March 31, 2015

Cathy Young: UVA, "Haven Monahan," and Rape Hoax Denialism
— Ace

It is the mark of a civilization on the verge of collapse and authoritarian catastrophe that so many things which are so obviously are so forbidden to be said.

Jackie lied. Period.

But you can't say it in Official America.

Four months after Rolling Stone magazine published a shocking--and soon discredited--account of a fraternity gang rape at the University of Virginia, the Charlottesville police department has released the results of its investigation into the alleged assault. It comes as no surprise that "no substantive basis" was found for the claim by a student known as "Jackie" that she was raped by seven men at a fraternity party as a UVA freshman in September 2012. What's striking is to what lengths both the police and many in the news media have gone to tiptoe around the obvious fact that the tale was a hoax by a serial liar. This dance of denial suggests that in the current ideological climate, it is nearly impossible to declare any allegation of rape to be definitely false.

But the evidence against her is damning. It’s not simply that there was no party at Phi Kappa Psi, the fraternity named by Jackie, anywhere near the time when she said she was attacked. It’s not simply that her account changed from forced oral sex to vaginal rape and from five assailants to seven, or that her friends saw no sign of her injuries after the alleged assault. What clinches the case is the overwhelming proof that "Drew," Jackie's date who supposedly orchestrated her rape, was Jackie's own invention.

Back in the fall of 2012, Jackie’s friends knew "Drew" as "Haven Monahan," an upperclassman who supposedly wanted to date her and with whom she encouraged them to exchange emails and text messages. However, an investigation by The Washington Post and other media last December found that "Haven's" messages were fake; the phone numbers he used were registered to online services that allow texting via the Internet and redirecting calls, while his photo matches a former high school classmate of Jackie’s who lives in a different state. No "Haven Monahan" exists on the UVA campus or, apparently, anywhere in the United States (at least outside romance novels). The catfishing scheme seems to have been a ploy to get the attention of a male friend on whom Jackie had a crush--the same friend she called for help after the alleged assault.

Sigh.

Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM | Comments (284)
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1 Mokita.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 31, 2015 01:19 PM (TF10X)

2 Lie shaming.

Posted by: NCKate at March 31, 2015 01:19 PM (y63s1)

3 Rape in the mind is still rape?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 01:20 PM (NUqwG)

4 Uhh, I have it on good authority that women lying about rape is a HOAX. Thats the exact word the SJW's use. It doesn't happen. Women have never lied about rape. Stop being so sexist and anti womyn, ace and everyone else who doubts this poor young womans version of events

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)

5 What clinches the case is the overwhelming proof that "Drew," Jackie's date who supposedly orchestrated her rape, was Jackie's own invention.

You don't know him.  He's from Canada.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (/kI1Q)

6 Wait until someone is arrested because he looks like the imaginary rapist!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (NUqwG)

7 Rape in the mind is still rape? Posted by: RioBravo Yes. It happens.

Posted by: Diana Troy at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (GuwT9)

8 For what (to them) availeth it to know That Truth is Falsehood - or that Bliss is Woe? Sweet was their death - with them to die was rife With the last ecstasy of satiate life - Beyond that death no immortality - But sleep that pondereth and is not "to be"!- And there - oh! may my weary spirit dwell - Apart from Heaven's Eternity - and yet how far from Hell!

Posted by: E. A. Poe at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (0Ew3K)

9 C'mon, there has got to be a lawyer willing to sue Jackie and Rolling Stone pro bono. This kind of stuff needs a harsh response.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (g1DWB)

10 Ahhh the good old reality based community. ace, I think it was you who noted that people are so invested in this because they do not want to admit that they were conned. Interesting connection to Scientology and the response to Going Clear, come to think of it.

Posted by: alexthechick -Totes existing and whatnot at March 31, 2015 01:22 PM (IrByp)

11 Susan Estrich even called the idea of women lying about rape the myth of the lying woman And shes way smarter than us, so...

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:23 PM (AkOaV)

12 Is that sigh because they incorrectly used Catfishing ace? Look on the bright side you can mention it again in this weeks podcast. I would really like to get to the real truth of this story though. A real investigation. Which of the things in the article were the lies that Jackie told. And which of the things in the article were lies that the "journalist" made up.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 31, 2015 01:23 PM (z/Ubi)

13 >>> It doesn't happen. Women have never lied about rape. Stop being so sexist and anti womyn, ace and everyone else who doubts this poor young womans version of events Absolutely true!

Posted by: Potiphar's Wife at March 31, 2015 01:23 PM (yRwC8)

14 Rape in the mind is still rape? Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 06:20 PM (NUqwG) You just triggered me you s**tlord!

Posted by: Diana Troy at March 31, 2015 01:23 PM (0Ew3K)

15 remember in The Guns of Navarrone how the traitor claimed she was raped by the Germans and her back was scarred up and they checked? and the other female then shot her in the head?

Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (n5fTN)

16 This girl is nuts. I hope that the fraternity sues her, Rolling Stone, and UVA into oblivion. She is a menace to young men everywhere.

Posted by: jmel at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (cfFqn)

17 5 What clinches the case is the overwhelming proof that "Drew," Jackie's date who supposedly orchestrated her rape, was Jackie's own invention. You don't know him. He's from Canada. Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 06:22 PM (/kI1Q) And he's a miniature horse trainer.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (z/Ubi)

18 It's not the truth of the allegations, but the SERIOUSNESS of the charge that matters.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (MMC8r)

19 But I felt raped.

Posted by: Jackie at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (8ZskC)

20 If they really cared about true rape victims they would denounce the lying liar Jackie. She has done so much damage to future rape victims with her hoax.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 01:24 PM (TLTHv)

21 I'm going to go with 'anyone who lives in her same local has standing to sue as they were hurt by the unnecessary loss of policing funds due to having to investigate false claims ..."

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at March 31, 2015 01:25 PM (nSOh+)

22 The tipoff to the University should have been that she never contacted the police.  That would have made her guilty of a felony.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 01:25 PM (wlDny)

23 Question: Is there a picture of Jackie somewhere? I lost interest in her story, but I think I need a picture of her to decide how I feel about the whole story...

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (AkOaV)

24 It did nicely highlight the lunacy running rampant on college campuses, though.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (MMC8r)

25 "remember in The Guns of Navarrone how the traitor claimed she was raped by the Germans and her back was scarred up and they checked? and the other female then shot her in the head?" So, you saying shoot Jackie in the head?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (LA7Cm)

26 And he's a miniature horse trainer. Armand's brother?

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (nSOh+)

27 Ace, you truly do deserve to take the rest of the day off.

Seriously.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (7Kbxu)

28 Refusing a woman's advances is patriarchal oppression.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (GsFeG)

29 A few weeks ago a commenter on this blog mentioned that "Jackie" is now a rape counselor at UVA. Can this possibly be true?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2015 01:26 PM (8ZskC)

30 Even though there's no evidence of rape, Jackie will be stoned for adultery anyway, because we don't hoax-shame.

Posted by: Muhammad at March 31, 2015 01:27 PM (GuwT9)

31 "Question: Is there a picture of Jackie somewhere? " Yes. Pretty decent looking too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2015 01:27 PM (LA7Cm)

32 Haven = a place where you are safe or protected from danger, a harbor.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at March 31, 2015 01:27 PM (NeFrd)

33 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 06:25 PM (wlDny) Well, we're told 25% of college women are raped, but FBI statistics say its like .01% of women, so to square THAT circle, they need to claim that thousands and thousands of women get raped at school every year but don't go to the police.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)

34 Haven Monahan. Last seen getting two women pregnant, one of whom was his step sister, whilst in a coma.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (MYCIw)

35 I especially love what feminists like Amanda Marcotte called those who distrusted Jackie's story: "rape apologists."

Yeah... to doubt her story was to endorse rape.

I'm sure we'll get an apology from those who lashed out at "rape apologists" just as soon as they admit Jackie was lying.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (TLTHv)

36 Was the guy also a campus Republican like the one who raped Lena Dunham?

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (KETbL)

37
   The "reality based community" operates from a fiction based reality.

   Therefor, you may simply disregard their reality. 

   And further, you may literally, physically, spit in their face.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (jeCnD)

38 Sometimes ace just doesn't get it. If we stigmatize fabulists for making up imaginary rapes, it might end up frightening other fabulists into not coming forward with their own accusations of imaginary rape, and then where would we be?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2015 01:28 PM (noWW6)

39 catfishing As a palate cleanser (and pants tenter) can we at least get a video of Kate Upton doing The Catfish?

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:29 PM (K4YiS)

40 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2015 06:27 PM (LA7Cm) link? And yes, that was where I was going with that line of thought. If she is attractive, then nevermind I don't get it. But that upperclassmen kid is probably thanking god every night that he never banged that chick, because think about how much worse it would have been if his DNA was anywhere near here and she wanted to accuse HIM of rape.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:29 PM (AkOaV)

41 jackie makes it that much more difficult to report she should be named and outed. shes the kind of girl who was a witness as the Salem witch trials these are the new withc trials

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2015 01:29 PM (zOTsN)

42 I keep wondering if SJWs will abandon the term "raped" as a term to describe these instances and move to "violated", or something similar, as a result of their crying wolf rape stories fizzling. Sort of how global warming has shifted to climate change; pick a broader term to encompass more slights and outrages. The more terms you can cover in your outrage, the more sanctimonious you are allowed to behave. Win win!

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 01:29 PM (yRwC8)

43 Did Jackie commit any crimes in her hysterical delusions, or did she merely embarrass herself? When will Sabrina Rubin Erdely resurface to answer for her ridiculous fiction?

Posted by: Lois Lerner at March 31, 2015 01:29 PM (LISuA)

44 Thou shalt not bear false witness.... There is a reason it is one of the oldest written laws...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 31, 2015 01:30 PM (qh617)

45 I read an article one time that 50% of all "reported" rapes were a lie.  It is rather common. And here the police would not rule it out even though they know it was a lie.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 01:30 PM (wlDny)

46 If you doubt her story, you're raping her all over again.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:30 PM (MMC8r)

47 Of course no one in the media are going to get upset over "Haven Monahan". No one in the media got upset over me, did they?

Posted by: Doodad Pro at March 31, 2015 01:30 PM (noWW6)

48 she is nuts some people are just nuts alot of kids who are nuts have it revealed in their freshman year when they are away from thier support she is nuts

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2015 01:31 PM (zOTsN)

49 Haven = a place where you are safe or protected from danger, a harbor.

That's some Lucas-grade obvious right there.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 01:31 PM (/kI1Q)

50 "link? " No linky but search "Jackie Coakley."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2015 01:31 PM (LA7Cm)

51 Sort of how global warming has shifted to climate change; pick a broader term to encompass more slights and outrages. **** Help, I've been "fundamentally transformed"!!

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at March 31, 2015 01:31 PM (NeFrd)

52 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2015 06:26 PM (8ZskC) Yes, thats how Rolling Stone first heard of her harrowing tale. She was and still is (I think unpaid, volunteer) a "rape counselor" on campus who used her story to help other "survivors" feel better. She also claimed in the original Stones article that the reason she came forward now is because every semester she hears of other freshmen girls going through the same gang rape situation at that house that she went through.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:31 PM (AkOaV)

53 UVA gave a her a job as a rape counselor or sonething as well.

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2015 01:32 PM (KETbL)

54 That name should have been a red flag.

Posted by: DIrk Thundermuscle at March 31, 2015 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

55 So sad. Jackie is mentally ill to be sure but it appears she had no notion of setting up a simple flat tire stranding her, or some basic 'I need some help to fix something?" situation to ask her crush to 'rescue' her and initiate some flirting?

Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 01:32 PM (dkExz)

56 What matters, I guess, is the narrative. Facts, not so much. Our world has gone completely nuts.

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 31, 2015 01:32 PM (LISuA)

57
a ploy to get the attention of a male friend on whom Jackie had a crush--the same friend she called for help after the alleged assault.



So, the guy on the right was le objet l'amour:

http://tinyurl.com/pn8efr6

Hate the game, not the playa.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2015 01:33 PM (kdS6q)

58 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 31, 2015 06:31 PM (LA7Cm) Nope. Not even with a stolen dick. She has "crazy pyscho who will break your xbox and get the cops called on you" written all over her.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)

59 to hell with that her crush prolly sensed she is off she is a nut case

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2015 01:33 PM (zOTsN)

60 They force their way until they can't.

Posted by: just bob at March 31, 2015 01:33 PM (WNERA)

61 Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 06:22 PM (NUqwG)

already happened.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 31, 2015 01:33 PM (zRby/)

62 I give her credit for an active imagination, and "Haven Monahan" is a pretty good fake name

Posted by: Dr Spank aka Finn McCallister at March 31, 2015 01:34 PM (i55o+)

63 Alternate post title: Giant Penis Cake

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at March 31, 2015 01:34 PM (iv3H6)

64 oops, wrong thread

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at March 31, 2015 01:34 PM (iv3H6)

65 Haven Monahan? Oh come on now.

Posted by: Alistair Clifford Boyle-DesRochers at March 31, 2015 01:34 PM (8ZskC)

66 So, the guy on the right was le objet l'amour: All that for THAT?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (MMC8r)

67 Giant Penis Cake works in every thread.

Posted by: Dr Spank aka Finn McCallister at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (i55o+)

68 Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 06:32 PM (dkExz) I've known chicks like her. It wasn't about getting the guy, it was about the attention. Getting a flat tire doesn't get you attention from professors, counselors, parents, roommates, friends, guys, whoever. I think a lot of young women in their late teens act like her -- maybe not to this extreme, but in my experience... yeah, chicks are nuts.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (AkOaV)

69 "Haven Monahan" is a pretty good fake name Posted by: Dr Spank aka Finn McCallister I've seen better.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (GuwT9)

70 STOP THE PRESSES!! A BALANCED STATE BUDGET IN THE STATE OF ILINOIS??? http://tinyurl.com/pkemgnu GAG ME WITH A SPOON!

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (EMi53)

71 Mark Steyn wrote an excellent column comparing fake rape victim to Lara Logan:
"Jackie's 'horrific gang rape' didn't happen, but to the media it's true because it fits the narrative. Lara's actual gang rape is true but to the media it didn't happen because it doesn't fit the narrative."

www.steynonline.com/6874/tale-two-rapes

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (TLTHv)

72 I think I got raped just reading this. You can't prove it didn't happen.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (ZPrif)

73 Is an imagined rape a sex fantasy that goes bad?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 01:35 PM (NUqwG)

74 Posted by: Dr Spank aka Finn McCallister at March 31, 2015 06:34 PM (i55o+) You think? Eh... I've seen better.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)

75 Haven Monahan?? Really?

Posted by: Seymour Butz at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (NeFrd)

76 FOR REALSIES, folks: U.C. Berkeley has a new law which compels the campus police department to publicize any and all rape reports made to the department, before they are even investigated. Immediately upon this new law coming into effect late last year, there was a barrage of bizarre Jackie-esque rape claims against frats -- none of which has since been prosecuted (probably because they were all fake claims). But nonetheless, the campus cops put out press releases about each "incident," accompanied by dire warning about rape culture (the warning also being part of the new law). And here's the thing: many of the accusations were lodged anonymously by third parties not present at the scene. Which is also hunky dory now (to encourage more reporting "when you hear about it.") So: Why not start making anonymous reports of sexual assault at the Gender Studies Department? No naming of actual names -- we don't want to ruin real people's real lives (as they did to some frat boys). Instead, we want to impugn the entire department as a Rape Zone. Give them a taste of their won medicine. The cops by law MUST publicize these rape claims. All previous claims made it to the MSM due to the cops' press releases. How sweet it would be to hear in the MSM of crazed lesbian rapists raping innocents in the teachers' lounge of the Gender Studies Dept.?

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (K4YiS)

77 She living in a Romance Novel?

Posted by: just bob at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (WNERA)

78 /i knew a girl who had hysterical blindness in college this is a form of stalking in a way did I say she is nuts

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (zOTsN)

79 And see..... If Gays could just get wedding cakes... This would never happen!!!

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 31, 2015 01:36 PM (qh617)

80 I'd like to believe this rape hoax and false rape stat push will have blowback where men are better protected by law from rape accusations (and false accusations are more heavily punished) but I know better. And yeah womens is crazy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)

81 Re suing - wouldn't that allow the sleazy lawyers defending Rolling Stone, et al. to go after the fraternity members, demanding personal information for "discovery"?  Unless I knew that "Jackie" would have to serve the same jail sentence as her ersatz-rapists, I wouldn't put myself through the hell.

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (fMQoG)

82 Haven Monahan --------- Isn't that standard masturbatory procedure?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (NUqwG)

83 She also claimed in the original Stones article that the reason she came forward now is because every semester she hears of other freshmen girls going through the same gang rape situation at that house that she went through. So then the frat has a special endowment for glass table replacements?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (8ZskC)

84 Rape hoaxing may be a Class 3 Misdemeanor under a vaguely worded Va. law: 18.2-209. False publications. Any person who knowingly and willfully states, delivers or transmits by any means whatever to any publisher, or employee of a publisher, of any newspaper, magazine, or other publication or to any owner, or employee of an owner, of any radio station, television station, news service or cable service, any false and untrue statement, knowing the same to be false or untrue, concerning any person or corporation, with intent that the same shall be published, broadcast or otherwise disseminated, shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.

Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (LISuA)

85 In addition to the frat, I think her friends have a case as well. Identifiable to those who know them and what made many people doubt this story is because if it was true, then she had the worst friends on the planet. She absolutely painted them in a false light that made the planet believe they were sociopaths.

Posted by: alexthechick -Totes existing and whatnot at March 31, 2015 01:37 PM (IrByp)

86 I remember the olden times when ladies bought vibrators instead of making up fake boyfriends.

Posted by: Dr Spank aka Atticus Brundage at March 31, 2015 01:38 PM (i55o+)

87 "A charge so serious, even innocence should not be considered as a defense." This is where we are now. Good Lord.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 31, 2015 01:38 PM (3F6F8)

88 >>> UVA gave a her a job as a rape counselor or sonething as well. That was a foolish move. If the guy rule is don't sleep with crazy, the university rule is never hire crazy. You can never get rid of them, even if they are totally incompetent, because when you try to, if they are a minority they can sue you for every dime. Thus cowing the university to keep them hired in perpetuity. Like I needed MORE proof our betters in academia are idiots.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 01:38 PM (yRwC8)

89 Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2015 06:33 PM (zOTsN) Yep. He seems to be an excellent judge of character. When the story first came out, I was like... hmm... freshman year... girl throwing herself at you... no girlfriend... whats wrong with this dude? Why didn't he just pull the trigger? Then it's like... oh yeah, she looks like a fucking pyscho who should be avoided at all costs. Now I get it. He's probably turning to his buddies now saying, "SEE assholes?! See why I didnt bang her? Now apologize for calling me a homo."

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:38 PM (AkOaV)

90 Why not start making anonymous reports of sexual assault at the Gender Studies Department? So like swatting? Or in this case, twatting?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:38 PM (MMC8r)

91 Can we use Jackie's real name yet?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:39 PM (ZPrif)

92 Why some lawyer from the fraternity alumni is not making tens of millions suing UVA and RS I don't understand.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at March 31, 2015 01:39 PM (WGm5T)

93 .

That Haven dude was real, he also wore purple boots and was the campus republican.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 31, 2015 01:39 PM (ODxAs)

94 What's sp fake sounding about "Haven Monahan?"

Posted by: Wadsocash McListener at March 31, 2015 01:40 PM (vgIRn)

95 Giant Penis Cake

Is it chocolate?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 01:40 PM (/kI1Q)

96 That Haven dude was real, he also wore purple boots and was the campus republican. Posted by: Guy Mohawk I listened to his radio show all the time.

Posted by: George Glass at March 31, 2015 01:40 PM (GuwT9)

97 Can we use Jackie's real name yet? Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 06:39 PM (ZPrif) Is it out there?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 31, 2015 01:40 PM (V+kmg)

98 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (KCxzN)

99 88 Somebody upthread indicated she had the job even before she made the report.Don't know if that is true.

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (KETbL)

100 Is it chocolate? Marble.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (iv3H6)

101 >>She living in a Romance Novel?

Heh.
There's a French movie "He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not" where the first half of the movie is a sweet romance from a pretty young girls's perspective (the lovely Audrey Tatou, who was so great in "Amelie") and the second half is her "lover's" point of view, where it turns out the gal is a crazy stalker who has imagined the whole relationship. It's good, and quite creepy

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (TLTHv)

102 95 If it's giant it would have to be,right?

Posted by: steevy at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (KETbL)

103 Is it chocolate? Asian...yellow and small.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (iv3H6)

104 Can we use Jackie's real name yet? *** Shirley Ujeste

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at March 31, 2015 01:41 PM (NeFrd)

105 The best penis cakes are red velvet.

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Sawyer Rancone at March 31, 2015 01:42 PM (i55o+)

106 90 Why not start making anonymous reports of sexual assault at the Gender Studies Department? So like swatting? Or in this case, twatting? Posted by: Zap Rowsdower Well, it would be theoretically like Swatting, except that the campus cops at this stage don't even give much effort to these claims, since they have learned that they're a political ploy and are almost never true. So no cops will be descending on the gender Studies Dept -- they'll merely have to issue official press releases describing in detail the allege crime -- an allegation they are likely to ignore in reality. But the press release will make the local papers. That's the goal -- the public shaming -- rather than actual Swatting.

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:42 PM (K4YiS)

107 I hate the media. I pulled out the Matt Shepherd fake hate crime in response to some FB repost of "why IN state RFRA law is not like the other 19 states" Just posted that this same media told me Matt was killed because gay when the fact were a meth dealer was murdered by a couple of meth-heads and he was incidentally gay. I fell for it at the time too. I knew it was not the way WY was, and it was unfair for the media to paint the whole state as homophobic for the actions of 2 people but only learned when the book was publicized a year or 2 ago that is was just meth violence on a dealer.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 01:42 PM (dkExz)

108 Rapey Tuesday is here again!

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2015 01:43 PM (I8YZX)

109 You're all a bunch of sexist haters!

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 31, 2015 01:43 PM (Bn6aD)

110 It is the mark of a civilization on the verge of collapse and authoritarian catastrophe that so many things which are so obviously true are forbidden to be said.

I will make you king of all you can see, just bow down and worship me.

Posted by: Lucifer, father of Lies at March 31, 2015 01:43 PM (ZbV+0)

111 I had wondered from the outset of this why it was that the newsroom at the _Washington Post_, of all the unlikely places, seemed to be expressing a greater than usual degree of skepticism about the bullshit claims by "Jackie". And I'm grateful to several of the Horde for clueing me in on this: that a whole lot of people on the masthead at the Post have sent their own kids to UVA, and don't want the reputation of the school nor the prestige of their kids' degrees to be tarred with the brush of a fake scandal. The unspoken implication here, of course, is that identically false and outrageous allegations by a different "Jackie" type at a different university would probably never have yielded anything like the same level of doubt or digging at the WaPo. It's all about whose ox is being gored.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2015 01:44 PM (noWW6)

112 If Bruce Jenner was a baker in Indiana, could I force him to bake me a dick cake?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2015 01:44 PM (8ZskC)

113 107 I hate the media. I pulled out the Matt Shepherd fake hate crime in response to some FB repost of "why IN state RFRA law is not like the other 19 states" Just posted that this same media told me Matt was killed because gay when the fact were a meth dealer was murdered by a couple of meth-heads and he was incidentally gay. I fell for it at the time too. I knew it was not the way WY was, and it was unfair for the media to paint the whole state as homophobic for the actions of 2 people but only learned when the book was publicized a year or 2 ago that is was just meth violence on a dealer. Posted by: PaleRider You are STILL in a state of naivite: Not only was Matthew Shephard's murder a meth deal gone bad, BUT HIS KILLERS WERE ALSO GAY, and at least one of them was in a sexual relationship with Shephard. So, yeah, there goes the homophobia gay-bashing angle, since the killer was gay too.

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:44 PM (K4YiS)

114 @80 I'd like to believe this rape hoax and false rape stat push will have blowback where men are better protected by law from rape accusations (and false accusations are more heavily punished) but I know better. --------------------- Sooner or later we're going to see the following - Guy is dating a girl, and likes her, but has traditional mores and doesn't want to jump in bed with her yet (could be waiting until they're married, or might just think that he wants to make sure that he *really* likes her that way first). Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) in their circle of friends knows this, so there's no argument about it afterwards. She, on the other hand, doesn't want to wait. She gets impatient, gets him drunk, and "persuades" him to sleep with her. The next morning he realizes what's happened, gets disgusted with her, and dumps her. She claims rape. While the rules are supposedly built to handle a situation like this, the sad fact of the matter - and everyone knows it - is that the system will destroy the guy. With the way that it's implemented right now, it can't do anything *but* destroy the guy.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 01:44 PM (UWFpX)

115 Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 06:42 PM (dkExz) Here's how young I am... When I was in high school, we had a mandatory thing where we had to go watch some "performing artists" recreate the Mathew Shepard murder and the hatred of snowbillies from WY, then we had an assembly to talk about it. It was pretty ... weird. Especially considering that we now know he was killed over meth and that he'd had a (ahem) relationship with one of his murderers before that night.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)

116 Especially considering that we now know he was killed over meth and that he'd had a (ahem) relationship with one of his murderers before that night. Yeah, but they still use to bash people over Gay hate...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 31, 2015 01:46 PM (Bn6aD)

117 The unspoken implication here, of course, is that identically false and outrageous allegations by a different "Jackie" type at a different university would probably never have yielded anything like the same level of doubt or digging at the WaPo.

Right. And not only would the WP not have bothered to dig, it would have been over on the other side actively egging on the SJW lynch mob.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2015 01:46 PM (I8YZX)

118 "Maybe Jackie was attacked by a loco exercise band comprised of child penises and love"  -- Harry Reid

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Jasper Jones at March 31, 2015 01:46 PM (i55o+)

119 In most States filing a false felony report with the police is a felony itself. But she did not do that.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 01:46 PM (wlDny)

120 Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 06:44 PM (UWFpX) Sooner or later? That happens now. Lots of "recanted" (when the real police get involved) rape allegations that basically follow that pattern. Girls regret having sex, tell a friend they were raped, friend tells the school, kid gets kicked off campus.... cops get involved, story is recanted. Everyones happy except the kid who got expelled from college and has on his record that he was accused of rape. His life is ruined, but hey... patriarchy.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:47 PM (AkOaV)

121 "If we stigmatize fabulists for making up imaginary rapes, it might end up frightening other fabulists into not coming forward with their own accusations of imaginary rape, and then where would we be?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2015 06:28 PM (noWW6)"



Thread winner!

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at March 31, 2015 01:47 PM (WGm5T)

122 97 Can we use Jackie's real name yet? Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 06:39 PM (ZPrif) Is it out there? Posted by: Sean Bannion Too bad her mother lost to Charlie Baker!

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:48 PM (K4YiS)

123 Posted by: mynewhandle I remember that brainwashing session. Only we didn't get a live performance, we had to watch the hackie, ham-fisted HBO original movie.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at March 31, 2015 01:48 PM (GuwT9)

124 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 06:46 PM (wlDny) Right. Which is why it's imperative that if a girl comes to a school administrator and says she was raped, the first call is to the real cops. Get her on record, fill out a police report, get a rape kit done. If she was raped, that'll help convict the asshole, and if she wasnt, then that should be used to convict the girl (although it rarely is)

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:48 PM (AkOaV)

125 Is Jackie a Jewish girl? Because no one wants to have sex with Jewish girls!

Posted by: Trevor Noah, the unfunny unjewish comic at March 31, 2015 01:48 PM (iv3H6)

126 Catfishing. Gabe hardest hit. Don't blow up, those of you that don't listen to the podcast.

Posted by: Golfman at March 31, 2015 01:49 PM (48QDY)

127 119 In most States filing a false felony report with the police is a felony itself. But she did not do that. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 31, 2015 06:46 PM (wlDny) and how many times do they prosecute for this??? A law which is not enforced... is not a Law.

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 31, 2015 01:49 PM (qh617)

128 Speaking of hoaxes, did Jews plan 9/11?

Posted by: Trevor Noah, the unfunny unjewish comic at March 31, 2015 01:49 PM (iv3H6)

129 Is it out there? - Jackie's real name has been out there within days of the story breaking. Places like Gotnews.com and PatDollard and others published. My understanding is she's still a rape crisis counselor at UVA.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:50 PM (ZPrif)

130 Ummmm, Jackie? Sweetie? If you need a man to do the big dirty with its called THE NAVY They will hook you up

Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 31, 2015 01:50 PM (40WkV)

131 Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at March 31, 2015 06:48 PM (GuwT9) I'm sure my school paid good money for the live action version. The thing is, even though I didn't know the story was bullshit, it really struck me as bullshit at the time. Especially watching them re enact the whole thing. Its like... "well, why did the kid get in the car with these people anyways? Why didn't he run? Why did they just randomly kill him with no motive?" They tried to make it look like a lynching, essentially. That was the take away.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:50 PM (AkOaV)

132 A law which is not enforced... is not a Law. NOW you're catching on, wingnut.

Posted by: Barky I Numbnuts at March 31, 2015 01:50 PM (8ZskC)

133 Is it rapey Tuesday already?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 01:50 PM (lmdHn)

134 The only possible punishment for Jackie is to be named and shamed. But that does require naming her.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:51 PM (ZPrif)

135 Ah, our weekly ration of rape is here. Thanks Ace. Your te best.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 31, 2015 01:51 PM (KB6If)

136 Remember that campus rape case that had five BLACK suspects that came out about the same time that we never heard about again? Grand jury chose not to indict. http://tinyurl.com/purgcsc Amazing what we never hear about again, and what we're STILL hearing about.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:51 PM (MMC8r)

137 @120 Lots of "recanted" (when the real police get involved) rape allegations that basically follow that pattern. Girls regret having sex, tell a friend they were raped, friend tells the school, kid gets kicked off campus.... cops get involved, story is recanted. ------------------------ I know what you're describing happens. But what I'm describing is a bit further. The guy in my hypothetical actually has a reputation for not wanting to rush into sex, and his girlfriend has to get him drunk and pressure him (which is what we're constantly told is date rape - when it's done to a woman) in order to get him to have sex.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 01:51 PM (UWFpX)

138 >>> The only possible punishment for Jackie is to be named and shamed. But that does require naming her. Bring me back, you know you want to...

Posted by: The Stocks at March 31, 2015 01:52 PM (yRwC8)

139 Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 06:51 PM (ZPrif) Why aren't people publishing her name and picture? I thought the "we protect sexual assault victims privacy" thing was for, you know, sexual assault victims, of which jackie coakley was not. She is not a victim, she is the aggressor here who tried to ruin the lives of hundreds of people with her lies.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:52 PM (AkOaV)

140

Aw man...rape?! And I just came up with this great gay wedding cake joke.

Oh well, now you'll never know.

Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (wAQA5)

141 It doesn't matter if a rape is real or not. "Rape Culture" is the revealed truth, and men must be punished. They are necessarily guilty, and whether they actually did anything or not is just a tiny hurdle imposed by The Patriarchy™.

Posted by: The Rapey Hat at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (0Ew3K)

142 Le Sigh

Posted by: Henri, le Chat Noir at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (rwI+c)

143 Thou shalt not condemn the bearer of false witness.

Posted by: Trevor Noah, the unfunny unjewish comic at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (iv3H6)

144 >>Amazing what we never hear about again, and what we're STILL hearing about.

I know, right?

Posted by: Ghost of Hannah Graham at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (TLTHv)

145 My friends, we have nothing to fear with fake rape stories in Rolling Stone.

Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at March 31, 2015 01:53 PM (WGm5T)

146 Zombie, its true I did not read the book that revealed the Matt Shepherd lie and only knew the barest outline of the case facts(meth dealer and meth users). Still its a technique the left uses all the time. I'd love to have a source of various media hoaxes so I could just riff through a contents listing and then post "The media lied to me about W back in 2000, so now I don't trust that they are telling the truth about X"

Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 01:54 PM (dkExz)

147 137. The guy in my hypothetical actually has a reputation for not wanting to rush into sex, and his girlfriend has to get him drunk and pressure him The guy's only hope is to find his own kind It's called the Air Force

Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 31, 2015 01:54 PM (40WkV)

148 Why aren't people publishing her name and picture? -- GotNews.com did. In the early days when some still though it might not be a hoax. Of course, that sparked a big fight between much of the new media Right and @chuckcjohnson, the guy who runs GotNews.com. Pretty sure even some of the cob-loggers here got into it with him on twitter.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:55 PM (ZPrif)

149 Get her on record, fill out a police report, get a rape kit done. If she was raped, that'll help convict the asshole, and if she wasnt, then that should be used to convict the girl (although it rarely is) _______________________ The Charlottesville cop actually referred to Jackie Coakley as "a survivor" at one point. Survivor of what? The non-existent gang rape at the non-existent frat house party, orchestrated by her non-existent date? How exactly does one "survive" events that never happened?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 01:55 PM (lmdHn)

150 Our colleges weaponize victimhood, real or not.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (MMC8r)

151 Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 06:51 PM (UWFpX) I can't find it on google, but something very similar did happen. I think it was in NJ. Girl was friends with a guy for years, but had a boyfriend. She and boyfriend broke up, and shes all over her friend at a party. He doesnt want to "ruin the friendship" (and he says, essentially, he was a nervous virgin loser type) and was worried she'd get back with ex. Weeks later, she comes over, drunk, and brings booze. They drink, have sex (while the roommate is in the room, IIRC), she ends up back with her boyfriend, he hears she was screwing around with her friend and she tells him it was rape. He gets expelled, she refuses to press charges with the police. Eventually she admits it was consensual and she was the aggressor in that sexual relationship. His life is ruined.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (AkOaV)

152 The fact that Havan Monahan shares an apartment with Craven Morehead should have been a red flag for Jackie.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (e/W+h)

153 I wanna see my picture on the cover I wanna buy five copies for my Mother I wanna see my smiling face on the cover of the Rolling Stone

Posted by: Jackie Coakley at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (GuwT9)

154 Thou shalt not condemn the bearer of false witness. Posted by: Trevor Noah, the unfunny unjewish comic at March 31, 2015 06:53 PM (iv3H6) Thou shall not bear false witness is an optional commandment, only for even days not ending in a Y. Because, you know, the patriarchy.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (yRwC8)

155 >>Still its a technique the left uses all the time. I'd love to have a source of various media hoaxes so I could just riff through a contents listing and then post "The media lied to me about W back in 2000, so now I don't trust that they are telling the truth about X"


It's happening right before our eyes with Michael Brown. Think our kids won't be taught that "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative is true?

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (TLTHv)

156 Apropos of nothing, I always thought that Susan Estrich could probably boink you eyeballs out of your head.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (rwI+c)

157 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 06:55 PM (lmdHn) survivor of the white patriarchy.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:56 PM (AkOaV)

158 Too bad her mother lost to Charlie Baker! Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 06:48 PM (K4YiS) Srsly???

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 31, 2015 01:57 PM (V+kmg)

159 Gojira or SMOD?

Much like cake or death.

And either preferable to this current climate of totalitarianism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 01:58 PM (rSBBR)

160 How exactly does one "survive" events that never happened?

-------------------------

You survive but you don't survive, survive.

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at March 31, 2015 01:58 PM (WGm5T)

161 Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2015 06:56 PM (TLTHv) I'm sure they've already added a chapter about this period of US history to the textbooks. And yes, of course the Gentle Giant Michael Brown and Saint Trayvon the Innocent are the heroes of those stories.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)

162 I'd love to have a source of various media hoaxes so I could just riff through a contents listing Posted by: PaleRider The Internet isn't big enough for that. I tried to make a compendium of the lies and hoaxes promulgated during just three weeks in 2006 (during the Israel-Hezbollah War), and the project took me over 6 months and was never completed! (http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/) A complete list of all hoaxes, stacked end to end, would reach the moon and back seven times.

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 01:58 PM (K4YiS)

163 Craziest thing at UVA. The UVA prez suspended all the frats and has instituted strict new alcohol and party control regs to prevent future Jackies. But the same time this happened, there was an actual young white freshman girl was killed (and, I think, raped) by a black serial killer/rapist. She got drunk at an off-campus party and the killer offered her a ride home UVA has done nothing to prevent that in the future. Media has spent 1000x more time talking about a fake gang-rape than an actual serial killer/rapist that preyed upon local young women. It's madness.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 01:58 PM (ZPrif)

164 Posted by: Henri, le Chat Noir at March 31, 2015 06:53 PM (rwI+c) ***** Aaaackkk... boule de poils

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at March 31, 2015 01:59 PM (NeFrd)

165 Anthony Weiner tried this same pathetic stunt, except with photos of his cock.

Posted by: Fritz at March 31, 2015 01:59 PM (ty633)

166 Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 06:55 PM (ZPrif) Well... It's a tough one when the woman might actually be a victim of a gang rape. So I understand not publishing her name early on. But everyone acknowledges she made the whole thing up at this point, right? So...

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)

167 Is her name Jackie Coakley?

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Kai Cason at March 31, 2015 01:59 PM (i55o+)

168 It's happening right before our eyes with Michael Brown. Think our kids won't be taught that "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative is true? Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2015 06:56 PM (TLTHv) The big lie. The more blatantly false it is, the more people will believe that is has to be true. http://tinyurl.com/qypmmou

Posted by: The Big Hat at March 31, 2015 02:00 PM (0Ew3K)

169 I'm willing to bet Jackie's' high school friends would have some stories to tell.

Posted by: Ktgreat at March 31, 2015 02:00 PM (Bl4dy)

170

It was oral sex. No, it was vaginal rape. By 5 guys. Wait. No, 7 guys,

Gawd, I'm getting so hot.

Posted by: Jackie at March 31, 2015 02:01 PM (wAQA5)

171 Is it rapey Tuesday already? Goodbye rapey Tuesday. Who could hang a name on you.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2015 02:01 PM (W5DcG)

172 Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Kai Cason at March 31, 2015 06:59 PM (i55o+) Yes. Which is why "Jackie" was such a clever pseudo name. Who would have ever put 2 and 2 together on THAT one?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:01 PM (AkOaV)

173 >>Still its a technique the left uses all the time. I'd love to have a source of various media hoaxes so I could just riff through a contents listing and then post "The media lied to me about W back in 2000, so now I don't trust that they are telling the truth about X" It's happening right before our eyes with Michael Brown. Think our kids won't be taught that "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative is true? Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2015 06:56 PM (TLTHv) OMG just had a terrible thought. Once a Michael Brown play is out ("Hands Up Don't Shoot) they will pair it with The Laramie Project (the Matthew Shepherd play) in every school. Mandatory. Considering "documentaries" like Inconvenient Truth are already mandatory in science classes, it is any wonder our kids are so messed up? The actual truth is so different now from the spun narratives, that I bet kids who actually learn and accept the truth DO feel like they are taking the red pill.

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (yRwC8)

174 It was oral sex. No, it was vaginal rape. By 5 guys. Wait. No, 7 guys, Gawd, I'm getting so hot. Posted by: Jackie at March 31, 2015 07:01 PM (wAQA5) At least with 5 Guys you get free peanuts...

Posted by: 5 Hats at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (0Ew3K)

175 "I'd love to have a source of various media hoaxes so I could just riff through a contents listing and then post 'The media lied to me about W back in 2000, so now I don't trust that they are telling the truth about X'" There indeed ought to be a definitive compendium. One starting point should be _Getting It Wrong: Ten of the Greatest Misreported Stories in American Journalism_, by Campbell.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (noWW6)

176 I'm betting her last name is Meoff.

Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (wAQA5)

177 I saw the Mathew Shepard play as well. So much narrative.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (MYCIw)

178 you are not allowed to talk about this unless you give credit to the ginger ////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 31, 2015 02:02 PM (u8GsB)

179 >>But the same time this happened, there was an actual young white freshman girl was killed (and, I think, raped) by a black serial killer/rapist. She got drunk at an off-campus party and the killer offered her a ride home

If you're referring to Hannah Graham, she was abducted while at a shopping mall.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 02:03 PM (TLTHv)

180 Posted by: Ktgreat at March 31, 2015 07:00 PM (Bl4dy) Oh, I'm sure. That kind of crazy doesn't come out of a vacuum. To be honest, I feel really bad for her parents. I'm sure they knew she was a crazy serial liar, but from all indications they believed her gang rape story for YEARS. YEARS. They had to live with "knowing" that their daughter was violated in the most horrific vile way possible. I'm sure that was horrible for them. Then for it to all turn out to be a lie? Whoa...

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:03 PM (AkOaV)

181 LizLem oh that ain't the half of it -

The Rachel Corrie/Matthew Shepperd/Michael Brown play in three parts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:03 PM (rSBBR)

182 Lena Dunham's rape story wasn't even rape by any reasonable standard, and none of the people who want to believe such things even noticed.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 02:03 PM (MMC8r)

183 That is so depressing Zombie. I'll have to content myself with the really big hoaxes that were later revealed as such. I kind of understand why the 'useful idiots' vs the actual evil left are that way. I had known for a long time that the media spins and slants tone etc to favor the Dems but in 2008 when I realized they were getting away with not reporting inconvenient facts at all and making up conservative crimes out of the teeniest verbal slips it was a blow to my psyche to realize that my worldview had been manipulated and was not correct and it took me a while to regain equilibrium.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (dkExz)

184 Posted by: Lizzy at March 31, 2015 07:03 PM (TLTHv) She was hanging out at the bars in CVille. The guy picked her up right outside one of them as she stumbled back home in the direction of the campus. Horrible story.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (AkOaV)

185 Is her name Jackie Coakley? _______________ That is the name that has been reported on the blogs that have investigated her. Apparently she was a known fabulist, with a history of making up stories about herself, going back to at least her high school days.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (lmdHn)

186 Maybe Hillary could hire her as a press secretary.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (MMC8r)

187 Michael Brown play is out ("Hands Up Don't Shoot) they will pair it with The Laramie Project (the Matthew Shepherd play) in every school. Mandatory. Considering "documentaries" like Inconvenient Truth are already mandatory in science classes, Coming soon : the remake of Hoosiers starring Gaye Cakebaker.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (W5DcG)

188 Soylent Rape is people! It's made out of people!

Posted by: wooga at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (AO98W)

189 115Posted by: PaleRider at March 31, 2015 06:42 PM (dkExz)

Here's how young I am...

When I was in high school, we had a mandatory thing where we had to go watch some "performing artists" recreate the Mathew Shepard murder and the hatred of snowbillies from WY, then we had an assembly to talk about it.

It was pretty ... weird.

Especially considering that we now know he was killed over meth and that he'd had a (ahem) relationship with one of his murderers before that night.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 06:45 PM (AkOaV

 

Some time back Maet had a bit on the ONT about 2 false stories and how long it took for the truth to come out.  One that is a liberal favorite, one conservative.  T

 

he liberal one was the Matthew Shepard murder and how it took years for the truth to really come out for that. 

 

The conservative one was the story of Cassie, the girl that was murdered at Columbine after supposedly being asked if she believed in God and when she said "Yes" they shot her.  That one took much less time to determine that there was no evidence it occured. You know since it didn't support the media narrative they needed to get to the truth and report it much faster.

 

What I found interesting is how these stories of martyrs demonstrate a mindset.  Shepard was viewed as a victim all the way through.  And he's a martyr to the liberals because he is a victim.  Cassie stood up for her beliefs and she's a martyr for Christians/conservatives not because of her being a victim but because of an action she supposedly took.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2015 02:04 PM (z/Ubi)

190 177 I saw the Mathew Shepard play as well. So much narrative.



Matthew Shepard is a hero -- Meth Dealers Of America

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Kai Cason at March 31, 2015 02:05 PM (i55o+)

191 Say, why do jews make great judges??

Because they love to ad-jew-dicate~!

*HONK-HONK* *DING-DING*

... no, seriously folks, do what you love. AMIRITE??!!

Posted by: Trevor "Shecky" Noah[/i] [/b] at March 31, 2015 02:05 PM (JBzwC)

192 Horst Weasel died,
To push a lie


Come fellow travelers, join in the sing along.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:05 PM (rSBBR)

193 >>She was hanging out at the bars in CVille. The guy picked her up right outside one of them as she stumbled back home in the direction of the campus.

My bad. But yeah, still a horrible story.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at March 31, 2015 02:06 PM (TLTHv)

194 it can't be said? then SAY it all the social media just say it

Posted by: Feh at March 31, 2015 02:07 PM (g/zj9)

195 ATC has a podcast?

Sweet Jesus.

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Chip Van Nostrom at March 31, 2015 02:07 PM (i55o+)

196 I can't specifically remember why, but back when the Rolling Stone article was still fresh, some of the stuff I read about the article caused me to suspect that Jackie wasn't the only one to blame there. I also came to the conclusion that Erdley had "improved" Jackie's story when she wrote it up for the article. And also from what I recall, it wouldn't have been the first time that Erdley got in trouble for doing something like that.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 02:07 PM (UWFpX)

197 Myschvantz. That's it. Jackie Myschvantz

Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 02:07 PM (wAQA5)

198 181. The Rachel Corrie/Matthew Shepperd/Michael Brown play in three parts. The first part would fall flat

Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 31, 2015 02:07 PM (40WkV)

199 How exactly does one "survive" events that never happened? Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 06:55 PM (lmdHn) Ah.... but you don't understand... Its like Survivor, the game show... you know... Lie and Cheat to win?

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 31, 2015 02:08 PM (qh617)

200 The Rachel Corrie/Matthew Shepperd/Michael Brown play in three parts. I saw it. Act I really fell flat and Act II sucked dick. But they really nailed the target in the big finale.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at March 31, 2015 02:08 PM (8ZskC)

201 The Rachel Corrie/Matthew Shepperd/Michael Brown play in three parts. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 07:03 PM (rSBBR) I have seen the future and it terrifies me...

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 02:08 PM (yRwC8)

202 195. Sweet Jesus Jesus has nothing to do with it

Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 31, 2015 02:09 PM (40WkV)

203 Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 07:07 PM (UWFpX) Yes, Erdely seems to specialize in stories that perfectly fit the media narratives, but rely exclusively on anonymous sources. I believe one of her more famous ones was a middle aged single mom who worked as a prostitute. All fake names throughout, even the location "was changed." Which is why some people wondered if Jackie really existed in the early days of this story. Because if this author uses fake names and anonymous sources for everything, how do you fact check it?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:09 PM (AkOaV)

204 What happens when a dirty Jew with an erection walks into a brick wall? He breaks his nose! Hahahaha, you love me because I'm half black, just like the fabulous Barack Obama!

Posted by: Trevor "mullatos are infinitely cool" Noah at March 31, 2015 02:09 PM (K4YiS)

205 But the same time this happened, there was an actual young white freshman girl was killed (and, I think, raped) by a black serial killer/rapist. ________________________ Jesse Matthews, the black cab driver/hospital orderly who raped and murdered Hannah Graham, Morgan Harrington, and who knows how many other young women in C-ville, didn't fit the preferred meme. He was a young black male, working class -- not a member of the entitled white male patriarchy. Publicizing his horrendous crimes would have been raaaaacist, because it's always raaaaacist to note that black on white violent crimes are much more common than white on black violent crimes.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 02:09 PM (lmdHn)

206 If you're referring to Hannah Graham, she was abducted while at a shopping mall. -- No, the Downtown Mall is an outdoor shopping/dining area in Charlottesville. Not a normal shopping mall. And she was there late at night getting drunk with her friends.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 02:09 PM (ZPrif)

207 With all the kidnapped and exploited children that get rolled into the sex trade, you'd *think* these fucking assholes would reprioritize.... But then you realize most of the fuckers are pedophiles and drug users from the outset and you go:

"Oh... yeah... forgot that part"

Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 02:10 PM (NUCTk)

208 Ya'll should see Trayvon Martin, The Musical, it ends with a bang.

Posted by: Dr Spank AKA Chip Van Nostrom at March 31, 2015 02:10 PM (i55o+)

209 Blah, dumb work computer eliminating my paragraph breaks.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2015 02:11 PM (z/Ubi)

210 Trayvon Martin, The Musical

Heard the reviews were a brutal beatdown.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:11 PM (rSBBR)

211 When life hands you more Hillary & Jackie & gay mafia than you can stand ... Baby Ducks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SVBUdPjDWk

Posted by: Adriane the Life Sucks Critic ... at March 31, 2015 02:11 PM (nSOh+)

212 6. Wait until someone is arrested because he looks like the imaginary rapist! Wait until someone is tried, convicted and sentenced to prison because he is the imaginary rapist.

Posted by: Jack at March 31, 2015 02:12 PM (53CCM)

213 Listen homeboys don't mean to bust your bubble / But girls of the world ain't nothing but trouble

Posted by: Fresh Prince of Rape at March 31, 2015 02:12 PM (AO98W)

214 Yep. That's the best way to get a man. Call him up and tell him you just got raped by 5... no, 7 guys. Works every time.

Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 02:13 PM (wAQA5)

215 Wait until someone is arrested because he looks like the imaginary rapist! __________________________ We didn't have to wait long!

Posted by: Duke Lacrosse guys at March 31, 2015 02:13 PM (lmdHn)

216 If Jackie is not prosecuted (for what, I don't know) then it's mocking real rape cases. Why should I give a shit if someone says they're raped when no one is serious about the real serious crime of rape.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 31, 2015 02:13 PM (A98Xu)

217 Which of the 3 parts does rachel corrie play?  the head or the torso?

aw just funnin... but fuck it:  If you throw  yourself in front of a bulldozer then yer just crow food.

Stupid ass.

Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 02:13 PM (NUCTk)

218 it's 'Monaghan' -- with a 'G', but the 'g' is silent. 

Posted by: the Gaelic nazi at March 31, 2015 02:14 PM (8CdUx)

219 Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 07:13 PM (wAQA5) Yeah, that part never made sense to me. How exactly did she think THAT would play out with her crush? "I had to give blowjobs to 7 guys! It was horrible! Lets grab some drinks and hang out at your place next weekend, what do you think?"

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)

220 #204 Noah can sympathise,

Posted by: Jack at March 31, 2015 02:14 PM (53CCM)

221 Horst Weasel died, To push a lie Come fellow travelers, join in the sing along. If you insist... https://youtu.be/k76IGLi6jWI

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 31, 2015 02:15 PM (m9V0o)

222 At UC Berkeley, this all happened in the same week: Bizarre claim of an improbable mass rape by white frat boys at a frat. (Got tons of publicity.) Bizarre claim of white boy drugging a girl unconscious and then raping her in front of everyone. (Got tons of publicity.) Bizarre claim of frat boys raping each other. (Got tons of publicity.) Extremely believable claim of white girl followed into a campus building by a black would-be rapist who tried to rape her but fled when she screamed. (Got NO publicity, even with real evidence and even though there remained a probable rapist on the prowl on campus). The Narrative trumps all. Even the threat of real rape is unimportant compared to The Narrative.

Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 02:15 PM (K4YiS)

223 While the rules are supposedly built to handle a situation like this, the sad fact of the matter - and everyone knows it - is that the system will destroy the guy. With the way that it's implemented right now, it can't do anything *but* destroy the guy.


The legal system works pretty well if you're guilty - you have a 90% chance of being convicted. Sadly it doesn't work worth a crap if you're innocent; you have that same 90% chance of being convicted. After all the courts and juries don't really know if you're guilty or not, and the fact is prosecution works just as well against the innocent as it does against the guilty.

If you think the legal system works correctly - back up your belief with action; volunteer to be a control case to test the legal system. Have the state charge you with being a child molester and then you can tell us how the rest of your life works out for you.

Hey, you're innocent aren't you - what have you got to worry about?


Posted by: [/i] [/u] [/s] [/b] An Observation at March 31, 2015 02:15 PM (Azj5O)

224 and with that:  have to head off to a briefing some negligible import.

U critters stays afe.

Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 02:15 PM (NUCTk)

225 Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 07:13 PM (NUCTk) as someone who has driven (non armored) bulldozers... yeah, the operator wouldnt even feel her as he drove over. Never a smart move to try to stop a bulldozer with your body. Bulldozers win 10 out of 10 times.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:15 PM (AkOaV)

226 #204 (Sorry about the messed up post at 220.) Noah can identify, the same thing happened to him.

Posted by: Jack at March 31, 2015 02:16 PM (53CCM)

227 As Derschowitz said, nothing excuses rape, not even innocence.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at March 31, 2015 02:16 PM (XrHO0)

228 Oh no, Tango Nine. The feminists are mad, actually angry that Christians have taken the lead in fighting human trafficking. They are getting their icky Christianity all over their pet cause.

Posted by: Ktgreat at March 31, 2015 02:16 PM (Bl4dy)

229 Zombie why not?

Janet Reno when she was DA for Miami-Dade managed to get a few people sent to prison for child abuse at day car centers.  While the day care centers were open and plenty of people around.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:16 PM (rSBBR)

230 97 Can we use Jackie's real name yet?

Yes, it's OK use Jackie Coakley's real name.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2015 02:17 PM (I8YZX)

231 Yep. That's the best way to get a man. Call him up and tell him you just got raped by 5... no, 7 guys. Works every time. _______________________ LOL. Yeah, Jackie thought her little metrosexual housemate would change his mind about wanting her if he found out she'd just sucked off 7 random guys in a frat house. 'Cuz nothing says "kiss me" like . . . . well, never mind.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 02:17 PM (lmdHn)

232 @216 If Jackie is not prosecuted (for what, I don't know) then it's mocking real rape cases. -------------------- Legally, she can claim whatever she wants so long as she doesn't file a police report. And since she has refused to provide the police with any information - including the filing of a report - she hasn't broken any laws. The only possible legal action would involve the fraternity that she accused taking her to court for slander.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 02:17 PM (UWFpX)

233 Bizarre claim of frat boys raping each other.

Are you homophobic if you believe it, or homophobic if you don't believe it?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 02:18 PM (/kI1Q)

234 Crusade against slavery or the modern term 'human trafficking' why does the name Wilberforce pop to mind.  Oh yeah, a principled Christian who said 'This is wrong.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:18 PM (rSBBR)

235 @219 Yeah, that part never made sense to me. How exactly did she think THAT would play out with her crush? ----------------------- She was expecting him to white knight her.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 02:19 PM (UWFpX)

236 "I had to give blowjobs to 7 guys! It was horrible! Lets grab some drinks and hang out at your place next weekend, what do you think?" Because feminist theory is that all men secretly want to rape, and this way she is letting him know she is a seven time pro at being raped. And probably no gag reflex.

Posted by: wooga at March 31, 2015 02:19 PM (AO98W)

237 Are you homophobic if you believe it, or homophobic if you don't believe it? Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier Yes.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at March 31, 2015 02:19 PM (GuwT9)

238

"I had to give blowjobs to 7 guys! It was horrible! Lets grab some drinks and hang out at your place next weekend, what do you think?"

.........................

I like trains.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 31, 2015 02:19 PM (wAQA5)

239 219 Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 07:13 PM (wAQA5)

Yeah, that part never made sense to me. How exactly did she think THAT would play out with her crush?

"I had to give blowjobs to 7 guys! It was horrible! Lets grab some drinks and hang out at your place next weekend, what do you think?"

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 07:14 PM (AkOaV)

 

He was involved in some rape support/awareness group or whatever they were calling it.  So she was hoping to use her "sexual assault" as a reason for him to want to comfort and take care of her.  You know, a little bit of Munchausen syndrome.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2015 02:19 PM (z/Ubi)

240 "She was expecting him to white knight her." Exactly. "Oh, this horrible thing happened to me. I can't be alone right now. Will you hold me and sleep over tonight?"

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 02:20 PM (MYCIw)

241 "She was expecting him to white knight her." Exactly. "Oh, this horrible thing happened to me. I can't be alone right now. Will you hold me and sleep over tonight?"

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 02:20 PM (MYCIw)

242 Just thought I'd mention that the Iran negotiations deadline has come and gone without and agreement. So naturally, Obama unilaterally decided to continue the negotiations. Stuff like that used to be sort of a big deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2015 02:20 PM (g1DWB)

243 Oh no, Tango Nine. The feminists are mad, actually angry that Christians have taken the lead in fighting human trafficking.
They are getting their icky Christianity all over their pet cause.

Posted by: Ktgreat at March 31, 2015 07:16 PM (Bl4dy)

...because liberals have done such a great job... ya....

It's a point of, well.

I'll kill 'em where I find them.

Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 02:20 PM (NUCTk)

244 Stuff like that used to be sort of a big deal.

Yeah, but MIKE PENCE.  Where are your priorties?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 02:21 PM (/kI1Q)

245 The legal system works pretty well if you're guilty - you have a 90% chance of being convicted. Sadly it doesn't work worth a crap if you're innocent; you have that same 90% chance of being convicted. I keep coming back to that hilarious satire which was the Deep Space 9 episode, "Tribunal". http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/star-trek-deep-space-nine-tribunalthe-jemhadar-81535 Once again, justice will be done. Our lives will be reaffirmed, safe and secure. Here on Cardassia, all crimes are solved, all criminals are punished, all endings are happy. Even the poorest of our subjects can walk the streets in the dead of night in perfect safety. You're only one man; but your conviction will be a salutary experience for millions.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 31, 2015 02:21 PM (AVEe1)

246 ... well, it was hilarious at the time.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 31, 2015 02:21 PM (AVEe1)

247 ...of course meaning pedophiles and those that traffic thusly.

I take a dim view of murderers, rapists, and people that exploit children and, welp, is that it is.

Posted by: TangoNine at March 31, 2015 02:23 PM (NUCTk)

248 Where are your priorties? Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 31, 2015 07:21 PM I had priorities, once. It was the best weekend of my life...

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 31, 2015 02:23 PM (KCxzN)

249 You know the feminists don't actually care about human trafficking since they refuse to actually do anything to stop it because, abortion.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 02:24 PM (MYCIw)

250 You know the feminists don't actually care about human trafficking since they refuse to actually do anything to stop it because, abortion.

Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 02:24 PM (MYCIw)

251 #219 and others below "I had to give blowjobs to 7 guys! It was horrible! Lets grab some drinks and hang out at your place next weekend, what do you think?" Just sayin', but that works for a lot of gay men.

Posted by: Jack at March 31, 2015 02:24 PM (53CCM)

252

Bizarre claim of frat boys raping each other.

............................

Did they bring a cake?

Posted by: wth at March 31, 2015 02:24 PM (wAQA5)

253 'Cuz nothing says "kiss me" like . . . . well, never mind. Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 07:17 PM (lmdHn) Exactly. "Oh, this horrible thing happened to me. I can't be alone right now. Will you hold me and sleep over tonight?" Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 07:20 PM (MYCIw) Uhh... not to be an insensitive jerk here, but uh.... what he said. I can't imagine a quicker way to make me not want to hook up with a girl then for her to say she'd just sucked 7 d's. Even if I felt horrible for her and comforted her, the LAST thing I would want to do is kiss her. I think I've said enough on this topic though, I don't want to trigger anyone with my microaggressions.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)

254 noodt

Posted by: Trevor Noah, the unfunny unjewish comic at March 31, 2015 02:25 PM (iv3H6)

255 Jean Francois Cary nuclear wedgie post up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 31, 2015 02:26 PM (rSBBR)

256 One of the worst parts of this story is her idiot friend, Randall, the guy she was crushing on, saying that it didn't matter that she lied bc real rapes do happen. The only good to come from this whole thing is that no guy on that campus is going to go anywhere near her.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 31, 2015 02:26 PM (KB6If)

257 Looks like another conservative news/opinion site is on the way. Mark Krikorian @MarkSKrikorian 11m11 minutes ago .@NeilMunroDC leaves @DailyCaller, may run new news site of Laura @IngrahamAngle http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/laura-ingraham-to-launch-news-site-204801.html

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 31, 2015 02:26 PM (ZPrif)

258 #241 Pretty much any pretty girl would have had me at, "Oh...."

Posted by: Jack at March 31, 2015 02:26 PM (53CCM)

259 LOL. Yeah, Jackie thought her little metrosexual housemate would change his mind about wanting her if he found out she'd just sucked off 7 random guys in a frat house. 'Cuz nothing says "kiss me" like . . . . well, never mind. Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 31, 2015 07:17 PM (lmdHn) Too much hurt/comfort Twilight fanfiction? And yes, I'm sure it's out there. And no, I don't plan on ever reading it. But apparently Jackie did...we can't prove she didn't right?

Posted by: LizLem at March 31, 2015 02:26 PM (yRwC8)

260 Legally, she can claim whatever she wants so long as she doesn't file a police report. And since she has refused to provide the police with any information - including the filing of a report - she hasn't broken any laws. The only possible legal action would involve the fraternity that she accused taking her to court for slander. Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 07:17 PM (UWFpX) ------ Thank you, that's about what I thought could happen. They really should do it, and do it in the name of real rape victims. Talk about your narrative.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 31, 2015 02:27 PM (A98Xu)

261 Uhh... not to be an insensitive jerk here, but uh.... what he said. I can't imagine a quicker way to make me not want to hook up with a girl then for her to say she'd just sucked 7 d's. Even if I felt horrible for her and comforted her, the LAST thing I would want to do is kiss her.

I think I've said enough on this topic though, I don't want to trigger anyone with my microaggressions.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 07:25 PM (AkOaV)

 

Clerks.  Dante' freaking out over how many guys his girlfriend admitted to giving head to.

Posted by: buzzion at March 31, 2015 02:27 PM (z/Ubi)

262 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 31, 2015 07:21 PM (AVEe1) I like the line from Hogans Heroes better. "General Burkhalter, I deserve a fair trail!" "You will have a fair trial, after which you will be shot"

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:27 PM (AkOaV)

263 Exactly. "Oh, this horrible thing happened to me. I can't be alone right now. Will you hold me and sleep over tonight?" Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 07:20 PM Is this "holding" before or after we get back from the Waffle House?

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2015 02:28 PM (KCxzN)

264 OT, going back to Iran saying that destroying Israel is nonnegotiable - what, exactly, are we still doing at the table? Discussing whether to relocate the Israeli Jewish and, I assume, Christian populations; or just to let them drift in the wind as ash?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 31, 2015 02:28 PM (AVEe1)

265 @253 Uhh... not to be an insensitive jerk here, but uh.... what he said. I can't imagine a quicker way to make me not want to hook up with a girl then for her to say she'd just sucked 7 d's. Even if I felt horrible for her and comforted her, the LAST thing I would want to do is kiss her. ------------------- The kissing would come much later. She just wanted to move past the "friend zone", which is where he'd decided to leave her. So she apparently came to the conclusion that "vulnerable rape victim" would open get them some non-sexual emotional intimacy that she could parlay into a romantic relationship further down the road. Obviously, it didn't work.

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 02:29 PM (UWFpX)

266 Posted by: Seems Legit at March 31, 2015 07:27 PM (A98Xu) Sue Rolling Stone, UVa, Jackie, etc. and say you're donating 90% of the money to some rape organization. That'd be a tough one for the SJWs and MSM to spin.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

267 Obviously, it didn't work. Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 07:29 PM (UWFpX) Uh, has that ever worked? Damsel in distress, sure... but claiming a gang rape? I don't know, I'm probably an insensitive pig on this one, but I don't think that would have ever worked on me.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:30 PM (AkOaV)

268 oh, oops, nood.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 31, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)

269

Exactly. "Oh, this horrible thing happened to me. I can't be alone right now. Will you hold me and sleep over tonight?"
Posted by: Lauren at March 31, 2015 07:20

............................

Sure, OK hugs over. I'll sleep on the couch. G'nite.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2015 02:31 PM (wAQA5)

270 @267 Uh, has that ever worked? Damsel in distress, sure... but claiming a gang rape? I don't know, I'm probably an insensitive pig on this one, but I don't think that would have ever worked on me. ---------------- I'm confident that it's done the first part - i.e. the "non-sexual emotional intimacy" part. Couldn't tell you whether the second part of it has ever been achieved. But even the first part would have been more than she had at the time (or has now).

Posted by: junior at March 31, 2015 02:32 PM (UWFpX)

271 "Haven Monahan" sounds like a character from a daytime soap opera.

Posted by: Ktgreat at March 31, 2015 02:34 PM (Bl4dy)

272 222 Bizarre claim of frat boys raping each other. (Got tons of publicity.) Posted by: zombie at March 31, 2015 07:15 PM (K4YiS) They're taking this "Greek Life" thing a little too far.

Posted by: rickl at March 31, 2015 02:35 PM (sdi6R)

273 So ultimately we are subject to... the female version of the Jon Lovitz character. And we're all to afraid to call her out as pathological. Dandy.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at March 31, 2015 02:45 PM (cIoI4)

274 For some reason I am in doubt of the veracity of this "Haven Monahan" name.

Posted by: Generalissimo Francisco Franco at March 31, 2015 02:50 PM (wJliR)

275 I'll say it. Jackie lied, period.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at March 31, 2015 02:55 PM (6myQW)

276 You know how I know Ace doesn't really care about Jackie and her lies: He knows Jackie's real name. But he won't post it. Jackie is a metaphor for what is wrong with the Republican Party, and Ace of Spades. He won't name her.

Posted by: someguy at March 31, 2015 03:04 PM (3z91g)

277 Continuing from my last comment, and expanding: Ace: You are the problem. You write under the banner of SLITTING FUCKING THROATS and you're too fucking frightened to write this fucking lying bitch's name in a post about her. You are no slitting throats, my friend. And yet you want Republicans to fight your battles for you. Man up, fuckhead. You can't run an anonymous blog, full of fear, and put skulls at the top of it. It reeks of pussy.

Posted by: someguy at March 31, 2015 03:07 PM (3z91g)

278 punch up! punch up! but only at the end of a dead thread where the host won't read it and HE's the pussy

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 31, 2015 04:04 PM (AVEe1)

279 So why no defamation suit?

Posted by: iblis at March 31, 2015 04:32 PM (ZAk/h)

280 I thought the mark of a civilization on the verge of collapse was the fact that the Rolling Stones are going on tour again.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 31, 2015 04:36 PM (t//F+)

281 Jan Brady never claimed George Glass organized her rape. Those were simpler times.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 31, 2015 04:55 PM (CeRRg)

282 and HE's the pussy Yep. You have to admire the balls on an anonymous commenter on a blog willing to fight The Man like that.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 31, 2015 05:18 PM (rwI+c)

283 'But you can't say it in Official America.'
- Ace

But you can't say that in Amerika.

There. Fixed it for ya.

PF.


Posted by: pixiesfan at March 31, 2015 06:59 PM (JIW96)

284 Why are we still calling her "Jackie?" She presumably has a full, given name. Why the continuation of protection that she does not deserve? Why aren't we using her full given name at this point?

Posted by: holygoat at March 31, 2015 09:51 PM (t3wLW)

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