June 27, 2013

Cloture Vote for Final Comprehensive Piece of Shit Fails to Garner 70 Votes;
Final Vote on Bill Slated for 4PM

— Ace

They got 68 votes for cloture earlier today, not 70. Now they proceed to the bill on the merits. It will certainly pass, and possibly with 70 -- some Democrats haven't been voting. Thus they will contrive some momentum -- "from 68 to 70 in just three hours, wowsers!" -- and the Liberal Spirit Squad in the media will talk that up.

Allah has a big round-up, including this interview with Senator Hoeven on his amendment.

And even liberals at TNR are noticing that gee whiz, a big influx of low-skilled labor willing to work for low wages sort of hurts our current pool of low-skilled laborers:

All in all, I became convinced that high levels of low-skill immigration are good for wealthy Americans and bad for poor Americans. Far more important, high levels of illegal immigration—when you start to get into the millions, as we have—undermines unions and labor standards, lowers wages, heightens social tensions, strains state budgets, widens income inequality, subverts the rule of law, and exacerbates class divides. The effects go far beyond wages, because few undocumented workers earn enough to cover anything close to the cost of government services (such as education for their children) they require, and those services are most important to low-income Americans. In short, it’s an immense blow to America’s working class and poor.

Rubio gave his closing argument in favor of the bill, which consists, like so much of speechifying, as 1, My Mom and Dad Are Awesome, 2, Yay America Iz Awesome, and now 3, Amnesty iz Awesome and America Iz Awesome and They Go Together Like a Reeces'.

People (including me) have long liked the idea of Rubio while not being particularly impressed about the reality of Rubio. We gave him an Obama-like pass-- he just talked about his biography and spoke vaporously about America 'n Stuff and we all gave him some Hopey-Changey credit.

But in reality, he doesn't speak often about tangible conservative goals and there are a truckfull of specific conservative commitments on immigration he made in 2010 which he's now basically told us were all just politically-useful lies.

You can watch this betrayal on CSPAN 2 or here.

They Passed It... with 68 votes. Joey Bides claimed the vote was 68-32 but isn't that wrong? Didn't he just subtract 68 from 100? But there aren't 100 senators, right? With Lautenberg dead and not yet replaced, there are 99, right?

Update: @benk84 tells me I'm wrong and Uncle Choo-Choo is right. There is already a NJ replacement in the Senate (Chisea) and the vote is 68-32.

Okay, I'm stupid. You knew this. There isn't any unfair surprise here.

Posted by: Ace at 11:12 AM | Comments (294)
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1 This will not end well....

Posted by: AnthonyB at June 27, 2013 11:13 AM (m7EhJ)

2

So what you're basically saying is Rubio is Bizzaro Obama and they have some nexus as far as both liking amnesty. Got it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:14 AM (t06LC)

3 Rubio's biggest sin - and soon to be Ryan's - isn't being sold on bad policy or being bamboozled by Schumer and Durbin.  It is LYING about the provisions of the bill and their effect.

Repeatedly, in multiple venues.  Lying and then doubling down on the lies.

He simply can never be trusted again.  Period.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 27, 2013 11:15 AM (473jB)

4 Proud of the way Sen Sessions has been on this dog of a bill..

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 11:15 AM (jsWA8)

5 Roll Tide

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 11:15 AM (jsWA8)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:15 AM (/PCJa)

7 The Cuban Comb-over can go take a flying leap. Total fucking sell-out and a bald-faced liar. My fear is that the House will pass their own shit sammich, bring it conference committee where any subatomic vestige of goodness is destroyed by Schumer and Reid, and then it gets passed and signed by Il Douché. FUCK.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:16 AM (+98Gb)

8 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:16 AM (/PCJa)

9

@3

 

Yeah, if nothing else this shanesty has been a great democratic ploy to winnow down the GOP field.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:16 AM (t06LC)

10 Rubio gave his closing argument in favor of the bill

--

I'm utterly gobsmacked that Rubio is not backing down from this travesty.  He is being incinerated all over the place.  His poll numbers are cratering.  He's losing massive support.  And. He. Simply. Doesn't. Care. 

Amazing.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 27, 2013 11:16 AM (ovWeo)

11 And now... BURN DOWN THE PHONE LINES IN THE HOUSE. No bill. Table the Senate's disaster plan permanently.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:17 AM (+98Gb)

12 Once again, hoping that Boehner nuts up and lets this thing die. It's not a pleasant feeling to be depending on that.

Posted by: joncelli at June 27, 2013 11:17 AM (RD7QR)

13 Ace,  as an older person who listened to my grandma,  an old-fashioned no-nonsense schoolteacher,  I will pass on to you the lesson she taught me:  "Deeds, not words!"

Thank you for admitting to being fooled by Rubio's words.  I have to admit that the first speech I heard of his was impressive,  and of course Charlie Crist was not a good alternative.

It's very disappointing.  I have, since that first speech,  thought for some time that Rubio was a weak and easily pressured man.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 27, 2013 11:17 AM (GoIUi)

14 I'm utterly gobsmacked that Rubio is not backing down from this travesty. He is being incinerated all over the place. His poll numbers are cratering. He's losing massive support. And. He. Simply. Doesn't. Care. Amazing. --- Look at the state he represents. Amnesty gives him a much bigger pool of voters he can attempt to hoodwink.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 27, 2013 11:17 AM (a3iAA)

15 I said in the previous thread: Our hope now rests on Boehner. Hmmm... would being a raging alcoholic really be that bad? *ponders*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:17 AM (/PCJa)

16
4 Proud of the way Sen Sessions has been on this dog of a bill..


Please don't mention that in front of Ace now that he's back on the market.

Posted by: Jeff Sessions's Garbage at June 27, 2013 11:18 AM (9F2c1)

17 My fear is that the House will pass their own shit sammich, bring it conference committee where any subatomic vestige of goodness is destroyed by Schumer and Reid, and then it gets passed and signed by Il Douché.

Without reading a word of it, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at June 27, 2013 11:18 AM (/kI1Q)

18 10 Posted by: Lady in Black at June 27, 2013 04:16 PM (ovWeo) If I had a tinfoil hat, I would say that Rubio will switch parties and then run as a Hillary's veep. Not so nutty, really.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:18 AM (+98Gb)

19

McCain lite. No thanks. I still keep picturing McCain as Yoda in the swamp scene mentoring Marco. "Learned much you have young master Marco, My Friends call them you must. Learn to trust your RINO powers young one".

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (PihNI)

20

@10

 

Not entirely surprising. There's a term in business (I forget what its called) but the idea is after you start putting down on a bad bet you keep adding to it thinking you might turn things around. Happens to gamblers too.

 

The problem is when Rubio started there weren't any red lines he'd back away from. Starting without a base in negotiations when the other guy knows it is a great way to lose your ass.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (t06LC)

21 twitter....how does it work?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (8JJ6O)

22 If I had a tinfoil hat, I would say that Rubio will switch parties and then run as a Hillary's veep. All it would take is a successful primary challenge.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (/PCJa)

23 I'm utterly gobsmacked that Rubio is not backing down from this travesty. He is being incinerated all over the place. His poll numbers are cratering. He's losing massive support. And. He. Simply. Doesn't. Care.

Amazing.


It's almost like he's your typical Republican politician instead of a statesman.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (FnDl+)

24 All in all, I became convinced that high levels of low-skill immigration are good for wealthy Americans and bad for poor Americans.



A fucking genius, that one is.  I wonder how many hours of slide-rule work it took to hit on this gem of cosmic insight.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (8ZskC)

25

Not going to watch.  Never had any real interest in what the Senate did here.  It was always the House, and frankly I'm feeling a little better about what they plan to do at the moment.

 

Granted, you can't ever trust them, because... well, they're politicians, but they are obviously hearing from their constituents. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2013 11:19 AM (TOk1P)

26 Rubio will also get some fat donations from the big business / WSJ side of the GOP. That will more than offset his losses from betraying the TP side. He'll never lose his seat.

Posted by: wooga at June 27, 2013 11:20 AM (OujeZ)

27 Rube eeyore shoe mere have ay nev dinah room pooh dash cow nasty.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen using Sven's bluetoof voice headset to post at June 27, 2013 11:20 AM (ZWvOb)

28 So can we put the Lolpurity argument to rest now?

Posted by: eleven at June 27, 2013 11:20 AM (KXm42)

29 25 Granted, you can't ever trust them, because... well, they're politicians, but they are obviously hearing from their constituents. Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2013 04:19 PM (TOk1P) Ryan is making noises about taking up Rubio's mantle in the House and passing their own bill based on his. THAT. MUST. BE. STOPPED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:20 AM (+98Gb)

30 >>>We gave him an Obama-like pass-- he just talked about his biography and spoke vaporously about America 'n Stuff and we all gave him some Hopey-Changey credit. See, this is why I can't quit ace, always closing. Ace gets coffee, ace is a closer.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 27, 2013 11:21 AM (q177U)

31 if rubio's political career survives & he runs for national office he will not get my vote......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 11:21 AM (8JJ6O)

32 Poser, not closer....

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 11:21 AM (jsWA8)

33 Not entirely surprising. There's a term in business (I forget what its called) but the idea is after you start putting down on a bad bet you keep adding to it thinking you might turn things around. I can't remember the term either (other than "good money after bad"), but I know what you're talking about. It's a combination of ego ("I couldn't possibly be wrong!") and rationalization ("next time, it'll be better!"). And I think that's part of what's going on, but only part.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:21 AM (/PCJa)

34

Help us Obi Wan Boehner, you're our only hope.

 

 

Oh Shit !

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (nTgAI)

35 10 Lady in Black.... He believes that by the time five years go by, people will forget...and he's probably correct.

Posted by: WVinMN at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (usaBg)

36 Lady in Black -

Putting all that together, and assuming that Rubio is a rational human being, you have to wonder why he's doing it, and what he's getting out of it.

I can't imagine he thinks he'll get support from our new La Raza overlords, since we all know their feelings on grande gobierno. Reid, Schumer, and Obama will get and take all the "credit".

Its unlikely that the long term effects will make us look back favorably on this by 2016 or 2020, as we all know that this bill will devastate us culturally, economically, and politically. So there's no short term pain for long term gain angle.

Why the hell are Rubio, and to a lesser extent, Paul Ryan pushing this so hard?

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (HVOxM)

37 So Rubio is basically saying if we're against the bill we hate America?

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (qRasw)

38

thats a brilliant summation on Rubio, equating him getting a pass from us like Obama rec'd. My parents are great, America is great, therefore this is a great bill. There is no other conclusion than Rubio pulled one over on us. He is not the one we thought he might be. It looks like Ted Cruz is the one we were looking for all along.

Posted by: exceller at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (ROGMG)

39 34 Help us Obi Wan Boehner, you're our only hope. Oh Shit ! Posted by: The Jackhole at June 27, 2013 04:22 PM (nTgAI) I keep picturing a drunken Lee Marvin from "Cat Ballou," riding to our rescue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:22 AM (+98Gb)

40 umm, uh, umm

Posted by: the fat lady at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (codCi)

41 A pox on all of them and theirs.

Posted by: Mil-Dot at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (Cs2tJ)

42 Fucking Ryan, what a tool he is too. The Republicans were poised to sweep the deck in the 2014 elections, and now they are taking a massive shit on their base. This makes no sense, right? I mean am I missing something?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (q177U)

43 boehner won't even bring the bill up for a vote, which is awesome.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (ERPCd)

44 Ryan is making noises about taking up Rubio's mantle in the House and passing their own bill based on his. THAT. MUST. BE. STOPPED. Yep, any bill that comes to the floor must be seen as a failure. Any bill that passes must be seen as capitulation. No "immigration reform" until this POS from the Senate is completely dead.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (/PCJa)

45 Once again, hoping that Boehner nuts up and lets this thing die. It's not a pleasant feeling to be depending on that.

It's that or recognize that elections will no longer be a viable way of resolving our differences with the socialists.

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Methos at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (hO9ad)

46 I'm still trying to figure out how the entirety of this POS will be dumped on the Republicans in the next couple of election cycles while the Dems skate.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 27, 2013 11:23 AM (Gkhxf)

47 i know the term but can't remember it either. it's something like the Sunk Cost Fallacy.  There's some idea in a gambler's head that he need to bet more to "recover" what has been lost, when in reality, that money is already gone, and there is no connection to his next bet.  All he's doing is betting more.  He is just refusing to come to grips with his losses and, in both common-speech and accounting terms, realize his loss.


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (LCRYB)

48 It's gonna pass in the Senate but it sounds like the House bill will be very different. All this exercise has done is highlight the senators we can't trust and Rubio is front and center. If anyone on the Zimmerman jury has an IQ above water there is no way he is getting convicted. The trial is a joke.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (g1DWB)

49 Just saw McCain and Schumer hugging and kissing each other after the vote, Pathetic.

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (BVkEs)

50 At least they ain't gettin shit done.


Posted by: dananjcon at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (jvd3N)

51 > And I think that's part of what's going on, but only part. I'm convinced the Dems have pics of Rubio, like they do for Miss Lindsey, smoking a pole, NTTIAWWT.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen using Sven's bluetoof voice headset to post at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (ZWvOb)

52 If Boehner had any stones, he'd say no immigration bill until Reid, the pederast, sends over a budget that he was recently complaining about not passing.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (9Bdcz)

53 43 boehner won't even bring the bill up for a vote, which is awesome. Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:23 PM (ERPCd) The fear is that he brings up a bill generated in the House. If that goes to conference, then that is the end game.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:24 AM (+98Gb)

54 @ AtC: 

Thanks for pointing out the io9 Star Trek article, it was a hoot.  

Linky for anyone else who couldn't find it:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pzyw4wg

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (oY6Yp)

55 you start putting down on a bad bet you keep adding to it thinking you might turn things around.

***

In a military context that's known as reinforcing failure.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (VlXYw)

56

I get Rubio in all this and his calculations. I don't get Ryan. He's too smart to realize despite what the CBO says what this really will do to the deficit.

 

He must have had some bad shit the NSA found in his inbox.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (t06LC)

57 It's like GOP was part in stopping the Tea party with the IRS.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (AWmfW)

58 It looks like Ted Cruz is the one we were looking for all along. Let's cool our jets, there. Ted Cruz has been good, but that's all nice, safe stuff here in Texas. Let's let him loose on his rope, but remember that he's still the worst of all worlds- a lawyer and a politician. If we let him loose on the rope and he's good, then maybe we can trust him. Otherwise, we'll have given him enough to hang himself. But don't take your eye off him for one second.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (/PCJa)

59 #23

To be fair, a statesman is supposed to do what is good for the country even if it is unpopular.

However, this can be confusing: Just simply doing unpopular things doesn't suddenly make you a 'statesman'.

Posted by: echo RiverC; at June 27, 2013 11:25 AM (El+h4)

60 No one but the engaged even knows this is going on.

Posted by: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (uvaJ1)

61 According to a headline a few days ago - Rubio's approval rating among republicans has "plummeted" from 70% to something like 55%. And thats why we're fucked. After all this, he's a shoe-in for re-election.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (r98SZ)

62 56
I get Rubio in all this and his calculations. I don't get Ryan. He's too smart to realize despite what the CBO says what this really will do to the deficit.

He must have had some bad shit the NSA found in his inbox.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 04:25 PM (t06LC)


Vanity , they have promised him some shit.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (AWmfW)

63 Republican's are weak.

Posted by: Mil-Dot at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (Cs2tJ)

64
True or False?

CNBC already has prepared two sets of talking points for tomorrow. If the market is up, it's because the market likes the Senate's immigration bill, cheerleading will commence.

If the market is down, no mention of the immigration bill, but they'll try to fit in some points on how the Sequester is keeping down the economy.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (LVtr+)

65 Good litmus test as to who can and can't be trusted.

Posted by: sanity at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (YV/s9)

66 I think I hate McCain more than any dem. No I'm sure I do.

Posted by: eleven at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (KXm42)

67

@51

 

Maybe its some kind of Graham/Rubio 69 while McCain films in the corner wearing a gimp mask.

 

Or we really are the stupid party.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:26 AM (t06LC)

68 If Boehner had any stones, he'd say no immigration bill until Reid, the pederast, sends over a budget that he was recently complaining about not passing. Fixed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (/PCJa)

69 52 If Boehner had any stones, he'd say no immigration bill until Reid, the pederast, sends over a budget that he was recently complaining about not passing. Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 27, 2013 04:24 PM (9Bdcz) Okay, a little mind game. Boehner says we'll pass the amnesty in exchange for: a) repeal of Obamacare b) abolition of the IRS and a flat tax c) abolition of the EPA and open all lands to drilling d) all of the above e) all of the above and no amnesty bill ever f) choice "e" and "fuck you, war."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (+98Gb)

70 People (including me) have long liked the idea of Rubio while not being particularly impressed about the reality of Rubio. We gave him an Obama-like pass-- he just talked about his biography and spoke vaporously about America 'n Stuff and we all gave him some Hopey-Changey credit. Yep, I remember quite a lot of that. It's not just the left that can fall victim to a cult of personality.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (zoehZ)

71 Re: cruz. It's funny that dems can be as far left as they want without reprecussion but that GOP are automatically branded as extreme. so may as well get a GOP candidate who is exreme in the first place.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (ERPCd)

72 Amnesty gives him a much bigger pool of voters he can attempt to hoodwink.

--

I don't see this happening.  He won't garner their votes and the last FL poll I saw had his base support dropping precipitously.  If this pos passes, it will adversely affect so many people.  And his Ken hairdo and face are all over it.  Poster boy for annihilating the country isn't something to hang your hat on when running for reelection or election to higher office.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (ovWeo)

73 Republicans have been holding out for a non-white hero to save them, because whites standing up for whites is "racist". It doesn't work. In the main, whites who identify as white, explicitly, are going to have to save themselves.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (/+EhN)

74

@61

 

Ask Charlie Crist about that "sure thing" election...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (t06LC)

75 Not entirely surprising. There's a term in business (I forget what its called) but the idea is after you start putting down on a bad bet you keep adding to it thinking you might turn things around.

Posted by: AllenG


Sunk cost?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (XS/b3)

76 61 According to a headline a few days ago - Rubio's approval rating among republicans has "plummeted" from 70% to something like 55%. And thats why we're fucked. After all this, he's a shoe-in for re-election. Posted by: Fact Guy


If Rubio only gets 55% of the Republican vote in Florida he loses by 20.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (qRasw)

77 He must have had some bad shit the NSA found in his inbox.
Nope.

Koch bros, Silicon Valley, and  and chamber of commerce cheese.

Posted by: Mil-Dot at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (Cs2tJ)

78 What is it with these people? We need a simple litmus test: Question: What's you're vote? Correct answer: NO Not 'what's the issue?' or 'I'd have to know what I'm voting on', but a simple 'NO'. And that should apply to almost everything. We want legislation stopped. We want funding rolled back. We don't want the GOP going off on social-con crusades or trying to get us into another war on behalf of people who share nothing with us, we just want them to stop shit.

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2013 11:27 AM (o+SC1)

79
Chisea (NJ) is already sworn in

Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (KeJAW)

80 it's also easier to deal with house gop. They aren't brain dead like most senators are.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (ERPCd)

81 Face it.  You f***** up.  You trusted us.

Posted by: Marco "Otter" Rubio at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (Gkhxf)

82 s/you're/your/

Posted by: JEM at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (o+SC1)

83 63 Republican's are weak. Posted by: Mil-Dot at June 27, 2013 04:26 PM (Cs2tJ) They're not weak; they're accomplices.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (+98Gb)

84 Rubio's biggest sin - and soon to be Ryan's - isn't being sold on bad policy or being bamboozled by Schumer and Durbin. It is LYING about the provisions of the bill and their effect. Repeatedly, in multiple venues. Lying and then doubling down on the lies. He simply can never be trusted again. Period. Posted by: Adjoran at June 27, 2013 04:15 PM (473jB) I lost it for Ryan back when he submitted his plan to save Medicare and it included ALL of the OwebamaCare tax increases and touted how he was "saving Medicare." It's not saving ANYTHING if you're still bankrupting the COUNTRY, dipshit!

Posted by: Sponge at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (xmcEQ)

85

@69

 

F

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (t06LC)

86 Rubio was just covering Rubio's ass. He can survive any primary from the right and now that he has whored himself out to the illegal crowd he has cover against the left. He's a senator not a rep from a right leaning district. He wants to be senator more than he wants to do the right thing. Shocking, I know, but it happens a lot in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 11:28 AM (g1DWB)

87
wow 68!

that's 18 more than 50!!

wow!

/the media

Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 11:29 AM (vzLhi)

88 If anyone on the Zimmerman jury has an IQ above water there is no way he is getting convicted. The trial is a joke.

Never
ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
.











But never ignore malice.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 27, 2013 11:29 AM (FnDl+)

89 Texas gave us the Bushes Rove Richards too. All pro amnesty. Lets give Cruz some credit.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 11:29 AM (zOTsN)

90 ace,
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/03/25/the-sunk-cost-fallacy/

That covers what you were talking about. Commitment messes with notions of actual cost. In Christian terms, this is called 'If you're going to sin, sin boldly.' Emotional connection to a commitment I guess, even if the commitment is funtionally meaningless, makes you sink more money into something that may indeed (like Farmville) never net you a cent.

Posted by: echo RiverC; at June 27, 2013 11:29 AM (El+h4)

91

 i know the term but can't remember it either. it's something like the Sunk Cost Fallacy

 

--------------------

 

Escalation of Commitment.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 27, 2013 11:29 AM (CJjw5)

92 " Chants of "yes we can" break out briefly before Biden calls for order in the gallery"

Probably all those natural Republicans.

Posted by: TenthJustice at June 27, 2013 11:30 AM (qB8lN)

93 85 @69 F Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 04:28 PM (t06LC) Smart people. Another reason why AOSHQ is award-winning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:30 AM (+98Gb)

94

Don't expect a reach-around Marco.  Not until Boehner gets this bill up in front of the House

Posted by: Chuck U Schumer at June 27, 2013 11:30 AM (Pr6hk)

95
in b4 the blame goes to Rush and Sean Hannity!


Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 11:30 AM (DlaLh)

96 He must have had some bad shit the NSA found in his inbox.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 04:25 PM (t06LC)


This is now my default assumption when I see an alleged conservative do something like this.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (Gkhxf)

97 Lautenberg has been replaced. Christie appointed an uber RINO. I think he voted yes.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (YmPwQ)

98 Joey Bides claimed the vote was 68-32 but isn't that wrong? Did he include his own "vote?" Which would still be wrong- VP only gets a vote in the event of a tie, but it would make his arithmetic work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (/PCJa)

99 Is there anyway the names of the jurors can be leaked because if they can be there will be a lot of bribing/threatening going on to get Zimmerman convicted. It's the Chicago way!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (MWJLy)

100 86 Rubio was just covering Rubio's ass. He can survive any primary from the right and now that he has whored himself out to the illegal crowd he has cover against the left.

He's a senator not a rep from a right leaning district. He wants to be senator more than he wants to do the right thing. Shocking, I know, but it happens a lot in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 04:28 PM (g1DWB)


Conservatives in FL should destroy him by voting D if he wins the primary.

There's no difference , at this point.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (AWmfW)

101 92 " @jeneps Chants of "yes we can" break out briefly before Biden calls for order in the gallery" Probably all those natural Republicans. Posted by: TenthJustice at June 27, 2013 04:30 PM (qB8lN) Sounds better in the original Spanish, er Aztlan, er German. Ja! Ende Sieg!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (+98Gb)

102 It passed.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (qRasw)

103 Sorry; Darn-wrong place.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (MWJLy)

104 The Republicans were poised to sweep the deck in the 2014 elections, and now they are taking a massive shit on their base.

This makes no sense, right? I mean am I missing something?


You know how 'they' tell you you have to vote for McCain or Romney or Christie, etc? They actually believe that you owe the Republicans your vote because they are. not. quite. Democrats.

They really believe they can do this and face no consequences. Because they've been operating on borrowed Benny bucks, they don't think the actual costs involved will ever touch them either.

Posted by: Methos at June 27, 2013 11:31 AM (hO9ad)

105 Yeah.. Rubio showed promise in theory.  he has not panned out as many of us had hoped.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 27, 2013 11:32 AM (f9c2L)

106

@91

 

Yeah that's it. Actually both of them are it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:32 AM (t06LC)

107 Where's this "meatspace" place you folks are talking about? Because I could really use a place where I can just let it hang out.

Posted by: joey biden at June 27, 2013 11:32 AM (9+vDU)

108 Tenth justice -

I'd just LOVE it for someone to turn around and ask these "si se puede" people exactly, what is it that they can do? I get a feeling the answer would be something like "yes we can take anything we want from you, gringo."

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:32 AM (HVOxM)

109 The GOP has a choice: Kick everyone out who voted for the bill or reap the whirl wind. I'm ready to vote stright Dems until a new party replaces the GOP and I'm not the only one.

Posted by: Red at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (7us0J)

110 Chiesa has replaced Lautenberg and voted Yes.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (r5w1L)

111 If any of you really think Boner is going to table this you are delusional.  He has let us down before and will continue to do so.  I have no faith in any of these congresscritters anymore.

Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (u25eL)

112 To be fair to us (and yourself, Ace), I disagree with your assessment that Rubio got an Obama-like pass. Rubio has had some very specific things to say about the nature of conservatism and American ideals that didn't come as close to being as nebulous as 'Hope and Change'.


He still deserves your ire, but don't blame yourself. He lied to your face and you haven't trusted him sense. That tells me that you haven't gotten to the "Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me" stage (nor will you).

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (tWmgi)

113
Time for the I Hate Marco song:

http://tinyurl.com/pftkecd

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (kdS6q)

114 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 31s List of the 14 Republicans voting "Yes" on immigration reform legislatio http://t.co/jbEbPhiijV

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (jjvz+)

115 Has Rubio announced his party switch yet?  He'll have to, if he wants    to keep his senate job.  Of course, he   may have lined up an administration job already.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (UhTsC)

116 I  want  to  see  McCain's  head  tear  itself  off  his  neck  ala  "The  Thing"  and  deploy  six   spindley  legs  and  two  eye  stalks  as  it  scurries  off   into  the  Senate  cloakroom.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (rXcBX)

117 I see some Tweets from ostensibly right-leaning pundits that we are fools for throwing Rubio under the bus "just for this". He has a 95 percent ACU rating, after all.

The 5 perecnt is just about throwing away American sovereignty, no big deal. He'll vote against gay marriage! Or something.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 27, 2013 11:33 AM (YmPwQ)

118

@101

 

Yeah, when the gallery breaks into chanting the slogan of your political enemy after a vote, you probably shouldn't vote for it. Just saying.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (t06LC)

119 108 "yes we can take anything we want from you, gringo." Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 04:32 PM (HVOxM) Great. 30 million Frito Bandito's. And no cron-chee corn cheeeps...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (+98Gb)

120 Bitch McConnell The black hand

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (zOTsN)

121 Rubio was just covering Rubio's ass. He can survive any primary from the right and now that he has whored himself out to the illegal crowd he has cover against the left.

I desperately want to tell you that you're wrong about Rubio being immune from being primaried from the right and that you're a filthy RINO for even considering that position.

Unfortunately, I can't.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (SY2Kh)

122 as it scurries off into the Senate cloakroom.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 27, 2013 04:33 PM (rXcBX)


I approve.

Posted by: John Carpenter at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (tWmgi)

123

America is *this* close to being completely lost...and what are we doing about it?  I really don't understand why we can't seem to organize anything meaningful to protest all this crap that's taking our country away from us.  If we truly love this country and our way of life, why are we sitting around and letting this happen?  There should be a sea of red-blooded conservatives, pitchforks in hand, massing upon Washington DC.

Our RINO leaders and associated squishes do not stand up for our values because they know they have nothing to fear from us - other than calling them bad names on blogs, that is.

Like others here, I'm a nobody.  I have no power to organize anything, but there are higher profile movers and shakers amoung us that can promote the idea of an organized movement to the right people.

Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 11:34 AM (F0WNa)

124 Sunk Cost Fallacy

***

Kinda like the idea that the problem with the GOP is that they are still not moderate enough.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (VlXYw)

125 102 It passed. Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 04:31 PM (qRasw) So did the Republic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (+98Gb)

126 For half a century the mass media has been pushing the idea that working class whites are evil Archie Bunkers, and need to be replaced. The politicians buy it. Archie Bunker is a bigot who is stupid and wrong about everything. He'd be easy to lie to, and it would be moral to do it. So politicians like Rubio are lying.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (/+EhN)

127 Rubio is fine, and he'll be the media darling... until he gets the '16 nomination, then he'll be Hate Incarnate.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (X4HxX)

128 125 102 It passed.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 04:31 PM (qRasw)


So did the Republic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 04:35 PM (+98Gb)


Because Shadows!

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (tWmgi)

129 Governor Christie replaced Lautenberg with his Attorney General, Jeff Chiesa until the special election is held in October.  He was sworn in a few weeks ago.  Despite being a Republican, Chiesa supported the immigration bill, supposedly not under orders from Christie.  Christie told him to vote his conscience, if you believe Politico.

Posted by: cinyc at June 27, 2013 11:35 AM (mgwL5)

130 Now, most of the traitor Republicans can vote against the the final bill, but that dog won't hunt no mo.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (codCi)

131 I thought everyone expected the senate assholes to pass it? I thought everyone expected it to die in the house? Please dont disappoint me...

Posted by: waldo at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (RZwdH)

132 Bitch McConnell *** What did I miss? He voted nay

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (jjvz+)

133 i know the term but can't remember it either. it's something like the Sunk Cost Fallacy. There's some idea in a gambler's head that he need to bet more to "recover" what has been lost, when in reality, that money is already gone, and there is no connection to his next bet.


That's like a freshly-minted MD deciding he needs to charge patients high prices to cover the cost of his expensive education.  The education is a sunk cost that should rationally have no impact on current pricing.  All that matters are current market conditions -- pricing the services in a way that draws the maximum revenue by balancing the quantity of patients and the price.

If you can't pay for your medical degree at this optimal level of revenue, then it just means that you're screwed no matter what you do. Raising prices will only make things worse.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (8ZskC)

134 I'm utterly gobsmacked that Rubio is not backing down from this travesty. He is being incinerated all over the place. His poll numbers are cratering. He's losing massive support. And. He. Simply. Doesn't. Care. THAT is what being & staying bought means!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (ix+5k)

135

@126

 

Wasn't the irony of that show that Archie was always "right" and Meathead wrong?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (t06LC)

136 120 Bitch McConnell The black hand Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 04:34 PM (zOTsN) He really is the villain here. He could have insured that every R voted against it during the cloture vote or threatened o filibuster. He could have killed the fucking beast right there. Is Ashley Judd still available?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (+98Gb)

137 Governor Christie replaced Lautenberg with his Attorney General, Jeff Chiesa until the special election is held in October. He was sworn in a few weeks ago. Despite being a Republican, Chiesa supported the immigration bill, supposedly not under orders from Christie. Christie told him to vote his conscience, if you believe Politico. *** And he promptly voted Aye on this bullshit

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:36 AM (jjvz+)

138 J.J -

Dude, the Republic died 80-90 years ago. What we're watching is the corpse falling apart.

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (HVOxM)

139 America is *this* close to being completely lost...and what are we doing about it? I really don't understand why we can't seem to organize anything meaningful to protest all this crap that's taking our country away from us. If we truly love this country and our way of life, why are we sitting around and letting this happen? There should be a sea of red-blooded conservatives, pitchforks in hand, massing upon Washington DC. Our RINO leaders and associated squishes do not stand up for our values because they know they have nothing to fear from us - other than calling them bad names on blogs, that is. Like others here, I'm a nobody. I have no power to organize anything, but there are higher profile movers and shakers amoung us that can promote the idea of an organized movement to the right people. Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 04:34 PM (F0WNa) Well, first off......we don't seem to have the resources to organize anything with the media, IRS, NSA, CIA, FBI, unions and government workers against us and thwarting our every move...... Makes it a bit difficult.

Posted by: Sponge at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (xmcEQ)

140 If I had a tinfoil hat, I would say that Rubio will switch parties and then run as a Hillary's veep.

Not so nutty, really.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 04:18 PM (+98Gb)

Palin/Cruz v. Hillary/Rubio

Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (Kkt/i)

141 You know how 'they' tell you you have to vote for McCain or Romney or Christie, etc? They actually believe that you owe the Republicans your vote because they are. not. quite. Democrats. This. Republicans do it because they think they can. So far, they've been right. Did I give my "kid growing up" perspective of how Republicans took over Texas? When I was a little kid, Texas was reliably D at the State and Local level. We'd vote in the occasional R Governor, but the Ds held the House for a long, long time. Senate, too, I think. What people started doing was voting in the Democrat primary. My mom was one. I remember every election year, she'd say, "I vote in the Democrat primary, because I want a say in who gets elected. I vote R in the general, because any Republican is better than any Democrat." Slowly that thought (or something like it) became pervasive, and Republicans took over. Then those conservatives who had been voting in the Democrat primary moved back to the Republican primary, and started voting ever-more conservative candidates. Now we have Rick Perry (who's better than many), and Ted Cruz as sort of "the faces" of Texas. Maybe that's what we need to do nationally. Start voting in D primaries. Vote for the least vile D you can. Then vote R in the general. It took at least 20 years in Texas, though (it started before I was even born), and I'm not sure we have that kind of time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (/PCJa)

142 *looks toward wet bar*

Yep.  Still plenty of alcohol.

Suck a bag of dicks McCain, you rotten old bastard.  Hope a Cartel takes up residence in your house in Sedona.  They can make Meggie Mac their sex slave, and you can cook your famous grilled steaks for them.  *gag*

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (lVPtV)

143 In micro-economics, throwing good money after bad is called "The Darian Plunge". Volcanos are referenced.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (r5w1L)

144 132 What did I miss? He voted nay Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 04:36 PM (jjvz+) It's a fig leaf. See my #136.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:37 AM (+98Gb)

145 Yeah that's it. Actually both of them are it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 04:32 PM (t06LC)

 

--------------

 

They're very closely related.  The sunk cost fallacy  was  like in 1995 when I had tickets to the Air Force vs. U of Hawaii football game at the AF  Academy, and the  weather was below zero.  But I still went and  was miserable  because I didn't want to waste the tickets.

 

I think the escalation of commitment bias speaks less to the potential loss of value or costs already incurred, and opens up to other  non-monetary drivers for irrationally  proceeding on a course of action, like pressure from your boss or ego.

 

But what the fuck do I know?  I'm the dick joke guy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (CJjw5)

146
Once again, hoping that Boehner nuts up and lets this thing die. It's not a pleasant feeling to be depending on that.

He couldn't find the nuts to man up if he lived in a pile of squirrel shit.

We're doomed.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (qoQi/)

147 They all suck!

Posted by: CarolT at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (Ttj5v)

148 I'd just LOVE it for someone to turn around and ask these "si se puede" people exactly, what is it that they can do? I get a feeling the answer would be something like "yes we can take anything we want from you, gringo." Well, they can die trying.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (ix+5k)

149 To be fair to us (and yourself, Ace), I disagree with your assessment that Rubio got an Obama-like pass. Rubio has had some very specific things to say about the nature of conservatism and American ideals that didn't come as close to being as nebulous as 'Hope and Change'.

Yeah, I think this was a little unfair on Ace's part.  Obama was transparently being misrepresented as centrist in 2007/2008 and it wasn't at all difficult to find out who he really was.  Rubio, OTOH, presented no evidence of not being genuine until this year.  Even his 2012 RNC speech was great.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (B/VB5)

150 Wait, now who is up on the witness stand now. Suddenly it got easier to view.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (r98SZ)

151 Coochiecoochiecoochie!

Posted by: Charo at June 27, 2013 11:38 AM (96M6e)

152 141 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (/PCJa) I don't care how many Tardisils or slurred speech flubs they make during the primary. If there is any conservative alternative to whomever Rove and the RINO's have running, I will vote for him/her.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:39 AM (+98Gb)

153

America is *this* close to being completely lost...and what are we doing about it? I really don't understand why we can't seem to organize anything meaningful to protest all this crap that's taking our country away from us.


Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 04:34 PM (F0WNa)

-

Because the people that care, who also happen to be the people who pay the bills in this country, have jobs they can't drop to go to a protest.  We can't get government   or union grants to pay us to protest - hell, we can't even create organizations to solicit funds to cover the cost, because the IRS is the militant wing of the democrat party.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 27, 2013 11:39 AM (UhTsC)

154 RE: Trial

That 'witness stand' is much too high.  Get her some pillows to sit on.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 27, 2013 11:39 AM (UypUQ)

155

You know who should get amnesty? All those people waiting in line legally. Just give 'em their cards and swear 'em in tomorrow. Tell the illegals to take a hike. That's a political winner, too.

 

 

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 27, 2013 11:39 AM (r5w1L)

156 if I had any money, I'd donate to the Allen West for Senate campaign...

Posted by: AltonJackson@work at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (9HP5k)

157 Needs moar chocolate reacharound.

Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (Kkt/i)

158 In other news, Obama's peeps are threatening to kill whitey if Zimmerman goes free.  From Twitchy:

http://tinyurl.com/l86kl9r

So we've got that going for us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (lVPtV)

159 >>I desperately want to tell you that you're wrong about Rubio being immune from being primaried from the right and that you're a filthy RINO for even considering that position. >>Unfortunately, I can't. I wish I didn't believe it either. It should have been obvious to us with all the love he got from Jeb Bush that he was a "sensible" Republican and not really what he claimed to be. Just when McCain looks ready to shuffle off to the Old Senators Home his replacement steps up. And if Rubio talks about his bartender dad one more time Ima choke a bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (g1DWB)

160 It's very disappointing. I have, since that first speech, thought for some time that Rubio was a weak and easily pressured man. Posted by: Miss Marple at June 27, 2013 04:17 PM (GoIUi) It seems to be a problem with most people who get sent to Washington. They often become corrupted by that place's baleful influence.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (bb5+k)

161 Oh look....a US citizen who needs a court interpreter.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (X6akg)

162 Maybe that's what we need to do nationally. Start voting in D primaries. Vote for the least vile D you can. Will. Slit. Wrists. Longways. First.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (ix+5k)

163 But what the fuck do I know? I'm the dick joke guy. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 27, 2013 04:38 PM (CJjw5) It's about TIME you learned your role.....

Posted by: Sponge at June 27, 2013 11:40 AM (xmcEQ)

164
[Rubio] Simply. Doesn't. Care.




Gearing up to be President Hillary's ambassador to post-Castro Cuba.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (kdS6q)

165 I keep punching the refresh button, but no cookie, no electrical stimulation to the pleasure center.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS MACHINE

punch..punch..punch...punch...punch...punch..punch..punch...punch...punch

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (1og5i)

166 Hmmm... would being a raging alcoholic really be that bad? *ponders*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 04:17 PM (/PCJa)

 

 

-- It isn't required but certainly helps

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (R8hU8)

167 Wow, even with a translator this testimony is going 3x faster than Ms. Janteal's.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (UypUQ)

168 146 Once again, hoping that Boehner nuts up and lets this thing die. It's not a pleasant feeling to be depending on that. He couldn't find the nuts to man up if he lived in a pile of squirrel shit. We're doomed. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 27, 2013 04:38 PM (qoQi/) If Boehner only realized he would become a fucking hero overnight if he let this die without introducing any other legislation. 2014 would be a bigger win than even 2010. If only, if only...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (+98Gb)

169 12 years, U.S. citizen, doesn't speak English. But has big hooters, so we'll allow it.

Posted by: jakeman at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (96M6e)

170 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 27, 2013 04:41 PM (1og5i) Well, as embigginated threads go, this wasn't bad. But it's still a turn in the barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (/PCJa)

171 LISTEN... In a defining vote for America, Marco Rubio had a choice, to stand with the people who voted him into office, or to stand with Obama, Reid, and Schumer.....HE CHOSE THEM! HE CHOSE TO STAND WITH OBAMA OVER US. That is reality. He chose to stand with the men who call us racists. He chose to stand with the men who have no problem with the government spying on us and attacking us through the IRS. THAT IS MARCO RUBIO, among others.

Posted by: Dan at June 27, 2013 11:41 AM (bxp5Z)

172 I'm going to need to see her remove her top.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 11:42 AM (r98SZ)

173 Hero ..... Forget about it He needs to know he will need employment .

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 11:42 AM (zOTsN)

174 I wish I had more computer skillz.  I'd shop a burnt turkey with a fork through it and send it to Rubio with a caption underneath:  DONE!

Posted by: Soona at June 27, 2013 11:42 AM (vcFsU)

175 Why are they calling this the immigration bill, why not call it the hire newly legal aliens bill and get off the hook on paying for obmacare bill?

Posted by: caustic at June 27, 2013 11:42 AM (/b8+5)

176 Has anybody gone through this massive turd souffle and picked out every rotten piece of corn in it?  Because there have to be a shitton in something that voluminous.  The Cuban Combover and his fellow traitors have to have every one of the hidden surprises rammed down their upper jizz intake holes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (fYOjR)

177 Here's something to make everyone smile: Hollywood is whining that ObamaCare is going to ruin them.  Weasel Zippers link in my name.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (B/VB5)

178 What inspiring or smart thing did Rubio ever do to impress the Horde? Threw out some red meat. That's it.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (X4HxX)

179 140 Palin/Cruz v. Hillary/Rubio Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (Kkt/i) Heh. I could also see a Cruz/Gowdy scenario and be VERY happy with that combo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (+98Gb)

180 I just emailed Rubio: You can no longer count on my vote. If I must live with Democrat policies, then let those policies be passed by the Dems. I can stay at home and achieve the same results, although, should someone primary you, I will most assuredly vote against you. Sincerely, Jonna Flynn Constituent

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (jjvz+)

181 Cashmere!

Posted by: Big Hootered Witness at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (codCi)

182 Cruz was born in Canada. 

Posted by: caustic at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (/b8+5)

183

Has anybody gone through this massive turd souffle and picked out every rotten piece of corn in it? Because there have to be a shitton in something that voluminous. The Cuban Combover and his fellow traitors have to have every one of the hidden surprises rammed down their upper jizz intake holes.


 

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 04:43 PM (fYOjR)

 

---------------------------

 

Careful.  You'll upset the Puerto Rican boy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 27, 2013 11:43 AM (CJjw5)

184 HE CHOSE TO STAND WITH OBAMA OVER US. And that's how you beat Marco Rubio in a primary. As DrewM loves to do, pull out that tweet where Rubio said "An 'earned path to citizenship' is Amnesty'" plaster it on the screen for 30 seconds with Rubio's voice-over explaining how this bill isn't "amnesty" and then a narrator saying this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (/PCJa)

185 When I go to Sedona I'm gonna leave my little post it notes everywhere calling McCain a whore.  Won't affect anything but it will give me a chuckle.

Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (u25eL)

186 Cruz/Gowdy would be great!

Posted by: CarolT at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (Ttj5v)

187 180 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 04:43 PM (jjvz+) Nice letter. Who's Joanna Flynn?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (+98Gb)

188 161 Oh look....a US citizen who needs a court interpreter.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2013 04:40 PM (X6akg)




They didn't have an Ebonics interpreter for Dee Dee?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (lVPtV)

189 12 years, U.S. citizen, doesn't speak English. But has big hooters, so we'll allow it. As long as she learns to pronounce ten dolla fuckey-suckey.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 11:44 AM (ix+5k)

190 Oh look....a US citizen who needs a court interpreter.

Posted by: Tami at June 27, 2013 04:40 PM (X6akg)

**


Court interpreter is definitely a burgeoning career choice especially if this shit passes the House. Going to strongly suggest my wife reconsider it as a job choice. At least we can make some scratch from this POS.



Posted by: dananjcon at June 27, 2013 11:45 AM (jvd3N)

191 Posted by: Dan at June 27, 2013 04:41 PM (bxp5Z) - I hear you. You are telling the truth.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 11:45 AM (/+EhN)

192 It's that or recognize that elections will no longer be a viable way of resolving our differences with the socialists. Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. Posted by: Methos at June 27, 2013 04:23 PM (hO9ad) I think we crossed that Rubicon with Media manipulation of Elections back in 2008. For that matter, the Media manipulated the election in 1992 as well. It was just got far worse in 2008 and since.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 11:46 AM (bb5+k)

193 Has anybody gone through this massive turd souffle and picked out every rotten piece of corn in it? Because there have to be a shitton in something that voluminous. The Cuban Combover and his fellow traitors have to have every one of the hidden surprises rammed down their upper jizz intake holes. Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 04:43 PM (fYOjR) One thing noted by Besty McCoy - this bill is laden with money to groups to 'help' illegals through the process - group that are leftist groups. Just like Obamacare. They are loading up their allies with money to spend. The money granted to these groups will end up in Democrat coffers, just like the Unions.

Posted by: blindside at June 27, 2013 11:46 AM (x7g7t)

194 189 12 years, U.S. citizen, doesn't speak English. But has big hooters, so we'll allow it. As long as she learns to pronounce ten dolla fuckey-suckey. Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 04:44 PM (ix+5k) In 12 years every citizen will have to be proficient in basic SPANISH in order to qualify for anything. I would not doubt that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:46 AM (+98Gb)

195 If this thing becomes law, the concept of English as a Second Language will take on a totally new and ominous meaning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:47 AM (+98Gb)

196

Not entirely surprising. There's a term in business (I forget what its called) but the idea is after you start putting down on a bad bet you keep adding to it thinking you might turn things around. Happens to gamblers too.

 

*****

 

I believe that is called the 'egotistical reaffirmation bias phenomenon'. 

 

 

 

(If not, it should be.)

 

 

Or perhaps just the "Muldoon Effect"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 11:47 AM (mvenn)

197 In 12 years every citizen will have to be proficient in basic SPANISH in order to qualify for anything. I would not doubt that. Does pinche tu' madre count?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 11:47 AM (ix+5k)

198 @193: Yup.  This is the defacto new stimulus with all the pork and handouts to Dem favorites in it.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 11:47 AM (B/VB5)

199 Just tuned into the Zimmerman trial for the first time, just to see the boobies. Haven't seen them yet. But I did see Zimmerman, and I've gotta wonder just how Chaz Bono got mixed up in all this...

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (HVOxM)

200

@196

 

We can just shorten it to "Rubioing" from now on.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (t06LC)

201 118 Jolly Roger, hey Republicans if your vote has the Democrats smiling like Bob from the enzyte commercials you're probably f****** doing it wrong assholes

Posted by: sven10077 at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (joqNl)

202 Gambler's Fallacy: It *has* to hit because it hasn't hit in a while!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (X4HxX)

203 Doubling down,  I believe, is the term y'all are looking for.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (0HooB)

204 I think we crossed that Rubicon with Media manipulation of Elections back in 2008. For that matter, the Media manipulated the election in 1992 as well.


It was just got far worse in 2008 and since.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 04:46 PM (bb5+k)


GOP are actively stopping conservatives too, they dont seem too upset with the IRS thing.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (AWmfW)

205 192 It was just got far worse in 2008 and since. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 04:46 PM (bb5+k) The MFM manipulates the perception. It's the IRS and perhaps NSA that is actually interfering with outcomes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (+98Gb)

206 "Thump of a child falling." Hahahaha!

Posted by: waldo at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (RZwdH)

207 I think someone from the States prosecution team just knocked on doors in Zimmerman's neighborhood looking for MILF's.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (Fz2C7)

208 It's like GOP was part in stopping the Tea party with the IRS. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 04:25 PM (AWmfW) The Tea Party is a threat to big government GOP types as well. I have no doubt large sections of the Republican party have been back stabbing the Tea Party at every opportunity.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 11:48 AM (bb5+k)

209 Until we vote out some of these turncoat turds, they are going to continue to fuck us with out a second thought.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (9Bj8R)

210 but diversity you guys!

Posted by: Guido - "who will see the Mexcian flag carried by illegal at their parade later"' at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (8I9hB)

211 The only thing worse than being wrong is having to admit that you were wrong.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (codCi)

212

160 -

 

Nonsense.  Rubio got to Washinton BECAUSE he was corrupt.

 

He lied about what he believed, in order to get elected.  Washington didn't do that to him. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (TOk1P)

213 If Ace is around *snort* we need a pic of Rubio with "I think I'm going to kill myself."

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (lVPtV)

214 I think someone from the States prosecution team just knocked on doors in Zimmerman's neighborhood looking for MILF's. Well, if you're going to have a show trial, you should at least have something to show, right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 11:49 AM (/PCJa)

215 208 It's like GOP was part in stopping the Tea party with the IRS. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 04:25 PM (AWmfW) Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 04:48 PM (bb5+k) The GOP was well aware of what the IRS was doing as far back as the beginning of 2012. They sat on it. QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:50 AM (+98Gb)

216 How do you say MILF in spanish?

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:50 AM (HVOxM)

217 214 Well, if you're going to have a show trial, you should at least have something to show, right? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 04:49 PM (/PCJa) Okay, I chuckled!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (+98Gb)

218 Nice letter. Who's Joanna Flynn? *** OOPS! I forgot to take that out. It's my name, although I actually use my middle name instead. Everyone in the south uses their middle name.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (jjvz+)

219 I think I miss Diamond Dee Dee.

Posted by: spypeach at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (0n1+D)

220 OMG Jewells if you are going to Sedona you will have to write about McCain's aura.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (Sptt8)

221 216 How do you say MILF in spanish? Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 04:50 PM (HVOxM) FLIM?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (+98Gb)

222

@201

 

Absolutely right Sven, but then again we are way too intelligent to be senators obviously.

 

Most people learn when the guy who really doesn't have your interests at heart is openly smiling and celebrating as you're about to sign the deal, you might want to do a quick reevaluation of how you got there. I think I learned this in kindergarden. By sure I learned it in the second grade trading baseball cards. These guys we have up there though - well, they're special little snowflakes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (t06LC)

223 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 04:43 PM (jjvz+)

Psst. It's the internet. No real names.

Posted by: Methos at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (hO9ad)

224 All the people who were saying you can't vote third party because you have to be practical have been refuted. If supporting the mainstream party leads to this, there is nothing practical about it.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (/+EhN)

225 197 In 12 years every citizen will have to be proficient in basic SPANISH in order to qualify for anything.

I would not doubt that.


Does pinche tu' madre count?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 04:47 PM (ix+5k)


Snowden going to Latin America doesn't seam so stupid now.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (AWmfW)

226 How do you say MILF in spanish?

"Salma Hayek"

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (Kppp9)

227 McConnell vote no? I know he was behind this POS But he's up for reelection next year and would probably vote no. I have some faith in House republicans , Gowdy and others. I'm going to call them because mine suck.

Posted by: CarolT at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (pOhSg)

228 So now that illegals are going to be citizens who is going to do all the jobs that Americans won't do? My lawn isn't going to cut itself ya know.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (g1DWB)

229 I think someone from the States prosecution team just knocked on doors in Zimmerman's neighborhood looking for MILF's. I don't read curseive, whats a MILF

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel [/i] at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (U2UQk)

230 It took at least 20 years in Texas, though (it started before I was even born), and I'm not sure we have that kind of time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (/PCJa)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

No we don't.  As a matter of fact, I think we  ran out of time in the last election.  The Constitution is dead.  The transformation is almost complete.

 

Boehner will cave.

Posted by: Soona at June 27, 2013 11:51 AM (vcFsU)

231 Actually, I think our current approach is kind of a Martingale system. Which eventually ends in disaster.

Posted by: jakeman at June 27, 2013 11:52 AM (96M6e)

232 219 I think I miss Diamond Dee Dee. Posted by: spypeach at June 27, 2013 04:51 PM (0n1+D) So did Don Logan. Dirty Dee Dee and the Tuesday afternoon wank! Famous!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:52 AM (+98Gb)

233 Well, first off......we don't seem to have the resources to organize anything with the media, IRS, NSA, CIA, FBI, unions and government workers against us and thwarting our every move......

Makes it a bit difficult.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (xmcEQ)

 

 

I'm sure some guys a couple hundred years or so ago found themselves in the same position. 

 

And I also understand other's comments about us not having time because of jobs, commitments, being responsible adults, etc..but what's that all going to mean when America is completely upside down?  We will have to say that we stood by and watched as our way of life died, will we not?  Is this not worth a little sacrafice from us if it can be made to happen -  a missed day's work, an airline ticket, a missed ballgame, a hotel bill, a few tanks of gas, or whatever?

Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 11:52 AM (F0WNa)

234 Nonsense. Rubio got to Washinton BECAUSE he was corrupt. He lied about what he believed, in order to get elected. Washington didn't do that to him. ** He is not being used by Schumer. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:52 AM (jjvz+)

235

218 Nice letter. Who's Joanna Flynn? --------

 

I like it...what's your porn name? A friend wants to know.

Posted by: Guido - at June 27, 2013 11:52 AM (8I9hB)

236 227 McConnell vote no? I know he was behind this POS But he's up for reelection next year and would probably vote no. I have some faith in House republicans , Gowdy and others. I'm going to call them because mine suck. Posted by: CarolT at June 27, 2013 04:51 PM (pOhSg) And make sure to tell them not to pass a bill of their own. Let this monster die.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:53 AM (+98Gb)

237 For a woman who claims to be a professional, she sure doesn't dress like one in court. And is she crossed eyed?

Posted by: waldo at June 27, 2013 11:53 AM (RZwdH)

238 Psst. It's the internet. No real names. ** yep. An edit button would be great.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:53 AM (jjvz+)

239 Someone on this blog mentioned yesterday that if this bill passes cheap hitmen will be a dime a dozen.  Just think about the possibilities of using me and cheap hitmen.  Careful what you type morons............

Posted by: PRISM at June 27, 2013 11:53 AM (Aif/5)

240 How do you say MILF in spanish?

"Salma Hayek"


Aye Carumba!

Posted by: B Simpson at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (hO9ad)

241 And is she crossed eyed?[/] Ya don't look at the mantlepiece when you're stokin' the fire, Waldo.

Posted by: jakeman at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (96M6e)

242

@221

 

Madre yo quiero chingar?

 

I don't conjugate well.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (t06LC)

243 barrel

Posted by: jakeman at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (96M6e)

244 @216: "madre yo quiero chingo".  Gets the idea across, although I'm sure I botched the grammar somehow.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (B/VB5)

245



I see now why Rubes was chugging water.

There was something about that asshole...now we know.



Posted by: Rev dr John Boehner at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (qiVwm)

246 239 Someone on this blog mentioned yesterday that if this bill passes cheap hitmen will be a dime a dozen. Just think about the possibilities of using me and cheap hitmen. Careful what you type morons............ Posted by: PRISM at June 27, 2013 04:53 PM (Aif/5) NATURAL REPUBLICAN Cheap Hitmen. Just for the record.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (+98Gb)

247 Conservatives in FL should destroy him by voting D if he wins the primary.There's no difference , at this point. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 27, 2013 04:31 PM (AWmfW) It is exactly what must be done or else none of them will be afraid of us. This is how the NRA does it. "Republicans won't work with us? Fuck you! We'll support a Democrat who will. " I can even suggest a good campaign sign. "Another Republican for the Democrat!" "Fuck you Rubio."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 11:54 AM (bb5+k)

248

If Boehner had any smarts, he would print out all the jobs bills they've sent over to the Senate that Reid has killed, then bind them together into a single document. Put a bow on it. Then call a press conference and tell them that's the bill they're sending over to the Senate, and that jobs for the AMERICAN people are first and foremost on the agenda of House Republicans.

 

Then drop the mic and walk off stage.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (HgwiM)

249 Waldo -

She didn't say what she's professional at...

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (HVOxM)

250

238 Psst. It's the internet. No real names.

 

 

oooops...Guido

Posted by: Guido - at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (8I9hB)

251 Was I too extreme in tweeting to @SenBobCorker and @SenAlexander "Enjoy being primaried, you #ShitWeasels?"

Posted by: Country Singer at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (U22Yw)

252 new post up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (jjvz+)

253 For a woman who claims to be a professional, she sure doesn't dress like one in court. And is she crossed eyed? Posted by: waldo at June 27, 2013 04:53 PM (RZwdH) there's a reason for that

Posted by: spypeach at June 27, 2013 11:55 AM (0n1+D)

254 I used to think that Flan was a Puerto Rican terrorist group.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (+98Gb)

255 Say 'Goodbye' to your leetle Party!

Posted by: Zombie Tony Montana at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (3ZtZW)

256 This is how the NRA does it. "Republicans won't work with us? Fuck you! We'll support a Democrat who will. "

And we know politicians of both parties are scared shitless of the NRA, so adopting their tactics seems smart.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (B/VB5)

257 10 Rubio gave his closing argument in favor of the bill -- I'm utterly gobsmacked that Rubio is not backing down from this travesty. He is being incinerated all over the place. His poll numbers are cratering. He's losing massive support. And. He. Simply. Doesn't. Care. Amazing. Posted by: Lady in Black at June 27, 2013 04:16 PM (ovWeo) It's because he's still got until 2015-2016 before he has to campaign and he thinks he can be like McCain.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (deRF2)

258 One thing noted by Besty McCoy - this bill is laden with money to groups to 'help' illegals through the process - group that are leftist groups.

Just like Obamacare. They are loading up their allies with money to spend. The money granted to these groups will end up in Democrat coffers, just like the Unions.

Posted by: blindside at June 27, 2013 04:46 PM (x7g7t)



I could believe that the original tactic by Reid was to have his fellow donks lard it up with enough shit that nobody in their right mind would vote for it and then accuse the GOP of being meany obstructionists.  I think that's a dumbass strategy but, unlike the Repukes, at least it's a strategy.  Only to find out "Holy shit, those fucking idiots are actually swallowing the whole massive choad".

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (fYOjR)

259

@238

 

Eh, its not like the NSA doesn't know who we are by now anyway.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 27, 2013 11:56 AM (t06LC)

260 From Cash for Clunkers
to Obowma
to Obamacare
to Obamarriage
to Obamagration

you gotta hand it to them..they're getting better and better at this tyranny thing...

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 27, 2013 11:57 AM (EZl54)

261
::exhales in relief::

Thank god, I was starting to worry this wouldn't make it through. Looks like there aren't enough of you old white people to shut down my guy Marco Rubio, the best conservative voice we've had in congress since Elizabeth Holtzman. Its sure to get through the house too because come on guys, this is common sense reform that nobody except for a bunch of lemmings trying to drive off a cliff could oppose.

NOW will you all stop these witch hunts against great conservatives like Marco? Maybe you can all finally come to terms with Latinos? WE'RE NOT THAT SCARY GUYS. If you don't cut it out the GOP tent is going to get smaller than the one in my pants that appears every time Marco goes on TV to school you guys. We're the young and we're not going anywhere guys so better get used to us! LULZ

Posted by: ArferEmLendez at June 27, 2013 11:57 AM (4f/S/)

262 Is this not worth a little sacrafice from us if it can be made to happen - a missed day's work, an airline ticket, a missed ballgame, a hotel bill, a few tanks of gas, or whatever? Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 04:52 PM (F0WNa) That's not what is at stake. What's at stake is the entire annihilation of your life. See re: Paula Deen, who, let us not forget, was an Obamabot of the highest order. Own a business? Say hi to OSHA, EPA, FDA, ATF, IRS, etc etc ad nauseam ad infinitum. When playing against Reavers, you will lose.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 27, 2013 11:58 AM (VtjlW)

263

>>>FLIM?

 

No, that's a custard with caramel.

 

Its actually HABLA so now you know why all the busineeses have those signs up in the windows.

Posted by: Zombie Tony Montana at June 27, 2013 11:59 AM (3ZtZW)

264 Sam 'Ace' Rothstein has some words for Rubio, Ryan, and the rest of their ilk: Listen, if you didn't know you were being scammed you're too fuckin' dumb to keep this job, if you did know, you were in on it. Either way, YOU'RE OUT! Get out. Go on, let's go.

Posted by: RWC aka Wet Grass Whisperer at June 27, 2013 11:59 AM (fWAjv)

265 138 J.J -

Dude, the Republic died 80-90 years ago. What we're watching is the corpse falling apart.

Posted by: WolfinNC at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (HVOxM)


The partial birth abortion of a nation, if you will.

Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at June 27, 2013 11:59 AM (Kkt/i)

266 If you wanted to let the opposition win, what would you do differently than the GOP?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 27, 2013 11:59 AM (QLNHI)

267 So, who still thinks this was a compromise for Rubio?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 27, 2013 12:00 PM (QLNHI)

268 Old Rubio - Serious You Guys!

New Rubio - Aw C'mon You Guys!

Posted by: kbdabear at June 27, 2013 12:00 PM (/9IC1)

269 The fate of Amnesty rests in the orange hands of John Boehner. Feel better now?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 27, 2013 12:01 PM (QLNHI)

270 Big difference between today and 2007, is that the bill did not pass the Senate in 2007. Because of this Rubio, Kirk, Ayotte etc.. will be one termers.

Rubio will not survive a 3 way race in 2016, a prez year with a unified Dem candidate. Yes, their will be a 3 party right winger running in 2016

Posted by: Jackj at June 27, 2013 12:02 PM (KLJRT)

271 Actually Ace, you're both wrong. There are 114 senators in Obama's United 57 States of Amerika.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at June 27, 2013 12:03 PM (dxZgK)

272 Who changed their votes?

And did they think it'd really fool us?

Posted by: GOB Bluth at June 27, 2013 12:03 PM (jPS2y)

273 oops, sock.

Posted by: Gaff at June 27, 2013 12:04 PM (jPS2y)

274 That's not what is at stake. What's at stake is the entire annihilation of your life. See re: Paula Deen, who, let us not forget, was an Obamabot of the highest order.


Own a business? Say hi to OSHA, EPA, FDA, ATF, IRS, etc etc ad nauseam ad infinitum.


When playing against Reavers, you will lose.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 27, 2013 04:58 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

Come on ATC, it's going to be that way no matter what?  Does anyone "own" businesses in communist socialist countries?   So the best thing to do is stay quiet and hope for the best?   Annihilation by any means is still annihilation.

Posted by: Havedash at June 27, 2013 12:06 PM (F0WNa)

275 267 So, who still thinks this was a compromise for Rubio? It's pretty clear Rubio is an amoral twat. The TEA Party's tragic flaw was its idealistic belief that a grassroots movement could reform Washington. It's been snookered by clowns like Rubio who lied to get access to its coffers and attacked by the Washington bureaucracy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 27, 2013 12:06 PM (ZZPs4)

276 272 Who changed their votes? And did they think it'd really fool us? Posted by: GOB Bluth at June 27, 2013 05:03 PM (jPS2y) It was probably one of the senators that didn't vote on the amendment.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 12:06 PM (deRF2)

277 It took at least 20 years in Texas, though (it started before I was even born), and I'm not sure we have that kind of time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 27, 2013 04:37 PM (/PCJa)


Depends on your state's primary rules. 

For example, "In 2003, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held Washington’s blanket primary system unconstitutional on the basis that it violated the political parties’ right of free association. In a blanket primary system, voters are not required to affiliate with a political party and may vote for any candidate on the ballot. The candidate from each political party who receives the most votes in the primary advances to the general election."

Posted by: platija de asalto now using BING and duckduckgo instead of google at June 27, 2013 12:07 PM (Kkt/i)

278 I am starting to think that this never meant to pass the House. Dems wanted to trash Rubio, so he could not run in 2016.

1. Rubio is toast
2. Ran Paul supports Gay Marriage
3. Christie- enough said

Give the left credit, they wiped out the frontrunners, with help from the RINO's

Posted by: Jackj at June 27, 2013 12:08 PM (KLJRT)

279 The Georgia Senators and Wicker of Miss backed off due to Phone calls, Portman too

Posted by: Jackj at June 27, 2013 12:09 PM (KLJRT)

280 And we know politicians of both parties are scared shitless of the NRA, so adopting their tactics seems smart. Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2013 04:56 PM (B/VB5) It is long past the time we should have been adopting Genghis Kahn like tactics. The First thing you have to do is make bastards scared of you, and then you keep them scared.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 27, 2013 12:11 PM (bb5+k)

281 Rubio turned out to be such a piece of shit.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 27, 2013 12:15 PM (Iyg03)

282 OK, we're going to need you to take your top off for the next demonstration...

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 12:21 PM (r98SZ)

283 When playing against Reavers, you will lose. The Reavers aren't here yet. But they are coming.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at June 27, 2013 12:22 PM (zUi7I)

284 274 Come on ATC, it's going to be that way no matter what? Does anyone "own" businesses in communist socialist countries? So the best thing to do is stay quiet and hope for the best? Annihilation by any means is still annihilation. In the long run, which is now coming fast, mass immigration plus forced integration is white genocide. It points to a Haiti-like future. You will not get to pass on your money to your future generations. There won't be any. Your money is a tool that lets you fight for a future, or it's just a way to pay for luxuries in your cell on death row.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 12:30 PM (/+EhN)

285 Ok, is this new woman at the Zimmerman trial REALLY a MILF, or just looks good compared to the Hutt that was on the stand for most of the day?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 27, 2013 12:30 PM (YmPwQ)

286 I'm not knocking anybody for being cautious and prudent. God knows there are real things to be scared of. But there's no future if the anti-white establishment wins.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 12:33 PM (/+EhN)

287 `My name is Hillary, Queen of Kings:
Look on my snootch, ye mighty, and despair!'

Posted by: Ready for Hillary! at June 27, 2013 12:35 PM (qoQi/)

288 Somebody stated earlier, The Senate R's don't want the power and responsibility, so they just go along and put up the good fight for face and get the sweet sweet perks.   Ruling class

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 27, 2013 01:00 PM (5+/Aj)

289

Sooo... the Senate votes to give normal American citizens, a DISADVANTAGE in the Job Market, by giving an advantage to those who already broke the law.

 

They vote to INCREASE legal immigration by about 70%... even at a time of High Unemployment....

 

And they create a two tier Legal System... where Illegals get Amnesty for crimes a US citizen goes to jail for.

 

I'd be more outraged over this... but I found out today that my Government is going to Arm and Train 'forces' in Lebanon... the same forces that tried to Kill me, and did kill hundreds of Marines, 30 years ago...

 

So my outrage meter is already peg'd.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 01:02 PM (lZBBB)

290 Give the left credit, they wiped out the frontrunners, with help from the RINO's

Posted by: Jackj at June 27, 2013 05:08 PM (KLJRT)

 

Another there is

Posted by: Yoda at June 27, 2013 01:03 PM (5+/Aj)

291 MarcObama. You heard it here first

Posted by: Marybeth at June 27, 2013 01:24 PM (N2svL)

292 He really is the villain here. He could have insured that every R voted against it during the cloture vote or threatened o filibuster. He could have killed the fucking beast right there.

Is Ashley Judd still available?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 27, 2013 04:36 PM (+98Gb)


I know I'm late to the thread and it's probably dead already but if JJ or anyone can answer this serious questions I'd be appreciative.

Could McConnell really have done anything about this?  You already had the 4 idiots (Rube, Miss Lindsay, Snowflake, and Snarls) working on this thing and you know if they put any pork in it Morecokeski will come running.  And Collins is about as republican as Castle was.  That's an easy 60 right there.  I think McConnell has been a weak leader too, but the more I look at it the more I think McCain is running the party in the Senate.  If that's true then of course McConnell could have reined him in a long time ago, but I think it's something that he lost control of a while back.  I could be wrong and would welcome thoughts on it...of course I may have to present this in another thread.

Posted by: LT at June 27, 2013 01:42 PM (mX6UJ)

293 Fuck you Rubio, Fuck your mother, Fuck your dog and bag the Apple Annie "I was born a poor Hispanic child" routine.

Posted by: Kim at June 27, 2013 02:35 PM (ICqvM)

294 On GITMO hunger strike: Put them all in a cage and no food for 2 weeks, just water. Then toss in a ham hock. Was it Maggie who said, "They intend to die, and we intend to let them."? Rain threatening again here in CNY. Off to the DMV to register the RV and get it off to the seasonal site.

Posted by: Anthony L. at July 01, 2013 04:16 AM (bl6Iq)

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