January 31, 2011

BREAKING: Federal Judge Throws Out ObamaCare
— DrewM

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BANG. (link updated)

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void"

This is the 20 something state lawsuit that was argued in the Northern District of Florida federal court.

As I noted on Twitter...it's hard to get too excited about this because nothing matters in the federal courts until Anthony Kennedy flips his magic coin but tossing out the whole law is a big, big boost politically for advocates of repeal.
Stand by for updates.

Via Gabriel...here's the PDF of the decision.

From the decision:

It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compel an otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third party merely by asserting --- as was done in the Act --- that compelling the actual transaction is itself “commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affects interstate commerce” [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest that Congress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.

...

In the final analysis, this Act has been analogized to a finely crafted watch, and that seems to fit. It has approximately 450 separate pieces, but one essential piece (the individual mandate) is defective and must be removed. It cannot function as originally designed. There are simply too many moving parts in the Act and too many provisions dependent (directly and indirectly) on the individual mandate and other health insurance provisions --- which, as noted, were the chief engines that drove the entire legislative effort --- for me to try and dissect out the proper from the improper, and the able-to-stand-alone from the unable-to-stand-alone. Such a quasi-legislative undertaking would be particularly inappropriate in light of the fact that any statute that might conceivably be left over after this analysis is complete would plainly not serve Congress’ main purpose and primary objective in passing the Act. The statute is, after all, called “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” not “The Abstinence Education and Bone Marrow Density Testing Act.” The Act, like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker.


Update [ace]: There was a second part of this challenge, largely put together by Randy Barnett of the Volokh Conspiracy, I think.

That challenge argued that ObamaCare violates the spending clause by imposing an involuntary expenditure on the part of the states, in violation of their sovereignty. While Medicare is supposedly a voluntary program, in fact taxes are collected from states' citizens involuntarily, so the "choice" a state has is either to comply with the federal law or give up all those billions taken from their taxpayers.

That, Barnett's objection states, makes a fiction of the claim that the program is "voluntary" as we typically use the word.

But this judge, unfortunately, finds against that claim. He notes that this is not really an issue ripe for summary judgment (which must be rendered on the law alone, not on any facts which must be discovered at trial), but also cites a welter of opinions calling Medicare "voluntary" and says the plaintiff's argument is "weak."

He then grants the defendants (the feds, Obama) summary judgment on that issue, deciding that the law is clear, Medicare is supposedly "voluntary" even though it's clearly not.

Question: What's hotter than this decision?

Answer: A video of Megyn Kelly reading this decision on the air.

Correction: Drew tells me the second argument is about Medicaid expansion, not Medicare expansion, as I wrote.

Actually I didn't even write that. I invented some new program called like "Meidcare."

Judge Cites... The Boston Tea Party for Purposes of Analogy: Dave Wiegel is making hay over this:

It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compel an otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third party merely by asserting --- as was done in the Act --- that compelling the actual transaction is itself “commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affects interstate commerce” [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest that Congress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain for it would be “difficult to perceive any limitation on federal power” [Lopez, supra, 514 U.S. at 564], and we would have a Constitution in name only. Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended. See id. at 592

Wiegel cracks "subtle!" as if there's something wrong with citing an event crucial to our nation's definition of freedom, simply because some people with political might today also noticed that that even was crucial to our nation's defintion of freedom.

Does Wiegel think there's anything wrong with citing liberal-leaning analogies in liberal opinions?

Posted by: DrewM at 09:59 AM | Comments (637)
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1 Holy shit. 

Posted by: shillelagh at January 31, 2011 09:59 AM (Oz4Bj)

2

Court? Judge?

Link doesn't work, Drew.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:00 AM (pLTLS)

3 link??

Posted by: flurmf at January 31, 2011 10:00 AM (Wian5)

4 Um, hello?

Posted by: flaming pudding skull at January 31, 2011 10:00 AM (Wqfrr)

5 Boom goes my night stick!

Posted by: Gride at January 31, 2011 10:00 AM (7Iqhu)

6 And now from almost nowhere... Wow.

Posted by: Doc at January 31, 2011 10:00 AM (jGXQI)

7 Eat hot shit and die, health care takeover!

Too violent?

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:01 AM (Ew1k4)

8 I won! Wait, what?

Posted by: Barry Obama at January 31, 2011 10:01 AM (Pq1Al)

9 Need better link.

Posted by: Al at January 31, 2011 10:01 AM (MzQOZ)

10 Forget the flaming skull. where's the link from Drew

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:01 AM (pLTLS)

11 I have a RAGING high speed rail going on

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 10:02 AM (wuv1c)

12 The judicial branch acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barry the Magnificent at January 31, 2011 10:02 AM (Ew1k4)

13 Nice.

Posted by: TheJane at January 31, 2011 10:02 AM (9Blbi)

14

Hot damn.

Posted by: eleven at January 31, 2011 10:02 AM (7DB+a)

15 GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING CHECKS AND BALANCES!

Posted by: God Emperor Barky I at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (3YYhR)

16 Time to take the boys for a dip

Posted by: Lazers McPain at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (PKrl6)

17 This is BS.... I am in charge...... No Deal Howie....No Deal !!!!!

Posted by: Kathey Sebilious at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (By4wu)

18 ABC news is reporting that only parts are unconstitutional and that they lost on their bid to shut down the whole law.  The judge wants to give the opposition a chance to appeal.  ABC news gave the impression "not to worry, just a little glitch, the ruling will end up like the other two cases, in favor of the government, so why bother to stop BO care in the interim?"

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (p302b)

19 7
Eat hot shit and die, health care takeover!
Too violent?
Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 03:01 PM (Ew1k4)

Nope! Could use some more hot sauce, though ...

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (Wqfrr)

20 BETTER LINK DAMMIT - This person has protected their tweets.

Posted by: Twitter Fucker at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (TRlpJ)

21 Not severable.  BWWWAAAHHHHHHHHH.  Maybe the dems should have read it first instead of passing it to see what was in it.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (cniXs)

22 Drudge has it - with no link.

Posted by: Chuckit at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (JUv0g)

23 So the question is: how does Anthony Kennedy feel about Health Care?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (TpXEI)

24 THANK GOD FOR FLORIDA!!

Posted by: DarkFlounder at January 31, 2011 10:03 AM (sa5Sk)

25

The judicial branch acted stupidly.

That's okay. It's not one of the three branches of the government. This means nothing.

Posted by: Chucky Schumer D(ipshit) at January 31, 2011 10:04 AM (pLTLS)

26 Hey Barry, I'd put a little ice on that if I was you.

Posted by: BIG ROB at January 31, 2011 10:04 AM (hr33h)

27 There ain't a pudding cup large enough.

Posted by: Holger at January 31, 2011 10:04 AM (YxGud)

28 Victory!  Victory!

Posted by: Theoden at Helms Deep at January 31, 2011 10:04 AM (/joDP)

29 Sweet. So now Barry's list of accomplishments is... Collapsing the US Economy. I suppose that's enough for one of his limited abilities. I suppose now he'll try a work-around by having the EPA declare O-care absolutely vital to our existence.

Posted by: cali grump at January 31, 2011 10:04 AM (hL0k8)

30
The Future: 1
Obama: 0

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (4jFix)

31 I blame Sarah Palin, and my departure from the White House.

Posted by: David Axelrod at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (ODJgp)

32 From Gabe: The #HCR ruling stricking down ObamaCare is available here: (PDF) http://is.gd/6jGaCQ.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (1hLHC)

33

Actually, on second thought, i have a feeling this will go nowhere. I don't want to get all excited again only to be let down. (see:Scott Brown's election).

I have a feeling this won't undo the entire, law, just the part that pays for it. So they'll get the money elsewhere

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (wuv1c)

34

Excellent.

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (4kxCX)

35 This Northern District of Florida federal court judge acted stupidly. 

Posted by: President Obama at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (9hSKh)

36 ABC news is reporting that only parts are unconstitutional and that they lost on their bid to shut down the whole law.  The judge wants to give the opposition a chance to appeal.  ABC news gave the impression "not to worry, just a little glitch, the ruling will end up like the other two cases, in favor of the government, so why bother to stop BO care in the interim?"

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 03:03 PM (p302b)

We'll see, we'll see.  Just as with the court that tossed Rahm off the Chicago ballot, it ain't over until the Supremes sing.

Posted by: stuiec at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (Di3Im)

37 Courts:  No, You Can't

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (GBXon)

38

The destruction of the Democrat Party by Barry, Pelosi and Reid was for (wait for it...)

 

NOTHING!!!

Posted by: Cicero at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (QKKT0)

39 How about 'SNAP!' instead of bang? This is coming from the AP, apparently.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (FcR7P)

40 Napolitano on FoxNews says they can still enforce while appealing, no injunction stopping it completely... yet.

Posted by: Doc at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM (jGXQI)

41 Bang?  What's that supposed to mean?  How very uncivil and racist of you.

Posted by: 2549 at January 31, 2011 10:06 AM (kvxPn)

42 Yahoo! It's pudding time!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2011 10:06 AM (swuwV)

43 Bring on the Supreme Court!

Screw you Barky and democrats!

Posted by: Timbo at January 31, 2011 10:06 AM (ph9vn)

44

Finally, some good news.  Phew...

The car insurance companies in Michigan will be mad - they wanted to push all the health costs onto the national coverage.  All in the name of lowering premiums, of course.  (lol)

 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (xUM1Q)

45

 So the question is: how does Anthony Kennedy feel about Health Care?

Yup.  The fate of so many things are going to be riding on his opinion.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (AdXKZ)

46 Can more states pile on to the suit now?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (p302b)

47 On the other hand, there's me...

Posted by: The Pudding Mandate at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (4jFix)

48 Racist Judge.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (sQWnH)

49 Finally!

But will Jerry Rivers' man-crush Mohammed El-Baradei approve?

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (Ulu3i)

50 Reagan appointee. Judge Vinson

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (pLTLS)

51

If you like your healthcare reform, you can keep your healthcare reform...

does this mean that BCBS has to return the extra money they have been charging me since the minute this thing passed!?

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (iWZN8)

52 breakingnews.com has an msnbc link to the story. It's the 26-state lawsuit and it's a Federal judge in Florida.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (FcR7P)

53 You'd think that since the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress spend so much time focusing on getting Obamacare passed to the exclusion of every other priority for the American people, they'd have spent just a little time making sure that they wrote a law that was, you know, legal.

Posted by: stuiec at January 31, 2011 10:07 AM (Di3Im)

54 There ain't a pudding cup large enough.

It might be time to invest in a swimming pool.

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:08 AM (Ew1k4)

55 I don't want to sing "Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead," yet, but can I at least get my vocal chords warmed up?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 10:08 AM (8y9MW)

56 It's so sad that you can't get excited about this feeling that they will win in the end no matter what.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:08 AM (p302b)

57 The sound you hear is Nancy Pelosi's botox bursting from her face.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 10:08 AM (ODJgp)

58 If Mubarak retains power, too, now can we impeach Obama?

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 10:08 AM (sYrWB)

59 You know who would make a good Federal judge? Me!

Posted by: Barry Obama at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (FcR7P)

60 see:Scott Brown's election

It stopped me.

Posted by: The DREAM Act at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (4jFix)

61 Pudding cups are on me!

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (mAhn3)

62 Maybe now we can find out what's in it.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (QKKT0)

63

And I'm in Ben's camp on this.

Really, I hate to be the wet blanket here, but none of these rulings amount to a hill of beans until it reaches SCOTUS.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (pLTLS)

64 46 Yup.  The fate of so many things are going to be riding on his opinion.

That's what worries me. But at least we now have the House, where we can starve the beast if Kennedy decides the wind is blowing in-favor of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 31, 2011 10:09 AM (sZ+lP)

65 He refused to impose an injunction, per hannity.  That is the concerning part to me, that is a big loss right there.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:10 AM (p302b)

66 Some of you law-talking dudes/dudettes please enlighten me: I understand that the primary Constitutional argument against the "individual mandate" is that it oversteps the government's authority under the Commerce Clause (i.e., the government can regulate you if you choose to enter the market, but they cannot force you to enter the market in the first place). Partisans of ObamaCare insist that the law is viable without the "individual mandate", but I can't see how this can be so, since it would decimate the "risk pool" that O-Care depends on to "bend the cost curve". Am I understanding the legal challenge correctly?

Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2011 10:10 AM (4Pleu)

67
All 57 states should have been signatory to the complaint.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 10:10 AM (ZHsNw)

68 Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void"

I think this is the first ruling that struck down the whole law. The question is, does it apply outside of Florida?

I hope this gets fast tracked.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 10:10 AM (M9Ie6)

69

Dear Nancy,

Yes, this is a serious issue.  There are limits to the authority of your powers.  Too bad, so sad!!

Posted by: Terry in GA at January 31, 2011 10:10 AM (hyHss)

70 Please let this stick. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 10:11 AM (pW2o8)

71 Ok, now what?

Posted by: doubting thomas at January 31, 2011 10:11 AM (0AkWH)

72 In the end it all comes down to how Kennedy will vote. It was inevitable that the case would go to the SCOTUS.

This is why controlling the Senate is so damn important.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at January 31, 2011 10:11 AM (Eqd2L)

73 Yes!  Makes my day......for now.  Originally the decision was supposed to come out at 1, don't mind the delay now.  I can only hope Anthony Kennedy wakes up on the right side of the bed down the line. 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (A0VTZ)

74

This can only mean four things:

1.  The judge is a moron.

2.  The judge is a racist.

3.  The judge is just like Hitler.

4.  The judge is directly responsible for what happened in Arizona.

(I'm using Democrat logic.)

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (sOtz/)

75 Really, I hate to be the wet blanket here, but none of these rulings amount to a hill of beans until it reaches SCOTUS.

Don't underestimate the psychological effect this will have on the Obamacult-the one thing they wanted more than anything else and, nuance or not, for now, it's gone.  Whose turn is it to check out Kuss and Huffblow?

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (Ew1k4)

76

Really, I hate to be the wet blanket here, but none of these rulings amount to a hill of beans until it reaches SCOTUS.

Can't we at least enjoy the moment?  :-)

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (4kxCX)

77 Ok, now what? Posted by: doubting thomas at January 31, 2011 03:11 PM (0AkWH) Drinks all around

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (0GFWk)

78 I would think that if we can get 1 one thousandth of a percent of our population to take to the streets demanding Obama step down then the Obama administration and MSM would have to report it as the people of America are demanding a change and that Obama will have to step down. 

Posted by: Doug at January 31, 2011 10:12 AM (gUGI6)

79 Without an injunction, does this matter? "Sure, it's against the law of the land, but you don't have to stop..."

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (FcR7P)

80

While good news short term, I'm not going to leap for joy until the Supreme Court rules. I don't trust the Supreme Court anymore. I don't know if it was ever the impartial third branch that was envisioned but it sure as heck isn't in a lot of these cases now.

Posted by: ParanoidCanCookInSeattle at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (RZ8pf)

81
This ruling is a minor inconvenience and the Federal Government will overwhelm the legal system thanks to the Cloward and Piven stragedy.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano, HHS Scrunt at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (ZHsNw)

82

Hard doesn't mean impossible.  This thing is just getting started people. 

Can you stop giving up already?

Posted by: eleven at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (7DB+a)

83 Somewhere a carton of Kools is being rapidly torched.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (olKiY)

84

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 03:07 PM (iWZN

 

Doesn't this have to go to a circuit court and then to the supremes.  I doubt seriously that Dear Leader and friends are going to let this go this easily.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (AdXKZ)

85 We might as well just ask Kennedy what he thinks now and save everyone the time and heart burn.

Posted by: Dan at January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (mXBxH)

86

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 03:12 PM (sOtz/)

The judge is a stooge for the rich.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (A0VTZ)

87 Without an injunction, does this matter? "Sure, it's against the law of the land, but you don't have to stop..." Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 03:13 PM (FcR7P) I don't think there is an injunction because most of the shit does not kick in for a few years, by then it will be at the Supreme Court

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (0GFWk)

88 you knucklehead wingnuts don't get it.

3000% of Americans support health care reform, and they will get their way.

Posted by: just another knucklehead at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (BP6Z1)

89 Federal Judge Throws Out ObamaCare... on a high-speed rail!

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (FcR7P)

90 I think this is the first ruling that struck down the whole law. The question is, does it apply outside of Florida?

Federal court means it applies nationwide, I think.  Certainly to all 26 or so states that were part of the suit.

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (Ew1k4)

91 I think the judiciary is smelling the change in the air, and it ain't "Hopenchange."

Posted by: PJ at January 31, 2011 10:14 AM (QdxaI)

92

Can't we at least enjoy the moment?  :-)

Now is not the time to rest.  I'll enjoy the moment if and when SCOTUS strikes the entire crap sandwich down and consigns it to the dust-bin of history.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 10:15 AM (9hSKh)

93

Napolitano on FoxNews says they can still enforce while appealing, no injunction stopping it completely... yet.

Please tell me you meant Sebelius.  Because if the DHS Secretary is commenting on health care, I'm going to break something.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 10:15 AM (B+qrE)

94 DRINK!

Posted by: Follower of Cthulhu at January 31, 2011 10:15 AM (F/4zf)

95

Anthony Kennedy, the most powerful man in America! 

Somehow, I don't think the Founders had that in mind.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 31, 2011 10:15 AM (A0VTZ)

96
Does this mean the march on Washington is canceled?

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (ZHsNw)

97

 

MFM response: As a result of this judge's racist ruling no one will be able to ever afford health care and trillions of people a second will be dying in the streets.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (1Jaio)

98 Speaking of 3000%, has everybody's premiums gone down 3000% yet?

/Mine sure hasn't. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (9hSKh)

99 Don't get too excited, folks.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (cxGtL)

100 Please tell me you meant Sebelius. Because if the DHS Secretary is commenting on health care, I'm going to break something. -- Judge Napolitano, their correspondent. Sorry, typed that in a rush

Posted by: Doc at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (jGXQI)

101 .it's hard to get too excited about this because nothing matters in the federal courts until Anthony Kennedy flips his magic coin

And yet, here I am.

Posted by: SCHADENBONER at January 31, 2011 10:16 AM (xdHzq)

102 AMF

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (BP6Z1)

103

Sorry, I AM the wet blanket on your flame of fun.

If it helps soften the blow, Megyn Kelly will say the same thing on O'Reilly tonight.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (pLTLS)

104 Together We Get Pissed off and Cry....ve

Posted by: Bambi Zombie at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (4jFix)

105 Judge Napalitano, Circa.

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (Ew1k4)

106

Judge Napolitano, their correspondent.

Sorry, typed that in a rush

Whew.

And my monitor, office windows, and assortable fragile knick knacks thank you.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (B+qrE)

107
As a result of the Federal Judges' ruling, by tomorrow more than 100 American's will be dead.

Posted by: Miss Barney Fag, D-Masshole at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (ZHsNw)

108 No idea what CNN is talking about. The text clearly states that the individual mandate is NOT severable. The whole thing goes down and now it's going to end up with the Supremes before the election. Justice Kennedy?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (RD7QR)

109 The Skulls they are a flamin.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (SJ6/3)

110 The big new news here is that a judge found the mandate non-severable. If it's severable, that one part can be excised while the whole of the law survives; if it's so central to the law to be non-severable, the entire law falls if that one section falls. There is debate over this issue; it is good to have one ruling at least on the non-severable side.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 10:17 AM (nj1bB)

111

The first time I spoke with my tax accountant about Obamacare - he told me he thought Obamacare was a huge mess, no one understood it, it was too complicated and there was no way to implement the thing.  The burden was so over-whelming, complicated and overbearing, in terms of just the tax code - he said there is no way for the thing to go into serviceable practice.  And lets remember - Obamamcare is 2000+ page of new tax code.   (I'm thinking about Cloward Piven again)

 Like our tax code isn't complicated enough.  A smart republican could run a campaign on actually really really (you know - really) simplifying the tax code. 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 10:18 AM (0fzsA)

112 Heads it is Constitutional. Tails it is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at January 31, 2011 10:18 AM (YxGud)

113 It comes down to this: if the mandate is struck down, our Dimbulb betters will cook up newer and more nefarious schemes to fund this monstrosity. Thus, they must be kept out of power in the House and Senate for decades to come because they will by God find a way to confiscate $$ to fund this or die trying.

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:19 AM (Wqfrr)

114 65 He refused to impose an injunction, per hannity.  That is the concerning part to me, that is a big loss right there.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 03:10 PM (p302b)

--Pisses me off.  Libtard judges do it all the time (see SB 1070) because they don't care while conservatives go Marquess of Queensbury.

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 10:19 AM (BP6Z1)

115 The severability issue has been covered. It is unseverable.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:19 AM (SJ6/3)

116 And boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: Solo4357 at January 31, 2011 10:19 AM (FY+nO)

117

This ruling is just foreplay...

But at least its exciting....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 10:19 AM (AdK6a)

118

Doesn't this have to go to a circuit court and then to the supremes.  I doubt seriously that Dear Leader and friends are going to let this go this easily.

Absolutely. 

 But I think what is often lost in the discussion is the negative affect this legislation has already had on our economic situation. Individuals who pay their Insurance Costs directly have seen it. 

 Premium increases of 40-80% since passage.  This was the payoff to the Insurance Companies.  They get to rape us until Uncle Sugar  'taps in' and really starts going to town. 

I think attaching a dollar figure to the cost of Obamacare while it can still be shown to have ZERO bennefit to those footing the bill is to our bennefit.

 

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 10:20 AM (iWZN8)

119

Heads it is Constitutional. Tails it is unconstitutional

Heads, Obama offended me.  Tails he didn't.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 31, 2011 10:20 AM (A0VTZ)

120

That is going to leave a mark – in Barry’s underwear.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2011 10:20 AM (CpbrP)

121 53 You'd think that since the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress spend so much time focusing on getting Obamacare passed to the exclusion of every other priority for the American people, they'd have spent just a little time making sure that they wrote a law that was, you know, legal.

Posted by: stuiec at January 31, 2011 03:07 PM (Di3Im)

That would just be gratuitous.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 10:21 AM (4df7R)

122 Now everyone gets a waiver.

Posted by: Usful Ijit at January 31, 2011 10:21 AM (OLxek)

123 We will appeal this ruling!

Posted by: The 768 Organizations Granted Exemptions at January 31, 2011 10:21 AM (FcR7P)

124 I am going to go for the fully allotted 4 hours today.  No matter the MFM and naysayers.

Posted by: SCHADENBONER at January 31, 2011 10:22 AM (xdHzq)

Posted by: laceyunderalls the official AoS wet blanket at January 31, 2011 10:22 AM (pLTLS)

126

The Democrats 2,000+ pages of Gordian knot, severed.  The Obama admin can try to enforce it still, but now We the People have reasons to refuse to obey - the courts.

Another one bites the dust.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 31, 2011 10:22 AM (3KzyI)

127 Well it'd be nice to get around Obama's veto pen. Of course he'll just try to impose it by regulations, but still its a good step.

Posted by: Iblis at January 31, 2011 10:22 AM (9221z)

128 Ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha..

I'll have to wander over to Daily Kooks and watch some heads esplode....

And, did I say Ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2011 10:23 AM (f9c2L)

129 Why don't we also go to court to sue about how this piece of shit was even passed in Congress?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 10:23 AM (0GFWk)

130 What all the money for the bribes to get waivers? Will that get refunded?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:24 AM (SJ6/3)

131

Darth Cheney certainly had a hand in this.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:24 AM (pr+up)

132 well, get ready for the democrat hate-vision to be used to crispy fry this judge.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2011 10:24 AM (QxSug)

133

Seems odd now that the mandate to purchase insurance was a relatively minor part of the opposition to the bill before passage.

If memory serves....

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 10:24 AM (9KqcB)

134 Now if only the judge had given his decision like this: http://tinyurl.com/362jh55

Posted by: John L at January 31, 2011 10:24 AM (E8LfO)

135 If it's severable, that one part can be excised while the whole of the law survives; if it's so central to the law to be non-severable, the entire law falls if that one section falls.

There is debate over this issue; it is good to have one ruling at least on the non-severable side.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 03:17 PM (nj1bB)

 

Is this the lawsuit that challanged the Interstate Commerce Clause?  Or the other lawsuit that still hasn't had a ruling yet?

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (AdXKZ)

136

I agree, it's not time to pop the champagne corks yet. But considering that the basis of law for many recent decisions (the New Black Panthers; Rahmbo - the soon to be elected Hizzonar da mare of Chicago, etc.) seemed to be: caucus and decide what the Obama administration wants, then come up with a rationale for it...I think a cold brew (or bottle of Valu-Rite) is warranted.

 

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (GkYyh)

137 So if this holds up, do the odds of Barry getting primaried go up?

Posted by: Iblis at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (9221z)

138 Let's law stand until all appeals are finished.

Shit.

Posted by: Kemp at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (JpFM9)

139 Seems odd now that the mandate to purchase insurance was a relatively minor part of the opposition to the bill before passage. If memory serves.... Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 03:24 PM (9KqcB) No it wasn't. And the mandate to buy insurance had penalties associated with it

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (0GFWk)

140 Me-me-me-me-me-me!

Posted by: The Fat Lady at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (RD7QR)

141 Sweet Jesus!

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 10:25 AM (OlN4e)

142 And Obamacare goes down like a levee after the depth charges go off.

Posted by: Darth Cheney at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (SJ6/3)

143 like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker.

But... but...It's a socialist watch!  Its not supposed to keep time, its supposed to be fair!

Posted by: Barry the watchmaker at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (xdHzq)

144 And no, normally federal circuit court rulings do not apply to the entire country. Only to the region they represent.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (M9Ie6)

145 It's not a 'Goatee', it's a 'Waiver Saver'.

Posted by: Pat Fuckin' Caddell at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (iWZN8)

146

Federal Judge Throws Out ObamaCare

Eva Longoria hardest hit

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (pr+up)

147 Finally we can see some light at the end of this long, dark tunnel.  I just hope it's not the headlight of the SCOTUS train coming the other way.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, And Last, Brain Cell at January 31, 2011 10:26 AM (AK0dh)

148 116 And boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: Solo4357 at January 31, 2011 03:19 PM (FY+nO)

There was supposed to be an Earth Shattering K-Boom....

Posted by: Marvin the Martian at January 31, 2011 10:27 AM (AdK6a)

149 and the purchase mandate was to be enforced by the IRS; not some HHS clowns. Remember, the IRS operates under a special set of rules.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 10:27 AM (aemFw)

150 Look at you people! The Rethuglicants used to be the party of optimism and big ideas, now look at you. No healthcare that's too big! We hope Obama fails. No no no is all you can say anymore. Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 10:27 AM (/OTDU)

151 Every time a Neanderthal winger opens his mouth, a puppy dies.  Soon we'll have to go back to abortions in back alleys.

Posted by: Calres Yohannesnn, Conscious Conscience in California at January 31, 2011 10:27 AM (Lz//J)

152 NY Times story, now Obama is two for two, two for, two against. 

It's those mean Republican judges that believe in the constitution that are hurting "The One".

Also those 26 states?  They are all Republican except one, so they don't count.

Posted by: Kemp at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (JpFM9)

153 135 This is the 26 state confederation suit.

Posted by: Darth Cheney at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (SJ6/3)

154

This is what the AG of SC was talking about on Greta's show a few months back, that they'd have to declare the whole thing null and void because of the language of the bill.

I guess the Apollo Alliance fucked up when they wrote this abortion of a bill. Insert maniacal laughter here.

Nancy Pelosi, and her botox, hardest hit. Shoulda read it, huh?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (b6qrg)

155 137
So if this holds up, do the odds of Barry getting primaried go up?
Posted by: Iblis at January 31, 2011 03:25 PM (9221z)

Dunno ... but it would be a high-speed rail reamed up his backside.

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (Wqfrr)

156 but it's a tax?

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (QxSug)

157 Dam, and we already paid out good money for that waiver too....

Posted by: McDonalds at January 31, 2011 10:28 AM (AdK6a)

158 BTW does this mean we can skip the "replace" bullshit?

Posted by: Methos at January 31, 2011 10:29 AM (Ew1k4)

159 Is #150 a parody or is that gen-u-wine liberal showing up here?

Posted by: Theoden at Helms Deep at January 31, 2011 10:29 AM (/joDP)

160 Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU)


NO.. Fuck him.

Posted by: Timbo at January 31, 2011 10:29 AM (ph9vn)

161

So one enumerated power under subsection eight of article one doesn't trump the entire rest of the constitution in letter and spirit?

That's fucking crazy talk!

Posted by: Modern Jurisprudence at January 31, 2011 10:30 AM (sOtz/)

162 Pardon me while I go and fap fap fap.. this is the best thing I've heard since 2007.

Posted by: Ugrev at January 31, 2011 10:30 AM (862vz)

163 Hey Olympia, I'm waiting on Line 1.

Posted by: The Dustbin of History at January 31, 2011 10:30 AM (4jFix)

164

Some where Mr. Wolf is musing of cocks.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:30 AM (pr+up)

165

That judge isn't very progressive, like I am.  Did you guys know I'm a progressive republican?  Red til I'm dead baby!  That judge must be like, old and stuff, like over 30 or something and such a fuckin H8er.  He should get some tats and have a Bud Light with me sometime and I'll tell him how young people need health care and stuff because we get STD's and nobody wants to have sex with you when you've got panty crickets, ya know?

Posted by: Meghan McCain's veiny tits at January 31, 2011 10:30 AM (F+Y9Z)

166 The 3 branches of Govt are House, Senate, and the President. What is this talk of a Judicial Branch?

Posted by: Chucky Schumer at January 31, 2011 10:31 AM (SJ6/3)

167 #150 was carrying around a paper-mache version of me with a Hitler mustache not so long ago so...FYNQ.

Posted by: George W. Bush at January 31, 2011 10:31 AM (/joDP)

168 And what is Ed Morrissey discussing right now on his Ustream show? How right-wingers need to be more civil. With friends like these...

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 10:31 AM (ODJgp)

169 Sooo this means I still have to hang-out in my bunker, yes?

Posted by: dblwmy at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (jCKHk)

170 For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my judiciary.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (qwK3S)

171 Ed Morrissey and Allahstalker are more progressive than you guys, you fuckin H8ers.

Posted by: Meghan McCain's veiny tits at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (F+Y9Z)

172

Hmmm.... interesting question...

We told them this was Unconstitutional...

If it is...

And they SWORE to uphold and Defend the Constitution when they took those positions...

Treason?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (AdK6a)

173 This is huge!  Even though the issue was always destined for SCOTUS, it is far better to be arguing to sustain the appeals court.

It's somewhat like reviewing plays in the NFL - they need to be convinced the ruling on the field was wrong (unless it comes from the 9th Circuit, in which case error can be safely presumed).

Posted by: Adjoran at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (VfmLu)

174 lower court rulings my very well matter if Kagan rescues herself from the case and its drawn to a tie. So its good to keep an eye on these lower court rulings.

Posted by: Matt at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM (Qf6gv)

175 159 Is #150 a parody or is that gen-u-wine liberal showing up here?

Posted by: Theoden at Helms Deep at January 31, 2011 03:29 PM (/joDP)

--Either way, it's funny.  If it's not a parody, it's really fucking funny.

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 10:33 AM (BP6Z1)

176 Just out of curiosity, how many electoral votes in those 26 states plus Virginia?

Posted by: Barry the watchmaker at January 31, 2011 10:33 AM (xdHzq)

177 150
Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?
Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU)

Since he has no intention whatsoever of doing what's best for the country -- far from it in fact -- the answer is, "No". Whining pissant.

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:33 AM (Wqfrr)

178 Bristol Palin!!!!!111!!!

Posted by: MFM at January 31, 2011 10:33 AM (qwK3S)

179 Are you kidding?

Posted by: Magic Eight ball at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (0ba8c)

180 hey, chuckie was pre gaming this, he already said the judiciary doesn't count.

also, isn't it not right that some get permission to opt out and others don't.  like picking the winners and the losers, very anti American, very anti capitalism?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (p302b)

181 KELLY YOU IGNORANT SLUT !!!!!!

Posted by: Bob Malmguist at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (By4wu)

182 159
Is #150 a parody or is that gen-u-whine liberal showing up here?
Posted by: Theoden at Helms Deep at January 31, 2011 03:29 PM (/joDP)

FIFP

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (Wqfrr)

183
This should be good for some extra pissy comments from ergie.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (8/QZP)

184 Low Fat Super Bowl Nachos!!!!11111!!111!

Posted by: MFM at January 31, 2011 10:35 AM (qwK3S)

185 I have to call my doctor.  My erection is going to last more than four hours.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 10:35 AM (o3bYL)

186 CNBC just broke in to show that a cesna had landed on rt 80 in hackensack new jersey.

It's too funny, there's the plane and traffic continuing as usual.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:35 AM (p302b)

187 165
... and nobody wants to have sex with you when you've got panty crickets, ya know?
Posted by: Meghan McCain's veiny tits at January 31, 2011 03:30 PM (F+Y9Z)

panty crickets ... heh!

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (Wqfrr)

188

Oh btw, the tea-bagger found with the explosives outside the Detroit mosque??

Yeah, about that.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (pLTLS)

189

"Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?"

That's what we're doing. I guess you can say it's all part of the process. By the way, Kelly, where were your concerns when legislation that 2/3 of the American people thought should either be rejected outright or significantly revised was rammed down our collective throats by YOUR party?

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (GkYyh)

190 185 Give me a call.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (SJ6/3)

191

Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?

There's a logical fallacy there, if I could just put my finger on it....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (B+qrE)

192

This, 25 other states filing suit and 700 plus major corpses. filing for a waivor from this turkey will send a clear message to Washington. Right!   Right??

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (pr+up)

193 I herby announce today my plan to add 2 more seats to the Supreme Court. I think it is vital for this country for me to get whatever I want, therefore we should make this change right now and let me appoint who I want to these seats without hearing or objection.

Posted by: Prez BO at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (jGXQI)

194

A federal judge about to get a whole bunch of death threats in five... four....

(It's part of the new civility, don't ya know.)

Posted by: Lee at January 31, 2011 10:36 AM (VHsHL)

195 Legal Insurrection has a good write up of why the judge didn't impose an injunction.

Posted by: opus at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (IebeI)

196 Let's not start trimming each other's wicks just yet, gentlemen. 

Posted by: Winston Wolf at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (DrWcr)

197 185 I have to call my doctor.  My erection is going to last more than four hours.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 03:35 PM (o3bYL)

 

Hey there big daddy!

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (F+Y9Z)

198 150 Look at you people! The Rethuglicants used to be the party of optimism and big ideas, now look at you. No healthcare that's too big! We hope Obama fails. No no no is all you can say anymore. Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU)

Tell ya whut, Kelly. I kin hep drive a rail spike up your ass if you like.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (OlN4e)

199

 if Kagan rescues herself from the case

...

HA

HAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (JxMoP)

200 160 Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party? Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU) Damn, that's a spot-on parody of liberal hypocrisy! (It is a parody, right? RIGHT?!)

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (RD7QR)

201

 Premium increases of 40-80% since passage.  This was the payoff to the Insurance Companies.  They get to rape us until Uncle Sugar  'taps in' and really starts going to town. 

 

that.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 10:37 AM (0fzsA)

202 Mission Accomplished Sarah Palin

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (hVDig)

203 187 Mechanized Dandruff.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (o3bYL)

204

as a professor of sooper dooper stuff and of course too smart not to be lib er al... i  must say that this judge is out of bounds.  citing an old wrinkled up paper with some gibberish written on it by some people i never heard of. this constitution thing is really old , over a 100 i think. we can't have our great motherland of  made a mockery by abiding with such trash. obama is our furher now and he makes the laws. its in that thing in washington dc. this tomfoolery that the treason party is harping on is dangerous.

now before you freedom lovers get all worked up i must tell you that i am of the "no labels" position. and as long as that position is rethug free it is the position i am comfortable with. now lets stop all this constitution business and get to doing what our furher says.

 

Posted by: professor von poopypants at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (n0C4a)

205 So if this holds up, do the odds of Barry getting primaried go up?
Posted by: Iblis
-------------

Are you kidding?  Nothing sticks to Obama.  If this thing goes down the tubes he will excuse it by saying the Congress overreached or some such nonsense.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (f9c2L)

206 ObamaCare: Joe Thiesmann Judge Roger Vinson: Laurence Taylor

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (nj1bB)

207 Will it come to scorched earth?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:38 AM (SJ6/3)

208

No no no is all you can say anymore.

Correction, that's HELL NO!

No, we don't want a rectal exam by Washington, no, we don't want our Constitution shredded by some Marxist and his minions, no we don't want our country turned into some banana republic just to satisfy some radical billionaire.

I could go on, but I think you get my point. Be sure to report back to the Kos Kiddies that the adults are regaining control of Washington.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 10:39 AM (b6qrg)

209

It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.

Damned unAmerican Tea Partiers!

Posted by: MFM Newsreader at January 31, 2011 10:39 AM (K/USr)

210 186 CNBC just broke in to show that a cesna had landed on rt 80 in hackensack new jersey.

It's too funny, there's the plane and traffic continuing as usual.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 03:35 PM (p302b)

Hehe. 2 miles from my office. He was probably trying to land at Teterboro...or Bada-Bings!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:39 AM (pr+up)

211 Will Obamacare cover medical Marijuana?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:40 AM (SJ6/3)

212 I think I have time for a cup of Tea.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 10:40 AM (o3bYL)

213 Oh hell it's just a district court..has to go to the court of appeals next. 

Is the 11th Circuit flakey, like the 9th?

Posted by: jeannie at January 31, 2011 10:40 AM (GdalM)

214 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 10:40 AM (/OTDU)

215 When reached for comment ex-Speaker Pelosi said, Are you joking? Are you joking?

Posted by: Hal at January 31, 2011 10:41 AM (5XGxT)

216 How long before odds of Kennedy siding with Vinson get put up on InTrade? 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 10:41 AM (uIkCT)

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:41 AM (p302b)

218 I've got a legal insurrection. In my pants!~!!

Posted by: Captain Wordplay at January 31, 2011 10:42 AM (4jFix)

219

Oh btw, the tea-bagger found with the explosives outside the Detroit mosque??

Yeah, about that.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 03:36 PM (pLTLS)

Oh shit.

Posted by: MSNBC at January 31, 2011 10:42 AM (BP6Z1)

220 This is a big f'ing deal.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 31, 2011 10:42 AM (KFeRz)

221 If the Supremes find the Mandate unconstitutional, I don't see how they can sever that from the no preexisting conditions and other insurance changes.  The insurance companies will go broke and that alone will break the system.

Some of the other shit might survive though.

Posted by: toby928 at January 31, 2011 10:42 AM (GTbGH)

222 Just to clear something up...there's no injunction because he found for the states in summary judgment. There's no law, so  there's nothing to enjoin the government from doing.

Now, it'll probably get stayed while on appeal but that's Vinson's reasoning for not issuing an injunction.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 10:42 AM (HicGG)

223

Posted by: Kelly

Is Soros too busy burning down Cairo to pay attnetion to what his paid stooges are putting out there?

Yikes, honey bunny. Your bulb just burned out. Time for a change.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (pLTLS)

224 200
Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU)

Damn, that's a spot-on parody of liberal hypocrisy! (It is a parody, right? RIGHT?!)
Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 03:37 PM (RD7QR)

The tag is unique in this thread, so far. Not knowing how to check it out quickly against other threads, I'm taking it as gen-U-whine in the absence of other evidence.

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (Wqfrr)

225 Hehe.  From the ether.

"Democrats who drafted the law didn't include a "severability" clause, which would spell out that remaining parts of the law could stay intact should certain parts be struck down. A Democratic aide who helped draft the law said staff members discussed such a clause but decided it wasn't necessary."

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (o3bYL)

226 I realize this Federal judge is in Florida and I'm all the way across the country in California, but if he should happen to stop by while vacationing, I promise you that he won't have to buy a drink or a dinner for the duration of his visit.

And when you guys elect me President, this judge will be my first nomination the the Supreme Court. 

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (jhHL/)

227 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

Except congress and the hundreds of waivers they've already granted to over 2 million people....but other than that, EVERYBODY!

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 10:43 AM (VuLos)

228

I still can't tell if Kelly is a parody or not.

That is really the problem with the modern left, isn't it?  You can be as crazy as you want to be, as still fit right in there.

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2011 10:44 AM (Xqfwb)

229 214 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

 

BOO!

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 10:44 AM (F+Y9Z)

230 217 O/T:  "Vice-President Omar Suleiman tells state TV that Mr Mubarak has asked him to open immediate talks with all parties on constitutional changes."

why do they have to change the Constitution?

I have a distinct impression that it involves removing the legal barriers to the Muslim Brotherhood in the country.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2011 10:44 AM (iBaup)

231 Won't some of you work with OUR president and just do what's best for our country and not your political party?

Bwhahaha.  Oh, incidentally, this Obamacare shit's passage is exactly what's not the best for our country.  Haven't you crunched the numbers, hon?

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 10:45 AM (x9xik)

232 @188
There is a headline at the link that says Axelrod is now claiming that Romneycare was a major influence on OCare.  Odds are that they see Romney as the biggest threat and are trying to torpedo him with this association.  Not that what he's saying isn't true. 

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2011 10:45 AM (P18+/)

233

Oh shit.

Now see, this is good shit!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:45 AM (pLTLS)

234 It's all over now.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:45 AM (SJ6/3)

235 Ok Kelly; helping all Americans - so your cool with a 20% income tax cut, no withholding, and a federal Right to Work law ...

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 10:46 AM (c3oPV)

236

Such a quasi-legislative undertaking would be particularly inappropriate in light of the fact that any statute that might conceivably be left over after this analysis is complete would plainly not serve Congress’ main purpose and primary objective in passing the Act. The statute is, after all, called “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” not “The Abstinence Education and Bone Marrow Density Testing Act.” The Act, like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker.

You know what I like about these lines? By refusing to sever the individual mandate this judge is not only sticking to the Constitution, he's also sticking a shiv in the Congress. In essence, this reads to me as though he's saying, "You guys claim to have written this piece of shit for the good of the people and I'm not even going to try to clean it up for you."

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 31, 2011 10:46 AM (JxMoP)

237 I think Kelly must be a parody. She is too stereotypical.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (OlN4e)

238

I still can't tell if Kelly is a parody or not.

That is really the problem with the modern left, isn't it?  You can be as crazy as you want to be, as still fit right in there.

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2011 03:44 PM (Xqfwb)

If it's a sock, it's hash is new.  Otherwise, I can't find that hash on anything except this thread. 

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (VuLos)

239 I think it's funny that the NFLPA is saying that a major item in the CBA needs to be the health care of it's players after they retire.  FUCK you......Obamacare is good enough for the peasants, it's good enough for you fuckers, too.  Eat shit, assholes.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (UK9cE)

240

O/T:  "Vice-President Omar Suleiman tells state TV that Mr Mubarak has asked him to open immediate talks with all parties on constitutional changes."

Omar OctoMom. Just has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (pLTLS)

241 This newcomer, Kelly seems pretty progressive.  Hey girl, we should like totally hang out and get tats.  You seem sooper smart and kewl!

Posted by: Meghan McCain's veiny tits at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (F+Y9Z)

242

Will Obamacare cover medical Marijuana?

they don't have to.  medical availability has destroyed the profit margins.  it's a study in market forces, I tells ya'!

Posted by: Mayor Moon-Beam! at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (iWZN8)

243 No healthcare that's too big!

Like wow, man.  Isn't that a game on "The Price is Right" show?

Posted by: Cheech & Chong at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (Lz//J)

244 How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)


NO.  Get a job. Help yourself you lazy idiot.

Posted by: Timbo at January 31, 2011 10:47 AM (ph9vn)

245 214 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

Surely you jest. Becuase no one here has ever been w/o health insurance or volunteered at soup kcitchen or church fund raiser. Or donated money to Childrens Hospitals the Red Cross, Charity care etc. Or hell no one here has ever served in the Armed forces so you have the freedon to say such stoooopid shit.

Now go get your shine box Smelly...I mean Kelly.

 

    

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:48 AM (pr+up)

246 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

 

You're just a sham-troll aren't you?  Aren't you?  Because if you really mean those things, you need to just quietly FUCK OFF! 

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 10:48 AM (AdXKZ)

247 Kelly: "How about helping ALL Americans for a change?"

Curiously, I agree. Say it with me: "Im! Peach! Obama! Im! Peach! Obama!"

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2011 10:48 AM (swuwV)

248 "Democrats who drafted the law didn't include a "severability" clause, which would spell out that remaining parts of the law could stay intact should certain parts be struck down. A Democratic aide who helped draft the law said staff members discussed such a clause but decided it wasn't necessary."

Not to worry, I'm sure that the Dems can just ask nicely and the new Congress will allow them to make adjustments, seeing as they were so nice about the whole thing the last time. 

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2011 10:49 AM (P18+/)

249 Kelly is a parody, or a regular winding everyone up. It's not angry or hateful enough to be a real lib.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 31, 2011 10:49 AM (4jFix)

250 Seeing that pic on Drudge of Clown Boy getting ready to sign the bill prompts me to ask a question I've never known the answer to:  Why are there so many pens used to sign bills?  Seems ridiculous. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 10:50 AM (x9xik)

251 Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended. They're all dead, aren't they? They must be at least a hundred years old, who knows what they wanted.

Posted by: The MFM at January 31, 2011 10:50 AM (FcR7P)

252

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

Umm, how to put this delicately, so's your little sensibilities won't be harmed,

You really need to get out more. Some 60% of the country wants this bill repealed, a number that's been rising since its' passage. That means we don't like it, we don't want it, we think it's the wrong way to fix a minor problem.

You sound like Meggie Mac after a couple of shots.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 10:50 AM (b6qrg)

253

Omar OctoMom. Just has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 03:47 PM (pLTLS)

Hehe..I've been thinking the same thing.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:51 AM (pr+up)

254 any of you wingnuts seen my sister here?

Posted by: archie bunker at January 31, 2011 10:51 AM (BP6Z1)

255 Seeing that pic on Drudge of Clown Boy getting ready to sign the bill prompts me to ask a question I've never known the answer to:  Why are there so many pens used to sign bills?  Seems ridiculous. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 03:50 PM (x9xik)

I think they're given to all the sponsors of the bills...maybe one is kept for libraries or sumpin.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 10:51 AM (VuLos)

256 Health care for all Americans: Death Panels for Older Americans, Perinatal Care for Undocumented Workers.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 10:51 AM (o3bYL)

257 Wiegel cracks "subtle!" as if there's something wrong with citing an event crucial to our nation's definition of freedom, simply because some people with political might today also noticed that that even was crucial to our nation's defintion of freedom.

Uh, a bit too much vodka in your orange juice this "morning"?

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at January 31, 2011 10:51 AM (cxGtL)

258 249 Kelly is a parody, or a regular winding everyone up. It's not angry or hateful enough to be a real lib.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 31, 2011 03:49 PM (4jFix)

Or smug.  They are almost all insufferably smug.

Posted by: grognard at January 31, 2011 10:52 AM (NS2Mo)

259 Too bad the Judiciary is not one of the 3 branches of government.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (SJ6/3)

260 By the way: I am sorry I posted that "Enhance and Zoomify" post right after this one. I tried to put it into draft (disappear it, for now) so that this post could be at the top but it seems to have not worked. Now it's in draft. I'll put that up later. Apologies -- I really did not mean to step on this huge news. I attempted to correct the problem, but failed.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (nj1bB)

261

Healthcare is out?

Healthcare is OUT!?

Posted by: MLD at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (kUo3N)

262 Obama just wants to give (some) Americans all the same waivers healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU) 

Does Obambam want to offer up HIS healthcare to all of us?  Congress?  Don't think so.  You are a walking parody.  "Obama just wants to help," "fatcat oil friends," "1000000 dollars for war with NO WMD!!!11!"  God, could you be any more pathetic. 



Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (x9xik)

263 This ruling needs to be enhanced and zoomified by all outlets

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 10:53 AM (AXHCj)

264 And, unfortunately, the one thing that the Founders missed was any penalty for those proposing & voting in favor of unconstitutional acts.

IMHO, Article 3, section 3 should read "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort, or in proposing, submitting, voting in favor of , or approving Acts of Congress or Regulations deemed by a simple majority of Citizens or Any Court of Law to be Unconstitutional."

Posted by: Mark E at January 31, 2011 10:54 AM (w5RwR)

265 The administration is sending this guy to find out what is going on. (according to the BBC link I posted earlier)

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 10:54 AM (p302b)

266

Apologies -- I really did not mean to step on this huge news. I attempted to correct the problem, but failed.

No problem, Ace. We understand that pudding works in mysterious ways...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 10:54 AM (b6qrg)

267 Apologies -- I really did not mean to step on this huge news. I attempted to correct the problem, but failed.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)

That was my penis.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 10:55 AM (F+Y9Z)

268

Was it just me or did I sense a bit of disapointment in Megan Kelly's voice?

Posted by: WishRich at January 31, 2011 10:55 AM (hdpay)

269 Actually I didn't even write that. I invented some new program called like "Meidcare."

I think you might have a congressional career awaiting you.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 10:55 AM (VuLos)

270

"It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain for it would be 'difficult to perceive any limitation on federal power'”

-------o0o--------

The sweet music of common sense.

Posted by: So Cal Jim at January 31, 2011 10:55 AM (LdHVF)

271

Ok, I'll play:

Obamacare: The Grizzly Man

Judge Roger Vinson: Hungry grizzly

Posted by: Lee (in KY) at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (VHsHL)

272

Sorry if I was Debbie Downer on this  earlier. Of course I think it's great news. And obviously great momentum on the heels of the VA ruling (which didn't go so far).

I just meant big picture wise we still have some hurdles.

And with that I'm zipping the lip on the negativity

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (pLTLS)

273 This rule enhances and zoomifies mah boner!

Posted by: John Boehner, a Kool in one hand and a whiskey in the other at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

274 There were some lefty judges that were all like "Bush lied people died" in their decisions...quite befitting a proper judicial temperament.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (QxSug)

275 >>>Was it just me or did I sense a bit of disapointment in Megan Kelly's voice? I think it's just you, or the effect of someone attempting to counterfeit their emotions into deadpan "objective" zero affect. My guess is she agrees with the opinion but is doing her level best to put her agreement aside. Which might result in her appearing dour.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (nj1bB)

276 Ghost of Lee Atwater: ..."You guys claim to have written this piece of shit for the good of the people and I'm not even going to try to clean it up for you."

Agreed. This is exemplary performance by the Judge. He's not getting stuck by a Congress that passes bad law, knowingly, and expects the Judge to Legislate from the bench so that the Congress can avoid the political price. This intentional Legislative cowardice needs to stop.

I think I have a crush on this Judge.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2011 10:58 AM (swuwV)

277 Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

s
So, you mean to tell me that after all this time you people bitching about Bushitler's 'war for oil' that drove us into unspeakable debt and depression, the war in Iraq only cost a million dollars?!?  You dumb fuck.......

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 10:58 AM (UK9cE)

278 I'd like to hear someone knowledgeable on legal matters (Gabe? or anyone really) predictify where this will go from here? Which Circuit Court are we talking about, does it lean right or left, and what's the time frame until we can expect a ruling from a higher court?

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at January 31, 2011 10:58 AM (cxGtL)

279 This is a disaster! How will I get healthcare now? I'm going to die without it, right?

Posted by: Lefties at January 31, 2011 10:58 AM (FcR7P)

280 Kelly is the reason we cannot get all wee-wee'd up over this. Just imagine 30-40% of the same type of A-hole badgering there congressmen to not let the meanie Republicans defeat Obama's life saving bill!!!!1111!!!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 10:58 AM (pr+up)

281 I am sorry I posted that "Enhance and Zoomify" post right after this one. I tried to put it into draft (disappear it, for now) so that this post could be at the top but it seems to have not worked.

Now it's in draft. I'll put that up later.

Apologies -- I really did not mean to step on this huge news. I attempted to correct the problem, but failed.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)

 

Hrrummpf!!

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (AdXKZ)

282 *pop*

Posted by: Dave Wiegel, leaning in close to the bathroom mirror at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (w41GQ)

283

 ...or approving Acts of Congress or Regulations deemed by a simple majority of Citizens...

Hmmm. I sure would like to know what that really means.

Maybe is the fumes from the skull, but that sure sounds like some sort of alternative to a court ruling to me. Somebody put me to some knowledge before I pass out from exhilaration.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (b6qrg)

284

Apologies -- I really did not mean to step on this huge news. I attempted to correct the problem, but failed.

I commented anyway just to see what happens.

Posted by: eleven at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (7DB+a)

285

268 Was it just me or did I sense a bit of disapointment in Megan Kelly's voice?

Sounded more like a newscaster attempt at gravitas - you know, "This is a big F'n deal" type thing.

Know how some commenters have said that wish St. Sarah would lower her voice a bit?

That's what MK-ultra was doing here, IMO.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (AXHCj)

286 214
Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare.

Yeah, crap sammiches for everybody.

Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it.

Come back when you've mustered some facts to bolster your thus far specious argument ...

Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs.

Oh, please ... refer to immediately prior point ...

You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Fine, let's talk about how how many Americans the glorious stimulus package helped ... firm numbers, mind you, not the usual hand-waving "jobs saved / created mumbo-jumbo. The number fell far, far short of ALL, I can assure you.

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)

Here's what's sad about you "Kelly". You arrived on this Earth as a sentient being, with God-given freedoms and capable of thinking for yourself and acting accordingly. But you've forfeited all that, and for what? Some meaningless and hollow platitudes and a vacuous do-gooder philosophy that cannot "do", much less "do good".

Take some time out from your self-congratulatory hand-wringing and haranguing of those of us who haven't forsworn our heritage. Educate yourself -- yourself, mind you -- by reading some of the founding documents and the arguments -- both for and against -- put forth at the time the Constitution was created and adopted. You'd be surprised at what you might learn, once you back away from the platitude-laden plates of lies you so freely consume now.

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (Wqfrr)

287 did the zoomify thread just disappear?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 10:59 AM (Cm66w)

288

[FITB Moonbat] hardest hit!

Posted by: Magic Eight ball at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (0ba8c)

289 Keeping Score

Rahm Emanuel      Denied    Undenied
Obama Care         Denied    Undecided


Posted by: melvin at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (3OCZw)

290
#150 - shame on you.  You left off the part about how Rethuglicans hate Obama because he's black.  Pay closer attention to the talking points lessons next time

Posted by: David Axelrod School of Posting on Rethug Websites at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (2hQbY)

291 I enhanced and zoomified Megyn's announcement. It was moving.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (FcR7P)

292

Eat it , Leftists.

Justice. J-U-S-T-I-C-E.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 31, 2011 11:00 AM (qJHyX)

293

Which might result in her appearing dour.

She's dehydrated.

Posted by: Will Folks at January 31, 2011 11:01 AM (iWZN8)

294 megyn kelly was just refusing to get "all excited" about this, similar to the reactions of several moronettes.  It's a female thing.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:01 AM (p302b)

295 first Axelrod cuts and runs, now this.

if i don't finish Harvard Law School I'm toast.

Posted by: palin steele at January 31, 2011 11:01 AM (BP6Z1)

296 "VOID"

Dang, I thought they meant Obama himself.

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:01 AM (+sBB4)

297 279 This is a disaster! How will I get healthcare now? I'm going to die without it, right?

Posted by: Lefties at January 31, 2011 03:58 PM (FcR7P)

Don't let that coffin lid hit you in the ass.....

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 11:02 AM (OlN4e)

298 If anybody here is saying bad stuff about my megyn Kelly we can meet in the back of the gym after school!

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 11:02 AM (0GFWk)

299

did the zoomify thread just disappear?

yep.  I got stuck in the backwash.

Posted by: Call-Sign 'Vegas' at January 31, 2011 11:03 AM (iWZN8)

300 Non working sickly fucks hardest hit.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:03 AM (SJ6/3)

301 Greta is in awe of the way Judge Vinson wrote his opinion

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 11:03 AM (uIkCT)

302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 11:03 AM (/OTDU)

303 Didn't Pelosi cackle when asked about the constitutionality of Odeathcare? Or was that the Wizard of Oz? It's so hard to remember.....

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:03 AM (0Hp4r)

304 I am sorry I posted that "Enhance and Zoomify" post right after this one. I tried to put it into draft (disappear it, for now) so that this post could be at the top but it seems to have not worked.

But I was FIRST in that thread!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (UK9cE)

305 Hey Kelly, can we get together and talk about your concerns, and fuck?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (uWf7a)

306

Really, I hate to be the wet blanket here, but none of these rulings amount to a hill of beans until it reaches SCOTUS.

A moderate like Kennedy won't adopt a legal position that he thinks is on the fringe, even if legally correct.

Two different district court rulings against Obamacare mean that the legal position is *not* on the fringe.

So there's that.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (epBek)

307 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq

Let me guess, math is not your strong suit?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (3YYhR)

308 Leg ... meet ... tingle.

Posted by: gonzo at January 31, 2011 11:04 AM (ruvTC)

309 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

--"Several"?  Where do you live, Chernobyl?

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (BP6Z1)

310 Obama: "It's time for a little Supreme Court packing"

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (+sBB4)

311 My concern now is that the Dems in Congress will somehow force through single-payer, and raise all of our taxes (another payroll tax or something) and get rid of private and employer-funded health insurance.  That was the long term plan at least, is it possible the Dems anticipated this?

Posted by: DougV at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (EXsuU)

312 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)


That's an issue for your state legislature to deal with.  Of course that is just plain wrong but it should be addressed on the state level.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (p302b)

313

This Zoomify thing...my curiosity is piqued! Where did it go??

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (pr+up)

314 A million bucks will hardly even buy a hammer.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (SJ6/3)

315 A moderate like Kennedy won't adopt a legal position that he thinks is on the fringe, even if legally correct.

He does whatever that damn coin says, nothing more and nothing less.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:05 AM (TpXEI)

316

Which Circuit Court are we talking about, does it lean right or left, and what's the time frame until we can expect a ruling from a higher court?

Couldn't make a guess either way. It will def. go to the 4th and 11th. Circuits. It needs to get their fast because there was that scuttlebutt of Kennedy stepping down in 2012.

Cannot even believe he could be the linchpin. But the alternative of yet another Obama appointeee deciding this is enough to make me want to  curl up into a ball in the corner and uncontrollably weep.

*sobs*

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (pLTLS)

317 Count it !

Posted by: wildwood at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (VSWPU)

318 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Well I have a stiffy like the Washington Monument, does that tell you anything?

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (OlN4e)

319 "Is the 11th Circuit flakey, like the 9th?"

No one is as flakey as the 9th.  Not remotely.  There are a few loons on the 11th, (e.g., former Florida Supreme Court Justice Rosemary Barkett, appointed by Clinton) but mostly it's pretty middle-of-the-road court.  I'd expect them them to affirm Judge Vinson unless we get REALLY unlucky in terms of who's on the panel.  Though it's not QUITE as solid a certainty as the 4th affirming Judge Hudson.

"..there's no injunction because he found for the states in summary judgment. There's no law, so  there's nothing to enjoin the government from doing."

That's not quite right.  Both judges entered a declaratory judgment without issuing an injunction because an injunction is an extraordinary remedy, to prevent imminent harm.  Because most of the statute doesn't actually become operative until years from now, the situation is not ripe yet for injunctive relief.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (DCQ0q)

320 You Tube is fucked right now.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (SJ6/3)

321 So, how long till a 'tea party wing nut amped on by Rush and Palin' attack Kennedy?/

If I was Kennedy, I go to an undisclosed location and just use 'GoToMeeting'.

Just sayin'

Posted by: momma at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (penCf)

322 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Yes, my erection is raging with happiness.  Tell me more about their suffering, I need to finish.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (F+Y9Z)

323
They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Your good friends can do a little flat-backing and pay their own premiums.


Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 11:06 AM (ZHsNw)

324 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?
Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Would you prefer that EVERYONE you know be subject to an unconstitutional law?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (HicGG)

325

Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

 

 coverage, not care.  retard.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (iWZN8)

326 >>> I'd like to hear someone knowledgeable on legal matters (Gabe? or anyone really) predictify where this will go from here? Which Circuit Court are we talking about, does it lean right or left, and what's the time frame until we can expect a ruling from a higher court? I believe that constitutional questions like this go to the Circuit Court of Appeals in DC. I don't know if it's more left or right.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (nj1bB)

327 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

One, I don't believe you.  Two, lets give you the benefit of the doubt,  does not having insurance mean you are denied care?  No.  Does your lack of basic facts make you happy?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (xdHzq)

328
#302 - OK, you're getting better - don't forget the "hate him 'cuz he's black" thing.  I'd have started out with that if I were you.  That way you make sure you get it in there.   

Posted by: David Axelrod School of Posting on Rethug Websites at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (2hQbY)

329

 

Kelly is having a Sputnik Moment.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (QMtmy)

330

A moderate like Kennedy won't adopt a legal position that he thinks is on the fringe, even if legally correct.

Really?  European law.  Death penalty.  Ring a bell?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (B+qrE)

331

How does this administration get to dole out the approx. 111 waivers to companies so that they don't have to deal with the company killing Obamacare law while everyone else has to?

I know that they are "favorites" of the administration and heavy dem campaign donors......but has or is anyone going to challenge this in the courts?  Can they? 

Posted by: Cheri at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (oiNtH)

332 The 9th Circus is an edifice of jurisprudence? Now I have to take a drink.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (SJ6/3)

333  If anybody here is saying bad stuff about my megyn Kelly we can meet in the back of the gym after school!

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 04:02 PM (0GFWk)

 

Thanks for the help.  While you're doing that, I'll be meeting Megyn in a deserted classroom.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 11:07 AM (AdXKZ)

334 Why does any one on the right still give a damn what Dave Fucking Wiegel says?  I never can figure out why his latest tweet is always front and center at NRO.  What, since he played anthropologist and pretended to study conservatives for a bout five minutes before getting busted for running his yap on Journolist?

At the risk of sounding like a certain unhinged former poster, what do right wing blogs insist on "punching down?"  Seriously, who gives a fuck what Dave Wiegel thinks?

Posted by: George W. Bush at January 31, 2011 11:08 AM (/joDP)

335 “I emphasized once before, but it bears repeating again: this case is not about the myriad problems in our health care system,” the judge’s opinion says. “In fact, it is not really about our health care system at all. It is principally about our federalist system, and it raises very important issues regarding the Constitutional role of the federal government.”

Posted by: Judge Vinson at January 31, 2011 11:08 AM (Jb3+B)

336

DC Circuit tally:

3 W, 3 Clinton, 1 HW, and 2 Reagan appointees.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 11:08 AM (AXHCj)

337 Unfortunately, to the Kelly types, All Americans includes those who don't want to work and don't care to be insured unless someone else takes the initiative and picks up the tab...and people who climbed the fence yesterday.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 11:08 AM (o3bYL)

338

--"Several"?  Where do you live, Chernobyl?

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 04:05 PM (BP6Z1)

Hehe..that was so wrong, it was right!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (pr+up)

339 In a most likely vain attempt to address Kelly:

Only 8,000 enroll in health plan for preexisting conditions

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (BP6Z1)

340 >>>Why does any one on the right still give a damn what Dave Fucking Wiegel says? In this case because he is first to market with the lefty attack you'll hear a fair amount about.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (nj1bB)

341 Does Wiegel think there's anything wrong with citing liberal-leaning analogies in liberal opinions?

You lost me at "Does Wiegel think." I'm sure he consulted whatever the JournoList replacement is before weighing in.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (5Rurq)

342 Kelly, even if your friends can afford the premiums on a plan that covers pre-existing condtions, there are still huge deductbiles and co-pays before an insurance co pays a dime.  They'd be better off self-insuring, and saving their premium money for office visits and medications. 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (uIkCT)

343

Does hurting then make you happy?

Darling, framing this issue much as you line up your Barbie dolls is not the way to do it.

Just so you know, the health care agency with the highest number of rejections is Medicare.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 11:09 AM (b6qrg)

344

I was denied an 8 Bedroom 6 Bath House on the Beach in Miami due to a pre-existing condition -  I am not wealthy and I have bad credit.

Oh, the Humanity!

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 11:10 AM (iWZN8)

345 There are also two vacancies and a couple of senior judges, but only one of the vacancies has even seen a nomination

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 11:10 AM (AXHCj)

346
Heads it is Constitutional. Tails it is unconstitutional.....but I can hear the clarion call of history so it's all good.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at January 31, 2011 03:18 PM (YxGud)



FIFY


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 31, 2011 11:10 AM (TAjuH)

347

How does this administration get to dole out the approx. 111 waivers to companies so that they don't have to deal with the company killing Obamacare law while everyone else has to?

 

You mean 750-plus.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 11:10 AM (AdXKZ)

348 Come on Kelly, give me more details on their sweet, sweet suffering.  I'm almost there...

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (F+Y9Z)

349

Ask Kelly why I should have crappy health care because her friends have pre-existing conditions and why I should not be able to get state of the art drugs 30 years from now because her friends have pre existing conditions and why my mother should get pain meds instead of care because her friends have preexisting conditions and WHY I HAVE TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS WHEN I FIND THAT ABHORRANT BECAUSE HER FRIENDS HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDIDITONS?????

WELL KELLY??

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (0Hp4r)

350

Why does  did any one on the right still  ever give a damn what Dave Fucking Wiegel says?

FI..uh...    aw hell, you know what i did there


 

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (AnTyA)

351

Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions

Look, toots. You need to take this up with Congress. The pre-existing language was the only part of this Crap Sandwich© that polled somewhat favorably. They could have approached health care 'reform' piecemeal. This part probably would have passed regardless and most likely with bi-partisan support. But your folks opted to shove down 2,000 pages of utter garbage. And now we're all saying, well we're singing this.....

If your friends don't get coverage, take it up with the Democrats for passing a crappy bill. Or here's a novel approach, your friends could take responsibility for not getting coverage when they should have.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (pLTLS)

352 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy? Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU) Does paying their medical bills make you happy? By all means, go ahead.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (FcR7P)

353 Communist Party USA hardest hit.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (urYpw)

354 Mr. Obama is a wonderful man and I believe you will find this law is most constitutional.

Posted by: Kelly Light at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (4jFix)

355 Is that a preexisting condition in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

Posted by: Nazi Pelosi at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (SJ6/3)

356 I thought the judge denied the plaintiff's motion for summary judgment on Count 4 and denied both cross-motions for summary judgment. Of course, my eyes were glazing over there a bit at the end and I may have remembered the rest of the ruling incorrectly after the "unconstitutional" part. All in all, though, it's a pretty good ruling for appellate review.

Posted by: notthatGreg at January 31, 2011 11:11 AM (QkqDN)

357 Does hurting then make you happy?

Not nearly as happy as demanding I pay their way through life makes you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (4ucxv)

358 Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 04:07 PM (nj1bB)

I'm pretty sure it goes to the 11th Circuit in Atlanta.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (HicGG)

359 Yeah, alright, went back to the ruling and summary judgment was granted in favor of the feds on Count 4. my bad.

Posted by: notthatGreg at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (QkqDN)

360

Good news on a Monday.

mac :]

Posted by: macbrooks at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (J+MD4)

361   343 Kelly, even if your friends can afford the premiums on a plan that covers pre-existing condtions, there are still huge deductbiles and co-pays before an insurance co pays a dime.  They'd be better off self-insuring, and saving their premium money for office visits and medications. 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 04:09 PM (uIkCT)

Thats what me and my fiance' did. And she is an diabetic.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (pr+up)

362 Dump your waiver futures.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:12 AM (SJ6/3)

363 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Why are you forcing me to pay for them?  I didn't give any of your 'close  friends' their preexisting conditions, and money is tight for me. 

You think those eeeevil insurance companies are sitting on piles of gold like dragons and have the money to burn?  They don't, and all that's happening is that the bulk of us are having to pay astronomically more to insure a very small group.

You want your friends to be helped?  Give them your money and ask other people to help them.  Don't force random innocent people to pay for them.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:13 AM (TpXEI)

364 Thanks Soona at 358.......Good God these people have no shame.

Posted by: Cheri at January 31, 2011 11:13 AM (oiNtH)

365 Why does Dave Wiegel hate America?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 31, 2011 11:13 AM (45DBC)

366 Hey what happened to "Enhance Zoomify"?

Posted by: Iblis at January 31, 2011 11:13 AM (9221z)

367
Kelly is a close friend, and we discuss health care and bump humps on occasion.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell, Taco Licker at January 31, 2011 11:13 AM (ZHsNw)

368 The tears of unfathomable sadness? Yummy.

Posted by: Eric Cartman at January 31, 2011 11:14 AM (SJ6/3)

369

How does this administration get to dole out the approx. 111 waivers to companies so that they don't have to deal with the company killing Obamacare law while everyone else has to?

Not to nitpick, but that number is up over 700 now. They finally admitted to it after the SOTU speech.

Carry on...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2011 11:14 AM (b6qrg)

370 Sounds like Kelly needs to start hanging out in the park instead of the TB ward.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:14 AM (0Hp4r)

371

Yo Kelly,

  So why don't you pay for their medical coverage? Do you have a job or are you also a leech of society? I suggest you buy a copy of the Federlist papers and read them..Either way I don't give F**k in what you and your lazy friends think they are entitled too! What to do something for the men of America ? Well, Blow us all you lover of the purple lipped commie idiot called Obama.

Posted by: Jim Stienam at January 31, 2011 11:14 AM (By4wu)

372 One note about the Supremes - they've been in a particularly chippy mood lately and have engaged in a lot of hippie punching.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 11:15 AM (AXHCj)

373 There's also a really big diff between "denied" and "don't feel like paying."  I have a diabetic acquaintance who thinks he's "denied" individual insurance because the premium costs more than he was paying for a group plan via COBRA (...when you take away the 65% of that that we-all were paying for via Barry's porkulus bill, the difference becomes smaller).

I should smack him upside the head with a dictionary, but he'd just go to the ER and demand free treatment...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:15 AM (4ucxv)

374

Kelly is having a Sputnik Moment.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 31, 2011 04:07 PM (QMtmy)



I think she's having an aneurysm.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (UK9cE)

375
This is great news, and for the dissenters, a lobotomy is in order.

Posted by: Nurse Mildred Ratched at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (ZHsNw)

376 ...but...but...856 trillion Americans have preexisting conditions

Posted by: Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (AnTyA)

377 Here's what I'm anxious to hear about - what this ruling does, if anything, to work toward getting more senators across the aisle on board with repeal of the legislation and starting over to get a bill that actually helps all and not just those whose votes you want to secure for all eternity - amen. 

Posted by: Theresa D at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (2hQbY)

378 You guys are sooo mean! It makes you happy to not pay for Kelly's friends health care. You want to see Kelly's friends have to use the free emergency room instead of getting insurance. You are so damn mean. The emergency room is so inconvenient.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (0Hp4r)

379

These people are just lazy and uninformed. If they are not suckling directly of the teet they can't be bothered with researching insurance policies and the thousands of other private and public programs that are already in place to help.

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:16 AM (pr+up)

380 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Do you buy car insurance after totaling your car and ask them to cover it?  Same thing.

The problem is screwed-up way we use health insurance, period.  Back before FDR fucked everything up, people paid their doctors what the market would bear, which was a lot less than it is now.  Doctors didn't used to be rich.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (p05LM)

381

From the ruling:

Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void

I read the opinion, he seems to take a fairly constructionist view.  Kennedy will likely wuss out and side with "The Interstate Commerce clause means the Feds can do whatever the fuck they want" crowd this time.

It was interesting that the defendents (the Feds) themselves argued that the bill hinged on the mandate, and that Congress initially put in a "severability" clause but later took it out.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (SY2Kh)

382

All I can say is,

"hahahaha fuck yeah"

 

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (lNoeo)

383

nice kelly light sock

 

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (iWZN8)

384 Hey thanks for pissing us off at the last SOTU, Barr. Your friends, the Supreme Court.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (4jFix)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (pLTLS)

386 I blame it on Palin

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (AnTyA)

387 Does imaginary glaucoma count as a preexisting condition?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (SJ6/3)

388 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy? Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU) Kelly's tears taste like branch water in my whiskey. Four-hour boner.

Posted by: John Boehner, a Kool in one hand and a whiskey in the other at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (RD7QR)

389 How does this administration get to dole out the approx. 111 waivers to companies so that they don't have to deal with the company killing Obamacare law while everyone else has to?

Sorry, but the count is well over 200 exemptions now.......

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:17 AM (UK9cE)

390 ...but...but...856 trillion Americans have preexisting conditions

Birth is a pre-existing condition.  

/Clearly we're not spending enough tax dollars on abortions.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (4ucxv)

391 I'm sensing an irrational need to empathize.

Posted by: Counselor Troi at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (iWZN8)

392 Cheri: "How does this administration get to dole out the approx. 111 waivers to companies so that they don't have to deal with the company killing Obamacare law while everyone else has to?"

Nation of men, not laws. That's how.

Cheri: "I know that they are 'favorites' of the administration and heavy dem campaign donors... but has or is anyone going to challenge this in the courts? Can they?"

Good question and I've wondered, too. How is this equal protection under the law? Is this discriminatory? Will selective prosecution result? Wouldn't anyone and everyone not getting a waiver have standing? Seems like a helluva can of worms that needs opening.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (swuwV)

393 Wonder if all those Unions with Obamacare waivers want to hurt Kelly's friends?

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (0Hp4r)

394

Remember the esoteric analysis amongst constitutional law experts that the lack of severability was a legal canard?

Posted by: journolist at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (iHfo1)

395

Not to nitpick, but that number is up over 700 now. They finally admitted to it after the SOTU speech.

Carry on...

Yep, I really need to catch up with this criminal organization aka O Admin.

I thought 111  was bad.....silly me - to think that these rat bastards would stop at  that low number.  They got a lot of people to payback.

 

Posted by: Cheri at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (oiNtH)

396 Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Fuck you and your man of straw.

The issue is not pre-existing conditions. The question is of government power. Can the Federal Government dictate to me? Can they force me to buy a GM car? Force me to buy 'Union' made? Force me to buy medical coverage I do not yet need?


Posted by: Holger at January 31, 2011 11:18 AM (YxGud)

397

This Federal Judge:  The ski jump

ObamaCare:  The ski jumper featured for decades in ABC's Wide World of Sports intro.

 

Jim McKay, Howard Cosell, and harvest gold sports jackets.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (XBM1t)

398 Does this call for Ewok pudding time? Man, that law troll at hotair is going to be worked up.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (c5RQr)

399

Have you guys ever heard of vaginal halitosis?

Is that enough of a pre-existing condition to get denied for health insurance? Cuz I really need to know because a friend of mine has that really bad and needs treatment. It's a friend of mine, not me or anything, that has it.

Can I get some help here?

 

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (P33XN)

400 "It will def. go to the 4th and 11th. Circuits. It needs to get their fast because there was that scuttlebutt of Kennedy stepping down in 2012."

I remember reading somewhere that Kennedy specifically said he would NOT retire until after the next Presidential election.  Of course, that's open to differing interpretations, like everything he does.

" I believe that constitutional questions like this go to the Circuit Court of Appeals in DC. I don't know if it's more left or right."

No, neither of the appeals will go to the DC Circuit.  A lot of suits against federal agencies do, but that's because those cases are either appeals of internal agency decisions/rulemaking, in which cases the agencies' organic acts generally specifically provide for appeals to go to the DC Circuit, or because they're appeals from suits filed in federal district court in DC.  Like the numbered circuits, almost all of the DC Circuit's jurisdiction is geographic, not subject-matter-specific (as opposed to the Federal Circuit, which is also based in DC).

DOJ's appeal of Judge Vinson's order will go to the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta.  Their appeal of Judge Hudson's order will go to the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 31, 2011 11:19 AM (DCQ0q)

401 Seems odd now that the mandate to purchase insurance was a relatively minor part of the opposition to the bill before passage.

If memory serves....

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 03:24 PM (9KqcB)

No it wasn't. And the mandate to buy insurance had penalties associated with it

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 03:25 PM (0GFWk)

Rhetorically, it was third after the general "weakness of socialized medicine" and "death panels" themes. Should have been higher.

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (9KqcB)

402 drew, I thought the DC court of appeals had a wide jurisdiction for constitutional questions about federal agencies but checking wikipedia I don't see the limitation on that or how expansive. Apparently they are the first to look at appeals for federal agency regulations and rulemaking claims... I guess I am wrong that major constitutional questions go there as a general matter.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (nj1bB)

403 I am for making the Judiciary an honorary branch of government.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (SJ6/3)

404 395 Umm, it still may be. See 125

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (pLTLS)

405 You people are unbelievible! Such hatred and vitriol toward people whom have been screwed by big business. I am proud that I voted for President Obama and he will make things even! You people have narrow pea brains and don't deserve to live in America. What have you done for this country other then cause divisions between peoples of color and whites! What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict... You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (By4wu)

406 Can they force me to buy a GM car? ------ Sure Can!

Posted by: The coolio Chevy Volt at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (c5RQr)

407 Sputnik reenters earth's atmosphere...

Posted by: Comrade Obarkeyvich at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (wAQA5)

408 no injunction stopping it

I did a search on "injunc" and got to post #4. Fuck.

Posted by: glass half empty today arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (fVwV8)

409 My inability to score with Emmanuelle Chriqui is a pre-existing condition.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (3YYhR)

410 Thanks, DaveJ, for straightening out my loose shit.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (nj1bB)

411 You Tube is fucked right now.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 04:06 PM

Brief O/T:  Are Youtubes "false starting" for you?  (Re-starting after a couple of seconds?)

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (EOXA1)

412 As long as we keep it out of the 9th circuit from hell.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (0Hp4r)

413

This is going to cause many people to ask "Wait, what's this consitution thing? And how can it stop new laws?"

And I don't just mean Democratic legislaters

...but mostly them.

Posted by: Randy at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (D0PNd)

414
302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?
Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)





Right-Wing Deathbeasts thrive on hippy tears.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 31, 2011 11:21 AM (TAjuH)

415 Kelly,

You are a caricature of the typical liberal, right down to your androgynous name.

Posted by: Piece of human derbis at January 31, 2011 11:22 AM (cxGtL)

416 412 They load 45 seconds or so then stop cold.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:22 AM (SJ6/3)

417 Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu) ---- Are you an actual troll or just kidding? If the former, then go away. I just don't see how liberals can go on conservative websites and troll. It make me hurl just to click on a Daily Kos link.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 11:22 AM (c5RQr)

418

Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Pre-existing from what? Why didn't they have coverage when they developed their conditions? Is it my problem they didn't? What do you think the larger consequences are to forcing companies to pay for someone with a pre-existing condition? Won't people then hold off buying insurance until they have a condition? Why wouldn't they? Are taxpayers supposed to pay for this irresponsibility?

Why don't you and other likeminded eleemosynary folk form your own risk pool to help people pay for their "pre-existing conditions"? This is America, it can be done. Or why not support more insurance companies, and more competition, to encourage a market-based solution?

That's right, hurting people makes us happy. Might as well say it, because it's all you want to hear or will listen to anyway.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (qJHyX)

419 How can the court declare something unconstitutional when no one can understand the meaning of the Constitution? And what's this "Commerce Clause" they keep referring to? Sounds like something out of Homer.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (45DBC)

420 386 Meet Judge Vinson

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 04:17 PM (pLTLS)

...and the Reagan legacy lives on!!!

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (AnTyA)

421 359 Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 04:07 PM (nj1bB)

I'm pretty sure it goes to the11th Circuit in Atlanta.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 04:12 PM (HicGG)

 

I'm pretty sure that it's already done (DOA), and you can stick a fork in it. (Watch: SCOTUS will reject it.)

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (sYrWB)

422

389 Four-hour boner.

You can't call a doctor for that now because there's no more health care!

Posted by: Keely at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (AXHCj)

423 What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict...

I find this notion intriguing.  Go on.

Posted by: toby928 at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (GTbGH)

424
Judge Napolitano - "if you can be forced to buy health insurance because it's good for you, you can be forced to eat broccoli because it's good for you.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (ZHsNw)

425 Mr. Soetoro... You spent the first year selling this unconstitutional abortion to the public to the detriment of the economy and livelihoods of We The People.

Abdicate Now Mr. Soetoro... Abdicate Now...

Posted by: phreshone at January 31, 2011 11:23 AM (T3vCe)

426 Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu)
----
Are you an actual troll or just kidding? If the former, then go away. I just don't see how liberals can go on conservative websites and troll. It make me hurl just to click on a Daily Kos link.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 04:22 PM (c5RQr)

That particular 'Kelly' was a sock puppet.  A good one though.  Sounded just like her.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 11:24 AM (VuLos)

427

Good for the states. Gotta love federalism.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:24 AM (0Hp4r)

428

I thought the DC court of appeals had a wide jurisdiction for constitutional questions about federal agencies but checking wikipedia I don't see the limitation on that or how expansive.

*shrugs*

Not sure on that. All I know is that the 4th Circuit has requested appeal briefs and is looking to hear the arguments some time in May (2011).

Posted by: laceyunderalls, not Drew at January 31, 2011 11:24 AM (pLTLS)

429 Anyway, wtf is with no injunction against it? "It's unconstitutional, but let it proceed for now."

Posted by: glass half empty today arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 11:24 AM (fVwV8)

430
#406 - Excellent, Kelly!  You took a new twist on the racist thing, even better than we taught you!  That'll give you a bigger OFA check for sure!  You just needed a little prodding. 

(Now that nuke on Egypt bit? Ix-nay on at-thay...)   

Posted by: David Axelrod School of Posting on Rethug Websites at January 31, 2011 11:24 AM (2hQbY)

431 Judge who overturned Obama health law lets it stay in effect during appeal,could take 2 years

That seems bad from an economy-down-the-shitter standpoint, but probably good for a public-opinion-against-it standpoint.

I feel conflicted.  Is that a pre-existing condition?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (4ucxv)

432 Such hatred and vitriol toward people

You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu)

And that, in a nutshell, is the liberal mind.

I also have to agree that this is a sock.  It's too perfect.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (TpXEI)

433

DC Circuit tally:

3 W, 3 Clinton, 1 HW, and 2 Reagan appointees.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 04:08 PM (AXHCj)

Elections matter.

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (9KqcB)

434 Can we turn the clock back to 2008 when Bush was President. Obama is a waste of human flesh. Jeez I would even settle for Bill Clinton again rather than Jizz Ball Obama.

Posted by: Bill Jackson at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (By4wu)

435 They could also push for insurance companies to be able to compete across state lines? But nooooooooooooooooooo. That's the market and not nearly as redistributionist and death panel-y for Mu-barak Obama.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (0Hp4r)

436

You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Hater!! We'll see you in court!

Posted by: National Association of Derbis-Americans at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (ERJIu)

437 I feel conflicted.  Is that a pre-existing condition?

I dunno. Let's take out your tonsils to be sure.

Posted by: Cackling Doctor in Obama's Fairy Tales at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (3YYhR)

438 Judge Napolitano - "if you can be forced to buy health insurance because it's good for you, you can be forced to eat broccoli because it's good for you.

That's what I've been telling you people.  Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to Five Guys.

Posted by: Michelle O at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (4ucxv)

439 302:  Just because it included a bit of Vitamin C, that is not a good reason for me to drink a cup of hemlock.

(And please, go ahead and list the conditions.  I'd enjoy ranting about subsidizing self-inflicted conditions, which I fully suspect are involved.)

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (GBXon)

440

 I am proud that I voted for President Obama and he will make things even!

Yeah good luck with that shit-fer-brains.

Bets on whether Kelly is "Ellie Light"?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (pLTLS)

441 Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu)

FOAD.

Government Intervention is never a good thing,

Posted by: Holger at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (YxGud)

442 You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!! Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu) [Evil laughter] Good, good, let the hatred FLOW through you!

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine, GOP donor at January 31, 2011 11:26 AM (RD7QR)

443 I promise to punch Weigel in the nuts the next time I see him downtown. 

(Okay, maybe I'll just spit on his shoes.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (NjYDy)

444 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (GTbGH)

445

Did anyone consider the irony of the finding referencing a TEA party in Boston sparking our founding? Nice touch. Who knew our country was founded by racist, violent men who drank tea? I thought the Department of Education had fixed that.

Posted by: Tigtog at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (Q5+Og)

446 You people are unbelievible! Such hatred and vitriol toward people whom have been screwed by big business. I am proud that I voted for President Obama and he will make things even! You people have narrow pea brains and don't deserve to live in America. What have you done for this country other then cause divisions between peoples of color and whites! What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict... You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!


Does Mommy know you're using her computer?

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (UK9cE)

447 I'm pretty sure that it's already done (DOA), and you can stick a fork in it. (Watch: SCOTUS will reject it.) ------- Reject vinson's ruling or the law?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (c5RQr)

448 I give Kelly an 8 for the School Figures and a 6 for the Free Style Performance.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (o3bYL)

449

I am proud that I voted for President Obama and he will make things even!

You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu)

I am proud to be human derbis, whatever that is.  And Obama will make things even what?  What, Kelly, even what?

Kelly, repeat these words 3 times, speeding up every time:

Owa

Ta Goo

Siam

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (XBM1t)

450 434

DC Circuit tally:

3 W, 3 Clinton, 1 HW, and 2 Reagan appointees.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 04:08 PM (AXHCj)

Elections matter.

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 04:25 PM (9KqcB)

The DC circuit was the court that told Obama's minions that they can't just "defund" yucca mountain. I like them.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (0Hp4r)

451

Why does  did any one on the right still  ever give a damn what Dave Fucking Wiegel says?

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 04:11 PM (AnTyA)

Gotta know the enemy's storyline. Not sure how much juice Weigel has with MFM, but probably enough to pay attention and be prepared to fight it.

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (9KqcB)

452

I'm pretty sure that it's already done (DOA), and you can stick a fork in it. (Watch: SCOTUS will reject it.)

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 04:23 PM (sYrWB)

Ahhh... a legal genius speaks...

IF the Supremes do not take the case, then the judgement stands, and Obamacare is dead in that part of the country.

To overturn this, they have to hear it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (AdK6a)

453

You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Don't knock it, baby. Once you go derbis, you have no other purpose.

Posted by: Big Daddy Derbis Of Love at January 31, 2011 11:27 AM (ERJIu)

454

Here is Harry Reid's press release courtesy of Greta:

Date: Monday, January 31, 2011

REID: TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO STOP TRYING TO TAKE BENEFITS AWAY FROM AMERICANS, FOCUS ON HELPING DEMOCRATS CREATE JOBS

Washington, D.C.—Nevada Senator Harry Reid released the following statement today regarding a recent federal district court ruling about health care reform law:

“This lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt by those who want to raise taxes on small businesses, increase prescription prices for seniors and allow insurance companies to once again deny sick children medical care. Health care reform is the law of the land and, now that Americans see its benefits, a majority of them oppose Republicans’ dangerous plans to repeal a law that put patients in control of their own health care.

“Rather than focusing obsessively on the past and pushing a plan that will add $1 trillion to the deficit, Republicans should join Democrats as we work to create jobs and strengthen the middle class.

 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 11:28 AM (uIkCT)

455 I did a search on "injunc" and got to post #4. Fuck.
Posted by: glass half empty today arhooley, conflicted Californian
--------
There's no point in an injunction.  The darn thing doesn't really kick in until 2014, so an injunction (which is a measure to prevent the effects of the law from causing harm) are unnecessary.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2011 11:28 AM (f9c2L)

456 Please, if you sockpuppet someone who's actually commenting, alter the name so you don't get six hundred replies to it from people who think it's the original commenter.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (3YYhR)

457 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions.

Blame Obama. His healthcare law specifically denied them coverage until 2014.

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (+sBB4)

458
ObamaCare: Dresden

Judge Roger Vinson: Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (TAjuH)

459 "I thought the DC court of appeals had a wide jurisdiction for constitutional questions about federal agencies but checking wikipedia I don't see the limitation on that or how expansive."

Oh no, now let's not go and bring yet ANOTHER court into this.  :-p  It's quite common to do so, but don't confuse the DC Circuit (formally the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit) with the DC Court of Appeals.  The latter is the "state supreme court" of DC's local court system, hearing appeals from DC Superior Court and from administrative decision of DC's municipal agencies, not the feds.  Again, as opposed to the Federal Circuit, which is also in DC and hears appeals from, I think, the US Tax Court, US Court of International Trade and the Patent & Trademark Office, and maybe a few other things.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (DCQ0q)

460 This is the troll Kelly:  Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:27 PM (/OTDU)

This is the sock Kelly:  Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (By4wu)


Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (VuLos)

461 I wouldn't get sick if I were you. You may end up working off your debt on the corner.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:29 AM (SJ6/3)

462

The waives are clearly an embargo of the law dispensed to favor a chosen few.

You bet these waivers are additionally unconstitutional. 

For a major piece of federal legislation codified in federal statute with attending statutory penalties in place for non-compliance, to be arbitrarilty determined by the executive branch as to who and who doesn't have to abide by it, completely undermines the legislative branch and sets up glaring disparities within the intended scope of the law. 

This president, apart from his slick sounding rhetoric, has attempted to use the system to essentially subordinate the system.

Posted by: journolist at January 31, 2011 11:30 AM (iHfo1)

463 Can I get a waiver on account of derbis?

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 11:30 AM (qdtoY)

464 TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO STOP TRYING TO TAKE BENEFITS AWAY FROM AMERICANS

Why do they let him get away with flat-out lying like that?



Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (4ucxv)

465

Kelly is a friend of mine. Kelly will blow me for a nickle or dime anytime. If you show Kelly a credit card, Kelly will bow you extra hard. Kelly is a friend mine.

 

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (By4wu)

466

Anyway, wtf is with no injunction against it? "It's unconstitutional, but let it proceed for now."

I don't know- maybe because he knew it would be appealled and that the appellate court would likely overturn the injunction pending appeal.

He did address the distinction in his ruling; basically he said a declaration should be effectively the same as an injunction as far as the Exectutive branch is concerned.

In the end though, I doubt that an injuction would've lasted to the end of the week.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (SY2Kh)

467 445 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet? Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at January 31, 2011 04:27 PM (GTbGH) Goes without saying. We just moved on to the good stuff.

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine, GOP donor at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (RD7QR)

468

Like your Blog.

 What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict... You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

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ALL made from Human Skin - ALL on SALE!

Free Mayan Calendar with purchase of any HAT with Human Derbis!

Nice Blog. Thanks.

Posted by: Human Skin Hats For Sale at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (iWZN8)

469 Waivers are like dispensations.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (SJ6/3)

470

"Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?"

Kelly, it took me a couple of your comments to realize you're a sockpuppet of some type or selling some grade A snark. I mean it. You, you're good.

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (GkYyh)

471

This is so disconcerting. It has caused another rise in oil prices.

Posted by: Dianne at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (RPC8g)

472 Can I get a waiver on account of derbis?

No. It's a pre-existing condition.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:31 AM (4ucxv)

473 Apropos of nothing, the company nurse says that I've got bronchitis.




Just thought I'd share that.

Posted by: toby928 keeping his comment count up at January 31, 2011 11:32 AM (GTbGH)

474

You people have narrow pea brains and don't deserve to live in America.

This racist, unenlightened money-loving puppy-kicking country? You imply living here is a good thing. What kind of a lefty are you?

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 11:32 AM (9KqcB)

475 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Their peronal affairs are none of my business, and how I spend my money is none of theirs.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2011 11:32 AM (CpbrP)

476

Judge Hudson was first appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1986 to be US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, and in 2002, George W. Bush appointed him to serve as district court judge for Virginia’s Eastern District.

Judge Vinson is also a Reagan appointee.

Ronaldus Magnus -- still lookin' out for us from beyond the grave.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 31, 2011 11:32 AM (urYpw)

477

 What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict... You pieces of human derbis make me sick !!!

Dust off and Nuc em from orbit?  Only way to be sure...

Posted by: Space Marine at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (AdK6a)

478 ust money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs

You know what's sad? Obama wasted *more* money on printing a bunch of ARRA signs and paying states to keep bureaucrats on their payrolls with his stimulus act then the WoT cost under Bush...


Posted by: 18-1 at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (7BU4a)

479 Wait till the MahaRushie hears this.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (SJ6/3)

480 TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO STOP TRYING TO TAKE BENEFITS AWAY FROM AMERICANS

I thought the left's claim was that it would compel people to buy in. Forcing them to buy in is a 'benefit?'

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (qdtoY)

481

Rhetorically, it was third after the general "weakness of socialized medicine" and "death panels" themes. Should have been higher.

Posted by: CJ at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (9KqcB)

ceej..

Most of the specific criticism I'd heard had to do with the mandate. You heard "death panels" so much due to the MFM throwing the words back into the face of a certain former governor to try to discredit it her

...and no...I don't think that certain governor is beyond all criticism

 

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (AnTyA)

482 DaveJ, thanks for putting us the facts.

The wikipedia article on the circuit courts cites a study ranking the courts by political persuasion. The list goes:  9th; 3rd; 2nd; 10th; 6th; DC; 11th; 1st; 4th; 8th; 5th; 7th.

If we're looking at the 4th and the 11th, they appear moderate so its not a slam-dunk that we'll win at that level. But if we do, it would be so nice if Anthony Kennedy had a bunch of moderate, well-respected circuit court rulings overturning Obamacare to muse over before he makes up his mind.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (cxGtL)

483 Reject vinson's ruling or the law?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 04:27 PM (c5RQr)

 

No, the Obamanation Legislation will be DOA.

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (sYrWB)

484 Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

Actually yes.

Posted by: Marquis de Sade at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (7BU4a)

485 I'm still planning on protesting outside Gabby Giffords' office in an orange jump suit once my affordable, basic, Cat-Care HSA is ruled illegal by the IRS.

I will not pay for Sebelius's dumbass HMO.

Shoot me or jail me, whatever...

Don't care if you got shot in the face. (Get well Gabby!)

This is still wrong.

Always was always will be.

Posted by: Deety at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (Jb3+B)

486 470 Waivers are like dispensations.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 04:31 PM (SJ6/3)

No.... more like Indulgences!  Bring back Indulgences!

Posted by: Old Time Catholic at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (AdK6a)

487

The comments are coming so fast and furious, I haven't had a chance to see if anyone else told the Kelly Light sock that the original troll's name was Ellie Light.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (urYpw)

488 Posted by: Human Skin Hats For Sale at January 31, 2011 04:31 PM (iWZN

Bucking Frilliant.

Posted by: Holger at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (YxGud)

489 I thought the left's claim was that it would compel people to buy in. Forcing them to buy in is a 'benefit?'

Shh.  He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928 keeping his comment count up at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (GTbGH)

490 It puts the lotion on its skin unless it wants the rain again.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (SJ6/3)

491

 

Kelly is having a Sputnik Skylab Moment.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 31, 2011 11:35 AM (QMtmy)

492 Posted by: ace at January 31, 2011 04:20 PM (nj1bB)

Looks like DoJ is going to the 11th.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (HicGG)

493 74 This can only mean four things:
_______

5: The judge is obviously a tea partier and should have recused him-/her-/itself.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (xGZ+b)

494 REID: TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO STOP TRYING TO TAKE BENEFITS AWAY FROM AMERICANS, FOCUS ON HELPING DEMOCRATS CREATE JOBS


Damn straight.

Posted by: ARRA Sign Printing Inc at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (7BU4a)

495

What have you done for this country other then cause divisions between peoples of color and whites! What is next...drop a nuke on Egypt to end the conflict

 

Interesting.  Let me do some math and I'll get back to you.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (AdXKZ)

496 Shove THAT up your bung-hole Barry.

Posted by: grizzlybare at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (Ry8mX)

497

467

MK-ultra explained this. Since the mandate doesn't go into effect until 2014, there's no need for an immediate injunction.

Posted by: The Q at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (AXHCj)

498 Judge Napolitano - "if you can be forced to buy health insurance because it's good for you, you can be forced to eat broccoli because it's good for you.

If he had said "liver" instead of "broccoli", there'd be riots in the streets.

Posted by: Peggy Noonan Republicans at January 31, 2011 11:37 AM (HjPtV)

499 This makes me smile:

“This is unbelievable,” Rick Newman, a resident of San Francisco, told Politically Illustrated. “Republicans have overturned legislation by a people-voted Congress with a handful of conservative judges.”

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at January 31, 2011 11:37 AM (Eqd2L)

500 All I am saying is Sarah Palin better appoint this judge to the supreme court first chance she gets...

Posted by: Gary at January 31, 2011 11:37 AM (KUjSN)

501 Judge Napolitano - "if you can be forced to buy health insurance because it's good for you, you can be forced to eat broccoli because it's good for you.


And my, uh, skittle emitter

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (7BU4a)

502 "If we're looking at the 4th and the 11th, they appear moderate so its not a slam-dunk that we'll win at that level."

The 4th is pretty solidly conservative, and known for it.

Posted by: Dave J. at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (DCQ0q)

503

ObamaCare:  My sister's new cork wedge platform sandals (circa 1975), left on her bedroom floor.

Judge Roger Vinson:  Our family's new member, a lab puppy left alone in my sister's bedroom.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (XBM1t)

504 Kelly.

Prozac.

Yum.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (qdtoY)

505 Posted by: Human Skin Hats For Sale at January 31, 2011 04:31 PM (iWZN

*slow clap*

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (p05LM)

506 Judge Roger Vinson, "If they decided that everybody needs to eat broccoli because broccoli is healthy they could mandate that everybody has to buy a certain amount of broccoli each week."

Michelle Obama chimes in with Yes We Can Mandate. And no salt for you. Now get off the bench.


Posted by: yes, no bananas today! at January 31, 2011 11:38 AM (H+LJc)

507 Anyone know the handicap on the 11th Circuit?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:39 AM (SJ6/3)

508 391
Birth is a pre-existing condition.  
/Clearly we're not spending enough tax dollars on abortions.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 04:18 PM (4ucxv)

And it's HeatherRadish for the win!

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 11:39 AM (Wqfrr)

509

1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs

Cough .Bekkai (sp?) Valley in Lebanon. Cough.  Toxins found dumped in Euphrates River. Cough.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 31, 2011 11:39 AM (cniXs)

510 172 Treason?
________

I'm pretty sure they can plead not guilty by reason of being idiots.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 31, 2011 11:40 AM (FzhYM)

511 meanwhile, at the GOP HQ... "ho hum, anything interesting happening today?"

Posted by: Soothsayer Dong from China at January 31, 2011 11:40 AM (uFokq)

512

To overturn this, they have to hear it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 04:27 PM (AdK6a)

 

You're absolutely sure about that, are you? We'll see, won't we?  

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 11:42 AM (sYrWB)

513 Concluding a heated discussion with a raving moonbat on socialized medicine at the height of the debacle last March, I looked at her and calmly said, "I would never ask you to pay for my healthcare."  She sputtered impotently and walked away.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 31, 2011 11:42 AM (urYpw)

514

Kelly is a sock that has posted recently as

By4wu

http://tinyurl.com/48aslna

I always get suckerd in, just can't resist the urge to punch down on a troll even if a sock.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:42 AM (pr+up)

515

51...does this mean that BCBS has to return the extra money they have been charging me since the minute this thing passed!?

shhhhhh!  The MFM doesn't want to talk about that.  Same for energy prices and gasoline.  There's a dem god in the White House, you know.

Posted by: havedash at January 31, 2011 11:43 AM (sFD5n)

516 From CNN:

Washington (CNN) - Every Republican in the Senate now appears ready to revoke President Obama's signature health care law. This comes as a federal judge, in Florida, strikes down key parts of the law as unconstitutional.

The GOP holds 47 seats in the Senate.

According to Sen. Jim DeMint's office, 45 of them will co-sponsor the South Carolina Republican's legislation – introduced last week - to fully repeal the health law. Republicans are "standing with the American people who are demanding we repeal this government takeover of health care," DeMint said at the time.

DeMint's office told CNN it did not yet have confirmation that Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran would sign on. But CNN contacted Cochran's office and confirmed that he would.

More at:  http://tinyurl.com/4f32alh


Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 11:43 AM (VuLos)

517

My fantasy: Megyn Kelly talking to Fl. AG Pam Bondi, who filed the complaint, about the Judge's quotes of Madison and the limited grant of powers to the Federal Government. 

 

I love me some Con - Pron.

Posted by: California Red at January 31, 2011 11:43 AM (7uWb8)

518 508 Anyone know the handicap on the 11th Circuit?


Lawyers?

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at January 31, 2011 11:43 AM (4B5QB)

519 519 Over under, the line.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:45 AM (SJ6/3)

520 My fantasy: Megyn Kelly talking to Fl. AG Pam Bondi, who filed the complaint, about the Judge's quotes of Madison and the limited grant of powers to the Federal Government.

BUNK!!!

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM (5Rurq)

521 Together we Void

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM (+sBB4)

522

Posted by: Human Skin Hats For Sale at January 31, 2011 04:31 PM (iWZN

 

Perfect!  I need a new hat.  Do you do coats and pajamas too?

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM (F+Y9Z)

523 so the judge was able to figure out what the 100 year old document means?

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM (QxSug)

524

Harry Reid: “Rather than focusing obsessively on the past and pushing a plan that will add $1 trillion to the deficit, Republicans should join Democrats as we work to create jobs and strengthen the middle class.

Funny, but I think Heinrich Himmler suggested that the Allies were "focusing excessively on the past" when they announced that leading Nazis would be prosecuted for genocide.

Posted by: Cicero at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM (QKKT0)

525 Those Egyptians seriously want some high speed rail.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:47 AM (SJ6/3)

526 It is worth a trip to the Moonbat Caverns and the Fever Swamps to read the weeping and wailing.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at January 31, 2011 11:47 AM (Eqd2L)

527

Oh, Kelly. Just in case you are serious, I have a pre-existing condition that has long made the cost of my health care and that of my family extremely expensive and very problematic.

But you know, it never really occurred to me that it was YOUR problem and YOUR responsibility to deal with it and to pay for it rather than my issue to handle. Is that so off the charts difficult to understand?  

Posted by: RM at January 31, 2011 11:48 AM (GkYyh)

528

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 04:43 PM (VuLos)

 

Let's just hope this snowball keeps getting bigger and the slope keeps getting steeper.  (By the way, I mistook your hash as reading VuLvos)

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 11:48 AM (AdXKZ)

529 200 year old paper: 1
Obama: 0

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:48 AM (+sBB4)

530 I poked my head in over at DU, and they are saying..........get ready for it.........we don't care if babies die.  Granted they cited pre-existing conditions, but, ANY f'ing liberal talking about babies dying is despicable. 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 11:49 AM (uIkCT)

531

Washington (CNN) - Every Republican in the Senate now appears ready to revoke President Obama's signature health care law. This comes as a federal judge, in Florida, strikes down key parts of the law as unconstitutional

Every time I read it. I get all wee-wee'd up and giddy!

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 11:49 AM (pr+up)

532 This was probably answered/addressed above but, damn, 530 posts is too many for this moronette to skim. When do we think this will get to the Supremes?

Posted by: Trish at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (yqhkv)

533 Now I wish Olby was still at MSDNC. Obooble care will tie 4-4 or go down 5-3. Either way, it's goinnnn down!!

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (c5RQr)

534 A living document can kick you in the tuckus.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (SJ6/3)

535 Maybe now we can get some serious and honest reform.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (qdtoY)

536

Perfect!  I need a new hat.  Do you do coats and pajamas too?

Posted by: Dick Cheney at January 31, 2011 04:46 PM (F+Y9Z)

How 'bout condoms??

Posted by: Cheney's Dick at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (AnTyA)

537 I poked my head in over at DU, and they are saying..........get ready for it.........we don't care if babies die.  Granted they cited pre-existing conditions, but, ANY f'ing liberal talking about babies dying is despicable. 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 04:49 PM (uIkCT)


That being said, a lot of ins. companies consider pregnancy a pre-existing condition and can deny coverage, even after the child is born.

A liberal saying ANYTHING about dying babies is a sack full of shit, however.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:50 AM (UK9cE)

538 Don't we need cheerleaders?

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:51 AM (+sBB4)

539 Together we Void
Posted by: Cherry π

zing!

Posted by: yes, no bananas today! at January 31, 2011 11:51 AM (H+LJc)

540 510Cough .Bekkai (sp?) (Beqaa or Bekaa) Valley in Lebanon. Cough.  Toxins found dumped in Euphrates River. Cough.

And the rest of Saddam's precursors or fully-assembled WMDs in the hands of the Syrian military (do you really think they'd let Hezbollah have full control of them?).

In the end, there will be only chaos.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 11:51 AM (9hSKh)

541 and they are saying..........get ready for it.........we don't care if babies die.

Killing actual babies = awesome!
Expecting a baby's mother to make a couple of phone calls to sign the kid up for pre-existing (there's that word again...) state-funded children's health insurance = vicious hatey reichwingers want children to DIE!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:51 AM (4ucxv)

542 You got any human skin lamp shades?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:51 AM (SJ6/3)

543 Killing babies=abortion. We have a constitutional right to infanticide.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (SJ6/3)

544 533 This was probably answered/addressed above but, damn, 530 posts is too many for this moronette to skim.
When do we think this will get to the Supremes?

Posted by: Trish at January 31, 2011 04:50 PM (yqhkv)

Not for quite awhile.... still has to go thruigh one more court before the Supremes... and because this Judge did not do an injunction, the Administration will try to string this out as long as possible.

Posted by: Old Time Catholic at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (AdK6a)

545 Now chuckie what branch was it that just kicked the shit out of you?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (c5RQr)

546

“Rather than focusing obsessively on the past and pushing a plan that will add $1 trillion to the deficit, Republicans should join Democrats as we work to create jobs and strengthen the middle class."

By this logic there should never be criminal trials. Who cares that your rights were violated; that was in the past, get over it already. Investigations and prosecutions cost tax dollars that would be better spent on helping to create jobs and strengthening the middle class.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (JxMoP)

547 Savor the sweet, sweet smell of success.

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:53 AM (+sBB4)

548

4-4 or go down 5-3. Either way, it's goinnnn down!!

So, no Tuck?

Posted by: Justicia Sotomayor at January 31, 2011 11:53 AM (iWZN8)

549 So Cavuto has on Ron Paul, to discuss the Obamacare decision, and they get into the Egypt situation.

Never ask Ron Paul a question that involves anything outside of the 57 States. It's like he takes off the business tie, pulls on the lampshade, and starts to dance on the table.

Posted by: K~Bob at January 31, 2011 11:53 AM (2BftO)

550 You got any human skin lamp shades?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 04:51 PM (SJ6/3)



That's funny.  I watched Universal Soldier over the weekend and Dolph Lundgren was wearing an 'ear neckless'.......ah good times....

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:54 AM (UK9cE)

551 a lot of ins. companies consider pregnancy a pre-existing condition

...so you should sign up--for a plan that covers maternity care--before you conceive. 

If only there was some sort of goverment solution for that, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 11:54 AM (4ucxv)

552

From CNN:

Washington (CNN) - Every Republican in the Senate now appears ready to revoke President Obama's signature health care law. This comes as a federal judge, in Florida, strikes down key parts of the law as unconstitutional.

Fucking MSM.  The judge didn't strike down "key parts" of the law as unconstitutional, he struck down the the whole thing.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2011 11:54 AM (SY2Kh)

553

OK...suppose you took a magic boner pill that caused an erection that lasted more than four hours, during which period you signed for a new insurance policy..

Is that a preexisting condition?

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 11:55 AM (AnTyA)

554

In the end, there will be only chaos.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 04:51 PM (9hSKh)

 

Love ya', Kratos.  Just love ya'.   

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 11:55 AM (AdXKZ)

555 feel conflicted.  Is that a pre-existing condition?

I dunno. Let's take out your tonsils to be sure.
------------------

Take out her tonsils? Hey, amputate her feet, man!

T-Paw call me chicken?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 31, 2011 11:55 AM (fVwV8)

556 the Administration will try to string this out as long as possible. Posted by: Old Time Catholic at January 31, 2011 04:52 PM (AdK6a) You might be right, but why wouldn't the Admin want this to go to the Supreme Court right away? Wouldn't that be in everybodies best interests?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 11:55 AM (0GFWk)

557

You got any human skin lamp shades?

Yep! Made 'em myself!


 

 

Posted by: Ed Gein at January 31, 2011 11:55 AM (P33XN)

558 543 You got any human skin lamp shades?

*waves checkered flag*

Posted by: Mike Godwin at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (4B5QB)

559

Is that a preexisting condition?

Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 04:55 PM (AnTyA)

Yes, and insurance companies should pay for the treatment which involves four hookers.

Posted by: Holger at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (YxGud)

560 OK...suppose you took a magic boner pill that caused an erection that lasted more than four hours, during which period you signed for a new insurance policy.. Is that a preexisting condition? Posted by: beedubya at January 31, 2011 04:55 PM (AnTyA) Only if you mistakenly walk into an exposed electrical outlet

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (0GFWk)

561 ObamaCareLess

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (+sBB4)

562 ...so you should sign up--for a plan that covers maternity care--before you conceive. 

If only there was some sort of goverment solution for that, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 31, 2011 04:54 PM (4ucxv)

You missed my point.....even if you've had a child in your past....that's considered pre-existing and you can be denied.  And NO, I'm not looking for Government run healthcare, thank you.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (UK9cE)

563 .we don't care if babies die.  Granted they cited pre-existing conditions

If only there were some kind of  State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Posted by: toby928 keeping his comment count up at January 31, 2011 11:56 AM (GTbGH)

564 541 510Cough .Bekkai (sp?) (Beqaa or Bekaa) Valley in Lebanon. Cough.  Toxins found dumped in Euphrates River. Cough.

And the rest of Saddam's precursors or fully-assembled WMDs in the hands of the Syrian military (do you really think they'd let Hezbollah have full control of them?).

In the end, there will be only chaos.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 04:51 PM (9hSKh)

You don't fool us. It's chaos all the way down.

Posted by: K~Bob at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (2BftO)

565

Really?  European law.  Death penalty.  Ring a bell?

 

Not legally a fringe position, unfortunately.

 

----

Gents and gals,

the 4th isn't as conservative as it used to be.  Bush really screwed up on his appointments, leaving far too many vacancies for Obama to fill.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (epBek)

566 The constitution doesn't say anything about an Air Force, Marines, FAA, FCC, FDIC, FDA, SEC, Interstate Commerce Commission but I don't see any move to declare these unconstitutional. I guess health insurance will weaken the nation

Posted by: Lefty echo chamber at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (pUO5u)

567 471 "Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?" Kelly, it took me a couple of your comments to realize you're a sockpuppet of some type or selling some grade A snark. I mean it. You, you're good." Would it have been even better if they had typed the word "CHANGE" in all caps at the end?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (h2+O0)

568 We could call it SCHIP.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:57 AM (SJ6/3)

569 The 4th is pretty solidly conservative, and known for it.
Posted by: Dave J. at January 31, 2011 04:38 PM (DCQ0q)

Maybe not anymore. I read recently that because of turnovers and vacancies, Democratic appointees are the majority. Now, VA/WV/SC/NC Democrats aren't the same as the whack jobs in the 9th Circuit but still...you never know.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2011 11:59 AM (HicGG)

570 Can they argue this to the SCOTUS based on nunh uh?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 11:59 AM (SJ6/3)

571 533 This was probably answered/addressed above but, damn, 530 posts is too many for this moronette to skim.
When do we think this will get to the Supremes?

Posted by: Trish at January 31, 2011 04:50 PM (yqhkv)

When I say its good and ready too!

 

Posted by: Berry Gordy, Jr at January 31, 2011 11:59 AM (pr+up)

572

You got any human skin lamp shades?

NO, nut I have some fabulous human skin blouses.

 

Posted by: Buffalo BIll at January 31, 2011 12:01 PM (pr+up)

573 o/t

even though Woo and Chang are involved and I like Jung Woo-Sun, FML as they are going to remake The Killer and it will be in 3D

Posted by: The Dude at January 31, 2011 12:01 PM (Ig1Wo)

574 I poked my head in over at DU, and they are saying..........get ready for it.........we don't care if babies die.  Granted they cited pre-existing conditions, but, ANY f'ing liberal talking about babies dying is despicable. 

Posted by: sybilll at January 31, 2011 04:49 PM (uIkCT)

Ironic note: Just a few inches of womanhood separate a baby from a choice.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2011 12:04 PM (CpbrP)

575

You got any human skin lamp shades?

NO, nut I have some fabulous human skin blouses.

 

Posted by: Buffalo BIll at January 31, 2011 05:01 PM (pr+up)

 

Damn!  I missed so many money-making opportunities. 

Posted by: Zombie Jeffrey Dahmer at January 31, 2011 12:05 PM (AdXKZ)

576

SC going 5-4 upholding this decision, just before the 2012 election. That is my prediction. Obama and the Dems who voted for it will be painfully vulnerable and hello GOP Senate.

 

 

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2011 12:05 PM (vxYDE)

577 I love northern Florida in Winter

I love the smell of burning liberals in the morning

smells like................victory

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 31, 2011 12:05 PM (UqKQV)

578 2012 The return of the Macaca.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 12:08 PM (SJ6/3)

579 I think we need to respect this judge's decision, and also laud him for not issuing an injunction.

This will provide congress the time they need to create a government program to  help people deal with the unconstitutionality issues inherent in my Affordable Care bill. I have people working behind Senator Reed's closed doors as we speak, to draft another, typical, "this page to be filled in later" kind of bill that should cover any and all complaints about the Constitution's intrusions into your health care.

Also, I'm appointing Keith Olbermann as czar of Constitutional Issues.

Posted by: Presidnt Obamma at January 31, 2011 12:08 PM (2BftO)

580

#578

IIRC, there is now only 1 Democratic congressman in the northern half of that state now, like looking at Ohio south of the Lake Erie coastline.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2011 12:09 PM (vxYDE)

581 Guys, remember Kagan has to recuse herself when this gets there (she better)

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 12:12 PM (c5RQr)

582 582 Right.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 31, 2011 12:13 PM (SJ6/3)

583 302 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)


Yes, actually.

Posted by: Darth Cheney at January 31, 2011 12:14 PM (pqsMB)

584 remember Kagan has to recuse herself when this gets there

Hahahaha!   Diplomatic Immunity!!

Posted by: Arjen Rudd at January 31, 2011 12:15 PM (GTbGH)

585

Can they argue this to the SCOTUS based on nunh uh?

Hahahaha, can you just picture Scalia ripping off their heads and shitting down their necks?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 31, 2011 12:16 PM (cniXs)

586 AAAAAAH Ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaha!

Obama and Pelosi - You boobs!

Posted by: Flounder at January 31, 2011 12:21 PM (Kkt/i)

587 Last!  Yeah, finally got one right.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 31, 2011 12:22 PM (6yyVB)

588 But seriously, I'd really like to know what JEA thinks about this. Perhaps with a nice link or something.

...and cheese whiz, lots of cheese whiz.

Posted by: Ever so not sarcastic at January 31, 2011 12:23 PM (QtEH+)

589 Crap!  Wrong again.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 31, 2011 12:24 PM (6yyVB)

590 11 I have a RAGING high speed rail going on Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 03:02 PM (wuv1c) Now that, is fuckin' funny. I don't care who ya are.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at January 31, 2011 12:25 PM (7xOWt)

591

Hmmm.... interesting question...

We told them this was Unconstitutional...

If it is...

And they SWORE to uphold and Defend the Constitution when they took those positions...

Treason?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 03:32 PM (AdK6a)

It is, without any doubt, proof that the dems intentionally passed, and the Indonesian signed, what they knew was an un-Constitutional law.  We know that they were aware that it was all un-Constitutional because their main argument while trying to shove this steaming pile of shit through was that it was not a tax, but the minute they got dragged into court they took the position that it was COnstitutional BECAUSE it's a tax.  Obviously, they lied in passage, which shows their clear ill-intent.

It's not "treason" but it should have each and every one who voted for it and signed it immediately removed from their position "to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".  WIthout any question.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 31, 2011 12:28 PM (N49h9)

Posted by: Flounder at January 31, 2011 12:28 PM (Kkt/i)

593 All my friends have a devastating pre-existing condition—they're liberals!

Posted by: Quelley at January 31, 2011 12:31 PM (0ba8c)

594 Yes, but the part about coverage for drive-thru STD testing in Subarus, that part still is okay, right?  RIGHT???

Posted by: Courtney Bowles at January 31, 2011 12:32 PM (pqsMB)

595 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU)

The United States was not built to take care of your friends.  People like you are idiots whose very existence works to corrode any civilized society that is unlucky enough to be burdened with your presence.  Perhaps you and your friends would prefer to move to Europe, where they don't have our Constitution and their national governments are able to any damn thing they please?

Health insurance is a state issue.  If your friends don't like how their states structure health insurance, they can move to another - though I'd prefer if you all up and moved to Europe, as I said.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 31, 2011 12:32 PM (N49h9)

596 567 The constitution doesn't say anything about an Air Force, Marines, FAA, FCC, FDIC, FDA, SEC, Interstate Commerce Commission but I don't see any move to declare these unconstitutional. I guess health insurance will weaken the nation Posted by: Lefty echo chamber at January 31, 2011 04:57 PM (pUO5u) My beloved Marine Corps was around long before the Constitution, numbnuts. It was grandfathered in. There, ya feel better? Someone needs to school you on the three "M"s you don't mess with. Truman found out, real quick.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at January 31, 2011 12:34 PM (7xOWt)

597 well well, this has turned out to be a pretty awesome Monday after all.

Posted by: chemjeff is sipping tea at January 31, 2011 12:35 PM (pqsMB)

598 I'm soooooooo mad at you guys!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kelly's Underwear in a Knot at January 31, 2011 12:35 PM (6yyVB)

599 Wow, I take a nap and come back a bit later to an insta-boner.  Sweet.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2011 12:37 PM (DX+LK)

600 So two years they toiled at getting socialized health care, while the economy went down in flames.  For two years they wasted the people's time and money on a bag of crap that only the most liberal kooks wanted, while more sane Americans decried that what they wanted was not constitutional.  And for two years of political trickery and vote buying they attempted to cram down what could not be accomplished by a straight up and down vote, all the while their lapdogs in the media and the elitist in Hollywood levied all sorts of unconscionable slurs for our simple position that our government should have limits.

And in only six months and one historic pummeling later this abortion is declared unconstitutional.  Forgive me my excesses, but regardless of the finality of this ruling, that shit is too damned funny not to dance a happy dance over.

Posted by: Flounder at January 31, 2011 12:37 PM (Kkt/i)

601 596 Several of my good friends have been denied coverage for preexisting conditions. They are forced to have no health insurance. Does hurting then make you happy? Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 04:03 PM (/OTDU) The fall back position of every bubble head I have argued this with. What? .... did this come in comic book form?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at January 31, 2011 12:42 PM (7xOWt)

602 In other news, Dave Weigel is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2011 12:42 PM (A/oSU)

603 MK-ultra explained this. Since the mandate doesn't go into effect until 2014, there's no need for an immediate injunction.

So then why did I sign onto an extra $20 a month, to keep the premium stable on my individual HSA back in 2008 then?

Could it be that I, an individual, ignorant consumer, had some inkling of the fucking chaos to come?

The mandate has not gone into effect yet, that much is true, but the effects of it's proposal are being felt NOW!

cf.  Fucking Waivers.

I'm not a Big Ass Union.

I'm not a Fortune 500 company.

I've met a lot of celebrities and sports-stars in my time but I doubt I've ever shared the room with anyone from Goldman-Sachs.

In this economy, I've found it a tough enough struggle, this past year, to keep paying for the paltry $150 per month HSA coverage that I've contracted for.

Wanna get $300, $600, $900 per month or more out of me to cover "the uninsured"?

Keep fuckin' dreaming my man.

Blood from a Turnip and all...

I AM one of the working poor. 

Jackwagons!

I don't own a gaming system, I only have one (non-flatscreen) TV that I got from a Wal-Mart for about $99, seven years ago.

Verizon just texted me to let me know that I'm in danger of incurring overage charges because I've been getting too many text messages this month.

(Yeah, I'm cheap!  I will not pay for "unlimited text messaging".  Texting is occasionally useful but mostly a form of fucking communications barbarism, so far as I'm concerned.  Why would I not want to limit that? 

"'Sup Deety?"

---  "You just cost me 5 fucking cents, asshole!  Don't do that again!" 

But you don't ever answer your cell when you are working!

"Uhm, yeah...  Because I am fucking WORKING!!!  What on earth made you think that I would be more likey to thumb type "U R a douchetoole!!!" when I am busy?

This voice, conversation thingee?

Far more efficient and way more satisfying!

Stop being a dick!  Not when I'm working hard to make my $10 per fucking hour.")










Posted by: Deety at January 31, 2011 12:44 PM (Jb3+B)

604 I'm so sorry for the violent and stupid rhetoric I've spewed in the last hour or so.  You can come over to my cubicle at Daily Kos any time you want and I'll dip your balls for you.  For those requiring more servicing will have to wait until my raging case of the clap is cured.  You see, I was "down for the cause" before I was "down for the cause".  "Dear Leader loves me, this I know, because Rhambo told me so....." 

Posted by: Kelly's Underwear in a Knot at January 31, 2011 12:45 PM (6yyVB)

605 594 All my friends have a devastating pre-existing condition—they're liberals! Posted by: Quelley at January 31, 2011 05:31 PM (0ba8c) BAM!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at January 31, 2011 12:46 PM (7xOWt)

606 Has anybody here seen Kelly?
K.E. double L. Y,
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Have you seen through her guile?
Her side is red and her state is blue,
And she's lib-rul through and through,
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Kelly from the Left of the aisle

Posted by: Bourbonista! at January 31, 2011 12:49 PM (w1IIu)

607 Kelly, nothing is as easy as giving away the property of others. It has all the upside of true charity without any cost to yourself.

Posted by: Sean at January 31, 2011 01:01 PM (pVEsP)

608   People like you are idiots whose very existence works to corrode any civilized society that is unlucky enough to be burdened with your presence.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 31, 2011 05:32 PM (N49h9)

Universally applicable money line for any leftard's statist bullshit of the day.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 31, 2011 01:19 PM (HBqDo)

609 Oh how I have missed the flaming skull!

Posted by: nlynch at January 31, 2011 01:20 PM (NFChR)

610

Vinson keeps defining commerce as intercourse.  This sure is a sexy decision. 

Posted by: California Red at January 31, 2011 01:22 PM (7uWb8)

611 I am looking forward to Fox's talking heads tonight.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 31, 2011 01:31 PM (EH4cc)

612 You were over the line Smokey.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 31, 2011 01:33 PM (qwK3S)

613 Can you get me a toe? With polish, please.

Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2011 01:42 PM (z5j8j)

614

Fucking MSM.  The judge didn't strike down "key parts" of the law as unconstitutional, he struck down the the whole thing.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2011 04:54 PM (SY2Kh)

The judge never said the title of the bill was unconstitutional.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 31, 2011 01:42 PM (z1N6a)

615 I am so happy. This is the best news in a long time.

Suck it, libtards!

Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2011 01:59 PM (z5j8j)

616 214 Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare. Not some for the rich and none for anyone else, and you people hate him for it. Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney. 1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs. You people make me sick. How about helping ALL Americans for a change?

Posted by: Kelly at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (/OTDU)


The Iraq war has cost . . . one million dollars!

Posted by: Dr. Evil at January 31, 2011 02:07 PM (BP6Z1)

617 Fucking amateurs.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 31, 2011 02:26 PM (qwK3S)

618 I can get you a toe . . .

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 31, 2011 02:31 PM (qwK3S)

619 214 Hey Kelly, help all your brother and sister Americans out by becoming a little less stupid: Ohellcare won't affect the wealthy or the elites, that group of people will always have access to good healthcare for as long as they have money, but average folks?  Well, we'll all probably get a less competent and complete version of Tricare...which trust me, for the rank and file was pretty damn crappy.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 02:33 PM (5/yRG)

620 620 214 Hey Kelly, help all your brother and sister Americans out by becoming a little less stupid: Ohellcare won't affect the wealthy or the elites, that group of people will always have access to good healthcare for as long as they have money, but average folks?  Well, we'll all probably get a less competent and complete version of Tricare...which trust me, for the rank and file was pretty damn crappy.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 07:33 PM (5/yRG)

--Yeah, really, really stoopid.  Does Kelly think that high-level politicians, CEOs or NHL stars subject themselves to the Canadian health care system up here instead of going elsewhere?

Posted by: logprof at January 31, 2011 02:39 PM (BP6Z1)

621 The ruling also means that employers don't have to show them any stinking waivers.

Posted by: scrubjay at January 31, 2011 02:51 PM (PJDMU)

622

Obama just wants to give American all the same healthcare.

Except for the 2 million that got waivers, and Congress. Guess they aren't worthy.

Not some for the rich and none for anyone else,

You libs say 45 million are uninsured. So everyone else is rich? Wow, this is a great country!

Just money for your fatcat oil friends bush and cheney.

Halliburton! Show me the money!

1000000 dollars for war in Iraq with no WMDs.

3 tons of yellowcake uranium (dirty bomb material) were seized by US and flown out of Iraq.

(I know it has to be a sock, but it's good target practice.)

 

 

 

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2011 03:10 PM (YncUp)

623 Schadenboners lasting more than four hours are perfectly okay with me!

Posted by: Your Doctor at January 31, 2011 03:21 PM (71wsc)

624 As it stands, over a dozen judges have ruled in favor of The Affordable Care Act. This was expected as it fell in the mainstream of judicial opinion. When opponents search high and low for activist judges such as Vinson and Hudson, it's expected that they'd rule ideologically.

Radical judges making radical decisions, while expected, have historically failed. We've seen this with Social Security, The Voting Rights Act, Guns, Insurance, Minimum Wage, Civil Rights, Cafes banning blacks, and the list goes on. There's not really anything new about a partisan judge or 2 bucking the broad powers of Congress allowed to them by the Constitution.

In December, Hudson's ruling struck down an individual mandate (an idea basically handed to Hudson by the GOP). Many found that decision asinine and questioned its validity. Vinson however, feels that because of his opinion of insurance requirements, that somehow magically renders the entire legislation invalid. This takes judicial activism to a new level.

To further validate his blatant ideological partisanship, Vinson actually makes a teabagging sales pitch by adding;

"It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place."

Posted by: andy42302 at January 31, 2011 03:30 PM (DD8Gy)

625

Vinson however, feels that because of his opinion of insurance requirements, that somehow magically renders the entire legislation invalid. This takes judicial activism to a new level.

Posted by: andy42302 at January 31, 2011 08:30 PM (DD8Gy)

LOL.  You're insane.  Ruling against un-Constitutional legislation is not judicial activism, you blithering idiot.

You want a national government without limits on its powers that can dictate anything it wants to you, then move to Europe or anywhere outside of the US.  We have a Constitution that is based on limiting the FEDERAL government (do you understand that it is a federal government, not a national government?  No, you probably don't).   Just because your America-hating douche-bag fellow travelers managed to shove ObamaCare through (using illegal, underhanded, un-American tactics) doesn't mean that it conforms to the laws of our land (which you hate). 

ObamaCare is un-Constitutional, and even worse, un-American.  But, what woudl anyone expect from a bunch of America-haters who elected an Indonesian to the White House whose biggest campaign rally was in fucking Germany, for Germans!  Which was also exceedingly illegal and totally un-American ... but you guys bat 3000 on those counts.

BTW, congratulations on arguing that the individual mandate was NOT a tax as you were shoving it through Congress but then turning around and arguing that it IS a tax for the court case.  That was cute.

Now, do everyone a favor and move to France.  It's more your sort of country.  You'll like it better there.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 31, 2011 03:40 PM (N49h9)

626 LOL.  You're insane.

Shh.  He's rolling.

Posted by: can't let go of old memes at January 31, 2011 05:44 PM (GTbGH)

627

Radical gender identity crises require radical gender reassignment surgery. Since I am genetically gender challenged(which I find discriminatory and oppressive), and currently unable to have the elective operation I desparately need to rectify my true sexual identity because of some EVIL insurance company's refusal to cover its cost.

Why should I be responsible for the cost of such an operation because some partisan judge and evil rethuglicans are bigots for opposing 0care? Health care is a right, and I'm within that right to have my genitalia rearranged(at others expense) to suit my current gender identity.

The Voting Rights Act, Guns, Insurance, Minimum Wage, Civil Rights, Cafes banning blacks, and now, Pecker-to-Vajayjay Rights is the natural progression to HUMAN Rights, or something.

Obama gonna pay my mortgage, fill my gas tank, and cut off my johnson and install a meat shed! I am wome...er,...well, I will be soon—hear me RAAWWWWRRR!

Posted by: trandy42302 at January 31, 2011 11:47 PM (0ba8c)

628 250 Seeing that pic on Drudge of Clown Boy getting ready to sign the bill prompts me to ask a question I've never known the answer to:  Why are there so many pens used to sign bills?  Seems ridiculous. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 03:50 PM (x9xik)

When you don't actually have to go buy pens, with your own money to boot, you can toss them out the window as you are driven around town in the car you don't have to pay for.

Posted by: torabora at February 01, 2011 03:32 AM (apK4W)

629

I have a question on this sadly now dead thread for poor Kelly who has so many sick friends (whaddaya, radioactive?).

Why should an insurance company have to pay for your friends' treatment? Why should they insure people when they know from the get-go that it will bankrupt them to do so?  Do you understand the distinction between a business and a charity?

Why don't you pay all their cadillac-care medical bills, Kelly?  After all, they're your friends.  Maybe sell an organ or two. Pawn some jewelry.  Mortgage your trailer.

Or is it just that you don't care? Why don't you care, Kelly?

Posted by: Black Mamba, wondering if there is anyone named "Kelly", other than Megyn Kelly, (same question re. at February 01, 2011 05:25 AM (tSxym)

630 [Black Mamba, wondering if there is anyone named "Kelly", other than Megyn Kelly, (same question re. people named "Megyn"), who isn't a "baloon head".]

Posted by: Black Mamba at February 01, 2011 05:28 AM (tSxym)

631 Wait for our elected tyrant and dictator ignore the judges ruling becuase like all true liberal scumrats they have never allowed a judicial ruling to stand in their way

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at February 01, 2011 05:38 AM (vA9ld)

632 631 250 Seeing that pic on Drudge of Clown Boy getting ready to sign the bill prompts me to ask a question I've never known the answer to:  Why are there so many pens used to sign bills?  Seems ridiculous. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2011 03:50 PM (x9xik)

 

Ebay.

Posted by: Black Mamba at February 01, 2011 05:47 AM (tSxym)

633 I don’t have a cite, but apparently the judge used a 2008 position paper by then candidate for President, Barack Obama, when citing one of the reasons why the individual mandate was unconstitutional.

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636 Hey, i've been reading this blog for a while and have a question, maybe you can help... it's how do i add your feed to my rss reader as i want to follow you. Thanks.

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