All the really cool thread jackers and campaign hacks do it.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 30, 2010 08:06 AM (OWjjx)

94

24 Mr. Scribbler:
What we really need is a no-exceptions pay freeze of the few government employees left after a majority of D.C.'s agencies, "boards" and "commissions" are permanently shut down.

That's exactly right and that's why something that bold is not on the table.

What Obama is proposing, this supposed "pay freeze" is a complete lie.  Not one single person in the the federal govt will see their pay freeze, everybody will continue to get their raises, and most likely get "promoted" too, so that they get an even bigger raise.

Last summer in Illinois, the worthless whiny Gov Quinn gave his staff a 20% raise, courtesy of the bankrupt taxpayers of the state.  Citizens and the press noticed and started complaining.  So did Quinn do the right thing and rescind those 20% pay raises?    Hahahahahah.

No, what Quinn did was "furlough" his staff every Friday.  So now, the underworked and overpaid Quinn staff works a four-day week, but gets paid what they used to get paid for a five-day week.  Scumsucking pols in action.

Posted by: Boots at November 30, 2010 08:06 AM (neKzn)

95 differences due to "deeply held principles to which each party holds".

Another lie. The Democrats single unifying principle is "get votes" and it ain't that deeply held. Wanting to destroy a country isn't a principle.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 30, 2010 08:06 AM (ZyTNp)

96 Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 01:01 PM (AZGON)

They've all been secretly replaced with Lifelike Androids made by the Japanese.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 08:07 AM (8y9MW)

97
96....
Which is why I predict a howling of grievous cacophony by 2014

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 08:07 AM (H+LJc)

98 Yet another blue ribbon panel that accomplishes nothing.

Yet the Death Panels will be ruthless in their inefficient efficiency.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 08:11 AM (H+LJc)

99 Great. The Hill just reported that Eric Cantor wants to include bits of the Hellcare law in the Republican proposal, including keeping 26 year olds on daddy's plan.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 08:12 AM (AZGON)

100 from the Hill today: House Majority Leader-designate Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Monday that Republicans will not be seeking to completely scrap the healthcare reform law.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 08:17 AM (AZGON)

101

103 Great. The Hill just reported that Eric Cantor wants to include bits of the Hellcare law in the Republican proposal, including keeping 26 year olds on daddy's plan.

I just cannot fathom how stupid these guys are........did they not pay attention during the primary season, when some of their big republican pals lost their primaries?  Did they think the huge republican wave on Nov 2 was to reward their spendthrift, boneheaded ways? 

The economy isn't getting any better, and two years from now the guys who think they can keep promising us the spending is going to be cut, while they continue to spend to their heart's content, well, they can be voted out too. 

Unemployed people have lots of time on their hands, time that can be used to organize more turnouts of turncoat traitors in DC.

Posted by: Boots at November 30, 2010 08:20 AM (neKzn)

102 from the Hill today:

House Majority Leader-designate Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Monday that Republicans will not be seeking to completely scrap the healthcare reform law.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 01:17 PM (AZGON)

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Cantor's an idiot.  I've just had enough of him.  He held strong for a few votes.  Good for him.  He says something correct every once in a while, but, he really sucks shit, otherwise.  I put him in the same catgeory as Paul Ryan - both of whom would run to the Oval Office and get down on their knees just to get one little idea of theirs agreed to by the Indonesian - while giving away everything else.  Pathetic.

I can't stand these dipshits.  Really.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 08:25 AM (G/MYk)

103
105 I just cannot fathom how stupid these guys are.....

see #83 & #84

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2010 08:27 AM (H+LJc)

104

107 see #83 & #84

Math is hard!!

Posted by: Boots at November 30, 2010 08:28 AM (neKzn)

105 Ryan's solution for "fixing" Medicare makes me feel much less enthused about the guy.. I loved how he smacked down Obama at the health care summit, but this Medicare solution is just plain stupid.

Right now, Medicare pays out, on average, about $11,000 per enrollee per year.  But, the real costs per person vary wildly.  A person just starting out on Medicare at 65 who is in good health, only takes a very small amount out of the system in a year's time (in some cases less than their premium).  Where a person at the end of life is taking out tens of thousands, if not more.

Privatizing Medicare is not the solution. It does 2 things:

1. It adds a profit for the private insurer on to the bill for all of us.. Medicare is fairly efficiently run as far as overhead goes.  That's not the problem.

2. It puts the responsibility for denying coverage on the private insurer, which I suspect is Ryan's real reason for proposing it.

So, let's stop fooling ourselves.. Let's bite the bullet and take a hard look at what we are allowing for Medicare claims.  Bump up the co-pays on some items.. completely cut out other items (like the fucking scooter and electric wheel chair scam they got going).

And, let's just face it.. end-of-life care is where the bulk of Medicare dollars go.  Spending $100k for an 80 yr old with cancer to live 2 months longer is where the bulk of our money is going.  We, as a society, either have to decide to go on funding that, or come up with a less costly solution.  Hard choices, yes.. but choices we need to make.


Posted by: ChiTown-Jerry at November 30, 2010 08:32 AM (f9c2L)

106 Another bucket of warm spit.  And totally predictable.

Sure wish the MFM would call it as it is, a cynical move by Obama to avoid the nasty biz of downsizing, getting it off the table pre-election. 


Posted by: Boris Yeltsin at November 30, 2010 08:36 AM (4sQwu)

107 There are days when I think the only solution to our problems is mass arrests of all members of Congress, Osama Obama, and the heads of all gubmint agencies, and this is one of them. I so want to see the barred-windows buses and armed police rounding up every friggin' one of these worthless shits.

Drudge has an "interesting" story on John Conyers: http://bit.ly/hyApdc

The entitlement mentality in D.C. has gone too far. We'd be better off with no national government for a few months -- while we held new elections in which no incumbents would be allowed to run (or vote) -- than we are with the current crop of self-righteous, free-spending gasbags.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 30, 2010 08:38 AM (Ulu3i)

108

Govt employee here. I'm in the defense engineering blah blah vagueries field... and I am sad but not particularly miffed by the freezes.

I do want to trade up to one of them fancy jobs that actually set that $100k whatever average... hell, to even GET the average would be nice.

Posted by: AlexanderTheLousy at November 30, 2010 08:55 AM (MLJu8)

109 104 from the Hill today:

House Majority Leader-designate Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Monday that Republicans will not be seeking to completely scrap the healthcare reform law.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 30, 2010 01:17 PM (AZGON)

As predicted, mm-kay?  None of the Rs have the desire, much less the stones, for an outright repeal of O'care.  For so long as the GOP remains the ostensible party of limited government, all of us who support limited government are unrepresented--and screwed.  Go ahead and let me know when folks are ready to talk about alternatives to the GOP.

Posted by: Bill Lumbergh at November 30, 2010 10:47 AM (K/USr)

110 What about civilian govmint employees who risk their lives for America? Intelligence operatives, say, or the civilian defense employees who were on the job in the Pentagon on 9/11. You figure they're just as overpaid as the gals over at the Department of Education, or the nest-featherers at HUD?

Just sayin', just wonderin'.

Posted by: J. Moses Browning at November 30, 2010 11:07 AM (i5153)

111

"What we need is a federal pay cut (5% for starters) and a hiring freeze combined with workforce reduction"

As a federal employee, I call bull on the pay freeze and any pay cut. I work my ass off for less than I was making in the private sector almost ten years ago. The best way to cut the government payroll costs is to start firing all of the union members that don't do anything but collect the same pay as the people who work. You'd get a reduction in manpower, a significant savings in payroll, and not have any government services affected.

And get rid of all the idiots hired for this stupid Obamacare crap.

Posted by: Former Lurker at November 30, 2010 11:16 AM (ZOl9N)

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