January 30, 2007
— Ace WMD... but the actual chemical weapon payload was a dud. The attack killed 16, however.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE UNIT COMPOUND IN RAMADI ATTACKED BY SVBIED
AR RAMADI, Iraq Emergency Response Unit personnel, Iraqi Police, and civilians northwest of Ramadi were attacked by a suicide vehicle-born improvised explosive device (SVBIED) early Sunday. Coalition forces responded to the attack to provide immediate medical assistance and evacuate the wounded to medical facilities.
Along with the suicide bomber, 16 people were killed by the attack.
The SVBIED was a dump truck filled with explosives and included a chlorine tank. The truck crashed into the Emergency Response Unit compound and detonated. There are no indications of any casualties caused by the release of chlorine gas.
Thanks to Chuck.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Breaking news from Observer5 -- if you can believe this, chlorine is a "common chemical" (I had no idea), and therefore this is not a WMD attack.
Posted by: Steve O at January 30, 2007 04:42 PM (6dr4E)
Posted by: Professor Science at January 30, 2007 04:56 PM (rA1CV)
Keep us updated with these important bits of obscure information.
PS, when germans used Chlorine gas in WWI, was that a WMD attack, or a common-chemical-we-shouldn't-worry-about attack?
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 04:58 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: Toby928 at January 30, 2007 04:59 PM (PD1tk)
Nice try at the "We found the WMD" bullshit.
Posted by: Professor Science at January 30, 2007 05:00 PM (rA1CV)
Posted by: Fred at January 30, 2007 05:01 PM (qfNFY)
The treatment of the "pesticide" buried in bunkers should really have convinced you we can't win this argument.
Posted by: Al at January 30, 2007 05:02 PM (4Thhc)
Really? CLOROX CONTAINS CHLORINE???!!!
Good Lord, you are positively exploding with chemical trivia!
You're like three seconds away from being banned for general fucking retardation.
Are you fucking drunk?
Or are you so smugly self-satisfied with your excruciatingly mediocre intellect you really think you have to inform people that CHLORINE, SOLD BY THE FUCKING GALLONS IN POOL SUPPLIES AND HOUSEHOLD CLEANERS, IS A "COMMON FUCKING INDUSTRIAL CHEMICAL"?
Just because this is a fact YOU'RE surprised you know don't take it as something non-retards are suprised to learn.
Posted by: Ace at January 30, 2007 05:04 PM (4qddO)
I don't really understand the dividing line between WMD and other munitions anyway -- at what point does a regular weapon become a WMD? Is a Fuel Air Explosive (a "daisy cutter") a WMD? Does it depend on size, or just efficiency (i.e., how many human deaths it can cause in a single blast)? Chemical weapons generally are pretty poor in efficiency, rarely inflicting more than a 5% casualty rate even if used in a surprise attack.
All this does is confirm what I've been thinking: a) that Ramadi is going to have to be reduced in order for Anbar to be pacified, and b) that the bad guys are getting desperate, and are resorting to "extravaganza" attacks to attract press attention.
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 05:05 PM (7Iqke)
I won't bother to tell you what NBC means, because, unlike the SubRetard Observer5, I'm not sitting here thinking I'm the only person who knows a fucking basic-level fact.
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 05:07 PM (4qddO)
Right on. Alas, they know their market.
Posted by: Toby928 at January 30, 2007 05:08 PM (PD1tk)
Of course it would've been better if the guy moving the post wasn't an asshat, but you take what you can get.
Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2007 05:09 PM (w/nDv)
Posted by: Fred at January 30, 2007 05:11 PM (qfNFY)
Posted by: eman at January 30, 2007 05:12 PM (FWrFx)
Translation: you punked me out and made me look like a fucking fool by pointing out the obvious.
Posted by: Professor Science at January 30, 2007 05:13 PM (rA1CV)
More than likely this is due to their diet.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:14 PM (4qddO)
So I'm really "punkin'" you all here with my's mad informationz.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:15 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: Observer (with an IQ of) 5 at January 30, 2007 05:15 PM (V40Ep)
Remember that big dossier on Iran's interference in Iraq that we were supposed to get? Don't hold your breath. The Donks are apparently worried that Iran will take evidence of their perfidy badly.
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 05:15 PM (7Iqke)
This is comon to semen, in my experience.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:16 PM (4qddO)
Oh, and, um, I started sucking cock at age 14 and I've never regretted it for a moment.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:17 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:18 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: Observer (age) 5 at January 30, 2007 05:18 PM (V40Ep)
Otherwise, you might give him a case of what I call "the ouchies."
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:20 PM (4qddO)
I call this "The Golden Moment," when it seems like just about *anything* can happen in the whole wonderful world.
Although, usually, it's just some dude decorating my face like a birthday cake.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:22 PM (4qddO)
It is through gritted teeth that I must take Observer5's side, just fractionally, just this once.
When you write "WMD," and commenters refer to an objection as moving goalposts, it sort of implies that this bears on the old, tired arguments over whether Saddam Hussein still had WMD. Maybe I'm reading into it, but that's an easy mistake to make.
I think it's disturbing that they attempted a chemical attack, but it doesn't shed any light on the controversies surrounding Baathist WMD (or, pace Fred) Iranian support for insurgents on both sides. Sorry if I am stating the bleedin' obvious.
Posted by: JPS at January 30, 2007 05:24 PM (3Gini)
It's the terrorist upping the ante into WMD territory.
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 05:25 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: oblivious5 at January 30, 2007 05:26 PM (nguKa)
Posted by: zetetic at January 30, 2007 05:28 PM (V40Ep)
I think this might have something to do with being pounded up the ass by strange men I pick up at discos.
Posted by: Obvious5 at January 30, 2007 05:28 PM (4qddO)
It's the terrorist upping the ante into WMD territory.
Fair enough. Sorry to have read into it. I agree with you that this ups the ante, and that it "counts" as an attempted WMD attack.
Posted by: JPS at January 30, 2007 05:28 PM (3Gini)
Remember: we must act on what the enemy intended, not on how successful they were at it.
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 05:29 PM (7Iqke)
Posted by: Fred at January 30, 2007 05:30 PM (qfNFY)
Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2007 05:30 PM (w/nDv)
Remeber, Iblis: the force will be with you. Always.
Posted by: Jack M. at January 30, 2007 05:36 PM (gfp19)
And this angers me, because SubRetards like Observer5 actually think they're smarter than everyone only because they incorrectly assume that most of the world resides well below their 90-95 level IQs.
if they knew the awful truth -- that in IQ, 90-95 is not consider and "A" grade -- they would finally lose the fucking superior attitude.
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 05:37 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: spurwing plover at January 30, 2007 05:37 PM (stdEd)
Posted by: Observer5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:38 PM (avyTs)
It is not a tumah!!
Posted by: Obvious Kindergarten Cop at January 30, 2007 05:38 PM (RLGHA)
Next thing you know ace'll be trying to tell me that MUSTARD isn't an ingredient in mustard gas which it is because I often put it on my HOTDOG!
Posted by: Observer Warden at January 30, 2007 05:39 PM (QWUn5)
Achmed 5: "Um, how about whipped cream in a can? It contains a common industrial gas under high pressure. They'd never expect it."
Posted by: eman at January 30, 2007 05:43 PM (FWrFx)
Not a good idea.
Posted by: Observer5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:44 PM (avyTs)
Posted by: Observer5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:46 PM (avyTs)
Posted by: Observer5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:47 PM (avyTs)
Their goal is not military victory. They know they have no prayer in hell of defeating us in a stand-up fight (or even a prolonged guerilla war). Their only real hope is to foment enough chaos to totally unman the US Congress and force a pull-out. That's what has me so concerned -- now that we've finally got a credible COIN strategy and a good general to pull it off, our Senators and Congressmen seem to have gotten a collective case of the yips.
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 05:48 PM (7Iqke)
Posted by: Observer5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:48 PM (avyTs)
Now, like any asshole who gets called on saying something stupid, you get all pissed off.
It's embarrassment expressed as indignation.
Posted by: observer 5 at January 30, 2007 05:48 PM (rA1CV)
Posted by: jmflynny at January 30, 2007 05:48 PM (iAdm7)
It's embarrassment expressed as indignation.
You had better appreciate that shit, because it took me forever to Wiki those words.
Posted by: Observer 5.1 at January 30, 2007 05:50 PM (avyTs)
Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2007 05:51 PM (w/nDv)
Alert Ted Koppel.
Posted by: geoff at January 30, 2007 05:51 PM (RLGHA)
Posted by: Observer5by5 at January 30, 2007 05:52 PM (FWrFx)
No, that's when I hit you in the neck with a cactus. What Ace is doing is more in the line of "hyperbolic mockery", which is SOP for nattering douchebags like yourself who insist on pointing out the completely fucking obvious as if it's a dazzling epiphany.
No need to thank me for the enlightenment. Schooling retards like yourself is a public service I render to all who require it.
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 05:55 PM (7Iqke)
The nerve agent GB was developed as an insecticide. So I guess GB based nerve agents aren't WMD's either eh?
I await your answer.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2007 05:59 PM (LITKT)
Posted by: jmflynny at January 30, 2007 06:00 PM (iAdm7)
Actually, according to the United Nations, you're wrong.
Chlorine is, in fact, considered a chemical weapon. Chemical weapons are commonly referred to as "WMDs" because they are intended to kill large numbers of people in a short period of time.
Posted by: Observer 5.1 at January 30, 2007 06:01 PM (avyTs)
Posted by: Professor Science at January 30, 2007 06:01 PM (rA1CV)
No one. Ace is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, forever and forever. Amen.
Plus it's his fucking site and he can do what he wants, up to and including doing Ethel Merman drag shows. (You don't have to pay me for this tip, Ace, but I do expect a cut of the gate.)
Posted by: Monty at January 30, 2007 06:04 PM (7Iqke)
If that "common industrial chlorine" is used to try and kill people, as it was here, it is considered a chemical warfare agent. A "choking agent," to be precise.
Posted by: Observer 5.1 at January 30, 2007 06:04 PM (avyTs)
I'm certain that they meant no ill will with that one cylinder of chlorine.
They were probably heading out the door and one their wives yelled out to them to bring home some bleach.
And an IED.
That exlosion thing, purely coincidental.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 30, 2007 06:07 PM (iAdm7)
YOur habit of bone smuggling, however, is repugnant, as the idea of putting any part of your festered anatomy in another person's DIGESTIVE tract, man or woman. And if you have problems sticking sharp fingers up another person's anus without causing pain, consider stopping the act altogether.
Another of your repugnant habits has got to be disco. Are you that sick a twist? DO you think the arabs, muslim or not,.will give you turdburglars a warm hug and a kumbaya when they get around to you? Do you think the WMD s are gone?
Can you be that frigging retarded? No offense to the naturally retarded like Al Gore intended. Does the fact that 18 tons of precursor agents were seized at the Syrian border not register with your dim bulb mind? IS your head truly shoved that far up your third point of contact?
Does a bear crap in the woods?
Purely rhetorical, that.
Posted by: slim itmanwhay at January 30, 2007 06:08 PM (t9yug)
Posted by: Observer 5.1 at January 30, 2007 06:08 PM (avyTs)
Charges of crimes against humanity would be filed by the "international community" if a country used insecticide containing DDT.
But a mass-attack of chlorine gas is no big deal. Unless it was done by the...
Posted by: Bart at January 30, 2007 06:10 PM (ujOqi)
I won't ban you, but given that you're such a repository of little-known scientific facts, I'm going to have to insist you post, henceforth, as "Professor Science."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist -- I want everyone to know I have a luminary of the sciences posting here.
Not Professor OF Science, mind you. Professor Science, like that's your real given name 'n shit. Or your superhero name. Whatever, you decide.
Can you start doing that for me, Chief?
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 06:11 PM (4qddO)
How about Assad and Seagal in a buddy movie...On the Road To Najaf...with a cast of thousands...and not a one speaks english, including Seagal.
Posted by: The Jackson Observer Five at January 30, 2007 06:13 PM (t9yug)
Posted by: The Jackson Observer Five at January 30, 2007 06:14 PM (t9yug)
I almost fell out of my chair.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 30, 2007 06:16 PM (iAdm7)
Posted by: Slublog at January 30, 2007 06:17 PM (avyTs)
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 06:17 PM (4qddO)
Posted by: The Jackson Observer Five at January 30, 2007 06:18 PM (t9yug)
Two signs just inside the entrance of the Oak Island rail depot here
hint at dangers inside. ''Our Employees' Safety Is in Your Hands.'' one
reads. ''You Are Accountable for Your Safety,'' reads another.
Beyond those two placards, however, there are few visible signs that
security is a high priority at the railyard, just three miles from
downtown Newark and seven miles from Manhattan, where 90-ton tanker
cars full of deadly chemical gases are routinely stored and shipped.
Gates to the depot are unlocked and unguarded, allowing unimpeded access to tracks where cars loaded with deadly chlorine, ammonia or oleum gases are stored.
Along the track bed, many switching devices are unlocked, so
unauthorized passers-by could redirect, and possibly derail, a train by
simply pulling a lever. Security is so lax that a reporter and
photographer recently spent 10 minutes driving along a rail bed beside
cars holding toxic chemicals without being challenged, or even
approached, by railroad employees.
the years since the 9/11 attacks, public concern about a potential
terrorist strike at one of the nation's chemical plants has caused
federal and local officials to inch toward tighter safeguards at
manufacturing and processing plants. On Tuesday, in a speech before the
American Chemistry Council, Michael Chertoff, secretary of homeland
security, said he would ask Congress to adopt a series of chemical
plant security measures that have largely been endorsed by the
Even if the chemical plants
are secure, the public could be left vulnerable by the railways running
in and out of many of them. The railways transport more than 1.7
million shipments of hazardous materials every year, including 100,000
tank cars filled with toxic gases like chlorine and anhydrous ammonia.
According to a recent study by the Navy, an accident or terrorist attack involving a single car of chlorine near a densely populated area could kill as many as 100,000 people.
Posted by: Slublog at January 30, 2007 06:21 PM (avyTs)
Afterall, it can't be easy having to admit that you came in fifth.
Of course, if the other four observers should suffer an untimely death, he could move in and take the crown.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 30, 2007 06:22 PM (iAdm7)
Posted by: Dogstar at January 30, 2007 06:26 PM (dpudc)
Or maybe he's full of so much shit, he makes up for four others who observe whatever it is that bone smugglers observe:
Namely: Intestines, ass hair, soiled boxers, George Michael teabagging a tourist in the men's room at a San Francisco park or some other fabulous WHAM! venue where rod gobbling is in big style, perhaps some large hemmorhoids, a Cher impersonator or two, you know...the usual for Observers like O5.
Posted by: The Jackson Observer Five at January 30, 2007 06:31 PM (t9yug)
Posted by: a4g at January 30, 2007 06:32 PM (za38w)
Posted by: I got your OBserver, right here! at January 30, 2007 06:33 PM (t9yug)
P.S. White Phosphorus oxides energetically, on contact with air, and bruns unless and until you cut off the O2.
But That doesn't mean it should be considered a bad thing. Hell, it's probably on the Donks new list of approved things for kids to play with.
Posted by: Hey, Observe this... at January 30, 2007 06:38 PM (t9yug)
That's better. Now class, we have a special guest today, Sgt. Observer Five, and he is here to tell us all about Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Posted by: Sister Mary Elephant at January 30, 2007 06:54 PM (FWrFx)
Posted by: Liberal Apologist at January 30, 2007 06:55 PM (wkjFE)
As a chemist, you should know that your opinion doesn't matter unless it coincides with the ACS. Everytime I get an issue of C&EN, I realize how far the deep end they've gone. They can't go 2 months without talking about how horrible the Bush Administration is or how great it is that we have a Democratic Congress...
Posted by: prolix at January 30, 2007 06:59 PM (U2Z6k)
Dang, even C&EN? Wow, I haven't read it in 15 years, at least. I'm sticking to the journals.
Maybe I should switch from Chemistry to Climate Science. I could make good use of a $10 million grant to study Hawaiian Island Glacial Artifacts.
Posted by: eman at January 30, 2007 07:12 PM (FWrFx)
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 07:12 PM (4qddO)
In future threads, Prof. Science may earn the names "Prof. History", or "Prof. Mathematics", or "Prof. English'.
I have faith in him, he will come through.
Posted by: eman at January 30, 2007 07:18 PM (FWrFx)
Posted by: Professor Mike at January 30, 2007 07:30 PM (/InkS)
Posted by: Observer Ral at January 30, 2007 08:35 PM (VvXII)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 30, 2007 08:38 PM (LITKT)
been changed to his proper name and title, "Professor Science."
Behold the Neo-like powers of the host within his own blog, some rules can be bent, others, broken.
Posted by: Toby928 at January 31, 2007 06:01 AM (ATbKm)
I am a WMD medical expert and in disaster management. I thought I'd add a bit to the discussion. Chlorine gas certainly is considered a chemical warfare agent as well as a Toxic Industrial Chemical (or TIC). It is of great concern to anyone in Homeland Security/disaster management. As a chemical warfare agent, it can be classified as a WMD. It is estimated that the rupture of a 90 ton rail car could cause a toxic plume 18 miles long (under the right conditions). Various estimates of casualties exist if this occurs over a large city, but numbers in the thousands are not unreasonable.
If anyone wants more information, research the train accident in Graniteville, S.C. in January of 2005. It is fortunate that this did not occur in a large city. The results would have been an order of magnitude worse.
And, I have to say: you guys are brutal!
Posted by: WMD Doc at January 31, 2007 06:03 AM (QmDAH)
Only to those who ask for it, Doc. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: zetetic at January 31, 2007 06:20 AM (5PRUB)
Posted by: at January 31, 2007 06:43 AM (H826O)
I'm a bit late here, but I have a question.
If chlorine intended to harm other people is just a "household chemical", then why is the EMBARRASMENT OF CONVICTED TERRORISTS FOR THE SHEER ENJOYMENT OF TROOPS considered torture?
Riddle me this, wonderboy. (his new superhero name)
Posted by: Smith at January 31, 2007 07:29 AM (Gpfe0)
Posted by: observer 0 at January 31, 2007 08:20 AM (KV/Mz)
I'm, eruh, surprised my shittah, eruh, hasn't been classified as a toxic waste dump, eruh, yet.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy at January 31, 2007 08:29 AM (1tlBF)
Brutal? You ain't seen nothing yet...
We haven't started in on a "fun facts about Observer 5" thread yet.
Did you know O5 set the Guiness Book record for how many gerbils a human can pack into their ass?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2007 05:21 PM (LITKT)
If you would find news that insurgents had *intended* to launch a chemical attack on US troops significant you might like to look up insurgent video released about a month ago where they claimed they were loading rockets with unknown chemicals.
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