April 29, 2012

Dachau: April 29, 1945
— Dave in Texas

A white flag of surrender to the 42nd Infantry Division, United States 7th Army, over Himmler's self-described "first concentration camp for political prisoners." Later fitted with gas chambers and ovens.

A survivor's account.

Dachau Main Gate.jpg


Brigadier General Henning Linden reported this:

As we moved down along the west side of the concentration camp and approached the southwest corner, three people approached down the road under a flag of truce. We met these people about 75 yards north of the southwest entrance to the camp. These three people were a Swiss Red Cross representative and two SS troopers who said they were the camp commander and assistant camp commander and that they had come into the camp on the night of the 28th to take over from the regular camp personnel for the purpose of turning the camp over to the advancing Americans. The Swiss Red Cross representative acted as interpreter and stated that there were about 100 SS guards in the camp who had their arms stacked except for the people in the tower. He said he had given instructions that there would be no shots fired and it would take about 50 men to relieve the guards, as there were 42,000 half-crazed prisoners of war in the camp, many of them typhus infected. He asked if I were an officer of the American army, to which I replied, "Yes, I am Assistant Division Commander of the 42nd Division and will accept the surrender of the camp in the name of the Rainbow Division for the American army.

Liberated on this day, 67 years ago. After 31,000 people were murdered there. Which makes me pretty unconcerned about the reports of 7th Army soldiers executing prison guards.

I mean, I'd like to be polite and sorta care, except I'm not going to.

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Posted by: Dave in Texas at 03:41 PM | Comments (141)
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1 Good God , only sixty seven years ago .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 29, 2012 03:43 PM (npr0X)

2 My mom was liberated from Mauthausen along with her mother and 3 siblings. The others survived Nordhausen and my aunt survived Auschwitz. She passed away last week at 92. There just aren't any words.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 03:43 PM (Af3Wg)

3 While stationed in Germany I took the family to Dachau.  Absolutely stunning.  However, most of the camp had been torn down.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 29, 2012 03:43 PM (WUWb9)

4 jj sefton you are right, there are no words......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 29, 2012 03:44 PM (Ho2rs)

5

J.J. Sefton, your ironic name just got a whole lot more ironic to me.

 

Kind regards to you and your family, and your memories.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 29, 2012 03:45 PM (PjVdx)

6 It almost defies contemplation, the level of pure cruelty.

Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2012 03:47 PM (JkMci)

7 One of my uncles was in Germany and part of the army who were prisoners who had been kept as slaves in the little towns they were passing through.  He was a big, tough guy and he cried when he talked about it.  He never cried about being in the Battle of the Bulge.

Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2012 03:47 PM (bAGA/)

8 Anyone who wrings their hands about executing the Dachau prison guards needs to be slapped.  Repeatedly.  By me.  While I'm wearing gauntlets.


There are few things under Heaven and Earth that infuriate me more than mock moral outrage. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 29, 2012 03:48 PM (Gk3SS)

9 My mom was liberated from Mauthausen along with her mother and 3 siblings. The others survived Nordhausen and my aunt survived Auschwitz. She passed away last week at 92.

There just aren't any words.


*****

Thank God for their survival and that your aunt lived a long life.

It is not ancient history and the fact that what happened isn't required learning for all students is a crying shame.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2012 03:49 PM (piMMO)

10 Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Wow. No, no there are no words. Very sorry to hear about the passing of your aunt.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 29, 2012 03:49 PM (NG54J)

11 Shit, should read my comment before posting.

My uncle's unit in the army was liberating prisoners who had been kept as slaves.  He had no good feeling about the people in those towns.

Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2012 03:50 PM (bAGA/)

12

Inside one of the few remaining buildings there were a collection of what those nazi bastards did to the poor souls held prisoner in that hell hole.  Experiments on humans to see how long a person can stay alive while surrounded by ice cubes, how long someone will stay alive while being bled out, etc.  Our children were younger and had to take them outside because the photos were so intense.  Only had three of the ovens left.  Over the years the Germans have been taking down buildings and ovens to make it hard to get a feel for the actual scope of the hideous torture and killing operation.

 

The father of a good friend was an interpreter during the war.  He interrogated camp guards from Dachau.  The guards were really proud of themselves because in their twisted minds they did real well since it took the "whole world" to defeat them.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 29, 2012 03:51 PM (WUWb9)

13 Can we have a happy post?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 29, 2012 03:51 PM (mAm+G)

14 Hey Dave iT We went to Dachau a couple of years ago. It was a huge camp, and the Germans had done a good job of documenting what had happened, and who had died. A somber, beautiful moment was all but shattered when some idiot girl in short shorts and a tube top smacked her gum and said, wow, I guess this really did happen. I just thought it was in the history book at school. My husband had to restrain me from slapping the gum out of her mouth. God bless the survivors. Never forget.

Posted by: moki at April 29, 2012 03:52 PM (dZmFh)

15 Let us be ever vigilant for those who would revive national socialism under the guise of 'progressivism'

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 29, 2012 03:52 PM (8sCoq)

16 The guards were really proud of themselves because in their twisted minds they did real well since it took the "whole world" to defeat them.


****

Well, it only took one God, the God of those they persecuted, to pass judgement and send them to hell for what they did.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2012 03:53 PM (piMMO)

17 There are people today, in this country, who would do this and worse if they had the power.

Posted by: toby928ゥ at April 29, 2012 03:54 PM (NG097)

18 My husband had to restrain me from slapping the gum out of her mouth.


****

It sounds like she needed an education, and got one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2012 03:54 PM (piMMO)

19 Thanks everyone for your kind words and thoughts. My mom (who passed away last year) was only 16 when she was deported in '44, and she was among the youngest to go. Just as with the Greatest Generation, we are losing more and more of them each day. She once told me when the last of the survivors are gone, it wall all be a myth - just like the bastards in Iran and tragically most of the world are claiming it is. G-d bless the memories of those who perished and those wonderful G.I.'s who saved the world. Can't see the screen from the tears.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 03:55 PM (Af3Wg)

20 13-wow, I guess some one had gotten more documents and information in the camps when we went, either that or we just had a really good guide. JJSefton, I am so sorry for the loss of your aunt. What an amazing family you belong to!

Posted by: moki at April 29, 2012 04:02 PM (dZmFh)

21 j.j. sefton, no amount of words can express my shame as a Christian to the suffering you and your family endured.   There were too many that were silent and afraid when they should have been vocal and armed.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:02 PM (O3R/2)

22 She once told me when the last of the survivors are gone, it wall all be a myth - just like the bastards in Iran and tragically most of the world are claiming it is.



Whatever else I may think about Spielberg, the work he is doing with the Shoah Foundation to preserve the survivors' tesimony is invaluable.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 29, 2012 04:02 PM (Gk3SS)

23 JJ Sefton - Sorry to hear of your aunt's passing - but 92 is not a bad run.  I hope the last 65 years since the liberation made up in some small part for what she endured under the Nazis.  To have so many in your family.. truly no words ..

Your nickname finally makes some sense.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2012 04:03 PM (UTq/I)

24 I don't know who hxJOG is, but your comments are inappropriate on this thread.

Posted by: mama winger at April 29, 2012 04:03 PM (P6QsQ)

25 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2012 04:04 PM (7W3wI)

26 29 I agree, mama winger. This thread is not the place for that kind of stupidity.

Posted by: moki at April 29, 2012 04:05 PM (dZmFh)

27

It sucks to hear and isn't fun to contemplate but Christians in Africa are being slaughtered and blown up every day.

 

 

And you think we have it bad.

Posted by: ErikW at April 29, 2012 04:07 PM (Q8B8p)

28 Compare and contrast Dietrich Bonhoffer with Betsy Ten Boom.

One conspired to kill Hitler.  The other brought Jesus to the imprisoned.

Both died in a Germain prison camp.  The body of one of them did not suffer corruption.


Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:08 PM (O3R/2)

29 hXJOG is mocking Sharpton and Wright, who are Holocaust deniers and hate Jews.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 29, 2012 04:09 PM (PjVdx)

30 Jimbo- It wasn't Christianity that committed the Holocaust.

My son is named for a Catholic Priest who was killed in the camps. Many religious were rounded up for the Church's opposition to the maltreatment of the Jews, the mentally disabled, etc.

Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 04:10 PM (MJ76f)

31 Hey kids: The moniker is only because "Stalag 17" (and Holden) is a personal fave. As for my crazy Hungarian family, it is a miracle that all 7 children and 2 parents survived. I grew up with a lot of stories, and a lot of things that were too painful to be told. And Jimbo, you are right but I have no animosity towards Christians or Christianity. In the end, it is people and to be more precise, the individual that is either guilty or not. Hope to G-d that none of us are ever in a position to have to deal with life and death decisions like that. Sadly, the world is heading down the same path as it did in the 30's. The parallels are just too damned freaky.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:10 PM (Af3Wg)

32 Mum's uncle was a graduate of the big A. Had the blue numbers on his arm to prove it.

Holocaust deniers, or excusers, or just plain smug antisemites piss me off.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 29, 2012 04:11 PM (QTHTd)

33 Every time this subject comes up, I always picture that photo taken of a huge pile of glasses taken of the prisoners after exiting the trains.

Makes me tear up every time.

JJ- prayers for you and your family.

Posted by: momma at April 29, 2012 04:11 PM (oKsWl)

34 Father in Law survived Auschwitz. He died in 2008. "I remember when death was a luxury" was a phrase he repeated often. Imagine feeling like that. Looking around at other inmates in the morning and feeling like the ones who DIDN'T make it through the night were the lucky ones.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (jucos)

35 A family friend had a father who was jewish and mother who was german. He is and old marine veteran now and served in the vietnam war for the USA. Anyway, his father was a wealthy jewish merchant in Germany. Both of his parents were executed by the nazis. Fortunately, he made it to a catholic war orphan orphanage in Canada. He was 11 years old. He spent a few years in the orphanage and was adopted by a canadian physician who had tons of guns and was anti nazi. Anyway, the canadian physician ended up shooting himself in the head and died. he was shipped to a catholic orphange in USA and met an marine officer. The marine officer mentored him and he became a successful marine and purple heart recipient. However, he is still NOT a us citizen. But he still gets a marine pension.

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (lkdo/)

36 Never forget.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky aka Lolo Ate My Poodle at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (baL2B)

37 Corrie ten Boom spoke at my church when I was a teenager.  She was awe inspiring.

Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (bAGA/)

38

J.J. it woud amuse you to no end to know when my eldest girl decided to send me a gift outta the blue, for no reason, it was Gotye's new CD (she said "if old Steely Dan and Sting had a baby, it'd sound like this),

 

and a DVD of Stalag 17.  She's watched it with me before.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (PjVdx)

39 Agreed. The worst? FDR. He would not allow ships full of Jewish refugees from Europe to even dock in USA. He as a Yankee Jew hater.
Posted by: Billy Bob
...........
Most Americans did not want an influx of refugees in the middle of a depression, Bob.

However, European Jewish refugees were particularly affected..  at no time during the buildup to WW II were the quotas even nearly met.  I don't know if it was FDR, or his advisors or his bending to public opinion.  But, we could have done a whole lot more, that's for sure.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2012 04:12 PM (UTq/I)

40 The shame of the Germans is that there were so many Christians that did nothing.  It really was a great culture.  Hitler destroyed it.


Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:13 PM (O3R/2)

41 Kinda scary when a government has the power to separate their people by categories, and then do whatever they want with them.  Could it ever happen nowadays ?

Posted by: seamrog at April 29, 2012 04:13 PM (J2Ucn)

42 Kinda scary when a government has the power to separate their people by categories, and then do whatever they want with them. Could it ever happen nowadays ? Posted by: seamrog
........
It can always happen.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2012 04:15 PM (UTq/I)

43 Wasn't a lady who helped save many, many Jewish children during the war, bypassed for the Nobel Peace Prize so Odogma could win it?

Posted by: momma at April 29, 2012 04:15 PM (oKsWl)

44

Fuckin' Nazis.

Posted by: Walter Sobchek at April 29, 2012 04:15 PM (cDpBS)

45 One of the first thing that the Nazis did was burn over 1200 plus synagogues.

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:15 PM (lkdo/)

46 J.J. - I have no words. I can only hope that these two words will come true; Never. Again.

Posted by: teej at April 29, 2012 04:16 PM (auda5)

47 Two thoughts from having seen Dachau: 1. The rows of slab foundations there from long gone barracks are chilling 2. As you go through the museum displays, the scope of resources committed for trucks, trains and people that treated this process as "supply-chain" management is overwhelming

Posted by: billypaintbrush at April 29, 2012 04:17 PM (8DjJ6)

48 The most ironic thing was that the Germans were among the least antisemitic jerkoffs in continental Europe. The Vichy French on the one side and the Poles, Lithuanians etc on the other were so enthusiastic about shipping off their local Cohens and Levys that the German soldiers got creeped out by it.

But the good German, he followed orders, wrote up the paperwork, made sure that the bureaucracy was accountable . . .

*shudders*

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 29, 2012 04:17 PM (QTHTd)

49 My son is named for a Catholic Priest who was killed in the camps. Many religious were rounded up for the Church's opposition to the maltreatment of the Jews, the mentally disabled, etc.

Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 09:10 PM (MJ76f)

 

I don't remember the prison, but one had a building for Nuns.  It is my understanding they created awesome works of art from the most mundane items such as lint and small pieces of wood.  Does anyone know about them and could shed some light on them for this moron.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 29, 2012 04:18 PM (WUWb9)

50 I wonder sometimes how Spielberg manages to found the Shoah Foundation on one hand, while on the other hand supports obama, who bypassed Congress yet again, to send $192 million to the Palestinian Authority.

Posted by: Stormy will NOT be voting for the dog eater at April 29, 2012 04:18 PM (p4ThQ)

51

I visited Dachau while on a student tour of Europe 40 years ago. It was still mostly intact then. Our bus driver had served in the French resistance and refused to get off the bus. That had a big effect on me.  The year before this I went to Israel with my mother and one of our tour guides was a survivor of Treblinka.

 

My grandfather came to America from a small town in Poland in 1900. There were no Jews from that town that survived.

Posted by: rockmom at April 29, 2012 04:18 PM (ZdAo1)

52 "Fortunately, he made it to a catholic war orphan orphanage in Canada. " Family elderly friend who made it to a war orphanage in Canada said many orphan kids were executed by the nazis. He said that he was a lucky orphan.

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:18 PM (lkdo/)

53 Nazis, Communists and Islamists have one thing in common and that is reducing the humanity of others to the point where their adherents have no more compunction about killing them than a rat.

Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 04:18 PM (MJ76f)

54 1985, while stationed at Hahn AB my parents came up to visit me and one of the first places we visited was Dachau. Went through the tour and noticed a throng listening to some old guy. Curious, I went to the guy creating all the buzz in this tour. Turns out, he was a Pole and was a prisoner there. Explained out loud what was there and what had been torn down. Kind of like he was giving a tour. Really fucking freaky. I said nothing to him. I just walked up to him and shook his hand.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 29, 2012 04:19 PM (ZOf1l)

55 Posted by: momma at April 29, 2012 09:11 PM (oKsWl) Besides the tragedy of 6+ million lives snuffed out, how many great inventors, artists, entrepreneurs, spiritual leaders, comedians, healers, explorers, thinkers, generals, writers, etc. ad infinitum has the world been deprived of? Or just the simple but priceless pleasure of future generations of children whose laughter and joy parents and grandparents were deprived of?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:20 PM (Af3Wg)

56 My uncle was army intel. DDay, Battle of Bulge - he was one of the first ten into Dacuhau, the advance scout patrol. He took pictures with a dead Gernans camera cause the Army brass wouldn't believe the rumors. When he came back home, for the next sixty plus years, he never slept more than three to four hours at a time. I was his youngest niece and a family favorite. Later in his life he told me a few edited memories - the look in his eyes - I will never forget nor will I let my children forget.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at April 29, 2012 04:21 PM (kJsjV)

57 I went to Auschwitz a couple of years ago. The small original camp was interesting and had quite a lot of museum-type displays about what happened there.  Most people have seen pictures of the massive piles of hair, prostheses and kids toys and the effect of seeing all this in person really hits home.

Auschwitz Birkenau was different.  It was huge. You could walk alone and see other people only from a distance.  The sun was setting and I sat by one of the ruined gas chambers, looking at the actual steps where hundreds of thousand of women and old men were herded down into the "changing room."  Many had their kids in tow, and most already knew the truth.  Alone and in the silence, with just a light breeze blowing through, I could feel the emotions from that time.  It was an incredibly moving moment.

Posted by: Cicero at April 29, 2012 04:21 PM (qhHI4)

58 Our family friend who was in the war orphan orphanage said that when kids were selected to be adopted.. they were lined up in a line..and parents looking to adopt would look at a kid and say he is too ugly, too fat, wrong eye color etc. and move on to other kids. Not sure how the nuns allowed this.

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:21 PM (lkdo/)

59

51 Chi-town

That's my point, we're getting close. Cub fans are daft.

Posted by: seamrog at April 29, 2012 04:22 PM (J2Ucn)

60

Never again? Hell, it's happening now!

April 29, 2012

At least 20 Christians killed by Islamic terrorists at church service in Nigeria

Rick Moran

http://tinyurl.com/clh4wnp

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 29, 2012 04:23 PM (PY55X)

61 In 1962 Dachau looked nearly unchanged.  The place had an aura about it that made your neck hair  stand up.

   It was the look of pure evil.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2012 04:23 PM (SAMxH)

62 Hitler actually had the German communists executed. The German party was the German Socialist Worker Party (Hitlers party). The Hitler german socialist party was a twisted version of modern european and canadian socialism.

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:24 PM (lkdo/)

63 reducing the humanity of others to the point where their adherents have no more compunction about killing them than a rat

Any political system that lacks essential checks/balances will ultimately tend towards extreme treatment of its enemies IMO. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 29, 2012 04:24 PM (bezvC)

64 Wonder if Spielberg is a commie?

Posted by: Lampshade at April 29, 2012 04:25 PM (lkdo/)

65 Posted by: J.J. Sefton

My dad was in the 82nd Airborne during WWII and his unit liberated one of the smaller camps (it wasn't as large as Dachau but it was bad enough). He never got over the experience; I think it was the major reason why he died relatively young (heart attack at age 51).

I still miss him and honor what he did. I visited Israel in 1998 on a Christian religious pilgrimage that included a visit to Yad Vashem. At that time the historical display included some wall-size photographs of the liberation of the camps; one photo showed some American soldiers helping some survivors into the back of a truck to be taken to a field hospital for medical care. My dad was not one of the soldiers in the photo, but it reminded me of him so strongly that I sat down on one of the museum's benches nearby and started to cry. There was an IDF soldier walking through the museum who stopped and asked if I needed help and if he could help me. I explained that my father had been one of the soldiers who liberated the camps, that the wall display reminded me of him, and that I still missed him 34 years after his death. The soldier told me that my tears were nothing to be embarrassed  about-- that I should be very proud of my dad and that he was one of the Righteous among the Nations in the soldier's opinion. It was an encounter I will never forget.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 29, 2012 04:25 PM (3Yz0m)

66

When I walked into Dachau, what stopped me in my tracks was the sound. The gravel -- it's the same sound the prisoners heard every day as they were marched from building to building.

The structures have mostly been torn down, some rebuilt for display. But the sound is still there.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at April 29, 2012 04:26 PM (2Oas0)

67 Posted by: Stormy will NOT be voting for the dog eater

^^^

Does Speilberg have ties to J-Street? I bet if you peaked behind the curtain you'd see that he did.

tiny.cc/ey0jdw

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 29, 2012 04:26 PM (NG54J)

68 My dad, who was born here always used to praise FDR until my mom nearly exploded and gave him an education. Auschwitz was photographed from the air; it was well within range of the 8th and 9th Air Forces as were the railway lines. Aside from being a death factory, many industries built factories there to utilize slave labor so it was a strategic target. FDR forbade it from being attacked, let alone mentioned. The NY Times only mentioned that Jews were being massacred 6 times in as many years, and the stories were buried in the middle of the paper (sound familiar?). Years later my mom took my dad to Auschwitz and he broke down in sobs, to the point where she thought he was going to have a heart attack. I have not been there, but I will have to make the pilgrimage one of these days.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:27 PM (Af3Wg)

69 Hitler actually had the German communists executed...

They were a threat since the commies were in vogue at the time in certain European circles.  In practice it was a turf war between very similar evils. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 29, 2012 04:28 PM (bezvC)

70 Ammo Dump- I would love to hear that story.

My father in law was a Jew. He was very suspicious of Christians in general. After we named my son and I explained to him where the name came from he didn't say much about it. Years later he was excited to tell me that the local Jewish community had erected a monument to "Righteous Goyam" that included the man my son is named for.

The odd thing is the pass the Japanese get for the atrocities they committed. Sure people talk about "the rape of Nanking" but they were every bit as brutal and cruel as the Nazis. Look up Unit 731 and you will find nearly identical torture and experiments on prisoners to the things the Nazis did.

Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 04:28 PM (MJ76f)

71 75 Posted by: Basement Cat at April 29, 2012 09:25 PM (3Yz0m) G-d bless your dad's memory.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:28 PM (Af3Wg)

72 Do you doubt God's love? 

Don't. 

I have no doubt that every one of the 6 million or more that were murdered will be resurrected on the last day.  And I really look forward to spending the rest of eternity playing chess and bridge and shuffleboard with them, while enjoying the feast and the presence of the Lord.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:29 PM (O3R/2)

73

Wouk's "War and Remembrance".....

 

The film version had John Gielgud as the old man about to be gassed in the "showers".  That one scene is one of the most chilling and saddest things I have ever seen.  Mothers holding their children, naked, screaming in terror at what was about to happen, stripped of their dignity and terrified, and old John Gielgud crying as he knew what was about to happen.

A nice lady I used to work with was born in Germany and was a little girl in Berlin at the end of the war. Her sisters, her mother and herself were starving and terrified during the Russian occupation.

A British man I used to work with was a small boy in 1940 when the Blitz began, and can remember standing outside of his house as the Germans came over to bomb his town, or go on to bomb Manchester to the west.

My uncle saw one of the camps at the end of WWII, and he only makes fun of Jews when they buy German cars.  How could they buy German cars...what's wrong with them? And my father was in the Pacific war, and saw a lot of the hideous aftermath of the Japanese occupation.

 

War is Hell.  Lest we forget.

 

 

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at April 29, 2012 04:31 PM (RFeQD)

74 No one morns the 30 million Stalin killed. Or the 30 million Mao killed.

****

I don't know that I would say "no one."

The numbers of human beings who have been slaughtered for "the greater good" are more than the mind can comprehend.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2012 04:32 PM (piMMO)

75 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at April 29, 2012 09:28 PM (hXJOG)


In all honesty, the only thing we are told to remember about Stalin was what Solzhenitzyn said and the starvation of the Ukraine which I was never taught in school.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 29, 2012 04:33 PM (ZOf1l)

76 Cicero: I actually heard that Auschwitz was "too small". The deniers I'd mentioned say that a lot. The point was that Auschwitz was a death camp, and so didn't have to store the multitudes that Dachau, founded as a labour camp, stored. So Dachau was much bigger.

Dachau became a death camp later in the war when the Red Army took Auschwitz.

Birkenau, I dunno.

Weimar-Buchenwald is mentioned here: http://www.nizkor.org/ hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/ tgmwc-20-197-09.shtml [h.t Moldbug]

Buchenwald was a third thing, not a labour or a death camp - it was more a resettlement-facility / concentration camp. Actually a nice place ("it even had a brothel"). But the point was to lull people into security before they went off to one of the death camps.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 29, 2012 04:33 PM (QTHTd)

77 FDR forbade it from being attacked, let alone mentioned.

The IRC made several appeals to the FDR administration to allow the rail lines into Auschwitz to be designated a secondary bombing target if the primaries were overcast.  Curiously, the IG Farbin plant only a few miles away was repeatedly bombed on several occasions even though it has been rendered inoperative months previously.

Why FDR did what he did is obvious - from his POV he plainly knew the war was in the bag and the Germans were efficiently reducing the massive refugee problem the allies would be saddled with as soon as hostilities ceased.  Realpolitk in action.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 29, 2012 04:34 PM (bezvC)

78 My father, who is not at all religious and thinks this God business is a racket, will to this day not purchase anything made in Japan or Germany. That sort of inhumanity crosses all lines--nobody is immune when evil is present.

My dad was 15 and lied about his age to work in the shipyards in Seattle as a welder on the warships they turned out there. Some of his friends were taken to the camps in CA when they moved all of those of Japanese ancestry against their will. Oddly, one of his buddies was actually in favor of going, because he was certain that if the Japanese DID invade, they would be the first to be lined up and shot for "aiding and abetting." Strange things took place everywhere due to the evil that created that war.

Posted by: tcn at April 29, 2012 04:35 PM (WhSRj)

79 And the German doctors' great hero and inspiration was Margaret Sanger. They set up the T-4 program before the war to euthanize the handicapped, mentally ill and other miscreants that didn't meet up to the standards of the master race. Anyone who supports Planned Parenthood is a fool. Sadly, you can rub this in their face until hell freezes over and they still won't understand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:35 PM (Af3Wg)

80 81 75 Posted by: Basement Cat at April 29, 2012 09:25 PM (3Yz0m)


G-d bless your dad's memory.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 09:28 PM (Af3Wg)


God bless the memory of your aunt and all your loved ones who survived hell.


I should add that my church remembers the Holocaust-- the suffering of those who died and of those who survived-- every year on the Sunday closest to Yom HaShoah.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 29, 2012 04:36 PM (3Yz0m)

81 Otto the Great was crowned by the pope to the chants of "sieg and heil". This was the first reich. Otto Von Bismark was endorsed by the pope and had an alliance with Garibaldi of Italy. This was the second reich. Mussolni and Hitler had a secret concordat with the Vatican. This was the third reich. The next one comes with a "mark", and is forming now.

Posted by: nikkolai at April 29, 2012 04:36 PM (pSsN0)

82   
   Something that has always bothered me is how the Jewish people just allow themselves to be marched into these camps.

  Can't wrap my head around that.   Was it, do you suppose, that they simply could not comprehend the degree of evil they were faced with?   That such was so far outside their grasp it simply didn't register?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2012 04:37 PM (SAMxH)

83 Not sure how the nuns allowed this.
Posted by: Lampshade
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I'd say kids who were passed over because they weren't cute enough were better off without those parents.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 29, 2012 04:37 PM (pMd+I)

84 For morons, we are actually pretty savvy.  Never believe the lies.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:37 PM (O3R/2)

85 >>>No one morns the 30 million Stalin killed. Or the 30 million Mao killed.<<<

No one is taught about the 100 million or so sacrificed to the god, communism. I have seen kids wearing  the hammer and cycle and wanted to ask them, "Would you also wear a swastika?

Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 04:38 PM (MJ76f)

86 One of the priests at my parish survived Dachau. He was of the belief that God saved him to tell others about such horrors. He died a few years after I graduated from the parish school.

Posted by: SoupOrMan at April 29, 2012 04:38 PM (MYXe6)

87 Can't wrap my head around that. Was it, do you suppose, that they simply could not comprehend the degree of evil they were faced with? That such was so far outside their grasp it simply didn't register?
Posted by: irongrampa
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Did you ever read Maus? The guy explains it to his son, who basically says "There were more of you than there were of them! Why didn't you revolt?"

It was terror that kept them calm, although I'd like to think that with such an historical example, any group affiliation that got me marched off to ovens would be a group that wouldn't march.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 29, 2012 04:40 PM (pMd+I)

88 @65 - I think the same thing when I think about the 40M+ that have been murdered in the womb since Roe v Wade.

Posted by: teej at April 29, 2012 04:40 PM (auda5)

89 Mussolni and Hitler had a secret concordat with the Vatican.


Not so secret. The Vatican had been in all essence crippled during the late 1800's. They had nothing, not even a sovereign nation. The talks between the church and Mussolini were beneficial to the church because Mussolini gave the Vatican its power back. That they were allied initially was no coincidence.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 29, 2012 04:40 PM (ZOf1l)

90

C.J. - my father would never buy a German car, and I probably never will either. He also cursed FDR until the day he died. He was actually upset that I was visiting Germany on my trip to Europe because he didn't want any of his money being spent there. He was a funny and generous man, but he could become hard and mean at the mere mention of anything to do with Germany.

And there was plenty of anti-Semitism right here. My dad went to the University of Georgia in the 1930s when they had quotas for Jews. He came back to his dorm one night and found a swastika drawn on it. In medical school it was common for him to have to do extra work and be forced to take his exams orally when the rest of the class had written exams. One told him to his face that if he had a choice he would not have allowed a filthy Jew in his class.

Posted by: rockmom at April 29, 2012 04:40 PM (N2svL)

91 69. Hey!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe waiting for da cubs to win a f**king game at April 29, 2012 04:41 PM (ZrcV/)

92 95 Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2012 09:37 PM (SAMxH) First, please remember that in many countries, Jews were second class citizens by law. Germany only made them equal in the late 19th century. Second, it's the putting the frog into a pot and turning up the heat slowly analogy. Third, and my family can attest to this, no one in their right minds could wrap their heads around the fact that Jews were being shot and/or transported to death camps. Even to the last seconds, they were ready to believe that they would live. By the time they were transported, they had been starved and brutalized in the ghettos of Poland and when they were told that abundant food, lodging and work would be available to them, they leapt at the chance to get on the trains. Some knew otherwise, most just wanted to escape the hell they were in. Please watch Claude Lanzmann's "Shoah." It is 8 hours long, but it is mesmerizing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:42 PM (Af3Wg)

93 I was just reminded of this amazing and tear jerking video:

Kseniya Simonova - Sand Animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo

Posted by: momma at April 29, 2012 04:42 PM (oKsWl)

94 I've been to Dachau a couple of times when I was in the 7th Army in the late 70's.
There is an overused expression "there are no words" that would save time in description.
"Haunting" barely scratches the surface but hints at the residual memory.

For any fool to say that this didn't happen, he or she would have to fabricate an alternate reality of hateful ignorance to justifying man's inhumanity to man.
I know of a pseudo religion fitting that description.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 29, 2012 04:45 PM (aZ6ew)

95 Don't blame the victim.  Firearms and the right to self defense are not universal.

Yeah, if every Jew had a pistol.  

I hope that every Jew in America(and every non-Jew too) has a firearm.

Funny.  In 1980, I was considered crazy by my family.  I argued that the 2nd Amendment was necessary to protect us from tyranny.  LOL Why does the US Army not want to establish martial law?


Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:45 PM (O3R/2)

96 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 08:43 PM (Af3Wg)

Baruch Ata Adonai Eloheinu Melech Ha-olam Dayan Ha-emet.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 29, 2012 04:45 PM (nEUpB)

97 >>>>This was the second reich. Mussolni and Hitler had a secret concordat with the Vatican.<<<

Did this "secret concordat" include allowing the Nazis to exterminate thousands of the Religious of the Church?

You have read too much crap in your life.


Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 04:45 PM (MJ76f)

98 Anyway, you morons are the best. I am going to watch "The War" and "Shoah" as I do each year at this time. Even Ken Burns managed not to inject too much of his lib philosophy into that. "Shoah" is just utterly captivating. It's 8 hours long and when first released in 1985, you had the option of seeing it in two 4 hour segments over the course of two days. I opted for that but wound up sitting all the way through it in one go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 04:46 PM (Af3Wg)

99

I have a much better story, that of 27-year-old lieutenat colonel Felix Sparks, the head of the first detachment to reach Dachau. http://tinyurl.com/897f4cf.

What a hero


Posted by: jgm at April 29, 2012 04:48 PM (L6mI7)

100 Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 29, 2012 09:33 PM (QTHTd)

Of the five Aktion Reinhard camps (Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno and Birkenau), only Birkenau was not solely a death camp. It housed a large population of prisoners who were used for slave labor.  Look at a diagram of Treblinka -- it's tiny and has only enough barracks for the few sonderkommandos who were forced to help run the place.  Prisoners there were almost always killed on the day they arrived.  On the other hand, Birkenau had row after row of barracks.  It is definitely not "small" and some prisoners stayed there for months. 

It's pretty well accepted that about 1.3 million were killed at Auschwitz over three years.  That's only about 1300 per day.  With four large gas chambers at the height of its operation, this number seems credible.  Anyone who claims that this isn't physically possible had better back it up with some strong evidence.

Posted by: Cicero at April 29, 2012 04:49 PM (qhHI4)

101 Sometimes the news makes me think we are destined to relive all of it again.  Don't know where conservative capitalists are going to escape to but I ain't going to stick around long enough to be sent to the camps.

Posted by: Bob mostly-undead Saget at April 29, 2012 04:49 PM (dBvlk)

102 Did this "secret concordat" include allowing the Nazis to exterminate thousands of the Religious of the Church?

You have read too much crap in your life.


Read up on Pius XII and the postwar "ratlines" operated by the Curia.  It's pretty sickening.

Posted by: Cicero at April 29, 2012 04:51 PM (qhHI4)

103 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 29, 2012 09:46 PM (Af3Wg)

The mother of one of my wife's dearest childhood friends was liberated from Auschwitz (the rest of her family was murdered).

I sat and watched the Bat Mitzvah of one of her granddaughters, at which this woman danced and dined and laughed and loved life, while Hitler and the Nazis moldered in their graves.

They almost got us, but in the end, we beat them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 29, 2012 04:51 PM (nEUpB)

104 "There is one way to freedom. Its milestones are: obedience, zeal, honesty, order, cleanliness, temperance, truth, sense of sacrifice and love for the Fatherland."

When I saw this painted on the roof of one of the buildings, it kinda reminded me of "Barack will make you work blah blah blah"

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 29, 2012 04:52 PM (/kI1Q)

105 116 Sometimes the news makes me think we are destined to relive all of it again. Posted by: Bob mostly-undead Saget at April 29, 2012 09:49 PM (dBvlk) History doesn't repeat itself, it stutters. Somebody has been at war most of the last century, it's not that we're going back, it's that we never left. We had a run at thinking we'd left, and that felt good.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 29, 2012 04:53 PM (bxiXv)

106
   Fuck.     Evil scales well, doesn't it?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2012 04:53 PM (SAMxH)

107 Posted by: Basement Cat at April 29, 2012 09:25 PM (3Yz0m)

Thank you.

And God bless your father.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 29, 2012 04:54 PM (nEUpB)

108 My friends who are Jews, keep your faith.  Fear nothing, not even death.  Love much.  Yahweh loves you.  Death has been conquered.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 04:55 PM (O3R/2)

109 Did this "secret concordat" include allowing the Nazis to exterminate thousands of the Religious of the Church?

You have read too much crap in your life.


Read up on Pius XII and the postwar "ratlines" operated by the Curia. It's pretty sickening.
--------
This rant is supposed to be about the atrocities of Dachau by the Nazi's. The RCC never participated in the wholesale slaughter of European Jews, but in my opinion did not do enough. Go back to the time of Mussolini.


http://tinyurl.com/ccp3f

Posted by: Samuel Adams at April 29, 2012 04:57 PM (ZOf1l)

110 Wasn't a lady who helped save many, many Jewish children during the war, bypassed for the Nobel Peace Prize so Odogma could win it? Posted by: momma at April 29, 2012 09:15 PM (oKsWl) Her name was Irena Sendler, and she helped to smuggle 2500 children out of the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw. She spoke at my children's school in Warsaw just before she died, in 2008. A humble lady, she said she wished she could have gotten more children out. I won't even get started on why she was denied the Noble Peace Prize, in favor of the 2009 recipient.

Posted by: moki at April 29, 2012 04:59 PM (dZmFh)

111 Obama eats dog.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 05:00 PM (O3R/2)

112 The older I get, the more Jewish Mormon I become.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 05:02 PM (O3R/2)

113 We had a run at thinking we'd left, and that felt good.

Has there ever been a period in recorded history where there hasn't been some bad shit going on somewhere?  

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 29, 2012 05:02 PM (bezvC)

114 Has there ever been a period in recorded history where there hasn't been some bad shit going on somewhere?


We had a pretty good run.

Posted by: The Dinosaurs at April 29, 2012 05:07 PM (ZOf1l)

115 My dad has gotten to see most of the wonders of the XX Cent., up close and personal. One of the first to be attacked by IRBM's, in Belgium, one of the first to be strafed by jets, on the Rhine, an "invited guest" of Ike at Dachau, and, on this date, in the lead element liberating Stalag VIIa POW camp. 99th Infantry, only division in Europe to free its own men.

He says the hardest part of the camps was not the dead. It was the men who had been without food for so long that they could not be saved. They knew the Germans were gone, and they knew they were doomed anyway. Some couldn't even drink water.   

Posted by: Comatus at April 29, 2012 05:08 PM (ZOlM3)

116 The Libs keep thinking that with enough regulation they can change human nature. 

Posted by: Jimbo at April 29, 2012 05:08 PM (O3R/2)

117

I'm trying to muster up some feeling about the poor little Nazi guards who got summarily executed at Dachau, but I'm just not getting anything.

 

My Sympathy Meterツ must be off-line.

Posted by: Hayabusa at April 29, 2012 05:13 PM (B+qrE)

118 Dude, go to Saudi Arabara. You are a fucking second class citizen with NO rights, if you are a Christian.

That would be TODAY!


****

You know, Billy Bob, that this isn't an either/or proposition? It is okay to call the actions against Christians AND Jews deplorable, right?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2012 05:18 PM (piMMO)

119 My Dad, gone 22 years now, was a 1st LT in the Rainbow Division in charge of a recon group. He had volunteered and joined the "cavalry" because he'd grown up riding horses on a little farm outside Okemah, OK - quite a surprise when it turned out the cavalry was in jeeps and halftracks. He never talked much about the war. I came along late, and I think he'd had a lot of years to realize that folks that weren't there just were never going to get it, so he stopped trying. The few times when I could get him talking, if the talk ever turned to Dachau (which it almost always eventually did) he'd get very quiet and very serious. My Dad was the most cheerful and most christian man I have ever known - much more so than me, certainly. But liberating Dachau left scars on him, I think just knowing that any human was capable of that level of atrocity. May God bless those that made it through that horrid abomination, and may God bless the armed services of the United States of America, that ended that atrocity. There has never been a greater force for good in this sad, broken world than the U.S. sailor, soldier, or marine - God bless them all. Gotta go...must have something in my eye.....

Posted by: Bill_in_Kennesaw at April 29, 2012 05:25 PM (r/Bl1)

120 "Now, I don't know about y'all, but I sure as hell didn't come down from the goddamn Smoky Mountains, cross five thousand miles of water, fight my way through half of Sicily and jump out of a fuckin' air-o-plane to teach the Nazis lessons in humanity. Nazi ain't got no humanity."

Yeah, so some dogfaces shot some nazi prison guards? Boohoo, I ain't losing any sleep over that either.

Posted by: Lt. Aldo Raine at April 29, 2012 05:27 PM (1F2Fy)

121 I sat and watched the Bat Mitzvah of one of her granddaughters, at which this woman danced and dined and laughed and loved life, while Hitler and the Nazis moldered in their graves.

They almost got us, but in the end, we beat them.


Some months back I saw a clip on YouTube of Groucho Marx dancing at one of the camps, a fine old FU to the Nazis.

Naturally I can't find it tonight, or maybe YouTube got PC and pulled it.

Posted by: Retread at April 29, 2012 05:27 PM (joSBv)

122 Cicero-

Here is a snippet from the chief Rabbi of Rome during the Nazi occupation-


Rabbi Lapide records that "in Rome we saw a list of 155 convents and monasterie
Italian, French, Spanish, English, American, and also German mostly extraterritorial property of the Vatican . . . which sheltered throughout the German occupation some 5,000 Jews in Rome. No less than 3,000 Jews found refuge at one time at the Popeツ痴 summer residence at Castel Gandolfo; sixty lived for nine months at the Jesuit Gregorian University, and half a dozen slept in the cellar of the Pontifical Bible Institute."














Posted by: kdny at April 29, 2012 05:34 PM (MJ76f)

123 Twitter has suspended another conservative account: @ChrisLoesch #freeChrisLoesch get in there.

Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at April 29, 2012 05:40 PM (NFcOS)

124 The NAZIs did this because they believed it to be "scientific" according to their "social science." A hatred for "bankers" who "controlled" society was what gave the NAZIs power. Let us hope that the past is not prologue...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 29, 2012 05:57 PM (DoaFB)

125 Lest we forget, the NAZIs did not limit their slaughter to the Jews. The executed Gypsies, Homosexuals, and others. They also started with the handicapped. It was easy and socially acceptable to start with them, and in many circles it still is. As a brother to a handicapped woman (Downs Syndrome), this thought makes me shudder. NEVER AGAIN.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 29, 2012 06:12 PM (DoaFB)

126 Truly revealing Michelle Obama'sBarrack will makeyou work? Obama's versio of Arbeit Mach Frei! What is coming for America with the fascist that currently reign in Washington? Buy heat or die as slaves!!

Posted by: Old One at April 29, 2012 06:37 PM (V3jQe)

127 Not only is this the 67th anniversary, but it is the fifth Sunday of the month just as it was on that terrible Sunday my uncle went through the railroad gate into Dachau.  He never quite exorcised the demons that traumatised him so that day. RIP, Uncle Bud. 

Posted by: Mongo Mere Pawn at April 29, 2012 07:16 PM (OGWLt)

128 My father also served in the 42nd division during the war. Growing up, he mostly showed me photos of him and his buddies skiing, skating, or riding horses in Germany and Austria just after the war ended. After I did some research on the Rainbow Division, I asked him about Dachau. He face turned to stone but with a bit of a pained expression. I had never seen him look this way. All I could get out of him was he said while doing guard duty over the SS, his Captain told him if an SS man even looked at him funny he was to shoot him on the spot. I never brought up the subject with him again.

Posted by: pokermik at April 29, 2012 08:55 PM (GqPcx)

129 Got to see the place in 1966. This wasn't an 'execution ' camp like many of the other camps were per se, but the Nazis shot some 500 Russian prisoners there.

Posted by: torabora at April 30, 2012 02:21 AM (ApH8j)

130

Wow, that is a big difference between 31,000 and 500!

 

It should be noted that the present day record documents that Dachau was not an extermination camp, there were no mass executions there, and there were no gas chambers there, except for delousing.

Posted by: RFYoung at April 30, 2012 03:01 AM (gQZka)

131

kdny wrote: "My son is named for a Catholic Priest who was killed in the camps. Many religious were rounded up for the Church's opposition to the maltreatment of the Jews, the mentally disabled, etc."

 

Highly recommended: Priestblock 25487: A Memoir of Dachau by Fr. Jean Bernard.

 

Available at Amazon here: http://tinyurl.com/3cy6at

Posted by: John at April 30, 2012 06:55 AM (9196u)

132 day late posting; a cousin of my spouse was conceived at Auschwitz; spouse's father was held at Jasenovac by Croatians (although the Croatians made the Nazis a little uncomfortable with their murderous brutality); paternal grandmother burned alive in an Orthodox Church with 60 other women and children....may all of their memories be eternal

Posted by: the Butcher at April 30, 2012 07:03 AM (8g9qq)

133

It think it was Time that printed photos of American soldiers executing SS at Dachau.  The CO stopped it and reported it.  It went all the way to Patton.  He trashed it.

In my father's senior year of high school (1933) someone from Germany came to address his class.  He said that Hitler intended to annihilate the Jews and that much of Hitler's regime was being funded with aspirin (bayer?). 1933. Vestaburg Penna.  Find it on a map.  I dare you.  Don't tell me people didn't know.

Dad served as a B-26 pilot stationed in England.  I aked him about the reluctance to do more for the Jews.  He said it arose primarily that if the gov't was seen to expend resources and lives on them, there was enough anti-semitism that it was feared support for the war would be lost.

 

Posted by: eaglesoars at April 30, 2012 07:07 AM (6EfdN)

134 My great uncle was one of the first Americans to set foot inside the camp.  You can read his first person account here.
http://www.45thdivision.org/Veterans/Weiskircher157.htm

Page two has a sampling of the photos he took while at Dachau.  He has 2 or 3 full sized suitcases full of photos that he uses when he speaks to high schools about WWII and the holocaust.

Posted by: Bluegrass Conservative at April 30, 2012 07:14 AM (EjkX1)

135

The Political Hat wrote: "Lest we forget, the NAZIs did not limit their slaughter to the Jews.

The executed Gypsies, Homosexuals, and others.

They also started with the handicapped. It was easy and socially acceptable to start with them, and in many circles it still is.

As a brother to a handicapped woman (Downs Syndrome), this thought makes me shudder."

 

Indeed, it is often forgotten that the Nazi genocide began with the handicapped, as discussed in Jay Robert Lifton's "The Nazi Doctors," and Henry Friedlander's "The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution."

 

Check out "Action T4" on Wikipedia for the short version.

 

Rarely noted, also, is the fact that gentile Poles - millions of whom were killed in the camps - were, like the Jews and the Gypsies, specifically classified as "untermenschen" (subhuman) by the Nazis.

Posted by: John at April 30, 2012 07:39 AM (9196u)

136 US troops did indeed kill the guards, and who could possibly blame them?

12258


12262

The links are to photographs on the World War II Database. Once the above pages open, follow the "photos" links to get more of an idea of what was going on in the land of the national socialists.

Posted by: Pops at May 01, 2012 04:43 AM (43HCK)

137 US troops did indeed kill the guards, and who could possibly blame them?

12258

12262

The links are to photographs on the World War II Database. Once the above pages open, follow the "photos" links to get more of an idea of what was going on in the land of the national socialists.

Posted by: Pops at May 01, 2012 04:46 AM (43HCK)

138 Well I'm damned if I can get the links to work.

http://  ww2db.com/image.php?  image_id=12262

http://  ww2db.com/image.php?  image_id=12258

Copy and paste and remove the spaces.

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