April 30, 2010

Damnit: Judge Rules That Obama Does Not Have To Testify In Blago Case
— Ace

Not even by videotaped deposition, it seems. Though I am guessing at that, based upon the completeness of the judge's statement quoted here:

"The testimony of the president is not material to this case," U.S. District Judge and noted curmudgeon James Zagel said today in issuing the ruling.

If anyone knows for sure -- if the judge meant in-person testimony (as Blago moved for) wasn't material, but is still allowing videotaped questioning -- please let me know.


Posted by: Ace at 12:27 PM | Comments (88)
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Posted by: Obama at April 30, 2010 12:28 PM (A6JXc)

2 Are you kidding me??!!  I thought he'd have to testify at the very least via closed circuit TV. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:29 PM (UOM48)

3 I urge the Senate to move swiftly on the confirmation of Supreme Court nominee James Zagel.

Posted by: Barack H. Fuck You I Won Obama at April 30, 2010 12:29 PM (H9J8z)

4 A deposition is not going to happen but Judge Zagel did leave the door open to the possibility of one round of Truth or Dare.

Posted by: Cicero at April 30, 2010 12:32 PM (QKKT0)

5

and blago walks on the appeal

sickening

Posted by: policiademarinajose at April 30, 2010 12:32 PM (gg4j2)

6 This administration is the crookedest, sleeziest, lyingest, bunch of thugs ever.  Someday someone will write a tell-all book.  Unfortunately, it will be too late.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:33 PM (UOM48)

7 If anyone knows for sure

The judge gave Blago's guys the judgey equivalent of a fake phone number.

No.

Posted by: oblig. at April 30, 2010 12:34 PM (x7Ao8)

8 Nope, nada.  the despot will not have to be deposed.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 12:35 PM (7VvJB)

9 Someday someone will write a tell-all book.  Unfortunately, it will be too late.

By that time 60% of the population will be illiterate anyway.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 30, 2010 12:35 PM (H9J8z)

10

Can't say that I'm surprised here.  Too bad though, would have been fun to watch. 

Hopefully Blago has other ways to impeach Rezko's character (which was the stated purpose for requesting Obama's testimony).  It was a nice try.

Posted by: Mayday at April 30, 2010 12:37 PM (TRgli)

11 Awww shucks!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 30, 2010 12:38 PM (CoBtF)

12 If Zagel had ruled otherwise he'd have SEIU goons all over him.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at April 30, 2010 12:39 PM (I1/U/)

13 I thought the standard for "material" was very, very low.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2010 12:39 PM (1fanL)

14 i thought that teh only way you know if a testimony is material is to hear the testimony?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 30, 2010 12:41 PM (aupsu)

15 This will be appealed.  Judge was appointed by Reagan, born in Poland.  Sounds like Blago was a good chance of getting off because of this, unless it is overturned.

Posted by: Kemp at April 30, 2010 12:41 PM (2+9Yx)

16 Judge got a fish wrapped in newspaper. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:42 PM (UOM48)

17 Looks like it depends on if Rezko testifies.

Blago wants to use Obama to impeach Rezko's testimony. If Rezko doesn't testify, there's no need to get Obama in, since the purpose of his testimony won't be at issue.


Posted by: DrewM. at April 30, 2010 12:43 PM (9B5OK)

18 Tiger misses cut with +9, 10th from the bottom.  Two double bogeys on back 9.  Guess all he could think of was getting over to The Men's Club to see his old girl friend dance.

Posted by: Kemp at April 30, 2010 12:43 PM (2+9Yx)

19 So Blago is inferring Barry and Rahm are liars.  And Barry gets a pass on testifying.  What about Rahmbo?  Damn, I just want proof that Barry and Rahm are a couple of lying douchebags.  And an impeachment.  A girl can dream, can't she?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:44 PM (UOM48)

20 12 If Zagel had ruled otherwise he'd have SEIU goons all over him.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at April 30, 2010 05:39 PM

But they'd be "mostly peaceful"

Posted by: The MSM at April 30, 2010 12:44 PM (sYxEE)

21 16 Judge got a fish oil-covered otter wrapped in newspaper. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 05:42 PM (UOM4

FIFY 

Posted by: conscious, owner of crazy bulldog at April 30, 2010 12:45 PM (YVZlY)

22 Whew! That was close!

Posted by: obama at April 30, 2010 12:46 PM (aag4W)

23 Conscious, I swear I nearly used an otter.  Seriously.  Get outta my head!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:46 PM (UOM48)

24 By "not material", I mean "Michelle has my kids".

Posted by: The Honorable James Zigel, Extraordinary Pussy at April 30, 2010 12:46 PM (DqOUV)

25 Tiger misses cut with +9, 10th from the bottom.  Two double bogeys on back 9.  Guess all he could think of was getting over to The Men's Club to see his old girl friend dance.

Posted by: Kemp at April 30, 2010 05:43 PM (2+9Yx)

Or girl #122.

Posted by: Editor at April 30, 2010 12:46 PM (pUfK9)

26 OT: BREAKING NEWS: Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana http://bit.ly/aClwlZ

Posted by: conscious, owner of crazy bulldog at April 30, 2010 12:47 PM (YVZlY)

27 Bummer drag.

Posted by: Annabelle at April 30, 2010 12:47 PM (EXUK4)

28 I just had a brilliant idea.  The Coast Guard could tow the Wookie behind a cutter with her mouth open and clean the Gulf in record time.  Do it for the country, Michelle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:48 PM (UOM48)

29 Second drilling rig overturns

Everybody ran to one side, didn't they?

Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson at April 30, 2010 12:48 PM (DqOUV)

30 A girl can dream, can't she?

Please record the duration and subject matter of any and all dreams you had this week in the space provided on the form, teabagger.

Posted by: Obama Dream Czar at April 30, 2010 12:49 PM (H9J8z)

31 The Coast Guard could tow the Wookie behind a cutter with her mouth open

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Posted by: Society for the Preservation of Krill at April 30, 2010 12:50 PM (DqOUV)

32  Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana

Wow.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at April 30, 2010 12:50 PM (mg/vv)

33 Obama was already taped when questioned by the FBI, I believe.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at April 30, 2010 12:51 PM (WZFkG)

34 Barry's just using his mind to overturn the rigs.  Has to be.  Or it's Michelle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:51 PM (UOM48)

35 26 OT: BREAKING NEWS: Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana http://bit.ly/aClwlZ

Hey everyone, tell us again what a bunch of conspiracy-minded nutjobs we are for thinking this stuff may not be an accident.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 30, 2010 12:51 PM (H9J8z)

36 Second drilling rig is a non-story.  It was being tugged to a scrap yard.

Posted by: Editor at April 30, 2010 12:51 PM (pUfK9)

37 I see an oil soaked wookie poster on an enviromentalist's wall.

Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2010 12:51 PM (aag4W)

38 Barry's just using his mind to overturn the rigs.  Has to be.  Or it's Michelle.

That's bullshit.  She uses her ass.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 30, 2010 12:52 PM (DqOUV)

39 Damn it Morgenholz you stole my Wookie thunder there!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 30, 2010 12:52 PM (pLTLS)

40

ms d'oh:  i cannot believe that you suggest that our tone-armed FLOTUS has a big mouth that could collect all that spilled oil.

it was the funniest comment i've read all day.  have a beer!

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 30, 2010 12:53 PM (FTgRA)

41 Meh.  The Precedent would just lie about everything, as he always does, anyway.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 30, 2010 12:53 PM (Qp4DT)

42 Barry's just using his mind to overturn the rigs.  Has to be.  Or it's Michelle.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Jane,
My guess it's Michelle's huge ass.  The water displacement must be incredible when she sits down in the Gulf.

It's science.

PS, glad to have you back.

Posted by: mpfs at April 30, 2010 12:54 PM (iYbLN)

43 Damn it Morgenholz you stole my Wookie thunder there!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 30, 2010 05:52 PM (pLTLS)

You had it coming.  You wanted it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 30, 2010 12:54 PM (DqOUV)

44

35 26 OT: BREAKING NEWS: Second drilling rig overturns in Louisiana http://bit.ly/aClwlZ

Hey everyone, tell us again what a bunch of conspiracy-minded nutjobs we are for thinking this stuff may not be an accident.

Well, it doesn't help that the linked site is full of 9/11 was an inside job!!!11!11!1!! links....

Posted by: Allahpundit, Omega Male Extraordinaire at April 30, 2010 12:55 PM (VmtE9)

45 Guys, any minute or so my effin internet is going to fizzle out.  Comcast says it's the "noise" in our area.  Funny it just started a few days ago. 

If ya'll don't hear from me in the ONT, that's why. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:56 PM (UOM48)

46 Guys, any minute or so my effin internet is going to fizzle out.  Comcast says it's the "noise" in our area.  Funny it just started a few days ago. 

If ya'll don't hear from me in the ONT, that's why.

See ya in the camps.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 30, 2010 12:57 PM (DqOUV)

47 I blame the otters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 12:58 PM (UOM48)

48 Well, it doesn't help that the linked site is full of 9/11 was an inside job!!!11!11!1!! links....

Reuters?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 30, 2010 12:58 PM (H9J8z)

49 Obama hates white fish.

Posted by: Kanye East at April 30, 2010 12:58 PM (7VvJB)

50 As dirty as Obama and the members of his administration are, you'd think something would surface during his term in office. There are just too many involved for one of them to not slip up.  At least I can hope someone does.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at April 30, 2010 01:00 PM (YVZlY)

51 Laugh it up, fuzzball.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 01:00 PM (QMtmy)

52 What did Joey B know and when did he know it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 01:00 PM (UOM48)

53

38 Barry's just using his mind to overturn the rigs.  Has to be.  Or it's Michelle.

That's bullshit.  She uses her ass.



Damnit, there's a joke in there somewhere.  But I'll be damned if I can find it.

(it's waaaaay too dark
)


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 01:01 PM (UaxA0)

54 It's as if millions of otters suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. You'd better get on with your exercises.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 01:02 PM (QMtmy)

55 My exercises consist of mass clubbing of otters.

Posted by: Editor at April 30, 2010 01:03 PM (pUfK9)

56


BTW, as for Blago, there are always depositions by written questions. 


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 01:03 PM (UaxA0)

57 Janet N. is on my Fox News.  What a beast.  And an incompetent one at that.

Oh noes, Ace!  They're showing a cute, fuzzy bird being rescued from Dauphin Island, AL.  (Seriously, I hope they are able to rescue as many critters as possible.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 01:03 PM (UOM48)

58 why did bambi cause this disaster for the Gulf Coast?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 30, 2010 01:05 PM (FTgRA)

59


13 I thought the standard for "material" was very, very low.


It's not what's "material," it's what is likely to lead to admissible evidence."

But this kind of subpoena is quashed all the time.  You don't get to depose the head guy even of a corporation, unless you have other evidence that he has something specific to say.

Blago's guys pulled the trigger too early, if they could have legitimately called BO in the first place.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 01:06 PM (UaxA0)

60 Barry hates otters, fish, sea birds, and fishermen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 01:07 PM (UOM48)

61

"The testimony of the president is not material to this case,"

Applies to Arizona laws too....

Posted by: KZnextzone at April 30, 2010 01:07 PM (veaqz)

62 Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Posted by: Otter at April 30, 2010 01:07 PM (QKKT0)

63 #61....and especially oil rigs and the crackers who work on them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 01:08 PM (UOM48)

64 I don't like this judge. Get us another one!

Posted by: Brass Monkey at April 30, 2010 01:08 PM (EwqJq)

65 36 Second drilling rig is a non-story.  It was being tugged to a scrap yard.

Would a rig being tugged to a scrapyard contain any significant amount of oil they'd have to worry might leak out? And regardless, this sure helps push the narrative a little further. GOSH, oil drilling is dangerous! We'd better put a stop to it.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 30, 2010 01:12 PM (H9J8z)

66 On appeal, Blago will argue (successfully) that he wasn't allowed to present direct evidence that would have acquitted him, and he'll walk.  Obummer won't say a freakin word!

Amazing - the pay to play trial is decided by a judge who paid to play.

Posted by: Dell at April 30, 2010 01:16 PM (IdpTe)

67 There probably isn't a conspiracy to create oil spills, but there will be a conspiracy to exploit them by anti-drillers.

Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2010 01:16 PM (aag4W)

68

Second drilling rig is a non-story.

Watch your mouth!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 01:16 PM (QMtmy)

69

On appeal, Blago will argue (successfully) that he wasn't allowed to present direct evidence that would have acquitted him, and he'll walk.  Obummer won't say a freakin word!

I still wonder, though, that when the trial goes forward, Dear Leader's name will be brought up in connections with Blago's dealings.  I'm sure he's still got a lengthy list of individuals who could crap on Dear Leader.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2010 01:22 PM (9abg4)

70 You need a "causal connection" in order to bring him into it and I'm sure they'll be instructions from the court, beforehand, to prevent that from happening.  This is Chicago, remember....somewhat of a "different world", IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: Dell at April 30, 2010 01:28 PM (IdpTe)

71 Blago wants to use Obama to impeach Rezko's testimony. If Rezko doesn't testify, there's no need to get Obama in, since the purpose of his testimony won't be at issue.

The judge may not want Obama to testify under any circumstances, but if he did, this would be the best thing to do.  Assert that Obama isn't necessary now and then if he is needed, bring him in.

This way, it's the prosecution that forces Obama's testimony.

I'm sympathetic to the argument that presidents/governors/etc. shouldn't be called to testify because it could lead to endless harassment.  However...Obama was a lawyer, went to law school and was a member of the bar.  He should have to show up in court if a judge feels like talking to him.  Part of the game and I think that people in Obama's position should be forced to testify as a matter of course, no matter how it inconveniences them.

It would teach us not to elect lawyers.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2010 01:28 PM (T0NGe)

72 It wasnt that the judge didnt want him to testify, its that they couldnt fit that many teleprompters in front of the witness stand in the court room.

Posted by: Conservative from nAZi at April 30, 2010 01:31 PM (SebJz)

73

My WAG is that the judge is ruling that the evidence may be relevant, but would not establish what Blago's attorneys' want to establish.

My second WAG is that an interlocutory appeal of the ruling has been filed, or will be Monday.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at April 30, 2010 01:47 PM (nlRuk)

74 Zagel was appointed to the bench by Reagan

Posted by: Math sez at April 30, 2010 01:47 PM (I+7Zv)

75 It's going to cost Tiger near a million bucks for every time he had sex with his wife. Can't blame him for wanting to get the club. Honest whores are way cheeper than wives if you have any money.

Posted by: ck at April 30, 2010 02:16 PM (FilQu)

76 The Coast Guard could tow the Wookie behind a cutter with her mouth open and clean the Gulf in record time.  Do it for the country, Michelle.
Yeah. But what would the other end be spewing?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 30, 2010 02:16 PM (ocax6)

77 The bead here in Chicago is that this is a really good judge.  A straight shooter who is known not to put up with a lot of crap and sideshows.  Blago and his lawyers will do all they can to turn this trial into a circus and the judge will have his hands full, but apparently is up to it.  It would have been nice to see the Prez being questioned but never, ever forget that Blago is a clown and a congenital, delusional liar. Many people are for some reason charmed by the superficial Blago, but hopefully the jury will not be. He is a menace.  The "sale" of the senate seat is sexy but is actually kind of small potatoes in the great scheme of all his nefarious acts that will be sending him to prison.

Posted by: ratskeller at April 30, 2010 02:22 PM (lZ4RJ)

78 Obastard's testimony may or may not be material to Blago's case, but it there a separate case to be pursued for Obama committing perjury?

Posted by: Crusty at April 30, 2010 02:57 PM (qzgbP)

79 Of course, Jack Ryan's sealed divorce settlement was material to...... what case, again?

Posted by: BuddyPC at April 30, 2010 03:25 PM (nSkOL)

80 >Boehner said he believes there is no seat nothing that the GOP cannot win fuck up during this election cycle

fixed it

color me pessimistic

Posted by: Jones at April 30, 2010 03:32 PM (JL3qV)

81 what? wrong thread? Oh.

Posted by: Jones at April 30, 2010 03:32 PM (JL3qV)

82 I can't say I was looking forward to a rerun of the media circus surrounding Monica Lewinsky.  And like the Lewinsky affair, even if Obama ended up being embarrassed it might not lead to his removal from office.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 30, 2010 03:43 PM (XIXhw)

83 Ain't that plumb peculiar? Ya'd think he was a King or something, Emperor Who Wore No Clothes, for example - ABOVE THE LAW AND ALL!

hhhmmmmm....

Love to hear the Founding Fathers on THIS ONE!

Alexander Hamilton:  It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that the state governments will in all possible contingencies afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority.

Alexander Hamilton:  The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the King of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable: There is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable, no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution.

Alexander Hamilton:  If it be asked, What is the most sacred duty and the greatest source of our security in a Republic? The answer would be,  "An inviolable respect for the Constitution and Laws".

Alexander Hamilton:  [Impeachable conduct is] misconduct by public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.

Alexander Hamilton:  The prosecution [of impeachments], will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust, and they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

George Washington:  The executive branch of this government never has, nor will suffer, while I preside, any improper conduct of its officers to escape with impunity.

Sir Winston Churchill:  The price of greatness is responsibility.

Joseph Stalin:  Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.

Posted by: Rose at April 30, 2010 07:43 PM (BYsJS)

84 I would guess that federal judge is as corrupt and as Obama.

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Posted by: iloveinwatch.com at June 14, 2010 05:07 AM (Tx7Zj)

86 So Blago is inferring Barry and Rahm are liars.
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Posted by: wwwcnncom at April 01, 2011 03:24 PM (MZOE7)

87 So Blago is inferring Barry and Rahm are liars.
yahoo news
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Posted by: wwwcnncom at April 01, 2011 03:25 PM (MZOE7)

88 Thank you

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