December 31, 2013

Cracked: Why Lists, the "Viral" Mentality, and Buzzfeed All Suck
— Ace

Kind of what I've been thinking of late.

I make a big exception for John Ekdahl's behind-enemy-lines list of passionately anti-war celebrities who have apparently been kidnapped during the Obama administration.

But most of this is just very easy content and very dumb linkbait.

There is a desperation to get clicks now, and it's apparent in the language used. It's not enough to post 14 hilarious interviews from Ellen in 2013. We have to post "14 Ellen Interviews From 2013 That Made Us Literally ROTFL."

That's a real Buzzfeed article, by the way.

This guy is so annoyed by Buzzfeed he runs a site called Buzzfeed Minus GIFs, in which he quotes Buzzfeed's actual words -- you know, minus the pictures.

For example:

18 Stages Of Getting Addicted To A New TV Show

Ok, so everybody is talking about it. Maybe I should give it a try. Download the first season. Watch the first episode. It seems nice. Watch 5 more episodes. It really is great!! Watch it nonstop for days. Download all seasons. CAN’T STOP WATCHING. Suddenly you get to the latest episode. And for now on you have to wait an entire week for the next one. You feel anxiety. The season ends and you have to wait MONTHS for the next one. The waiting. MORE anxiety. You feel empty. Lonely. But the next season starts and it’s all happiness again. And that’s how you know you’re really addicted.

Or even:

The 19 Worst Things Ever

This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This.

One book I've been talking about lately is Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death.

The idea of the book (which, frankly, is better than the book itself) is an elaboration of Marshall McLuhan's aphorism, "the medium is a message." Which is something [I] never understood until reading this book. The aphorism stands for the proposition that every medium -- whether it be writing, speaking, song, epic poetry, telegraph reports, news journalism, or television -- has embedded deep within it a preference for certain modes of expression and certain types of stories, and thus each medium contains within it an embedded philosophy of thought which cannot be wholly separated from the actual content of the communication.

Thus, the medium itself, to an extent not appreciated enough, is part of the message it carries.

Now, Postman's book contrasts two different media, print and television. His book documents the long fall of America from a print-based method of political discourse to a television-based one. The early New England colonists, he points out, had a literacy rate of 95%, which was unheard of in the world at the time (and is rather high even today). They consumed printed material -- pamphlets, books, all of it -- and even spoke in that fashion. For example, he notes that Lincoln's speechifying, which may sound overly-complex for spoken argument today, was in fact fairly common of the style of rhetoric at the time, and people had no particular trouble following it.

Nowadays, we've lost our ear for long spoken sentences with lots of dependent clauses, and it's all we can do to make sense of them even in print, where we can take our time parsing them out.

This is part of his point: The method of communication breeds a certain method of thought in a population. To Americans living from 1730 to 1870, Lincoln's speeches were not overly-complicated or difficult to follow. They were accustomed to long complicated thoughts in political speech.

This has all changed since the television became the chief conveyance of not merely pop entertainment but, crucially, of political expression and culture itself. I will not belabor the long litany of sins he lays at the feet of television. Suffice to say that he believes that much of the superficiality and stupidity of the modern world is due to television's promotion of a certain style of thought, which is to say a certain style of thoughtlessness: Fast cuts, short sentences, information stripped of context, a disdain for abstractions -- indeed, a disdain for anything that cannot be filmed occurring in the here-and-now.

And the carnival barking-- Dear Lord, the carnival barking. Everything on TV is the best, the latest, the most spectacular, the weirdest, the most shocking. That sort of endless Hype of the Present Moment seems to give a big middle finger to All History Which Has Come Before.

Society is increasingly expressing a preference for the quickest, shallowest, most meaningless sorts of writing. It's the writing equivalent of jelly-bellies.

It's what I call the Nummification of Culture.

We are indeed becoming a more childlike people. We are more and more shirking the expected obligations of adulthood, such as marriage and procreation, and even more basically, we're rejecting the obligation of adults to actually think, in terms of numbers, and of best outcomes, and so forth.

The national mode of thinking is now Nummy. "We" -- and by we I mean Americans, not "we" meaning us here right now -- increasingly think in terms of cute, and easy, and glib, and dumb, and fun.

...

We are indeed becoming a more childlike people. We are more and more shirking the expected obligations of adulthood, such as marriage and procreation, and even more basically, we're rejecting the obligation of adults to actually think, in terms of numbers, and of best outcomes, and so forth.

The national mode of thinking is now Nummy. "We" -- and by we I mean Americans, not "we" meaning us here right now -- increasingly think in terms of cute, and easy, and glib, and dumb, and fun.


A horse on a couch. This has nothing to do with anything I'm writing,
but market research says that I'll lose 50% of readers at this point
if there isn't a Funny Animal Picture interrupting the text.

...

Years ago, when Titanic ruled at the box office, Hollywood began chattering: Will culture -- I mean, popular culture -- be determined by the tastes of the 16-year-old girls who turned that film into a billion-dollar bonanza by repeat viewings?

I think they rather overshot the mark. The culture is now dominated by the tastes and preferences of Tweener Girls. Or, in reality, 50 year old men and women attempting to channel their inner Tweener to appeal to a population which has decided that they were fools to have ever turned 13 at all.

You know, thirteen -- when you lost your innocence. When you stopped thinking Smurfs were All That and a Bag of Gummy Bears.

...

We are drowning in nostalgia and crushing debt and we can't see the latter because we've checked out into our Happy Place to chase the former.

I can't blame the White House or BuzzFeed for these trends. They're pushers, but they didn't create the sad addiction. This stuff works in America.

But why? Why does it work?

When did we all check out of adulthood to revert to tweenerhood? And when did we stop thinking that might be a little indulgent and shameful?

This isn't Buzzfeed's fault or anything. They are merely responding to the signals the market is sending, and the market is sending the signal "Dumb is Easy, and Easy is Holy."

Thanks to @rdbrewer4 for the horse picture.

Posted by: Ace at 12:17 PM | Comments (378)
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1 New Year's Eve blockquote!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2013 12:20 PM (doBIb)

2 Block that shit, 2nd?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 12:20 PM (0FSuD)

3 Shady...slim shady ..

Posted by: armadillo at December 31, 2013 12:21 PM (qQk+U)

4 All NC thread?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 12:21 PM (0FSuD)

5 The Engraying.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:21 PM (cB3Ay)

6 Blockquote is easy.


And holy.

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2013 12:22 PM (doBIb)

7 Aw crap.

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2013 12:22 PM (doBIb)

8 Is this the 51st shade of grey?

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 31, 2013 12:22 PM (jQUem)

9 Cracked makes it whole living with viral crap.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

10 The Facebookization of American Culture.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (MMC8r)

11 I don't fall for link bait, unless it is the right kind of link bait.

Posted by: Ronster at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (Rru72)

12 Minx 0.7 alpha….FTW!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (JpFMR)

13 Cracked is literally just viral crap stacked in a cube with a dude pointing at it saying "amirite?".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (ZPrif)

14 A horse on a couch. This has nothing to do with anything I'm writing, Asylum movie pitch: Horses on couches!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (cB3Ay)

15 TL,DR...

what was this post about anyway?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (q+fqH)

16 Over my head. This a test?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (0FSuD)

17 So many nice, safe, warm gray boxes.
Mmm. Comfy.

Posted by: agoraphobic at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (8AHeV)

18 TL,DR... what was this post about anyway? Beats me.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (cB3Ay)

19 Where do you get a couch that can hold that kind of weight?


I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: Andrew Mendoza and His Bucket at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (8ZskC)

20 Television is a visual medium. That means blood, tits, and "flashiness." Preferably a lot of all three.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (VYM4n)

21 We needn't postulate a conspiracy to dumb down America, we quite willingly embrace it all on our own...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 31, 2013 12:25 PM (vHRtU)

22 looked to me like two horses in that picture...

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 31, 2013 12:25 PM (q+fqH)

23 Dumb People relate to this approach.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:25 PM (KhJ2y)

24 It also means that complex, abstract thought and therefore complex, abstract thinking is disfavored ("discriminated against").

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:26 PM (VYM4n)

25 Cracked complaining about BuzzFeed lists is a whore complaining about 1st date bjs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:26 PM (ZPrif)

26 So ultimately it might benefit the nation to unplug.


Works for me.  Except for here, of course.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:26 PM (P6QsQ)

27 That was a looong post. I tried to read it but the sentences were just too convolo… convulu…uh…too big.

Posted by: Kasper in Arlington at December 31, 2013 12:27 PM (OVmhO)

28 Eloi Nation

H. G. Wells estimated 802,701 AD. 

Turns out he was about 800,000 years too optimistic.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at December 31, 2013 12:27 PM (Rw5vP)

29 I can haz listicles?

Posted by: LOL cats everywhere at December 31, 2013 12:27 PM (AymDN)

30 Where are these 'first date bj's' you speak of?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 31, 2013 12:27 PM (vHRtU)

31 I commented on an old post ..and now I am banned .. help me Mr. Wizard !!

Posted by: armadillo at December 31, 2013 12:27 PM (qQk+U)

32 Well you know Birdfeed Ben and I are not buddies on Twitter Ace.....

now we have been regaled recently here that Upworthy is the new and improved must win battlefield for the right, but the lists post requires less intellect than I just took to scratch my eyebrow.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (TE35l)

33 Is ace in CO now? ha ha

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (0FSuD)

34 TL; DR

Posted by: the goddess, irony at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (8AHeV)

35 Speech becomes simpler and the ideas expressed therein also become simpler and more primal. Everything is reduced to one of 'I want to fight you,' 'I don't want to fight you,' 'I want to have sex with you,' and 'I don't want to have sex with you.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (VYM4n)

36 Hand me that remote.

Posted by: A Horse on a Couch at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (8ZskC)

37 We ought to be doing it, too, though.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (KhJ2y)

38 Society is increasingly expressing a preference for the quickest, shallowest, most meaningless sorts of writing. Twitter. Err no offense, Boss. Short declaratives work when everyone understands what the short hand refers to. I could throw out a snippet from Friedman or Adam Smith or the Simpsons and everyone here would probably get the whole point I'm trying to make. Society is like that, until it isn't. We are rapidly approaching that point at which the sheer illiteracy of our nation make communication an endless ordeal of explanation. When you have to explain the very idea of The Invisible Hand to someone when discussing our economy, you might was well tweet some lolocat.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (QupBk)

39 Cracked is the #1 comedy site on the planet, Alexa rankings-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (ZPrif)

40 Kneecaps are too pointy.

Posted by: horse couch fucker at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (8AHeV)

41 And the context in which all of this is taking place becomes thoroughly irrelevant as everyone focuses on the "action."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (VYM4n)

42 27 ZBBMcFate at December 31, 2013 05:27 PM (Rw5vP)

800, 500 or so anyway....

what irks me is they revel in their idiocy.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:30 PM (TE35l)

43 I always figured Teresa Heinz Kerry would have nicer-looking digs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 31, 2013 12:30 PM (8ZskC)

44 Which end of the horse is John Kerry?

Posted by: Piercello at December 31, 2013 12:30 PM (P4dpU)

45 Nowadays, we've lost our ear for long spoken sentences with lots of dependent clauses, and it's all we can do to make sense of them even in print, where we can take our time parsing them out.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, read Moby Dick.  It is the king of dependent clauses.  It might just make you literate and appreciative of really good writing. 


Or bore you to death.  Either/or

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (6TB1Z)

46 Utterly obligatory:  http://xkcd.com/1307/

The alt text is also killer.


I have a not thought out at all theory that part of the retreat into childishness is the destruction of rewards for hard work.   It used to be that you buckled down and worked hard and became a grown up and yeah it sucked but you had a house and a car and some small measure of security and respect.   Now?  You buckle down and you work hard and yeah it sucks and then your mortgage gets sold off in some kind of exotic default swap and all the people who were given mortgages without good credit or, you know, a job stopped paying their mortgages and now your house is worth half of what it was even though you tightened your belt and keep making the payments.   You work hard and stay at the job you hate but it has good benefits and a great retirement plan and then the markets vomit because hey yeah so that whole we'll never bail out Detroit thing.   Yeah.   You work hard and you try to raise your kids right and then you get a call from the school and Tommy's being expelled because he mentioned that he was excited that he was getting to go to the range with his mom that weekend. 

You work hard and you give time and treasure to candidates who claim that they will stop the growth of Leviathan and then they get elected and not only do they not do what they say they will, they shit on everything you believe and say you are the problem.

Why the hell should you be an adult?   Or, tl;dr, as Insty keeps saying, if being a parent were an ideal, everyone would want a mini van not an SUV. 

Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (Gk3SS)

47 Read.


Read to your children.  Read out loud.  Read out loud to your family.  Read it again.  Read the classics.  Read. 

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (P6QsQ)

48 *high-fives Cicero*

Posted by: Piercello at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (P4dpU)

49 Where are these 'first date bj's' you speak of?

They usually involve an automobile, a seedy part of town, twenty dollars, and local access to crack cocaine.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (SY2Kh)

50 36 toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:29 PM (QupBk)

You can be masterful in a burst of brevity.  Iowahawk, Ace, GayPatriot, and others are masterful at it.

Hell in my prior incarnation during the election I had a few direct hits.


Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (TE35l)

51 I just had an intense deja lire.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:31 PM (sOtz/)

52 The business models of successful media business are important to understand. So, yeah, it's important to understand why BuzzFeed and Cracked and HuffPo and UpWorthy are working in the modern media age.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

53 When you have to explain the very idea of The Invisible Hand to someone when discussing our economy, you might was well tweet some lolocat.

The Invisible Hand would make a great Asylum movie.  I'm thinking women's locker room. 

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (6TB1Z)

54 Nice horse.

Posted by: fluffy; not a tweener at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (Ua6T/)

55 Can't do accents. May not fit in barrel any more after the holidays.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (sOtz/)

56 "Moving pictures" have always been a form of "mass entertainment." They've always appealed to people's "subliterate" instincts and impulses and the desire to be part of something greater than themselves. But "moving pictures" are becoming "movier" and "picturier."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (VYM4n)

57 Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at December 31, 2013 05:31 PM (Gk3SS) Dear goat fucking Mohammed. Why not just hand out revolvers with a single bullet to go along with that post?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (JpFMR)

58 Which is to say, more idiocratic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (VYM4n)

59 beagle, hey. it would actually be déja-lu. "Lu" is "read." So deja-vu, deja-lu.

Posted by: ace at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (/FnUH)

60 I didn't choose lobotomy; it chose me.

Posted by: Set lobe free at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (R6JT1)

61 And Tom Hanks is always in the #1 movie of the year... weeks before it's released.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (KhJ2y)

62 50 Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 05:32 PM (ZPrif)

and we accomplish this by shilling for it nonstop, and BETTER aiding the degradation of the ability to think by encouraging an ever widening devolution of the use of sequential thought in communication.

Aces FJ....aces.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (TE35l)

63 Phew. Good for me.  Was it good for you?

Posted by: caption for horse on couch photo at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (wAQA5)

64 I commented on an old post ..and now I am banned .. help me Mr. Wizard !!

Posted by: armadillo at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (qQk+U)

65 51 Reasons Buzzfeed Has The Nummies You Need Right Now

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (tWmgi)

66 i mean "lu" is *past participle" of "read," pronounced red, not present-tense read, pronounced reed.

Posted by: ace at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (/FnUH)

67 BuzzFeed skews heavily female, according to Alexa data.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:35 PM (ZPrif)

68 I saw Ellen DeGeneres open for the invisible hand back in '97 at BirkenStock.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:35 PM (TE35l)

69 At the same time, people become ever more impressed by production values, special effects, and other superficial metrics tangential to inherent, higher-order artistic value.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:35 PM (VYM4n)

70 I'm going to use deja-lu three times before midnight tonight.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:35 PM (QupBk)

71 I've never been to Buzzfeed.  I've never tweeted.  I don't know what is Instagram.  Me and maybe 80 - 90% of all Americans.  Don't get seduced into thinking anything ... ANYTHING on the Internet really matters.

It's like gays mistakenly believing their insular little 3% world is representative of some larger shit.  Hahahahaha.

We were bumbling along a hundred years ago, and we'll mostly be bumbling along in another hundred.  Nothing really changes in human nature or aspirations that much.  Any marked deviance is transient.

Bacon abounds.

Posted by: Kate58 at December 31, 2013 12:36 PM (oLZsm)

72 68 toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:35 PM (QupBk)

If I use Deja-Loo I'll need some depends before supper.


Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:36 PM (TE35l)

73 And, as people become dumber, the whole experience becomes not so much even about what is going on, but rather whether one is ogling famous thespians or not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (VYM4n)

74 And that's how you get Idiocracy. Truly brilliant post, Ace. /optional movie review snark here.

Posted by: real joe at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (xXhgd)

75 Would a movie that had a) a plot; b) great acting; and c) no CGI make money these days

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (vHRtU)

76 Remember those useless, smiley, happy people in Civilization - thats now us.

Vaguely on topic:  http://tinyurl.com/oqqdyfb

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (4JkHl)

77 Ace isn't shilling for BuzzFeed or Cracked, he's trying to understand and criticize them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (ZPrif)

78 We were bumbling along a hundred years ago, and we'll mostly be bumbling along in another hundred. Nothing really changes in human nature or aspirations that much. Any marked deviance is transient.

Bacon abounds.


Man, that's poetry right there is what that is.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (6TB1Z)

79 Dammit, Fredo, you put the horse's head in the bed. Not the horse on the fold out bed/couch.

Posted by: Tom Hagan at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (2ljO9)

80 69 Kate58 at December 31, 2013 05:36 PM (oLZsm)

I have only used Twitter in the mass media online wars.

Kate my problem is of the 80 or hell let's agree 90% who never play online idiocy the app how many are literate in the classical sense and perusing traditional media(which leans largely moonbat) with a wary eye/ear?

I am dying to know.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (TE35l)

81 I think you are right, ace. French is like hairy butt sex. Not really worth the effort. Everyone here is from Puerto Rico, South Asia, China, or the Middle East. Maybe I can find some nice Algerians to speak French to me.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (sOtz/)

82 Which leads to the development of a derived entertainment industry, which revolves around the "real lives" of these actors, now completely divorced from even the pretense of any artistic function.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:38 PM (VYM4n)

83 I guess I should resolve to read some deep shit this new year. I have become a laggard in that department. Curse You, Interwebs!

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (QupBk)

84 Read out loud. Read out loud to your family. Read it again. Read the classics. Read. "Dear Penthouse Forum,"....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (cB3Ay)

85 BuzzFeed is the 60th most popular site in the US. #168 on the planet.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (ZPrif)

86 "The medium is the massage" - Geoff Coe

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (aDwsi)

87 Cracked complaining about BuzzFeed lists is a whore complaining about 1st date bjs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 05:26 PM (ZPrif)


Holy shit this. List making is Cracked entire business model, also Bleacher Report.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 31, 2013 12:39 PM (WdbF7)

88 Would a movie that had a) a plot; b) great acting; and c) no CGI make money these days
Posted by: OG Celtic-American

No.  I'm sort of hoping they go all CG and we can get rid of the annoying Hollywood culture of idiots and outsource it all to animation teams in sweaty SE Asian workshops.

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (4JkHl)

89 Read the classics. Read. --------- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (aDwsi)

90 >>>Which leads to the development of a derived entertainment industry, which revolves around the "real lives" of these actors, now completely divorced from even the pretense of any artistic function. yeah we've got that now, pretty much. But at some point we'll just officially decide we don't care about the Celebrities' movies, just their lives. Like in Neuromancer, right?

Posted by: ace at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (/FnUH)

91 Ace isn't shilling for BuzzFeed or Cracked, he's trying to understand and criticize them.

Cracked is a humor site, and nobody thinks it represents deep thought.  It's just junk food for people who need a bit of fun.  There's nothing wrong with that.  I know nothing of Buzzfeed.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (6TB1Z)

92 This is why Man will never leave this Solar System. We're just not that smart. Evolution, you mutter? If anything, humans are becoming dumber. And: hahaha.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:40 PM (KhJ2y)

93 75 Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 05:38 PM (ZPrif)

I was not speaking of Ace shilling for them, I was speaking of YOU shilling for them.

I have perused Ace's thoughts on List-o-rama voluntary illiterate "commentary" for a long while....

I have also been treated to your "analysis" of Upworthy.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:41 PM (TE35l)

94 I do think technology has a lot to do with it.

Need to make a convincing argument that your client should buy your product or service?  Shut up and give this Powerpoint presentation full of graphs and stock pictures.

Deciding on a new place to live?  Why waste time driving around and talking to people?  Pull up the Forbes Top Ten Most Livable Cities list.

Your car engine acting up?  Fuck it, you won't fix that shit yourself without a Cray supercomputer anyways- take it to the shop.

Want to share the news of the day with a buddy?  Text them a link instead.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 12:41 PM (SY2Kh)

95 Would a movie that had a) a plot; b) great acting; and c) no CGI make money these days

--------------------



What is CGI?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:41 PM (P6QsQ)

96 Nothing really changes in human nature or aspirations that much. Any marked deviance is transient. Well, since the default state of man is fear, hunger and stench, I fear you are correct. Civilization is an endless battle against the entropy of barbarism.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:41 PM (QupBk)

97 A horse on a couch. This has nothing to do with anything I'm writing, but market research says that I'll lose 50% of readers at this point if there isn't a Funny Animal Picture interrupting the text. I see this reminds me of Animal House & NDH In case I don't comment anymore today. Hope that Ace. Cobs and morons have a happy & safe New Years.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 12:41 PM (HVff2)

98 Your market research was correct about the horse photo.

Posted by: Totes Nummified at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (wAQA5)

99 Read the classics. Read. ------------- "Call me Ishmael.."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (aDwsi)

100 90 soothsayer at December 31, 2013 05:40 PM (KhJ2y)

Yup, we're doomed to stagnate on this dirt ball because the majority of mankind is worried about being gifted a great lifestyle and lolcats.

I think my march into bitterness was not so much about Obama but about an America that can be so easily conned by Obama.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (TE35l)

101 Computer generated imaging

Posted by: real joe at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (xXhgd)

102 which brings to mind this quote from The Man: "Each new generation born is in effect an invasion of civilization by little barbarians, who must be civilized before it is too late."

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (QupBk)

103 I guess I should resolve to read some deep shit this new year. I have become a laggard in that department.

Don't read it because it's deep, read it because with a bit of persistence, you'll develop a taste for really good writing, and that is its own reward.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:43 PM (6TB1Z)

104 I've never been to Buzzfeed. I've never tweeted. I don't know what is Instagram. Me and maybe 80 - 90% of all Americans. Wrong. 15% of US Adults use twitter. Close to 2/3 use Facebook. And that's just adults. You gotta imagine the numbers are much higher for the teenage demographic. http://tinyurl.com/kelmpc2

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 12:43 PM (JpFMR)

105 We are attracted to it because it looks better, more exciting and it has expected outcomes.

Real life not so much.

Humans have always wanted this sort of distraction but could never achieve it.

Now, thanks to technology, we can. So we do.

I know I'd rather live (even if falsely) in somewhere where it was nice and clean and fun and I wasn't expected to do the dirty jobs of life.

Of course I also know that that wouldn't last too long.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:43 PM (LSDdO)

106 Speech becomes simpler and the ideas expressed therein also become simpler and more primal. Everything is reduced to one of 'I want to fight you,' 'I don't want to fight you,' 'I want to have sex with you,' and 'I don't want to have sex with you.' Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 05:28 PM (VYM4n) Double plus ungood!

Posted by: I can haz INGSOC at December 31, 2013 12:43 PM (AymDN)

107 Context is first replaced by decontextualized action, and decontextualized action is eventually replaced by decontextualized actors. Decontextualized actors are eventually replaced by mere people enjoying a "famous, yet thoroughly mundane existence," made famous, and therefore "important" by their formerly important artistic function.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:43 PM (VYM4n)

108 Anyway, is the quote above the horse supposed to repeat? It's freaking me out man.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (sOtz/)

109 89 pep at December 31, 2013 05:40 PM (6TB1Z)

Cracked is Mad magazine with less relevance.

Birdfeed on the other hand has pretensions of adequacy as a political site.

It is dangerous.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (TE35l)

110 Cracked is a humor site, and nobody thinks it represents deep thought.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 05:40 PM (6TB1Z)


Tell that to the writers.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (WdbF7)

111 Fastest wit gets the plaudit.

Posted by: 2 slo 4 a 6 tape at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (R6JT1)

112 And all these things end up becoming important because everyone considers them to be important, and therefore they must be discussed, because they are important.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:45 PM (VYM4n)

113 100 which brings to mind this quote from The Man: "Each new generation born is in effect an invasion of civilization by little barbarians, who must be civilized before it is too late." Posted by: toby928©

And there's the difference between libs and conservatives in a nutshell.  They think they'll make a new man who won't have the same flaws as those who came before.  We know better. 

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:45 PM (6TB1Z)

114 Well an early Happy Year to all the Morons and like thinking people.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2013 12:45 PM (nzKvP)

115 It's important to understand modern media. Even trends that are annoying. Even trends that don't bode well for good government, good thought, or good people. Ignorance is rarely a wise tactic.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

116 I can't wait for the sequel, Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death While Fcuking You Over, A Politician's Perspective.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2013 12:45 PM (eHIJJ)

117 sven, we no longer strive to achieve Great Things we strive for, what, to stop bullying, to stop weather, and to convert the Pope to anti-Catholicism we're all done

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:46 PM (KhJ2y)

118
What's the joke mate?

Posted by: Mr. Ed's Cock at December 31, 2013 12:46 PM (pJF+c)

119 108 Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 31, 2013 05:44 PM (WdbF7)

The writers *are* Pajama Boy's siblings...it is not important they know they're hacks so long as society knows they're hacks.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:46 PM (TE35l)

120 New Years plans cancelled here.  Snow and icy roads into tomorrow.  Now what am I going to do with all this food?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:46 PM (P6QsQ)

121 Cracked is just like the Daily Show. It does the Clown Nose On/Clown Nose Off thing all the time. A lot of the Cracked stuff is barely comic and just straight up moralizing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (ZPrif)

122 I've always excelled at debate. That's mostly because I read often. I also read varying subjects- mostly because I have eclectic tastes.

That being said, most debates today are not even a challenge. Most people read a Wiki or snip of an article re-posted on a blog with mind numbing commentary. Once you get about two-levels down in the discussion many people today start to dissemble and just make stuff up.

Unless it's a debate a some obscure episode of "Lost" or "Idol", many people can't even hold a ten minute conversation.

It is actually sad, the nation is mostly filled with idiots who can't even perform basic math. God forbid the register ever breaks at Wendy's. Those kids would have a nervous breakdown trying to count back change.

Posted by: Marcus at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (MDwlR)

123 "This is part of his point: The method of communication breeds a certain method of thought in a population."

Like, ya' know, I'm not buying this sh*t. Don't impact me at all, Bitchazz.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (eHIJJ)

124 115 soothsayer at December 31, 2013 05:46 PM (KhJ2y)

Quite, "I'm an American and I do MIGHTY things used to make the heavens tremble...."

now MIGHTY is trying to undo the laws of supply and demand with a hopium induced smile.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (TE35l)

125 People have a natural desire to communicate. But since the desire is a fundamentally social one, the content of the communication isn't necessarily all that important, and, since the whole thing is driven by natural desire, base content might be considered preferable anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:47 PM (VYM4n)

126 Civilization is an endless battle against the entropy of barbarism. Posted by: toby928 ---------- Nicely stated. I generally observe that the story of civilization is the story of man's struggle against his baser instincts. Liberals believe that such a struggle results in individuals which suffer from 'repressed desires', which is why they oppose any limits on behavior. I (as well as all of recorded history) generally feel that it leads to a polite, civil, well-ordered society.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (aDwsi)

127 we're all done Friends, friends. This should be a 'appy occasion.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (QupBk)

128 Think about it. Fifty years ago man strived to put a man on the Moon. Today we strive to remove Richie Icognito from the NFL.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (KhJ2y)

129 That's why Santa has to work like a dog all year. Someone has to pay to support all those dependent clauses.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, tween a rock and a hard place at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (g4TxM)

130 Call me "Wilbur"!

Posted by: horse couch fucker at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (8AHeV)

131 Well, since the default state of man is fear, hunger and stench, I fear you are correct. Civilization is an endless and ultimately futile battle against the entropy of barbarism. Posted by: toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:41 PM (QupBk) Fixed…

Posted by: Flavius Aetius at December 31, 2013 12:48 PM (AymDN)

132 Grammie, can you freeze any of it? No pun intended.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 12:49 PM (Auy5s)

133 Now what am I going to do with all this food?
10 crazy things you can eat and STILL lose weight!!

Posted by: buzz fluff at December 31, 2013 12:49 PM (Ua6T/)

134 This is why Man will never leave this Solar System. ----- -------- ----- Don't bet against the raccoons.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 12:49 PM (sOtz/)

135
Cousin Wilbur has a great ass!

Posted by: John F'n kerry, Sec of State at December 31, 2013 12:49 PM (pJF+c)

136 But most of this is just very easy content and very dumb linkbait. No shit. Having said that, I know it's the way to generate traffic, and I hate to "go that way", which is why my blog lacks content...sigh. Maybe 2014 is the year to fix that, idk...sigh.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 31, 2013 12:49 PM (54dkR)

137 Dear goat fucking Mohammed. Why not just hand out revolvers with a single bullet to go along with that post? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 05:33 PM (JpFMR)


Oh please.   For me that was positively cheery!


Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at December 31, 2013 12:50 PM (Gk3SS)

138 One of the problems of the modern world is that if you consciously steer clear of reality television and other idiocies, and immerse yourself in the classics--or at least very-well written, high-quality literature, you find you have fewer people with whom to communicate with on a daily basis. If everyone at work is talking about the garbage they sat through in front of the television the night before, and you haven't a clue to what they speak of, you look out-of-touch.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 12:50 PM (Usdw3)

139 129 Well, since the default state of man is fear, hunger and stench, I fear you are correct. Civilization is an endless and ultimately futile battle against the entropy of barbarism.

Posted by: toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:41 PM (QupBk)


Fixed…


That's why diasporas are useful.  If you spread out enough, while part of humanity is going to hell, another part is moving forward and can regenerate the rest.  That's the best argument I can think of for space exploration-limit the infection. 

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:50 PM (6TB1Z)

140
...this is just very easy content and very dumb linkbait



And there are guys we know who got major bank from Salem Communications for just that sort of thing.

So, AIDA I guess.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 12:50 PM (kdS6q)

141 Grammie, can you freeze any of it? No pun intended.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 05:49 PM (Auy5s)


----------------



Yup.  I can stick most of it outside and it will be fine till whenever.  No worries about thawing here.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:50 PM (P6QsQ)

142 Catherine.....that was Great!

Posted by: Something a horse on a couch might say at December 31, 2013 12:51 PM (l3vZN)

143 Two thread ago globalista

Wait. You mean people PAID to go on this thing?

hahahahahaha!
Posted by: grammie winger


We paid via the eductrazi tax milking system.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 31, 2013 12:51 PM (DL2i+)

144 Quite, "I'm an American and I do MIGHTY things used to make the heavens tremble...." now MIGHTY is trying to undo the laws of supply and demand with a hopium induced smile. Sven, I must say that you are one of my favorite commenters. You can rub the nub of issues. I weep for our nation. Let the effin dance begin. I do not want to have life halved or love abated.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:51 PM (QupBk)

145 125 toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:48 PM (QupBk)

Oh it is, see Toby I am actually more qualified to excel in a stagnant destabilized fluid world than one that rewards the greatest minds or skills of mankind.

When I was a lad, I was inspired to either apply myself to creation or destruction I chose destruction.

I have many times regretted not mastering an engineering or hard science discipline rather than focusing on History, Poli Sci, and Militaria but the rise of F$A tells me I may not have chosen unwisely after all.

The good parts of my soul are the sadder for it even as my brain tells me it is good to understand the OODA loop.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:51 PM (TE35l)

146 Shove me into shallow water before I get too deep, don't let me get too deep. And I promise to keep shooting rubber bands at the moon.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at December 31, 2013 12:52 PM (hpgw1)

147 "If everyone at work is talking about the garbage they sat through in front of the television the night before, and you haven't a clue to what they speak of, you look out-of-touch. Posted by: JoeyBagels" These days, I consider that a point of pride.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 31, 2013 12:52 PM (jQUem)

148 After a hard day pulling carriages through Central Park a horse deserves a little couch time.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 12:52 PM (EWsrI)

149

Well, we're part of it, aren't we? We like Caturday and dumb animals videos and the Morons sure do like those cheerleaders with the sharp elbows.

 

In the '80's, I liked dumb MTV music vids. When I was a kid in the '60's, I watched "Flipper" and "Bewitched." Perhaps that made me lose a few brain cells, but I also liked "Charlotte's Web" ('60's) and Paul Johnson's "Modern Times" ('80's).

 

I don't know - I guess the problem is not liking viral dumb pop culture stuff, it's when that stuff is the only thing in your head, when you never go any deeper than that.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 12:53 PM (R3gO3)

150 And that's the inevitable outcome of "deculturalization." Stripping people of all culture. It having been deemed "unscientific," "bourgeois," and "racist" in its entirety. All that remains is Proletarian inanity. "Socialist Realism."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 12:53 PM (VYM4n)

151 These days, I consider that a point of pride. Posted by: Hobbitopoly

Oh, I dunno, knowing the exact dimensions of Kim Kardashian's capacious ass is reward enough, isn't it?

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (6TB1Z)

152 And there's the difference between libs and conservatives in a nutshell. They think they'll make a new man who won't have the same flaws as those who came before. We know better. Posted by: pep ---- Liberals do not believe that there is a any such thing as Human Nature.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (aDwsi)

153 Good Lord! You're not going to watch "My Friend Flicka" again?! /Woman to the horse on the couch with the remote.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, tween a rock and a hard place at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (g4TxM)

154 And I can't wait to see the effects of legalized pot in Colorado. Like people aren't lazy and dumb enough today. I am sure it is going to do wonders for labor productivity, crime and the numbers of drug abusers.

But it's all good. The people who have been calling it illegal for years, various law enforcement agencies and narcotics officers, some who have given their life to prevent the sale and distribution- I am certain they are happy about it.

Oh and the legislators, who said it was illegal, who for years connected the dots about the fact pot was a gateway drug and responsible for many tangential costs to our society- now think it is all good  since they get a cut of the action.

Popcorn anyone?

Posted by: Marcus at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (MDwlR)

155 Where did that old lady buy Catherine the Great's sofa?

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (zeV2E)

156 142 toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:51 PM (QupBk)

I'm honored.  Sincerely I know I post a lot, and I know I cloak a lot of what I post in gibberish.  When I write seriously I sometimes do in fact have a point and data.

We are arguing over the crumbs on the table from the WW2-1990s capital flow.

We are not baking more pies.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (TE35l)

157 3 reasons why Cracked is infinitely better than Buzzfeed. 1.) There's actual text and the occasional thoughtful article. Cracked without pictures would still work. 2.) It's a pop culture site and has no pretenses otherwise. Sure there's the usual snark from the liberal writers who have to show their credentials, but I've seen far worse. 3.) Buzzfeed actually pretends to have serious news and people who go to Buzzfeed think they're being informed. Cracked readers are reading escapist stuff. Rather than critique this style, we're better off emulating it. It's like starting Fox News and complaining about chyron graphics and hot news anchors.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 31, 2013 12:54 PM (xSegX)

158 an equine who reclines is far from the divine

Posted by: Animal Farm at December 31, 2013 12:55 PM (R6JT1)

159 [sniff; sniff] Rusty!!!

Posted by: horse couch fucker at December 31, 2013 12:55 PM (8AHeV)

160 Sven, did you know:

10077 is the zip code for San Maurizio Canavese in Piemonte Italy

that

100077 is the zip code for Tashkent Uzbekistan

OR

Singapore

Or

Fengtai, Beijing, China

You're welcome.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:56 PM (LSDdO)

161 118 New Years plans cancelled here. Snow and icy roads into tomorrow. Now what am I going to do with all this food? Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 05:46 PM (P6QsQ) Not snowing here, clear and 7 below

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 12:56 PM (HVff2)

162 Of course, that Cracked article is mostly a high-IQ dude saying he doesn't see what's so interesting about media designed to appeal to low-IQ chicks. Not a shocker. I'm also guessing a smart woman doesn't find media designed for low-IQ dudes very appealing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:56 PM (ZPrif)

163 Not snowing here, clear and 7 below

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 05:56 PM (HVff2)


------------------



So, party's at your house then?  I got meatballs.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 12:57 PM (P6QsQ)

164 158 Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:56 PM (LSDdO)

I knew of the Beijing Zip Code....

and thanks...

I wound up with this long ago because "sven" my favorite number was taken.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:57 PM (TE35l)

165 Posted by: Naes1984 at December 31, 2013 05:54 PM (zeV2E)

There's a matching mounting platform.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:57 PM (LSDdO)

166 When I first started reading Patrick O'brian I was really stuck in modern American culture mode . It took me three tries to be able to read his books with some flow. Too long since I read the classics , I guess . I'm so glad I stuck with it , cause , ya know , the dude fuckin' rocked the language .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 31, 2013 12:57 PM (WK8VM)

167 Hasn't Cracked just said that they shouldn't exist?  All they do are hyperbolic lists.

Posted by: Null at December 31, 2013 12:58 PM (xjpRj)

168 We are bored. Our struggles feel pointless and unnatural. Oh boy, I endured another Monday at the office. Ten thousand years ago a Monday was spent hunting down a bison that could feed your whole tribe. It took brains and brawn and teamwork. Nowadays you plot how to avoid a Friday afternoon meeting.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 12:58 PM (EWsrI)

169 Read the classics. Read.

"The night was moist..."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2013 12:58 PM (eHIJJ)

170 We are arguing over the crumbs on the table from the WW2-1990s capital flow. We are not baking more pies. Yeah. Like that. A great way to explain the looter culture that is the crony state we have been growing into over the last 30 years.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 12:58 PM (QupBk)

171 Exactly. The point of studying what works in modern media is so you can figure out how to get your message out. You could write the new Federalist Papers today and nobody would give a fuck. Cause nobody would bother to read it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 12:59 PM (ZPrif)

172 145, it is a point of pride, a badge of honor, a crown of distinction-whatever. But all those medals start to wear you out. It's just another example of  how things that used to be seen as a mark of education, or knowledge are now judged worthless. I guess what I'm really getting at is....I know a host of truly stupid, culturally ignorant, morally repugnant people who make ten times as much as me....there, I said it.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 12:59 PM (Usdw3)

173 Like people aren't lazy and dumb enough today. I am sure it is going to do wonders for labor productivity, crime and the numbers of drug abusers.

It will be interesting indeed to see what happens in the next 50-100 years, as automation simply renders human beings obsolete in the sense of needing to work to provide value to the rest of society.  What will happen to the naturally industrious 10%?  What kind of a life will the lazy 90% have, and will they be happy?  I seriously doubt it. 

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 12:59 PM (6TB1Z)

174 Which end of the horse is John Kerry?
Posted by: Piercello at December 31, 2013 05:30 PM (P4dpU)

Which ever one takes your fancy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:59 PM (LSDdO)

175 And let's not forget trolls, concern and others, rôle in this debate. [cough; cough]

Posted by: the goddess, irony at December 31, 2013 01:00 PM (8AHeV)

176 I'm sure all of Colorado's prisons will empty, and their tax coffers will overflow, and all types of crime rates will plummet. That's what the NORML-types have been screaming and teaching for decades. I have no problem with pot decriminalization, but the screaming idiots who represent the cause piss me off. Scuzzy liars.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 01:00 PM (ZshNr)

177 People have a natural preference for prestigious content, and a natural aversion to stigmatized content, but the prestige value assigned to content is highly arbitrary, being imposed by a combination of the whims of the social elites and "mass feeling" at any given moment. Prior to the 60s, prestige and stigma were leveraged in a way which could arguably be said to have favored at least the well being of society. But the Cultural Revolution of the 60s has more or less inverted that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 01:01 PM (VYM4n)

178 the Looter Culture good one

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:01 PM (fb5Xr)

179 And again with the technology angle- I used to know the phone numbers of friends, family and the pizza place by memory.

Now?  Fuck it, I press that entry on my phone.  I just talked to my mom on the phone but I'll be damned if I know her number.

If I need to navigate to a place I've never been before?  I don't consult a map and memorize the route, I punch it into my phone and the GPS gives me the shortest route and tells me exactly when to turn.

I don't necessarily think we've become dumber- for every Abraham Lincoln there were a hundred people who couldn't read- but easy, instant access to information and global communication has an impact on us.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 01:01 PM (SY2Kh)

180 "Honey, have you seen my lucky shoes?"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, tween a rock and a hard place at December 31, 2013 01:01 PM (g4TxM)

181 @167 "bored" That's part of it I figure. Unless you live in an active jihad area. They could use some boring.

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2013 01:01 PM (sOtz/)

182 When the govt tells you at 26 you're still a child for the purpose of health insurance, can you really blame the 26 years old for thinking he's a child?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

183 170 Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 05:59 PM (ZPrif)

You cannot encapsulate the arguments for a Constitutional Republic in pics of Platypi and Lolcats with a 12 item list made up of 36 sentences.

A lot of what works in our system as rendered by the founding is counter-intuitive to the unquiet mind.

Don't worry FJ You are correct nobody will read the Founding Documents without coercion or compulsion.....

I am no longer as worried I am preparing for the Post American America.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:02 PM (TE35l)

184 Articles on Cracked's homepage right now: Where Aren't They Now? 16 Overlooked Deaths from 2013 6 True Stories from History Creepier Than Any Horror Movie Viral The 23 Most Surprising (True) Facts About Awful People 4 Reasons 'Viral' Content Stopped Mattering in 2013 Viral The 18 Most Embarrassing Photos of the Next 12 Months The 5 People You Become After a Night of Drinking Viral The 6 Most Bizarrely Offensive Comic Book Supervillains Viral The 7 Most Confusing Morals in Holiday Movies 21 Celebrity Origin Stories That Would Explain Everything The 6 Most Inappropriate Song Choices in Advertising Viral

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:02 PM (ZPrif)

185 176, I had to read it twice, but I like that.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (Usdw3)

186 176 People have a natural preference for prestigious content, and a natural aversion to stigmatized content, but the prestige value assigned to content is highly arbitrary, being imposed by a combination of the whims of the social elites and "mass feeling" at any given moment. Prior to the 60s, prestige and stigma were leveraged in a way which could arguably be said to have favored at least the well being of society. But the Cultural Revolution of the 60s has more or less inverted that. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 06:01 PM (VYM4n) **** Heh- MUMR- you should have inserted a picture of a horse on a couch in the middle of that comment.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, tween a rock and a hard place at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (g4TxM)

187

136 One of the problems of the modern world is that if you consciously steer clear of reality television and other idiocies, and immerse yourself in the classics--or at least very-well written, high-quality literature, you find you have fewer people with whom to communicate with on a daily basis. If everyone at work is talking about the garbage they sat through in front of the television the night before, and you haven't a clue to what they speak of, you look out-of-touch. Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 05:50 PM (Usdw3)

 

 Yep, you nailed it. I found that to be true in high school, when I had a great Irish lit teacher who made me enthusiatic about Yeats and Joyce. I'd walk out of her class all fired up and I had nobody to talk to about it.

 

That's why I thought -at that age- that academia would be the place for me. Because I naively imagined professors sitting around in rooms with fireplaces and wood panels talking about Shakespeare and Moliere. Except now they sit around and talk about queer studies and how great Alinsky and Marx were. And those who want to talk about the Western classics are reactionaries and sexist. So I'm glad now that I didn't become an academic.

 

 But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. There's a whole big block in my mind that wants to talk about that stuff - but if I do, at work or among my family - they'd think I was just being snobbish and boring. So I talk sports with them. I like sports, but it's like a part of me is starved.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (R3gO3)

188 Today Man is striving for... minimum wage? We're fighting the same trivial battles over and over..

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (fb5Xr)

189 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 06:01 PM (VYM4n) You are en fuego today. This year end is bringing out the connoisseurs of the doom.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (QupBk)

190 I wonder about the timeline

I actually think the looter culture started after the USSR tanked.

All that money spent on the cold war had to go somewhere.

First we had the Savings and loan thing. Then there was the internet bubble, then 9-11, then something happened in 2008 and we had to save the financial industry from their fraud and folly.

Then it was bailouts for Industries and their fraud and folly.

Pretty soon we going to run out of excuses to keep inflating the balloon.

Or

POP

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:03 PM (LSDdO)

191 "I know a host of truly stupid, culturally ignorant, morally repugnant people who make ten times as much as me....there, I said it. Posted by: JoeyBagels" I do, too. And I also know that I don't fit in with them. Because I've seen what passes for "culture" in their little world, and it's as morally repugnant as they are. They can make all they want. I'm happy where I am.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 31, 2013 01:04 PM (jQUem)

192 Hasn't Cracked just said that they shouldn't exist? All they do are hyperbolic lists.
Cracked has a decent article about Simo Hayha. That alone justifies their existence.

Posted by: buzz fluffy at December 31, 2013 01:04 PM (Ua6T/)

193 I hate GPS maps. I like to plan my own route. It's good brain exercise.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 01:04 PM (EWsrI)

194 and Space X will leave the atmosphere about the same time as the Concordia leaves the Mediterranean

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (fb5Xr)

195 Which is to say, culture itself has become detrimental, more or less in its entirety. But people are, in some sense, trapped within the culture, and certainly not prone to a rationalistic deconstruction of the cultural context. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (VYM4n)

196 So, party's at your house then? I got meatballs. Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 05:57 PM (P6QsQ) Steak & lobster for the Misanthropes. Meatballs sound good tomorrow.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (HVff2)

197 169 toby928© at December 31, 2013 05:58 PM (QupBk)

It's plain as day for anyone who was extant in the 80s to see.  Hell the media was bitching about it before they decided that, "yes it is enough to be king of the shit hill."  The crisis is when the media personalities with the training in the disciplines in play are subverted by the demands not to offend the powers that B by risking their Q-ratings that we get to where we are.

James Pethokoukis, CNBC's few sane commenters they all know what we're doing is unsustainable but since the engine doesn't explode they are afraid to point out that Helicopter Ben wears no clothes.
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Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (TE35l)

198 So.

Ace got fired from Buzzfeed over the I hate Buzzfeed blog and got hired by Cracked?

Or did I miss something?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (LSDdO)

199 I am no longer as worried I am preparing for the Post American America. At Christmas, Boy928 told me that he is planning to eat the livers of his millennial cohort. I was a proud poppa.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:05 PM (QupBk)

200 Ah, man Where did the spacey love doll pic in the sidebar go?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 31, 2013 01:06 PM (LA7Cm)

201

I think what makes television so bad as a medium is the constant race to the bottom, content-wise.  Everyone has to be more shocking, more obscene, louder, with more crass thoughtlessness and than ever before or it's somehow a failure of artistic vision.  The offhand reference to carnival barking didn't quite get the entirety of how this is what's going to kill the West.  TV's going to keep diving headlong into the muck of cultural failure until it's actual reality TV gladiator contests, fucking, and poo flinging.  Then it'll be gladiator contests with fucking and poo flinging.  Then they'll add more explosions.  Then what?  Hard to get much lower, really, but they'll try to find ways.

Posted by: Cato at December 31, 2013 01:07 PM (i+Vw2)

202 There's a whole big block in my mind that wants to talk about that stuff - but if I do, at work or among my family - they'd think I was just being snobbish and boring. So I talk sports with them. I like sports, but it's like a part of me is starved.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 06:03 PM (R3gO3)


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I'm very fortunate to have a family that constantly asks one another, "What are you reading".   And then has a conversation about it.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:07 PM (P6QsQ)

203 > I am no longer as worried I am preparing for the Post American America.

Share your thoughts, in generalities, please.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 31, 2013 01:08 PM (vHRtU)

204 be warned: they're Scandi meatballs

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:08 PM (fb5Xr)

205 "I'm sure all of Colorado's prisons will empty, and their tax coffers will overflow, and all types of crime rates will plummet. That's what the NORML-types have been screaming and teaching for decades."

Here in Commiefornia, the default position in all argumentation regarding the legalization of weed is that "the prisons are chock full of innocent people whose only crime was having a toke, man". They always go on to make huge claims about the money to be saved by avoiding this.

I heard that so often that I looked up the numbers of people who actually ARE in prison in Commiefornia for weed offenses and for no other serious crime. (There is a state prison census.) It worked out to about six-tenths of one percent.

So, yeah, innocent tokers behind bars in great numbers, myth busted.

I figure that what will happen in states like CO and WA is that they will recapitulate the Amsterdam experience. Where even the Dutch said, "Whoa there," after they saw what full legalization was causing.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 01:08 PM (gqT4g)

206 People have a natural preference for prestigious content, ------------- What are you trying to say?

Posted by: New Yorker Magazine at December 31, 2013 01:09 PM (aDwsi)

207 be warned: they're Scandi meatballs

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Ya da gud kind.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:09 PM (P6QsQ)

208 Maybe we need someone to a recurring thread on literature classics of Western Civ?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 01:09 PM (BC6cY)

209 201 There's a whole big block in my mind that wants to talk about that stuff - but if I do, at work or among my family - they'd think I was just being snobbish and boring. So I talk sports with them. I like sports, but it's like a part of me is starved. Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 06:03 PM (R3gO3) ________ Maybe you need a different set of people to hang with. Not being snarky, just saying... I couldn't tell you what any of the top 10 TV shows are right now...well maybe Duck Dynasty since you'd have to live on Mars not to know about it. I watched Breaking Bad too. But aside from that, TV is almost a non-entity in my life. And to a lesser extent sports too. But I have plenty to talk about with family and friends.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:09 PM (0LHZx)

210 "152 And I can't wait to see the effects of legalized pot in Colorado. Like people aren't lazy and dumb enough today. I am sure it is going to do wonders for labor productivity, crime and the numbers of drug abusers." The cartels aren't going to like competition and I think all the hippies starting to grow their own shit are about to find out how friendly their former Mexicans suppliers can be to those which try to cut them out of the market.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 31, 2013 01:10 PM (KCvsd)

211 When the govt tells you at 26 you're still a child for the purpose of health insurance, can you really blame the 26 years old for thinking he's a child?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo


Anyone who thinks a government can determine what is right or good, to say nothing of should, is the problem.

So, yes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 01:10 PM (dwArK)

212 And yet, and yet. For those who seek it, so much knowledge is at our finger tips now. The Nets have more and easier access to art and information than the greatest libraries of the last century. It's like being the greatest prince and patron ever.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:10 PM (QupBk)

213 Maybe we need someone to a recurring thread on literature classics of Western Civ?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:09 PM (BC6cY)


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Oregon Muse floated the idea of a book club for morons on the Sunday book thread.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (P6QsQ)

214 I figure that what will happen in states like CO and WA is that they will recapitulate the Amsterdam experience. Where even the Dutch said, "Whoa there," after they saw what full legalization was causing. Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 06:08 PM (gqT4g) ___________ POT bad, beer good. Repeat that 1000 times.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (0LHZx)

215 I don't always watch television, but when I do, I watch Wipeout...... because Jill Wagner.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (6TB1Z)

216 I hate GPS maps. I like to plan my own route.
It depends how you use the tool. The first GPS waypoint I take is at my car. If things go badly, I need it to navigate. If things go well, it is a morale indicator late in the day (0.37 miles down this dirt road to the car) By using it I can avoid some planning.

Posted by: fluffy at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (Ua6T/)

217 202 OG Celtic-American at December 31, 2013 06:08 PM (vHRtU)

The coasts and the "wasteland in the middle" have wildly divergent views on the proper role of government, the meaning of "American" and economics

The United States as Rendered will not survive the 21st Century.

There will either be 2-5 nations on this soil, one nation that has either overtly destroyed the US Constitution "legally" or gone so over the top in ignoring it the rule of law is a punchline or one nation who has conquered this one.

I do not see any remedy where the "elite coasts" and the "Paleo-America" can reconcile their differences.

We argue they are incorrect, they argue we are unworthy of life.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (TE35l)

218

@204:  Exactly.  Legalizing pot may not be quite so bad if it was your father's pot, but the stuff they've got now is about a hundred times stronger, and I knew stoners that had fried their brains to the point of being incoherent when sober before they got out of high school.  Then again, the powers that be like it when their constituents are too stupid to live without their help.

Posted by: Cato at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (i+Vw2)

219 You cannot encapsulate the arguments for a Constitutional Republic in pics of Platypi and Lolcats with a 12 item list made up of 36 sentences. They're the stained glass windows of our neo-cathedrals.

Posted by: gloria stultorum at December 31, 2013 01:11 PM (R6JT1)

220 Re: verbal intellect of previous generations

I know my Mother could confuse the kcuf out of me and she only had a high school education. (the equivalent of a Master's degree these days)

Of course I was only 5 or so at the time (and until I left home).

Later on I could get the better of her now and then but that always ended in tears. (mine) That's because I quit asking for her input. I just went ahead and did what I wanted to do. No messing around about permissions and rules.

She could get me reversed from where I was headed verbally in less than a sentence or two. And I'd think that it was what I really thought until maybe an hour or so later.

Wasn't until I was about 28 that her verbal jujitsu started to fail and I could see where she was headed and stop her cold.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (LSDdO)

221 Tis a Christmas miracle! Terrorist sympathizing cocksucker aka President asks NY judge to release Lynne Stewart.

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (Q6HBD)

222 And yet, and yet. For those who seek it, so much knowledge is at our finger tips now.

Horse, water, some assembly required.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (6TB1Z)

223 I still think it was only the smartest subset of people who listened to Lincoln and his ilk or cared. Everyone else was probably busy drinking.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (4/o9U)

224 Major problem with weed legalization is the data suggest we'll see a significant rise in schizophrenia. Numerous studies now indicate that juvenile usage of pot is a causal factor in the development of schizophrenia. It's not just that schizos are self-medicating, it's that pot usage can cause someone to have schizophrenia. It's likely the case that the person was genetically predisposed. They would have been perhaps a bit off, or odd, or quirky ... but still functional as a human being. But teenage pot usage pushes them over the edge. For those not genetically predisposed pot appears to not be that dangerous. But there's no way to tell, at this point, who is at risk.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (ZPrif)

225

Truck driver... Office assistant... Forklift operator...Housekeeper... Ooooh! Here's one:  "ObamaCare Navigator", sez right here, No experience necessary, will train.

Posted by: lady reading want ads to her horse at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (wAQA5)

226 By using it I can avoid some planning. Posted by: fluffy ---------------- As long as the battery is good...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:12 PM (aDwsi)

227 And yet, and yet. For those who seek it, so much knowledge is at our finger tips now. The Nets have more and easier access to art and information than the greatest libraries of the last century. It's like being the greatest prince and patron ever. I have been astounded how many old, fairly obscure books are available from archive, gutenburg, and the like.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 01:13 PM (VUDJK)

228 211 toby928© at December 31, 2013 06:10 PM (QupBk)

I lost my temper with Lad10077 last month he got a D on a pretty important Math paper.

Heard probably at 120 decibels was "dear God boy you have the entire fucking Library of Congress at your fingertips I had to walk 5 miles to get to a Library if it was after school."

I think the perceived value of knowledge was inversely proportional to its ease of availability.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:13 PM (TE35l)

229 223 Major problem with weed legalization is the data suggest we'll see a significant rise in schizophrenia. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 06:12 PM (ZPrif) ________ Dude are you fucking for real? Jeezuz.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:13 PM (0LHZx)

230 #217, same here. Over dozen years ago when I graduated H.S. at least 5% of my class of 1,300 had terminally fried their brains on pot and couldn't speak coherently. I can only imagine it has gotten worse.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 31, 2013 01:14 PM (KCvsd)

231 I still think it was only the smartest subset of people who listened to Lincoln and his ilk or cared. Everyone else was probably busy drinking. Posted by: The Mega Independent


Agreed.  It was never the case that the average man read great literature, although colonial New England probably came closest.  The difference is that then, the literate were opinion leaders.  Now, we have Paris Hilton.

Posted by: pep at December 31, 2013 01:14 PM (6TB1Z)

232 The coasts and the "wasteland in the middle" have wildly divergent views on the proper role of government, the meaning of "American" and economics

Not really, no.

Take a poll in the reddest of red Middle America states and see how many people are cool with closing the Dept of Education, eliminating farm subsidies, and phasing out Social Security.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 01:15 PM (SY2Kh)

233 Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:11 PM (P6QsQ) I saw that and I'm in, but he wouldn't necessarily chose a Western Civ. literature classic. I was again reminded of the loss of culture and of Biblical literacy because I officiated at a funeral at a funeral home the other evening. There was no bulletin but I asked people if they knew it to join in on the 23rd psalm. There must have been 10 people in a room of 50 who actually seemed to know it. That made me sad.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 01:15 PM (BC6cY)

234 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 06 Well you are the fucking idiot stating pot bad, beer good.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 01:15 PM (HVff2)

235 That's hawt!

Posted by: Abigail Adams at December 31, 2013 01:16 PM (g4TxM)

236

grammie winger: My sister and my brother-in-law read, although they stick mainly to current best sellers. (Both read "The Monster of Florence" after I did and we had a great talk about it. And I wouldn't have known about that book if Ace hadn't written about it. So thanks to the Ewok.) I can talk to them about books. They're the other conservatives in the family, BTW.

 

 My two brothers don't read, have never read. They're the libs in the family. All of their knowledge, political and otherwise, comes from TV.

 

 I was the only one in my family who was a huge reader as a child. My father, a blue-collar, first generation American was not, but he was, for some reason, extremely proud of having a bookworm daughter. One thing I loved about him is that he always made a point, from the time I was 8 or so until I was 29 (the year he died) to ask me for a booklist for Christmas. He didn't care if I wrote down 25 books, he didn't care if he had no idea who the authors were, he got those books for me.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 01:16 PM (R3gO3)

237 I think the perceived value of knowledge was inversely proportional to its ease of availability. Posted by: Sven --------------------- True of all things..., and perceived is the important word there

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:16 PM (aDwsi)

238 As long as the battery is good..
I carry a spare set. I'm naked without my compass.

Posted by: fluffy at December 31, 2013 01:16 PM (Ua6T/)

239 Uh,oh

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:16 PM (aDwsi)

240 Major problem with weed legalization is the data suggest we'll see a significant rise in schizophrenia. Numerous studies now indicate that juvenile usage of pot is a causal factor in the development of schizophrenia. It's not just that schizos are self-medicating, it's that pot usage can cause someone to have schizophrenia. Really? I had a brother who started exhibiting what looked like early symptoms of schizophrenia a year or two after he took drugs for awhile. He seems to have recovered, thank God. I did wonder if there was a link.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (VUDJK)

241 Yeah, I'm for real. It's called Science. Might want to look into it. Recent wsj article: A 2007 study in the Lancet, a British medical journal, concludes that using marijuana increases the risk of young people developing a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia. This risk is greatest—up to a 200% increase—among those who use marijuana heavily and who start using at a younger age.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (ZPrif)

242 Barreled..., on the last day of the year. Crap

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (aDwsi)

243 In my youth, err, my friends would smoke multiple doobies and go to fairs and things. The last time, err, they took a toke, it was like effin black tar H. I think the cartels have genetically modified the weed to where the the lowest street grass is like Kona Gold.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (QupBk)

244 Well you are the fucking idiot stating pot bad, beer good. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 06:15 PM (HVff2) _______ No, I'm not. I think both are fine. It's the so-con brigade that loves to guzzle beer on Sundays while watching 300 lb apes hit each other....cuz that's perfectly cool man. But smoke a joint? You're EEEEEEVIL

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (0LHZx)

245 230 pep at December 31, 2013 06:14 PM (6TB1Z)

Eh, you might be shocked.

You can make very compelling arguments that the Gilded Age of the Edwardian period was in fact the peak of Western Civilization so far as wealth and learning on an egalitarian scale went.

Were we able to nudge them away from the Jim Crow style soft-apartheids and keep World War One from occurring I think we'd all have been better off.

Morality blew its brains out on Flanders field.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (TE35l)

246 Hammer, while you're in there can you look for my car keys?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (g4TxM)

247 Same WSJ article: Though they receive little attention in the legalization debate, the scientific studies showing an association between marijuana use and schizophrenia and other disorders are alarming. A 2004 article in the highly respected British Journal of Psychiatry reviewed four large studies, all of which showed a significant and consistent association between consumption of marijuana (mostly during teenage years or early 20s) and the later development of schizophrenia. The review concluded that marijuana is a "causal component," among others, in the development of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (ZPrif)

248 I didn't do it

Posted by: fluffy at December 31, 2013 01:17 PM (Ua6T/)

249 186, I too used to think that the literature profs sat  around "in front of fireplaces discussing Shakespeare and Moliere." I should have had that illusion blown to smithereens in the very first class on the very first day of my college career when in walked an unkempt, balding and bearded  professor -wearing shorts and sandals (!) proudly introducing himself as a "Stalinist." He was the first living breathing commie this  Catholic school-educated boy had ever seen. He was Canadian, and I found out later that his widowed mother owned a string of factories in Canada. Of course....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 01:18 PM (Usdw3)

250 It's misogynistic to highlight Ms. Adams's difficulties with spelling.

Posted by: cSPAn Fist Laddies at December 31, 2013 01:18 PM (R6JT1)

251 What is that lowing sound I hear?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)

252 One thing I loved about him is that he always made a point, from the time I was 8 or so until I was 29 (the year he died) to ask me for a booklist for Christmas. He didn't care if I wrote down 25 books, he didn't care if he had no idea who the authors were, he got those books for me.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 06:16 PM (R3gO3)


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That is so sweet.  What an awesome thing to have for a memory between you and your dad. 

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:19 PM (P6QsQ)

253 241 Barreled..., on the last day of the year. Crap Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 06:17 PM (aDwsi) 365 days worth of dumps in there.

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2013 01:19 PM (Q6HBD)

254 The argument over pot boils down to 1. Ban it for the children 2. Ban it because I don't like it Hmmm....who does that remind you of?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:19 PM (0LHZx)

255 102 Wrong. 15% of US Adults use twitter. Close to 2/3 use Facebook. And that's just adults. You gotta imagine the numbers are much higher for the teenage demographic. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 31, 2013 05:43 PM (JpFMR) I read recently that the teenagers are fleeing Facebook. Too old-fashioned or something. I forget what they're gravitating towards, maybe Instrgram. No, I don't know what that is. One thing about online trends is that they have a short half-life.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 01:19 PM (sdi6R)

256 241 Barreled..., on the last day of the year. Crap Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 06:17 PM (aDwsi) Gosh. Darned. Cat.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 01:20 PM (HVff2)

257 Morality blew its brains out on Flanders field. Posted by: Sven --------------------- I forget who said it, "Civilization ended in 1914."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:20 PM (aDwsi)

258 The link between pot and schizophrenia has been well known for a while now. The question has always been of causation. And the emerging data indicate heavy teen pot usage cause precipitates schizophrenia in susceptible individuals, likely those with a genetic predisposition. The vast majority of regular cigarette smokers never get lung cancer, yet we know smoking causes lung cancer. Magic of science and data.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:20 PM (ZPrif)

259 No, I'm not. I think both are fine. It's the so-con brigade that loves to guzzle beer on Sundays while watching 300 lb apes hit each other....cuz that's perfectly cool man. But smoke a joint? You're EEEEEEVIL I observe that it is quite possible to drink alcohol without getting drunk, but difficult to smoke marijuana without getting high.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 01:20 PM (VUDJK)

260 I wonder if I could make a fortune with Blurt; a social media limited to 25 characters.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:21 PM (QupBk)

261 crap

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:21 PM (QupBk)

262 "One thing about online trends is that they have a short half-life. Posted by: rickl" It's probably not considered cool to be on Facebook if your parents and grandparents use it, too.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 31, 2013 01:21 PM (jQUem)

263 231 Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 06:15 PM (SY2Kh)

I'll concede that point.

Now ask "the unwashed masses" of middle America how thrilled they are with the war on coal, the notion they should either live in a city or live like a caveman, or devouring medicare to pay for F$A's Pogo Pills....

Yes too many in the middle have picked up bleed off socialism, but what the modern left is selling is not even LBJ full blown socialist collectivism, it is instead Leninist "brutal abacus" style carnivorous collectivism.

Bob needs X so I am taking your Y....

it is always thus, but heretofore we've been able to conceal it because of our massive wealth and production potential.

That ship has long since sailed IMHO.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:21 PM (TE35l)

264 DEA Budget in 2014 is $3B In 1980 it was $200M And what has that increase done? Absolutely nothing. The % of people using illegal drugs is no different today than 33 years ago.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

265 Jessss! Dodged the barrel like Mario!

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2013 01:22 PM (QupBk)

266 watched Happy New Years, Charlie Brown and they showed the little red haired girl, whose name is Heather. somehow cheapened it.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 31, 2013 01:22 PM (RLTt1)

267 I don't think we are as dumbed down and infantilized as we fear. The past is more like the present than we can easily see and want to admit. What is truly different now is the speed and scale with which desires can be satisfied or conjured up. Our culture is in unknown territory and dread and hope have equal acreage here.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 01:22 PM (EWsrI)

268 Blurt; a social media limited to 25 characters. Posted by: toby928© at December 31, 2013 06:21 PM (QupBk) *** That has to be absolutely the w...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 31, 2013 01:23 PM (g4TxM)

269 I observe that it is quite possible to drink alcohol without getting drunk, but difficult to smoke marijuana without getting high. Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 06:20 PM (VUDJK) ______________ Both make you impaired. What you're arguing over is the degree.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:23 PM (0LHZx)

270 *rummages through sticky, scummy detritus in the bottom of the barrel* Yeah Seamus, there are a couple of sets of keys in here. One is stamped 'YMCA', there are some skeleton keys..., probably Vic's. Do you drive a Volt?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:24 PM (aDwsi)

271 Well., I just hope Jesus comes back in 2014.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:24 PM (P6QsQ)

272 Oh, and Blurt© Just in case any of you SoC try to steal the name.

Posted by: toby928 establishes prior art at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (QupBk)

273 Kucewicz, M. T. et al. Dysfunctional Prefrontal Cortical Network Activity and Interactions following Cannabinoid Receptor Activation. Journal of Neuroscience, published online October 25, 2011.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (ZPrif)

274 Both make you impaired. What you're arguing over is the degree. Nope, not if you only have one drink or so.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (VUDJK)

275 Zamberletti, E., Rubino, T. and Parolaro, D. The endocannabinoid system and schizophrenia: integration of evidence. Current Pharmaceutical Design, published online June 7, 2012.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (ZPrif)

276 In 2014 I hope to hear bullwhips cracking..

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (fb5Xr)

277 I just hope Jesus comes back in 2014. Look busy!

Posted by: toby928 establishes prior art at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (QupBk)

278 257 The link between pot and schizophrenia has been well known for a while now. The question has always been of causation. And the emerging data indicate heavy teen pot usage cause precipitates schizophrenia in susceptible individuals, likely those with a genetic predisposition. The vast majority of regular cigarette smokers never get lung cancer, yet we know smoking causes lung cancer. Magic of science and data. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 06:20 PM (ZPrif) _____________ And nobody on the legalize side advocates legalizing it for kids. You're right back to "it's for the children" and the argument is as idiotic as saying ban beer and wine because some kids might get a hold of beer and wine.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (0LHZx)

279 243 No, I'm not. I think both are fine. It's the so-con brigade that loves to guzzle beer on Sundays while watching 300 lb apes hit each other....cuz that's perfectly cool man. But smoke a joint? You're EEEEEEVIL Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 06:17 PM (0LHZx) There is more to Sunday NFL viewing than the so-cons you so despise. I see pro athletes out there & not apes. I think that occasional joint is not a bad thing. I think alcohol is more of a problem than pot. But you are such a know it all there is no more to write.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 01:25 PM (HVff2)

280 Obama Admin Asks Judge To Release Radical Leftist Lawyer Lynne Stewart Who Conspired With Jihadist Cleric… Weasel Zippers: And the "second" term continues and it's only going to get worse. 2014 here we come

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2013 01:26 PM (nzKvP)

281 To the heavens licentious libations lure

Posted by: vasectomy cuts indifferens at December 31, 2013 01:26 PM (R6JT1)

282 Look busy!

Posted by: toby928© establishes prior art at December 31, 2013 06:25 PM (QupBk)


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Darn.  That would mean putting down the laptop.



Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:27 PM (P6QsQ)

283 From a review article: -- A 2012 review of current knowledge shows that the endocannabinoid system in the brain has a major role in schizophrenia. “Data reported so far clearly indicate the presence of a dysregulation in the endocannabinoid system in animal models of psychosis as well as in schizophrenic patients,” the review says. Its authors, led by Professor Daniela Parolaro of the University of Insubria, Italy, add that animal models suggest that adolescence is “a highly vulnerable age for the consequences of cannabis exposure on different domains (such as cognition and social behavior) that are altered in psychotic disorders.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:27 PM (ZPrif)

284 I think I'm going to un-ignore all those commenters on the Hide-posts-from list for the new year. A Jubilee, as it were.

Posted by: toby928 establishes prior art at December 31, 2013 01:27 PM (QupBk)

285 What a lovely account of you and your father, Donna. We have this saying that is part of a funeral service in my tradition. It says: Eternal God you have shared with us the life of_____Before he/she was ours he/she is yours. For all that___has given us to make us what we are. and for that of him/her which lives and grows in each of us... we give you thanks. My mother died when I was 23. I am so grateful she gave me a love of reading.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 01:27 PM (BC6cY)

286 Nope, not if you only have one drink or so. Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 06:25 PM (VUDJK) ______________ "t a .08 BAC level, drivers are so impaired that they are 11 times more likely to have a single-vehicle crash than drivers with no alcohol in their system. But 25 years of research has shown that some impairment begins for both males and females even after one drink. .02 BAC Level At the .02 blood alcohol concentration level, experiments have demonstrated that people exhibit some loss of judgment, begin to relax and feel good. But tests have also shown that drivers at the .02 level experience a decline in visual functions, affecting their ability to track a moving object, and experience a decline in the ability to perform two tasks at the same time."

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

287 279 Nevergiveup at December 31, 2013 06:26 PM (nzKvP)

Oh I have already penciled in falling off the wagon as he leaves office.

His "sudden, but long term pondered release commutation list will either give me a stroke or force me to be chemically fortified.

As I said upthread it is not HIM who is the issue it is a nation that though HE was a great idea and was spouting the things this nation needs to excel.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:28 PM (TE35l)

288 I hereby make a motion that we release Hammer from the barrel. It's New Year's Eve for crying out loud. Do I hear a second?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 31, 2013 01:28 PM (g4TxM)

289 Everything in moderation. An occasional joint, a couple of beers, a shot every now and then--none of these will harm you too much. It's when they become habitual and regular that the problems start. Likewise with tobacco. 5 cigarettes a day will probably not cause lung cancer, it's more like 50.....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (Usdw3)

290 With a moo moo here

And a moo moo there

here a moo there a moo

everywhere a moo moo

Old Mcdonald had a farm

(and a moo moo until he had to put it down.
Steaks for everyone)

E I E I Ohhhhhhh

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (LSDdO)

291 57 beagle, hey. it would actually be déja-lu. "Lu" is "read." So deja-vu, deja-lu. Posted by: ace at December 31, 2013 05:33 PM (/FnUH) ****** And-- Deja-loo would be-- Oops! I did it again--in my panties!

Posted by: Britney Spears at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (RJMhd)

292 There is still significant neurological development from 18-25. General rule from my psychiatrist buddy -- don't marry anybody under 25. If they make it to 25 without major mental illness they are safe.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (ZPrif)

293 223 Major problem with weed legalization is the data suggest we'll see a significant rise in schizophrenia. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 06:12 PM (ZPrif) ________ Dude are you fucking for real? Jeezuz. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 06:13 PM (0LHZx) 71% of the voices in my head agree with you…

Posted by: 21st Century Schitzoid Hat at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (AymDN)

294 Legalizing pot will have all the benefits of letting kids drink booze, is that the gist? Not much upside there, but we shouldn't be legislating around children and their proclivities. Better generations than ours have tried and failed. We'll see what happens in CO and WA.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 01:29 PM (ZshNr)

295 There is more to Sunday NFL viewing than the so-cons you so despise. I see pro athletes out there & not apes. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 31, 2013 06:25 PM (HVff2) ___________ Yeah this dude's a true athlete. http://undergroundstrengthclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Fat-NFL.jpg

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:30 PM (0LHZx)

296 "I observe that it is quite possible to drink alcohol without getting drunk, but difficult to smoke marijuana without getting high."

The great pharmaceutical research scientist W.J. Clinton solved the latter problem. You smoke the marijuana, but while doing so, you avoid inhaling. Presto!

For those of us who kinda figured that the inhaling was the point of the procedure, this seemed pretty ludicrous. But the press, who you have to figure as a group are reasonably well experienced with how marijuana is smoked, meekly accepted that explanation from WJC. Along with a long list of other ones.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 01:31 PM (gqT4g)

297 259 I wonder if I could make a fortune with Blurt; a social media limited to 25 characters. Posted by: toby928© at December 31, 2013 06:21 PM (QupBk) That's way over 25 right there.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 01:31 PM (sdi6R)

298 Marijuana use linked to schizophrenic-related brain changes The use of marijuana has been linked to the development of many health conditions. But now, researchers say heavy use of the drug could lead to poor memory and abnormal changes in brain function that resemble changes found in schizophrenic individuals. This is according to a study published in the journal Schizophrenia Bulletin. Brain abnormalities found long after marijuana use stopped Results of the study revealed that participants who began using marijuana regularly at the age of 16 or 17 demonstrated deterioration in the thalamus of the brain - an area important for learning, memory and communication.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:31 PM (ZPrif)

299 I take Cracked's criticism of Buzzfeed like I take Keith Olbermann's criticism of MSNBC's content. In both cases, they're 100% right. But I know the reason they're railing against them isn't some higher fight for the truth: it's personal. IIRC, Buzzfeed has an unfortunate tendency to steal other site's content, and Cracked has been on the wrong end of that.

Posted by: TenthJustice at December 31, 2013 01:31 PM (BUaSt)

300 New Years cancelled due to snow and I'm stuck here with 10 pounds of meatballs and Mr. Killjoy.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:31 PM (P6QsQ)

301 They also showed abnormal changes in the brain that are linked to working memory - an impairment that commonly leads to poor everyday functioning and academic performance. The investigators define working memory as the ability to remember and process information "in the moment," and transfer it to long-term memory if needed. These subjects also performed badly on memory tasks, and the same abnormal brain structures were apparent 2 years after they stopped using marijuana - indicating long-term effects from heavy use.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:32 PM (ZPrif)

302 293 Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 06:29 PM (ZshNr)

A hollow argument in my humble opinion when our distinguished opponents are arguing and infantilizing America to the point they choose our toilet's flow, our light bulbs, our drink size, our ability to smoke the relatively harmless tobacco in public etc etc etc

You want an anything goes society I *may* be game but let's not legalize medicinal LSD and have Nanny Bloomby outlawing my Large Hershey's Choco Milk glass please?

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:32 PM (TE35l)

303 Seamus - *throwing keys on the table* S'ok, I found a key that fit the lid. Probably fell out of some cob's pocket.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (aDwsi)

304 299 New Years cancelled due to snow and I'm stuck here with 10 pounds of meatballs and Mr. Killjoy. Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:31 PM (P6QsQ) ******** So...Mr. Moo Moo is in your house?

Posted by: Britney Spears at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (RJMhd)

305 I owuldn't have a problem with the holier than tho types who think pot causes problems in society...IF...they weren't so fucking hypocritical. You want to ban pot? Fine. As soon as you ban booze, cigarettes, pizza, fast food, cars, guns and anything else that has the potential to hurt someone somewhere some time. Oh but we can't do that because...FREEDOM!! We only ban things we don't like.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (0LHZx)

306

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 06:18 PM (Usdw3)

 

Joey Bagels, I had a few of those old profs with tweed jackets and pipes in college. (My college Shakespeare professor was terrific.) That was in the late '70'and early '80's. The faculty who had come of age pre-1960's hadn't yet retired. The hippies I had (one smug ass who told me that "true" Marxism hadn't really been tried yet) were still TA's. When I went back to grad school 10 years later, the old guys were gone.The Marxists had taken over and all my professors were exactly like the fool you had. I lasted 2 semesters.

 

 I recently read an interview with the late Jacques Barzun (born in France in 1907, came to America in 1920, taught at Columbia until 1967, died in 2011. He wrote a zillion books but from "From Dawn To Decadence," a cultural history of the West, published in 2000, is absolutely great. I think he read everything worthwhile written in the past 500 years - he lived long enough to do so.) He said he thanked God he had gotten out of academia at exactly the right time, because the barbarians were taking over.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (R3gO3)

307 Prohibitions on children using mind altering substances aren't exactly new. Keeps them alive longer.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 01:33 PM (ZshNr)

308 okay I lol'd



Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:34 PM (P6QsQ)

309 Along with a long list of other ones. Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 06:31 PM (gqT4g) Word.

Posted by: Vince Foster at December 31, 2013 01:34 PM (oFCZn)

310 Better yet, the same people looking to legalize drugs who want to ban sugar, trans-fats, sat, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 01:35 PM (ZshNr)

311 Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 06:31 PM (gqT4g)

No. They knew he was lying and they went along with it cause they thought it was funny.

Clinton doesn't do the middle finger scratching his cheek classless move like Obama but he had his moments of figuratively giving the finger to the country and laughing about it to their face.

Everyone knew he was lying but no one had the guts to call him on it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:35 PM (LSDdO)

312 Prohibitions on children using mind altering substances aren't exactly new. Keeps them alive longer. Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 06:33 PM (ZshNr) Killjoys!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 31, 2013 01:35 PM (AymDN)

313 So..did the court and the hospital kill that girl on life support yet?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 01:35 PM (fb5Xr)

314 309 Better yet, the same people looking to legalize drugs who want to ban sugar, trans-fats, sat, etc. Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 06:35 PM (ZshNr) ________ If you go far enough left or right, you get to the same point. How about we don't ban anything? Crazy I know.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:36 PM (0LHZx)

315 So..did the court and the hospital kill that girl on life support yet? Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 06:35 PM (fb5Xr) *Smiles*

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Saville at December 31, 2013 01:37 PM (AymDN)

316 Oh, another thing you hear a lot in Commiefornia (and I assume other nexuses of pro-weed-legalization thinking) is that not only will drug crime rates plummet, but the rates of other crimes will do so as well. Because stoners are peaceful, man.

I keep having to point out that this has been studied, where a random cross-section of criminal perps have had their blood drawn and spectroanalyzed to see what intoxicants are in their systems at the time of arrest, and from those numbers it appears that being high on THC is no barrier whatsoever to engaging in crime. It is quite prevalent.

Amsterdam's non-drug-trade crime rate didn't go down either after weed and hash became freely available.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 01:37 PM (gqT4g)

317 First a thread on bovine lactation and now this

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 01:38 PM (P6QsQ)

318 One book I've been talking about lately is Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death.

I really wanted this link to go to your Amazon affiliate store.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 31, 2013 01:38 PM (nMYaa)

319 312 So..did the court and the hospital kill that girl on life support yet? Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 06:35 PM (fb5Xr) ********* Not yet--but it's Oakland. It's also the 9th Circus...holy shit if I was that lawyer... I'd be doing the Dr Spank's cartoon subtitle.

Posted by: Britney Spears at December 31, 2013 01:38 PM (RJMhd)

320
IF...they weren't so fucking hypocritical. You want to ban pot? Fine. As soon as you ban booze, cigarettes....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo




If you're older than 14 and you're still making a "but Dad -- you smoke CIGARETTES!" sort of argument, there may not be any hope for you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 01:39 PM (kdS6q)

321 I'm stuck here with 10 pounds of meatballs The Balls!

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 01:39 PM (0GtXP)

322 315 torquewrench, They are trying to get us contact high on their hopium..... Frankly if we legalize pot, legalize it all and get out of their way....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 01:39 PM (TE35l)

323 legalize it or don't, whatever. like Jesus said the fucked up will always be with you.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 31, 2013 01:39 PM (RLTt1)

324 That horse picture reminds me of a girl at work named Winnie.

Posted by: Caliban at December 31, 2013 01:39 PM (2ArJQ)

325 Legalizing pot will lead to no good.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 31, 2013 01:40 PM (nzKvP)

326 Saw how long it was so of course... But out of Lists, the "Viral" Mentality and Buzzfeed, which movie did ace like the least? Might be worth watching.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2013 01:40 PM (Nsomq)

327 All these culture threads devolve into PotFests pretty quickly, don't they?

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 31, 2013 01:40 PM (nMYaa)

328 I really wanted this link to go to your Amazon affiliate store. The New site will have that feature. And Ampersands! All the ampersands you can eat.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 01:40 PM (0GtXP)

329 I'm not going outside for the next couple days. except to warm the car.

It's gonna get COLD.

I figured we'd have cold winter. Just hope not too much snow.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:40 PM (LSDdO)

330 Legalize and import krokodil. Get an early jump on the zombie apocolypse.

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (Q6HBD)

331 This is what King County Sherfiff said earlier this year... King County is basically Seattle "As sheriff, I am therefore the top law enforcement official in the largest jurisdiction in the country that has legalized marijuana. I have been a police officer for 37 years, and I was elected as King County’s Sheriff last year. During my career I’ve investigated everything from shoplifts to homicides. But I’ve also spent 12 years as a narcotics detective. My experience shows the War on Drugs has been a failure. We have not significantly reduced demand over time, but we have incarcerated generations of individuals, the highest incarceration rate in the world. The reality is we do have complimentary goals and values. We all agree we don’t want our children using marijuana. We all agree we don’t want impaired drivers. We all agree we don’t want to continue enriching criminals. Washington’s law honors these values by separating consumers from gangs, and diverting the proceeds from the sale of marijuana toward furthering the goals of public safety." So the citizens of the state of Washington decided it was time to try something new. In November of 2012 they passed Initiative 502, which legalized recreational amounts of marijuana and at the same time created very strict rules and laws. I was a strong supporter of Initiative 502 last year, and I remain a strong supporter today. There are several reasons for that support. Most of all, I support 502 because that’s what the people want. They voted for legalized marijuana. We – the government – have failed the people and now they want to try something else." But what does he know?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (0LHZx)

332 FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:27 PM (BC6cY) Fenelon that is beautiful, thank you. I had forgotten about my dad doing that, although I still have the books he gave me. When I remembered, and typed that comment, I suddenly missed him so deeply, because I remembered what a good man he was. It's been 24 years now.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (R3gO3)

333 which movie did ace like the least? Might be worth watching. ********* Inception

Posted by: Britney Spears at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (RJMhd)

334 Legalizing pot will lead to no good. This is not true. When they legalize it, the price goes down.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (0GtXP)

335 305, I read that book and I remember that quote. Barzun also said that to understand America, you needed to understand baseball... By the time I got to college, the old guard you described was pretty much gone, and while some of the teachers were  pretty good--and few were like that idiot I mentioned--I was very unsatisfied with the whole experience, and though I got my degree, I pretty much read on my own...

Posted by: JoeyBagels at December 31, 2013 01:41 PM (Usdw3)

336 >>>But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. There's a whole big block in my mind that wants to talk about that stuff - but if I do, at work or among my family - they'd think I was just being snobbish and boring. So I talk sports with them. I like sports, but it's like a part of me is starved. Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 06:03 PM (R3gO3) Thank God I'm not alone. Was it always like this, or is our age particularly shallow and uncultured?

Posted by: Caliban at December 31, 2013 01:42 PM (2ArJQ)

337 Legalizing alcohol will lead to no good.

Posted by: Carrie Nation at December 31, 2013 01:42 PM (oFCZn)

338 I'm not a child; why can't I legally have, use, and grow marijuana?

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 01:42 PM (EWsrI)

339 If you're older than 14 and you're still making a "but Dad -- you smoke CIGARETTES!" sort of argument, there may not be any hope for you. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 06:39 PM (kdS6q) ____________ Ahh back to the "it's for the children" argument. It's all you got. Because there is no rationale for banning it other than 1. I don't like it, therefore nobody should like it and 2. FOR THE CHILDREN!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:43 PM (0LHZx)

340 Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:39 PM (TE35l)

should be like the old old west. When the trappers came out.

The only law was yourself.

The only rule was whatever you got away with.

They could designate a few wilderness areas as no holds barred.

anyone in such areas were on their own and anything goes.

Fence it gate it and put an admission fee. (just enough to pay for carting out the dead bodies)

Only allow minimum armaments/equipment.

think people'd pay for that? You betcha.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:44 PM (LSDdO)

341 Awesome! A pot legalization argument! Guess who's on his way to the Phish concert?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 31, 2013 01:44 PM (9K17N)

342 You put your weed in here. (was SNL still funny?)

Posted by: wooga at December 31, 2013 01:45 PM (vvB6e)

343 Guess who's on his way to the Phish concert? Someone with poor hearing and poorer taste in music?

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 01:45 PM (0GtXP)

344 Posted by: mugiwara at December 31, 2013 06:44 PM (9K17N)

Or has a Grateful Dead sticker on his VW bus?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:45 PM (LSDdO)

345 337 I'm not a child; why can't I legally have, use, and grow marijuana? Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:42 PM (EWsrI) _________ Because you'll catch schizophrenia or something.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 01:45 PM (0LHZx)

346 New thread--who knew?

Posted by: Britney Spears at December 31, 2013 01:46 PM (RJMhd)

347 **Vacuum Cleaner Solo**

Posted by: PHish Sucks at December 31, 2013 01:46 PM (0GtXP)

348

"Barzun also said that to understand America, you needed to understand baseball."

 

Yep - I love his baseball essay - he described baseball as a living chessboard and gave wonderful descriptions of the roles of each player. I forgive him for being a diehard Yankee fan.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 01:47 PM (R3gO3)

349 "304 I owuldn't have a problem with the holier than tho types who think pot causes problems in society...IF...they weren't so fucking hypocritical. You want to ban pot? Fine. As soon as you ban booze, cigarettes, pizza, fast food, cars, guns and anything else that has the potential to hurt someone somewhere some time. Oh but we can't do that because...FREEDOM!! We only ban things we don't like." Okay. There's no logical stopping point for bath salts, meth, heroin, mushrooms and PCP (other than you not approving). You can make the exact same arguments for any of those. PCP and meth can cause violence; so can alcohol. Legalize all of those as well. China and Iran will be laughing all the way to our graves. Freedom is limited by society's requirement to have a reasonably productive workforce and useful military-aged population. Potheads are useless. Alcohol is legal because anyone can make it with zero effort.

Posted by: Naes1984 at December 31, 2013 01:48 PM (zeV2E)

350 @299 Sorry about your New Years plans grammie? But Hey!!! The. Packers. Beat. The Teddy Bears. And man, that little sip at Blanton's still tastes good. Three more like that then, see about dinner. Then, another taste, or 6, of Mister Blanton's Single barrel bourbon. Be safe tonight every one. Please.

Posted by: teej at December 31, 2013 01:48 PM (RYVE/)

351 Yeah, what would the Journal of Neuroscience know? Probably are Christian neuroscientists, amirite?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2013 01:48 PM (ZPrif)

352 Lol, I'll lose it if Henrietta busts out a vacuum cleaner solo tonight! Happy New Year's rons!

Posted by: mugiwara at December 31, 2013 01:49 PM (9K17N)

353 Moo, Being annoyed with other people for being hypocritical is like being annoyed with them for having skin. We all are. You too. The trick in life is to overcome as much of that natural hypocritical state as possible, but even that is an asymptotic effort. Fortunately, this human state of affairs also means that things aren't necessarily as bad as they look, from an Idiocracy standpoint. People aren't stupid, they have just been taught to believe that other people are stupid. Therein lies both our curse and our salvation. We're not doomed yet.

Posted by: Piercello at December 31, 2013 01:49 PM (P4dpU)

354 309 Better yet, the same people looking to legalize drugs who want to ban sugar, trans-fats, sat, etc. Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 06:35 PM (ZshNr) ^^This. And don't forget tobacco. Schizophrenia usually emerges in the late teens and early 20s. I seriously doubt that there is a cause-and-effect relationship between smoking marijuana and developing schizophrenia, at least in those who begin smoking as adults. But teenagers' brains are still developing, and I don't doubt that smoking pot at a young age will affect brain development, and not in a good way. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that smoking as a teenager increases the risk of developing schizophrenia. Full disclosure: I smoked pot for over 20 years, but I didn't start until I was 18. Even though I quit years ago, I still support legalization, although it's no longer an important issue for me personally. Most of the major social pathologies, such as drug cartels, crime, and teenagers getting ahold of it would mostly go away with legalization. I think it's probably much easier for teenagers to obtain illicit drugs than legal but regulated products like alcohol and tobacco.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

355

http://tinyurl.com/k6f5rrg

Deadline Detroit noted that PolicyMic is similar to websites like Buzzfeed that use a 'a behavioral analyst' to generate viral headlines before assigning them to a writer to produce a matching story.

Posted by: Cracker Barrel Philosopher at December 31, 2013 01:51 PM (Ybu1V)

356 But what does he know? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 06:41 PM (0LHZx) What to say to get re-elected?

Posted by: The Electoral Hat at December 31, 2013 01:55 PM (AymDN)

357 If we legalize a drug, and want the government to stay out of people's business, then the government ought to stay our completely. You O.D.? Gov't aint gonna spend one red cent. You have an addiction problem? Gov't aint gonna spend one dime on rehabilitation. You want to quit? Go cold turkey. You commit a crime on drugs? Rehab won't be an option in the courts. I will make one exception for the street sweepers that will whisk away the dead smack addicts out of the gutters.

Posted by: The Electoral Hat at December 31, 2013 01:58 PM (AymDN)

358 Uh, yeah. re this: 18 Stages Of Getting Addicted To A New TV Show I went through this with both The Good Wife and Homeland.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2013 01:58 PM (DmNpO)

359 356 If we legalize a drug, and want the government to stay out of people's business, then the government ought to stay our completely. Posted by: The Electoral Hat at December 31, 2013 06:58 PM (AymDN) Works for me.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 02:00 PM (sdi6R)

360 "To Americans living from 1730 to 1870, Lincoln's speeches were not overly-complicated or difficult to follow. They were accustomed to long complicated thoughts in political speech. This has all changed since the television became the chief conveyance of not merely pop entertainment but, crucially, of political expression and culture itself."

I still remember fondly when the widow of Farnsworth, inventer of the TV, was honored at an Emmy telecast (this was when I still bothered to watch the Emmys.) I think they thought she's be all proud of her husbands invention, but instead she was very meh about it, which was fabulous of her. Or, FLAWLESS, if I use the correct Buzzfeed vernacular. She was very scornful of her husband's invention having brought more good than bad to the world in interviews; at the time that seemed almost sacrilegious, to my 80's child TV soaked mind, but now I get it. And commiserate.

Posted by: LizLem at December 31, 2013 02:01 PM (BF+2f)

361 OT sorta...Am trying to watch Netflix streaming movies before they vanish, saw War and Peace. Am I allowed to think the ending, while impressive visually, just got tedious and long, or is this merely my ADD riddled buzzfed soaked lizard brain taking over? (Also Fonda was horribly miscast IMO.) I watched the original True Grit and loved it, and that also has long moments of impressive landscapes, so I hope not.

Posted by: LizLem at December 31, 2013 02:01 PM (BF+2f)

362

I experimented with pot in high school and smoked it occasionally in college. Never really liked it that much. What I do remember is that the kids in high school who were constant stoners were also the most unmotivated "Oh, uh, wow, man" types. I had a high school friend from "the wrong side of the tracks" (parents divorced; mom dated bikers who abused her and the kids) who rose above her circumstances. She got a job as a secretary at a local college and went to night school and got her BA despite the fact that she was never encouraged to do so. Her brother, who has smoked pot every single day since he's been 16, worked a dead-end job and lived at home until he was 40. I ran into him at a grocery store about a month ago. Don't tell me pot smoking has no long-term effects. All you have to do is talk to this guy for 3 minutes and you'll see them. It's very sad to see someone who is getting gray hair and still talks like "Beavis and Butthead."

 

And pot today is much more potent than the stuff smoked in the '60's, '70's and '80's.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 31, 2013 02:04 PM (R3gO3)

363 Best New Year's Eve story: TFG's lead pollster, having seen the Preisdent PutPut's polling numbers drop into Nixon territory has formally requested "news" organizations stop writing stories about public polling for the year 2014. What can you say about something so inane as that? http://bit.ly/1ep7FgV

Posted by: MTF at December 31, 2013 02:07 PM (V68gr)

364 Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people

Extremely small minds on the other hand...

Posted by: AE at December 31, 2013 02:12 PM (HYceo)

365 Being on ground zero here, y'all are missing some key factors: 1) 21 and over! Legal pot wont make it more accessible for high schoolers then it already is, and has been for 40 years. 2) The cartels stuff is schwag, cheap, not sought out, and pretty much out of business. Black market still exists and the shop stuff will be expensive. The stronger stuff comes from the growers trying to outdo each other, not the cartels shipping the cheapest product. The cartels move to harder drugs and other locations. 3) It's been effectively legal here for many years and none of these predicted bad things happened - that's why the voters went along with full legalization, and why this will probably happen all over the country soon - the only real objections come from law enforcement losing their jobs program. Small l libertarianism is a winning platform for the GOP - even MKH acknowledges this - the voters are punishing the socons for their perceived hypocrisy, and this is a perfect example.

Posted by: Joe who is always late at December 31, 2013 02:12 PM (69fz+)

366 Posted by: LizLem at December 31, 2013 07:01 PM (BF+2f)

If you want the real War and Peace experience, watch the interminable eight hour Bondarchuk epic version (with subtitles).  You will suffer, just as you would if reading the book by Tolstoy.

Posted by: HTL at December 31, 2013 02:12 PM (QV8Gr)

367 You sound like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at December 31, 2013 02:18 PM (qNZ3I)

368 How to tell someone's a troll: he quotes a scientific study without linking it or providing any hint on who did it, and who paid for it.

How to tell the linked study is worthless: it gives specific numbers when they look bad, but no numbers at all when (it's safe to assume) they don't look so bad. Check this one out:

"[A]t a .08 BAC level, drivers are so impaired that they are 11 times more likely to have a single-vehicle crash than drivers with no alcohol in their system." Eleven times? That's a lot! Huge, in fact, especially when we think how badly the average sober person drives.

But why not give the ratio for multi-vehicle crashes? Because it's a whole lot less than 11:1? I can't think of any other reason not to. (By the way, it's also a lot easier to fudge the definition of single-vehicle "crash" - if I miscalculate and my tires hit the curb fairly hard, or the underside of my front bumper makes a horrible scraping noise on the curb and I have to back up a bit, is that a "crash"? If I hit another car that hard, it certainly would be, but that's the sort of thing I do now and then without being drunk at all.)

Back to the quoted study: "But 25 years of research has shown that some impairment begins for both males and females even after one drink." That's awfully vague: "some impairment"? How much is "some"? Not much, it's safe to assume, or they would have told us.

I won't quote the rest of Moocow's quotation, just note that it mentions "some loss of judgment", a "decline" (entirely unquantified) "in visual functions", and a similarly unquantified "decline in the ability to perform two tasks at the same time". So how impaired are people at .02% blood alcohol? I'm going to guess that the ratio is so small as to be trivial, nowhere near "eleven times", maybe something like 1.04 or 1.06 times more impaired than they are when sober.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at December 31, 2013 02:33 PM (6g9W/)

369 Remember when they legalized cars? And all the gangsters who made money stealing cars, went out of business? That was AWESOME.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 31, 2013 02:34 PM (w4IDR)

370 The Herb is good! The Herb can be grown and sown, and sold, and shared, and used, without interference, because it is GOOD! The only troubles with the Herb are from people who hate the Herb! I mean yeah people steal legal electronics and cars and sell them to other criminals for the 1/3 of store value they can get, and yeah people smuggle cigarettes to dodge the taxes, and yes, the legal kosher butcher industry was totally owned by the Mafia at one point, but, NONE of that affects the Herb! It's not that some people are bad and hack through society hurting people for profit, those people will be converted by love of the Herb! Where you see crime, the answer is the Herb!

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 31, 2013 02:41 PM (w4IDR)

371 Chris_Balsz - I hope your middle initial isn't 'P' because . . . ouch!

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at December 31, 2013 03:00 PM (6g9W/)

372 One simple comment. "This isn't Buzzfeed's fault or anything. They are merely responding to the signals the market is sending, and the market is sending the signal "Dumb is Easy, and Easy is Holy."" Yes, it is Buzzfeed's fault. And this, I think, is the biggest blind spot of the right. Buzzfeed decided to feed this desire. They are the ones catering to it. Market forces don't justify anything. If the market demands abhorrent thing X and you provide X, you're part of the problem.

Posted by: Crude at December 31, 2013 04:49 PM (znnUw)

373 I dont care about the opinions of people who think squeezing out a brat is an "obligation of adulthood" Thanks for trying though. As for the weed thing, you're either for freedom or you aren't. The stupid attempts to pretend you get to have an opinion about what others consume, to the point that you use the government to force your opinions on others at the point of a gun, are a total waste of time.

Posted by: nunaya biz at December 31, 2013 05:35 PM (EilFB)

374 I've been compensating, developing some pretty good "Don't click this"-fu, meself. I'm pretty sure the younger generations are even better at it, doing the selection better, faster.

I'm thinking it's a good, normal response to being bombarded constantly with the link bait, and promotes better filtering capability on savvy people's part.

My theory on the subject:
 
The human animal is not currently wired to not believe what it perceives - when a hominid saw a predator approach, the ones among our ancestors who questioned the input got eaten.With the advent of print, that translated into people having a pretty well-known bias to believe what they read. All that was well and good, since historically there was a fairly high threshold for getting material into print - a market safeguard that insured that to some degree, most printed material had at least some intrinsic worth (L. Ron Hubbard writings being a notable exception). 

Now, however, print is essentially free, there is no worth threshold at all. So now, worthless information can compete for our attention at a par with information of worth, but since worthless info is cheaper to produce, that's what you see a predominance of on the Web.

 The good news is that IMO we are a flexible bunch, and we will adapt our own filters, both in our brains and potential in the tools we use. A good idea for product development (I am sure somebody is already doing it) would be intelligent filter systems (siri, anyone), which can insulate the user while still allowing information of worth through.

We've been adapting fer millions of years, I'm sure we're up to it.


 
 

Posted by: West at December 31, 2013 06:15 PM (iMxEz)

375 @ 369 That still wouldn't be as bad a deal as my cousin Harry had.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 31, 2013 09:02 PM (NZp+v)

376 There is no doubt that we are less literate as a people. We read less, and many young people today eschew reading altogether. Whenever I pick up a young adult novel, I am surprised at how trite it is. I can read one of these in a day, easily. When I recall the kind of books I was reading grade school, I shudder to think about what is being spoonfed to our kids. If you take a gander at old text books, that is when it becomes even ore glaringly obvious that not only has there been great inflation and goods cost more, but grades have become quite inflated as well. An 8th grade English text book from the turn of the century, that is, 1900, that was used by my grandfather has reading selections that the average high school senior will not see, if they are English majors mind you, until college - if ever. This was material that 8th graders in 1900 were able to read, understand, and reflect upon. To make matters worse, we no longer teach Latin or rhetoric, and we can see all around us the decline in the ability to reason logically, recognize logical fallacies, debate, and expand one's understanding of issues. The lack of Latin is now being countered in many schools by teaching Greek and Latin word stems, but you know, Latin is supposedly a dead language and there was no need to keep teaching it. But that isn't the worst of it. Not only does pop culture eschew being intellectual and informed, it spews the vilest trivialities and pretends it is high art or something. When was the last time you heard a popular song on the radio that had a counter melody or a truly imaginative metaphor? We have illiterate music written and performed by people that know nothing of music theory, let alone poetry or basic literary elements. Hell, good luck finding a song lyric today that has a real rhyme, let alone any cultural or historical allusion to something of value or demonstrative of any solid educational background beyond 2nd grade. We are witnessing a complete disconnect between previous generations and this one. The younger generations do not care about learning or being smart. They have more interest in exchanging selfies or banal updates than exchanging ideas or discussing current issues. They get their news from Jon Stewart or Colbert, and they make political decisions based upon SNL skits. It's a sad state of affairs, but with so many shiny things about to distract the perpetually multi-tasking, I don't see much hope in avoiding the very dumbing-down that Orwell warned about in 1984. We are getting to the point, just like in the book, where 20 years from now, no one will be able to grasp the significance of what we are losing.

Posted by: MagdaMagda99 at December 31, 2013 09:21 PM (2/oBD)

377 "As for the weed thing, you're either for freedom or you aren't. " Oh, OK. The guys who made reefer criminal didn't get FREEDOM. That's what, a majority of America, for four generations? "The stupid attempts to pretend you get to have an opinion" That's deep stuff. Do I have an opinion, or, do I imagine I get to have an opinion? Doesn't the notion that I create a fiction of empowerment to opine, require at least an awareness of the limitation against opinion, if not a conscious act of deception? Suppose, I step onto a frozen puddle, put my boot through, and realize from the stench it's a hog wallow. Isn't it possible that I react instantly to my senses and form an opinion, without any social context as to whether I am permitted to form an opinion, or indeed, any conscious thought except the full absorption of my sensory perceptions? Nice definition of freedom by the way. Oh wait, that's probably a forbidden opinion. "about what others consume, to the point that you use the government to force your opinions on others at the point of a gun," Seems to me every one of the 13 colonies, and all 50 states, have had some law regarding consumption of intoxicants and the punishment of drunks, since whitey set foot on this continent. "are a total waste of time." Hey! That's a forbidden opinion about what others consume!

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 31, 2013 09:29 PM (NZp+v)

378 118 Cracked is just like the Daily Show. It does the Clown Nose On/Clown Nose Off thing all the time. A lot of the Cracked stuff is barely comic and just straight up moralizing. Plus, Cracked is letting their liberal side show in a lot of articles, with jabs at Republican figures and conservative talking points. An article entitled "The 23 most surprisingly true facts about awful people" had Margaret Thatcher listed among folks like Hitler, Stalin, and Sadamm Hussain. Really?

Posted by: Hawk at January 01, 2014 05:37 AM (2dYnc)

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