November 29, 2008

BSG: The Final Episodes
— Gabriel Malor

Battlestar Galactica returns in January. Here's the new promo:

Looks "meh." Not BSG's best half-season promo.

Also, two recurring characters will come out of the closet in the webisodes available online in December and on the SciFi channel in January. No word on whether their relationship will be seen during actual episodes of the show. Find out who likes to smoke cock here. I never liked those characters.

From the Comments:

Season 1 - fantastic
Season 2 - fantastic
Season 3 - first few episodes and last few episodes were fantastic (the assault on New Caprica alone makes this season worth owning), everything in between was crap. I believe they were trying to draw in new viewers by sticking in more episodic fare rather than stick with the serialized storytelling that hooked people like me at the beginning of the series. Big mistake.
Season 4 - so far, fantastic.

I agree with J Foster. Despite the occasional misstep, this remains my favorite current TV series and I'd recommend it for those who haven't seen it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 08:48 AM | Comments (47)
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1 Meh - any chance to see some hot Kara Thrace is good for me.

Posted by: Jim62sch at November 29, 2008 08:56 AM (6rQXk)

2 It's pretty clear that the whole "let's have two characters become openly gay in a webisode 4 months before the end of the show, and have it play no part in the main story" is nothing but PR pandering. The only time shows with large casts need to show relationships is when they are part of the storyline, but since this isn't, I can't understand the inclusion. The show has been pretty terrible anyway, so bring on Stargate Universe!

Posted by: G-dawg at November 29, 2008 08:59 AM (mzfP0)

3 I saw the mini series on vacation a few years back..  and the first two episodes..

water and 33 minutes.

I thought it was fan-fucking-tastic..

and that's been it..  I have no cable and two little kids to run after.. 

is it worth getting Netflix to catch up on the series?

Or should I stick with Lost instead. 


Posted by: DaveC at November 29, 2008 09:04 AM (8RR8X)

4 gay outing in a webisode sounds like shark jumping

Posted by: Frank G at November 29, 2008 09:04 AM (P0rQD)

5 DaveC, stick with Lost.  With BSG, you can watch it and practically hear the discussion in the writer's room, "So how can we drag this storyline out?"  (That was Season 3 Lost, not Season 4.)  I guess I'll stick with it to see the (non-ghey) reveals that I've been promised, but that's it.  I've heard talk of a spinoff.  Not for me.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2008 09:13 AM (GlrN/)

6 I don't watch TV but I bought the full cd set for the first few seasons.  Somewhere I lost interest as it became more and more a liberal playbook.  Got better things to do now than watch this kind of crap.  This "outing" gimmick seems like a desperate attempt to revive interest in a failing series.  Too bad.

Posted by: DaMav at November 29, 2008 09:21 AM (X2qWM)

7 the second season of Lost was that.. the 'Oh crap, how can we do this much filler?'

this last season was good..  and I can only expect it to go on if only because the ending is somewhat mapped out..


Posted by: DaveC at November 29, 2008 09:33 AM (8RR8X)

8 is it worth getting Netflix to catch up on the series?

Yes!!  I ran through the first three seasons via netflix in the span of two weeks.  Very intense.

Posted by: Nyctalus Lasiopterus at November 29, 2008 09:38 AM (EPSru)

9 Most people I know love the show.  However, they pretty much all agree that doing away with 1/2 of the plot development and have it replaced by more space battles would make it an even better show.

Posted by: Chad at November 29, 2008 09:42 AM (E2GpM)

10 yes GET THE NETFLIX SERIES!!! The episode in which Kara leaves Lee after a romp on the ground, is explained MUCH BETTER,"unfinished business", IIRC,  there is an EDITED scene in there that didnt make it to tv that made my hardcore friend forgive Kara FINALLY! for that scene alone it is worth watching!

and thank Gawd it is coming back, Caprica looks interesting as well

post on it here:
http://tinyurl.com/5sq4go

CAPRICA promo here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlhlHwXjj0




Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2008 09:43 AM (BUrWo)

11 BSG got lame last season and now is going to be an even worse crapfest the rest of the way through: a shame for a show that really started out so well.

Posted by: Dave J at November 29, 2008 09:44 AM (qsGH+)

12 on the second season, the series was massively interfered with by the network, it wasnt until season 3 that we got the freedom of writing back and with it, the very intense character exploration that makes BSG what it is- a series with a beginning middle and end spread across several years of writing, and not episodes that solve themselves like the prototypes of scifi...

Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2008 09:45 AM (BUrWo)

13 well let's hope JJ Abrams now that he is done remaking ST into something without the Rodenberry loyalty, yeah his interview with Entertainment Weekly pixxed me off,  can finish LOST and get us the hell off the island or all on the island, the last season of LOST was uhm not up to par let's say...

Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2008 09:47 AM (BUrWo)

14 Season 1 - fantastic
Season 2 - fantastic
Season 3 - first few episodes and last few episodes were fantastic (the assault on New Caprica alone makes this season worth owning), everything in between was crap. I believe they were trying to draw in new viewers by sticking in more episodic fare rather than stick with the serialized storytelling that hooked people like me at the beginning of the series. Big mistake.
Season 4 - so far, fantastic. Don't care if Gaeta and Hoshi like to take it in the launch tube and can't see how it would impact the storyline. We've already been down the gay road in this show; Admiral Cain munched Gina the Cylon's carpet. Unlike the Gaeta and Hoshi business, this had at least a passing relevance to the story as it moved towards explaining Cain's mental state.

BSG has been my favorite show since it started. I expected to hate it. Now that the Shield is over I'm running out of stuff to watch, so I'm looking forward to seeing how they wrap up the story. I just hope there aren't any more Hendrix covers.

Interesting side note: if you're a gun  aficionado it's fun to watch and pick out the wide assortment of real-world firearms that are being used by various characters. I was thrilled when the Marines started carrying Beretta CX4 carbines, which I know from experience shoot like a dream.

Posted by: J Foster at November 29, 2008 10:01 AM (6aQu7)

15 Hmmppff.  having Gaeta and Hoshi come out like this seems just as hokey and unnecessary as Dumbledore turning out to be gay at the last moment in the Harry Potter works,

The whole point of good story telling (as that wingnut Stephen King put it) is to get the viewers/readers to suspend disbelief and become immersed in the story.  This kind of stunt jars them back out.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 29, 2008 10:09 AM (YYanS)

16 Hmmmm.

You know for such a small percentage of the overall population this gay thing is really starting to fucking annoy.

Why does every goddamn thing in the universe have to include someone being gay?

As an asian I don't see anybody going "Oh fuck!  We need some slant-eyed motherfucker in this script because there's this big ass goddamn -hole- right here in this script where it just screams out -include a slant-eyed motherfucker-!".

Now I can be bought off but only if there's a seriously Asian guy in the next run of "Oklahoma!"  And no being gay either.  It's fucking "Oklahoma!" not "Oklahomo!".

So says the Asian commenter on this blog.

Posted by: memomachine at November 29, 2008 10:19 AM (f4Zt4)

17

I was bicurious.

Gad, the old saying is true: cast a thousand spells and you're a spell-caster.  Suck just one guy's wand and you're a cock-sucker.

Posted by: Dumbledore at November 29, 2008 10:19 AM (8WOzU)

18 Also, two recurring characters will come out of the closet

You know, when I first read that, I thought, "But there's only *one* Cylon left!"

Bo - ring.

Posted by: Asher Abrams at November 29, 2008 10:46 AM (mbePX)

19 But you know, I hate to admit it but it doesn't matter.  I am just a hopeless BSG addict, and I'm gonna be glued to that screen come 2009-01-16 no matter what.

Posted by: Asher Abrams at November 29, 2008 10:48 AM (mbePX)

20 I literally gave up near the end of Season 3.  Skipped the weird movie thing, too.  Worth catching up?

Posted by: someone at November 29, 2008 10:48 AM (1wXl7)

21 This Thanksgiving, we were given the option of watching the Battlestar Galactica space soap opera, or watching gay porn with my mother, father, wife, and children.

I voted for gay porn.

Posted by: Kevin at November 29, 2008 10:50 AM (KO6dP)

22 There are only a handful of good BSG episodes, in my view, but those few episodes (such as the bookends to Season 1) are among the best that TV has to offer.

Posted by: Rob at November 29, 2008 10:50 AM (pHNui)

23 #15 - so true. It would be the equivalent of Han Solo telling Luke after he destroyed the Death Star, "Great shot, kid! That was one in a million! And I enjoy the taste of penis!" That being said, Gaeta is gay? Shocker. He had the whole Smithers thing going on when he was executive bitch-boy on New Caprica. I would not be suprised if he commissioned a nude portrait of Baltar that he keeps in his locker.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2008 10:57 AM (bu0Ek)

24 How anyone could possibly watch this show after the episode in Season 3 (?) where they decide not to take the opportunity to wipe out the Cylons because of Helo's "impassioned" plea that he enjoyed knocking boots with one is beyond me. Lazy, lazy writing. Plus all that 'ripped from the headlines' garbage about insurgents and suicide bombings was just too much ignorant moral-equivalence-bullshittery for any thinking human. What a pile of crap BSG turned into, after a pretty decent start.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2008 10:57 AM (Wip+q)

25 memomachine, YOOOUUU. WRIIIIITE. EEENNNGLISH. VERRRRRYYYY. WEEEELLLLLL.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2008 10:58 AM (bu0Ek)

26 So if it doesn't matter to the story line, then why do it?  Trying to say that it will appeal to your audience?  Or trying to say your audience won't care?  AGAIN -- then why do it?  Why does every show have to have "the gay episode"? 

Posted by: Kay at November 29, 2008 11:03 AM (DKZtn)

27 How anyone could possibly watch this show after the episode in Season 3 (?) where they decide not to take the opportunity to wipe out the Cylons because of Helo's "impassioned" plea that he enjoyed knocking boots with one is beyond me.

Because apparently you weren't paying the fuck attention, Waterhose. They did decide to genocide the Cylons. They were going through with it. Helo foiled their plan by killing the prisoners early.

Plus all that 'ripped from the headlines' garbage about insurgents and suicide bombings was just too much ignorant moral-equivalence-bullshittery for any thinking human.

The sides weren't morally equivalent in a good or permissive sense; there was no effort made to justify the bombings or the torture or enslavement or secret police. The point was to show that many of the characters fell into evil. You may not have liked it because you didn't like to see the "heroes" do bad things. But it was hardly unsurprising; this is BSG, the characters are defined by their flaws as much as their virtues.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 29, 2008 11:07 AM (rWvvO)

28 Geez, don't we need to be a little more observant than having memomachine sneaking his way into this thread? You know how sneaky "they" are.

memo, I am waiting for BSG to add a character like myself. A southern, white male. He would be very easy to spot even before he starting talking. He would live in the ship that looked like a mobile home, have a gun rack in the back window, an Earnhardt bumper sticker, and Calvin peeing on a cylon sticker in the back window. His call sign, "Intimidator".

Posted by: mrcaniac at November 29, 2008 11:27 AM (Rbulg)

29 The show is crap, one giant anti-War on Terror diatribe by a bunch of gay and PC writers who have the view that fighting the enemy is wrong.

Which given the premise makes the show as bad and filled with crap as "24" with it's constant PC platitudes and "debate" by Liberals intent on showing their moral superiority to the heroes and the average person.

Chock full of elitism, clueless PC and Multiculturalism, standing for nothing but the moral superiority and special status of the PC driven, and gay/liberal (but I repeat myself) writers.

If I wanted a lecture by Rosie O'Donnell or Joy Behar I'd be watching the View.

BSG is also crap Sci-Fi. Moore rather than pushing the interplay between technology and society, refuses to examine any of his PC religious beliefs. [The one true religion on BSG is PC.] Going "gay" one episode is just proof positive of the show's terminal PC nature.

It's a pretty sad commentary on how TV has largely become an irrelevant Gay-Female ghetto when Sci-Fi cannot be done right. Next to Max Headroom ("Remember when we told you there was no future? Well, this is it.") or M.A.N.T.I.S. or even the campy original late 1970's BSG, this show is pathetic.

Posted by: whiskey at November 29, 2008 11:38 AM (4878o)

30

@someone:  Skipped the weird movie thing, too.  Worth catching up?

I agree with most everything being said here.  They did start to lose it. 

If you're referring to the 'Razor' episode, it's totally worth seeing because it's a flashback to Season 2 and Admiral Cain...if the whole rest of the series had been more like that. it would have been awesome.

I'll finish out the series cuz Season 4 was an improvement over Season 3...the ghey thing is telling me that they're out of inspiration though.  It was the same with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Posted by: CanaDave at November 29, 2008 11:46 AM (fpYFu)

31

Liberal TV people think that what they produce is 'Education', not 'Entertainment'...that's the whole disconnect.  They're 'Educating' us about how the world is, according to them.

I thankfully survived skewl with my psyche intact...they can take their 'Education', give it a light coating of oil, and pound it up their asses.

Posted by: CanaDave at November 29, 2008 11:58 AM (fpYFu)

32 I never saw BSG as being skewed to any particular political ideology. There are characters within the show who are obviously liberal and others who are obviously conservative. I thought the treatment of pro-Cylon humans in the fleet was a hilarious commentary on anti-war protesters in American society. Further, if someone were so inclined, they could even draw parallels between Cylon and liberal political beliefs (ie. the collective good outweighs individual rights). This hasn't been portrayed in a positive light, either. I think the writers have done a decent job of leaving things vague enough to allow the audience to take their own meanings away from the show. No doubt there are exceptions to this which I'm sure someone will call me on, but whatever bias exists in the writers' work hasn't prevented me from enjoying their show, or from finding political viewpoints that I can sympathize with. Then again, maybe I'm just an idiot.

Posted by: J Foster at November 29, 2008 12:16 PM (6aQu7)

33 I agree with Foster, it's not too heavily skewed liberal. It obviously is, at least on certain subjects, but it's not like the humans are asking "Why do they hate us!!!" every episode. That alone should be enough to show it's not totally moonbatty.

Posted by: greg s at November 29, 2008 12:55 PM (gHnDF)

34 So now we know why Gaeta tried to kill Baltar in the prison cell?

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2008 01:55 PM (PI3vs)

35 Hmmm.

@ Empire of Jeff

"YOOOUUU.
WRIIIIITE.
EEENNNGLISH.
VERRRRRYYYY.
WEEEELLLLLL."

Lavatory?

It's down the hall and to the left.

Posted by: memomachine at November 29, 2008 03:17 PM (f4Zt4)

36 Hmmmm.

@ mrcaniac

"Geez, don't we need to be a little more observant than having memomachine sneaking his way into this thread? You know how sneaky "they" are."

Like Pearl Harbor bitches!

As an aside if people can determine what is allowed or not allowed based on presupposed victimhood then I say no more "Tora! Tora! Tora!".

As the only Asian kid in my county, and I'm fucking Korean for Christ sake, I got my ass whupped every damn December 7th until I got too big for that shit.

Gotta say you white people really can't tell us apart!

Koreans.  We're the good looking ones that aren't frying rice or building Toyotas.  Let's try to keep that straight eh? 

Posted by: memomachine at November 29, 2008 03:28 PM (f4Zt4)

37 Jeff beat me to it.
Gaeta, gay?  Get out!  Never saw that one, er, coming...

What I think is BSG's biggest flaw is that from time to time it becomes painfully obvious that Ron Moore and his writers have only the vaguest idea of where they they want to go with the story, and try to distract us from their cluelessness with some soap opera character drama that makes for good TV in that particular moment, but whose connection to any deeper plotline is weak and often contradictory.

That said, I'll be watching the end of the season for the same reason people rubberneck at car wrecks - it's horrible, but at the same time utterly fascinating.

Posted by: J. Wilde at November 29, 2008 03:32 PM (ucJiT)

38 For those of you who missed most of the As The Battlestar Turns series, here's a synopsis:

- Man creates cool computer men.

- Man ticks them off because of some weird liberal thing. Machines fight back and attack man.

-Sidestory:  Child is unhappy with his massively pock-marked father because he 'wasn't there enough' or some other such nonsense.  Many episodes revolve around that crap.  They resolve it, but unfortunately, neither one of them dies.

-Next, a ditzy chick becomes 'president' of whatever humans are left and cares deeply about crap for a few episodes, because, well, basically because the story is written by Canadians, and they're almost as gay as the English.  A female president is their penultimate dream (see Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis if you doubt me).  I stopped watching it, but hopefully someone killed her off the show.

-Then, the computer people start believing in some form of God.  The mankind that they hoped to destroy completely in the very first show, somehow now is not in need of destroying (computer glitch?).  Meaningless episodes ensue.

-After that, it gets kind of stupid.  I mean, stupid-ER. Frankly, I'm embarrassed that either sci-fi fans or conservatives give this crappy soap opera the time of day.

Posted by: Kevin at November 29, 2008 03:35 PM (KO6dP)

39 Hmmm.

"-After that, it gets kind of stupid.  I mean, stupid-ER. Frankly, I'm embarrassed that either sci-fi fans or conservatives give this crappy soap opera the time of day."

It's the complete lack of female nudity and monkey-sex.

Or something like it.

Posted by: memomachine at November 29, 2008 06:10 PM (f4Zt4)

40 or M.A.N.T.I.S.

Dude, whiskey, I gotta admit...right up to that point, you had me taking you seriously.  Well-played, sir.

Posted by: apotheosis at November 29, 2008 06:28 PM (xWk3U)

41 I'm not totally in the tank with Whiskey's assessment.  It's true, Canadian writers have seriously gayed sci-fi up a notch with Star Trek TNG, Deep Space Nine, StarGate Atlantis, and especially Battlestar Galactica - The Rhinestone Edition, as well as the rest of the series they did.  Everyone saw it coming when they decided that Starbuck didn't necesarilly have to be a man, and would serve equally well as a lesbian chick who often decides to go straight.  My wife, who's as big a nerd as me agrees that it's because of some kind of pc crap up there that forces them to put a huggy caring woman in charge of sci-fi movies.  Maybe it's a law in Canada or something.  I mean, at least put the guy that you've turned into an angry lesbian lady in charge, right?  Nope, they go the 'caring, compassionate' route.  Epoch... fail.

I go one step further in saying that it's because Canadian writers are willing to relinquish full rights of sentients to blobs of chocolate liquid or some homemade nanobots, or maybe some fungus that they find that makes their shows so incredibly gay.  But then I remember that Canadians wrote the first three years of Stargate SG-1.  Those were pretty good.  If someone is aware that Americans wrote SG-1 in those years, please don't tell me.  I prefer to live in a world where Canadian sci-fi writers have some small amount of redemption.

In short, Battlestar Galactica, while being the worst scifi show ever to air, is still as good as General Hospital, Days of Our Lives, Peyton Place or any other soap opera on daytime television.  Only slightly better, but still... that's something.

Posted by: Kevin at November 29, 2008 09:04 PM (KO6dP)

42 This series jumped the shark along time agio becoming dull and tedious.  Ignoring what would happen in a live or death situation to put out the soap box and push "relevant" PC issues.  This trend now culminates in outing gay characters.  What a surprise!  Just another illustration on how one makes a good show just another dull waste of time.  Does anyone still watch this dog?  I gave up midway in season two as the plots became increasingly irrelevant and laughable.   Battlestar long ago became Flash Gordon's Bathhouse and Progressive Coffee Shop.  If you enjy sci-fi you'd best look elsewhere for anything that appears plausible.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at November 29, 2008 09:37 PM (0Qynq)

43

BSG is one of my favorites too- I got my friends hooked on it, although I only highly recommend the first 2 seasons- I think season 3 stunk (except for 2-3 episodes in the middle) and 4 has been uneven.

Even better than BSG was Firefly- if you haven't watched this show yet, you need to.  The movie Serenity was based on it, but the series is better yet.  Most readers here would like it- I'm not kidding, watch it- a libertarian sci-fi show that kicks butt- what's not to like?  Find it on yahoo TV, full episodes for free, or else buy it off of Amazon.

Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at November 30, 2008 04:37 AM (Cp7Wb)

44 Speaking of things that are gay in BSG, every time they toss in that lame-ass "so say we all" line, I start looking around for a puppy to kick in the fucking ribs. If I wanted an endless supply of faggoty collectivist pap, I'd put will.I.am's "Yes We Can" video on an endless loop while I played and splashed in the blood of a dozen hobos.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 30, 2008 07:17 AM (9DTEp)

45 Speaking of things that are NOT gay in BSG, there's...

hmm.

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