June 28, 2011

Bristol Palin: My Mom's Made Her Decision (Then, A Walkback: No, She Hasn't)
— Ace

Allah gets from context that he thinks Bristol is saying Sarah Palin has made up her mind to run for office.

He gets this from Bristol's statement that she's "absolutely" supportive of a run, plus, maybe more suggestive, that since the media would be talking (nastily) about the Palin's even if they lived in a cabin in remotest Alaska, they might as well do something good.

I don't take that as Allah does. It seems to me that Bristol could just be expressing her basic supportive stance towards her mother -- I will support my mom no matter what she decides, and sure, I'm willing to be go through the media nastiness if that's what mom's decided.

Although I do think that bit about might-as-well-do-something-good-if-we're-going-to-be-treated-this-way-anyway puts the weight more on the "Run" side of the scale.

Posted by: Ace at 11:08 AM | Comments (244)
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1
that's nice, dear

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:10 AM (G/zuv)

2 Why don't we just wait til she announces (if she does)

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 11:10 AM (MMC8r)

3 Save us Rick Perry

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:10 AM (GTbGH)

4 The MSM will bash her either way.  And yet she's still smiling.  Good for her.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 28, 2011 11:10 AM (71LDo)

5 zzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 28, 2011 11:11 AM (QKKT0)

6 Save us Rick Perry Zombie Reagan.  FIFY  We could all use us some Zombie Reagan.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 28, 2011 11:12 AM (71LDo)

7
(I take it that India story is old?)

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:13 AM (G/zuv)

8 She will jump in the race eventually, then pull out to focus on her family, and by family I mean tv career.

Posted by: every thread needs some sarah at June 28, 2011 11:13 AM (F+Qit)

9

Keep in mind that Hotair need Palin to stay relevant. I'm guessing a full 50% of their hits come from palin related posts.

That's not to say they don't do good work over there, but let's face it Palin butters their bread.

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2011 11:14 AM (wuv1c)

10

She will jump in the race eventually, then pull out to focus on her family, and by family I mean tv career.

You mean Newt Gingrich?

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2011 11:15 AM (wuv1c)

11 All you Palin supporters are retarded like her kid.

Posted by: War Between the Mostly Dead States at June 28, 2011 11:15 AM (k0TKJ)

12 "Breaking: Some Sources Think Sarah Has Decided!"

Posted by: Newsweek at June 28, 2011 11:15 AM (FcR7P)

13
I'd hate to lose that House seat in MN if Bachmann continues her prez campaign.

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:15 AM (G/zuv)

14 Incoming Sarah hate.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:  Palin/Bachman 2012.  or Bachman/Palin.  Either way.

It's how I'll vote in the primaries.

In the presidential, anything but O'Fuckmonkey

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:16 AM (x3YFz)

15 I agree with you Ace.  I still do not believe she will run.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 11:17 AM (M9Ie6)

16 I wonder if Bristol Palin is aware of how much damage she's done to her mother's career and reputation with her idiotic decisions. 

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 11:17 AM (LvQK2)

17 @ 11:  Is that you JEF?

Posted by: observer at June 28, 2011 11:18 AM (vPqJx)

18 She's not running. This is just a tease for the benefit of the news cycle. (Please, please let it be so.)

Posted by: joncelli at June 28, 2011 11:18 AM (RD7QR)

19

Keep in mind that Hotair HuffPo needs Palin(s) to stay relevant drive ad revenue. I'm guessing a full 50% 78% of their hits come from palin related posts [and unhinged commenters].

FIFY

Bonus: a non Palin story on Hot Air that nobody seems to be covering yet, aside from some astute commenters here.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 28, 2011 11:18 AM (4136b)

20 shit, I'd vote for my Parrot, Leo, as a write in for the presidential race if I have to.  How many parrots get to say they ran for president?

Leo has a vocabulary of about 40 words, and doesn't need a teleprompter.  He'd always show up to vote, doesn't play golf, and isn't a fucking commie socialist shitbag.

for those reasons alone he's superior to O'Commie.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:19 AM (x3YFz)

21 "I wonder if Bristol Palin is aware of how much damage she's done to her mother's career and reputation with her idiotic decisions."

That's ridiculous.  Only those already inclined to hate her mother would give a rat's butt that Bristol was on Dancing With the Stars or got knocked up by a douchebag.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 11:19 AM (uaEZS)

22 11 All you Palin supporters are retarded like her kid.

Posted by: War Between the Mostly Dead States at June 28, 2011 04:15 PM (k0TKJ)

The lucky part, for you, is that you'd never have to balls to say that to a palin supporter face-to-face.

That's because you're a pussy.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:20 AM (x3YFz)

23 It's a sock.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:21 AM (GTbGH)

24 I think  11 is a sock and not actually the undead states as that doesn't strike me as something he would say.

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2011 11:22 AM (wuv1c)

25 500 comments, minimum.

And if this is the last thread before the ONT . . . oh boy.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 11:22 AM (NdE8F)

26

The lucky part, for you, is that you'd never have to balls to say that to a palin supporter face-to-face.

Uh, that's a sock.

I hope Palin decides to sit this one out, and endorse a candidate of her choosing, Perry or Bachmann....whatever.

Just don't run please.  I want Owaffle crushed like a bug.  An electoral tidal wave (320+ or so).  She can't do that.

And damn, its hot down here.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:23 AM (A0VTZ)

27

O come on. She's running. She isn't in Iowa today picking corn for Mittens' corn sombrero.

Bristol gives a little tease this morning just to amp up the coverage.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:23 AM (K/USr)

28 Don't know where are the hate comes from.

I'll vote for whomever is on the ballot with the (R) by their name.

Posted by: ASK-21 at June 28, 2011 11:23 AM (opjv+)

29 23 It's a sock.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 04:21 PM (GTbGH)

don't sock unless yer funny.


Missing the funny part.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (x3YFz)

30 Threadjack: massive terrorist attack under way in Kabul on the eve of the announcement of hading over control to the Afghani security people.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (kaOJx)

31 War Between the Mostly Undead States is most likely a jackass who used to sockpuppet as "Uncle Jimbo" and was banned, but is evading it. BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (nj1bB)

32

22 is a sock. He'd say something like that, yeah, but he doesn't goof on his own handle, like 22 did.

Stand down, gang.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (K/USr)

33 The hash matches up with Dr.Spank.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (MMC8r)

34 the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

Pixy 2.1? 

Posted by: [you] at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (GTbGH)

35 31--wha?? no more thread spamming? How'm I supposed to know when the thread is done?

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (K/USr)

36

 come on. She's running. She isn't in Iowa today picking corn for Mittens' corn sombrero.

Perhaps shes just staying relevant.  She needs to do that for income/clout within the party, Tea or otherwise. 

(I see absolutely nothing wrong with it either in case I'm misinterpreted.)

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (A0VTZ)

37 I mind less if Palin runs now because we already have a proxy in Bachmann. If the two compete, fine.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (nj1bB)

38 BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

Well, yeah ...

Posted by: The Mayans at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (IdoRk)

39 29 Threadjack: massive terrorist attack under way in Kabul on the eve of the announcement of hading over control to the Afghani security people.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at June 28, 2011 04:25 PM (kaOJx)

We're not "all in" so we need to be "all out."

carpet bombing or bring 'em home.  We've lost enough soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines to half measures.

Our men and women in uniform get paid to kill people and break their stuff.  If they're not doing one of those they're being misused.

Bring them home.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (x3YFz)

40 PALINOIA : noun. A phobia consisting of the fear that someone may have posted a Sarah Palin thread and there is no one there to defend her virtue.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (lbo6/)

41 >>>That's ridiculous.  Only those already inclined to hate her mother would give a rat's butt that Bristol was on Dancing With the Stars or got knocked up by a douchebag.

This presumes a world where people make decisions either out of purely rational calculation, or with preexisting love in their hearts for Sarah.

Neither world exists.  Therefore your model of how people react to Palin's daughter's silliness is incorrect.


Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:28 AM (hIWe1)

42

 and spam comments for that matter

Even lace wigs? 

Perhaps a special exemption is order.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:28 AM (A0VTZ)

43

the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

Pixy 2.1? 

Nope. The North Korean scientist has finally gotten his lazy ass of my downstairs futon and has nearly stabilized the protons needed for the 178 mega-font bomb o' death. Which I will lend to Ace to merely atomize banned posters from the internet.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:28 AM (OWjjx)

44 32

22 is a sock. He'd say something like that, yeah, but he doesn't goof on his own handle, like 22 did.

Stand down, gang.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 04:25 PM (K/USr) 

wtf does that mean?  I wasn't goofing.


Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:29 AM (x3YFz)

45 Any superior intellect want to play Drop the W-2 on the Table against Stupid Sarah? How about against Brainless Bristol's $600K? Didn't think so.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2011 11:29 AM (STdkO)

46 Any superior intellect want to play Drop the W-2 on the Table against Stupid Sarah? How about against Brainless Bristol's $600K? Didn't think so.

Meh.  I'll bet Carrot-top makes more than me.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:30 AM (GTbGH)

47

36Perhaps shes just staying relevant.  She needs to do that for income/clout within the party, Tea or otherwise.  (I see absolutely nothing wrong with it either in case I'm misinterpreted.)

Actually, running for office ends her main source of income, Faux News Channel. Prolly why she is delaying the formal announce as long as she can. She doesn't have bush/romney type money, or even mccain type money, to fall back on once she tosses her helmet into the ring.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:31 AM (K/USr)

48 BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close. But what about the double posting and open html tags? We'll still get those, right?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2011 11:31 AM (lbo6/)

49 Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2011 04:29 PM (STdkO) Income != intelligence. (Or at least not necessarily.) Just ask Charlie Sheen.

Posted by: joncelli at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (RD7QR)

50 >>>Any superior intellect want to play Drop the W-2 on the Table against Stupid Sarah? How about against Brainless Bristol's $600K? Didn't think so.

Um...seriously?  This is an actual argument?  This reminds me of that great Mr. Show sketch where David Cross plays the motivational speaker who argues that your intelligence and/or worth as a person is measured exclusively by your net financial worth.

I genuinely hope you didn't mean this argument to be taken seriously.  Otherwise I could simply gesture towards a passel of reality TV stars, musicians and actors, etc. who are rich and famous yet dumber than a sack of rocks.  The cast of The Jersey Shore, anyone?

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (hIWe1)

51 39, Damn Tangonine, That's two comments on one thread that made me say "Hell Yeah" You are en fuego my friend.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (NtTkA)

52 46 Any superior intellect want to play Drop the W-2 on the Table against Stupid Sarah? How about against Brainless Bristol's $600K? Didn't think so.
Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2011 04:29 PM (STdkO)

you gotta add the /sarc tag occasionally.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (x3YFz)

53

Any superior intellect want to play Drop the W-2 on the Table against Stupid Sarah? How about against Brainless Bristol's $600K? Didn't think so.

Really...this is a good argument? I mean, the last year of his MSNBC contract, Keith Olbermann raked in 7.5 mil large. And you think that makes him smart?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (OWjjx)

54 52 39, Damn Tangonine, That's two comments on one thread that made me say "Hell Yeah" You are en fuego my friend.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 04:32 PM (NtTkA)

I took my M1A to the range today.  I'm filled with fuego!

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (x3YFz)

55 By the way, I still don't think she's running.  I think this is all about the hype.  And don't think for a second that Bristol wouldn't be in on such things if so.

Of course I'm reliably wrong about this stuff.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (hIWe1)

56 This means she's not running.  It's BS hyping her movie and other ventures.

Posted by: ParisParamus at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (QN76w)

57

If Palin gets in, I think she caves in Bachmann's support.  Even damaged.

Just my gut, could be off.

If we aren't going to get a Christie/Ryan/Keyes, and it doesn't look like we will, I'd prefer her to stay out, endorse Perry, and avoid a Mittens candidacy.

I've pretty well come to the conclusion that TPaw can't be the Mittens alternative, and I think Perry can unite tea partiers and um....the more establishment wings of the party.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:34 AM (A0VTZ)

58 45--I know!! He/it was goofing another poster who goes by the name War Against Undead States or something like that. He goofed the name in his sock, like some folks here to to Hollowjoint. And wrote something outrageous about Palin, which the real War sometimes does.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:34 AM (K/USr)

59 "This presumes a world where people make decisions either out of purely rational calculation, or with preexisting love in their hearts for Sarah."

Nonsense.  Why would anyone who has no strong feelings about Palin one way or another give a darn about Bristol, especially as most of what she's done that's allegedly so damaging (the tv shows) is perfectly benign, and the rest of it (getting knocked up by the douchebag) is unlikely to be blamed on her mother?

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 11:34 AM (uaEZS)

60 LOL, I told Gabe he should post a Palin thread (among others). One flame war isn't enough.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (M9Ie6)

61 Good grief, Michelle Obama is ugly.

Posted by: CrustyB at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (GvSpB)

62

Running........not running.........not caring. Eh, its all the same to me. As long as Buddy Roemer is in the race, I have my candidate*

 

 

* who will likely either finish last or next to last, depending on the availability of Alan Keyes.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (OWjjx)

63 Sitting at 25% on inTrade. Down a little.

Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (WLxeI)

64 But we love the spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, love the spam, wonderful spam!

Posted by: Viking Morons at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (MMC8r)

65 I don't want to live in a world where lace wigs isn't allowed to speak truth to power.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 11:36 AM (uaEZS)

66

I know!! He/it was goofing another poster who goes by the name War Against Undead States or something like that.

He was goofing on War Between the Undead States. War is not a big fan of Palin. But he is a pretty nice guy unless you happen to be a big fan of Palin.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:37 AM (OWjjx)

67 LOL, it will really be "new comments" w/o  teh spam.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 11:37 AM (M9Ie6)

68 I'll miss Machines for Sale

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (GTbGH)

69 Bristol seems like a nice girl, but that was one of the most bizzare and uncomfortable interviews I've ever seen. I really could have done without 50-something Hannity asking a 20 year-old (or 21, 22 - whatever) about what it was like to get drunk for the first time and lose her virginity in a camping tent. Don't they pre-interview these things?

Posted by: Johnny at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (mhmc7)

70

Folks - trust me Palin is running.

Appearing in Iowa same day as Obama, showing up in New Hampshire same day as Mitt announces, bus tour will continue soon to Iowa & South Carolina & Nevada (the four early voting states - her bus already hit New Hampshire) and SarahPac has been very active.

Connect the dots on her last few moves. She is playing a brilliant chess game but many are blind.

I say "Run Sarah Run"! She has my support & my vote!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (HTR8y)

71

You can't stop the Spam.............you can only hope to contain it.

Posted by: Crappy ESPN Phrase Modified to Fit the Content at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (OWjjx)

72 Could Palin win with longbows?

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (MMC8r)

73 59

If Palin gets in, I think she caves in Bachmann's support.  Even damaged.

Just my gut, could be off.

If we aren't going to get a Christie/Ryan/Keyes, and it doesn't look like we will, I'd prefer her to stay out, endorse Perry, and avoid a Mittens candidacy.

I've pretty well come to the conclusion that TPaw can't be the Mittens alternative, and I think Perry can unite tea partiers and um....the more establishment wings of the party.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 04:34 PM (A0VTZ)

palin would destroy Bachmann's support.  Bachmann only has support because she's "Palin-light."  Sarah is the heavy hitter and when she enters, in two days (trust me) Bachmann is going to be relegated to VP. 

I'm old.  I'm angry.  I can see the future.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (x3YFz)

74 "He was goofing on War Between the Undead States. War is not a big fan of Palin. But he is a pretty nice guy unless you happen to be a big fan of Palin."

Right.  Then he's a complete and utter tool, which sort of undermines the whole "pretty nice guy" thing, in my opinion, but others may disagree.  They'd be wrong, but they may disagree.  :-)

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (uaEZS)

75

 As long as Buddy Roemer is in the race, I have my candidate*

You didn't think I was going to let that go did you?

Obviously Gabe was just trying to gauge who Roemer's top challenger is in yesterday's poll.

He was smart to leave him off, and avoid seeing him win by a 30 or 40 point margin.  Everyone with a pulse on the blogosphere knows the Roemer Juggernaut is building momentum.

Perry or Bachmann would make a good running mate though.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (A0VTZ)

76

I really could have done without 50-something Hannity asking a 20 year-old (or 21, 22 - whatever)  anyone about what it was like to get drunk for the first time and lose her virginity in a camping tent anything.

FIFY

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (OWjjx)

77 I always thought that Palin wasn't running, but now Ace has said the same thing, so I reserve the right to change my mind.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (NdE8F)

78 If we aren't going to get a Christie/Ryan/Keyes, and it doesn't look like we will, I'd prefer her to stay out, endorse Perry, and avoid a Mittens candidacy.

If she endorses either Perry or Bachmann, which ever one she does is going to take off and I think Romney's fortunes are going to go the other way.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (M9Ie6)

79 That's how The Man keeps his UGG boots on your neck.

Posted by: Remy Lace Wigs at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (lbo6/)

80 I thought it was an obvious sock and the kind of dick comment war would make. As for downscaled upscale, try harder.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (k0TKJ)

81 71 I really could have done without 50-something Hannity asking a 20 year-old (or 21, 22 - whatever) about what it was like to get drunk for the first time and lose her virginity in a camping tent.

Well, to be fair, Hannity is trying to figure out what it's like to get drunk and/or lose his virginity.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (NdE8F)

82

You didn't think I was going to let that go did you?

And you didn't think I would let you go without thanking you for letting your Rockies come into Wrigley yesterday and throw batting practice?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (OWjjx)

83 65 Sitting at 25% on inTrade. Down a little.

Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2011 04:35 PM (WLxeI)

I picked up Sandridge Energy a few months back.  They're leading in the domestic drilling tech (the horizontal drilling, less environmental impact).  They've weathered the storm and I'm even after 4 months... it's only going up.


Good P/E, solid leadership, good financials.

Disclaimer:  Stock tip brought to you by tangonine, should you lose your ass based on my advice, yer just fucked.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (x3YFz)

84 21 "I wonder if Bristol Palin is aware of how much damage she's done to her mother's career and reputation with her idiotic decisions."

That's ridiculous.  Only those already inclined to hate her mother would give a rat's butt that Bristol was on Dancing With the Stars or got knocked up by a douchebag.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 04:19 PM (uaEZS)

Really?  Bristol Palin has been a massive distraction since about a week after Palin was announced as McCain's running mate.  She got pregnant as a teenager by a total dirtbag, then announced her intention to marry him, then broke it off (wisely), and then ran right back to him when he pretended he was back into her (after he ran out of money).  Even for a teenager, she comes off looking dumb.  Then she got plastic surgery.  And now she's written a book where she blames Levi Johnston for her losing her virginity.  Tremendous.

Great parents can raise kids who make awful decisions.  Over and over.  It's not necessarily their fault, but it still doesn't look good for them.  Sarah Palin's family drama has, unfortunately, hurt her public persona and her career.  It's not fair, but it's reality.  It'd be nice if Bristol was cognizant of this.

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (LvQK2)

85 >>>Nonsense.  Why would anyone who has no strong feelings about Palin one way or another give a darn about Bristol, especially as most of what she's done that's allegedly so damaging (the tv shows) is perfectly benign, and the rest of it (getting knocked up by the douchebag) is unlikely to be blamed on her mother?

1.) Almost everyone in America has "strong feelings" about Palin one way or another.  There are NO undecideds left about her, pretty much.  The problem (the absolutely insurmountable problem, because minds don't get changed when it comes to politicians) is that 60% of Americans dislike her as opposed to 30% who like her and only 10% or so who are 'on the fence.'  Those are losing numbers, in any version of reality known to man.

2.) Even were that not the case, you seem to be completely oblivious to the way people make decisions about politicians.  The 'tabloid trash' aspect of Sarah Palin's life and family (Bristol, the reality TV shows, the constant sniping attacks on all critics large and small, even the bus tour) has a definite effect on the way voters perceive her, on a sub-rational level.  People will tolerate a certain amount of that stuff (Jimmy Carter had Billy, Bill Clinton had Roger -- but note that as Democrats they had more public latitude), but too much and it just becomes a question of "do I really want this family of circus clowns inhabiting the White House?"  I'm not saying Palin or her family are circus clowns, for god's sake, I'm saying that is the way their tabloidification (some of which is indeed their fault or choosing, IMO) has had the effect of casting them in that light for tons of people.

And sorry -- no amount of "awesome retail politicking skillz!!11!" is ever going to undo that.  Ever.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (hIWe1)

86

If she endorses either Perry or Bachmann, which ever one she does is going to take off and I think Romney's fortunes are going to go the other way.

Yeah, I tend to agree. Romney's fortunes are really damaged by a Perry run.

Whatever one thinks of Palin (and as an opponent of OWaffle I don't think much as most people know) she is a pretty solid endorser. Haley for instance owes her office to her.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (A0VTZ)

87 Yea, I think MB, who I like, is going to have to carve out her own identity a bit more. Some pundits have been selling her as New and Improved Palin, to try to poach some of Palin's support,  but that label won't serve her well once original Palin gets in.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (K/USr)

88 57, I think her movie is the first Campaign commercial. I have not seen it but I will. From what I understand it's very well done and kicks the MSM and McCains handlers in the nuts. I don't underestimate the woman. Nor have I bought into a single bullshit MSM meme. She's the real thing. No one in the history of this country has been slandered and insulted like that woman has. Yet she stands strong. If you think she should be President or not that's up to you. She deserves all conservatives respect. She is a force for good.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (NtTkA)

89

And you didn't think I would let you go without thanking you for letting your Rockies come into Wrigley yesterday and throw batting practice?

Soooooooooooo, where is Alan Keyes at in Iowa today?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (A0VTZ)

90 I'm predicting she will announce she is in during the the 4th of July weekend.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 28, 2011 11:45 AM (k34Gz)

91 >>>palin would destroy Bachmann's support.  Bachmann only has support because she's "Palin-light."  Sarah is the heavy hitter and when she enters, in two days (trust me) Bachmann is going to be relegated to VP.

Of course, you do realize that if Palin actually DOES run, what ends up happening is GOP Nominee Mitt Romney.  Palin wouldn't eat up Bachmann's support entirely at all (and certainly not in Iowa, where she has certain structural advantages that Iowans appreciate and Palin lacks), she would merely split it significantly.  The result is that Romney would win the caucus, and presumably the same effect would continue in later states (Romney already has Nevada and NH sewn up, regardless of Palin or Bachmann or Jesus returning and running himself, sadly.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:46 AM (hIWe1)

92 72
Connect the dots on her last few moves. She is playing a brilliant chess game but many are blind.

I say "Run Sarah Run"! She has my support & my vote!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 04:38 PM (HTR8y)

If everything she's doing is so brilliant, why isn't she more popular?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 11:46 AM (LvQK2)

93

Soooooooooooo, where is Alan Keyes at in Iowa today?

I am sooooooooo glad you asked. I know the big issue today with voters is the debt, so today at Sum Yum Foo's Chinese Emporium in Waterloo, Iowa I will be discussing my plan to reduce our debt, end our dependence on Chinese Money, and cooking some delicious General Tao chicken in an authentic wok.........but mainly cooking General Tao chicken.

Posted by: Alan Keyes at June 28, 2011 11:46 AM (OWjjx)

94 There are only three people in this country who could be president in January 2013.

Obama
Romney
Perry

And, God forbid a massive terror attack or health issue . . . Slow Joe.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 11:47 AM (NdE8F)

95 Wanna do Fantasy President? 

I won't be drafting Romney.  Nice guy, but nope.  The Tea Party (a.k.a. everyone that pays taxes) ain't havin' it.

I'll take Palin and Bachmann as a backup.  The rest of the republican field looks too much like the same old DC bullshit and/or they're ugly.

You can't get elected nowdays if you're ugly.  Shallow, but it's a fact.  No ugly people.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:47 AM (x3YFz)

96 80--Vic, forget it. Palin isn't endorsing this time, as she did in 10, and she isn't cheerleading for a stiff this time, as she did in 08. This time its for her account. Only way anybody gets Palin's endorsement is to beat her at the polls.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 11:47 AM (K/USr)

97 92 I'm predicting she will announce she is in during the the 4th of July weekend.

Not the best idea, since that was the weekend that she stepped down from the governor's position.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (NdE8F)

98

 "I wonder if Bristol Palin is aware of how much damage she's done to her mother's career and reputation with her idiotic decisions."

I'm not so sure about this. I get the point, it does give people who don't like her one more thing to hold against her if they are inclined that way. Personally, I don't enjoy all the drama, but on the other hand, anyone with kids (I'm one) is going to understand. For those willing to give her a fair shake, I don't see it as a game changer.

Posted by: RM at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (TRsME)

99 96 There are only three people in this country who could be president in January 2013.

Obama
Romney
Perry

And, God forbid a massive terror attack or health issue . . . Slow Joe.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 04:47 PM (NdE8F)

Nope.  Wouldn't vote for any of those 3.  If it's Romney or Perry I'm writing in my parrot, Leo.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (x3YFz)

100 99 92 I'm predicting she will announce she is in during the the 4th of July weekend.

Not the best idea, since that was the weekend that she stepped down from the governor's position.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 04:48 PM (NdE8F)

There's probably 100 people that remember that fact, you being one.  No one gives a shit.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:49 AM (x3YFz)

101 Is she running?

Ok, hotshots - read this little item and make the call:

Palin Lunches at Panera on 86th in Urbandale  (The Iowa Republican)  LINK


Excerpt:

Todd and Sarah Palin have made their way to Iowa.  They were spotted by a loyal TIR reader moments ago at the Panera Bread Store on 86th Street in Urbandale.  The PalinÂ’s were swarmed by lunch patrons.

Todd and Sarah Palin had lunch with long-time Iowa fundraiser Becky Beach and her dog Jake.  Also joining the PalinÂ’s was Moe Sinclair.  Sinclair owns the Panera stores in Iowa and other surrounding states.




Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 11:49 AM (HjPtV)

102 >>>Wanna do Fantasy President?

Sure, son.  The only two people I would have significant trouble voting for as GOP nominees are Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.  I suppose I might drag myself out and hold my nose and vote and lie about it afterwards when they lose by a 60%-40% margin to a woefully unpopular President Obama who is presiding over a Great Depression, but it'll be a close call.  And if it's a close call for me -- pretty much the most amazingly partisan "my team right or wrong" conservative Republican on the planet -- then you know it's a losing battle.

How do you like that reality? 

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (hIWe1)

103

she would merely split it significantly

My gut says REALLY significantly, and make Bachmann's run irrelevant, yes even in Iowa.  But, like I said, I could be all wet.  I'm not a huge fan of either obviously, although I think Bachmann is a bit more polished and a tad less polarizing.

JeffB...take on Perry?  I can't recall seeing it yet.

 

 Sum Yum Foo's Chinese Emporium in Waterloo

An Alan Keyes fortune cookie...now that is something I want to see!

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 11:51 AM (A0VTZ)

104 >>>There's probably 100 people that remember that fact, you being one.  No one gives a shit.

Want to bet that a whole hell of a lot of other people are going to be reminded of it extremely quickly if she chooses that time to announce? 

You are so naive.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:51 AM (hIWe1)

105 Okay, we're at an impasse.  Some of you think that a dancing competition on television is scandalous clown show stuff, and I don't.

Some of you look at the Palins and see a freakshow, and I don't.  Whatever.  There's no point in going back and forth on it forever.

I would like to see some polling that back ups the negative effect of Bristol on the public's perception of her mother, if that's available, but I doubt such data exists.  It just looks like typical Palin bashing.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 11:53 AM (uaEZS)

106 >>>JeffB...take on Perry?  I can't recall seeing it yet.

Something about him gives me the willies, and I can't put my finger on it.  But not nearly enough to make me have strong reservations about him.  Thererfore I'd happily vote for him if he got the nomination.  I do worry about the whole "GOP governor of Texas" thing, though...seems a bit too much like a rerun of old times, and I wonder how it will play.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:53 AM (hIWe1)

107 94 72
Connect the dots on her last few moves. She is playing a brilliant chess game but many are blind.

I say "Run Sarah Run"! She has my support & my vote!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 04:38 PM (HTR8y)

If everything she's doing is so brilliant, why isn't she more popular?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 04:46 PM (LvQK2)

She's pretty popular.  Every working professional conservative woman I've met supports her.  Sit back and watch the show. 

Of course no black women will support her, maybe 2%, or hispanic, maybe 5%, but everyone else...

Oh, and don't be thinking all those professional conservative married women can't influence their husbands.

"There is no greater disaster
than underestimating your enemy.
Underestimating your enemy
means loosing your greatest assets."

Sun Tzu

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (x3YFz)

108 >>Something about him gives me the willies, and I can't put my finger on it.


He's not Mormon.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (k0TKJ)

109 Incidentally, in case anyone is wondering, my guy in the primaries is still Pawlenty.  Doesn't seem like he's catching fire so far, I have to admit, but substantively speaking he just seems like the obvious choice.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (hIWe1)

110 104, What do you have against women?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (NtTkA)

111 Want to bet that a whole hell of a lot of other people are going to be reminded of it extremely quickly if she chooses that time to announce? 

If she announces in August the headline will be Twenty five months after resigning as Governor of Alaska, Sara Palin throws here hat into the ring.

Or 26 months in September or whatever.  It's what they do.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (GTbGH)

112 106 >>>There's probably 100 people that remember that fact, you being one.  No one gives a shit.

Want to bet that a whole hell of a lot of other people are going to be reminded of it extremely quickly if she chooses that time to announce? 

You are so naive.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 04:51 PM (hIWe1)

If there's one thing I'm not, it's naive. 

If there's one thing you are, it's skared. flee, little one, flee. 

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (x3YFz)

113 >> BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close. That's right! We're closing our doors! Everything must go! Michael Moore's psychedelic underboob secretions? MUST GO! A whole basement's worth of Hob-O-Fresh Quicklime? MUST GO! And the first hundred guys get shirts!

Posted by: AoSHQ Liquidation Blowout Sale!!! at June 28, 2011 11:56 AM (qndXR)

114 BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

You'll never take me alive!


Posted by: Lace Wigs at June 28, 2011 11:58 AM (XyoGP)

115 What do I have to offer a Republican candidate? Not much. That is, if you consider stylish good looks and value to be "not much."

Posted by: Remy Lace Wigs at June 28, 2011 11:58 AM (lbo6/)

116 What do I have to offer a Republican candidate? Not much.
That is, if you consider stylish good looks and value to be "not much."

So Blago is out as a spokesman now, I guess.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 11:59 AM (GTbGH)

117 Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 28, 2011 04:47 PM (K/USr)

I still do not think she will run and she will endorse somebody. Everyone keeps saying Perry but I have never seen anything to indicate that.

I do NOT think she will ever be second banana again. Teh BS with McCain was a death star for anybody under him.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 11:59 AM (M9Ie6)

118 115 >> BTW, the days of ban-evasion, and spam comments for that matter, are drawing to a close.

That's right! We're closing our doors! Everything must go! Michael Moore's psychedelic underboob secretions? MUST GO! A whole basement's worth of Hob-O-Fresh Quicklime? MUST GO! And the first hundred guys get shirts!

Posted by: AoSHQ Liquidation Blowout Sale!!! at June 28, 2011 04:56 PM (qndXR)

I've been ignoring these posts for days, but after a while I have to ask:

why the fuck are you so scared of being banned?

Yes I read Ace's post, and... so?  what gives? 

Don't be a douche.  Pretty simple.  Not getting all the emo angst from the flailing about here.  just shut the fuck up about it already.

Post what you think, think before you post, and quit being a whiney ass.  This ain't LGF.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:01 PM (x3YFz)

119 It's going to be a long 1.25 years.

Posted by: RayJ at June 28, 2011 12:01 PM (pI/IV)

120 Sarah Palin won't win, so she should not run.

Palin fans are understandably frustrated at the disgraceful attacks on her family.  But the numbers are what they are.  She's just not gonna be president.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 12:02 PM (XyoGP)

121

I do NOT think she will ever be second banana again. Teh BS with McCain was a death star for anybody under him.

True.  And no candidate who wants oxygen for themselves would ever want her as the number two.

Can we just pretend it's 2016 and run Marco Rubio?  (I know we can't, but still)

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 12:02 PM (A0VTZ)

122 104, What do you have against women?

Clearly I'm a misogynist.

Seriously, I have absolutely nothing against women.  I have a huge problem with these two particular candidates, who just happen to be women.  Everyone here knows my opinion on Palin, which I've talked about so often I actually have had to dial it back (short version: I *LOVED* her when she was first announced as McCain's VP -- and I have the post history here from back in the day to back that up -- but she didn't impress me very much on the 2008 trail and not only failed to improve since then but has done several things to make me think far worse of her).  As for Bachmann, I've had the misfortune of having to work with her professionally in the past.  I could never, ever, ever support her after seeing the way she handles her job, her staff, her decisions, and her responsibilities to her supposed 'principles,' her party, and her constituents.  NEVER.

It's funny -- I've brought that up before, several times, and I just noticed that her former chief-of-staff wrote an Op-Ed in the Des Moines Register today saying the exact same thing: she is hideously unqualified on a tempermental and organizational level for her current job, much less the Presidency. 

I'd vote for Palin if she got the GOP nomination, I suppose.  (I'd hate it, but I'd do it.)  But I would not vote for Michele Bachmann if she were our candidate, unless it was absolutely necessary (living in a swing state, close race nationally, etc.).  She simply should not ever come close to the Presidency, for the sake of the nation.  I'm sorry that she happens to be on 'our team,' that she's photogenic, that she impresses some of you.  I'm sorry about all that, because it makes you take this personally, think I'm attacking her just be a prick or something (hence the "Y U HATE WOMEN DOOD?" comments).  I'm not.  Bachmann is the closest thing I've ever seen to Greg Stillson from Stephen King's The Dead Zone.  She's...a bad customer.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:03 PM (hIWe1)

123 "Sarah Palin won't win, so she should not run.

Palin fans are understandably frustrated at the disgraceful attacks on her family.  But the numbers are what they are.  She's just not gonna be president."

The primaries should sort that out definitively, then.  No worries.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:03 PM (uaEZS)

124 Sarah Palin 2012

For the Win!

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:03 PM (HjPtV)

125 I think Rick Perry will run and become the not-Romney.  I don't think the ladies can pull it off, as misogynistic as that may sound.  A female Republican will get the Nom when she moves up from VP.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 12:05 PM (GTbGH)

126 122 Sarah Palin won't win, so she should not run.

Palin fans are understandably frustrated at the disgraceful attacks on her family.  But the numbers are what they are.  She's just not gonna be president.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 05:02 PM (XyoGP)

I honestly think she has a shot.  A solid shot.  She'll have to fight the media AND O'Commie, but I still think the majority of this country has had enough.

You might be surprised.  I'll vote for her and for the first time in my life, if she runs, I'll volunteer locally.

If she wins the primaries are you going to stay home and let O'Commie win?  Think about it.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:05 PM (x3YFz)

127 "Bachmann is the closest thing I've ever seen to Greg Stillson from Stephen King's The Dead Zone."

Greg Stillson did what he had to do to get ahead.  If that isn't presidential, I don't know what is.  But you go ahead and side with the commie psychic assassin, Jeff B.

PALIN/STILLSON '12

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:06 PM (uaEZS)

128 Look, you want to know something funny?  I almost WANT Palin to run at this point?  Why?  Because she can't win the primaries, but she will torpedo Bachmann.  That will result in Mitt Romney capturing the nomination, which is less than optimal (I STRONGLY prefer Pawlenty), but I suppose I can live with it. But more importantly, it will cancel out Bachmann without allowing Palin herself to capture the nomination. 

So run, Sarah, run!  Be Mitt's stalking horse!

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:07 PM (hIWe1)

129 As for Perry, he has his own set of negatives to overcome. So beware of finding a new "savior" of the Party for 2012.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 12:08 PM (M9Ie6)

130 To all the folks that don't think Sarah Palin would be a good president, please offer where you differ with her on domestic and foreign policy (you know... since we deal in ONLY FACTS here on AoS).

Where do you differ, and why?

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:09 PM (x3YFz)

131 Actually if BOTH Palin and Bachmann ran they would cancel each other and some of Perry. Romney will continue to implode by making statements like the one today (see headline thread) and T-Paw if he doesn't screw up may have a chance.

Then Cain still has a long shot chance.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 12:10 PM (M9Ie6)

132
94 - Palin has sold more books than any of the GOP wannabes and draws sell-out crowds wherever she goes. Case in point - her film premiere & post-showing barbeque in Iowa today were both sold out.


Just because the LSM wants to create false narratives does not mean it's the truth. Their mission is to stop Palin.

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 12:10 PM (HTR8y)

133 So beware of finding a new "savior" of the Party for 2012.

I like him better than the others so far.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 12:10 PM (GTbGH)

134 130 Look, you want to know something funny?  I almost WANT Palin to run at this point?  Why?  Because she can't win the primaries, but she will torpedo Bachmann.  That will result in Mitt Romney capturing the nomination, which is less than optimal (I STRONGLY prefer Pawlenty), but I suppose I can live with it. But more importantly, it will cancel out Bachmann without allowing Palin herself to capture the nomination. 

So run, Sarah, run!  Be Mitt's stalking horse!
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 05:07 PM (hIWe)

That's the most defeatist, lame, loserish line of logic I've read here in a while.  Do you even have balls?

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:10 PM (x3YFz)

135

So run, Sarah, run!  Be Mitt's stalking horse!

Careful what you wish for.  I think she would have a soild shot at the nomination unfortunately.

I've grown even less favorable with Mittens in recent weeks and I've never been a fan. Once upon a time I wouldn't be so pumped up for a used car salesman slickster from TX entering the race.  He's much preferable to mittens though.

As for people calling you a womyn hater.....weak debating tactics and not at all fair.  That's some lefty tactic bullshit.

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 12:12 PM (A0VTZ)

136 BRING IT I want the nationwide, coast-to-coast, ongoing media meltdown/freakout/nervous breakdown. I WANT IT. It really has to happen.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2011 12:13 PM (4YUWF)

137 137

So run, Sarah, run!  Be Mitt's stalking horse!

Careful what you wish for.  I think she would have a soild shot at the nomination unfortunately.

I've grown even less favorable with Mittens in recent weeks and I've never been a fan. Once upon a time I wouldn't be so pumped up for a used car salesman slickster from TX entering the race.  He's much preferable to mittens though.

As for people calling you a womyn hater.....weak debating tactics and not at all fair.  That's some lefty tactic bullshit.

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 05:12 PM (A0VTZ)

Why is that "unfortunate?"

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:14 PM (x3YFz)

138 109 94 72
Connect the dots on her last few moves. She is playing a brilliant chess game but many are blind.

I say "Run Sarah Run"! She has my support & my vote!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 04:38 PM (HTR8y)

If everything she's doing is so brilliant, why isn't she more popular?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 04:46 PM (LvQK2)

She's pretty popular.  Every working professional conservative woman I've met supports her.  Sit back and watch the show. 

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 04:54 PM (x3YFz)

No, she's really not.  Almost every poll I've seen has a majority of people viewing her unfavorably and some have a majority saying they would never vote for her.  And note what you just said: "Every working professional *conservative* woman" you know supports her.  That's like sampling the comments here or at Hot Air and extrapolating them to the whole country.  If you're only talking to conservatives, she seems unstoppable.  Once you're not talking to conservatives who don't read (and post on) blogs, she's not popular.

I like Palin fine, but I don't understand why her biggest supporters are so emphatic about her.  What has she done in her life that we need her to be the leader of the conservative movement?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 12:17 PM (LvQK2)

139 I've yet to see anyone here offer a solid opinion worth debating about Sarah Palin's domestic or foreign policy views.  You just hate her because it's cool to hate her.

Man (or Woman) the fuck up:  where do you differ on her views?  You're the nay-sayers, so back this shit up with facts.

Waiting....

(Oh, and you just not liking her because you've been programmed to... means you're a fucking dumbass, so providing facts will go a long way toward you not being thought of as a total dipshit).

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:17 PM (x3YFz)

140

Why is that "unfortunate?"

Because I don't believe she can beat OWaffle.  If she were to have any chance, the economy would have to crater (even more than it has), and even then she would only squeak by. 

I want this Anti American disaster repudiated completely, and crushed.  She can't do that in my humble opinion.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 12:17 PM (A0VTZ)

141 Even I find it hard to believe all of the MSM coverage  "The Undefeated" premiere is getting.  Reuters, AP, MSNBC, ABC, etc.

Pella, IA  authorities have blocked off  and barricaded most of the streets surrounding the theater, with satellite trucks lined up on Franklin Street.

And Sarah and Todd Palin spent a quiet lunch today with a Panera multi-state franchise owner and a well-known Iowa fundraiser. 

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:17 PM (HjPtV)

142 124--pls be more specific. What is the temperament issue.

Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2011 12:18 PM (6jOlR)

143 >>>That's the most defeatist, lame, loserish line of logic I've read here in a while.  Do you even have balls?

Ah, I see...so you come from the school of thought that says that anyone who doesn't support your preferred candidate is a loser who lacks balls. 

Don't you get it?  I DON'T WANT EITHER PALIN OR BACHMANN TO BE OUR NOMINEE.  Not only are both of them electoral poison -- they cannot win the election, and what the FUCK is the point of nominating someone who's fated to lose, especially when the stakes are so fucking important? -- they're both unqualified for the job.  It's not ABOUT agreeing or disagreeing with their stated positions, tangonine.  You don't seem to get that.  Both of them are exceedingly good at telling folks like you exactly what you want to hear, adopting positions that please people like you 100%.  And I don't really mind either of them in terms of their stances.  (Well, I have strong reason to believe that Bachmann isn't really a conservative out of conviction so much as she is a crafty, cynical opportunist, but that's neither here nor there.) 

I simply don't think that either Palin or Bachmann is competent to actually do the fucking job.  THAT is one of my major criteria, maybe the single most important one given the immense, grave crises we are facing as a nation.  A nice person who says the right slogans but doesn't evince a deeper understanding of the issues, or lacks the ability to run a staff or the political skill to manage staff and work with legislators, or the ability to deal with criticism, or the ability not to beclown him or herself all the goddamn time...that's not someone I want as president.  I don't care if that person adopts all the right stances, especially given the fact that I doubt their ability to actually implement them if they lack those skills I mentioned.

I would RATHER vote for someone who takes a few positions I disagree with, but actually seems like he or she can do that job.  And I guarantee you that's how most Americans think as well, especially these days.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:19 PM (hIWe1)

144 I think  11 is a sock and not actually the undead states as that doesn't strike me as something he would say.

Quick google says it's Dr Spank mixed in with some other dirty socks.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:19 PM (5d6vv)

145 132

I'll respond, but I'm not the best barometer, since I don't hold a lot of the same views as people here.

There have been articles written comparing and contrasting Marco Rubio's approach to foreign policy with Rand Paul's. To me, Rand has the good qualities of his father's outlook with few of the nutty, anti-Israeli, conspiracy-placating qualities.

Palin's foreign policy, in both the speeches she's given and in who she's associated with, are more in line with Rubio's more aggressive posture than with Paul's.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 12:20 PM (NdE8F)

146 I like Palin fine, but I don't understand why her biggest supporters are so emphatic about her.

I suspect that their anger at the brutally unfair treatment she received has caused them to dig their heels in.  Unfortunately, it seems to have completely blinded them to electoral reality.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 12:21 PM (XyoGP)

147 As for Perry, he has his own set of negatives to overcome. So beware of finding a new "savior" of the Party for 2012.

I just want Obama out and I think Perry can beat him.


Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:21 PM (5d6vv)

148 seen to Greg Stillson from Stephen King's The Dead Zone.  She's...a bad customer. That. I do not find the megalomaniacal qualities that I possess to be attractive in others.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 28, 2011 12:22 PM (lbo6/)

149 Because I don't believe she can beat OWaffle.

Yep.  My one worry as well.  And not just because it's Palin.  I really do still believe that it will be hard for the country to elect a woman straight into the presidency.  Even in this, the 21st Century. 

I was quite stoked when I thought she would have 8 years as VP, or maybe move up sooner when McCain stroked out.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 12:22 PM (GTbGH)

150 what the FUCK is the point of nominating someone who's fated to lose

Yeah, that would be a silly thing to do.

Posted by: John Kerry 2004 at June 28, 2011 12:22 PM (XyoGP)

151 I don't know if America is ready for a gay republican president.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2011 12:22 PM (k0TKJ)

152 Jeff B.

Palin is more competent in doing the job than Huckabee, Newt, Ron Paul, and (most importantly) than Obama.

So here is my opinion:  Let her run and see how things shake out.   Either she can make her case or she won't be able to.  Maybe her being in the mix will bring out qualities we haven't seen in the current crop of candidates.

And basically, foo to you. 


Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2011 12:23 PM (Fo83G)

153 JeffB,

What's your view on Herman Cain?

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2011 12:23 PM (NdE8F)

154 148 I like Palin fine, but I don't understand why her biggest supporters are so emphatic about her.

I suspect that their anger at the brutally unfair treatment she received has caused them to dig their heels in.  Unfortunately, it seems to have completely blinded them to electoral reality.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 05:21 PM (XyoGP)

I do think that's a lot of it.  2008 was a disaster but we need to just let it go and concentrate on 2012.

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 12:24 PM (LvQK2)

155 I have a question for the ardent Palin supporters.

If she announced that she is NOT running but throwing her whole-hearted support behind Candidate X, would you shift your allegiance to Candidate X?

Because I'm thinking that's the plan.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:25 PM (5d6vv)

156

"I genuinely hope you didn't mean this argument to be taken seriously. Otherwise I could simply gesture towards a passel of reality TV stars, musicians and actors, etc. who are rich and famous yet dumber than a sack of rocks. The cast of The Jersey Shore, anyone?"

I'll see your Jersey Shore and raise you "The View"!

She's running and she will turn the Chitown Clown into a bigger sobbing mass of inconsequentila than John Boehner!

Let "Little" Chrissy Wallace call sarah a flack and have his ass handed to him.

Posted by: concealed Kerry or submitt at June 28, 2011 12:25 PM (vXqv3)

157

143 - Palin Power baby!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 12:26 PM (HTR8y)

158 140 109 94 72
Connect the dots on her last few moves. She is playing a brilliant chess game but many are blind.

I say "Run Sarah Run"! She has my support & my vote!

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 04:38 PM (HTR8y)

If everything she's doing is so brilliant, why isn't she more popular?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 04:46 PM (LvQK2)

She's pretty popular.  Every working professional conservative woman I've met supports her.  Sit back and watch the show. 

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 04:54 PM (x3YFz)

No, she's really not.  Almost every poll I've seen has a majority of people viewing her unfavorably and some have a majority saying they would never vote for her.  And note what you just said: "Every working professional *conservative* woman" you know supports her.  That's like sampling the comments here or at Hot Air and extrapolating them to the whole country.  If you're only talking to conservatives, she seems unstoppable.  Once you're not talking to conservatives who don't read (and post on) blogs, she's not popular.

I like Palin fine, but I don't understand why her biggest supporters are so emphatic about her.  What has she done in her life that we need her to be the leader of the conservative movement?

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 05:17 PM (LvQK2)

Yup.  guilty.  I only sample women that work for a living (I'd guess about 80% of which are conservative).  What was I thinking.  My sample size is, admittedly, only in the 100 or less (probably about 80) women.  Professionals.  Women.  Many military.  All vote.

I don't frequent the hippie hangouts, but I've never known a hippie that could be labeled a "professional."  They mostly habit rock shops or tattoo parlors, and they won't be voting.

It's absolutely anecdotal, but... I'd bet the rent that my anecdotal evidence would apply 100, 300, 1K miles from here.  I'm a physicist.  I'm a Richard Feynman disciple.  I know solid evidence when I see it.

And regarding your last sentence:  "What has she done in her life that we need her to be the leader of the conservative movement?"

I'm going to avoid the obvious lack of "what the fuck did obama do?" (that motherfucker hasn't done anything but run for dogcatcher and avoid responsibility, and play golf, from day 1) and just go right to this:  I've seen her, she doesn't lie.  She wears her heart on her sleeve and she would put our nation first. 

I

Trust

Her.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:27 PM (x3YFz)

159 I have a question for the ardent Palin supporters.

I won't vote for Obama.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:27 PM (HjPtV)

160 "If she announced that she is NOT running but throwing her whole-hearted support behind Candidate X, would you shift your allegiance to Candidate X?"

No, not necessarily, but I've never been interested in Sarah Palin as "kingmaker."

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:29 PM (uaEZS)

161 I won't vote for Obama.

Well, I meant GOP Candidate X. 

Or are you saying you'll stay home if it's not Palin?

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:30 PM (5d6vv)

162 157 I have a question for the ardent Palin supporters.

If she announced that she is NOT running but throwing her whole-hearted support behind Candidate X, would you shift your allegiance to Candidate X?

Because I'm thinking that's the plan.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 05:25 PM (5d6vv)

No.

Question answered?  Good.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:30 PM (x3YFz)

163 If Sarah Palin were interested in being a kingmaker, she would have crowned the king by now.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:31 PM (HjPtV)

164

"I was quite stoked when I thought she would have 8 years as VP, or maybe move up sooner when McCain stroked out."

 

The greasy old fool stroked out?

Bloody hell I've been on vaca and missed it!

 

Where's the fossil to be entombed? Next to dead Ted? I see the Supremes gave him another spankin way to go douche, screw up the country as an R. I for one am damn glad that fool didn't win or the R's would be forever tarnished as the D's and black folk are by the Chitown Clown

Posted by: concealed Kerry or submitt at June 28, 2011 12:31 PM (vXqv3)

165 163 I won't vote for Obama.

Well, I meant GOP Candidate X. 

Or are you saying you'll stay home if it's not Palin?

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 05:30 PM (5d6vv)

No matter how the primaries turn out, I'd vote for the lizard I saw today on the rocks outside my house, and I'll go to the booth.  Nobama, motherfuckers.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:31 PM (x3YFz)

166 #157  I would look at whoever she endorsed.  And there is value in getting a lot of dedicated Palinistas working for a candidate,  with Palin campaigning and encouraging them.

However,  I look at each candidate based on my own knowledge and beliefs,  so although she would get me to look at someone,  that is not a guarantee that I would support that person.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2011 12:32 PM (Fo83G)

167 >>>JeffB,

>>>What's your view on Herman Cain?

I actually like Cain a LOT on a personal level -- seems like a straight shooter, and a solid guy.  But he lacks any sort of relevant experience for the job, and the many gaffes he's made on the campaign trail so far are evidence of that.  (The "I won't appoint Muslims" thing was the worst, but his walkback of his debt plan was nearly as bad and his ignorance of major foreign policy matters is also a big problem.)  I do like his very un-politicianlike willingness to say "hey, my bad, I fucked up," and it makes me think he would make a wonderful candidate for lower office (Congressman, Senator, Governor, etc.), but he simply isn't qualified for the job as things stand.

As I've said already, I place an extra high premium on experience and competence right now.  The problems we're facing as a nation are so huge that we can't afford someone who can't hack the actual job, their positions notwithstanding.  This, in fact, is why I find myself willing to swallow Romney as the nominee despite having a number of problems with his positions -- at least he's got a history of governing experience and a great reputation as a turnaround expert.

The one candidate out there who combines experience, intelligence, and the right positions is Pawlenty.  That's why he's my guy, and that's why I'm desperately hoping he'll take off as a candidate. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:33 PM (hIWe1)

168 No, not necessarily, but I've never been interested in Sarah Palin as "kingmaker."


Well, I'm also thinking about the whole PUMA thing. The Hillary supporters who vehemently hated Obama for stealing the nomination from Hillary. There was a lot of talk of staying home or voting McCain, but in the end, they submitted and voted for Obama.

Will Palin supporters suck it up and vote for the GOP nominee when the time comes?

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:33 PM (5d6vv)

169 "No matter how the primaries turn out, I'd vote for the lizard I saw today on the rocks outside my house, and I'll go to the booth.  Nobama, motherfuckers."

The only problem I have with this statement is that I'm afraid that the GOP establishment is counting on it too much.

I don't want them feeling comfortable and confident.  I want them so scared they're crapping their pants.  I want them desperately afraid that I'll stay home next year if their nominee stinks.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:34 PM (uaEZS)

170 I'm having trouble understanding how someone for whom Electablility is Issue 1 gravitates to TPaw. A guy stuck in low single digits. Electability voters swear by polls and that would seem inevitably to lead one to "frontrunner" Romney--at least until he comes in 4th again in SC. Methinks TPaw is just Jeff Bs beard.

Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2011 12:34 PM (6jOlR)

171 Well, I meant GOP Candidate X.

And I had that in mind when I said that I won't vote for Obama.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:34 PM (HjPtV)

172 If Sarah Palin were interested in being a kingmaker, she would have crowned the king by now.


The king may not have announced yet. 

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:34 PM (5d6vv)

173 160 And regarding your last sentence:  "What has she done in her life that we need her to be the leader of the conservative movement?"

I'm going to avoid the obvious lack of "what the fuck did obama do?" (that motherfucker hasn't done anything but run for dogcatcher and avoid responsibility, and play golf, from day 1) and just go right to this:  I've seen her, she doesn't lie.  She wears her heart on her sleeve and she would put our nation first. 

I

Trust

Her.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 05:27 PM (x3YFz)

But that's my point: Obama sucks.  Is Sarah Palin just the conservative version of Obama -- a person with a razor thin resume who just makes us feel good?  Back in 2008 I had a friend who supported Obama and I asked her what she liked so much about him.  She got flustered and finally just said "I like the way I feel when he talks!"

It was awful logic (and even she seemed embarrassed that that's all she could come up with), but that's basically what I'm hearing from Palin supporters.  "She's real!  I just know it!"

I don't know if she's real and I don't know if I trust her judgment.  I know she says the right things on TV and I know her resume is thin.  That's about it.

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 12:35 PM (LvQK2)

174 And I had that in mind when I said that I won't vote for Obama.


Ok, just making sure I didn't put some unintentional ambiguity in my question.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:35 PM (5d6vv)

175 Saw Michelle Bachmann today on tv, and it seemed like she had been strongly Botoxed. Uncomfortable resemblace to Pelosi. Anybody else notice? I hate what botox does to women's faces.

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2011 12:36 PM (pcdjz)

176 Saw Michelle Bachmann today on tv

I thought she interviewed well on F&F this morning.  That may be considered a friendly audience though.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 12:38 PM (GTbGH)

177 Herman Cain should run for Senate.  He's too weak on foreign policy and too inexperienced in politics to be president.  But he's an extremely smart guy who would make solid fiscal decisions.  He should be a Senator.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 12:38 PM (XyoGP)

178 The king may not have announced yet.

If Rick "Used Cars" Perry had a signed  endorsement contract with Sarah Palin's signature on it, he would have announced his candidacy months ago.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:38 PM (HjPtV)

179 "Well, I'm also thinking about the whole PUMA thing. The Hillary supporters who vehemently hated Obama for stealing the nomination from Hillary. There was a lot of talk of staying home or voting McCain, but in the end, they submitted and voted for Obama.

Will Palin supporters suck it up and vote for the GOP nominee when the time comes?"

It's a really bad comparison.

First of all, I worked side by side with a lot of PUMAs in 2008.  We canvassed door to door in Pennsylvania on behalf of McCain.  Wait, excuse me a moment...

*throws up violently at the sickening memory of canvassing door-to-door on behalf of John McCain*

The PUMAs I worked with weren't just opposing Obama.  They drank the McCain Kool-Aid, just as I did.  Excuse me a moment...

*throws up violently at the sickening memory of taking gallons of McCain Kool-Aid. right in the mouth over and over.*

Anyway, no way those particular PUMAs voted for Barack Obama on election day.  They weren't ambivalent about him.  They hated his effing guts, so much so that they convinced themselves that McCain (and Palin) was the best candidate.

So in order for your comparison to work, not only would I have to reject the GOP nominee, I'd have to become a fervent, committed Hopenchanging Obama supporter.

And that would be impossible.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:39 PM (uaEZS)

180 Herman Cain should run for Senate.

He's tried that and failed, alas.

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 12:39 PM (GTbGH)

181
140 - The LSM polls said Reagan & Bush 43 would not get elected. I don't let the LSM choose my candidates.

If you want to why I support Sarah, read her emails & watch "The Undefeated".

Posted by: derised1 at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (HTR8y)

182 If Rick "Used Cars" Perry had a signed  endorsement contract with Sarah Palin's signature on it, he would have announced his candidacy months ago.


Oh, I don't think it's anything official yet.

And it would be unseemly for the Governor of Texas to announce his candidacy for President while our legislature is in session.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:42 PM (5d6vv)

183 The most interesting thing about a Palin presidency would be watching the press go apeshit.  What smears could they come up with that they haven't already tried?  What greater repudiation could there be to the press than to see the American people reject their narrative and elect Palin anyway?

I think the attacks would limit her effectiveness since the goal would be to make her always be on the defensive but if you think about it how many Republicans play any offense even on their best day?  At least she would give as good as she gets.

I'm not a social conservative at all but I think on the fiscal side she is the only one who would come close to walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.  She is already hated so who better to trim entitlements?

On the downside I can't stand listening to her accent.  But since I am not a leftist I can ignore the superficial stuff.

Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (JKX4x)

184 >> Post what you think, think before you post, and quit being a whiney ass.

Slow down cowboy. Wasn't whining about anything, just a throwaway joke.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (qndXR)

185 So in order for your comparison to work, not only would I have to reject the GOP nominee, I'd have to become a fervent, committed Hopenchanging Obama supporter.

And that would be impossible.


Perhaps not the best comparison, but I'm just spitballin' here.

Just wondering if there are those so enamored of Palin (or any of the candidates) that they will stay home if she's not nominated. Or if there is a potential candidate so universally hated that voters will stay home.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:45 PM (5d6vv)

186 175 160

I don't know if she's real and I don't know if I trust her judgment.  I know she says the right things on TV and I know her resume is thin.  That's about it.

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 05:35 PM (LvQK2)

I can't decide for you, brother.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:45 PM (x3YFz)

187 >>>Electability voters swear by polls and that would seem inevitably to lead one to "frontrunner" Romney--at least until he comes in 4th again in SC.

>>>Methinks TPaw is just Jeff Bs beard.

This is stupid.  If I supported Romney I would simply come out and say so.  It's not like it would be a heretical position; he IS the current frontrunner, after all.  We have a couple of Morons who are Romney backers/defenders around here (JackStraw, for example), so it's not like it would even be some sort of secret shame. 

No, I support Pawlenty because (as I've already said) he has the experience, the intelligence, and the right positions IMO.  He's also electable in the general election, which certainly helps.  (Whether he can win the primaries is another matter entirely, as we are seeing.)

Stop looking for dumb conspiracy theories, buddy.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:46 PM (hIWe1)

188  Then she got plastic surgery.  And now she's written a book where she blames Levi Johnston for her losing her virginity.  Tremendous.

Posted by: robviously at June 28, 2011 04:42 PM (LvQK2)

If you're going to spout something as fact, it's best to get your facts straight and quit spewing leftist talking points.

Posted by: Steph at June 28, 2011 12:46 PM (VfTQp)

189 186 >> Post what you think, think before you post, and quit being a whiney ass.

Slow down cowboy. Wasn't whining about anything, just a throwaway joke.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at June 28, 2011 05:43 PM (qndXR)

I remain unamused.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:47 PM (x3YFz)

190 And now she's written a book where she blames Levi Johnston for her losing her virginity.



What? She gave it to him and he lost it? What a douche.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:49 PM (5d6vv)

191 "Just wondering if there are those so enamored of Palin (or any of the candidates) that they will stay home if she's not nominated. Or if there is a potential candidate so universally hated that voters will stay home."

Well, I will say this.  If the nominee ends up looking like McCain 2.0, if he (or she) runs around bashing social cons, telling everyone they have nothing to fear from Obama's re-election, and exhorting everyone to fight (and then not fighting), I'd have to give serious thought to whether I could cast an affirmative vote for that person.

And before anyone gives me crap about that, I'll just point out that at least one of the co-bloggers here, Drew M., had almost exactly that same position about McCain back in 2008.

I want Obama gone, but I'm not going to be the GOP's bitch, especially if they insist on crapping on me as they demand fealty.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:50 PM (uaEZS)

192   @160---fucking bingo.


  This person WALKS the talk.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 28, 2011 12:51 PM (ud5dN)

193 In other words, I am the GOP base, and they had better not take me for granted just because Obama sucks.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:52 PM (uaEZS)

194 >>>I'm not a social conservative at all but I think on the fiscal side she is the only one who would come close to walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.  She is already hated so who better to trim entitlements?

Um, how about someone who can actually convince his or her party members to take those painful votes, as well as perhaps coax a few from across the aisle, and shepherd the whole thing through both houses of Congress?  That might be the person who's better suited to trimming entitlements.  Someone who is 'hated' isn't going to be able to do that -- Congresscritters aren't about to cast their lot with a President who's less popular than herpes, regardless of whether they share the same party.

And as far as "walking the walk," why wouldn't a candidate with a proven fiscal record (like, say, Pawlenty with his 150+ vetoes, his two MN state shutdowns over budget matters, his refusal to raise taxes, and his A grade from the Cato Institute) be better qualified than someone like Sarah Palin, who never faced any tough financial matters in Alaska, and whose one major legislative accomplishment involved raising taxes on oil companies?  It's almost as if the candidate's actual RECORDS don't even matter...it's just about a likable face making soothing statements.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 12:53 PM (hIWe1)

195 142

Why is that "unfortunate?"

Because I don't believe she can beat OWaffle.  If she were to have any chance, the economy would have to crater (even more than it has), and even then she would only squeak by. 

I want this Anti American disaster repudiated completely, and crushed.  She can't do that in my humble opinion.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 05:17 PM (A0VTZ)

If Sarah can't do that, who do you think can?  I'd have thought...No... I think... she's absolutely the candidate that could ass-stomp this anti-american, anti-success wave that's cancering our nation.  Who do you offer, pray tell, that would do a better job of placing America first?

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 12:53 PM (x3YFz)

196 Just wondering if there are those so enamored of Palin (or any of the candidates) that they will stay home if she's not nominated. Or if there is a potential candidate so universally hated that voters will stay home.

At least you keep an open mind  ...  uuhhhh  ...  what's your tag again? 

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 12:54 PM (HjPtV)

197 At least you keep an open mind  ...  uuhhhh  ...  what's your tag again? 


Perry's my choice unless something better comes along.

If he's not nominated, I will vote for who does get nominated.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 28, 2011 12:55 PM (5d6vv)

198 If Sarah Palin were interested in being a kingmaker, she would have crowned the king by now.

That is ludicrous, only a few of the Candidates have "officially" announced so far. It is still way way early in this campaign.

Nobody has endorsed a candidate yet and I don't expect to see endorsements rolling out until after the first 3 primaries at least. And a lot of people will hold out to the bitter end.

I don't know what it is about endorsements because most of them aren't worth a shit,.but the politicians trade them like damn baseball cards during an election.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 12:56 PM (M9Ie6)

199 If Sarah Palin gets nominated I'll vote for her, but we'll lose for sure.  Obviously.

If Ron Paul is nominated, I'll actually vote for Obama.

If Mitt Romney is nominated... well, I'm still making my mind up.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 12:58 PM (XyoGP)

200 I don't want them feeling comfortable and confident.

I hope the 50 Tea Party folks stormin the NSRC headquarters gave them a good feeling on that score today (see headline thread if you can find it among all the flames at Gabe).

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 12:58 PM (M9Ie6)

201 "If Ron Paul is nominated, I'll actually vote for Obama."

If Ron Paul is nominated, I'd expect him to endorse Obama at some point.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 12:59 PM (uaEZS)

202  be better qualified than someone like Sarah Palin, who never faced any tough financial matters in Alaska, and whose one major legislative accomplishment involved raising taxes on oil companies?  It's almost as if the candidate's actual RECORDS don't even matter...it's just about a likable face making soothing statements.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 05:53 PM (hIWe1

Do you actually do research on a candidate or do you get your talking points from bullshit media spin?

Sarah worked closely with Dems and Republicans to get her agenda enacted in AK.   She, also, left her state with a $12 billion surplus, and Dems and Repubs in her own state have stated that fact.

I read threads not just on Palin, but other candidates, too, and the one thing I've come to realize is that most of you just spout talking points without any basis for fact behind them.    RECORDS do matter, but it would be nice if you had any idea what the records actually show.

Posted by: Steph at June 28, 2011 12:59 PM (VfTQp)

203 196 >>>I'm not a social conservative at all but I think on the fiscal side she is the only one who would come close to walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.  She is already hated so who better to trim entitlements?

Um, how about someone who can actually convince his or her party members to take those painful votes, as well as perhaps coax a few from across the aisle, and shepherd the whole thing through both houses of Congress?  That might be the person who's better suited to trimming entitlements.  Someone who is 'hated' isn't going to be able to do that -- Congresscritters aren't about to cast their lot with a President who's less popular than herpes, regardless of whether they share the same party.

And as far as "walking the walk," why wouldn't a candidate with a proven fiscal record (like, say, Pawlenty with his 150+ vetoes, his two MN state shutdowns over budget matters, his refusal to raise taxes, and his A grade from the Cato Institute) be better qualified than someone like Sarah Palin, who never faced any tough financial matters in Alaska, and whose one major legislative accomplishment involved raising taxes on oil companies?  It's almost as if the candidate's actual RECORDS don't even matter...it's just about a likable face making soothing statements.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 05:53 PM (hIWe1)

wow.  that really sounds like John (I got shot the fuck down) McCain.

"Meet in the middle."  "We'll sacrifice what's right for what's expedient" mentality.


Fuck that shit.  We've had enough of the "come together and jimmy carter blesses our diplomatic efforts cuz we're all getting along." 

Right is Right.  Wrong is wrong.  Stupid is stupid.

Man the fuck up.  take a side.  defend what's right, and then never flinch or feel any remorse when you explain your vote/action to your 8 year old daughter, who will have to live with your decision.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:01 PM (x3YFz)

204 I hope the final field doesn't shake out until November. I want the Dems to have severe acid indigestion wondering who else they need to do opposition research on. Heck, I want Trump to do round two.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at June 28, 2011 01:01 PM (KzriB)

205 Posted by: texette at June 28, 2011 05:36 PM (pcdjz)

You are so FOS. If you don't like her politics say so and why, but leave all the BS personal attacks.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:01 PM (M9Ie6)

206 If Sarah Palin gets nominated I'll vote for her, but we'll lose for sure.  Obviously.

If Ron Paul is nominated, I'll actually vote for Obama.

If Mitt Romney is nominated... well, I'm still making my mind up.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 05:58 PM (XyoGP)

And, people like you are one of the reasons this country is so fucked up.

Posted by: Steph at June 28, 2011 01:03 PM (VfTQp)

207 And, people like you are one of the reasons this country is so fucked up.

Hey, Steph?  Lighten up.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 01:04 PM (XyoGP)

208 208 If Sarah Palin gets nominated I'll vote for her, but we'll lose for sure.  Obviously.

If Ron Paul is nominated, I'll actually vote for Obama.

If Mitt Romney is nominated... well, I'm still making my mind up.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 05:58 PM (XyoGP)

You're an idiot.  You should actually go kill yourself.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:05 PM (x3YFz)

209

I don't know what it is about endorsements because most of them aren't worth a shit,.but the politicians trade them like damn baseball cards during an election.
I'll trade you my 2008 Palin for your 96 Phil Gramm, 80 Howard Baker, and 2000 Orrin Hatch.

Anyhoo, I saw you talkin Bourbon and black and tans earlier.  If you ever get down this way, hit me up and I'll buy you a drink.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 01:05 PM (A0VTZ)

210 So those of you that aren't so keen on Palin, will you vote for her in the primaries knowing that there are a lot of conservatives who will vote for her, or will YOU split the vote. It goes both ways you know...

Posted by: smalltowngirl at June 28, 2011 01:06 PM (PedQN)

211

the only rep i wont vote for is ron paul - hell i'll even vote for the doofus from new mexico.  yeah, the judiciary is screwed if we don't stop obumbfcuk.

that being said, plz don't run sarah.  the crying from your psycho cult WHEN you lose will make laugh so much I fear I will never accomplish another thing.  I'll just laugh at tepid air 24/7

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:07 PM (VxqUc)

212 All of you folks know about Romney's reevaluation today based on some radical statements he made in an interview right????

One of the other Morons clued me in and I found a link and updated it. Also redid his flip flops and treated him the same way as T-paw was treated.

He is now at a summary level of -6 failing every test and even out-liberals Huntsman.

BTW, his statements were right damn out of the McCain playbook almost verbatim. If he keeps that shit up, he will be virtually unelectable in ANY State.

Although Ch-Town seemed to agree with him.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:08 PM (M9Ie6)

213 or will YOU split the vote. It goes both ways you know

Yes, it certainly does, which is why these discussions tend to get so snippy.

But still, there's no way I'm gonna nominate somebody who I know will lose.

Guys like tangonine can rage all they want, but it's not my fault that the numbers are what they are.  Sure, I'd vote for her in the general, but I cannot in good conscience vote in the primary for a lost cause.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 01:10 PM (XyoGP)

214 If you ever get down this way, hit me up and I'll buy you a drink.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 06:05 PM (A0VTZ)

LOL, thanks. I do plan to make it down there to Tommy Condon's at least once more. We'll trade drinks and I'll have to get you one too. But two B&Ts is about a full meal.

(Especially if we do shots of bourbon on the side)

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:11 PM (M9Ie6)

215 So those of you that aren't so keen on Palin, will you vote for her in the primaries knowing that there are a lot of conservatives who will vote for her, or will YOU split the vote. It goes both ways you know...

I thought that's what primaries are for.  Who knew?

Posted by: toby928™ at June 28, 2011 01:13 PM (GTbGH)

216 No, it's not ludicrous.  It's politics 101, Vic.

The argument has been offered that Palin isn't interested in running - she just wants to be kingmaker.  What's in it for a kingmaker at Palin's level of influence?
The VP slot?  Money?  Fame?  A promise of support in a 2020 run? meh, meh, meh, and meh.

The classic move for a "kingmaker" is to identify the likely nominee EARLY and announce an endorsement as soon as possible, then moving on to raising money, and exciting voters for the king. The earlier the endorsement, the better for the kingmaker and the GOP establishment.  If Palin went strong for Perry or Pawlenty in April, where would that candidate be now against Romney?

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2011 01:14 PM (HjPtV)

217 Sure, I'd vote for her in the general, but I cannot in good conscience vote in the primary for a lost cause.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 06:10 PM

I totally agree. I too in good conscience will not vote in the primary for a lost cost.

 

Posted by: smalltowngirl at June 28, 2011 01:15 PM (PedQN)

218

(Especially if we do shots of bourbon on the side)

Obligatory!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 28, 2011 01:16 PM (A0VTZ)

219 Look, we're arguing amongst people that are pretty well informed.  We all scrub the news sites daily we're on top of what every candidate says on pretty much a 2-hour lag.

You guys do realize that we are about a 10% (and that's generous) minority of the voting public?

I know how hard it is to inform co-workers and friends.  They all look at you like "you're the crazy guy/gal that does politics!"

Don't give up.  I don't care if you hate sarah palin, love tim pawlenty, or want to blow sarah mcclaughlin (yes, I said that).

If the don't vote, make them vote.  If they are stupid hippies, educate them. 

From experience, I know it takes time.  All those stupid people have stupid friends.  But given the time, and effort,, you can turn the most tatted out, pierced, (omg those chicks are hot) girl from Whole Foods into a thinking person who realizes that they have individual rights worth defending. 

Do it.  Get out there.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:16 PM (x3YFz)

220 #196,  Jeff why do you think that mild-mannered Governor Pawlenty is going to be able to convince those RINOS in congress to cut the budget?

I don't dislike Pawlenty,  and will vote for whoever is the nominee.  Explain to me how you think PAwlenty will stand up to Obama's thugs.  I am willing to listen.

PS..Palin has already withstood the attacks.  Pawllenty is going to have to show as much toughness.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2011 01:19 PM (Fo83G)

221

" Every working professional conservative woman I've met supports her. "

Ummmmmmmm, I'm a working, professional conservative woman and I don't support her.......

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:22 PM (VxqUc)

222 By the time the primaries get to colorado, it's over.  Which is on one hand, bullshit, but, nonetheless... We just vote for whoever is not Obama.  period.

My vote means nothing.  Lovely system we have, but it's true.  The primaries, the presidential election, all that shit is decided way before it hits here.  All I can do is vote for my local rep and my senators.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:22 PM (x3YFz)

223 Oh. and I do get to vote for my sheriff.  who I love.  Great guy, signature on my concealed carry permit, his grand daddy was a friend of my grand daddy.  It's what makes this the wild west and why you coastal shitbags aren't welcome. 

Stay on the coasts.  Don't come to colorado.  Don't come to Oklahoma.  Don't come to Utah.

We don't want you.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:26 PM (x3YFz)

224 Nora:  I am a working woman and former professional (now retired) and I do supprt Palin.

So anecdotal evidence means nothing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2011 01:26 PM (Fo83G)

225 224

" Every working professional conservative woman I've met supports her. "

Ummmmmmmm, I'm a working, professional conservative woman and I don't support her.......

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 06:22 PM (VxqUc)

You took the quote out of context, because you know I qualified it with an 80% number, but failed to add that.

typical.  I'd expect no less deception from the haters.  thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:28 PM (x3YFz)

226 Miss Marple - I totally agree.  I was negating the anecdotal evidence the other commenter was making.

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:29 PM (VxqUc)

227 Time to close this thread. Like always degenerates to a flame war.

We'll get together down there in C-Town Delta. In fact, I try to get her don this Summer.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:30 PM (M9Ie6)

228 " I'd expect no less deception from the haters.  thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:28 PM (x3YFz) "

I was negating the anecdotal evidence.  Why must sarah supporters go so psycho? So, no, thank you for proving my point I made up thread aobut her supporters.

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:31 PM (VxqUc)

229 230 Time to close this thread. Like always degenerates to a flame war.

We'll get together down there in C-Town Delta. In fact, I try to get her don this Summer.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 06:30 PM (M9Ie6)

Could you please repeat that in English?

"C-Town Delta. In fact,I try to get her don this summer."

What in the metric fuck?  Did you stumble on a Mayan-English translator that went off the rails? 

And it's time for you to close your reply button, that's about it.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:34 PM (x3YFz)

230 always degenerates to a flame war

Wait, that's a bad thing?

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 01:35 PM (XyoGP)

231 231 " I'd expect no less deception from the haters.  thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:28 PM (x3YFz) "

I was negating the anecdotal evidence.  Why must sarah supporters go so psycho? So, no, thank you for proving my point I made up thread aobut her supporters.

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 06:31 PM (VxqUc)

Where is it, exactly, where I went "psycho?"


Waiting....

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:35 PM (x3YFz)

232 "

Waiting....

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:35 PM (x3YFz) "

sorry, had to go potty.  Is that ok with you?

Pointing out to you that not every conservative working professional woman (anecdotal evidence) supports Sarah becomes H8er!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!  That's psycho.

 

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:39 PM (VxqUc)

233  "So, no, thank you for proving my point I made up thread aobut her supporters"

To quote Samuel L. Jackson: 

"English, motherfucker; do you speak it?"

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:40 PM (x3YFz)

234 235 "

Waiting....

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:35 PM (x3YFz) "

sorry, had to go potty.  Is that ok with you?

Pointing out to you that not every conservative working professional woman (anecdotal evidence) supports Sarah becomes H8er!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!  That's psycho.

 

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 06:39 PM (VxqUc)

Yeah.  I get it.  You're in the 20% that hates sarah palin.

Beyond that, your point is?....???

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:41 PM (x3YFz)

235

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:41 PM (x3YFz)

if you believe that "HATERS" (how Meggie Mac of you - aw sweet!) are only 20% you are more psycho and delusional then I thought

TTFN (Meggie Mac speak just for you!)

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 01:45 PM (VxqUc)

236 238

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 06:41 PM (x3YFz)

if you believe that "HATERS" (how Meggie Mac of you - aw sweet!) are only 20% you are more psycho and delusional then I thought

TTFN (Meggie Mac speak just for you!)

Posted by: Nora at June 28, 2011 06:45 PM (VxqUc)

You obviously didn't read what I wrote.  And you're obviously disturbed. 

Go vote for Obama, then.  Off with you.

Posted by: tangonine at June 28, 2011 01:46 PM (x3YFz)

237 Some say you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

But not tangonine.  Vinegar?  It is to laugh.  Man up and use burning gasoline!

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2011 01:59 PM (XyoGP)

238 Yo, Vic--I have nothing against her politics. I was shocked at how frozen her face was. It was bad. Chill out.

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2011 02:01 PM (pcdjz)

239

CARS 2 is all about a hillbilly fighting big oil.  I think Palin copied the script for her movie.

Posted by: IllegalslovePerry at June 28, 2011 02:44 PM (jU9VM)

240

"You're an idiot.  You should actually go kill yourself."

Good effing grief.  I'm a pretty rabid supporter of Sarah Palin, and I hate that guys like you are also behind her, because you make all of us look like imbeciles when you post crap like that.

I'd much rather have no relation to posts like that one at all.  Do better.  Don't post stupid things.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 03:00 PM (uaEZS)

241 More anecdotal commentary: there is a very large evangelical contingent judging from conversations I have had here in N. Texas that will absolutely NEVER vote for Romney - or any RINO for that matter - even if they secure the nomination. We will vote in every down ballot race, but after the GOP ass-rape in NY, we're done with anyone from that faction. If another RINO secures the nomination, you can kiss a large chunk of the GOP base goodbye for quite awhile.

Posted by: goozer at June 28, 2011 03:20 PM (vQcKN)

242 >> I remain unamused. Duly noted, Mr. Petronius sir. You shall have right of first refusal on all my future comments.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at June 28, 2011 03:47 PM (kiDGo)

243 do you mean you lost them? I was just sitting down with McCauley A HALF HOUR AGO! Posted by: convert mts files at Judo you mean you lost them? I was just sitting down with McCauley A HALF HOUR AGO! Posted by: rip blu ray at Judo you mean you lost them? I was just sitting down with McCauley A HALF HOUR AGO! video to ipad converter Poat Ju

Posted by: chaeli at June 28, 2011 06:39 PM (Oir6w)

244 11 All you Palin supporters are retarded like her kid.
Posted by: War Between the Mostly Dead States at June 28, 2011 04:15 PM (k0TKJ)

Sick shit, whoever you are.  Truly sick shit.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at June 28, 2011 06:55 PM (QNENL)

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