January 30, 2012

CBO: Federal Workers Overcompensated By 16%, As Compared to Private Sector Equivalents
— Ace

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1 Obama is a SCOAMT

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:04 PM (iYbLN)

2 You're welcome!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 30, 2012 01:05 PM (ggRof)

3 Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:05 PM (iYbLN)

4 I repeat myself.
I repeat myself.

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:05 PM (iYbLN)

5 The issue, as I see it, is whether we are citizens or subjects.  Obama, SEIU, etc. view us as subjects whose purpose is to serve the government.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2012 01:05 PM (Hx5uv)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 30, 2012 01:05 PM (8y9MW)

7 Obama, SEIU, etc. view us as subjects whose purpose is to serve the government.

At least some of the Republicans agree with them, I think.  Though they may disagree with who we are subject to.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 30, 2012 01:06 PM (8y9MW)

8

I live for the day the unions are busted up.  All of them.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2012 01:11 PM (BAOlz)

9 The cheese is quickly running out. A starving rat is a fierce beast.

Posted by: Cast Iron at January 30, 2012 01:11 PM (EL+OC)

10 I wish I had one of the sweet government jobs.

Wait....then I'd have to bathe and actually show up to work....

nevermind.

Posted by: Occutard at January 30, 2012 01:11 PM (UOM48)

11

Yeah, see....it's things like this that makes us taxpayers pissed off. 

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We're broke. So we're borrowing money to keep these Federal Workers in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. ....And passing the debt on to our grandchildren.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 01:13 PM (UOOK1)

12 It's what, $3.4 billion federal employees owe in back taxes?  Every one who is delinquent should be fired.

Posted by: huerfano at January 30, 2012 01:14 PM (lXi+d)

13 http://tinyurl.com/7m7smsq
As President Obama crafts a reelection income equality message aimed at punishing the rich and rewarding the poor, his own government finds that the 46 million living below the so-called “poverty line” live and spend pretty much like everyone else.

Forget the image of Appalachia or rundown ghettos: A collection of federal household consumption surveys collected by pollster Scott Rasmussen finds that 74 percent of the poor own a car or truck, 70 percent have a VCR, 64 percent have a DVD, 63 percent have cable or satellite, 53 percent have a video game system, 50 percent have a computer, 30 percent have two or more cars and 23 percent use TiVo.

“What the government defines as poverty is vastly different from what most Americans envision,” he writes in his newly released book, “The People’s Money.” Consider other details from two recent Department of Agriculture surveys cited in the book:

--On an average day, just 1 percent of households have someone who is forced to miss a meal.

--On any day, children are hungry in .25 percent of U.S. homes.

--96 percent of poor parents say their children were never hungry during the year because they couldn’t afford food.

--83 percent of the poor said they have enough to eat.

Says Rasmussen, “About 40 million Americans are officially defined as living below the poverty line. Yet most of those have adequate levels of food, shelter, clothing and medical care. Sixty-three percent of American adults believe such a family is not living in poverty,” he writes. “Only 16 percent believe that a family is living in poverty if it has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR, but that’s what the average family living in poverty has as defined by the U.S. government,” he adds.

Rasmussen, who condemns Washington for ignoring the public’s will to run out sky-high deficits, doesn’t mean to criticize households with earnings of $22,314, the 2010 poverty level for a family of four, but finds that the nation believes too much is being spent on welfare.

According to his polling in the new book, 71 percent believe too many are receiving federal welfare benefits and would like to see official measures of poverty tightened to reduce the number of eligible participants.

The president, however, is going the other way and even reviving plans to help homeowners refinance their mortgages, an idea similar to a stimulus-era idea that in part led to the Tea Party movement. Plus, Rasmussen reveals, the administration’s spending on means-tested programs like food stamps, public housing assistance, weatherization spending and others “is slated to continue growing dramatically even after the recession comes to an end.”

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 30, 2012 01:14 PM (ijjAe)

14 >>Obama, SEIU, etc. view us as subjects whose purpose is to serve the government.<<

Somewhere between serfs and livestock, depending on how useful we are at enriching them personally.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 30, 2012 01:14 PM (ZKzrr)

15 Gov Workers used to be the poor sisters of the Middel Class. No longer. Now they are where all the jabs are and the place to be.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 01:14 PM (i6RpT)

16 Jerry Brown is mentally ill.

I thought I would just throw that out there.

What a douche.

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:15 PM (iYbLN)

17 Somewhere between serfs and livestock, depending on how useful we are at enriching them personally.
Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 30, 2012 06:14 PM

Just call us chattel.

Posted by: huerfano at January 30, 2012 01:15 PM (lXi+d)

18 Posted by: Turbotax Timmy Geithner at January 30, 2012 06:14 PM

You aren't invited back anyway.

Posted by: Barry Obama at January 30, 2012 01:16 PM (lXi+d)

19 I see Luap Nor has received the coveted Snoop Dog endorsement.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 01:16 PM (UOM48)

20 >>Scott Rasmussen finds that 74 percent of the poor own a car or truck<<

Don't worry, we'll fix that! 

Posted by: EPA, Cash for Clunkers, CAFE Standards, etc at January 30, 2012 01:17 PM (ZKzrr)

21

This is also known as buying votes.

Posted by: dan-O at January 30, 2012 01:17 PM (sWycd)

22

This is why there should be Term Limits for govt bureaucrats. .....Share the wealth, and all that shit. ....10 years, and you're out. Give someone else a chance on that gravy train.

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I don't begrude a dime that is paid to our Military people, and others who put their lives on the line for us. .....But bureaucrats? Pfft. What makes them so damn entitled over the rest of us.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 01:18 PM (UOOK1)

23 I don't begrude a dime that is paid to our Military people, and others who put their lives on the line for us. .....But bureaucrats? Pfft. What makes them so damn entitled over the rest of us. Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 06:18 PM (UOOK1) And Gov workers earn a shit load more than most people in the Military and are next to impossible to get rid of, while those in the Military have very little job security and especially now a days are being kicked out left and right.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 01:20 PM (i6RpT)

24 This is just one part of the "FUNdamental transformation" with all of it's obvious intentions and statist consequences.

Coincidentally the word communism has been simultaneously broomed from the public vocabulary.


Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 01:22 PM (ZJCDy)

25 Wait one. What does that make us?
Posted by: people who bought a recycled Gov moonbeam

Drooling retards.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at January 30, 2012 01:23 PM (/bVuS)

26 Military pay is based on performance, risk, and promotions. You can die on the job, be fired, or court-marshaled and sent to prison for poor performance, negligence or failure. Almost all other government employees can literally take a shit on their desk and still expect to get a 4% or more raise each year.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 30, 2012 01:23 PM (ijjAe)

27

 I see Luap Nor has received the coveted Snoop Dog endorsement.

 


 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 06:16 PM (UOM4

 

 Interesting. So does that mean that Paul can steal a sizeable amount of black votes away from O'traitor and if that's a yes, can we convince him to run third party?

Posted by: ErikW at January 30, 2012 01:24 PM (VIvRi)

28 I was really high when I said that.

Posted by: Snoop Dog at January 30, 2012 01:25 PM (vRNMy)

29  even after the recession comes to an end.”

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 30, 2012 06:14 PM (ijjAe)

 

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I think what's scary is I don't think the SCOAMT regime considers this a recession.  I'm sure they think this is the "new US economy".  Remember.  Socialism is bringing everyone down to the same level of misery and government dependence.  What we have now is what they've been dreaming about for decades. 

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 01:25 PM (cI2ur)

30 Jane,

I have been eagerly awaiting the Snoop Dog endorsement news.  Thank you for the update.

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:25 PM (iYbLN)

31 I was disappointed to hear that Snoop became a muslim.Seriously,the guy was likeable before I heard that.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 01:26 PM (7W3wI)

32 #31 I think Paul should be put in charge of the Treasury Department. That would lock up a lot of the fringe vote and give the old coot a position to do something about the Fed and the Hollywood accounting going on in the federal government.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston *now with accuracy approved by Blue Hen* at January 30, 2012 01:26 PM (ijjAe)

33 I suspect that this statistic is driven by the type of employees we're talking about.  I am retired DOD Civil Service.  My benefits were pretty much on par with what the private sector was giving in my field (financial analysis) but the pay was about 10 Grand per year less than the privat sector.  I stayed for the stability of the job and because personal reasons kept me in the area.  I DO know know, however, that the clerical and equivalnt positions were paid much higher than their private counterparts.  Same with maintnance and security/fire personnel.  Executive positions are capped at around what a senator might make (always less than what the President makes).  So, given that, I think it's probably the lower end GS 2-9 and Wage Grade personnel that are driving the statistic above.

Posted by: rabidfox at January 30, 2012 01:27 PM (MtZaS)

34 Now if you don't mind, you greed heads, I'd like to raise your taxes.  

Posted by: Obama at January 30, 2012 01:27 PM (O7ksG)

35 Jon Corzine has his penthouse on the market per business insider. 

"The penthouse has 2 bedrooms and 3.5 bathrooms, and views of the Hudson River and Manhattan. It's going for $2.9 million, listed by Halliburton Homes. Corzine purchased the home while he was serving as Democratic Governor of New Jersey in 2008 for $3.64 million, according to Tausche. If the apartment sells, he would be taking a loss of about $800,000."
The link is at the end of the doom thread.  Another one of those rich guys that the dems seem to forget they have.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 01:27 PM (oZfic)

36 I'm reposting this from the Holder thread, because I'm still so angry:

115 O/T Dear Sweet Jesus.

My husband has been interviewing a down-on-his-luck young man at the urging of a physician (and ex-military) friend of ours.

Young guy: Former Marine, two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan. Sank a K-bar in the chest of an insurgent in Iraq.

My husband gets a call from our friend today who said, "You haven't hired_____ have you?"

Husband said no.

Doc friend was getting suspicious of some of the war stories (two Purple Hearts, etc.). Got in touch with a former military friend (and FBI agent) who checked the guy out.

Douche has NEVER served. His whole story is a fucking lie.

He's going to get a surprise tomorrow.

*seething rage*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 01:28 PM (UOM48)

37 Whoa, whoa.  How can Snoop be a Muslim and still do drugs???

And again it bears repeating, Jerry Brown is a fucking moron.

Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:28 PM (iYbLN)

38

Dear Penthouse,

  I never thought I'd be writing this ad...

Posted by: John Corzine at January 30, 2012 01:29 PM (BAOlz)

39 Well, since I have a professional degree AND my CPA, the CBO is saying that as a federal employee I'm 18 percent UNDER paid, per the link. Can I count on all you morons to write your congressman to vote me a pay raise?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 01:29 PM (niZvt)

40 I see Luap Nor has received the coveted Snoop Dog endorsement.
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Now I'm thinking Ron Paul and doggy style in the same sentence.  And it is not pretty.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2012 01:30 PM (Hx5uv)

41 CC

Why of course.......not.


Posted by: mpfs at January 30, 2012 01:30 PM (iYbLN)

42 I would like to know the breakdowns. Most of the time when comparing government with private, they lump tons of job classes together and the results are skewed. I, as a government worker, make 15k less than my county employees, less than the city employees and 20-30k less than the private sector. I am not complaining. It is what I chose to do and I accept that. But I have no union/collective bargaining (thank GOD) and I work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day plus lunch. I work hard and many other government workers do too. many work the system and that is a sad thing.

Posted by: giftogab at January 30, 2012 01:30 PM (SPVfc)

43

36 ...... I think Paul should be put in charge of the Treasury Department.

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Didn't Perry mention that one time at one of the debates? ....I think he did....and got some applause for it.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 01:31 PM (UOOK1)

44 "Government workers" - that's an oxymoron, isn't it?  Good one.

Posted by: Festivus at January 30, 2012 01:32 PM (vRNMy)

45 Watching CNN why don't' they just call it tonight, as they already seem to be, lol.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 01:33 PM (oZfic)

46

OWS folks are mostly gov workers and disgruntled leftists who think someone else owes them. They want something for nothing.

Tea Party, the polar opposite of OWS, simply want to work, take care of their families and be left alone.

Posted by: just the facts at January 30, 2012 01:34 PM (O7ksG)

47 Okay, that's it for the day.

Last minute shilling:  My blog.  New post.  Go.  Read.  Comment.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 30, 2012 01:35 PM (8y9MW)

48 On an average day, just 1 percent of households have someone who is forced to miss a meal.
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And that 1% is due to gross stupidity.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:38 PM (YdQQY)

49 Several American citizens have taken refuge in the U.S. Embassy in Cairo amid a sharpening dispute between Washington and Egypt's military-led authorities over U.S.-funded pro-democracy groups in the country, the State Department said on Monday. "We can confirm that a handful of U.S. citizens have opted to stay in the embassy compound in Cairo while waiting for permission to depart Egypt," State Department spokeswoman Kate Starr said. And we're still giving aid to egypt?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 01:38 PM (i6RpT)

50 Democracy is Two Government employees and a Private Sector taxpayer deciding who's going to pay their salary.

Posted by: Mitt Still Sux at January 30, 2012 01:39 PM (jRFkJ)

51

40.....He's going to get a surprise tomorrow.

*seething rage*

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Seems like this new 'Stolen Valor' law should apply to this....bigtime. ....It's in effect now, isn't it?

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 01:40 PM (UOOK1)

52 In kalifornia if you get a government job you become an instant millionaire with you pension and health care benefits after retirement alone.

Posted by: jukin at January 30, 2012 01:40 PM (5oKRH)

53 Stolen valor is undergoing some court challenges currently if I recall.  Not yet.

Posted by: Festivus at January 30, 2012 01:41 PM (vRNMy)

54 He's going to get a surprise tomorrow.

*seething rage*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 06:28 PM (UOM4

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SCOTUS upheld that law recently.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:41 PM (YdQQY)

55 CBO: Federal Workers Overcompensated By 16%, As Compared to Private Sector Equivalents

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That still assumes that the quality of worker is the same in and out of government. LOL.

Posted by: really ... at January 30, 2012 01:42 PM (X3lox)

56 55 40.....He's going to get a surprise tomorrow.*seething rage*
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Seems like this new 'Stolen Valor' law should apply to this....bigtime. ....It's in effect now, isn't it?



Nope.  And it pisses me off because my husband is going out of his way to hire vets.  Already has several in his company.

The idiot would have been found out anyway, because my husband's company puts everyone through extensive background checks due to the nature of the business.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 01:42 PM (UOM48)

57 Seems like this new 'Stolen Valor' law should apply to this....bigtime. ....It's in effect now, isn't it?

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 06:40 PM (UOOK1)

 

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I thought congress hasn't voted on this yet or have kicked this can down the road.  I know it was in the news a few days ago or Ace mentioned it.  I can't remember. 

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 01:43 PM (cI2ur)

58

53.....And we're still giving aid to egypt?

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Probably. .....China is still listed as a 'developing country', so we are sending them aid too. 

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 01:44 PM (UOOK1)

59

Stolen Valor upheld by 10th Circuit, yes, but arguments are being made at the SCOTUS next month.  It's not quite resolved.

Rumor has it that Kagan is recusing because she is a serial liar about being a woman.

Posted by: Festivus at January 30, 2012 01:44 PM (vRNMy)

60 We're giving lots of aid to Egypt,lots of weapons too.Lots of aid to Pakistan too,still.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 01:45 PM (7W3wI)

61

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 06:45 PM (7W3wI)

 

 

Islamic Republics for ALL my Muslim Brothers!

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 30, 2012 01:47 PM (BAOlz)

62 Lots of aid to Pakistan too,still.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 06:45 PM (7W3wI)


That's pah'-kee-stahn, troglodddditty.

Posted by: King Barky at January 30, 2012 01:47 PM (X3lox)

63 Mr. D'oh came home last week telling me how the guy broke down and told him about his two Purple Hearts, and the PTSD he suffers from having to shove a K-bar in the chest of an insurgent in Iraq. 

Except he told our friend he got his two Purple Hearts in Afghanistan and never served in Iraq.  The fucker's lies caught up to him.

Never served in any branch of the military. 




Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 01:48 PM (UOM48)

64 I'm a DoD employee.....and you guys don't know what the fuck you are talking about.  I manage 27 damn good engineers...that save the taxpayers money every god damn day.  Yeah...if I could fire some of them I would...but only to increase the pay of the other guys.  You think those damn planes just magically fly.  You think they repair themselves.  Have you dumb fucks ever saw what a couple of dumbass sailors can do to a $2 million piece of HW.  It has to be fucking idiot proof and they still manage to fuck with it...their isn't a warranty period to cover POS avionics that is  25 friggin years old and the original mfg (N-G, Boeing, Lockheed Martin) screwed up the configuration so friggin bad that you don't know what the hell you are holding in your hand and then you let 18 year old kids play with it on a hangar deck.  I'll give you one example....we fixed a problem for $250 K...and then handed it over to fuckin Grumman who then proceeded to place a $4 Million cost on it to deploy and it took them three years to do it....Something that would have taken us three more months to do at less than $30 K.   Yep...sometimes the private sector is just so more efficient.  I had one top flight private sector engineer tell me that the difference between a + 65 V and a -45 V was 20 V....in a mtg in front of his management...and they promoted the dumb fuck!

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 01:48 PM (K3X3O)

65 .....And we're still giving aid to egypt?
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Probably. .....China is still listed as a 'developing country', so we are sending them aid too.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 06:44 PM (UOOK1)

 

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I'm sure glad all those countries are still our friends, or we'd be screwing the pooch or something.

Posted by: Average democrat at January 30, 2012 01:49 PM (cI2ur)

66 Stolen Valor Act - 9th court struck it down. 10th District court struck it down. 10th district appeals reversed the district court.  Supreme Court has already agreed to here case, but hasn't heard it yet.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:51 PM (YdQQY)

67 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:48 PM (K3X3O) I don't think most people here were directing their fire at DOD employees.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 01:51 PM (i6RpT)

68 But meanwhile,it is STILL a valid law.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:51 PM (YdQQY)

69 But, its a federal law so DOJ has jurisdiction.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:52 PM (YdQQY)

70

 I had one top flight private sector engineer tell me that the difference between a + 65 V and a -45 V was 20 V....in a mtg in front of his management...and they promoted the dumb fuck!

 

In my defense, he was in combat fatigues and I was intimidated.

Posted by: Elaine Benes at January 30, 2012 01:52 PM (BAOlz)

71 Hopefully Romney can bring that down to 14%

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 01:52 PM (N/1Dm)

72 Hopefully Romney can bring that down to 14%

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 06:52 PM (N/1Dm)

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Heh.

Posted by: really ... at January 30, 2012 01:53 PM (X3lox)

73 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:48 PM (K3X3O)

What is incorrect in the article about the CBO?

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 01:54 PM (Lpgtj)

74 71 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:48 PM (K3X3O)

I don't think most people here were directing their fire at DOD employees.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 06:51 PM (i6RpT) ]/i]

 

Yeah but don't worry those are the only federal employees that Obama would like to downsize and cut pay on.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 01:54 PM (GULKT)

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 01:55 PM (Lpgtj)

76
The Federal Govt:  Now boning you 16% more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2012 01:55 PM (XrrP7)

77 I don't think most people here were directing their fire at DOD employees.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 06:51 PM (i6RpT)

 

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Yeah, not DoD.  Whenever I think of "government worker", I think either DMV or the person sitting at a desk in the DHS office showing pictures of their grandchildren and bragging about how much welfare those kids are getting.

Posted by: Average democrat at January 30, 2012 01:57 PM (cI2ur)

78 Anyone ever watch House Hunters International? It's full of Govt. retirees in their 40's moving overseas to live Therese of their life.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 30, 2012 01:57 PM (2YIVk)

79 Fuck me running.  Every time I refresh, SCOAMF appears at the top of the page. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 01:57 PM (UOM48)

80 You think they repair themselves. Have you dumb fucks ever saw what a couple of dumbass sailors can do to a $2 million piece of HW.
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It was my experience in the NAVY that we sailors had to fix everything the dumb-ass civilians in the yards touched once we got back out at sea.

Once watched a yard welder welding up a fire hose real backwards. Asked him why he was welding it in backwards. He informed me if I said another word to him he would walk off the job and file a complaint.

Went to CO and explained. He looked at it and said yeah its in backwards, nothing we can do. Union labor issue. We had to take it down and fix it.

So you can take your dumb ass sailor comment and shove it up your stupid ass.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 01:58 PM (YdQQY)

81 Convergent sock off.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 01:58 PM (cI2ur)

82 These results are obviously fake - private industry doesn't hire catatonic people.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2012 01:59 PM (M8oc1)

83 84 vic AMEN!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 01:59 PM (Ho2rs)

84 Hi phoenixgirl!

Still enjoying your NYC apartment-sized closet? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 02:02 PM (UOM48)

85 A majority of civilian DOD workers I have met are all ex Military

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 02:02 PM (i6RpT)

86 So you can take your dumb ass sailor comment and shove it up your stupid ass.

No, Vic, Drive-by Troll is right. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Now shut up, because.

Government worker, oxymoron.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 02:02 PM (Lpgtj)

87 tell me that the difference between a + 65 V and a -45 V was 20 V.

(math joke) This is true...for very large values of "1" 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2012 02:03 PM (M8oc1)

88 And Gov workers earn a shit load more than most people in the Military and are next to impossible to get rid of, while those in the Military have very little job security and especially now a days are being kicked out left and right.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 30, 2012 06:20 PM (i6RpT)

Really?  Let's compare a GS5 with a married E4.

Married GS5 in Washington, DC base salary at Step 5 in the middle of his/her career:  $38, 616 with locality bonus.  That includes 5 years of government service to get to the Step 5 level.

E4 married with dependents over 4 years of service.  Base Pay:  $2,326 monthly.  BAH with dependents in Wash DC:  $1,902 a month.  Basic allowance for subsitance:  $384 monthly.  Total pay and allowances for the military member are $4,612 a month for a total of $55,344 annual. 

That is a total of $16,728 more the junior military member makes in the Washington DC area over the typical GS5 equivlant employee.  And yes I picked the DC area to infalte the GS employee salary.  A single E4 makes about $5,688 in BAH less anually.

Did 22 years in the Navy.  People really need to look at all of the pay charts before they make outrageous statements.

 

Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 30, 2012 02:03 PM (NNrYJ)

89 The Federal Govt: Now boning you 16% more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2012 06:55 PM (XrrP7)

 

I like the boning.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 30, 2012 02:03 PM (vRNMy)

90 Since WHEN are federal workers overcompensated?  Since 1956?

How many GOPers have offered compensation cuts as president?   Jimmy Carter actually killed federal unions from bargaining in his Civil Service Act.

What did the Bushpigs do?

Posted by: Clarence at January 30, 2012 02:04 PM (z0HdK)

91

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 06:58 PM (YdQQY)

 

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Were these DoD personnel or were they the union shipbuilders.  There's a difference.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 02:05 PM (cI2ur)

92 BUUUUUUUUUUUSHHH!!!

Posted by: Clearance the one-note fuckknob at January 30, 2012 02:06 PM (QTe14)

93 Never served in any branch of the military.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

When I was doing my medical training years ago, we frequently caught young men in lies about their 'Viet Nam service.'  Even in the VA itself.  Some would be the types who were kicked out of the military after brief completely state-side service.  In our university hospital, they would often be unemployed hippy-types who were trying to work the system.  ("I do drugs/have chronic pain med needs because of my PTSD/injuries from Viet Nam.") 

So many of them were way too young to have ever served there.  Simple math revealed the lie.  You'd be surprised how often a doc didn't do that simple math but just took them at their word.  Somewhat like Dan Rather.

When the psychiatry department at the VA did a big study on Viet Nam vets and found that they were, as a group, better adjusted, less likely to be unemployed or have major problems with the law than their non-serving peers, people tried to cry foul.  After all, Dan Blather says they are messed up . . .so they must really be messed up, right?

The motivation of the Psychiatry department, however, would have biased them toward finding problems, not against it.  They get to expand their budgets if they find that Nam vets are crazy.  

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 02:06 PM (57YDo)

94 37 Posted by: rabidfox at January 30, 2012 06:27 PM (MtZaS)
46 Posted by: giftogab at January 30, 2012 06:30 PM (SPVfc)
68 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:48 PM (K3X3O)

I resemble these statements (minus the vitriol).  I certainly make less in gubmint than I would (and, in the past, have) in the equivalent private sector job.  I am frankly terrified of the prospect of experiencing extended unemployment a second time in this life.  So, I've decided that the stability/pay trade-off is worth it given the current state of the economy (doomed).  Perhaps it's because I'm a relatively new goon that I'm by no means receiving a free ride.


All of that said, the engineering-to-management ratio is absurdly low and THAT could use some serious repair.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket: tax-paying DoD drone at January 30, 2012 02:06 PM (YPt/x)

95 What did the Bushpigs do?

We eat roots, small rodents and scare the hell out of humans.

Posted by: Bushpig at January 30, 2012 02:06 PM (Lpgtj)

96 Is anyone else terrified by the fact that Budahmon is employed by the DoD? Managing engineers! And Clarence, for the last time, get your toys back on the carpet.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 30, 2012 02:06 PM (uW1Ke)

97 Jimmy Carter actually killed federal unions from bargaining in his Civil Service Act.

What did the Bushpigs do?

Posted by: Clarence at January 30, 2012 07:04 PM (z0HdK)

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You are full of shit. JFK is the one who allowed unions for government workers via executive order. The Dem congress shortly after the order made it a public law. It has been in place ever since.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 02:07 PM (YdQQY)

98 Were these DoD personnel or were they the union shipbuilders. There's a difference.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 07:05 PM (cI2ur)

---------------


These were union shipyard workers in CA.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 02:08 PM (YdQQY)

99  These results are obviously fake - private industry doesn't hire catatonic people.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2012 06:59 PM (M8oc1)

LOL. Exactly!  There's no way to compare with private sector employees, because we wouldn't hire most of these lazy, self-important asshats in the private enterprise world.  Not without a major attitude adjustment, anyway.

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 02:09 PM (57YDo)

100 Lemme hear you squeal, Clarence.

Posted by: Bushpig at January 30, 2012 02:10 PM (Lpgtj)

101
Once watched a yard welder welding up a fire hose real [SIC] backwards. Asked him why he was welding it in backwards.

Silly sailor! That's for fighting fires on the poop deck.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 02:11 PM (7+pP9)

102 <i> i am the ultimate washington outsider <i>

Posted by: Newt! at January 30, 2012 02:11 PM (9dpqk)

103 <i> test

Posted by: Newt! at January 30, 2012 02:13 PM (9dpqk)

104 Okay, this "FingerHut" company? They really should have consulted with me before they went with that name.

I've been using that name for something else since one afternoon in 1995 when it came to me in a riff I was doing during a lunch at PizzaHut.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 02:13 PM (N/1Dm)

105 Panties too, Clarence. Take'em right off.

Posted by: Bushpig Farmer at January 30, 2012 02:14 PM (uW1Ke)

106

Clarence tried to mate with me the other day, but I have standards so I sent him off to hump a pile of underbrush.

That seemed to make him happy enough.

Posted by: Bushpig at January 30, 2012 02:15 PM (HzhBE)

107 <i> test

Posted by: Newt! at January 30, 2012 07:13 PM (9dpqk)


DERP! DERP! DERP!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 02:16 PM (+Jr2Z)

108

 Okay, this "FingerHut" company? They really should have consulted with me before they went with that name.

 

--------------------------------------

 

I thought that's what Brady does to his center.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 02:16 PM (cI2ur)

109 Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 07:16 PM (cI2ur)

That's the founding family's name.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 02:18 PM (oZfic)

110 self-important asshats

In government??

The Deuce, you say! Bhudda's Mom would like a word with you.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 02:19 PM (Lpgtj)

111 A lot of things are named after their creators.  Like the thing John Reacharound invented.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 02:22 PM (I2LwF)

112

Generals gathered in their MASSEEEEEES!

 

Just like witches at black masseeeeeees!

 

Evil minds that plot destrukSHUUUUUUN!

 

Sorceror's of death's construkshuuuuuun.

 

In the field's the bodies burNEEEEEEEEENG!

 

As the war machine keeps turneeeeeeeng.

 

Death and hatred to mankIIIIIIIIIIIND!

 

Poisoning their brainwashed miiiiiiinds!

 

OH LORD YEAH!

 

 

Posted by: Clarence! at January 30, 2012 02:25 PM (VIvRi)

113 A lot of things are named after their creators. Like the thing John Reacharound invented.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 07:22 PM (I2LwF)

 

Or cities.  Like Cleveland.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 02:25 PM (cI2ur)

114 <i> i am the ultimate washington outsider <i>

Posted by: Newt! at January 30, 2012 07:11 PM (9dpqk)


The HTML-foo is weak with this one.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 02:26 PM (QKKT0)

115 1 more perk that "most" of the fed employees get now, thanks to Odumbass...telecommuting is now a law. So, in the instances I am familiar with, the gov. workers only work 9 days in a pay period. The other day is spent logging in at home then whatever. Again, it's where I am that I speak, but there is NO supervision of the program.

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at January 30, 2012 02:27 PM (QnL8x)

116 Wanna see a booger?

Posted by: Clarence the Crosseyed OWSer at January 30, 2012 02:27 PM (d0Tfm)

117 Newt, Use brackets [] not .

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 02:27 PM (j+Izh)

118 Actually, I view you all as more like lifetime indentured servants.


Posted by: Barky O at January 30, 2012 02:27 PM (i3+c5)

119 Kudlow is off the reservation.  He announced it's wrapped up and romney is going to "win by a landslide".  I wonder how the Florida voters feel when they hear that?  Do they not bother to vote or do they get really really pissed.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 02:29 PM (oZfic)

120 Some of our municipal employees in California may have been getting a little too much, too:

http://tinyurl.com/7scunlr

Generating no little mirth o'er on the HAMB:

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=666515

Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2012 02:30 PM (o+SC1)

121 That includes 5 years of government serviceto get to the Step 5 level.

If you are still in a GS5 job with 5 years of experience you didn't apply for something better.


A GS5 is one year relevant experience, if you have 5 years in field and have not moved on you are sitting on your laurels. You might as well compare a seamen who never takes the E4 exam. In the Navy they throw you to the curb for that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 30, 2012 02:30 PM (0q2P7)

122 This "Budahmon" sounds like a reasonable amiable sort.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2012 02:31 PM (QTe14)

123

fluffy ....What's incorrect.  Hell...let's start with salary.  The entry level salary for Federal Engineers is quite low compared to private and getting wider every year.  For top level talent it's ~$25K at this moment in time....(personal experience over having an aging workforce and having to recruit talent over the past few years).  That difference decreases with time as long as you are working level, but as you rise within the different organizations that difference will increase.  I know that I make a hell of a lot less than my counterparts in private industry.  I also know that when the budget gets tight we don't replace, we just do more with what we have.....I have personnel doing the jobs of two to three people.  In private industry you hire and then you layoff when things get tough and then rehire when they get better (usually younger employees that are not as expensive as the older).  In Government (cutting the defense budget) you don't layoff, but when people retire or move you can't fill that position, yet the work still has to be performed, with no OT nor an increase in salary, although you can provide a bonus.

Benefits....don't even get me started on benefits.  I bet your employer offers you a better benefit package, you pay less and get more services.  Comparing benefits is apples to oranges.  FEDS typically pay ~33% of their premium for Health Care, with no Dental nor Vision (good Vision).  The only thing FERS personnel are getting which might very well skew the study is the TSP (401 K)...its a pretty good deal because we still get matching for up to 5% of salary.

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 02:31 PM (K3X3O)

124 What an interesting game romney is playing.  He's got people on CNN saying it's over, he's got Kudlow in his pocket and now he has drudge out there asking if there will be another upset.  Guess they figure that will discourage the Newt voters from even bothering tomorrow cause either he can't win or he's got it all sewn up.

I hope Floridians are smart enough to remember Santorum and to vote for who they think in their heart of hearts is the best candidate.  Be it Newt or Rick.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 02:31 PM (oZfic)

125
I wonder how the Florida voters feel when they hear that? Do they not bother to vote or do they get really really pissed.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 07:29 PM (oZfic)


They clean the fucking litter box.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 02:32 PM (7+pP9)

126 or ron paul or romney

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 02:32 PM (oZfic)

127 Personally, I liked the university government . They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

Posted by: Ray Stantz at January 30, 2012 02:33 PM (4q5tP)

128 i am the ultimate washington outsider Posted by: Newt! at January 30, 2012 07:11 PM (9dpqk) ------ Ugh

Posted by: Ulsterman at January 30, 2012 02:34 PM (sJKFk)

129 So are we going to pretend that all the private aerospace engineers, managers, workers, etc. are inferior to the people at the DoD?  Tell you what Budahmon, go get a job in the private sector where the success of the business is is vital to the shareholders and employees and report back on what a horrible job they do compared to the DoD. A place where there isn't any accountability or worry's about the bottom line.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 02:34 PM (GZitp)

130 telecommuting is now a law. So, in the instances I am familiar with, the gov. workers only work 9 days in a pay period. The other day is spent logging in at home then whatever.

No need to log in! These are government workers, nothing is urgent, no one ever checks. My friend is an IT Specialist with the IRS and she doesn't even log in on her day "working" from home.

Posted by: jeannebodine, Team Meteor-Bot at January 30, 2012 02:35 PM (byR8d)

131

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 07:29 PM (oZfic)

 

Go away cat piss.  I'm sure your "friends" are waiting for you to get back under that table and "serve them lasagna" while you listen to them so you know what to think.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 02:35 PM (GULKT)

132 Florida is the epitome of what this primary has become and what it will remain to be. 

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 02:36 PM (cI2ur)

133 I feel bad for Santorum.  With catpiss curious endorsing him he's done.  Just like Bachmann and Cain before him.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 02:38 PM (GULKT)

134
If you are still in a GS5 job with 5 years of experience you didn't apply for something better.


A GS5 is one year relevant experience, if you have 5 years in field and have not moved on you are sitting on your laurels


I summer interned during college as a GS-4 for two years during the Reagan administration.

How fucking hard can it be to get beyond a GS-5?

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 02:39 PM (7+pP9)

135 Uh-oh I started referring to my "friends".

Posted by: jeannebodine, Team Meteor-Bot at January 30, 2012 02:39 PM (byR8d)

136 Forget It All In Florida!

Posted by: Florida Bureau of Tourism and Trade at January 30, 2012 02:40 PM (j+Izh)

137 Bush? More like SENDER. The ultimate evil.

Posted by: Stanley Stupid at January 30, 2012 02:40 PM (z0HdK)

138 Wonder if the MFM will declare Romney before the FL panhandle has finished voting?  Good times, good times!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 02:41 PM (i3+c5)

139 I can feel the vibration in the RomneySphere as it tries to figure out how to make Soros' comments and the Goldman Sachs donations sound not so bad.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 02:41 PM (N/1Dm)

140 141 Umm,we know Bush was a big government guy dickwipe.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 02:43 PM (7W3wI)

141 Did I somehow wander into the wrong blog? The Bush Fan Club blog?

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 02:43 PM (j+Izh)

142 Posted by: Clarence at January 30, 2012 07:40 PM (z0HdK)

Clarence, you fuck up my boxwood hedge again like you did last week and your ass is fired.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 02:43 PM (QKKT0)

143 143 I can feel the vibration in the RomneySphere as it tries to figure out how to make Soros' comments and the Goldman Sachs donations sound not so bad. Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 07:41 PM (N/1Dm) Don't Worry, Be Happy! In Six Months, the Left will assure you Mitt is the Devil Incarnate.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 02:44 PM (niZvt)

144  I can feel the vibration in the RomneySphere as it tries to figure out how to make Soros' comments and the Goldman Sachs donations sound not so bad.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 07:41 PM (N/1Dm)

 

 

Are you and Newt getting your political advice from George Soros now? Interesting. Oh and we don't want those evil banksters contributing to our candidates do we? We are the 99%!!!!!

Posted by: robtr at January 30, 2012 02:44 PM (MtwBb)

145 Pilot to Toilet Tower! Pilot to Toilet Tower!

Coming in for an emergency landing, over~!

This is the Tower! You have Clarence, Clareeence!

And we have poopdown!1! YAAAAY~!

Posted by: Clareeeence at January 30, 2012 02:45 PM (+Jr2Z)

146
Medicare? Embiggened it!
Dept of Education? NCLB and bigger!
Deficits? Bigger and huge!
TSA.DHS? BiGGER than fuck!
Federal Housing? BIGGER THAN HELL!
wars/Defense? Bigger and bigger

Bush = Big Gov HELL.

Posted by: Clarence at January 30, 2012 07:40 PM (z0HdK)


You gotta valid point there Clarence The Klown.

W. let Democrats run all of that shit.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 02:45 PM (7+pP9)

147 retirees in their 40's moving overseas to live Therese of their life.

I think we have an auto correct.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 30, 2012 02:45 PM (sHY5w)

148

"So you can take your dumb ass sailor comment and shove it up your stupid ass."

 

Vic....learn to read.   I'll stand by my comment considering your reading comprehension.

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 02:46 PM (K3X3O)

149 135 Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 07:29 PM (oZfic) Go away cat piss. I'm sure your "friends" are waiting for you to get back under that table and "serve them lasagna" while you listen to them so you know what to think. Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 07:35 PM (GULKT) Should I look that up in Urban Dictionary, buzz?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 02:46 PM (niZvt)

150 Bush = Big Gov HELL.

Good point. To bad you won't be running against him huh Clarence. Also to bad you won't be running with Clinton. Instead you've got the guy whose figured out not only how to keep the worlds most powerful economy over 10% underemployed, but how to triple deficits that he himself called irresponsible only a few years earlier. At least WE don't have to run THAT guy. 

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 30, 2012 02:47 PM (0q2P7)

151 watch it ,Bush was my first republican vote. well Bush second term. I'm still ok with it.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:47 PM (TomZ9)

152 In Six Months, the Left will assure you Mitt is the Devil Incarnate.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:44 PM (niZvt)

Well, he pretty much is.

Posted by: ErikW at January 30, 2012 02:47 PM (VIvRi)

153 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:44 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: robtr at January 30, 2012 07:44 PM (MtwBb)



Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking about the parts of the RomneySphere that aren't brainless hacks.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 02:47 PM (N/1Dm)

154 Should I look that up in Urban Dictionary, buzz?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:46 PM (niZvt)


May I offer you a big glass of refreshing Donkey Punch with that lasagna?

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 02:48 PM (QKKT0)

155 kerry in 2004, or omg Dean, whatever, Bush actually like this country.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:49 PM (TomZ9)

156 That's what you call a classic setup.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 02:49 PM (N/1Dm)

157  watch it ,Bush was my first republican vote. well Bush second term. I'm still ok with it.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 07:47 PM (TomZ9)

Mine too.

And my first vote in a midterm was for Governor Schwarzenneger.

To say I envy my parents for having the ability to vote for Reagan TWICE is a serious understatement.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2012 02:49 PM (8539Z)

158

Should I look that up in Urban Dictionary, buzz?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:46 PM (niZvt)

 

 

If you want.  I have no clue if its in there.  The troll likes to claim that the reason it always posts from the exact same hash no matter where it claims to be is because she makes her soopersmrt MIT friends lasagna.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 02:49 PM (GULKT)

159 Reagan was my first.  You never get over your first.  I love me some Ronnie.

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 02:50 PM (P6QsQ)

160 160 comments on a two hour old thread, huh? 

I have a bad feeling about things here.  It sort of feels like ace is killing his own blog. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 02:50 PM (5H6zj)

161 Cac, He had his moments, still I'm thrilled we had a President that actually cared for ALL its citizens on 9-11, changed me forever..

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:51 PM (TomZ9)

162 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 07:31 PM (K3X3O)

You made it abundantly clear in your first post that you are a government employee. You were extremely rude, and to borrow someone elses phrasing, a self-important asshat.

I asked you a specific question and you all but ignored it. Typical for a government employee.

With you being you so good at what you do, go out and tear up the private sector. You'll strike it rich, shortly after you get over yourself.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 02:51 PM (Lpgtj)

163 157 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:44 PM (niZvt) Posted by: robtr at January 30, 2012 07:44 PM (MtwBb) Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking about the parts of the RomneySphere that aren't brainless hacks. Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 07:47 PM (N/1Dm) What sort of hack are you?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 02:51 PM (niZvt)

164 Willow must be Asian

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 02:52 PM (I2LwF)

165 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 07:46 PM (K3X3O)
-----------------------------

Fuck you troll, get lost you are not welcome here.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 02:52 PM (YdQQY)

166 y-not, He put up tons yesterday, He's likely exhausted. or found a cuter chick than us , or drank himself to sleep, or just is sitting back laughing at us.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:53 PM (TomZ9)

167 I'm amazed they actually found a control group. How many private sector workers get lifetime appointments making other people fill out forms?

Posted by: iowahawk at January 30, 2012 02:53 PM (veL4N)

168 this is traditionally a slow part of the day, posting-wise

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 02:53 PM (I2LwF)

169 Vic....learn to read. I'll stand by my comment considering your reading comprehension.

Bhudda's Mom, you sure you aren't at the DMV?

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 02:53 PM (Lpgtj)

170 O/T via Twitter: Slublog has found a candidate to endorse.
http://twitpic.com/8drsfn

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 02:54 PM (5H6zj)

171 Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking about the parts of the RomneySphere that aren't brainless hacks.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 07:47 PM (N/1Dm)

 

You're right, it takes a real smart feller like you or Newt to hang on George Soros every word. He also said in the same interveiw that he was for nationalizing the banks. When will Newt come out with that policy?

Posted by: robtr at January 30, 2012 02:54 PM (MtwBb)

172 Ron Paul is on Kudlow.  Looks like he got a stylist.  We are all commenting that his suit is a nice dark suit that fits him and doesn't look like he forgot to remove the hanger before he put it on.  And, he has new eyebrows and a new haircut!

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 02:54 PM (oZfic)

173 Speaking of donke punch, I hear the Donkey Semen Drinking episode of Fear Factor won't air after all. So some jackasses committed oral beastiality for no reason at all. Assholes.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 02:54 PM (niZvt)

174 133 So are we going to pretend that all the private aerospace engineers, managers, workers, etc. are inferior to the people at the DoD?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 07:34 PM (GZitp)


I certainly wouldn't.  And, though I realize that you're not directing that at me, perhaps my perspective is unique in that I've worked both sides of the private aerospace/government aisle.  I've certainly seen more than enough evidence of brain-damage by management from both camps in my lifetime.  I've, too, have seen a hell of a lot of determination and hard work on the part of the engineering and support staff within both.


Eh, time for another beer.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 30, 2012 02:55 PM (YPt/x)

175 *waves excitedly*

Hi Iowahawk!

*tosses virtual panties*

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 02:55 PM (5H6zj)

176 170 y-not, He put up tons yesterday, He's likely exhausted. or found a cuter chick than us , or drank himself to sleep, or just is sitting back laughing at us. Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 07:53 PM (TomZ9) Now, now... What chick could POSSIBLY be cuter than you gals?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 02:56 PM (niZvt)

177 So some jackasses committed oral beastiality for no reason at all. Assholes.

They didn't have to drink it right out of the spout, did they?  'Cause I'd pay to see that.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 02:56 PM (QKKT0)

178

When I worked in the public sector, we ate a lot of popcorn, played Photoshop jokes on each other, had barbecues, and downloaded illegal movies. 

 

I think there was some phone answering in there, too...

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 02:56 PM (I2LwF)

179 177 Speaking of donke punch, I hear the Donkey Semen Drinking episode of Fear Factor won't air after all.

So some jackasses committed oral beastiality for no reason at all. Assholes.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 07:54 PM (niZvt)

 

 

They need to make up their minds on that.  Its been off and on several times.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 02:57 PM (GULKT)

180 Ace does work manically, or maybe it just seems that way from the posting frequency. It'd be nice if he dolled them out like Insty.

I guess that would require putting down some money for a format though, and maybe it would change the, er, personal feel of the blog.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 02:57 PM (N/1Dm)

181 toss's Mine in the ring.
fluffs hair.
tries a new lip gloss.
fluffs hair.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:57 PM (TomZ9)

182 mama winger he was my first too.........sigh

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 02:58 PM (Ho2rs)

183 Now, now... What chick could POSSIBLY be cuter than you gals? Posted by: CoolCzech

true, oh so true.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 02:58 PM (TomZ9)

184  Cac, He had his moments, still I'm thrilled we had a President that actually cared for ALL its citizens on 9-11, changed me forever..

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 07:51 PM (TomZ9)

My fiancee was more of a Democrat at the time and voted for Kerry. Still, she looks back and says two things about the guy:

a) He made a decision, even if it was the wrong one, and didn't need to constantly ask others and water down his eventual choice.

b) He actually gave a damn.

I will give Obama credit for one thing- he has turned my far better and more tanned half into a virulant conservative. She was still a Hillary backer in 08, never forgave her party for their behavior in exhaulting a nobody like Barack, voted Libertarian in 2008, continued souring on every leftist position throughout 2009, and changed parties in '10, voting near-straight-ticket R in 2010. She actively vouched for Fiorina and Whitman, and groans at the sound of Jerry Brown's voice.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2012 02:58 PM (8539Z)

185 @185
*antes up bright pink bra*

*applies perfume*

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 02:58 PM (5H6zj)

186  y-not, He put up tons yesterday, He's likely exhausted. or found a cuter chick than us , or drank himself to sleep, or just is sitting back laughing at us.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 07:53 PM (TomZ9)

 

--------------------------------

 

If he's sitting back, I don't think he's laughing.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 02:59 PM (cI2ur)

187

I will give Obama credit for one thing- he has turned my far better and more tanned half into a virulant conservative.

 

mmmm tanned chicks

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 02:59 PM (I2LwF)

188 How many private sector workers get lifetime appointments making other people fill out forms?

Pages 1-5 of the training manual:

1. Sorry
2. That's
3. Not
4. My
5. Department

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 30, 2012 03:00 PM (vbh31)

189 Ace does work manically

The rush of adrenaline from a fresh hobo kill only lasts so long ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2012 03:00 PM (QTe14)

190 >>The rush of adrenaline from a fresh hobo kill only lasts so long ...

Sometimes I worry he'll travel to Japan and learn the joys of eating things live. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:01 PM (5H6zj)

191 Yeah, I get the feeling ace runs on energy drinks, sugar (mostly from the energy drinks), and fear of being found out.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 03:02 PM (N/1Dm)

192 maybe it would change the, er, personal feel of the blog

Oh, it's getting personal, alright.

Posted by: The Formatting Ghost at January 30, 2012 03:03 PM (vbh31)

193 The thing with government workers.  You can't fire 'em, and they won't let you shoot 'em.

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 03:03 PM (P6QsQ)

194 * "I've certainly seen more than enough evidence of brain-damage by management from both camps in my lifetime. I've, too, have seen a hell of a lot of determination and hard work on the part of the engineering and support staff within both." *


Difference is, you screw up one to many times in the private sector, you don't work there anymore. You going to tell me that's the same in the DoD?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 03:03 PM (GZitp)

195  Ace does work manically, or maybe it just seems that way from the posting frequency. It'd be nice if he dolled them out like Insty.

I guess that would require putting down some money for a format though, and maybe it would change the, er, personal feel of the blog.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 07:57 PM (N/1Dm)

 

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I don't know.  I kind of like the daily struggle of commenting here.  It separates this blog from the rest.  

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 03:04 PM (cI2ur)

196 Hey, I'm trying to watch a little sports on TV here and I got all this women's underwear and perfume flying by.

WTF?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:04 PM (ZJCDy)

197 @200
Iowahawk was here.  Briefly.

So we tried to get him to stay by throwing him our briefs. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:05 PM (5H6zj)

198 Hillary backer in 08, never forgave her party for their behavior in exhaulting a nobody like Barack, voted Libertarian in 2008, continued souring on every leftist position throughout 2009, and changed parties in '10, voting near-straight-ticket R in 2010. She actively vouched for Fiorina and Whitman, and groans at the sound of Jerry Brown's voice. Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2012 07:58 PM (8539Z) uh hmm, slower than i to understanding the chts the dems are . but glad to be here, and grateful she has also found her place . It's hard when the other side listens and our side is a little baffled at that. still being a conservative is the right thing to be , the ideas/set tasks really do support humanity, from fiscal to children.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:05 PM (TomZ9)

199 189 @185 *antes up bright pink bra* *applies perfume* Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 07:58 PM (5H6zj) That reminds me of a psychology talk show host that was on the air in Kansas when I was stationed at Ft Riley back in the mid-80's. Named Dr. Shaeffer, if I remember right. He gave an analysis of how gals choose their bra color: - A girl that wears a white bra under her white shirt is self-assured her breast size is adequate. - A girl with a black bra under her white shirt is a tad insecure that her boobies may be too itty bitty. - A flat girl that wears no bra under her shirt is sending the signal men are fixated with her chest no matter how flat she is. And she's right. Not sure what a pink bra means, but it's fun to think about...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:06 PM (niZvt)

200 y-not,, what he didn't like my granny panties!?

sniffles in corner.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:06 PM (TomZ9)

201 ack, should have been, *as slow as i*

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:07 PM (TomZ9)

202 >>Not sure what a pink bra means, but it's fun to think about...

It matches my top today. 


You be nice to Mrs. CoolCzech, now, because it sounds like she fed you well this weekend! 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:08 PM (5H6zj)

203 @204
I think it just means he's ghey NTTAWWT. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:08 PM (5H6zj)

204 soona, perhaps not, these are tough times for political wonks, i'm sure.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:09 PM (TomZ9)

205 Saw Santorum on with John King and John King did a good interview and asked all the questions.  Now watching o'really and he is treating Santorum like some of the people on this blog.  I hope Santorum gives it to him.  O'really you are a pompous jack ass.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 03:09 PM (oZfic)

206 @206: I'm afraid I do most of the cooking in the house, Y-not. But I'll be nice to her all the same.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:09 PM (niZvt)

207

Not sure what a pink bra means, but it's fun to think about...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:06 PM (niZvt)

 

 

My interpretation is she is hoping that someone will be seeing her in just the bra.

Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2012 03:09 PM (GULKT)

208 88 jane d'oh yes....i love my closet(s) ....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:09 PM (Ho2rs)

209 >>So we tried to get him to stay by throwing him our briefs.

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 08:05 PM (5H6zj)



You might think about cuttin' back on those Friskies dinners.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:10 PM (ZJCDy)

210 what he didn't like my granny panties!?

It says right on his blog that until further notice, he will only be accepting thongs.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 30, 2012 03:10 PM (vbh31)

211 @211: that would be quite a sight, I'm sure!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:10 PM (niZvt)

212 Anything pink generally denotes breast cancer awareness.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 03:11 PM (oZfic)

213 216 no it doesn't idiot

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:12 PM (Ho2rs)

214 mmmm tanned chicks

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 07:59 PM (I2LwF)

Being as tanned as she is also gives her grossly unfair priveledges to say things about Michelle Obama that I absolutely cannot repeat. But oh boy are they great. Especially when she's talking with her Mom, then its back and forth, who can come up with the harsher insult about her.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2012 03:13 PM (8539Z)

215 Breast cancer? Well this conversation suddenly took a weird turn...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:14 PM (niZvt)

216 >>Anything pink generally denotes breast cancer awareness.



Your comments generally denote thread cancer alerts.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:14 PM (ZJCDy)

217 WSJ/Laffer on Gingrich's tax plan. 
http://tinyurl.com/784h3fm

At this point, I just want to know which of these guys is going to make my life a tiny bit less horrible.  I think it's Newt. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:14 PM (5H6zj)

218 Ace, we've degenerated into boobies (NTTAWWT), and guns can't be far behind.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 03:14 PM (j+Izh)

219 It says right on his blog that until further notice, he will only be accepting thongs.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish
sigh, so He is a panty bigot? o.k I'm through with him.

or until i buy some new lingerie. perhaps i'll shop with m. obama , put it on her tab , no-one should notice, they'd get lost in the mix.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:14 PM (TomZ9)

220 The jello in the State Department cafeteria is people! It's people!

Posted by: Zombie Chuck Hheston at January 30, 2012 03:15 PM (8sCoq)

221 The Romneysphere sounds like a cool ride.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:15 PM (7W3wI)

222 Anything pink generally denotes breast cancer awareness.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 08:11 PM (oZfic)

 

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I'm so glad that you don't take yourself so seriously. //

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 03:15 PM (cI2ur)

223 Your comments generally denote thread cancer alerts.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 08:14 PM (ZJCDy)

I biopsied her comment. Yep. not good.

Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2012 03:15 PM (8539Z)

224 How does something like how much the FLOTUS spends on lingerie even make it into the news, anyway?  I mean, someone in the WH must have thought it was a good idea to leak that, right?  Bizarre. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:16 PM (5H6zj)

225 Things that are red generally denote communism.

Posted by: Overstating the obvious at January 30, 2012 03:16 PM (vbh31)

226 OT now Animal Planet uses double entendre to advertise Hillbilly Handfishing.Black screen you hear the girls talking about touching something slippery,text on the screen say "Sometimes you just have to reach down and grab it" than it shows you that it was Hillbilly Handfishing.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:17 PM (7W3wI)

227 @223: Treat your butt right, willow! Buy a pair of mint-flavored waxed thongs from Johnson & Johnson!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:17 PM (niZvt)

228 i like stuff, so i really like closets.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:17 PM (TomZ9)

229 I dunno.  Thongs are nasty. 

I like those boy shorts.  I have these great Hello Kitty ones but they seem to have stopped selling them in the U.S.  I'd have to order from the UK and that seems a little crazy. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:17 PM (5H6zj)

230 Y-Not yes really weird. maybe she slung it around showing the queen how expensive in america it is?

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:18 PM (TomZ9)

231 228 Imagine a R first lady having that leak out?The venom it inspired would be epic.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:18 PM (7W3wI)

232  How does something like how much the FLOTUS spends on lingerie even make it into the news, anyway? I mean, someone in the WH must have thought it was a good idea to leak that, right? Bizarre.

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 08:16 PM (5H6zj)

 

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Please don't mention FLOTUS's lingere and leaks in the same comment.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 03:18 PM (cI2ur)

233 Ace, we've degenerated into boobies (NTTAWWT), and guns can't be far behind.
 
If you insist.
 
Wired is reporting on a self guided bullet accurate to 2200 meters.
 
http://tinyurl.com/77r62rx

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2012 03:19 PM (BhuDE)

234 >>Please don't mention FLOTUS's lingere and leaks in the same comment.

OK, I guffawed out loud.  My cats and dog are looking at me funny now. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:19 PM (5H6zj)

235 Tanned by God?  Totally acceptable.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 03:20 PM (I2LwF)

236 My cats tongues are daily warriors in the battle for awareness.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 30, 2012 03:20 PM (hiMsy)

237 Had enough for today. See y'all tomorrow.

Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2012 03:20 PM (YdQQY)

238 Wired is reporting on a self guided bullet accurate to 2200 meters.

http://tinyurl.com/77r62rx

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2012 08:19 PM (BhuDE)

Of only they made one for when i'm trying to make a point.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (TomZ9)

239  Things that are red generally denote communism.

Posted by: Overstating the obvious at January 30, 2012 08:16 PM (vbh31)

 

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Things that are green denote stupidity. 

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (cI2ur)

240

>>Please don't mention FLOTUS's lingere and leaks in the same comment

 

 

what about the high impact plastic strapon she uses to keep the President 'focused'?

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (8sCoq)

241 Vic, sleep well.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (TomZ9)

242 Imagine a R first lady having that leak out? The venom it inspired would be epic.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 08:18 PM (7W3wI)

Imagine a female Republican VP candidate that wore designer clothes--oh wait.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (i3+c5)

243 all those little 3 yr olds in ballet class dance in pink tutus for awareness.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:21 PM (Ho2rs)

244 Things that are liberal generally denote a mental disorder.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (I2LwF)

245 Here's why I think the findings make sense.  Note that I'm not referring to individuals, just what is likely "on average."  So, there could easily be counterexamples.

Employees in lower skill positions have fewer job options outside the military.  In today's world, there are plenty of people who an do their jobs.  S, for them, gubmint service is likely to result in higher compensation.  

For those in technical/higher skill positions (like engineering, financial analysis, etc...) the job market has a lot more upside than the gubmint.  The distribution of salaries is also more skewed outside (the best make a LOT more money than the average).  So, higher-skilled workers in government make less on average than their peers.   After all, if you were really good, why would you choose the stupidity and salary compression of a gov't job when you could make much more outside (there is, however, more risk in non-govt jobs).

As for overall average salaries, it depends on the mix of high-skill vs low-skill jobs - if there are more low-skill ones in the comparison, govt jobs will show higher pay. and if more higher-skill ones, govt jobs will show lower pay.  

Posted by: RightWingProf at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (SO4pn)

246 244 >>Please don't mention FLOTUS's lingere and leaks in the same comment what about the high impact plastic strapon she uses to keep the President 'focused'? Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 08:21 PM (8sCoq) Is it self-guided?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (niZvt)

247 Jones, that was ebil.

Posted by: willow at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (TomZ9)

248 pink never existed before? you are an idiot.....go back to where ever you pretend to have gotten a degree from and ask for a refund......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (Ho2rs)

249 Random is a very weak prototype of Hal 9000!


Posted by: jwm at January 30, 2012 03:22 PM (0oYHO)

250 I like those boy shorts. I have these great Hello Kitty ones but they seem to have stopped selling them in the U.S.

Must...

not...

comment...

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 03:23 PM (QKKT0)

251

How does something like how much the FLOTUS spends on lingerie even make it into the news, anyway? I mean, someone in the WH must have thought it was a good idea to leak that, right? Bizarre.

 


 

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 08:16 PM (5H6zj)

 

Pardon me but that ugly bitch is large and I can't imagine a single babe on the planet wanting to emulate that look. Woof!

Posted by: ErikW at January 30, 2012 03:23 PM (VIvRi)

252

 I like those boy shorts. I have these great Hello Kitty ones but they seem to have stopped selling them in the U.S.

 

Yeah, that did it for me.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 03:24 PM (I2LwF)

253 198

Difference is, you screw up one to many times in the private sector, you don't work there anymore. You going to tell me that's the same in the DoD?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 08:03 PM (GZitp)


It depends upon the level and type of screw-up.  DoD employees can easily be shit-canned regarding security clearance issues.  For general incompetence, it certainly does take longer for a gubmit worker to be fired--far longer than a contractor in these parts, regrettably.  Nevertheless, those who get bounced around from project to project enough times due to an inability to perform their jobs will eventually find themselves without a project and are let go.  It's not as efficient as the private sector in that regard, but it's not Soviet Russia, either.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 30, 2012 03:25 PM (YPt/x)

254 >>I mean, someone in the WH must have thought it was a good idea to leak that, right? Bizarre.


Yeah, they're calling it The Last House On The Left Line. Horrific Black Nighties.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:25 PM (ZJCDy)

255 Now the WH is saying it is false.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:26 PM (7W3wI)

256 How about those NASA engineers who forgot to convert English units to Metric units and splattered hundreds of millions of dollars of space probe onto the surface of Mars?

Or that morbidly obese first black woman astronaut who ran the space shuttle arm -- the one who forgot to turn the goddam satellite on before launching it?

Have any of them been shitcanned for failure to perform their duties properly?

How's it feel to still pay their salaries and then their pensions after they retire?

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 03:27 PM (7+pP9)

257 Yeah, they're calling it The Last House On The Left Line. Horrific Black Nighties.

I thought she was flacking the Aunt Esther Mystery Boudoir Collection.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 03:27 PM (QKKT0)

258 >>I mean, someone in the WH must have thought it was a good idea to leak that, right? Bizarre. I feel sorry for the SS detail that has to watch that sh*t.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 03:30 PM (j+Izh)

259 Difference is, screw up one to many times in the private sector, you don't work there anymore. You going to tell me that's the same in the DoD? Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 08:03 PM (GZitp) No, because Civil Service laws keep politicians from firing people just to replace them with cronies as political payback. Besides. What is there to screw up in the DoD? Wrong size staples in the old Swingline?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:30 PM (niZvt)

260 I thought she was flacking the Aunt Esther Mystery Boudoir Collection.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 30, 2012 08:27 PM(QKKT0)



I'm gonna need a bigger bottle.

Posted by: Chief Brody's Nightmare at January 30, 2012 03:30 PM (ZJCDy)

261 Hubby is home finally -- hooray!  Later gators!

Posted by: Y-not at January 30, 2012 03:31 PM (5H6zj)

262 I thought green denoted really easy ski runs.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 30, 2012 03:31 PM (QTe14)

263 260 How about those NASA engineers who forgot to convert English units to Metric units and splattered hundreds of millions of dollars of space probe onto the surface of Mars? Actually, those were private sector engineers working on a corporate NASA contract.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:32 PM (niZvt)

264 "5 The issue, as I see it, is whether we are citizens or subjects. Obama, SEIU, etc. view us as subjects whose purpose is to serve the government. Posted by: WalrusRex" Don't forget the teachers' unions. Our new governor in Michigan has decided that teachers should pay 20% of their health insurance. I have had to listen to my unionized teacher sister in law rant about this, because on one contract they made concessions. Concessions meaning that they didn't get raises that were as big as they usually get. They get 2 raises by the way. An automatic step raise based on the fact that they have taught one more year, then the entire pay structure is increased. So even if the pay structure doesn't go up much, each teacher gets a raise for having one more year of seniority. And she's ranting about this, while 4 of my relatives have had to take actual pay CUTS. You wouldn't believe what the teachers' unions are subjecting our governor to, because he must rein in spending on public sector.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 30, 2012 03:33 PM (NKFBF)

265

"So are we going to pretend that all the private aerospace engineers, managers, workers, etc. are inferior to the people at the DoD?"

No...they are very good at screwing the US Taxpayer.  Part of the reason you have government engineers is to ensure that the Taxpayer is not being taking to the cleaners by the likes of those private Aerospace firms.  I can say that old Hughes Aircraft Corporation was a good corporation.  They fleeced you with a smile.  Dealing with Northrop-Grumman is like pulling teeth.  Everything is out of scope of the contract....that is their business model.

"Tell you what Budahmon, go get a job in the private sector where the success of the business is is vital to the shareholders and employees and report back on what a horrible job they do compared to the DoD."

Been there...done that...Have worked since I was 14 dumbass, construction, roofing, enlisted at 17...Vietnam Era Vet....  Worked for GE (Nuke Refueling), GTE, Burlington, several other textile mills. Used to spit the color of the dye they ran that day when I worked as an electrician in the textile mills.  Worked as an electrician and HVAC for multiple small businesses.   Worked my way through college as a waiter and bartender.  Always with an eye for the bottom line...

"A place where there isn't any accountability or worry's about the bottom line."

You don't think we have a budget.  We have to justify every penny spent in the performance of task that are funded.  As for accountability if we did not perform on schedule and on budget the work would go someplace else.  We haven't missed schedule or budget since the 90s.  Much better than most of those Private Aerospace Firms you hold so high.  Under budget and ahead of schedule due to damn good Program Managers who are also underpaid when compared to the private sector.  We repair the crap that those Private Aerospace engineers, managers and workers put out and fix it so the Military can use it.  

Do we have our issues..yes. I can't fire someone easily...it's tough and it has to be documented to the nth degree.  Sometimes people just start to ride and nothing gets through to them.  It can be done though. 

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 03:34 PM (K3X3O)

266 Somewhere, a pink bra just hit the floor...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:35 PM (niZvt)

267

>>Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 08:34 PM (K3X3O)


Dood, are you on the fucking clock?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:36 PM (ZJCDy)

268 I likes me some space comments.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:37 PM (ZJCDy)

269 216 Anything pink generally denotes breast cancer awareness.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 30, 2012 08:11 PM (oZfic)



Like my panties?


You're an idiot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 03:40 PM (UOM48)

270 My job has me interact with the huge bureaucracies of the private sector. I can assure you: they are no more efficient, smarter, better than the government kind. The idiotic practices and waste there mirrors the government, and the bureaucracies are just as self-protective.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:40 PM (niZvt)

271 You can hate if you want. I am a DoD employee. My retirement sucks (FERS) If they make me pay more for the non-pension I hope they offer an opt out (Yes, it is that good). Most people are thinking Civil Service Retirement when they talk about Feds, that died under Reagan. When he MADE us take social security. I manage a team of contractors and military personnel. I have more tech qualifications than either. The only thing that made me take this job (and it cost me money) is I care about this country and I want to be able to take responsibility. You can't do it as a contractor. So I took the pay cut to do the job that I wanted to make a difference. Thanks for the crap about my pay and benefits. I am thinking about returning to the private sector. I could use the money.

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 30, 2012 03:41 PM (c8mH3)

272 Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 08:34 PM (K3X3O)

So basically, the sun shines out of your ass. Great. Can you do something about the clouds?

If you feel you are under compensated, jump back into the dreaded private sector. We have dental insurance. Hell, my employer pays me a bonus for brushing my teeth.

Hint: Try to avoid anything involving sales. Or working with people. You lack a certain...something.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 03:41 PM (Lpgtj)

273 *"You don't think we have a budget.We have to justify every penny spent in the performance of task that are funded.As for accountabilityif we did not perform on schedule and on budget the work would go someplace else. We haven't missed schedule or budgetsince the 90s. Much better than most of those Private Aerospace Firms you hold so high. Under budget and ahead of schedule due to damn good Program Managers who are also underpaid when compared to the private sector. Werepair the crap that those Private Aerospace engineers, managers and workers put out and fix it so the Military can use it.*"


You're so full of shit it's mind boggling. I don't give a fuck what government agency you work in, The National Park Service or the DoD, none of you come in under budget and ahead of schedule. You the fuck do you think you're kidding?

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 03:41 PM (GZitp)

274 Man gets 45 days in jail for attacking police with light sabers:
 
http://tinyurl.com/7k8tqg2
 
Plus a mental health evaluation. Go figure.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2012 03:41 PM (BhuDE)

275 No, because Civil Service laws keep politicians from firing people just to replace them with cronies as political payback.

Besides. What is there to screw up in the DoD? Wrong size staples in the old Swingline?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:30 PM (niZvt)


Now the pols do the payoffs with grants for their cronies, it is so much cleaner that way.  The Civil Service employees get to stay in place because they pretty much vote Dem (except for DoD).


As far as DoD goes, it isn't like they do anything really important involving critical technology, security, or lives.


FWIW, I have worked with a lot of DoD civilians and they are fine dedicated people in general.  However, I have seen the Peter Principle in action there as well (and among very senior staff).  There is far less of that in the DoD contractor world.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 03:42 PM (i3+c5)

276 Jeez.  Gubmint employees come out of the walls.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 03:42 PM (UOM48)

277 >>272 I likes me some space comments. Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 08:37 PM (ZJCDy) What's a space? Or a period?

Posted by: The Romans at January 30, 2012 03:42 PM (j+Izh)

278 OK, we've got moronettes sharing descriptions of their undies and we're back to bitching that government employees have to be paid... WTF?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:43 PM (niZvt)

279
How about those NASA engineers who forgot to convert English units to Metric units and splattered hundreds of millions of dollars of space probe onto the surface of Mars?

Actually, those were private sector engineers working on a corporate NASA contract.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:32 PM (niZvt)

It warms the cockles of my heart to know those NASA fucks simply failed their oversight responsibilities.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 03:44 PM (7+pP9)

280 What does a Congressman make? What kind of pension do they get?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 30, 2012 03:44 PM (PddVe)

281 yeah!!!! it ran away......!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:47 PM (Ho2rs)

282 How about those NASA engineers who forgot to convert English units to Metric units and splattered hundreds of millions of dollars of space probe onto the surface of Mars? It's the private corporations fault for failing to convert to the metric system decades ago.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 03:47 PM (j+Izh)

283 What does a Congressman make? What kind of pension do they get?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 30, 2012 08:44 PM (PddVe)


What kind of insensitive question is that to ask of the men and women who sacrifice daily to ensure that your lives are regulated properly?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 03:48 PM (i3+c5)

284 284 What does a Congressman make? What kind of pension do they get?       The kind you would expect for a group who gets to deicde how much they get without any oversight involved.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 03:48 PM (I2LwF)

285 Fuck this broken formatting:

Actually, those were private sector engineers working on a corporate NASA contract.

It warms the cockles of my heart to know those NASA fucks simply failed their oversight responsibilities.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 03:49 PM (7+pP9)

286 Rachael Maddow is a Bigffot hunter?

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:49 PM (7W3wI)

287 290 steevy rachel maddow was once mistaken for bigfoot......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:50 PM (Ho2rs)

288 Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 08:47 PM (j+Izh)


IIRC, a similar thing happened with the Hubble Space Telescope (not the splattering part though so there's that to be thankful for)!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 03:50 PM (i3+c5)

289 283 How about those NASA engineers who forgot to convert English units to Metric units and splattered hundreds of millions of dollars of space probe onto the surface of Mars? Actually, those were private sector engineers working on a corporate NASA contract. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:32 PM (niZvt)It warms the cockles of my heart to know those NASA fucks simply failed their oversight responsibilities. Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 08:44 PM (7+pP9) Well, you've got one overworked DoD engineer doing "oversight" of a huge multibillion dollar contract with numerous subcontracts scattered across the country. Is that always adequate? No. Would an entire team of engineers do better? Yes. Would you scream bloody murder if the government doubled or quadrupled the number of DoD employees, to do the job right? Absolutely.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:50 PM (niZvt)

290 290 Rachael Maddow is a Bigffot hunter?

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 08:49 PM (7W3wI)


No, but she is a Big Fat Asshole.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 03:50 PM (hQX3k)

291 Michelle spent $50k on lingerie = Barry is totally hetero.


Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 03:50 PM (N/1Dm)

292 292 It just needed corrective lenses to see anything but once they fixedit it worked fine.How much the fix cost I have no idea.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:51 PM (7W3wI)

293 >>What's a space? Or a period?


We're going to throw that one out into some heavy traffic and have our top researcher ambrosia curious field it for us.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:51 PM (ZJCDy)

294

I can assure you: they are no more efficient, smarter, better than the government kind. The idiotic practices and waste there mirrors the government, and the bureaucracies are just as self-protective.

 

 

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:40 PM (niZvt)

 

I'm guessing you're mentioning unions there.

Posted by: ErikW at January 30, 2012 03:51 PM (VIvRi)

295 Yogurt magnet takes AoSHQ 'hobby' too far?

Pinkberry co-founder Young Lee pleaded not guilty Monday to felony assault for allegedly beating a homeless man with a tire iron over a sexually explicit tattoo.

http://tinyurl.com/6sgd67x

Posted by: Clareeeence at January 30, 2012 03:53 PM (+Jr2Z)

296 Defense is one thing I don't mind the gubmint spending money on.Not wasting it though but it at least is something they are actually supposed to spend money on.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:53 PM (7W3wI)

297

Fluffy see comment 127...your reading comprehension is as good as Vic's.   Yeah...I ignored your sorry ass.  As for the Troll crap...I've been reading Ace for a very, very long time......You two dumb ignorant shites don't even want to know what you are talking about.

Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 03:53 PM (K3X3O)

298 abracadabra sis boom ba!

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 03:54 PM (P6QsQ)

299 280 Jeez. Gubmint employees come out of the walls.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 08:42 PM (UOM4


Dang it, now I want to watch Aliens again. Actually, I've been a long-time AoS reader/occasional poster (formerly Herr Blücher, FWIW (probably in the negatives)) and am glad to see you back.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 30, 2012 03:54 PM (YPt/x)

300 292 Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 08:47 PM (j+Izh) IIRC, a similar thing happened with the Hubble Space Telescope (not the splattering part though so there's that to be thankful for)! Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 08:50 PM (i3+c5) I happen to know that the company notified NASA of the mirror issue BEFORE Hubble was launched... But for various reasons, including politics, NASA forced the launch anyway and later pursued restitution from the contractor. THAT is the true price of socialism.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 03:54 PM (niZvt)

301 299 clarence all in the name of cancer!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:55 PM (Ho2rs)

302

If I were drafting the Republican platform, the first thing I'd draft would be a plank stating that all federal employees should have their compensation cut by 16% immediately, based on this CBO report.    Otherwise, Congress and the President are essentially sanctioning thievery.  

 

What's the downside, given the demonstrated attitude of the American people toward government in poll after poll?


Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 30, 2012 03:55 PM (nov+8)

303 anyone who ever received a pink slip!!!!!! or raced for pinks!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:55 PM (Ho2rs)

304 flamingos!!!!! shrimp!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:56 PM (Ho2rs)

305

>>Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 08:53 PM (K3X3O)



WRONG


WE don't want to know what YOU'RE talking about dumbass.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:56 PM (ZJCDy)

306 What does a Congressman make?

Salary, or salary+theft+graft+bribes?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2012 03:56 PM (M8oc1)

307 Stop hitting the Enter Key so many time, ontherocks!!!

Posted by: The Scold at January 30, 2012 03:57 PM (N/1Dm)

308 ......i'm sure fluffy's mother did not smell of elderberry wine.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 03:57 PM (Ho2rs)

309 Well, I am a federal government worker. I suppose that means I'm on the long list of people hated by the Tea Party..... However, I should note this, if it makes any of you feel any better: Federal employees with a professional degree or doctorate received 18 percent lower total compensation than their private-sector counterparts, on average. That's me. I have a professional degree. And this is reasonably accurate - I earned more money in the private sector than I do in federal employment.

Posted by: Vyceroy at January 30, 2012 03:58 PM (gBH3u)

310 I seemed to have developed this extraordinary technique to take up more space than Gov Christie with no effort and half the calories.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 03:58 PM (ZJCDy)

311 I've been reading Ace for a very, verylong time

Of course you have, Shit Stain.

If you think you deserve more money, go get a job that pays more. Simple as that, no whining necessary.

Your winning personality will take you a long way.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 03:58 PM (Lpgtj)

312 House of Representatives was never meant to be a long term position,nobody was supposed to want to be in there for long.Now they all get rich and stay as long as they can.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 03:59 PM (7W3wI)

313 Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 08:51 PM (7W3wI)


I tried to find a reference regarding the metric English error that I thought had occurred in Hubble, but I couldn't find it.  The corrective lenses fixed a spherical aberration problem (as you noted), but I don't know the cause of the polishing error.  Sorry for posting bad info.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 03:59 PM (i3+c5)

314 Ever notice how all the public servants that somewhat lean toward the right, always claim their job and pension isn't the one causing problems? Federal, state or local is always another agency or bureaucracy that's the problem, not them. They're the hard working ones that could do so much better in the private sector, they do what they do because of their sense of duty. Yet through all my years of interaction with government employees I never seen one of these hard working people busting their ass at work. They must always have the day off when I'm there.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 30, 2012 04:00 PM (GZitp)

315 I have one of those blue collar type enter keys. The kind that made this country great.
No brag, just fact.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:00 PM (ZJCDy)

316 If everyone worked at -40°, we could avoid a lot of mistakes.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 04:00 PM (j+Izh)

317 Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2012 08:56 PM (M8oc1)


insider trading add-on?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 04:00 PM (i3+c5)

318 it's from monty python folks......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 04:01 PM (Ho2rs)

319 ]i]295 Michelle spent $50k on lingerie = Barry is totally hetero.]/i]


au contraire....

it costs a douche on the down-low to keep a bitch in the style she demands.  She and Valerie Jarrett....rowrrrrr.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:02 PM (UOM48)

320 jane d'oh yuck!

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 04:03 PM (Ho2rs)

321 For the first time in her adult life, Michelle has clean undies.

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 04:03 PM (P6QsQ)

322 Mars Polar Explorer is the one that crashed I believe.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 04:04 PM (7W3wI)

323 329 mama winger if only curious could aspire to such heights......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 30, 2012 04:04 PM (Ho2rs)

324 You two dumb ignorant shites don't even want to know what you are talking about.Posted by: Budahmo

Frankly, everyone could stand to chill the fuck out, but Budah you may want ask yourself a few questions.

Are you the only Federal Worker in the entire Federal government?
Is DoD the only branch of the government?
Is the CBO lying or making up statistics?
Do you believe that there is no level of centralized government too big for our country?

I'm going to wager, particularly if you say you read this site often, the answer to those question is 'no.'

So perhaps your introduction here started off on the wrong foot.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 04:04 PM (+Jr2Z)

325 328 jane d'oh

yuck!



I call Valerie Jarrett Minnie Rodent.

*apologies to rodents everywhere....especially Timmy Geithner*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:04 PM (UOM48)

326 Ever notice how much better traffic is on government holidays?

That's the inverse of our oppression.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 04:05 PM (N/1Dm)

327 There's something else people need to remember about comparing private and federal jobs: there's often a reason why the government has to hire its own people to do a job. I worked in a federal prison as an accountant for 8 years. Each day I walked across the yard surrounded by murdereres, rapists, and even Puerto Rican terrorists (until Clinton let them go). When days were foggy, I was ouside the fence with a shotgun in my car, keeping watch. How do you compare that to being an accountant at IBM? The employed people inside that prison included cashiers at the commissary, doctors, nurses, mechanics, a librarian, and even High School level teachers. If the shit ever hit the fan, the women AND men might well have been raped or worse. They don't deserve to make more than a WalMart cashier? Really? Be wary of comparing apples and oranges, folks.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:07 PM (niZvt)

328 There's something else people need to remember about comparing private and federal jobs: there's often a reason why the government has to hire its own people to do a job. I worked in a federal prison as an accountant for 8 years. Each day I walked across the yard surrounded by murdereres, rapists, and even Puerto Rican terrorists (until Clinton let them go). When days were foggy, I was ouside the fence with a shotgun in my car, keeping watch. How do you compare that to being an accountant at IBM? The employed people inside that prison included cashiers at the commissary, doctors, nurses, mechanics, a librarian, and even High School level teachers. If the shit ever hit the fan, the women AND men might well have been raped or worse. They don't deserve to make more than a WalMart cashier? Really? Be wary of comparing apples and oranges, folks.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:07 PM (niZvt)

329 I worked for the CofE for five long years. In that time, I was paid more than I would go on to earn in the private sector for 20 years. I worked my ass off, and for that effort I was reviled for showing people up, for getting things done "too fast." I was subject to a fair amount of sexism, being a woman in a typically man's job, and I was made to do more traveling to nasty places than pretty much anyone else in the office. There were people there that were double-dipping after retiring from the military, who had not done a lick of work in 20 years and were holding out for the sweet retirement deals. I never paid a single health insurance premium, nor did I contribute to retirement, until Reagan made us switch to SS.

It has been a very long time since I worked there. Things may or may not have changed, but I have my doubts. Some government employees work very hard, but they don't stay long. Some government employees work just enough to escape notice, and hang in until retirement. And some can manage to get by not doing a lick of work, although I have yet to discover what it is they actually DO. I, personally, would have gone completely stir crazy.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:08 PM (hQX3k)

330 CoolCzech......

Double post *high five*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:08 PM (UOM48)

331 Just because everyone here double posts doesn't mean you need to double comment!

If they jumped off a cliff would you do it too!!?

Posted by: The Scold at January 30, 2012 04:09 PM (N/1Dm)

332 Trapped in anti reality, our pugs are

Posted by: Kid A at January 30, 2012 04:09 PM (sJA0d)

333 12 Yeah, see....it's things like this that makes us taxpayers pissed off.
.
We're broke. So we're borrowing money to keep these Federal Workers in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. ....And passing the debt on to our grandchildren.

Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2012 06:13 PM (UOOK1)

 

======

 

And the feds get a double bonus -- first they get paid well to demolish the private sector -- then, they also will have plenty of cash left over to buy the remnants of the broken lives of private sector people at forclosure auctions and on Ebay.  Why, it's a Win-Win !!!

Posted by: jc at January 30, 2012 04:10 PM (i8c5b)

334 Oh goody!  We commentors now get to double post.  I like this new format.

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:10 PM (X6akg)

335 Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 09:04 PM

Nail, head, etc.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 04:10 PM (Lpgtj)

336 Did someone grind the Hubble mirror to a sphere rather than a parabola?

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 04:11 PM (j+Izh)

337
Dweeb Alert:  Dan Blather on Power & Money with David Asman on FBN now.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 30, 2012 04:11 PM (TkGkA)

338 Nail, head, etc.

I'd like to nail Dr. Goodhead.

Posted by: Bond, James Bond at January 30, 2012 04:11 PM (QTe14)

339 Who broke the broken blog?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (UOM48)

340 Mark Herzlich   2 yrs ago I was told I might never walk again. Just WALKED off plane in Indy to play in The . *tCancer

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (HethX)

341 Hum.  Well, I wanted to add something substantive to this thread.  Anyway, I received my very first solid state drive and am going to go see what the hoopla is all about.

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (YPt/x)

342 Lets start a new war

Posted by: Kid A 178 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (sJA0d)

343

> I like those boy shorts. I have these great Hello Kitty ones

 

 

threadwinner?

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (8sCoq)

344 Sarah Palin was just on Hannity.  I swear she must be menstruating.  Man is she pissed.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 30, 2012 04:12 PM (O3R/2)

345
I happen to know that the company notified NASA of the mirror issue BEFORE Hubble was launched... But for various reasons, including politics, NASA forced the launch anyway and later pursued restitution from the contractor.

THAT is the true price of socialism.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 08:54 PM (niZvt)


That's weird.

You got much of the story right (it had to do with the glass rods) and yet you wrongly characterized Hubble as a DOD project.

It's amazing how highly intelligent and technically talented commenters can fuck up a simple wet dream.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 04:13 PM (7+pP9)

346
I swear she must be menstruating. Man is she pissed.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 30, 2012 09:12 PM (O3R/2)

Yeah...it's hell here in Wasilla. 


Posted by: Todd Palin at January 30, 2012 04:13 PM (TkGkA)

347 And the feds get a double bonus

Pfft!

They get to double post, too.

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 04:13 PM (Lpgtj)

348 350 Lets start a new war


Agreed.  Against the Occupy Wall Street douches.

We're smart, we're armed, and well-bathed.

War over in about 15 minutes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:14 PM (UOM48)

349

Multimillionaire Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (R) told employees at a steel fabrication plant on Monday that government employees "are making a lot more money than we are."

"The taxpayers shouldn't have to have money taken out of their pay checks to pay people in government who are our servants who are making a lot more money than we are"

Mitt Romney 7/11/2011
via crooksandliars




"Mitt Romney: Just Plain Folk."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2012 04:14 PM (3wBRE)

350 murdereres, rapists, and even Puerto Rican terrorists (until Clinton let them go)

As America's first black president, ah felt it was mah duty to liberate my brown brothers who were down with the struggle. Heh.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at January 30, 2012 04:14 PM (vbh31)

351 "354 I swear she must be menstruating. Man is she pissed." Who gives a shit if shes pissed?

Posted by: Kid A 178 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:14 PM (sJA0d)

352 I figure, I'm worth 110 in the private sector... you guys are getting me at 85 (GS 12-5)... you're getting that advantage because I didn't do a good job on my dissertation but I'm sharp as hell.  That being said, I've done something in the past year that has had a national impact... responsible for research and "production"... work equivalent to GS-14/15... for which I've gotten no bonus... and I ended up having a mental breakdown and hospitalized... all before the age of 30.  As soon as I get my paper published in a journal I'm hunting my salary.  The sad thing is that you hire people like me to save you all kinds of cash or to create value (i'd wager a couple of million dollars... but its not something you can actually enumerate without serious effort).

In a serious world you'd keep people like me around because there's a lot of house-cleaning and upgrading to be done.... but it isn't a serious world and there's a ton of incompetent hanging around.  We just hired an Ivy League PhD w/ the curiosity of a tree sloth who I'd never hire except out of pity.  Now the last two Ivy Leaguers hired good quality but there's still a ton of deadweight around... and that's before we get to HR and all the other positions which are certainly overpaid.

What I don't like is that I have to take it in the shorts at the behest at all those who attend adult day care at work... but I understand it.... and if you don't work to change don't cry when you lose talented people.  There's a lot of great technical challenges at work... but the incompetence spoils it all... and I'm having a hard time justifying the effort if its just going to be SSDD.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at January 30, 2012 04:14 PM (BeB0s)

353 I'm late to this game, no way I am reading 346 comments.  My husband was a federal employee.  He retired 6 years ago.  Believe me, we ain't rich. 

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2012 04:16 PM (Z71Vg)

354 I'd like to start a war against people with Morrissey stickers on their cars.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 04:16 PM (N/1Dm)

355 Sarah Palin was just on Hannity. I swear she must be menstruating. Man is she pissed.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 30, 2012 09:12 PM (O3R/2)



Yes because that is the one and only reason women get pissed.


Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:16 PM (X6akg)

356 "We're smart, we're armed, and well-bathed. War over in about 15 minutes." The mastas want it. Help, the movie.

Posted by: Kid A 178 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:16 PM (sJA0d)

357 Portland would probably be the Final Battle

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 04:17 PM (N/1Dm)

358 Let's stop the hate on Rachael Maddow.  He's a good guy. 

Posted by: Okie Tea Partierer at January 30, 2012 04:17 PM (c984p)

359 352 Sarah Palin was just on Hannity. I swear she must be menstruating. Man is she pissed.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 30, 2012 09:12 PM (O3R/2)


Jimbo, honey, at her age, she is just pissed. She probably isn't menstruating anymore. She's probably just pissed.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:17 PM (hQX3k)

360 Oh goody! We commentors now get to double post. I like this new format.

Something tells me this is just the tip of the iceberg...

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 30, 2012 04:17 PM (vbh31)

361 >>Who broke the broken blog?



There seems to be a black size XXXL thong caught in the server. Got everything all jammed up. We're gonna be down several hours.

Posted by: Jumbo Lingerie IT at January 30, 2012 04:17 PM (ZJCDy)

362 Because it can't be said enough, Snoop Dog endorsed Luap Nor today.

Yay!  Stoner vote.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:18 PM (UOM48)

363

 Mars Polar Explorer is the one that crashed I believe.

 

 

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2012 09:04 PM (7W3wI)

 

Mars Polar Lander. It took me a minute to remember too.

Posted by: ErikW at January 30, 2012 04:20 PM (VIvRi)

364 There seems to be a black size XXXL thong caught in the server. Got everything all jammed up. We're gonna be down several hours." GD the anti tube thingy pug operators are dumb.

Posted by: Kid A 178 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:20 PM (sJA0d)

365 Learned on AoS:  Women only get angry during their period.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 04:21 PM (I2LwF)

366 >>Yes because that is the one and only reason women get pissed.



Based on my own experiences there's a lot more than just one reason.
I just can't seem to label them properly.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (ZJCDy)

367 Kid A - do you get off work around this time every night?

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (P6QsQ)

368 I had a favorite aunt who worked for the Defense Mapping Agency. She made maps. She was of the generation that believed government employment meant serving the country. Her husband, (my uncle) was a former paratrooper (82nd Abn, Europe, 1944). He worked his whole civilian life after that for DC Dept of Public Works. Neither of them felt they were on the public tit. They survived the war, had jobs, and were living the dream.

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (8sCoq)

369

+Yes because that is the one and only reason women get pissed+

 

I KNEW it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (PddVe)

370 375 Learned on AoS: Women only get angry during their period.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 09:21 PM (I2LwF)


I haven't had a period in a while.  Trust me, I still get angry *glances over at Mr. D'oh cowering behind a chair*.


heh


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (UOM48)

371 I, too, am a federal worker and somewhat heartened to hear I make am in the group that make 18% less (on average) than my private sector counterparts.

Not because I like making less, but because, as a lifelong conservative (voted for Ford and never turned back) I know we - all federal employees - are on average overpaid and that we simply cannot afford it any longer. 

You will note that federal employees with a high school diploma are the worst of the group with a 36% advantage over the private sector. This is a trend that I have noticed - increasing the pay grades (not just raises but jumps on the pay scale) of file clerks, lower-level administrative personnel, non-degreed technical personnel, etc. - and something that quite a few federal workers find disturbing. Fixing pay-grade inflation alone would save billions and result in fewer workers being laid-off, but while federal employee unions don't collective bargain, they still carry great clout with the current administration (I'm in an exempt position and have no allegiance to the union thank God) and it is going to take a serious conservative to change it.

I want to see things change and I think you would be surprised at the number of federal employees who do. But until Obama is out and someone serious gets in there to do it, nothing is going to change.

Posted by: TRO at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (I6mxF)

372
I tried to find a reference regarding the metric English error that I thought had occurred in Hubble, but I couldn't find it. The corrective lenses fixed a spherical aberration problem (as you noted), but I don't know the cause of the polishing error. Sorry for posting bad info.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2012 08:59 PM (i3+c5)


It's because there wasn't any metric to English error.

The glass bars that guided the polishing mechanism were supposed to be the straightest, truest, most precise marvels of engineering ever produced.

They weren't, and so they had to put eyeglasses on the Hubble.

/making a long story short and simple.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 30, 2012 04:22 PM (7+pP9)

373 @353: But I didn't say it was a DoD project! Though it was audited by DoD people, like moi. Quit messing up my wet dreams!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:23 PM (niZvt)

374 Look out! I'm on my period!


wait, what?

Posted by: Prez'nit Toonces at January 30, 2012 04:23 PM (vbh31)

375 Why again does anyone care about a religious nut like Sarah?

Posted by: Kid A 178.32.239.70 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:24 PM (sJA0d)

376 Pro-tip:

Even if that is the reason your wife is mad...don't say so.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 04:24 PM (N/1Dm)

377 Based on my own experiences there's a lot more than just one reason.
I just can't seem to label them properly.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 09:22 PM (ZJCDy)


Would you like me to help you?  And by help you I mean, stompy boot yer ass.

*she said sweetly*

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:25 PM (X6akg)

378 Kid A - a lot of your obsessive thoughts seem to center on religion.  Does that concern you?

Posted by: mama winger at January 30, 2012 04:25 PM (P6QsQ)

379 +pissed+ Lots of fire and thunder

Posted by: Kid A 178.32.239.70 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:25 PM (sJA0d)

380
Learned on AoS: Women only get angry during their period.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 09:21 PM (I2LwF)

And if you don't agree that her new dress makes her ass look small.  Or very small and delicious.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 30, 2012 04:26 PM (TkGkA)

381 so is this the flamewar thread for gov't workers?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 30, 2012 04:26 PM (7FadD)

382 Learned on AoS: Women only get angry during their period. Don't forget Lesson Two: women can have their periods any place, anytime. At will.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:28 PM (niZvt)

383 chemjeff,

We're actually talking about menstruation right now so if you could stay on topic that'd be great. Thanks.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 30, 2012 04:28 PM (N/1Dm)

384

as a former married person I can tell you that women do not need a monthly biological occurence to get mad. My ex could go from zero to apeshit in about 4 seconds any day of the month. Me too as I recall. Hey- maybe that's why we're not married any more!

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 04:28 PM (8sCoq)

385 And if you don't agree that her new dress makes her ass look small.Posted by: Doctor Fish

I take it "Smaller than what?" is not an acceptable response?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 04:29 PM (+Jr2Z)

386 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:29 PM (UOM48)

387 >Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4

 

 

the word 'cellulite' comes to mind

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 04:30 PM (8sCoq)

388 >>Would you like me to help you? And by help you I mean, stompy boot yer ass.*she said sweetly*

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 09:25 PM (X6akg)



Ya know......., I shoulda figured she hung a help wanted sign on my ass. Clever sense of humor, that little lady O' mine.

Thanks for the tip Tami

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:31 PM (ZJCDy)

389 396 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string. Thoughts? Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4 Yeah. I'd double that, if she promised not to take it off.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:31 PM (niZvt)

390 >>Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?




Canadian Whiskey and Clorox.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:32 PM (ZJCDy)

391 Thanks for the tip Tami

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 09:31 PM (ZJCDy)



Sure...no charge.

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:33 PM (X6akg)

392 Michelle: Landing Strip, or Toddler Smooth? Discuss.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:33 PM (niZvt)

393 oh man Jane. . . . in a g-string . . . makes me think of "Life of Brian" . . . Incontinentia? Incontinentia Buttocks!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 30, 2012 04:33 PM (SB0V2)

394 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4



That poor, poor g-string.

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:34 PM (X6akg)

395 396 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4


Thanks a lot, that just shut down any possibility of keeping my dinner down this evening.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:34 PM (hQX3k)

396 Oh Jane.. I don't even want to think about Moochelle in a thong.  Not with THAT ass. 

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2012 04:34 PM (Z71Vg)

397 Michelle: Landing Strip, or Toddler Smooth?

Discuss.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 09:33 PM (niZvt)



I think you meant Disgusting.

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:35 PM (X6akg)

398 @409: Option #2: Brush fire.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:35 PM (niZvt)

399

Michelle: Landing Strip, or Toddler Smooth?

Landing strip?  More like the amazon jungle there.  If we ever run out of brillo pads....

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2012 04:36 PM (Z71Vg)

400 @410: Touche, Tami!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:36 PM (niZvt)

401

Conservatives men offer little help during the period of suffering other than let's get through this for a better day.  Or ask for healing chicken wings while watching the NFL.  Or go fishing.

Liberal men go into pity mode offering Pamprin, Tylenol, back rubs, chocolate, and sleeping on the couch.  They go to work with Sympathetic Cooter Syndrome, making the other employees miserable.  That's why they're known as pussies.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 30, 2012 04:36 PM (TkGkA)

402 I'm amazed these high-end lingerie stores would carry anything that would fit that fat ass, but I guess they also cater to the rich perverts who like to get into their wives' lingerie drawers, so I suppose they could find something to stretch across that barren desert. Throwing 50K at that ass, I'm hoping they found something more concealing than a g-string.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:36 PM (hQX3k)

403 I'm picturing Chairman SCOAMF hiding in the Royal Bathroom. 

"Ummmmm, I'm coming honey......."*gazes longingly at picture of Reggie Love*

Exit Royal Bathroom

Enter Royal Bed Chamber

Exit Royal Boner

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:36 PM (UOM48)

404 So, judging from her normal demeanor, I'd have to guess that Moochelle has been on the rag for about 30 years without a break.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:37 PM (hQX3k)

405 It was for Valerie Jarrett.

Posted by: CMU VET at January 30, 2012 04:37 PM (ARTjI)

406 Allizzle ackbizzle  ... oh what's this shizzle about no alcohol?

Posted by: Cincinnatus at January 30, 2012 04:38 PM (2OtxJ)

407 I'm sure Moochelle bought that sexy lingerie for the SS agent she's been boinking.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2012 04:38 PM (Z71Vg)

408 418 It was for Valerie Jarrett.

Posted by: CMU VET at January 30, 2012 09:37 PM (ARTjI)


Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "chewing the scenery."

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:39 PM (hQX3k)

409 420 I'm sure Moochelle bought that sexy lingerie for the SS agent she's been boinking.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 30, 2012 09:38 PM (Z71Vg)


No matter how much it is, that is ONE government employee who is NOT overpaid.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:39 PM (hQX3k)

410
It's not necessary to pay 5K for a g-string to hold a Brillo Pad.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 30, 2012 04:40 PM (TkGkA)

411 @421: I see what you did there. Now pass the brain bleach...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:40 PM (niZvt)

412 I don't think they meant 5K dollars. They mean her g-string is rated to support 5K lbs.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:42 PM (niZvt)

413 >Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.Thoughts?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4

Excuse me while I go lobotomize myself.  I need to sleep tonight, and that image will NOT help my dreams.   Thanks a pant-load, Jane.


Posted by: RightWingProf at January 30, 2012 04:43 PM (SO4pn)

414 The only 'b' word you should call a woman is 'beautiful'.  Them bitches love being called beautiful.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 04:43 PM (I2LwF)

415 396 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4


You could put a $5,000 g-string on a pig, but it would still be a pig.

Posted by: Channeling Barack Obama at January 30, 2012 04:43 PM (axc/z)

416 What floor is this?

I seem to have gotten off on the ONT by mistake.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:44 PM (ZJCDy)

417 We can haz ONT?

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 04:44 PM (hQX3k)

418 401 396 Moochelle in a $5,000 g-string. Thoughts? Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:29 PM (UOM4 Cover girl!

Posted by: National Geographic at January 30, 2012 04:45 PM (j+Izh)

419
Michelle: Landing Strip...?
Posted by: CoolCzech





Class3 Unimproved Runway:  Rough grassy field. Subject to frost heaves.  No fuels or fluids available.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2012 04:45 PM (3wBRE)

420 I seem to have gotten off on the ONT by mistake.Posted by ntherocks

Morons are nothing if not impatient.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 04:45 PM (+Jr2Z)

421 From gov't salaries to Michelle Obama in a $5,000 (or was that, 5,000 lbs?) g-string in one post.   To quote the next-door neighbor kid in The Incredibles, "That was totally AWESOME".

This is what keeps me coming back to the Moron Horde.


Posted by: RightWingProf at January 30, 2012 04:46 PM (SO4pn)

422 OK, You have made your case. All Feds are horrifically overpaid, the ones that do work are never there when you visit. How do you change that? How do you attract talent that can make a difference? The job must get done and it can not be contracted out. What should a Fed look for in a prospect and why should they encourage them to take the job. I have a heard time with that. In my opinion the backlash against federal employees is such that you will be left with the ones that prove your point. I don't think you want that. Turning DoD into DMV makes it worse. So how do you fix it?

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 30, 2012 04:46 PM (c8mH3)

423 Gah.  I hate politics.

Just tell me who to vote for, my Establishment Betters.

I'll hold my nose like a good girl (just like I did in '0 and pull the lever.

Summon the meteors, please.

We're doomed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:46 PM (UOM48)

424 ONT used to be 10 ET.  It's been coming around 9 lately.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 04:47 PM (I2LwF)

425 Picture Michelle in a catsuit. A very tight(perforce) catsuit.

Posted by: Channeling Barack Obama at January 30, 2012 04:47 PM (axc/z)

426 ONT, ONT, ONT

Posted by: Kid A 178.32.239.70 Zurich at January 30, 2012 04:47 PM (sJA0d)

427 Aaannnnd the broken blog is more broken.....

the hell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:47 PM (UOM48)

428 Aaannnnd the broken blog is more broken.....

the hell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:47 PM (UOM4



What?  What is more broken?

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:49 PM (X6akg)

429

435 OK, You have made your case.

 

My solution?  Make government as tiny as possible.  Have it do much, much less.  Therefore, it can't screw as much up.

Then, you move everything possible as close to the end user as possible.  Town level would be ideal.  Then, when the government screws up, you can go to the person's house or talk to them at church or whatever.

What's left at the federal level?  Very little.  See the Constitution for examples.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 04:49 PM (I2LwF)

430 Do women feel, you know... stimulated by g-strings? Or does wearing one help with dingleberries?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:50 PM (niZvt)

431 >>Morons are nothing if not impatient.


I meant wrong turn, not wong toin


Jeeeshh,  I hope nobody saw that.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:50 PM (ZJCDy)

432 What? What is more broken?

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 09:49 PM (X6akg)



Smilies are appearing un-summoned.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:50 PM (UOM48)

433

Anyway, Mrs. North and I were watching TV on the couch last night.  She said, "You know, it's been a while since we had sex."

I smiled, and said, "Can I go slip into somehing more comfortable?"

She giggled, and said, "Sure!"

So I went to bed.

Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 04:51 PM (I2LwF)

434 Truman North

Are you per chance going to be appearing in Vegas in March?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:52 PM (UOM48)

435 I meant wrong turn, not wong toin


Jeeeshh, I hope nobody saw that.


Sounds perfectly normal to me, Doc. Gotta go! Got a big date in Albakoikee.

Posted by: Bugs Bunny at January 30, 2012 04:52 PM (Lpgtj)

436 >>Or does wearing one help with dingleberries? Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 09:50 PM (niZvt) (Cue music) I've got berries that dingle, dangle, dingle As I go riding merrily along...

Posted by: The Gay Singing Cowboy at January 30, 2012 04:54 PM (j+Izh)

437

>>Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 09:51 PM (I2LwF)


I take it from openness of your comment that AoSHq is yet another place that the wife seldom comes?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 04:55 PM (ZJCDy)

438 >Picture Michelle in a catsuit. A very tight(perforce) catsuit.

I picture her camel toe looking more like the mouth of a extremely pissed off Alien (the movie) Xenomorph.

Posted by: Tarbash at January 30, 2012 04:57 PM (LFZSO)

439 448 I meant wrong turn, not wong toin I took a wong toin with a Chinese chick once, and she said, "Ouw! Wong Ho!"

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 04:57 PM (niZvt)

440 Smilies are appearing un-summoned.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:50 PM (UOM4



No, that's normal....whenever you type an 8 followed by a ) a smiley appears.  See your hash in this post.

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 04:57 PM (X6akg)

441 #414   That's some funny sh*t right there!

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 04:57 PM (Tl1mu)

442 For anyone who hasn't eaten within the last few hours, iOwnTheWorld has a post on the "Agent Provocateur" lingerie thingy http://tinyurl.com/8xykr4g

Posted by: Lrker, now w/eye-bleach at January 30, 2012 04:58 PM (sJKFk)

443 Tami,

ah fuck.

Learn something new everyday here.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 04:58 PM (UOM48)

444 testing...

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 04:59 PM (Tl1mu)

445 Dear Penthouse Forum, I can't believe I'm writing this but my fantasy of having a mean looking black woman with an enormous ass in a $5000 g-string and whipped cream smeared all over her face spanking me for not eating my peas and carrots has finally come true... 

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 30, 2012 04:59 PM (axc/z)

446
Learn something new everyday here.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 09:58 PM (UOM4



You never noticed the smiley face whenever anyone copied your post to reply to you?

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 05:00 PM (X6akg)

447 Truman, We agree! That's why I post to this site. And I think if you were to talk to the Fed employees here at ace you would find the same agreement. The functions Government has to perform should be done well. And the rest belongs to the states and private sector. But the salary issue is a class warfare canard intended to pit the people that do the job because it need to be done right against the slugs who make federal employment into the slug life its portrayed as. Is there waste in the federal Government, yup, same as any corporate entity. some of it is with cause and some of it is a "cost of doing business". The ability to prove all funds are executed without waste actually is quite expensive (And a prudent person may regard as silly, except for the go to jail provision

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 30, 2012 05:00 PM (c8mH3)

448 All this "I'm a bargain in my job with the Feds." Bull and sh!t! I worked for the Feds as a doctor. Knew and accepted that my salary was half that of a private practice doc. Knew also that there was no way in the world that I worked as hard as the private practice doc. When my kids were older I went into private practice. Doubled my hours. Tripled my salary. Dumbasses- engineers and other professionals make more in the marketplace by working harder and much more efficiently. If that is not the case, then I propose you prove me wrong by doing the same level of work and making a boatload more. What, you say? You stay in an unnecessarily low paying position because you want it that way- not because you don't want to take risks and work much harder? Well, aren't you special!

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 05:00 PM (57YDo)

449 @450: Truman's wife rarely comes? Sounds like a job for a Walgreens Pharmacy Back Massager, IYKWIM.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:00 PM (niZvt)

450 Yeah, but I'm Occutarded and too embarrassed to ask why.

Slow learner here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 05:01 PM (UOM48)

451 @461: Somebody needs a back massage...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:01 PM (niZvt)

452 I had an older sister (the bane of my teenage life) whose moods were dictated by her period. She was mean 2 weeks before, two weeks after, and during each period.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 30, 2012 05:02 PM (j+Izh)

453 Sigh.  @463 meant to reply to Tami.

I blame OWS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 05:03 PM (UOM48)

454 Righties and reality,dont really mix.

Posted by: Kid A @178.32.239.70 - Zurich at January 30, 2012 05:03 PM (sJA0d)

455 Posted by: Truman North at January 30, 2012 09:51 PM (I2LwF)

[/br]Ah, that's why she called this evening!

Posted by: Mrs. North's boyfriend at January 30, 2012 05:03 PM (fjZTH)

456 Hey Jane, had a guy apply for a sales job.  Said he was in the group that captured Saddam in the spidey hole.  Also, drove around the top guy in Iraq.  Found out he had no drivers liscence and was using fake id's. 

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 05:03 PM (Tl1mu)

457 469 Hey Jane, had a guy apply for a sales job. Said he was in the group that captured Saddam in the spidey hole. Also, drove around the top guy in Iraq. Found out he had no drivers liscence and was using fake id's.

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 10:03 PM (Tl1mu)


So, not a very good salesman?

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 05:05 PM (hQX3k)

458 No ONT!!

The Feds done socialized the blog!!

Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2012 05:06 PM (Lpgtj)

459 Allah have mercy upon us, we had plans to install a snuke within the wife of the current President of The Great Satan, but we had not the courage to approach so close to the very gates of hell.

Posted by: Abdul Hussein at January 30, 2012 05:06 PM (axc/z)

460 469 Hey Jane, had a guy apply for a sales job. Said he was in the group that captured Saddam in the spidey hole. Also, drove around the top guy in Iraq. Found out he had no drivers liscence and was using fake id's. Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 10:03 PM (Tl1mu) Sounds like a great salesman, though... Did you hire him?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:06 PM (niZvt)

461 469 Hey Jane, had a guy apply for a sales job. Said he was in the group that captured Saddam in the spidey hole. Also, drove around the top guy in Iraq. Found out he had no drivers liscence and was using fake id's.

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 10:03 PM (Tl1mu)


--------------------



I take it you read my earlier post (way earlier) about the fake Marine Iraq/Afghan war vet who applied with my husband's company.


He described in vivid detail how he fought off an insurgent using only his K-bar....and sank it in the guy's chest.  Been fighting PTSD ever since.


Never served in the military.  Period.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 05:06 PM (UOM48)

462 Yeah, but I'm Occutarded and too embarrassed to ask why.

Slow learner here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 10:01 PM (UOM4



LOL! 

Posted by: Tami at January 30, 2012 05:06 PM (X6akg)

463 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 09:33 PM (niZvt){

And you thought I was over the top?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:07 PM (nEUpB)

464 461 All this "I'm a bargain in my job with the Feds."

Bull and sh!t!

I worked for the Feds as a doctor. Knew and accepted that my salary was half that of a private practice doc. Knew also that there was no way in the world that I worked as hard as the private practice doc.

When my kids were older I went into private practice. Doubled my hours. Tripled my salary.
***
Not surprised. First, there's the testimony of Dan Aykroyd in Ghostbusters: "You don't understand...I've worked in the private sector. They expect results." He says it as though it's something he has not had to consider for some time. It's one of my favorite moments in the movie, because it's so throwaway, yet contains so much wisdom and truth.

Then, there're the reports of people who've done both at the managerial level. They tend to report surprise at how much the government work is about looking good, and the private sector work is about actually producing.

I know that there are super-competent Government employees, and I certainly accept that you were competent at your job. But on a pure numbers basis, the great mass of government employment is a rice bowl for people who are getting much more then would be their due in the private sector. That rice bowl will be shattered, one way or the other, because anything that can't continue forever, won't.

Posted by: Splunge at January 30, 2012 05:07 PM (2IW5Q)

465 I wouldn't turn down a back massage- even a virtual one! Unless by offering you are demonstrating sympathetic cooter syndrome

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 05:08 PM (57YDo)

466

470

He was very impressive, actually. It was the background check that exposed him.  He wouldn't have lasted long though.  I do have a 3 tour veteran with a purple heart on staff along with 3 parents of deployed warriors.  They would've figured him out quick.

Posted by: DailyDish at January 30, 2012 05:08 PM (Tl1mu)

467 171 I'm amazed they actually found a control group. How many private sector workers get lifetime appointments making other people fill out forms?

Posted by: iowahawk at January 30, 2012 07:53 PM (veL4N)

Aren't you that guy who used to have a kickass blog - it was all intelligent and funny parodies, with a dash of hot rods and some serious statistical modelling?

/s

New posts, please.  Really - please. 

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at January 30, 2012 05:08 PM (lJJMb)

468 Seal team? I was in a seal team for a while.

Posted by: guy who likes to act nonchalant and hiply unimpressed at January 30, 2012 05:09 PM (j+Izh)

469 @476: I cruise the upper stratasphere of top, mi amigo! :8

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:09 PM (niZvt)

470 caveat: I have read none of the previous comments. I am trying very hard to get a government job. Here's the deal. I'm going to work my ass off no matter where I work. At this point, I'm looking for job security. The government job I want actually will cause me to take a pay cut. Rest assured, 'rons and 'ettes, if I do get that job, I will really be your tax dollars at hard work.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 30, 2012 05:09 PM (otfJ1)

471 How do you change that? How do you attract talent that can make a difference?Posted by: Jno Aubrey

Again, my questions from upthread:

Are you the only Federal Worker in the entire Federal government?
Is DoD the only branch of the government?
Is the CBO lying or making up statistics?
Do you believe that there is no level of centralized government too big for our country?

The DoD and defense-related R&D is not the sum total of Federal spending. There's no point getting into an argument about it.

The overwhelming majority of the commenters here are hawkish to the extreme, so the idea that we want a weak or deficient war capability is simply straw stuffing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 05:10 PM (+Jr2Z)

472 >Rest assured, 'rons and 'ettes, if I do get that job, I will really be your tax dollars at hard work.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 30, 2012 10:09 PM (otfJ1)

 

 

Hell, you'll be a mole for the moron horde

Posted by: Jones at January 30, 2012 05:11 PM (8sCoq)

473 http://tinyurl.com/8xykr4g

$50K worth of brain bleach won't cure this disturbing image.

Posted by: sTevo at January 30, 2012 05:12 PM (VMcEw)

474 "so the idea that we want a weak or deficient war capability is simply straw stuffing. " Nukes rule

Posted by: Kid A @178.32.239.70 - Zurich at January 30, 2012 05:12 PM (sJA0d)

475 Indeed, Jones! That makes me feel much better!

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 30, 2012 05:13 PM (otfJ1)

476 Ah shit.  A lib friend of mine (and he's a friend because he's hilariously funny and really doesn't focus much on politics) just e-mailed me ridiculing the GOP field.

I e-mailed him back that Snoop Dog has endorsed Luop Nor.

He's gob-smacked.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 05:13 PM (UOM48)

477 He's gob-smacked.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 10:13 PM (UOM4


Sounds like he needs his gob smacked a few times.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2012 05:14 PM (hQX3k)

478 480 171
I'm amazed they actually found a control group. How many private sector
workers get lifetime appointments making other people fill out forms?

Posted by: iowahawk at January 30, 2012 07:53 PM (veL4N)
Aren't you that guy who used to have a kickass blog - it was all intelligent and funny parodies, with a dash of hot rods and some serious statistical modelling?/sNew posts, please. Really - please
***
Yeah. I'm such an Iowahawk fan that I've been reluctant to speak up, but if I ever met the guy in a pub, I would probably, after a few pints, be exhorting him to refocus from the easy rewards of the short form, and return to the long form, where he is unequaled.

I grant that he's a seriously funny mofo on Twitter. But there are other funny people on Twitter, and there is no one in our age who has so dominated the long form of comedy as he has. He's our age's Twain/Mencken/O'Rourke, and he's been tragically distracted by Twitter. Makes me glad Twitter wasn't around when Twain was writing, or we would never have had Roughing It (my favorite Twain work).

Posted by: Splunge at January 30, 2012 05:15 PM (2IW5Q)

479 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 10:09 PM (niZvt)

Yeah, but I was beaten down by the uterus brigade. You sail away...free and easy!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:15 PM (nEUpB)

480
Looks like our resident batshit crazy paulbot is da house.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 30, 2012 05:16 PM (L3I4w)

481 @484: Oh for God's Sake, if you want the government to do things in a way that doesn't look completely like a Keystone Kops routine you have to pay people for their work. Get over it already! All the years the economy was good all I heard was snickers if I said I worked for Uncle Sam. Jeesh. BTW, CBO says on thing, the Office of Personnel Management says th COMPLETE OPPOSITE about federal pay. Are THEY lying? Are THEY incompetent? Are THEY making up statistics?? You like to think so, because CBO says what you want to hear!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:16 PM (niZvt)

482 Well, this old Moronette is off to bed. 

Still haven't heard a word from our kid since he arrived in Shitcanistan.

Yeah, I know he's busy. 

'Night, all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2012 05:16 PM (UOM48)

483 Yeeee haaaaaa

Posted by: Kid A @178.32.239.70 - Zurich at January 30, 2012 05:18 PM (sJA0d)

484 Jane D'oh, I've been a lazy slacker but I'm glad to see you back at AoS. You are a voice of reason in an insane world.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 30, 2012 05:18 PM (otfJ1)

485 Posted by: StPatrick_TN at January 30, 2012 10:08 PM (lJJMb)

He may be the funniest person on the internets.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:18 PM (nEUpB)

486 Yeah, but I was beaten down by the uterus brigade. You sail away...free and easy!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 10:15 PM (nEUpB)


Late to the thread but, srsly, CoolCzech is one charming muthafucka.  You could learn a lot from him.  Starting with removing the phrase "uterus brigade" from your lexicon. 

And I see I missed Iowahawk.  sadface . . .

Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 05:19 PM (cCiY7)

487 Yiiikessss sucks big ones... Nothing wrong with that though.

Posted by: Kid A @178.32.239.70 - Zurich at January 30, 2012 05:19 PM (sJA0d)

488 >>Been fighting PTSD ever since.
Never served in the military. Period.



Apparently this period thing is a lot more serious than I first thought.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2012 05:19 PM (ZJCDy)

489 I'm invisible.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 30, 2012 05:20 PM (4q5tP)

490 Spluge you are spot on! I have supervised labs for ultrasonography in both positions. At the fed job my employees did everything in there power to avoid doing their jobs. The union wouldn't allow me to discipline or fire them. Same type of techs in my current gig know that they have to be productive or they will be gone. A patient cancels, they get on the phone and quickly see if another scheduled patient would like to move their appointment up to today. Same training. Same studies. Why is it that the privately employed technician routinely completes 25-30 per cent more? And despite being busier, I get many compliments on my employees while at the fed hospital I got constant complaints about the rude dismissive lazy techs there. Idle hands. Devil's work. Minimal assembly required.

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 05:20 PM (57YDo)

491 @492: It's like this, Charlie: I didn't aim that joke specifically at a moronette. If I did, someone like Jane D. would take my head off. And you gotta remember: guys can joke with one another about things like "spit or swallow," because we're guys. Women can joke too, but never want to feel like the joker thinks they are tramps. When you you made that crack with mpfs, you made her feel that way. I knew the moment I read your post she would be upset... And I right. I'm not saying I'm perfect; sometimes I mess up too.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:22 PM (niZvt)

492 So, no ONT tonight?  Have we been bad morons, deserving of punishment?

Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 05:22 PM (cCiY7)

493 "Idle hands. Devil's work. Minimal assembly required. " The Help, the movie. Stupid Jade.

Posted by: Kid A @178.32.239.70 - Zurich at January 30, 2012 05:22 PM (sJA0d)

494 ONT withdrawl... O.o

Posted by: DarkLord sez FUS RO DAH! at January 30, 2012 05:23 PM (Fs7RJ)

495 I guess I could just think about Iowahawk and fap until the ONT shows up.  Nothin' on teevee tonight, what's a gal to do?

Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 05:24 PM (cCiY7)

496

Federal employees with a professional degree or doctorate received 18 percent lower total compensation than their private-sector counterparts, on average.

 

And that includes me. 

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at January 30, 2012 05:25 PM (C7KNt)

497 508 I guess I could just think about Iowahawk and fap until the ONT shows up. Nothin' on teevee tonight, what's a gal to do? Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 10:24 PM (cCiY7) Ummm... need a hand?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:26 PM (niZvt)

498 Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 10:19 PM (cCiY7)

You want a serious answer?

I have no idea of the sex of 99% of the commenters here. And I really don't care (There are some obvious nics -- anything with "chick in it is a tipoff. But even then, it's the internet: who really knows?). But I got an earful, apparently because I hurt the tender sensibilities of a woman regular. CoolCzech said that he thought that I was over the top, so based on his opinion (I respect him) I apologized. But that wasn't enough. Thus the "uterus brigade' comment.

I dislike having the sex card played...just like I dislike having the race card played or the religion card played.

I give you a ration of shit about being a Boston sports fan (all in good fun...I hope). You seem to handle it pretty damned well. Should I be more gentle because you are a woman?




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:26 PM (nEUpB)

499 Oh for God's Sake, if you want the government to do things in a way that doesn't look completely like a Keystone Kops routine you have to pay people for their work. Get over it already! Posted by: CoolCzech

Cool, I'm not sure of your drift other than the fact that we probably both agree that the Federal government is far too big. My entire point was that the essential parts of the Federal government under a Originalist / Constitutionally based understanding of it are not, repeat NOT, the problem here.

Really, do you think there are more than a handful of min-archists here? That's why I was responding to Budah's post which really came off as so off-topic and unnecessarily asinine.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 05:27 PM (+Jr2Z)

500 @weft cut loop - Sir, you raise an interesting issue. And I do agree with you. There is no way to avoid being tarred with the same brush. All I wish to raise it that there are elements of the gov that are truly working on the United States behalf. If, in your estimation, they are non productive and replaceable, that is possible. But you only lose the best, the worst find ways to plague you for years. If you go back to the original problem. I think we, again, agree.

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 30, 2012 05:28 PM (c8mH3)

501 Ummm... need a hand?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 10:26 PM (niZvt)


Take notes, CB's Dildo.  Charming, not skeevy, not insulting, not antagonistic. 

Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 05:28 PM (cCiY7)

502 ONT is up.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at January 30, 2012 05:29 PM (otfJ1)

503 503 At the fed job my employees did everything in there power to avoid doing their jobs. The union wouldn't allow me to discipline or fire them.
***
This is familiar. It's familiar because I read a book that was recommended on the AOS Sunday Book Thread, called A Savage Factory, about a Ford transmission plant, during the 70's, when all three (four?) American car manufacturers were producing utter crap, and getting their asses kicked by the Japanese. The reason they were producing crap was that their management-union adversarial processes would permit no other result, and the whole thing sounds just exactly like what you're talking about.

Posted by: Splunge at January 30, 2012 05:30 PM (2IW5Q)

504 @512: I guess I misunderstood where you were coming from; sorry. It just gets tiresome to be told over and over how overpaid I supposedly am. Especially when even the CBO says people with my degree are actually paid 18% LESS than in the private sector.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 05:30 PM (niZvt)

505 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 30, 2012 10:22 PM (niZvt)

Blow me.

Do I need a smiley face here?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:31 PM (nEUpB)

506 I give you a ration of shit about being a Boston sports fan (all in good fun...I hope). You seem to handle it pretty damned well. Should I be more gentle because you are a woman?

No need.  It's very hard to upset me -- it's the honey badger in me -- and, truthfully, I've always held a kind thought about you.  But we 'ettes tend to have one anothers' backs. 

So, no hard feelings?  Let's talk Sunday after the Pats complete their dominance of the NFL, eh? 

Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 05:32 PM (cCiY7)

507 @Weft, sorry I'm not R&D I'm ops. I take what I'm issued and attempt to make it work. My job can and does suck from time to time.

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at January 30, 2012 05:33 PM (c8mH3)

508 Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 10:28 PM (cCiY7)

So...should I ask whether someone is a man or woman before I make an off-color joke?

At some point we all need to accept the fact that this is the internet; that we are essentially unknowable, and that our skins must be, out of necessity, much thicker than in the real world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:35 PM (nEUpB)

509 There is no way to avoid being tarred with the same brush.Posted by: Jno Aubrey

I disagree; if we are to have an effective government, one that does not worship bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake, we must.

All I wish to raise it that there are elements of the gov that are truly working on the United States behalf.

Not a single commenter here, not a single one disagrees with that. How many here are either retired service memembers or related to one? Lots. Do you really think they are calling for all branched of government to be shut down?

If, in your estimation, they are non productive and replaceable, that is possible.

The entire Question™, such as it is, is what should the Federal government be involved in?  What parts of the economy should they actively disturb? The Founders had a pretty good idea and wrote a few things about it.

Equipment for the Navy and Army - This may be a thin limb here, but YES! A thousand times yes.

Effects of cocaine on fish?  Not so much.

The commenters here are not the 'ignorant fuckers' that Budah believes we are, so the righteous outrage is not only misplaced it's simply insulting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 05:36 PM (+Jr2Z)

510 Posted by: Peaches at January 30, 2012 10:32 PM (cCiY7)

I guess being dropped on your head as a child really toughened you up. It didn't do much for your intellect, but you must fit in really well at Red Sox and Patriots games.

And...Good luck!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at January 30, 2012 05:38 PM (nEUpB)

511 ... And yes, those limited areas that the Fed should be involved in does require accountants and lawyers and all sorts of professionals that are required by any large organization, private or public.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 05:40 PM (+Jr2Z)

512

weft cut-loop...

"Are you the only Federal Worker in the entire Federal government?"
No...I was commeting on just my personal experience with DoD. 

"Is the CBO lying or making up statistics?"
No they are comparing apples to oranges.   If you want to make a cross compariosn of wages and benefits compare the salaries and benefits to similar jobs.  The study states that when you do make that compariosn Professional Federal Employees are underpaid, though benefits will make up for most (referencing a study that came to that conclusion). 

"Do you believe that there is no level of centralized government too big for our country?"

I'm a Conservative.  I had the pleasure of voting for Jesse Helms and Reagan in the same election.  Government is too big, hell we can even cut defense.  It just has to be done corrrectly, but politics will enter and it will be a cluster...

"The DoD and defense-related RD is not the sum total of Federal spending. There's no point getting into an argument about it. "

Actually...unless entitlements get cut the only place you can really take a slice out is defense.  What it comes down to is personnel, cutting the federal workforce is the easiest way to do it....Congress will probably pass legislation requiring 3 retirements to 1 hire.  I can live with that...in fact I have planned for that possibility.

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:07 PM (K3X3O)

513 Don't blame the player, blame the game. /s

Posted by: Lazy Pub Union Member at January 30, 2012 06:09 PM (wl2vr)

514 524 ... And yes, those limited areas that the Fed should be involved in does require accountants and lawyers and all sorts of professionals that are required by any large organization, private or public. Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 30, 2012 10:40 PM (+Jr2Z) No question about it. And great thanks to those who undertake dangerous work like the prison jobs mentioned above. All I'm saying is that the government position rarely requires the same level of performance and usually involves much less risk (ie personal capital) and therefore will generally not be able to justify the same level of salary. Like I said, I worked several years for the government, and made at least FIFTY PER CENT less than my private colleagues. Am I offended about that? No- I'm honest enough with myself to know I was not nearly as efficient and hard working as I would ultimately have to become in private practice. Everything in life comes with tradeoffs. As for the idle hands comment- sorry if that upset you but it's entirely true. Workers in my employ now would not dare to treat a patient the way the ass hats at the VA routinely treated elderly veterans. I watched people there do less, sit around more and still they felt perfectly comfortable being hateful to the patients we were supposed to serve. Two particularly wretched examples were repeatedly protected by their union until they were seen striking a patient. Then and only then were we able to get them terminated. There are many decent folks who accept work for a state or federal agency- no question. I was one of them once and don't have a right to look down on anyone else who does likewise. But the quality of the work and the productivity will rarely come close to that of the private sector.

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 30, 2012 06:11 PM (57YDo)

515 If you want to make a cross compariosn of wages and benefits compare the salaries and benefits tosimilar jobs. The studystatesthatwhen you do make that comparison Professional Federal Employees are underpaid, though benefits will make up for mos t(referencing a study that came to that conclusion). Posted by: Budahmon

That alone is going to be necessarily impossible in that the Federal government has grown to the point where there are jobs, depts, entire agencies that the private sector would not create because they aren't needed outside of sovereign responsibilities.

How can we evaluate what a manager in the DoE makes compared to that of a non-defense contractor? You can't really.

We understand that certain branches of government may and will be necessarily more expensive than what *might* be an equivalent position in the private sector.

That's not the problem with outsized salaries. I repeat, we're not concerned about workers in mandated areas of the Federal government are earning. It's the Federal activities without mandate for centralized interference that have created imbalances and distortions in the labor market large enough to off-set the public-private payscales.

I'm a Conservative. I had the pleasure of voting for Jesse Helms and Reagan in the same election. Government is too big, hell we can even cut defense.

Like I said, I think this wasn't the best thread to start your introduction. We all agree that a smaller government would be better not only in terms of efficiency but in terms of acknowledging the strengths of a private economy and the strengths of the Constitutionally ordered Government that led to the most free, fair, and dynamic country the world has every seen.

Posted by: weft cut-reese at January 30, 2012 06:39 PM (+Jr2Z)

516

"The commenters here are not the 'ignorant fuckers' that Budah believes we are, so the righteous outrage is not only misplaced it's simply insulting. "

I said two people were ignorant, both for limited comprehensive skills. 

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 06:46 PM (K3X3O)

517 I said two people were ignorant, both for limited comprehensive skills. Posted by: Budahmon

I'm a DoD employee.....and you guys don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
...

Have you dumb fucks ever saw what a couple of dumbass sailors can do to a $2 million piece of HW.


Not quite, but again, it's not the point, is it?

Posted by: weft cut-reese at January 30, 2012 06:56 PM (+Jr2Z)

518 Well I can be verbose sometimes.....

Posted by: Budahmon at January 30, 2012 07:17 PM (K3X3O)

519 DoD employee who made the derisive comments above about USN sailors screwing things up on aircraft: One doesn't have to know the particulars of your complaint to know that anyone who makes such insulting comments about a group a kids who, having chosen to serve their country, passed an aptitude test (that most could not), have proven records of high moral standards in a society where this is lacking (passed background checks that would exclude most of their peer group), have the required education for entry into the service, made it through nine weeks of basic military training, graduated (meaning not failed) from months-long technical schools-- the absolute best technical training on the planet that not only is specifically tailored to the exact tasks they are required to perform, but also gave them hands on experience in performing those tasks before graduating, and then were sent to the fleet where they received the heart-warming news that they would start their new lives as highly trained aircraft technicians performing menial duties such as being the cook's runner boy, or cleaning toilets, taking out tons of garbage & etc (all from before sunrise till midnight) and showing proper discipline whilst doing these things, before they are allowed to work on a real-live aircraft. They work months under the tutelage of highly experienced & proven technicians before they are trusted to perform even the most menial tasks on their own. And they maintain these aircraft that fly constantly (high Op-tempo anyone?) in all weather conditions, in all environments, day and night, throughout the world, around the clock, surrounded by corrosive sea salt. Aircraft that land on and take off from steel decks, with forces and repetitions that would destroy most other MILITARY aircraft. So it takes a very special kind of self-centered, nitpicking, arrogant, misanthropic, self-important person to deride these kids, who often sleep in their work center amongst the fumes, noise and commotion, because they're too exhausted to go to bed (& what a loveless little bed, so far from home). So, if they do occasionally make mistakes, I'm sure most people with a proper outlook on the whole vast scheme of things would be willing to cut them a bit of slack. I'm also sure they do what they do better than any other segment of society, and that indeed they do not make many serious errors or mistakes. But, if you are compelled to complain about someone else to make yourself feel better, just think of all the kids who are not, or rather could not, do what these kids do every day. Think of all the OWS types, or the kids in their twenties & thirties still living at home being weaned from their mama's tit because, frankly, they're big fat pussies (male or female) & who know deep down that they're big fat pussies and would not make it a day in the navy. Or, think of all the other various and sundry worthless scum in our society who cannot compare to these fine sailors whom you ignorantly deride. Or, if all this is too abstract, just look in the mirror and think about what would cause a grown-up man to blame their own problems on kids like these.

Posted by: Andy Pandy at January 30, 2012 10:44 PM (nsG8U)

520

I did not deride anyone.  I stated a couple of dumbasses…What does a couple mean?  You don’t think people make stupid mistakes…..Here’s one for you.  Marine AH-1W Gunner pickles off the A-G rockets and the Pilot then reports a loss of communication between him and the gunner.  Wingman denotes that he saw a flash.  They return to land and I was contacted to investigate because I was already onsite performing a mod to a different platform.  The stubby wing tank had exploded.  Looked at what was left of the tank…arc tracks from rear of the tank to the fuel hatch.  Pilot and his CO were demanding that I do something….Asked Pilot if he had full wing tanks…He said sure….I asked him if he had transferred the fuel internally prior to pickling off the rockets…No was the reply….Picked up the NATOPS Manual and showed him the Warning in Big Bold Letters that stated not to fire rockets unless stub tanks were at a certain fuel level.  Never saw two Officers shut up so fast.  Reminded me of Emily Littela on Saturday Night Live …..Never Mind!  It was a hot day and the fuel had expanded causing it to leak from the hatch.  When the Gunner fired, the rocket ignition ignited the fuel vapor, caught the fuel on fire and then ignited the vapor within the tank, causing the tank to explode out through the front upper half of the tank.  Pilot/Gunner were very lucky the only damage was to the tank and the intercom wiring harness.  Point is everybody makes mistakes….even kids on Carriers who decide they do not need to use the special fixtures to move a fragile piece of gear that is very expensive.  Were they dumbasses yes…Why because they did not read the damn book (Pilot) or they did not take the time to go pull the correct SE out of the shop (sailors).   Those two sailors knew what to do but did not take the time to do it correctly and cost you, the Taxpayer not only the ~ $700 K it took to fix that gear, but also loss of a critical system for the time it took to repair. I've been in those kids shoes (enlisted Vietnam Era Vet), have you?  I would have got the damn gear and done my job.  You sound like you would give them a pass for being good kids….  I won’t, I call it like I see it.

 

I have made mistakes...early in my career I mad the call on a contract that was the wrong call.  I have never made that same mistake again.  Suffice to say I believed a Contractor due to a long working relationship with his company and him.  Never again...I don't trust the bastards as far as I can throw them!

 

Now my point was and still is that you cannot compare level of education between private and government and state unequivocally that government workers are overpaid.   You have to compare similar jobs.  I’ll give another example; I know an Artisan, best RF Technician in the world (IMHO), WG-12, 6 years in the Navy (80’s), high school diploma.  This study says he is overpaid because he only has a high school diploma.  I would lay money that he is a better Engineer than 90% of all RF Engineers in public or private sector…and I know a helluva lot of these guys…he is that good.   This one guy probably saves the government four times his salary every year and has done so every year for the past 25 years.  Could he go to private industry….yes he could, but he likes his job too much.  Where else in one day can you play with cutting edge technology and then work on something built in the 60s.  I am not going to BS and say we don’t do this job for the money and benefits…we do, but I take less salary and benefits for the security of knowing that I will not be laid off in the near future.  We also do it because we like the work for the most part and we put up with the BS.   The amazing thing is I, many of my peers and most of my personnel have turned down private sector jobs for far more money than we make now.   I also know many who come from the private sector and take less pay to work for the government.  But….that is DoD world…

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