April 30, 2010

Cute, Fuzzy Animals Doom America to Energy Dependence
— Ace

As "Drill, Baby, Drill" gains in popular support, stupid fate intervenes, and now we have friggen otters getting slicked by oil.

This is going to retard efforts immensely to expand domestic drilling. The Democrats have gotten lucky with a propaganda coup. Conservative politicians are going to de-emphasize this, and even run away from the issue for a time, and that's going to enrage many conservative voters, but that is life.

Pelicans, otters along La. shore in path of spill

Pelicans. Generally, Who cares about birds?, but pelicans are ugly-cute and thus have personality. And otters -- cute and fuzzy, forget about it.

Well-played, AP.

Oil from a massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico was starting to ooze ashore, threatening migrating birds, nesting pelicans and even river otters and mink along Louisiana's fragile islands and barrier marshes.

Crews in boats were patrolling coastal marshes early Friday looking for areas where the oil has flowed in, the Coast Guard said.

The leak from a blown-out well a mile underwater is five times bigger than first believed. Faint fingers of oily sheen were reaching the Mississippi River delta late Thursday, lapping the Louisiana shoreline in long, thin lines. Thicker oil was about five miles offshore. Officials have said they would do everything to keep the Mississippi River open to traffic.

The oil slick could become the nation's worst environmental disaster in decades, threatening to eclipse even the Exxon Valdez in scope. It imperils hundreds of species of fish, birds and other wildlife along the Gulf Coast, one of the world's richest seafood grounds, teeming with shrimp, oysters and other marine life.

And this is all happening as Graham wins on his desire to push a "bipartisan" climate/energy bill in the Senate which has lots and lots of establishment praise as a good bill. I doubt very much the establishment even knows what the hell is in it, but that has become the conventional wisdom.

And Bill Nelson of Florida says that any energy plan which expands off-shore drilling is "Dead on Arrival." So... it will be all restrictions on energy production, all taxes on legitimate, real energy production, all useless subsidies for fake energy production, and not a damn bit of actual increased domestic production to offset this stupidity.

This is a major spill and it is doing great damage. The environment may not be as fragile and exquisitely sensitive as the tree-huggers swear, but obviously pouring millions of gallons of oil on top of the ocean, where 90% of all sea life lives, is a very bad thing.

It's the childishness of this all though that bothers me, the refusal to accept the simple proposition that in life, there are choices, and choices have consequences, and sometimes it's necessary to accept some downside to get a lot of upside. People don't seem to acknowledge the upside of petroleum -- like being able to drive places, or having heat and electricity in their homes, and so on -- because it "just happens," by magic, I guess.

On the other hand, show them a dying otter and they want to stop this all.

People always want the ideal solution -- all upside, no downside -- and it is a politician's job to con them into thinking that such a thing is possible (and of course that such a thing is possible only if you elect them and their party into a position of power where they can execute their magic formulae and arcane rituals).

A substantial portion of the public doesn't think critically, has no functional bullshit detector whatsoever, is incapable of balancing downside and upside, and thus is forever gulled by promises of the Miracle Solution in which they are disburdened from ever having to make tough choices.

The Miracle Solution, you see, doesn't require a choice at all, because you never have to choose between cheap, reliable energy and a pristine environment, because the Miracle Solution promises both.

So much of politics -- God, 95% of it -- is the positioning of one party or another to sell a gullible segment of the public (the swing segment, unfortunately) on fantastical Miracle Solutions.

The Exxon Valdez disaster ushered in a new, bad era of restrictivist energy policy, and higher-than-it-ought-to-be dependence on Middle East oil, and just as we're finally getting past that, oh, look, dead otters.

Wonderful. Just wonderful.

Of course, the Valdez disaster was due to transhipment of oil, which our zero-new-production policy will cause more of, and thus more spills in the shipping process, but the Stupid Segment of the public has a memory only extending back a few months, so now, shipping oil is the greatest thing (until we can all get our solar on, at least) and domestic drilling is just awful so by all means let's continue increasing the portion of oil we get from Iran. (And we do get it from Iran -- these commodities are fungible, after all. If we don't get it from Iran, that's just because China is buying our portion of Iran's oil at a slight discount. On the net, it's just like we're paying for Iran's oil any way you slice it.)

And the Miracle Solution will be just peachy, because, after all, it's working so well in Spain (which, by the way, is on the verge of financial collapse). So, as the President says, yes, let us look to Spain for our future:

“Think about what’s happening in countries like Spain.” It seems so long ago that Barack Obama thus instructed us — eight times — to ponder his model for a “green jobs” economy.

...

It’s been an eventful week in Spain on the issue, so allow us to gloat.
On Tuesday, the story finally made it onto the front page of Expansión (their equivalent of the Financial Times) — earning coverage by an editorial and two opeds, as well.

The paper’s front page screams: “the cost of renewables skyrockets to 6.2 billion euros” — though that number refers only to the feed-in tariffs of last year alone. (Hey . . . skyrocketing. No wonder Obama cast his longing gaze Spain’s way!)
The title of one article inside is “To subsidize the renewables costs 250 euros [appx. $335] every year in electricity to each consumer.”

The editorial decries “the unsustainable cost of renewables.”

...

Further, the president of Gas Natural has decided to attack the renewables scheme directly, as revealed in a Libertad Digital article titled “Gas Natural criticizes the government for investing in renewables that we do not need.” He is quoted as asking, “Are we so rich as to invest in something that we do not need? Do we have so much extra money?”

Calzada informs me that the precipitating event for this outburst of honesty was that, in recent weeks, the government has recognized that electricity costs went up 23 percent last year due to subsidies for solar power.

Also helpful was a solar scandal that Calzada described to me a couple of months back but that could not be established as fact at that time: Owners of solar fields had placed oil generators next to their solar fields to simulate more electricity production from the solar panels, for which they were reimbursed at the highly subsidized solar rate.

The scandal was finally uncovered because, after years of conducting this fraud without inspections, the greedy rascals were doing it even at night. Now, no matter what sort of absurd cheerleading President Obama engages in about Spanish technology — similar to his inanity about windmills being “new technology” (yes, he says that) — I am certain that even Spanish solar panels are not so advanced as to produce electricity at night.

There's our future. And a lot of our representatives will now run away from pushing back against this bleak future of ever-escalating energy prices and resultant diminishment of prosperity and opportunity, and, we might rage against them for that, but you know what? What can they do? They can only go forward if we have their backs, politically, and while we do have their backs, about one-third of their necessary level of public support just peeled off from them (Think of the otters), and so they now have to choose between doing the right and winning and election, except that's not even really the choice, because they can't do the right thing if they're not elected in the first place.

I never mind useless, wasteful spending on renewable research because when the Stupid Segment starts demanding that Something Stupid needs to be done as stupidly quickly as possible, the only way to appease them is to throw them a Bone of Stupidity and try to craft something that sounds like your own Miracle Solution (hey, let's research and then in five years we'll all have our own operational fusion reactor in the basement) that at least does the least harm possible.

I hate this spending, and believe it is all a waste of money, except when you compare it to the alternative of draconian reductions in energy production and skyrocketing power costs. Better to vote for ten billion in wasted money than allow a the waste of hundreds of billions.

But those who want to waste as much American money as possible are now going to win. As that Spanish guy said, "Do we have so much extra money?" Well now I guess we do, and we can afford to burden an economy already on the rocks with additional waste.

And anyone who opposes this is racist against otters.

Last link thanks to EdwardR., who kept sending it, even though I didn't post it, but finally got my attention.


Posted by: Ace at 09:11 AM | Comments (268)
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Posted by: @TEXAN at April 30, 2010 09:15 AM (9KJ97)

2 Should have let us drill in mid-America instead.  It's Teh O's fault.

Posted by: dogfish at April 30, 2010 09:16 AM (9dIfg)

3 . Obama's taking longer to respond to this than Bush did with Katrina. Obviously he hates Otters and Pelicans.....or wants them to turn black. 

Posted by: Luca Brasi at April 30, 2010 09:16 AM (YmPwQ)

4 This is going to retard efforts

I see what you did there.

You know, I love otters.  Otters are awesome.  The video of the two otters clutching their little paws together while floating around keeps me from going on a spree makes me happy. 

I would happily mow down an entire herd (flock clutch whatever) of baby otters to drive my car, heat my house, have electricity for the internets, what have you.  Gleefully mow them down.  Then again I appear to be an adult, much to my dismay, and I know that there's no magical unicorn farts that will power my life.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 30, 2010 09:16 AM (8WZWv)

5

 

All the more reason for wind power!

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:17 AM (uFokq)

6

from the Riehl World:

Andy Sullivan Shouldn't Have Gone There

I guess Andy has a new Twitter friend.

"Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty," - Bill Maher.

Oh, come on, Andy. Your azzhole was yelling "drill baby drill" in search of a far more dangerous variety of crude for years, right rawmuscleglutes?

Posted by: conscious and still saying Drill Baby Drill at April 30, 2010 09:17 AM (YVZlY)

7 You know, warm and fuzzy works right up until your about to be pushed over a cliff for it. Then warm and fuzzy might get skinned and barbecued. Along with the politicians and activists who are trying to push everyone off the cliff with the cute and fuzzy. Does anyone understand that a.) accidents happen, b.) every dollar stolen (over basic realistic clean-up) costs more at the pump (which they do want), c.) and ever dollar up, our enemies get one dollar richer. Simple things even most academics can understand.

Posted by: Doom at April 30, 2010 09:17 AM (W9wBS)

8

 

The ocean is big. Why can't these stupid animals, oh I don't know, circumnavigate the oil?

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:18 AM (uFokq)

9 Do not worry. It will now be an even better issue for Sarah in 2012 when gas prices are killing the economy at 4 and 5 dollars a gallon.

Posted by: Dan at April 30, 2010 09:18 AM (1jzSs)

10

Running the generators at night.

Must be Global warming believers. No one else is that stupid.

Posted by: Have Blue at April 30, 2010 09:18 AM (mV+es)

11 What burns me up is that this unforced error by Shell or whoever the fuck was running that rig is going to be used as a stick to beat us for the next 20 years - and it was avoidable. They have some big house-sized device sitting on the sea that is meant to stop the flow is something goes wrong. Apparently it's malfunctioned and now offshore drilling is done, and we're all doomed to increased fuel prices. Sorry that your crew died in the explosion, but you bastards have really fucked us, whether the resulting demagoguery is fair or not.

Posted by: Xander Crews at April 30, 2010 09:19 AM (Esstd)

12
Meanwhile, this is what LGF deems racist:

The new bill would make it illegal for a school district to teach any courses that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 30, 2010 09:19 AM (0fzsA)

13 The Democrats blew it up so as to further their plan to end off shore drilling.
Hey, it makes as much sense as Bush blowing up the WTC and Pentagon to get a declaration of war against Iraq.

Posted by: needs bed rest at April 30, 2010 09:20 AM (4nxhP)

14 Heeellllppp us!

Posted by: Baby Otters at April 30, 2010 09:21 AM (UOM48)

15

 

You bet your ass it was sabotage.

Cui bono?

Cui bono?

Cui bono?

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:21 AM (uFokq)

16 I've already seen this all over the internet on non-political mesage boards I read. There's a youtube video of footage of this rig explosion, then oil-covered animals and McCain and Palin talking about the need for more drilling.

And the obvious chorus is "we have to stop this now!!!"  Because oil just grows on trees, or something

Posted by: brak at April 30, 2010 09:22 AM (W5NBA)

17 We've got the answer - a large scoop powered by Acme rockets - to cleaning up the ocean!

Posted by: Acme Big Scoop Corp at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (92zkk)

18

Hey, let me take the left's position on this one, huh?

Obama blew up that oil rig. Off the coast of La. he probably used the leftover explosives the left and Spike Lee say Bush used on the New Orleans levees.

Posted by: Drillanwr at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (GkYyh)

19 my geeky friend said today that there was some article in some science magazine about a generator that run on either salt water to urine....he was beside himself with joy

but he still hasn't returned my emails requesting a link to the article...I really want to read this....new uses for urine are hard to come by and it is a readily available product...

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (p302b)

20 Owners of solar fields had placed oil generators next to their solar fields to simulate more electricity production from the solar panels, for which they were reimbursed at the highly subsidized solar rate. How long before wind farms, on windless days, figure out how to turn some of the turbines into fans, run them on expensive conventional power to blow air through generating windmills, and still make a profit on the subsidized power they generate? When you subsidize inefficient energy production you get more inefficiency and kill off your efficient production.

Posted by: Socratease at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (nJmDs)

21 How are things going for you @Texan?

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (vb5IK)

22 Anyone catch B+ calling Europe a country?  No wonder he hides his grades, he's a complete moron.

Posted by: Schwalbe at April 30, 2010 09:23 AM (UU0OF)

23 My car runs on otters covered with oil, so I'm good.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at April 30, 2010 09:24 AM (I1/U/)

24 I heard a woman on Rush this morning who works on support systems for oil rigs.  She wasn't suggesting sabotage, but her husband knows the rig that exploded and sank and said it was state-of-the-art.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:25 AM (UOM48)

25

The Democrats blew it up so as to further their plan to end off shore drilling.
Hey, it makes as much sense as Bush blowing up the WTC and Pentagon to get a declaration of war against Iraq.

Actually, I wouldn't be a bit surprised (about the blowing up the rig).

Posted by: jewells at April 30, 2010 09:25 AM (l/N7H)

26 Posted by: brak at April 30, 2010 02:22 PM (W5NBA)

every one of my lib/dem friends believes that the world is running out of oil....they get very upset when they talk about it....almost cry....so this should be devastating...but it isn't....they say "well had to be halliburton, BO will get to the bottom of this and fix it"

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 09:25 AM (p302b)

27

Hey Andi....anyone who opposes drilling should immediately go off the grid. Turn off the PC, walk everywhere you want to go, move into a cave. Stop contributing to the problem!

Posted by: Luca Brasi at April 30, 2010 09:26 AM (YmPwQ)

28

Ya know, Joe fuckhead gonna feel real bad 'bout that oil spill. Right up until the monent he's paying 5 clams a gallon for go juice. Then all that sentiment is gonna fly right out the window.

BTW, as an ex oil patcher, it seems to me that BP should have some sort of sub surface shutoff in event of catistrophic accident. They apparrettly do not. The thing is: Murphy had it right, whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. Plan accordingly, because that h fuck" moment is gonna come.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2010 09:26 AM (OlN4e)

29 So do dried out otter pelts covered with oil make good tarps or even shingles cause I hate waste.  I am pretty sure they dont make good coats, but maybe water proofing something. I am sure something can be made with them.  Yes, I am fighting against the cute little otter syndicate.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 09:26 AM (7VvJB)

30 Yup. Interesting, 'aintit, how the Whore of Reality corrupts rightwing fairytales.

Posted by: What'd HotAir tell me to think about today? at April 30, 2010 09:26 AM (hXTix)

31 Damn straight we're cute.  And we can hold a bunch of crap in that bitchin' sack like thing we have in our mouths.

Now get this stinkin' oil cleaned up, or we'll call a strike and dive bomb your cars with huge globs of feces!

Posted by: International Brotherhood of Pelicans Local 432 at April 30, 2010 09:27 AM (92zkk)

32 "Drill, baby, drill" is hypocrisy?

Nope.  Try going to work in your car/limo/taxi, eating your arugula transported by truck or jetting off to your next vacation.

That's hypocrisy.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2010 09:27 AM (T0NGe)

33

In the budding Oil Rig Truther movement, I'm LIHOP. The regime is too stupid to actually think of this themselves.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at April 30, 2010 09:27 AM (YmPwQ)

34 Expect prices for shellfish and seafood to skyrocket.  And baby otter meat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:27 AM (UOM48)

35 I don't know about the ecology, but the LA coastline and it's people are every bit as vulnerable as you've heard.  They lose a football field's worth of land to the gulf every half an hour and have been for a long time (back to when folks first built levies and such to prevent the Mississippi from flooding every year-the event which offset normal erosion) so that homes that were built in perfectly responsible places now will flood in any kind of storm.  Much of the homes are now on stilts, but if they have another major storm which causes coastal flooding while this slick is out there, I don't know how they'd ever clean it up.

Even if they stay free of tropical storms and worse, the main upside of life near the coast is that you can get lots of food pretty easily from fishing/shrimping.  If that's cut off, they're going to be in real trouble.

Posted by: Methos at April 30, 2010 09:28 AM (Xsi7M)

36

 

Leftist/Progressives are as evil and as warped as the muslim Palestinians, Hezballoo, etc. Both groups lie, use violence, and claim victimhood to advance their agenda.

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:28 AM (uFokq)

37

This is a major spill and it is doing great damage. The environment may not be as fragile and exquisitely sensitive as the tree-huggers swear, but obviously pouring millions of gallons of oil on top of the ocean, where 90% of all sea life lives, is a very bad thing.

There's a big yeah-but (yabbut) on this thing I'd like to see addressed somewhere.  The oil is spilling right in front of one of the most badass river-dominated shorelines in the world.  It's a terms of art.  There are also wave-dominated and tide-dominated shorelines.  I think I'm using it correctly.  It's been almost 30 years.

Wave dominated shores dominate pretty much everywhere.  Think of the giant barrier island Padre Island of Texas.  Wave action and a mix of tide action sculpt the long, flat shorelines.  Oil can cover these shorelines easy, seems like.

But we're at the mouth of the mighty Mississippi, which has a greater river-dominated shoreline than even the Amazon. 

Isn't the oil going to have a hell of a time trying to make it to most of the nearby land there?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:28 AM (XYipd)

38

T Boone Pickens has close to the right idea about our current energy needs. He wants to convert all of the big trucks on the road to Natural Gas which would save $1 Billion per day in oil imports. If Pickens would ad one thing to his proposal I think he could sell it and I would be for it.

Pick up your rocks, put a $1 per barrel tax on oil to pay for the conversion and supply lines. Before you throw them at me wait! This tax would cost us a bit more at first but overall it would drive down the price of oil and we would in the long run be paying less. Natural gas would cost about 1/3 that of diesal so we would also save in shipping costs. Ok, you can throw them now.

Did I mention all the jobs this would create and how it would help my chesapeake energy stock?

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2010 09:29 AM (fwSHf)

39 Some of us take a great interest in pelicans.

Posted by: Tony Montana at April 30, 2010 09:29 AM (cQyWA)

40 Wow- that sucks.

Pass the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 30, 2010 09:29 AM (OtQXp)

41 When they came for the otters I sed nuthin cuz I wuz just a small Gerbil.

Posted by: Gerbil Malodor at April 30, 2010 09:30 AM (dP6Ky)

42

 

Riddle me this, Batmen: What caused more harm to the environment, the recent volcano eruption or this oil spill?

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:31 AM (uFokq)

43 Because oil just grows on trees, or something

Shhhh...we're trying to keep it a secret.

Posted by: Oil tree syndicate at April 30, 2010 09:31 AM (7VvJB)

44

Addendum:  So can't we all breathe a little easier for the cute fuzzies?

BTW, equal time:  I haven't seen anyone talking about the plight of the crocodile.  Doesn't anyone care about them?  (I certaintly don't.  If they all died as a result, the world would be better off.  Dog eating sumbitches.  They mess with the cute fuzzies.)

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:31 AM (XYipd)

45

 

My point?

My point is shit happens. Get over it. We'll survive.

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:32 AM (uFokq)

46 I like alligators.  They eat snakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:32 AM (UOM48)

47 Blackened Otter...my favorite!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at April 30, 2010 09:32 AM (OXWdU)

48

We should have exterminated all of the cute animals decades ago.  Our inability to foresee these things once again dooms us.  Oh well, another gauntlet for Gore and Michael Moore to pick up and make millions on. 

I suppose we can always cast our lot with global warming to do our dirty work for us.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 30, 2010 09:32 AM (RkRxq)

49 I question the timing on this explosion thing.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 30, 2010 09:33 AM (EL+OC)

50

Also, they keep talking about harm to shrimp and oysters.  Last time I checked, shrimp and oysters don't bob up to the surface for air.  I don't grok that one.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:33 AM (XYipd)

51 someone watch Olberman tonight, gots a feeling Ace will be talked about on the show for worst twitters (no idea on plurality of that)

Posted by: fartbubble at April 30, 2010 09:33 AM (gAmQ1)

52 Where are all the eco-weenies on wind turbines killing migrating birds? 


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:33 AM (UOM48)

53 47 I like alligators.  They eat snakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 02:32 PM (UOM4

They also eat snowbirds, and I'm down wit dat.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2010 09:33 AM (OlN4e)

54

 

You think all those forest fires during the Bush term were all accidents?

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:34 AM (uFokq)

55 maddogg:  high-five!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:34 AM (UOM48)

56 No question the Democrats will try to exploit this to the hilt. After all, they won't let a good crisis go to waste. They will now ramp up their efforts to get a cap and trade bill passed, as well as prohibit new drilling everywhere and help them find excuses to hasten the destruction of the oil industry.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at April 30, 2010 09:35 AM (tDLmq)

57

Hey, what's the big problem with the shrimp anyway.  You fry the shrimp in oil don't you?

Two birds with one stone.  Just sayin"

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 30, 2010 09:35 AM (RkRxq)

58 And it should be said that most everyone in LA wants more drilling anyway, because oil money is the only hope they have of funding to restore their coast.  Which is why your going to hear more from Greenepeace thugs from Wahington than any locals, at least on tv.

Posted by: Methos at April 30, 2010 09:36 AM (Xsi7M)

59 So, does anybody know about river versus wave dominated shorelines on a deal like this?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:37 AM (XYipd)

60 What if we never had organic fossils to burn? Guess we're gonna find out.

Posted by: Shooter at April 30, 2010 09:37 AM (zfRju)

61 Who knew the Reichstag had been moved to an off-shore drilling rig.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at April 30, 2010 09:37 AM (qwK3S)

62

 

Just an excuse for Obama to print another Trillion $$ to spend on the magical green energy.

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:38 AM (uFokq)

63 i keep asking....since other nations are drilling in that area...what would they be doing if it was another country's rig that caused this?   How would they respond or not respond.   Cause they certainly ignored this one for a while, like 8 days...

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 09:38 AM (p302b)

64 By the way, there is a 1.6 million gallon lake of 87 octane gasoline floating 40 feet beneath West Compton in Los Angeles.  But no cuddly otters involved, so nobody cares.

Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2010 09:38 AM (2p0e3)

65 Will people will start on the pelican instead of me?

Posted by: the chicken at April 30, 2010 09:39 AM (aag4W)

66

Pelicans, otters along La. shore in path of spill

I'm more concerned about hobos, town drunkards and other misc. neer-do-wells! 

 

Posted by: The Red Queen at April 30, 2010 09:39 AM (pr+up)

67 Shhhhh!  Keep this to yourselves, alright?  Goldman Sachs caused the oil spill.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 30, 2010 09:39 AM (RkRxq)

68

Maybe the GOP should try to deflect the issue toward open drilling in ANWR, f/x.  Blunt the criticism instead of trying to block it.  Never let a good crisis go to waste, as it were.  

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:39 AM (XYipd)

69 I'm listening to a caller on Rush who is saying that oil revenue is a big part of the Louisiana state budget...so I'm thinking how many other states need the taxes from the drilled oil to survive?  Texas?  Alaska? 

Is this a get even with Sarah Palin move?

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 09:40 AM (p302b)

70 OT: Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes reportedly kicked off flight for refusing to turn off iPod... http://su.pr/1VxZhO

Posted by: conscious and still saying Drill Baby Drill at April 30, 2010 09:40 AM (YVZlY)

71 "Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty," - Bill Maher. Right Bill. The very moment you go completely Amish -- including shutting down your evil energy-sucking TV show -- I'll book my ticket for Mobile.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2010 09:41 AM (RD7QR)

72 Nuclear power doesn't kill otters.

Posted by: damian at April 30, 2010 09:41 AM (4WbTI)

73 The sad thing is people forget the marshes are the nurseries of the seas.  Oysters, baby fish, crabs, etc.  Lose the marshes, you lose marine life.

Still, I'm all for off-shore drilling.  The more the better.  But this explosion, the timing and everything, is very weird.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:41 AM (UOM48)

74 73 "Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty," - Bill Maher.

Right Bill. The very moment you go completely Amish -- including shutting down your evil energy-sucking TV show -- I'll book my ticket for Mobile.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2010 02:41 PM (RD7QR)

And I'll sell my planes

Posted by: Han Solo at April 30, 2010 09:42 AM (zqzYV)

75 People forget that Mexico had a well explosion and leak in the 70"s that was worse than this and oil slicks would show up on the Texas coast for over a year.

And oil naturally seeps into the ocean every day.

Trying to remember where I read that there are over 1500 offshore oil rigs and this is the first time there has been a major spill in ~20 years. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 30, 2010 09:42 AM (mR7mk)

76 Also, they keep talking about harm to shrimp and oysters.  Last time I checked, shrimp and oysters don't bob up to the surface for air.  I don't grok that one.

I think they said that after a while the oil globs up and sinks.  Which-well I'm just going to admit I don't know how that works as it seems to me a fluid that flats should always float.  What I do know, is that to make the shrimp and oysters useful, you have to boat out to them, net them, and then bring them to the surface, which gets complicated if there's a layer of crude on the surface that you have to hoist them through.

Posted by: Methos at April 30, 2010 09:42 AM (Xsi7M)

77 Global warming is the cure!  With global warming, there will be less need for oil for heat, and with huge chunks of the earth's population dying off due to dought, disease, floods and snow(?) as they claim'll happen, then less oil needed for power, and with the oceans rising, we can all use sailboats to get around, so less oil for transportation . . . so, there ya go.  Add 'Burn, baby, burn' to 'Drill, baby, drill' and it's all fixed.

Posted by: starboardhelm at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (SgSfB)

78 since other nations are drilling in that area...what would they be doing if it was another country's rig that caused this?   How would they respond or not respond.

Good question.  No way in hell they'd call out Russia or China.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (mR7mk)

79 Interesting, 'aintit, how the Whore of Reality corrupts rightwing fairytales.

Speaking of fairy tales ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (rOd1g)

80

friggen otters getting slicked by oil.

Don't tell Richard Gere.

Or that crazy chick from Plumville.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (QMtmy)

81
Bill Maher, - How did you get to work today?


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (0fzsA)

82 BTW, its a BP well.

Curse you John Bull!!

Posted by: damian at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (4WbTI)

83

A substantial portion of the public doesn't think critically, has no functional bullshit detector whatsoever, is incapable of balancing downside and upside, and thus is forever gulled by promises of the Miracle Solution in which they are disburdened from ever having to make tough choices.

Heh.  But frustrating, indeed.

Cross your fingers there's not some small nuclear plant incident coming down the pike.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (XYipd)

84

No, No, NO!!

Not the post. I agree with all of it except for this part:

A substantial portion of the public doesn't think critically, has no functional bullshit detector whatsoever, is incapable of balancing downside and upside, and thus is forever gulled by promises of the Miracle Solution in which they are disburdened from ever having to make tough choices.

You underestimate these people, Ace. They know what's bullshit, and they know when they're feeding it to us. They just pretend they believe it, and oftentimes not very well. That explains all the hypocrisy.

My beef with your post is my inability to bring Nena's song lyrics into the discussion, and "Ich Bien Dein Gummibär" just seems inappropriate somehow.

Oh, well. We had a nice run today.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 30, 2010 09:43 AM (cQyWA)

85 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 02:41 PM (UOM4

been thinking the same thing and i've read a few pieces about how we are over fishing and running out of fish and I thought to myself, all these overfishing articles, where is this leading and then this explosion....

too much weirdness....

and how come we haven't heard about a memorial service for the 11 people they stopped looking for.

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 09:44 AM (p302b)

86 It is apparent that Allah hates Louisiana and its skimpily clad denizens - including those naked otters.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 30, 2010 09:44 AM (ZtwUX)

87

#40

You are such an arsehole mayn!

Posted by: Manny at April 30, 2010 09:45 AM (8OTio)

88 Don't spread this around, because it's a rumor, but I heard Al Gore was seen drunkenly steering his yacht towards the oil rig. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:45 AM (UOM48)

89 Trying to remember where I read that there are over 1500 offshore oil rigs and this is the first time there has been a major spill in ~20 years.

This I can believe...  there are tons of rigs in the Gulf and I don't recall too many stories of spills down here, even when Katrina ripped one of the rigs off its moorings and slammed it into a bridge in Alabama.

The big question I want answers to is WTF happened with the safety measure that was supposed to close off the pipe on the well.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 30, 2010 09:45 AM (S/HSv)

90

I'm more worried about Tabasco Island. Isn't that nearby?

Gotta have my 'basco.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 09:45 AM (QMtmy)

91 Will this thread spawn a post on the ONT about people having sex with cute, fuzzy, oil-covered animals on the gulf coast?

Posted by: conscious and still saying Drill Baby Drill at April 30, 2010 09:46 AM (YVZlY)

92

 

Now I'm wondering if eco-terrorists killed those 29 miners, too. Ya'rly.

 

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:46 AM (uFokq)

93 So, does anybody know about river versus wave dominated shorelines on a deal like this?

New Orleans is river dominated and may not see the slick.  Given the erosion problem along the rest of the coast, I suspect it qualifies as wave dominated.

Posted by: Methos at April 30, 2010 09:47 AM (Xsi7M)

94 friggen otters getting slicked by oil

Count me in!!

Posted by: Malcom Brenner at April 30, 2010 09:47 AM (DHNp4)

95

Sen. Jim Jamison (R-Earth):

 

“My reaction? I don’t think for a second that the President would allow America’s long-term energy policy to determined by statistically rare acts of fate. Surely, he factored in a basic risk-assessment. One accident, the likes of which has not been seen in decades, will not prompt the President to act hastily. For that would imply that his decision to allow drilling was made in haste.”

That's what I'd say.

Posted by: CJ at April 30, 2010 09:47 AM (9KqcB)

96

 

Cui bono?

just sayin...

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:47 AM (uFokq)

97 "stupid fate intervenes"

Fate? Hmmm. I wonder.

If I had a twisted, paranoic mind set, such as those exhibited by Rosie O'Donnell, Ed Asner, Jesse Ventura, et al. (quite a bunch of Rhodes Scholars there, huh?) then I might think it vewwy, vewwy suspicious that just when Obama is forced to allow drilling, suddenly an oil well in the Gulf goes blooey (the first big blow up since 1979 and that was in Mexican waters).

And NOW we hear that we have to rethink that drilling an stuff that we really, really wanted to do (not!) but now sadly we can't cause of the environment an stuff. Darn.

So if I had the above mentioned twisted mind etc., I'd make the accusation that it was SABOTAGE!!!111!!!1ELEVENTY.

Well Oil won't burn without an ignition source (most of it is as thick as molasses) Google it!!!

 So I accuse BP Oil of blowing up their own oil well in the Gulf of Mexico at the behest of Obama and the Environmentals Kooks to jack up gas prices and ensure that no new wells came on line for a while yet.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: jakee308 at April 30, 2010 09:48 AM (fs3Za)

98 If the otters are already coated in oil...

Anybody got a match?  Otter flambe' is on me!

Posted by: Kratos (reunited with the Blade of Olympus) at April 30, 2010 09:48 AM (9hSKh)

99 We are so boned.

Posted by: DelD at April 30, 2010 09:48 AM (eWtdM)

100 Oh hell noes.  A memorial for the dead oil rig workers will be another photo op for Teh One.  He goes to the memorial for the dead coal mine workers, while he can't wait to shut down their very industry.  Jackass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:48 AM (UOM48)

101

Cui bono?

just sayin...

Yeah, we heard it the first seventy-thousand times.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (rOd1g)

102 BP i.e. British Petroleum ...  had to drill in 5,000 feet of water instead of 300 feet of the OCS because of ignorant lawmakers ...  we need the oil so isn't it better to drill on the ocs than in the deep ocean ?

Posted by: Jeff at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (5fbpI)

103 Fuck the animals. We need oil. Humans are more important than animals. Anyone who disagrees is a wasting my air. My notion that this rig was blown up by eco-terrorists or some other group of leftist militants grows unabated. It fits too nicely with the President's agenda, and in this world only the fool believes in coincidences.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (WZFkG)

104

It took a long time, months, to cap that Ixtoc I well that blew out in 79.

 

This is going to suck.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (WvXvd)

105 "Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty," - Bill Maher.

"Tweeted from the same private plane that Arianna Huffington flies"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (sYxEE)

106 Just remember, we are the only country in the world that ties our own hands like this re: our oil supplies.  Billions of dollars in revenue and thousands of jobs goes overseas to Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, and the Middle East.  The Chinese directional drill from Cuban waters to get oil near Florida.

And all these morons who laugh about "drill baby drill" have no idea how much petroleum affects our lives.  It's not just at the gas pump.  It's everything you buy, that gets there by truck and rail.  It's in plastic and thousands of household products.  It's a fundamental part of our economy.  And no "hydrogen cell/ethanol/wind/sunshine and rainbow" bullshit is going to replace that anytime in the next few decades. 

But somehow supporting our nation's energy needs is a "right-wing" thing so it must be evil.  So yuck it up morons.  Keep tying our hands and pat yourself on the back as we piss our economy down the drain.

/end rant

Posted by: brak at April 30, 2010 09:49 AM (W5NBA)

107

Those greasy otters just gave back to the GOP its most popular issue.

Posted by: CJ at April 30, 2010 09:50 AM (9KqcB)

108 Call me a Ghey Commie but I never heard of a salt water Otter.

Posted by: DNJAX at April 30, 2010 09:50 AM (XORC9)

109

29

BTW, as an ex oil patcher, it seems to me that BP should have some sort of sub surface shutoff in event of catistrophic accident. They apparrettly do not. The thing is: Murphy had it right, whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.


That's the problem with crony capitalism on the other side of the aisle.  Bush let the oil companies abandon the acoustic emergency shut offs ($500K a pop) on rigs because, well, because he was Bush.

Gee, that $500k would have saved a shit ton of money here, huh?



Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 09:50 AM (UaxA0)

110 Ace, can you put up a thread for the conspiracy theorist nutbars to hang out in? I'm afraid the stupid may be contagious.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2010 09:50 AM (rOd1g)

111 What about using Wave energy? or tidal energy? The tide going out in Maine makes for some swift running water.

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 09:51 AM (mMdWG)

112

 

just sayin...

Posted by: Lippy the Lion at April 30, 2010 09:51 AM (uFokq)

113 It's a BP rig. Also, they're sending SWAT teams to other rigs -- which certainly would make you wonder whether it was an "intentional accident".

Not that Captain Wonderful wouldn't respond to such malefactors by talking them to death -- gosh, they've got to be quaking in their boots at the thought.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 30, 2010 09:51 AM (fYgoq)

114

Complete off-topic but there's a story in the NYT today about Obama saying the Warren Court may have overstepped its authority.

No shit Sherlock!

But isn't that interesting? Those words coming from man that said as a State Senator that the Constitution was a charter of negative liberties and that the Warren Court didn't go far enough in redressing "redistributive change".

Interesting timing too, eh? What a pandering piece of shit lunatic.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 30, 2010 09:52 AM (pLTLS)

115 What about using Wave energy? or tidal energy? The tide going out in Maine makes for some swift running water.

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 02:51 PM (mMdWG)

That might work for your surfboard but it isn't going to do much for your car.

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2010 09:52 AM (fwSHf)

116

And otters -- cute and fuzzy, forget about it. - Ace

If you ever get a chance to read the non-fiction book, Ring Of Bright Water by Gavin Maxwell, you might gain a different perspective about otters; one of the cutest and most intelligent animals on this planet, and one of the few animals besides humans that uses tools and utensils. The book is a quick and enjoyable read. They made a movie of it, too.

Posted by: A Casual Observation at April 30, 2010 09:53 AM (ITzbJ)

117 I still think we should push for more mining of turbinium ore. Dilithium, too.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 09:53 AM (QMtmy)

118 Has BP or anyone else offered a possible explanation for the explosion?

Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2010 09:53 AM (aag4W)

119

"But we're at the mouth of the mighty Mississippi, which has a greater river-dominated shoreline than even the Amazon. 

Isn't the oil going to have a hell of a time trying to make it to most of the nearby land there?"

Back eddies will take it right into the shore on either side of the mouth -- faster than by wind-waves alone.  Run a hose into a tub and see what the water does on either side.  Plus the gulf stream there will carry it North inshore, then East.

Posted by: starboardhelm at April 30, 2010 09:53 AM (SgSfB)

120 That might work for your surfboard but it isn't going to do much for your car.

Neither will wind farms... just sayin'

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 09:53 AM (mMdWG)

121 23 Anyone catch B+ calling Europe a country?  No wonder he hides his grades, he's a complete moron.       Eh, now if he'd said it in Austrian....

Posted by: huerfano at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (oSrBX)

122 Barack Obama hates marine wildlife

Posted by: Dunkirk at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (kwncE)

123

It looks like this is turning into a problem with chain of command.  Apparently the Coast Guard is in charge and has to approve any measures the state may take and Jindal's not very happy about the delays.  And anyone know why Holder would send people from the Justice Depratment to LA?  Oh and this is that heavier asphalt type of oil so it will move below the surface of the water.   

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (oflVV)

Posted by: ian at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (b/qUt)

125 He goes to the memorial for the dead coal mine workers, while he can't wait to shut down their very industry.

I was offended that  man who has never had a real job in his life thought he could eulogize normal working folks (who were never offered free rides to prestigious schools based on their skin color and their grampy's politics).

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (mR7mk)

126 Neither will wind farms... just sayin'

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 02:53 PM (mMdWG)

I seem to remember reading that they built one here off the coast of washington or maybe oregon. You don't hear much about it anymore. I don't remember if they got it working or not.

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2010 09:57 AM (fwSHf)

127 Sea otters are cute, but can also carry rabies.  Seriously.  One attacked a family dog on a dock on the Back River of Tybee Island here a few years ago.  At first the family thought the otter was playing when it jumped on the dock, put it went for the dog.  The dad ended up shooting the otter and it tested positive for rabies. 

I was taking a walk near the intracoastal several years ago when what I thought was a large, black dog came lumbering toward me.  I stopped, it stopped, stood on its back legs, we stared at each other, and it slid into the water.  Freaked me out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 09:57 AM (UOM48)

128

... BP should ...

That's like "Obama said ... ".

Posted by: FireHorse at April 30, 2010 09:58 AM (cQyWA)

129

I never mind useless, wasteful spending on renewable research because when the Stupid Segment starts demanding that Something Stupid needs to be done as stupidly quickly as possible, the only way to appease them is to throw them a Bone of Stupidity

Well said. 

I'm a member of An Arbitrary Number of People Demanding Some Sort of Action Be Taken About a Random Issue.  Because the act of Demanding makes me feel better about myself.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 09:58 AM (XYipd)

130 I'm still waiting for the media to report on the 11 men who died when the rig blew up nine days ago.

But nope, not a peep. No interest in this story at all until they heard that Wildlife Are In Danger.

I'd like to dump a glass of crude down Katie Couric's throat.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 30, 2010 09:59 AM (DXDGN)

131 I was having a little fun here at the expense of the greenies, but yeah this is bad.

Proper response - figure out what can be done to mitigate the risk of it happening again.

Actual probable wrong response - Stop drilling.

Otters are my favorite animal after humans and dogs, so don't like to see it but those are the breaks.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 10:00 AM (7VvJB)

132 In other news, Cute, Fuzzy Chihuahuas Enable America to Pass Immigration Reform

Posted by: Ludicrous Speed at April 30, 2010 10:02 AM (zqzYV)

133 Listening to hannity on WABC new york....the lead in for the news was that "the city's last catholic hospital closed".   Wow, didn't ny have a lot of Catholic hospitals?   Did they go out of business rather than have to do abortions or something?   Why did they all close.

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:03 AM (p302b)

134 You know who benefits from this?

Posted by: OPEC at April 30, 2010 10:04 AM (aag4W)

135 I don't really care about pelicans or otters.  They can both go to hell!!! for all I care.

Posted by: Editor at April 30, 2010 10:04 AM (pUfK9)

136  Has BP or anyone else offered a possible explanation for the explosion?

Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2010 02:53 PM

You don't want to hear.  But Halliburton was in charge of cementing or plugging the holes in the pipeline and cap.  And they have had blow outs before from faulty work, the last one was that big one off of Australia. 

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 10:04 AM (oflVV)

137 Sea otters are cute, but can also carry rabies

Gays can carry AIDS

I was taking a walk near the intracoastal scenic river view several years ago when what I thought was a large, black dog gay man came lumbering toward me.  I stopped, it stopped, stood on its back legs, we stared at each other, and it slid into the water gay club.  Freaked me out.

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 10:05 AM (mMdWG)

138 120 I still think we should push for more mining of turbinium ore. Dilithium, too.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 02:53 PM (QMtmy)


We should mine the unobtainium, it's right underneath those giant trees in California.

Posted by: fozzy at April 30, 2010 10:05 AM (ccEuN)

139 Fuckuh you, Pelican!  Fuckuh you, Otter!

Posted by: Japanese Americans at April 30, 2010 10:05 AM (pUfK9)

140 53 Where are all the eco-weenies on wind turbines killing migrating birds?
---
They still whine about that. And some will whine about absolutely every form of energy production because there is nothing out there that doesn't have some consequence. If it changes surface albedo, displaces some desert lizard, hurts an animal, spoils a view, uses "nasty chemicals", requires mining or drilling or refining, changes the local climate, requires fixed ocean structures, produces "radio-activity", etc., it's no good to them.

These are the types that will only be happy if we live without electricity and automotive power and they can be safely ignored, but should be punched in the mouth (which would also be safe.)

Posted by: fb at April 30, 2010 10:05 AM (G60Nl)

141

New Orleans is river dominated and may not see the slick.  Given the erosion problem along the rest of the coast, I suspect it qualifies as wave dominated.

What coast in particular, Methos?  It's pretty much all river-dominated for hundreds of miles there. 

Really, if this had to happen, it couldn't have happened in a better place, right in front of Ol' Man River.  Who just might open up a giant can of whoopass. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:06 AM (XYipd)

142 Also, they're sending SWAT teams to other rigs -- which certainly would make you wonder whether it was an "intentional accident".

That may be a misunderstanding, and one which speaks ill of Barack's grasp on just what the fuck a SWAT team is. The Interior Department said it was sending a team of inspectors out to other rigs, and called them a "SWAT team" to jazz it up/show how serious they are. Obama appears to think it's an actual SWAT team or something.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2010 10:06 AM (rOd1g)

143

140

My bad.

Posted by: Sully at April 30, 2010 10:07 AM (8OTio)

144

I just read the police report and I'm reeeeeallly feeling bad for that Jack Russell.

(pdf)

http://tinyurl.com/35pdv6d

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 30, 2010 10:07 AM (QMtmy)

145

Brewer,

Because the act of Demanding makes me feel better about myself.

And the more irrational my demands, the more self-righteous I feel.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:07 AM (UaxA0)

146 @fb Please refer to the hippie video from the overnight thread.

Posted by: Mjim at April 30, 2010 10:08 AM (mMdWG)

147 111 Call me a Ghey Commie but I never heard of a salt water Otter. Posted by: DNJAX at April 30, 2010 02:50 PM (XORC9) Sea otters. I've seen them in Alaska. Still cute, but bigger. I hate oil spills -- they're hideous, they're destructive, and their effects linger forever. The very moment we can eschew petroleum I'll be the happiest man on the planet. But that moment will come right after somebody comes up with some energy source that's cleaner and just as efficient, and that isn't happening anytime soon. So we're stuck with this disgusting petroleum.

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2010 10:08 AM (RD7QR)

148

Well, the good news is that this didn't happen during hurricane season!  I imagine a Petroleum Squall would be an unpleasant thing (but a cool name for a band). 

Why can't we direct the oil spill toward our friendly neighbor to the south--it is the Gulf of MEXICO, isn't it?  Shouldn't Mexico take some responsibility for this?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 30, 2010 10:08 AM (8lCJT)

149 Really, on that drill baby drill thing, I hope the GOP sees the opportunity to deflect outrage and channel it toward sucking ANWR dry.  That would even shut up Maher's criticism:  "Drill in the Arctic, Bill.  Drill in the Arctic."

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:08 AM (XYipd)

150

91 Don't spread this around, because it's a rumor, but I heard Al Gore was seen drunkenly steering his yacht towards the oil rig. 

I laughed at this, but really I don't want life to be any more ironic.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at April 30, 2010 10:09 AM (euuyg)

151 I always wondered why greenies don't just off themselves, cause humans are bad and everything.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 10:09 AM (7VvJB)

152 Oh that is so sad....some 20 year old kid with boots and a hard hat was wandering around the subway tunnels in New York early in the morning and the track workers were alarmed at seeing him so they had him arrested and it turns out he had cvyanide in his back pack and he told them he was planning to kill himself.  This is happening more and more and so so so sad....twnety years old....terribly depressing....

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:09 AM (p302b)

153

Will this thread spawn a post on the ONT about people having sex with cute, fuzzy, oil-covered animals on the gulf coast?

Those otters were asking for it.  Otherwise they wouldn't be parading themselves around naked and pre-lubed.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2010 10:10 AM (plsiE)

154 As bad as it is for EVERY man made disaster mother nature has a way of taking care of things. It's bad now and they should do everything within their power to stop this..but....5-10 years from now I'll be you'd be hard pressed to find evidence of this spill. The teeth gnashing from the enviro weenies and their enablers will last much longer and have a greater impact on our lives than this spill.

Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 10:11 AM (pUO5u)

155 Notice, as I just heard in the radio news, BO says that BP is legally responsible for this whole mess, including the cleanup...

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:11 AM (p302b)

156

Bush let the oil companies abandon the acoustic emergency shut offs ($500K a pop) on rigs because, well, because he was Bush.

It is stunning they don't have choke points at ocean floor level.  And for half a mil, that's nothing, nothing.  That well made more than that every day.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:11 AM (XYipd)

157 Obama is sending an A Team of lawyers from the justice department to the oil spill. WTF is that all about?

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2010 10:11 AM (fwSHf)

158 155 & 156 both make good points. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 30, 2010 10:12 AM (8lCJT)

159 Will this thread spawn a post on the ONT about people having sex with cute, fuzzy, oil-covered animals on the gulf coast?

Already happened

Posted by: Mjim at April 30, 2010 10:13 AM (mMdWG)

160 You know what?  Fuck Pelicans.  Do you know there are types of pelicans that actually raid the nests of other birds live chicks and swallow them whole?  They'd swallow our babies, too, if they had a chance. 

Otters are still assholes, too.

Posted by: Editor at April 30, 2010 10:13 AM (pUfK9)

161

Listen,

You guys know I'm pretty damn far right, but we need to reign in these corporate/fascist cozy relationships across the fucking board.  Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, same game, different players.  All of this shit needs to stop.

But it will never happen.

Money is the lifeblood of politics, and corporations are convenient places to get lots of money, if you play the tune chosen for you by the corporation (or industry).

Immense multinational corps are not our friends.  They do not care about Americans.  Shit like this spill--something that will harm the political landscape of our nation and allow the leftists to entrench their statist goals -- do not bother them in the least.  Like Mattel, they will buy themselves OUT of any new regulation.

THIS SHIT MUST END.

But how shall we do it?


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:13 AM (UaxA0)

162 Obama is sending an A Team of lawyers from the justice department to the oil spill. WTF is that all about?

Fines, penalties, etc. which Americans will pay for.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 10:13 AM (7VvJB)

163

Back eddies will take it right into the shore on either side of the mouth

Starbordhelm, take a look at the delta.  Ol' Man River has many, many mouths.  Water exits all up and down that tumor of land.  So, not a water hose, an omnidirectional sprinkler head.

I still think this couldn't have happend in a better place--if it had to happen--even though some oil may make it ashore.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:16 AM (XYipd)

164
159 Notice, as I just heard in the radio news, BO says that BP is legally responsible for this whole mess, including the cleanup...

First smart thing the jug-eared imbecile has said right in his entire presidency.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:16 AM (UaxA0)

165 RD there were multiple shutoffs with redundant backup systems.Panice buttons and fail safe systems, deadman shutoffs. What happened must have happened so quick and so catasrophically that nothing triggered. My guess is it was one of those billion to one chances and odds were not on our side.

Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 10:16 AM (pUO5u)

166 Have you guys seen the latest satellite photo?  Looks like the slick is starting to spin in place.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:17 AM (XYipd)

167 Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 03:16 PM (pUO5u)

are all those fail safe systems computer controlled?

like in the toyotas?  

makes you wonder doesn't it?


Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:18 AM (p302b)

168 A commenter on one of the libtard blogs is crying about the possibility this might effect....Mexico.  We are such a "mean" country.  Douchebags.

In the meantime, not a word about the 11 missing workers or their poor families.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 10:18 AM (UOM48)

169 I, for one, don't care about cute fuzzy animals.  Kill them all.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at April 30, 2010 10:18 AM (XYipd)

170

No Bosk.

The DOE was going to require acoustic subsurface shut offs (like the kind in Brazil and NorAtl) at $500,000 a pop, until it was killed in 2003.  By our compassionate "conservative" dipshit (who was great as a war president, I'll give him that)


THEY WERE NOT IN PLACE, but could have been.  Could they have stopped this?  Not 100% sure, but they are 100% ineffective when not installed.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:20 AM (UaxA0)

171 "In the meantime, not a word about the 11 missing workers or their poor families.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 03:18 PM (UOM4 "

This bothers me the most.  Along withe the failure to respond quickly. along with the damage to the livelihood of the fisherman and people who farm the shrimp and such, has to have an economic impact on those states.  Also, why hasn't anyone said what caused this?   They are behaving like they behave when they are trying to figure out if something was a tera ist act.  And why all the lawyers?  And why the swat teams on every rig?   

and why isn't the media asking these questions?

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:21 AM (p302b)

172

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 03:18 PM (p302b)

I got an article about the rig from a buddy this morning. When I first heard about the type of drilling rig  ( floating, not anchored ) I just thought it was some big tanker with a pipe going to the ocean floor. This rig is an engineering masterpeice. I emailed the article to maeten just for shits and grins.

Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 10:23 AM (pUO5u)

173 We were told by a reporter who reported on the "we have no time for the immigration bill" meme that he was on AF1...does anyone know what he was doing on AF1....where was he going to or coming from?   Seems he is traveling in AF1 a lot more than the public is told and for what purpose?

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:23 AM (p302b)

174

"Starbordhelm, take a look at the delta.  Ol' Man River has many, many mouths.  Water exits all up and down that tumor of land.  So, not a water hose, an omnidirectional sprinkler head."

One mouth, many mouths, same hydraulic principles apply.  I studied oceanography in college, and I'm a sailor, very aware of tides, currents and how prevailing winds can affect drift.  Just saying -- the river currents aren't going to hold the oil offshore, more's the pity.

Posted by: starboardhelm at April 30, 2010 10:23 AM (SgSfB)

175 Otters burn great in your gas tank.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:24 AM (KXW8j)

176 I've seen teh reports from the one survivor who got off the drilling floor minutes before the explosion.

There's nothing terrorist about this.

And as someone (not THE someone, but somebody) explained above,  "SWAT teams" was just a metaphor that our Indonesian imbecile took literally

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:24 AM (UaxA0)

177 So, it's this easy to blow up an oil rig and wreak havoc?

Posted by: al quaeda at April 30, 2010 10:25 AM (aag4W)

178 Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 03:23 PM (pUO5u)

Thanks for that....all om my engineering buds are saying the rig was "state of the art" and this should not have happened.  Guess they got the article too....cause they are saying how amazingly nearly perfect the rig was.

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:25 AM (p302b)

179 161 Obama is sending an A Team of lawyers from the justice department to the oil spill. WTF is that all about?

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2010 03:11 PM (fwSHf)

They want to see if any Black Panther child rapists have been harmed by the spill.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:26 AM (KXW8j)

180

One mouth, many mouths, same hydraulic principles apply.  I studied oceanography in college, and I'm a sailor, very aware of tides, currents and how prevailing winds can affect drift.  Just saying -- the river currents aren't going to hold the oil offshore, more's the pity.

Thanks for putting the info.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at April 30, 2010 10:26 AM (XYipd)

181 And as someone (not THE someone, but somebody) explained above,  "SWAT teams" was just a metaphor that our Indonesian imbecile took literally

Spot on. But I guess I understand tea bag speak. Must make me a racist

Posted by: Hobo at April 30, 2010 10:27 AM (mMdWG)

182 Money?  Burning?  I know!  Let's PRINT MORE!!!

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 30, 2010 10:27 AM (IKKIf)

183

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 03:20 PM (UaxA0)

I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe that this type of drilling rig wouldn't have safety shutoffs at multiple locations. You might be right on what you listed but like I say...I'm sure there's more than one.

Of course more info will unfold as this goes on so in the case of all information even what I've been shown I'd take it all with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 10:27 AM (pUO5u)

184 I've seen teh reports from the one survivor who got off the drilling floor minutes before the explosion.

There's nothing terrorist about this.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 03:24 PM

Yeah, my understanding is that they were in the process or had just finished cementing the pipelines and well cap when it blew out.  The theory so far is the cementing job was faulty.  That was the cause of the blow out on the Australian rig.

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 10:28 AM (oflVV)

185 Let me put y'all on some knowledge, behind African American's, Otters are the second most passionate voting block for Chicago Jesus. You know those stories of all the "small donors" to his campaign? They meant actually small (and furry) donors.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 30, 2010 10:28 AM (/iBIN)

186

Stuck in head first, Obama would make a great well plug, like the bodark stumps we used up in Oklahoma.

At least that would be one thing he's qualified for.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:28 AM (KXW8j)

187

Otters are my favorite animal after humans and dogs, so don't like to see it but those are the breaks.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 30, 2010 03:00 PM (7VvJB)

 

Mine, too.

 

Otter: Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests – we did.
[winks at Dean Wormer]
Otter: But you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

 

 

Posted by: A Casual Observation at April 30, 2010 10:29 AM (ITzbJ)

188 Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 03:24 PM (UaxA0)

If I inadvertently intimated that I thought that I'm sorry.  I was trying to say that the way they communicate about stuff like that is the way they are communicating about this.  We are hearing nothing.

I guess I should just have highlighted their lack of communication and what that means and why they do it.

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:29 AM (p302b)

189 Cute and fuzzy, right.  Until you try to pet one.  Not the otters, the Iranians.

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2010 10:31 AM (GwPRU)

190

Yeah, my understanding is that they were in the process or had just finished cementing the pipelines and well cap when it blew out.  The theory so far is the cementing job was faulty.  That was the cause of the blow out on the Australian rig.

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 03:28 PM (oflVV)

I think that it is more likely that there was a casing collapse, or that the liner split and released the pent-up gas.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:31 AM (KXW8j)

191

"The A TEAM from the DOJ?  HOLDER!  Why wasn't I informed that we hired B.A. BARACUS  at the DOJ?!?!  I've been wanting to meet that nizzle for years now. Shit."


Posted by: BA Barakus Obama at April 30, 2010 10:32 AM (UaxA0)

192 I blame immodest women.

Posted by: Ayatollah at April 30, 2010 10:33 AM (WE7/y)

193 THIS SHIT MUST END.

But how shall we do it?


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 03:13 PM (UaxA0)

Try to grow a fucking brain.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:33 AM (KXW8j)

194

THEY WERE NOT IN PLACE, but could have been.  Could they have stopped this?  Not 100% sure.....

I appreciate the info, but if they would not have helped, it's pure symbolism. Let's wait for the facts before we blame Bush. (Which I generally have no problem doing when appropriate.)

Posted by: CJ at April 30, 2010 10:33 AM (9KqcB)

195 Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 03:31 PM (KXW8j)

I don't know much about this but could the many earthquakes in the area have weakened the concrete in the rig...I mean did they outfit it with something like the do with big buildings in LA so that it can withstand earthquakes.

I maybe can understand the swat teams....but the lawyers????


Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 10:33 AM (p302b)

196 When gasoline goes to $7 a gallon, each Congressman will have their own personal bodyguard.  And they'll need it.

Posted by: GarandFan at April 30, 2010 10:34 AM (6mwMs)

197 Hate to add to the tinfoil hattery about this but the rig's owner (BP) is the most heavily invested in alternative energy of all its competitors.

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 10:35 AM (NY7mQ)

198  And why the swat teams on every rig?   

and why isn't the media asking these questions?

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 03:21 PM (p302b)

That's in case the rigs get invaded by teams of armed grannies with scuba gear.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:36 AM (KXW8j)

199

Blow up an oil rig,  temporarily ruin the enviornment, torture a few red states for awhile, raise taxes. And 11 dead Republican voters. I don;t see a downswide to this incident.

 

 

Posted by: Lord God Zero at April 30, 2010 10:36 AM (YmPwQ)

200

When gasoline goes to $7 a gallon, each Congressman will have their own personal bodyguard.  And they'll need it.

Don't say that shit.

Posted by: CJ at April 30, 2010 10:37 AM (9KqcB)

201 (BP) is the most heavily invested in alternative energy of all its competitors.

Their money, or federal money?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 30, 2010 10:38 AM (mR7mk)

202 57 People forget that Mexico had a well explosion and leak in the 70"s that was worse than this and oil slicks would show up on the Texas coast for over a year.

Posted by: Otter at April 30, 2010 02:35 PM (m2CN7)

And the rig was owned by the governor of Texas at the time, Bill Clements.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:38 AM (KXW8j)

203

I think that it is more likely that there was a casing collapse, or that the liner split and released the pent-up gas.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 03:31 PM

Oh I think there are many possibilties but so far they've found that arch-enemy Halliburton to blame, since they were responsible for the cementing at both rigs. Here's the article at the WSI...    http://tinyurl.com/3yv3l5x

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 10:38 AM (oflVV)

204 206, theirs but heavily subsidized by way of tax breaks I bet.

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 10:39 AM (NY7mQ)

205 Libtards yelling how Cheney had his hand in this in 3....2.....1.......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2010 10:40 AM (UOM48)

206 I heard somewhere that these well do not  have the required remote controlled shutdown systems that the European drill sites have. If true, why not?

Posted by: mbabbitt at April 30, 2010 10:40 AM (p/jtE)

207 Sorry..I meant WSJ.

Posted by: Deanna at April 30, 2010 10:40 AM (oflVV)

208 I don't know much about this but could the many earthquakes in the area have weakened the concrete in the rig...I mean did they outfit it with something like the do with big buildings in LA so that it can withstand earthquakes.

Posted by: curious at April 30, 2010 03:33 PM (p302b)

Those aren't anywhere near this well, and besides, the Gulf Coast has been subsiding for 50 million years. 

This is just a local failure of something - probably a crack formed around the well bore, or the cement wasn't heavy enough to keep down the gas pressure, or the casing split during cementing but nothing out of the ordinary list of potential oilfield fuckups.

Shit happens downhole, especially in overpressured clastic reservoirs.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:43 AM (KXW8j)

209

151
I hate oil spills -- they're hideous, they're destructive, and their effects linger forever.

 

ummmm not forever

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at April 30, 2010 10:44 AM (8ajtw)

210 Of course they send in the lawyers.  Then the journalists.  Got a crisis?  Those are the real heroes, to the left anyway.

Posted by: brak at April 30, 2010 10:45 AM (W5NBA)

211 Ace, you know how sometimes Rush sounds like you're reading your blog? This post sounds like you've been reading the Ticker Guy: http://tinyurl.com/25d7j7b

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 10:46 AM (NY7mQ)

212 214, yes. Wasn't the Valdez spill zone clean much faster than expected?

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 10:46 AM (NY7mQ)

213

 The theory so far is the cementing job was faulty.  That was the cause of the blow out on the Australian rig.

Deanna, what is the cementing process, and how does it work?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:46 AM (XYipd)

214 TexasJew

This incident followed Obama's unsuccessful negotiations with BP in brokering a new deal, then his cover "announcement" to supposedly open offshore drilling that wouldn't have opened any but would close locations. No such thing as coincidence for detectives questioning the timing, considering that prior to the explosion, there was no indication of a problem.

"Mr. Obama said SWAT teams were being dispatched to the Gulf to investigate oil rigs and said his administration is now working to determine the cause of the disaster."

Too weird, as if Obama's assessment of anything has any veracity. SWAT Teams are sharp shooters, not oil rig experts, no? /Are they going to shoot the survivors?

Posted by: maverick muse at April 30, 2010 10:47 AM (H+LJc)

215

151
I hate oil spills -- they're hideous, they're destructive, and their effects linger forever.

 

ummmm not forever

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at April 30, 2010 03:44 PM (8ajtw)

The Gulf throws up oil all the time, and has for millions of years. Tarballs coated the beaches in Texas long before any  offshore drilling started.

I was down on Padre Island when the big '79 spill occured. You couldn't hardly tell less than 3 months later.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:48 AM (KXW8j)

216

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 03:46 PM (NY7mQ)

Like I say, mother nature has a way of cleaning up our messes.

BTW, I go silver fishing in Valdez every August/September. Beautiful country and no sign of an oil spill anywhere.

Posted by: Bosk at April 30, 2010 10:50 AM (pUO5u)

217 Ace, I think you're missing a few key points.

1.  Barack Obama is an absolutely awful manager. Over the entire week since the rig exploded and sank, he's been doing absolutely nothing but campaigning. He campaigned for finance reform.  He campaigned against Arizona's immigration law.  He campaigned with the NY fuckin' Yankees. 

2.  Napolitano makes Michael Brown look like a genius. She is absolutely clueless and I guarantee you that she could not find Louisiana on a map with the state marked in big purple letters.

3.  The entire response effort violates every tenet known to disaster response planners.  They have thrown the Incident Command System out the window and they're winging it.  Who is the administration's "point man" or "point woman" on this event?  Who is in command?  Who's is charge?  They've been trying to run this thing by committee, with pathetically predictable results.

4.  Where is Craig Fugate?  He is the FEMA Director, and probably one of the best response managers on the planet.  He was first appointed by Jeb Bush to run Florida's office of emergency management.  He did such a good job with the 2004 and 2005 hurricane seasons that the state told FEMA to stay out of their way.  Why is a middle aged, professional white man being kept silent and in a corner office, somewhere?

It all goes back to #1:  The fact that this man child couldn't run a kindergarten lemonade stand.  If we ever have another terrorist attack, or another disastrous hurricane season, people will suffer and die in numbers that make Katrina look like a bad flu season.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at April 30, 2010 10:51 AM (fwEi7)

218

Deanna, what is the cementing process, and how does it work?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 03:46 PM (XYipd)

You set a string of iron casing and then cement around it to set it into place.

The cement dries in less than 24 hours and then you drill thorough the bottom cement shoe and drill deeper, using a smaller drillbit.

It's done on every well in the world. The first use of a conductor pipe was by Colonel Drake in Titusville, back in 1859.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 10:52 AM (KXW8j)

219

put me to some knowledge then, TexasJew.  When you have billion-dolllar corporations feeding at the pubblic trough and getting politicians elected so they can further gorge themselves on my hard-earned labort, what the fuck do you propose?

And otter, I don't give a shit about "blaming bush," you fucking idjit.  i blame rent-seeking, greedy bastard protofascists who want to grease their own skids by using MY fucking tax dollars. 

I've been here an awfully long time, my pretend internet friends. Lots o different nics, but my dislike of Bush has very little to do with his lack of enviro "concern."  He was a big government tool, and a tool of his own favored corporate interests.  Like BO is a tool of Goldman (trying to show them who's boss, HA)


I'd like to see this crony capitalism end in short order.    When these fuckers put our working men in danger and out of work, my sympathy does not run to their bottom fucking line. 

Experimental or not, it was a hell of a lot better investment that a new corporate jet for BP or some fat-ass's second quarter 2004 bonus


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 10:54 AM (UaxA0)

220

Ace, you know how sometimes Rush sounds like you're reading your blog?

There have been about half a dozen times when I got the impression Krauthammer might have been reading.  Not that he needs the help, btw.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 10:54 AM (XYipd)

221 I understand that the earth releases oil under its own pressure, anyway, resulting tarballs. So to an extent, drilling eases the pressure, utilizing the oil  rather than cleaning up after the fact, no accidents in the scenario.

Posted by: maverick muse at April 30, 2010 10:54 AM (H+LJc)

222 Napolitano makes Michael Brown look like a genius. She is absolutely clueless and I guarantee you that she could not find Louisiana on a map with the state marked in big purple letters.
--GulfCoastTider

Hohoho!

Posted by: maverick muse at April 30, 2010 10:56 AM (H+LJc)

223 "There are no solutions, only Trade-offs." -Thomas Sowell

Posted by: Andrew at April 30, 2010 10:58 AM (l4wgH)

224

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 03:54 PM (UaxA0)

What does this have to do with Bush or Halliburton or BP or anyone..

This is an oilfield accident. People were tragically killed - happens all the time when you're drilling into the deep earth. And moreover, Halliburton is great company, full of amazingly competent people and leading edge technology.

They are the ones responsible for the Bakken wells now producing hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil per day up in North Dakota. I work with those people and respect them tremendously, as does every oilman, engineer, geologist, driller, toolpusher and roughneck all over the world.

 Don't start that shit with me.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 11:01 AM (KXW8j)

225

LOL otter.

Like the leftists, I hate their IDEA of America, much as they love only that idea to the exclusion of real Americans.  I love real Americans, to the exclusion of ideas about how it's intellectually "proper" to run the country.

Not a pure free-marketer, hate the socialists, too. 

In another time, what might be called "conservative," as in distrusting in ideologies, but trusting in the good and common sense of the American people.

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 11:02 AM (UaxA0)

226

I don't know about you, but I believed the oil industry's claims about their new blowout prevention technology. Now I feel like a sucker.

The Gulf fiasco is such a godsend to the green energy grifters that I almost considered the possibility of sabotage for a moment.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 30, 2010 11:03 AM (w41GQ)

227 Barry Lied, Otters Died

Posted by: damian at April 30, 2010 11:05 AM (4WbTI)

228

the BP accident has nothing to do with Halliburton as a crony capitalist corp.

Halliburton is a crony capitalist corporation, though.  Just as is Goldman, Mattel, BP, and every other fucking company or industry that employs lobbyists to influence legislation.  In other words, every last fucking one of them.

I would like to see corporations precluded from lobbying .  No limits on individuals contributing to campaigns, no limits on individuals spending their OWN money on campaigns.  No corporate or union spending in elections, no corporate or union lobbying.  A true citizen government. 

Not that it's likely though.

Also, you're off the clock now, you can stop acting as the Halliburton PR director.  Have a drink.


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 11:06 AM (UaxA0)

229

I would like to see corporations precluded from lobbying .  No limits on individuals contributing to campaigns, no limits on individuals spending their OWN money on campaigns.  No corporate or union spending in elections, no corporate or union lobbying.  A true citizen government. 

Sure, but corps should be exempt from paying taxes too in that case.

Posted by: Scott J. at April 30, 2010 11:09 AM (NY7mQ)

230 Also, you're off the clock now, you can stop acting as the Halliburton PR director.  Have a drink.


Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 04:06 PM (UaxA0)

I'm never off the clock out here in the oil patch. Let's not get all knee-jerky about crony capitalism, with Warren Buffet - the king of Crony Capitalism - having his sycophantic confab up in Omaha. That is one socialist ass-kisser.

And I agree with you that BP sucks, with their hippie-dippy shit, "Beyond Petroleum", etc. What a scam.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 11:11 AM (KXW8j)

231 Do like the Albertans. Develop your oil shales. 2 trillion barrels of oil right under your feet. Oh, i forgot that they're mostly federal lands. Oh well, watch the oil float around or shut the wells in when a hurricane approaches. Offshore oil development is also much more expensive. Your precedent will have all the answers, because he's so intelligent.lol.

Posted by: Oil guy from Alberta at April 30, 2010 11:14 AM (kNP/V)

232

Posted by: Oil guy from Alberta at April 30, 2010 04:14 PM (kNP/V)

You mean the Athabascan tar sands, not oil shales.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 30, 2010 11:17 AM (KXW8j)

233 And now, we have this:

Leaked Memo: Gusher?

This is my local paper's site.  The thing could become a mega-mega-disaster if the wellhead goes.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at April 30, 2010 11:20 AM (fwEi7)

234

Let's not get all knee-jerky about crony capitalism, with Warren Buffet - the king of Crony Capitalism - having his sycophantic confab up in Omaha. That is one socialist ass-kisser.

I'd like to string that fucker up, too, but it's the rare asshole that has enough of his very own money to influence the political process.  Buffett, Soros, etc., make me almost want to agree with that wealth tax bullshit that the tyrant in chief is floating like a turd-bubble along with the most regressive tax in existence, the VAT.


And Scott, corporations pay taxes not so they can lobby, but for the privilege of limiting the liability of their shareholders.  Eliminate the corporate veil, make shareholders personally liable for the corporation's debts, and corporations should pay no taxes.

Deal?

Posted by: s'moron at April 30, 2010 11:23 AM (UaxA0)

235

TJ, oilies, question:  How deep are these wells?  If indeed the flow becomes unchecked--threating millions of gallons spilled a day, as the leaked report says--isn't there a good chance the casing will collapse?  I mean, w/o much, if any, back pressure?

Insufficient back pressure--flowing the well too quickly--was the cause of a couple of major deep well failures in the Anadarko Basin in Oklahoma back in the good ol' days.  But they were very deep.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 11:34 AM (XYipd)

236

Another question:  Wouldn't there be some kind of shut off valve at the wellhead that could be cranked closed by adventurous guys in a space-age submarine?

(Adventurous guys in a space-age submarine cranking the well closed is property of undersigned creating the slugline for the definitive shitty movie that will soon be made.  All rights reserved.  However, if Bruce Willis and his Armageddon team get the call from Washington, I'll be willing to settle for 1 point in the movie, provided my name is displayed prominantly in the opening and closing credits.  And provided my name appears in a larger typeface than Ben Affleck's  name.)

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 11:44 AM (XYipd)

237 Another question:  Wouldn't there be some kind of shut off valve at the wellhead that could be cranked closed by adventurous guys in a space-age submarine?

That would be the blowout preventer valve, and it failed shortly after the explosion and fire.  On deep water wells like this one, the preventer valve has to go near the sea floor.  On shallow water and landside rigs, that valve is much more easily accessible.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at April 30, 2010 11:52 AM (fwEi7)

238

Not trying to start anything, but being serious here --

Developing oilfields and oil products is the dangerous work that makes our way of life possible. Kudos to all who work in this industry.

We can go through all of the companies in all aspects of oil exploration, production, refining and transportation and find two conspicuous things: BP seems to be involved in bad events, and Chevron does not.

I don't think that Chevron is especially lucky or that BP is unlucky, except to the extent that each company makes its luck, whether good or bad. There's something about these two similar companies that makes them very different in important ways.

Thoughts?

Posted by: FireHorse at April 30, 2010 11:55 AM (cQyWA)

239

That would be the blowout preventer valve, and it failed shortly after the explosion and fire.  On deep water wells like this one, the preventer valve has to go near the sea floor.  On shallow water and landside rigs, that valve is much more easily accessible.

What would proximity to the seafloor have to do with it failing?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 12:00 PM (XYipd)

240 Have they even tried it yet? 

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 12:00 PM (XYipd)

241 What would proximity to the seafloor have to do with it failing?

Nothing to do with its failure, but the ability to access it and operate or replace it.  When you're in 50 feet of water, you can send divers down to either shut off the valve or install a new one.  But when the valve is 5,000 feet below the surface, you have to use very expensive and cumbersome UROV's, and their capability is limited by their lack of mobility.  Also, commercial diving is often a work-by-touch operation.  The UROV's must be able to see, and they can't always see through murky water.

If the administration's response had been what Gouget says they should have done, then most of the oil would already be contained and the resources could be used to shut off the flow.  But now that Obama, Napolitano & Co. have a full blown clusterfuck on their hands, resources are going to cleanup rather than blowout control.

This is Obama's Valdez, and since the media will give that useless manchild a pass, we need to sound off about it with righteous indignation.  Obama didn't cause the rig to explode and sink, but the botched response is his tarball baby.

NOTE TO PC Types:  An oil "tarball" is a common occurrence along the Gulf Coast, and they're caused by natural oil seepage from the gulf floor.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at April 30, 2010 12:30 PM (fwEi7)

242 I've run into a few tarballs on South Padre.  But that was 30 years ago.  Last time I went, there weren't any.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 30, 2010 12:59 PM (XYipd)

243 Those otters will be fine. I cover my gerbil in petroleum jelly all the time and he is just super.

Posted by: Allahpundito at April 30, 2010 01:13 PM (WZFkG)

244

I think that it would be a totally wonderful idea to shut down gas and oil production in the Gulf of Mexico.  So when the cost of home heating next winter sky-rockets the evil, fiendish, diabolical humans heating their homes with natural gas or oil can feel the effect of their devilry right in their bank accounts.

That first shock should take place just about when the November elections occur.  And those humans deserve every bit of what they are going to get.

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Someone made an interesting point.  He said for there to have been that much gas, they would have had to have had problems with the hole for a long time, and that they never would have run casing--they would have let it stabilize first.  He said things were fine with the hole.

This was some guy who said he worked on the well.  He was on Savage.

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I hate to say it, but "drill, baby, drill" (or, the more 'refined' sounding "drill here, drill now, pay less") is pushed with the same propagandistic, unthinking intensity as "green energy."  I can guarantee you, without even bringing up numbers, figures, or the end-all in American politics, polls, that the vast majority of people saying "drill, baby, drill" considers it a 'miracle solution' (jobs AND energy independence AND national security...) and something like a spill is a minor speedbump that can be explained away by suggesting that they DO actually care about the effects on wildlife, but instantly qualifying with 'there are risks we have to take' on and on.

It's just interesting how you make these points about the Miracle Solution about 'their' energy ideas, without making the same point about the offshore-and-ANWR-drilling mantra crowd.

If 'we' really were all about thinking and reason, where's nuclear?

Funny how this oil spill brings out an even stronger resolve for offshore drilling, ignoring the biggest failings (essentially regulating nuclear out of existence) of the federal government (who favors and subsidizes 'big oil' at every possible turn and opportunity).

Alas.

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