November 29, 2009

Breaking: 4 Police Officers Shot Dead Near McChord AFB
— Dave in Texas

Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman says they were targeted in an ambush at a coffee shop.

Troyer told The News Tribune in Tacoma that the officers were sitting in the coffee shop with their computers when the shooter came in Sunday morning.

He says investigators believe the officers were targeted, and it was not a robbery.

Troyer tells the newspaper "it was just a flat out ambush."

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 08:11 AM | Comments (479)
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1
Get that fucker.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 29, 2009 08:14 AM (LswIE)

2 I have never been more proud of my country.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 29, 2009 08:15 AM (bijvq)

3 Clearly this act was committed by a Glenn Beck fan who hates the government.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 29, 2009 08:17 AM (xVKXy)

4 Let's not jump to any conclusions.   This is probably just a completely innocent difference of opinion.

Posted by: erp at November 29, 2009 08:18 AM (BDRHK)

5   Yeah, but whatever you do, don't hit the perpetrator in the face and give him a fat lip.  Because that would be wrong.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at November 29, 2009 08:18 AM (/MEFr)

6 Please, please!  In the name of allah, let's not jump to any conclusions!

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at November 29, 2009 08:19 AM (Vu6sl)

7 Another story claims two suspects. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 29, 2009 08:20 AM (C8YWz)

8
Did the police act stupidly?

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 08:20 AM (b0OGA)

9 Fucking scumbag. 

Posted by: Xoxotl at November 29, 2009 08:20 AM (oZiEc)

10

There are two suspects, one male and one black male, q13Fox.com reported.

I guess the other suspect was just a "what"? er, not Black I guess,

Was he a white guy with a small dick?

Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 08:21 AM (2+9Yx)

11 CNN will break in for balloon boy but not 4 cops shot dead?

Posted by: David C at November 29, 2009 08:22 AM (+fsgC)

12

There was a story about a month or so back about some leftist fuck in the Seattle area who assissinated a cop.

These fuckers could put out their own Marxist manifestos on YouTube..but the media will still wondr what the motivation is

Posted by: beedubya at November 29, 2009 08:22 AM (AnTyA)

13 Fox not breaking in either...shameful

Posted by: David C at November 29, 2009 08:22 AM (+fsgC)

14 Or MSNBC..bet they break in for Tiger

Posted by: David C at November 29, 2009 08:23 AM (+fsgC)

15 Who would possibly have a motivation to ambush airmen in a (presumably) civilian area?  It wouldn't appear to be personal with 4 of them dead.  No robbery.

Wait, I've heard of something kind of similar.  Indiscriminate killing of military members just for being in the military.  It happened in Arkansas and again in Texas.

Undoubtedly this is a man-caused tragedy that results from casual contact with the PSTD virus.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2009 08:26 AM (ItSLQ)

16

Here's the story of the cop who was assissinated (the only way to describe it) by the leftist fuck last month.

Sorry, y'all...but I don't think this is anything to be joking about

Posted by: beedubya at November 29, 2009 08:26 AM (AnTyA)

17 The cops in this case clearly acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 29, 2009 08:27 AM (xVKXy)

18

On a Sunday morning too--unadulterated cowardice.   

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 29, 2009 08:27 AM (DPM1U)

19 Terrible news.  Hope they catch the MFer(s) who did this and I hope their existence ends horribly. 

Posted by: TheresaD at November 29, 2009 08:27 AM (iGCmo)

20 crap comment deleted

Posted by: Hasan Akbar at November 29, 2009 08:28 AM (MwCPr)

21 I misread, they were all cops, not military.  Yeah, probably related to Seattle.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2009 08:30 AM (ItSLQ)

22

I noted over at the Seattle Times site that we're coming up on the anniversary of teh WTO riots of 99.  I wonder if there's an anarchist connection.  Great, a nation full of lone nuts each killing for an insane cause. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 29, 2009 08:30 AM (DPM1U)

23 wonder if they were having donuts with their coffee

Posted by: Russell Brand at November 29, 2009 08:31 AM (DtTM9)

24 They weren't Airman.  They were civilian cops.  If they were AF SF, they would not have been at an off-base coffee shop getting ready for their shift.  And #20, FUCK YOU. 

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at November 29, 2009 08:33 AM (d0rJM)

25 There are two suspects, one male and one black male, q13Fox.com reported.

Yeah, I don't get that, although I will leave words out when typing sometimes, maybe they were wearing masks and long sleeves.  Hopefully, this will end in a flurry of bullets into the suspects car.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 29, 2009 08:33 AM (DIYmd)

26

Sorry for the spelling...I wrote "assissinated" twice.

This is not an isolated incident...the assassin of the Seattle cop last month was done by a leftist fuck who had bomb-making material in his house.

Posted by: beedubya at November 29, 2009 08:35 AM (AnTyA)

27

Only in Seattle.  The Times web sites comments?  Damn guns made em do it!

Oh, also only in Seattle would this line be in a story.

"The baristas who were inside the shop are "stunned and shocked, traumatized"

Yeah, let's worry about the coffee clerks being stunned, WTF about the cops?  Guess they were stunned a little bit too.

Baristas? Jeezes, unemployable college grads, sociology majors no doubt, making coffee.

Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 08:35 AM (2+9Yx)

28 Zippy will blame the cops.

Posted by: 1sttofight at November 29, 2009 08:35 AM (Q+NwL)

29
Wow, the bitter-clinger wingnuts in this country have truly gone psycho. I blame Glenn Beck and hating on a black president.

Posted by: Janeane Gar-awful-O at November 29, 2009 08:38 AM (+FzLa)

30 Don't bunch up.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 29, 2009 08:38 AM (dQdrY)

31
Anybody who is crazy enough to do this certainly won't be taken alive.

Good.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 08:39 AM (+FzLa)

32 One black suspect and one, presumably, white suspect.  The pretty much rules out gang-bangers.  Leaving either a political or religious motivation.  I'm going to put my bet on political.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 29, 2009 08:39 AM (QQM/B)

33 crap

Posted by: bulwark at November 29, 2009 08:39 AM (jifC5)

34 what Blazer Said.  The best possible outcome at this point is suicide by cop.

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 08:40 AM (uJBct)

35 Just don't hit 'em in the mouth when you catch em!

Posted by: David C at November 29, 2009 08:42 AM (+fsgC)

36

Oh, now the story has changed looks like the white guy with the small dick was just a cover to hide the RACIST story line.

"Troyer said the suspect is a black male, 5-foot-7 and 5-foot-10, 20s to 30s, scruffy appearance, wearing a black coat, blue jeans"

Am I wrong, but doesn't this describe 90% of the criminals in the country?

Just axing?

Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 08:42 AM (2+9Yx)

37  Charles Johnson is even now composing a post proving that some anti-government, white-supremacist, Beck-loving yahoo did this.

And you will be banned for doubting.

Posted by: Phineas at November 29, 2009 08:43 AM (ZUNSI)

38 Charles who?

Posted by: David C at November 29, 2009 08:43 AM (+fsgC)

39
This is the difference between conservative and leftists, and between muslims and the rest of the world.

We condemn this act of violence immediately, whereas the leftist or muslim will wait and see who perpetrated the heinous act and upon who it was committed.

The leftist/muslim will reserve judgment or perhaps even justify or equivocate the perpertrator if it suits their political/religious agenda.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 08:43 AM (b0OGA)

40 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King, da man at November 29, 2009 08:44 AM (2+9Yx)

41 So if these are leftist/anarchist wackos, what's their beef?  Are we not destroying the country quickly enough?   

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 29, 2009 08:44 AM (DPM1U)

42

 Leaving either a political or religious motivation.  I'm going to put my bet on political.

There are fucking leftards defending the assassination of the Seattle cop last month.

..yeah... it's fucking political

Posted by: beedubya at November 29, 2009 08:44 AM (AnTyA)

43 One black suspect and one, presumably, white suspect. Frequently in cases of missing racial identity it turns out to be middle eastern not white

Posted by: bulwark at November 29, 2009 08:44 AM (jifC5)

44 As a resident of the greater Seattle area, I feel so bad for the officers and their families. I hope they get all of these ...kers soon and hang them till almost dead for a few hours and then finish the job. Only the liberal idiots blame the guns; unfortunately, this area is brimming with liberal idiots.

Posted by: mbabbitt at November 29, 2009 08:45 AM (TrBlW)

45 Charles Johnson is even now composing a post proving that some anti-government, white-supremacist, Beck-loving yahoo did this.

And you will be banned for doubting.

Posted by: Phineas at November 29, 2009 01:43 PM (ZUNSI)





If he isn't, he's at least praying that is what it turns out to be. He was totally let down when it was proven the census worker in Tennessee committed suicide. Nothing has gone his way lately, fuckin' douchebag.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 08:46 AM (+FzLa)

46

We haven't decided whether the suspect committed suicide or died trying to escape.

We'll get back with you.

Posted by: Inspector Renau at November 29, 2009 08:47 AM (2+9Yx)

47 Looks like the Presbyterians are up to their old tricks again.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 08:49 AM (kKP5O)

48 Is there any chance this is some kind of a gang thing?  It could be political or Islamic terrorism, but political terrorists make announcements/demands and Islamic terrorists tend to shoot everyone, not just cops.

I'm going to go with either "gang initiation" or "revenge for police killing/arrest of shooter's friend/kin"

Posted by: Wolfwood at November 29, 2009 08:50 AM (DF1HJ)

49 10 Was he a white guy with a small dick?

You wingers' attempts to implicate me in this tragedy are deplorable. Have you no decency, sir?

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at November 29, 2009 08:50 AM (DtTM9)

50 48 10 Was he a white guy with a small dick?

You wingers' attempts to implicate me in this tragedy are deplorable. Have you no decency, sir?

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at November 29, 2009 01:50 PM (DtTM9)


Bwahahahaha!!!!!!

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 08:51 AM (kKP5O)

51 don't take em alive

Posted by: Frank G at November 29, 2009 08:53 AM (I+To0)

52 I think this is a bigger story then Tiger getting his ass handed to him by a stripper Matt Drudge.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 08:54 AM (kKP5O)

53
election day in Honduras?


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 08:54 AM (b0OGA)

54

This just in from the FBI:

Not terrorism.

Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2009 08:55 AM (rmNST)

55 anyone still think the war on America hasn't started yet?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 29, 2009 08:56 AM (erIg9)

56 election day in Honduras?


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 01:54 PM (b0OGA)





Zelaya is urging his supporters to boycott the election,....all two of 'em.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 08:56 AM (+FzLa)

57 When the SWAT team corners these animals, look for a textbook application of Rule 556.

Fine by me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2009 08:59 AM (QyExu)

58
Zelaya is urging his supporters to boycott the election,....all two of 'em.

hahaha, I'm sure his former vice-president, the guy running now, really appreciates that.

Zelaya only thinks of himself, apparently.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 09:01 AM (b0OGA)

59

@57

Rule 762 would work equally well in this case.  Plus you can apply this rule "effectively" from up to 800 meters, rather than the normal 300-400 meter range of Rule 556.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at November 29, 2009 09:02 AM (/MEFr)

60

My prayers go out to the families of the murdered officers.

The police officers managed to take the evil motherfucker who killed the officer on Halloween alive. Paralyzed, but alive. I have faith that they will do their best to also capture this suspect (suspects?) alive, as much as they would wish to do otherwise.

We live in very scary times, very scary times indeed. Will this type of violence grow? I suspect the answer is yes.

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:02 AM (RZ8pf)

61 hahaha, I'm sure his former vice-president, the guy running now, really appreciates that.

Zelaya only thinks of himself, apparently.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 02:01 PM (b0OGA)




For a guy who was crying that Democracy wasn't adhered to, he sure seems like he has no desire to participate in it.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 09:04 AM (+FzLa)

62
Guess there is no more off duty.
Seems like this kind of shit is up more since you know who took office.

Posted by: politicalmuse at November 29, 2009 09:05 AM (kLKnf)

63
you're right, ol' chum.

Zelaya wants to be re-installed as president and doesn't give a shit about democracy. He never did.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 09:06 AM (b0OGA)

64 What happened at Fort Hood, remember, is that it looked like multiple suspects with one identifiable as a Mediterranean. Here, we have multiple suspects with one identifiable as an average-height scruffy black guy.

The pattern here is that onlookers assume there are more perps just because of the amount of mayhem going on at the time. A big guy who is trying to run away might look like he is lunging toward the witness, adding to the total count.

In short, 24 Hour Rule

Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 09:07 AM (IJMBR)

65

Horrifying news as I come in from the November sunhsine, free of such tragedy. 

Prayers for the families. 

Justice for the animal(s) who did this.

Posted by: loppyd at November 29, 2009 09:09 AM (UJIeT)

66 For once I have to compliment the media. Our local NBC station is at the scene and while they are broadcasting photos from their helicopter they aren't showing the positions or the whereabouts of any of the law enforcement officers who are looking for the suspect in order to not put any more officers in jeopardy.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:09 AM (RZ8pf)

67 Any chance these  a-holes were OTC's  (Other Than Christian)?

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:10 AM (6g7Js)

68 Maybe it was a typo that  has been corrected.  This is what I got at the link:

Police are now searching for the two suspects, one white male and one black male, q13Fox.com reported.

What an awful day.  My prayers to the officers' families. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2009 09:10 AM (sey23)

69 politicalmuse 62, I had a friend who was a cop from the Detroit area. She never acted like she was off duty. That scene in "Sea of Love", where those douches call out Pacino for his "cop's eyes"? Every time we went to a restaurant - those cop's eyes scanned all the people around.

At the time I thought she was too uptight but with stories like this... maybe she was right all along.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 29, 2009 09:12 AM (IJMBR)

70 Does Washington have capital punishment?

Posted by: Shannow at November 29, 2009 09:12 AM (LJcef)

71 For once I have to compliment the media. Our local NBC station is at the scene and while they are broadcasting photos from their helicopter they aren't showing the positions or the whereabouts of any of the law enforcement officers who are looking for the suspect in order to not put any more officers in jeopardy.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 02:09 PM (RZ8pf)




Thank god the Seattle P-I is out of business. They'd be helping the suspects of undetermined religion and ethnicity evade the police.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 09:12 AM (+FzLa)

72 Thank god the Seattle P-I is out of business. They'd be helping the suspects of undetermined religion and ethnicity evade the police.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 02:12 PM (+FzLa)

I thought they were just online now, no? 

 

Posted by: loppyd at November 29, 2009 09:15 AM (UJIeT)

73
Biggest story of the day and guess who decided to pick up the Climate Change chicken again ?

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 09:15 AM (+FzLa)

74 Zimriel I have a hard time believing just one shooter can kill four armed cops without at least one of them being able to react in time

Posted by: bulwark at November 29, 2009 09:15 AM (jifC5)

75 I agree with the 24-hour rule for us. Officers on the scene don't have that luxury, so they may have to bring the "suspect" in, rather than simply put him down.

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 29, 2009 09:16 AM (JFNQ7)

76

Any chance these  a-holes were OTC's  (Other Than Christian)?

Always a chance, but I doubt this was a jihadi thing. If you're going to shoot up a coffee house, why just target cops? Why not just spray the whole place with gunfire? This doesn't smell like a gang-hit, either -- too open, too public, and would bring way too much heat down on the brothers.

No, this was a vendetta of some kind. This looks and smells a whole lot like a Mob hit (or organized crime of some kind). Fast and targeted. Or maybe it was just one or two cops, and the hitter didn't know which one(s), so he hit them all to be sure. It could have been a personal beef on the part of the shooter, but I don't get that vibe: generally, a personal beef ends with a personal shooting, not a group assassination.

My guess? Drug-running, and at least one bent cop who got on the bad side of his boys.*

*Or I'm completely full of shit, and this was just some looneybird on a mission from the voices in his head.

 

Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2009 09:16 AM (sYaae)

77

They don't know yet if the other officers had time to draw before they too were shot, they are working on reconstructing the scene now.

Considering they were taken completely by surprise, and were sitting working on their laptops, I can believe that someone could walk in and shoot them in cold blood before they had time to react.

There were others in the coffee shop at the time that the gunman did not shoot.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:17 AM (RZ8pf)

78 74


4 police officers sitting having coffee with their computers would not be hard at all for 1 person to shoot.



Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:19 AM (6g7Js)

79 My thoughts pretty much mirror everyone's above.

So, is anyone keeping track of the number of mass shootings there have been since teh Won has been prez?

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 09:21 AM (gofDd)

80 My WAG? Mob hit, drug hit and/or voices in head guy.

Sadly, that's better than the alternatives.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 29, 2009 09:22 AM (rfBP3)

81 Biggest story of the day and guess who decided to pick up the Climate Change chicken again ?

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 02:15 PM (+FzLa)

Taking a break from pushing Kindle sales is he?

Posted by: loppyd at November 29, 2009 09:23 AM (UJIeT)

82 This is the second time in under a month that left wing hate filled blacks have killed white police officers. Guess what won't be covered in the media even locally.

Posted by: dvdivx at November 29, 2009 09:24 AM (rKelX)

83 There were others in the coffee shop at the time

PGiS, are your Seattle CCW laws as stringent as LA's? Every time I see something like this, I always wonder, "What if other people were allowed to be armed so they could help prevent things like this?"

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 09:24 AM (gofDd)

84 76


I'm thinking and praying your correct. A vendetta or dirty cop scenario maybe but 4 dirty cops? That's a little too Hollywood. That said this could get real out of hand if it does turn out to be a terrorist act. (Sorry couldn't remember the new Obama PC term for these types of acts)

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:25 AM (6g7Js)

85 Is there a marked difference between a fleabag anarchist type and a voices-in-the-head guy?

Posted by: nickless at November 29, 2009 09:26 AM (MMC8r)

86 IT must have just been a scene of carnage.  The spokesman said they were in full uniform waiting to go on shift so he implied they were wearing kevlar vests.

By the time the responders got there they were deceased and that was confirmed a few minutes later by responding medics.   

Either there must have just been a hail of bullets, or they were placed with sickening lethality.

 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 09:26 AM (uJBct)

87 #78 I disagree these aren't average citizens they are trained to react.I would believe after the first shot the training kicks in without thinking.Unlees the perp was using a shotgun it would be pretty difficult to kill four officers that quickly

Posted by: bulwark at November 29, 2009 09:27 AM (jifC5)

88

Not that we don't have mob here (Russian) or dirty officers, but my guess would lean more toward gang related, grudge, or a crazy person, though I would think a crazy person would have shot everyone, not just the police officers.

I don't think this is related, but we've also had some robbers impersonating police officers and robbing fast food places after they close, they also raped one manager. I can't remember if it was in this area or farther south toward Olympia.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:27 AM (RZ8pf)

89 If taken alive, trial by jury, if guilty, 1 appeal, if rejected, sentence carried out within 30 days. That's justice! 

Posted by: Greg at November 29, 2009 09:27 AM (fHiua)

90 They all were from the Lakewood PD.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 29, 2009 09:30 AM (btzPD)

91

Rum, I'm not sure about our concealed carry laws, but I think everything happened so fast that no one had time to react.

Of course training will kick in with the police officers, but they were sitting at tables, drinking coffee and working on their laptops I doubt they had a chance. They were also in full uniform, meaning they had their vests on as well. So, the shooter was obviously fairly accurate.

I don't think this was a case of the guy walking in the door and opening fire, I would assume he was fairly close to the officers when he started shooting.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:32 AM (RZ8pf)

92 87

Don't know about you,but I have several good friends that are Baltimore City police and 2 secret service agents and not 1 can come close to my speed or accuracy when we go to the range. These guys arent super heroes they are normal people with dangerous jobs. They qualify once a year in the range most dont practice very often with their firearms (certainley not quick draw tactics) and heres a dirty little secret I've known many who had to either have their partners qualify them by shooting across the lane (since they qualify side by side, at least here) or vice versa qualify their partners. (you get 2 attempts here in good ol Charm City)

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:34 AM (6g7Js)

93 #83 - I'm not PGIS but...

Stunningly, for as liberal as Seattle is and as much as it tries to sway the rest of the state, Wa is a right to carry state.  You have to apply for and pay for a background check, but if you're not a felon etc, you are issued Concealed Carry permit.   

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 09:34 AM (uJBct)

94

The shooter didn't kill the rest of the people in the coffee shop, he either was awfully sure of himself or is looking forward to getting caught.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:36 AM (RZ8pf)

95 The linked article clearly says one white male and one black male now.

And this is not a joking matter, folks. We're better than that.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 29, 2009 09:38 AM (Qt4Y7)

96 McChord AFB is the home of the USAF's 62nd Airlift Wing

62nd Airlift Wing Factsheet

McChord AFB has 45 C-17 Globemaster III aircraft. A C-17 crew consists of a pilot, co-pilot and loadmaster. The aircraft costs approximately $200 million per unit. The C-17 has a cruise speed of 522 mph at 28,000 feet (Mach .74). It also has a global range with in-flight refueling. Its maximum load is 170,000 pounds, and it can fit two large buses, three helicopters, one of the Army's newest tanks or other outsized cargo. In addition, it features heads-up display, airdrop capabilities of both cargo and 102 paratroopers, and is able to land on small, austere airfields - landing in as short as 3,000 feet.

My WAG - a security-related rehearsal/evaluation

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2009 09:38 AM (HjPtV)

97 Mob hit is sounding more likely, jus with this little bit of information coming in. Are the cartels moving in on Seattle? I'm convinced they own the LA City Council.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 09:40 AM (gofDd)

98 Starting to feel like the 1970's all over again.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 29, 2009 09:40 AM (g03dw)

99

I'm not sure where the linked article is getting its information because I am watching the live coverage on our local news station and the department spokesman hasn't updated the media for about 15 minutes.

They have taken a pick-up truck from a grocery store into impound and they are converging with a SWAT team presence on a home near the grocery store but no information on why.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:41 AM (RZ8pf)

100 OK, another media update happening right now.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:42 AM (RZ8pf)

101 Washington state allows *open* carry (with the exceptions of courthouses and places that sell alcohol).  The area around McChord probably has more armed population than Seattle, but I doubt many of them hang around expensive latte joints.

Posted by: bad cat robot at November 29, 2009 09:43 AM (N8nrL)

102 Monty is right.  From what I understand, that area is a cesspool of drug activity.

I'm sure that the suspect, when caught, will draw a weapon in a threatening manner.  "Officer Smith, can you explain why you reloaded after shooting the suspect 10 times?"  "I thought he was going for his gun."

Posted by: Steve L. at November 29, 2009 09:45 AM (mIIVr)

103

The media update was basically just a spanking of some of the media that are behaving badly by broadcasting locations of the SWAT team etc.

The most up to date information is still only one suspect.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:47 AM (RZ8pf)

104
2 man team that kills only cops, no robbery or other victims.  That's a message killing.  Somebody is unhappy enough with the police to go to war with them, and isn't worrying about losing, so they probably have someone inside the state AG office.  Gotta be drugs.

Canadian mob from Vancouver?  Seattle is a big transshipment point.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 29, 2009 09:49 AM (bOV32)

105
More than likely, this will turn out to be something gang-related (i.e. gang initiation).
Or it could be someone that just hates the police or someone that had a personal vendetta against one of them and took all four of them out.

I'll put my bet on gang-related.

For all the people that think that it would be hard to carry out something like this: No, it wouldn't.

Speed, surprise and violence of action wins every time.

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 09:51 AM (86F8f)

106 My instinct says this is terrorism related.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2009 09:52 AM (J5AV2)

107

I'm not sure why people still keep talking about 2 suspects, the latest from the police spokesperson is still just one suspect, a black male 5'6" to 5'10" scruffy looking, wearing blue jeans and a black coat. He fled on foot after the shooting.

There are at least 2 baristas and one or more customers with police right now who witnessed the whole thing so I think the description that the police have put out is fairly accurate thus far to what they know.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 09:53 AM (RZ8pf)

108
Just one shooter?  Well that pulls my Vancouver mafia theory off the table.  Sorry.  Now I agree with Polynikes, it's John Mohammed 2.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 29, 2009 09:56 AM (bOV32)

109 Speculation is pointless. Wait for facts, I say.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 09:56 AM (eSNGZ)

110 Maybe the msm is saying one black guy and one white guy because it sounds more pc - I'm surprised the msm isn't just saying "two men" -

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 09:57 AM (cEOZd)

111 Or I'm completely full of shit...

Bingo.

Posted by: DelD at November 29, 2009 09:58 AM (rC+/c)

112 The local television media is being very clear: one suspect black male.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:00 AM (RZ8pf)

113 Anyone brazen enough to assasinate 4 cops in broad daylight is a total psycopath (religiously motivated or not) and deserves to die!!

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 10:00 AM (6g7Js)

114 I live in Los Angeles and if there is one thing I've observed about the gangs here is that they are not known for their marksmanship. and usually unintended targets get hurt.

Posted by: bulwark at November 29, 2009 10:00 AM (jifC5)

115 It wouldn't have to be someone who's an elite shooter to pull something like this off.  A few shots at point-blank range at a person's head are pretty catastrophic.  As for reaction time, have you ever tried to draw a gun sitting down?  Heck (presuming legality), go out to your car and try to take your gun from its holster as though you were going to put it away.  It's awkward and slow at best.  If these cops were sitting in a booth then probably only one of them ever even had any chance at all of being able to draw. 

Against unaware, boxed-in targets even a snub-nosed revolver could have been used here so long as the shooter had even a little bit of experience.

Posted by: Wolfwood at November 29, 2009 10:01 AM (DF1HJ)

116 70 Does Washington have capital punishment? HELL YES! We do! But Seattle has a much different mind set then the rest of the State. Remember Wesley Allen Dood. He was the killer pedophile here in Clark County. Yep the State helped him to meet his maker and it didn't take half a life time to get him done either. No appeals, nothing. Dood was hanged, at his own request. That was the way he killed the children. A friend of mine was a jurist for the Dood trial. He is still in therapy from the the gruesome stuff he had to see. At that was 15 or so years ago. My prayers for the families of these 4 public servants.

Posted by: kim in vancouver, usa at November 29, 2009 10:07 AM (J+IUl)

117 The possibilities here are all beyond strange.

1) The four dead officers (or three, or at least two) were specific targets of a hit team.  (If only one officer was the target, there would have been other opportunities to kill him or her with less risk.)  In that scenario, there would likely be a clear motive tied to some prior police investigation or activity.

OR

2) This was akin to the other police assassination in Seattle, where the earlier crime spurred others to take similar "revolutionary" action.

OR

3) This was an act of sudden or not-so-sudden jihad targeting visible symbols of American authority.  People who might have wanted to infiltrate and attack military personnel at McChord AFB decided to go after a softer target.

I am not sure where I'd put my money if I had to bet on one of these possibilities.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 10:10 AM (Ate22)

118 I'm actually hoping the cops catch him alive. He has a lot of stairs to fall down, a lot of doors to bump into, and a lot of coffee to spill on his nuts, before he accidentally exits a helicopter.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 10:11 AM (eSNGZ)

119 Thanks for the update PGIS.  I can't find ONE single iota of information on TV.  Amazing.  Maybe if they had been assaulted by Tiger's wife wielding a golf club.  Meh. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 29, 2009 10:11 AM (l5xl/)

120 Over at Sound Politics.com they are saying that radio stations are reporting that there was only one shooter.

Posted by: kim in vancouver, usa at November 29, 2009 10:12 AM (J+IUl)

121 So not gang, not mob, not terrorist.  That leaves a fellow cop they all crossed or a crazy guy who is a real good shot.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 10:13 AM (cEOZd)

122 Texas is thinking of replacing their electric chair with an electric couch.  Texas don't f... around.  Home to good looking women and cowboys.  Gotta love Texas.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 29, 2009 10:14 AM (RQ+qN)

123 Well, if it is a Jihadi act, the MSM will have to break out the Emergency Excuse Equipment, again.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 10:14 AM (eSNGZ)

124 PGiS: What station are you watching? Do they have a web feed?

And how do they describe the suspect now?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 29, 2009 10:15 AM (Qt4Y7)

125 Well who knows what's going on now. About 8-10 police cars took off with full lights and sirens a few minutes ago headed north, also at one of the perimeters, by the house where they took someone into custody--though not the suspect, the police have put on their tactical gear and are standing with weapons pointed into the area.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:15 AM (RZ8pf)

126 114

True Bulwark but at these close ranges it doesn't take an expert. If they were seated in a booth it would have been almost impossible for them to react in time.
The gang bangers in LA are usually either driving by in a car or running away from each other shooting back behind themselves.

#105 & #115 had it right.

Hunt this POS down and don't let him make it to a trial. Let the detectives figure out what motivated him from his left over personal belongings.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 10:18 AM (6g7Js)

127 I hope their names are Aziz and Mohamhead.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 29, 2009 10:18 AM (MmpmX)

128 116 70

Thank you...

Posted by: Shannow at November 29, 2009 10:19 AM (LJcef)

129

I'm watching King 5, but I don't see a feed on their website, though they recently rearranged everything so maybe it is there.

Looks like Northwest Cable News has a live feed on the web, that's at nwcn dot com

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:19 AM (RZ8pf)

130 You can go to komonews.com or king5.com

Posted by: kim in vancouver, usa at November 29, 2009 10:19 AM (J+IUl)

131 good thing no late term abortion doctors were killed.  President Zero would have to come back early from he long weekend off to comment on the tragedy then.  It's only cops so he can relax.

Posted by: Julescat at November 29, 2009 10:20 AM (cQzDI)

132

Suspect still described as one black male.

They are about to do another media update.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:20 AM (RZ8pf)

133
Texas is thinking of replacing their electric chair with an electric couch. 

What the hell are you talking about?  Texas uses the needle just like everyone else, unfortunately.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 29, 2009 10:20 AM (bOV32)

134
While they're investigating, maybe the police can find out who in King county stole the 2004 election for Gregoyle.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 10:21 AM (b0OGA)

135
good thing no late term abortion doctors were killed.  President Zero would have to come back early from he long weekend off to comment on the tragedy then.  It's only cops so he can relax.

Posted by: Julescat at November 29, 2009 03:20 PM (cQzDI)






Ironically Obama was in Washington yesterday attending a basketball game.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 10:22 AM (+FzLa)

136 #117

You missed one.

gang related initiation. Just as bizarre a possibility, but still plausible at this point.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 10:22 AM (6g7Js)

137 UGH.  now fake 911 calls sending cops out on a wild goose chase .  What in the hell is wrong with people?

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 10:22 AM (uJBct)

138
UGH.  now fake 911 calls sending cops out on a wild goose chase .  What in the hell is wrong with people?

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 03:22 PM (uJBct)





Ex-Seattle P-I reporters would be my guess.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 10:23 AM (+FzLa)

139 Possibly a getaway driver, but they don't have a description and they haven't confirmed that there even was a getaway driver.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:24 AM (RZ8pf)

140 I'd be a nervous wreck if I were a parent of a kid at PLU right now.

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 10:27 AM (uJBct)

141 KING5 live feed here.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 10:28 AM (Ate22)

142

 said Nickels. "Let me be clear. We will not rest until the..

Seattle presser on the cop assassination.

Now everybody is using that phrase. Thanx barry

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 10:28 AM (u+bxv)

143 And so the leftwing/muslim assassination spree continues.

Military recruiters (in AL IIRC). Police officers in WA state - twice. Ft Hood.

Odd how these events keep being discussed as individual events and not a chain of events...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2009 10:32 AM (bgcml)

144 Can't wait to hear what Joy Behar has to say about this.

Posted by: katya at November 29, 2009 10:34 AM (sHqiq)

145 Starting to feel like the 1970's all over again.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 29, 2009 02:40 PM (g03dw)


Well, we did just elect Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Bugaloo to the presidency.

Come for the political violence, stay for the stagflation.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2009 10:39 AM (bgcml)

146 "141 KING5 live feed here. Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 03:28 PM " Great link. Thanks, stuiec.

Posted by: Bugler at November 29, 2009 10:40 AM (YCVBL)

147

They are only talking about one suspect.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 10:42 AM (cEOZd)

148

Stevo

Kinda sounds like they are in a race war in Seattle.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 10:44 AM (cEOZd)

149 #146

Come on there are 1001 things to hold Barry accountable for. His race is not 1 of them. Keep the dialouge more intelligent than that. Jimmy Carter squared was 'nuff said.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 10:45 AM (6g7Js)

150
Diane sawyer just called me and said, "I hope his name is Smith."

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 29, 2009 10:47 AM (b0OGA)

151


Kinda sounds like they are in a race war in Seattle.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 03:44 PM (cEOZd)





The FBI came out last week and said that hate crimes were on the increase in the Richmond area. Of course the president of the local NAACP came out swinging in a press conference.

Which is funny, because the FBI doesn't say in their report who's perpetrating the hate crimes against who.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 10:48 AM (+FzLa)

152

Kinda sounds like they are in a race war in Seattle.

During Barry's reign?   No way.

Posted by: katya at November 29, 2009 10:48 AM (sHqiq)

153 Jason Blair, Dan Rather, OJ, Michael Mann, and Al Gore walk into a bar... 

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 10:49 AM (zL+qc)

154 Oh.  Sorry.  Wrong thread.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 10:50 AM (zL+qc)

155 I think this is too close to the AFB not to be a backup target after they got turned away at the gates.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at November 29, 2009 10:50 AM (kKP5O)

156
Jason Blair, Dan Rather, OJ, Michael Mann, and Al Gore walk into a bar...


Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2009 03:49 PM (zL+qc)



....The Aristocrats !

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 10:51 AM (+FzLa)

157

I stupidly thought that having a black presedent would make race realtions better.  It was the only good thing I could see about electing Obama. 

But he has just made them worse, and he's on the fast track to destroy the USA as we know it.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 10:53 AM (cEOZd)

158 You missed one.

gang related initiation. Just as bizarre a possibility, but still plausible at this point.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:22 PM (6g7Js)

I guess that is a possibility.  Apparently there is a Pierce County Violent Crime Task Force that has to deal with gang activity in and around Tacoma. 

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 10:54 AM (Ate22)

159

Jason Blair, Dan Rather, OJ, Michael Mann, and Al Gore walk into a bar...and freeze to death

No go with it!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 10:57 AM (u+bxv)

160

I'm not sure if race war is accurate, but there definitely is an explosion of violence here, mostly black on black though there is a rise on groups of "youths" (in this case that is usually code for black gang members) attacking innocent people at bus stops etc.

They cry about being targeted, yet 9 times out of 10 the violence rests solely in their backyard. Until we start being honest about this and stop hiding behind "political correctness" it will only get worse. I honestly don't know what the solution is.

We have one intersection in Seattle, 3rd and Pine, where there is a permanent police presence now due to all the violence. And that is only a few blocks from the downtown malls and from Pike Place Market. Never walk on the McDonalds side of the street when you are walking from Westlake to Pike Place.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 10:59 AM (RZ8pf)

161 Odd, no mention of the races of the murdered police officers.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 11:00 AM (cEOZd)

162
Never walk on the McDonalds side of the street when you are walking from Westlake to Pike Place.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 03:59 PM (RZ8pf)

Sorry, but that sounds rather paranoid to me. 

Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 11:00 AM (6mfq0)

163 "Let's not jump to any conclusions. This is probably just a completely innocent difference of opinion." Yeah the police officers' opinion was that getting shot = bad, the shooter obviously had a different one. Maybe Barry O will steal that line from me when he gets on TV and explains that some people just really believe that the police need more metal in their diets and the best way to get it in there is with a gun, the police disagree, but according to Barry O everyone's entitled to their opinion... except when he's "trying" to clean up a "mess."

Posted by: chaos at November 29, 2009 11:01 AM (mFUln)

164 So when doe spreznint fuk nuttz declare this act a 'discussion'?

We're so fucked it isn't even funny anymore.

Posted by: Melodic Metal at November 29, 2009 11:03 AM (9QC0z)

165 Since we are all just guessing, I am going with guy who was a wife beater, got arrested by these guys and got his kids taken away. Grudge.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 29, 2009 11:04 AM (DIYmd)

166

Sorry, but that sounds rather paranoid to me. 

I call it prudent. Between the youths and the homeless that hang out at that McDonalds you can never be sure if you are going to be mugged, peed on, or set on fire. Even with the police car parked right there.

And lest you think I'm exaggerating, we had a crazy person dousing people with lighter fluid and setting them on fire a few summers ago here.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 11:05 AM (RZ8pf)

167
If the Officer's are white, Obama will have Gibby mention the incident in the morning briefing, but if the Officer's are black, President Obama will speak at length about the tragedy and dispatch The Wookie to the funeral service. 

If the Officer's are mixed black and white, it will warrant little if any response, but Gibby will speak eloquently about how America must learn to love and  respect each other after eight years of Bush hatred. 

Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 11:07 AM (6mfq0)

168 Now we will have listen and get lectured on how oppressed the black man is for the next week.  OK, OK, I know and admit it is all my white ass fault those 4 cops got killed.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 11:07 AM (cEOZd)

169

Prayers for the victims, and thank you PGIS for the updates.

Tacoma PD and locals, take this one to the end.

 

Posted by: Andrew at November 29, 2009 11:07 AM (s+Z+Q)

170 Seattle's oldest civil rights organization says that complaints of racial profiling are rising and that the mayor's recent statements of concern for troubled youths will be nothing more than empty words without reducing police harassment of black teens.

Young black males commit crimes at 10X the rate of whites. Keeping them under close watch is only rational. They commit most of the crimes, so they fit the profile of the typical criminal. If blacks won't clean up their act, their act will be cleaned up for them, out of the need for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from black thuggery.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 29, 2009 11:08 AM (Qt4Y7)

171

Faux News is now reporting there was only one shooter, using a pistol.

The perp was reportedly "scruffy looking" and "black".

Obviously more racist reporting from the Murdoch magnate.

Posted by: Tinian at November 29, 2009 11:08 AM (7+pP9)

172 85 Is there a marked difference between a fleabag anarchist type and a voices-in-the-head guy?

Posted by: nickless at November 29, 2009 02:26 PM (MMC8r)


just the drooling

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 29, 2009 11:08 AM (erIg9)

173

I stupidly thought that having a black presedent would make race realtions better.  It was the only good thing I could see about electing Obama. 

But he has just made them worse, and he's on the fast track to destroy the USA as we know it.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 03:53 PM (cEOZd)

Barack Obama as America's first Black President is only symbolic as far as race relations are concerned, with one exception: by appointing Eric Holder as Attorney General, he's created a channel for policies to create "racial justice" -- payback -- as in the refusal of the Justice Department to charge the New Black Panther Party members who blocked access to the polling place in Philadelphia.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 11:09 AM (Ate22)

174

Riiiiiight.  We see clearly, this very moment, how police are harrassing blacks.

Tsk, tsk.  It's just shameful

 

/

Posted by: Stillwater at November 29, 2009 11:12 AM (qUdDE)

175 #175

ABSOLUTELY! The scruffy looking descrption could be MSM code for islamic beard.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:12 AM (6g7Js)

176 Fox is reporting that the cops were all wearing body armor and therefore most likely all the shots were head shots.

That doesn't sound like the average gang banger to me.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2009 11:14 AM (CDUiN)

177
And lest you think I'm exaggerating..........

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (RZ8pf)

I don't for a moment believe you were exaggerating, and fully understand there are areas in every medium sized city that are dangerous.  I live in Juno Beach, Florida which abuts West Palm Beach and there are areas in that city that should not be driven by white folks. 

The politicos try to cover up the mayhem and carnage the underclass produces, but with dangerous young criminals on the street looking for cred or money, it's very foolhardy for people who are unarmed to assume it won't happen to them. 

Posted by: Fish at November 29, 2009 11:14 AM (6mfq0)

178 Gee, could this be at all related?  Happened just yesterday.

http://bit.ly/6rcUmi

Pierce County sheriff's deputies shot and killed a man Saturday afternoon following reports of an erratic driver and an ensuing high-speed chase in Puyallup.

Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said two officers opened fire on the man after he tried to run them down.

The name of the shooting victim was not immediately available. Troyer said he was wanted on an outstanding warrant for felony abuse of a child.

Troyer said several motorists called 911 to report an erratic driver who had struck several vehicles late Saturday afternoon. Responding deputies spotted the gold-colored SUV and gave chase. After the SUV ran at least one red light, struck other vehicles and knocked down several signs, deputies performed a high-speed maneuver designed to force the car to spin out and stop. The move was successful and the vehicle wound up in a ditch, Troyer said.

But the driver tried to drive off, even as several patrol cars and deputies arrived at the scene. One patrol car was rammed and, as deputies on foot approached the SUV, the driver tried to accelerate toward them and they opened fire, Troyer said.


Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 11:14 AM (Ate22)

179 Re: 131 ParanoidGirlinSeattle
I'm sorry to hear about the gangbangers hanging out downtown near Pike Place. I visited a friend out there in 2004, and it was a great trip. Seattle has such an attractive downtown area, especially around Pike Place. It's really sad to hear a great story has had a downtown area go to hell because of political correctness and city officials who fear the "R" word more than the slow erosion of downtown commerce due to visitors and employees not wanting to be in a shooting gallery.
 

Posted by: exdem13 at November 29, 2009 11:15 AM (lYKj1)

180

I stupidly thought that having a black presedent would make race realtions better. 

I never believed this.  His most ardent supporters (not to mention, his wife) made everything about race and hate.  It stood to reason that he would do the same.

Posted by: katya at November 29, 2009 11:16 AM (sHqiq)

181

Dang all those guns, too--just goin' 'round an' blowin' folks's heads off!

 

Holder's gonna have allllll kinds of reasons to beat up the 2nd A, isn't he?

Posted by: Stillwater at November 29, 2009 11:16 AM (qUdDE)

182
Only a fool would enter the Richmond city limits after dark without a pistol.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 11:17 AM (+FzLa)

183 Maybe if they catch this guy, the WH can offer him a SS position

Posted by: Stillwater at November 29, 2009 11:20 AM (qUdDE)

184 Come to think of it, if the body armor/head shot thing is correct, that should take the gang banger thing off the table. 4 cops instead of 1 not a personal grudge. (i.e. a love sexagon) dont think so. Organized crime would not want the publicity or attention and heat this would bring down on them. If it was organized I don't think it would have been done this publicly.

My bet now. DOMESTIC TERROR

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:21 AM (6g7Js)

185 Still not sure how a half-Kenyan raised by Marxist crackers qualifies as Black, especially since Rice, Powell, Steele, and Clarence Thomas "don't count."

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 29, 2009 11:21 AM (DtTM9)

186

Seattle/Tacoma has truly turned into the Devil's asshole in the past decade.  Crime, libtard policies, taxes, Californians...

Remember hitting the bars downtown Seattle in the 80's and early 90's without fear of death...good times...good times...

Posted by: Sid Haig at November 29, 2009 11:21 AM (1+E1V)

187 Victims identified as 3 men and 1 woman.

In other news, Camden, NJ has surpassed New Orleans as the murder capital of the USA.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 29, 2009 11:24 AM (DIYmd)

188 #188

Ahhhh, I remember the good ole days when Baltimore & DC went back and forth for that title. We're down to like 250 murders a year now from our usual 300+. Must be the fact the city has gone from over 1 million to about 600,000 now.

Headline here the other day Maryland down to it's lowes number of millionaires in last 4 years. New taxes unrelated.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:29 AM (6g7Js)

189 MSM response to this.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Move along.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:35 AM (6g7Js)

190 Ahhhh, I remember the good ole days when Baltimore & DC went back and forth for that title. We're down to like 250 murders a year now from our usual 300+. Must be the fact the city has gone from over 1 million to about 600,000 now.

Headline here the other day Maryland down to it's lowes number of millionaires in last 4 years. New taxes unrelated.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 04:29 PM (6g7Js)






 Richmond, where I live got the honor a few times. My best guess is the truly heinous have already killed each other off. The 1-95 corridor truly has a lot of scumbags in it.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 11:36 AM (+FzLa)

191 Bill in Baltimore, curious about your opinion of The Wire, how accurate is it?

Posted by: Jose at November 29, 2009 11:38 AM (p5y6H)

192 I stupidly thought that having a black presedent would make race realtions better.

I never thought that, prior to Obama taking the lead in the primaries, ...

Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ tenets:

- Commitment to God
- Commitment to the Black Community
- Commitment to the Black Family
- Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
- Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
- Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
- Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
- Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
- Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
- Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
- Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
- Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
(TUCC still posts these on their web page, but explains them away)

Great! A racist socialist.

That always seems to work wonders for race relations...

Posted by: Druid at November 29, 2009 11:39 AM (Gct7d)

193 Yeah Blazer, I've been to Richmond many, many times, (conferences & concerts at the coliseum, & a good friend who attendended VCU in the early mid 90's) felt right at home.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:41 AM (6g7Js)

194 - Commitment to God
- Commitment to the Black Community
- Commitment to the Black Family
- Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
- Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
- Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
- Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
- Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
- Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
- Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
- Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
- Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
(TUCC still posts these on their web page, but explains them away)

Great! A racist socialist.

That always seems to work wonders for race relations...

Posted by: Druid at November 29, 2009 04:39 PM (Gct7d)








But yet the racist reverend lives in a million dollar mansion that backs up to a golf course and drives a Mercedes. Go figure.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 11:42 AM (+FzLa)

195 But yet the racist reverend lives in a million dollar mansion that backs up to a golf course and drives a Mercedes. Go figure.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:42 PM (+FzLa)

Maybe he's disavowed middleclassness and committed himself to the pursuit of upperclassness.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 11:44 AM (Ate22)

196

Maybe he's disavowed middleclassness and committed himself to the pursuit of upperclassness.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 04:44 PM (Ate22)






I'd say he was stuffing his pockets with tithe money and laughing all the way to the Country Club.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 11:45 AM (+FzLa)

Posted by: kidney at November 29, 2009 11:47 AM (1Bvxh)

198 Pray for the families of these officers.
I hope the perp suffers.

Posted by: kidney at November 29, 2009 11:48 AM (1Bvxh)

199 #192 Jose

Pretty damn dead on. I recognize every politician they portray and live right in the west side areas of the show. Grew up here. I built or worked on a large percent of the buildings all over the city in the last 20 yrs. The Wire and Homicide: Life on the streets were both very accurate. The Inner harbor area is the only somewhat safe area, most of the city you do not want to be in at night. East side is even worse but there is no reason to go there unless you work or live there.

It's ashame, I still like the city, but unless you grew up here and know how to navigate it, it is a dangerous place. And that's just the football team.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 11:56 AM (6g7Js)

200 "Well, your honor, while taking the suspect into custody I slipped and accidentally discharged my firearm ten times."

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 11:57 AM (P33XN)

201  "Well, your honor, while taking the suspect into custody I slipped and accidentally discharged my firearm ten times."

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 04:57

Dead men don't bitch about fat lips.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 12:06 PM (u+bxv)

202

The "New and Improved" Black Panther Party. Now with 50% more cop killings and hate of others.

Anybody bother to get Holders' take on this? I'm a moron, but there has to be some way the Feds can get involved. Had the races been reversed, I'm sure the Souther Poverty Lawless Center would be all over this. And don't tell me because this is a Northern city, this gets the Civ Rights Scumbags off the hook.

Is Jeesejaxson negotiating the perps surrender?

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 12:13 PM (u+bxv)

203 AGW -- I think some of those Washington state ELF eco-terrorists might have moved on from radio towers back in Sep. 2009.

I$lam -- Washington state also has the Somali immigrants laundering money for terrorist bin Laden through Dubai since 2001 through food stamps and remittances. Plus, they go join and die for the jihad in Somalia.

Gang Crime -- "The Washington Legislature's budget cuts have reduced the number of community corrections officers supervising criminals released from state prisons. Sen. Mike Carrell, R-Lakewood, argues lawmakers should make public safety a higher priority, no matter the budget challenges." ... "Two years ago, three police officers in King County were killed by released offenders who were not being well-supervised." 11/16/09 http://22ih.sl.pt

Asian Mafia -- "Worried that their city is becoming known for counterfeit handbags, watches, shoes and other knockoff merchandise, officials in the Tacoma suburb of Lakewood have put out the word: Knock it off. This week, city workers swept through the B&I Marketplace to check licenses and distribute warning letters to about 60 stores at the shopping center south of Tacoma." 4/9/09 http://22ii.sl.pt

Pimps -- "The Lakewood City Council passed an ordinance it hopes will make it easier for police to arrest prostitutes." 10/6/09 http://22ij.sl.pt

Gangsta Rap -- "Four people are in custody in connection with the fatal shooting and robbery of an armored car guard at a Wal-Mart store in Lakewood, Pierce County, on Tuesday. Among the four is a Wal-Mart employee. ... "They just walked up and executed him [security guard]," she said. "It was very violent, very coldblooded."" 6/3/09 http://22io.sl.pt

Grifter -- "Lakewood police say a mysterious woman known as Senora Monica offered to spiritually "cleanse" money for at least seven Hispanic families, but it was the families who got cleaned out" of nearly $140,000. [Illegal immigration must pay if each family had $20,000 in cash sitting around. Must be nice. For Christmas, I'm turning into an illegal. Bring on the free social services!] 8/12/09 http://22ip.sl.pt
..........
But I am happy to hear the police gave it to the media for reporting SWAT team locations. Reminds me of another Lakewood, WA resident who didn't feel the need for a photo op:
--The wife of Army Pfc. Brian Bates, who died Tuesday in Afghanistan, said she changed her mind and decided against allowing coverage after learning by phone around 11 p.m. EDT Wednesday that Obama would attend.

"Brian met the president, and that's all that matters," Enjolie Bates, who was not at Dover for the transfer, said in a telephone interview from her home in Lakewood, Wash. "I know he would like that. We didn't need to broadcast it to the world." 10/29/09 http://22ir.sl.pt

Posted by: FeFe at November 29, 2009 12:14 PM (7GTP7)

204

Posted by: kim in vancouver, usa at November 29, 2009 03:07 PM (J+IUl)

Yes Kim, WA state did execute Dodd, but there were libtards who wanted to save him even though he wanted to die.  Do you and PGIS remember Mitchell Rupe?  He murdered 2 bank tellers in an armed robbery so they couldn't testify against him.  He was sentenced to death (I think in the 80's) and then a judge ruled in the 90's that he was too fat to hang (one of the ways people were executed here) and that it would be cruel and unusual punishment because he weighed 425 lbs. and would be decapitated.  He only weighed 275 when he went to prison, and purposely stuffed his piehole so he could evade the death penalty.  He was also at the top of the transplant list for a liver until an outraged public found out that he was about to undergo surgery for one.  (He had advanced liver disease due to his cirrhosis and Hepatitis C).  He eventually died in prison in his fifties without receiving a new liver.  Yes, Seattle is really that bad.

King 5 was still reporting one gunman.  I found it really interesting that they mentioned he is black. Usually around here, a suspect's skin color is only mentioned if he is white.  (My one liberal girlfriend and I were joking about that recently).  If someone is black, it is never reported in Seattle.  I really wonder if he is someone who coverted to Islam in prison.  That is my gut feeling.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 12:14 PM (vEclT)

205 "True Bulwark but at these close ranges it doesn't take an expert. If they were seated in a booth it would have been almost impossible for them to react in time.
The gang bangers in LA are usually either driving by in a car or running away from each other shooting back behind themselves.

#105 & #115 had it right.

Hunt this POS down and don't let him make it to a trial. Let the detectives figure out what motivated him from his left over personal belongings.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:18 PM (6g7Js) "

 

I know many cops and civilians who could engage 4 targets grouped close together like that in 3 seconds, particularly when they are in an unthreatening environment with fellow officers.

This is a political act done by a True Believer.  We'll see what kind of shining path he was following soon (hopefully).

No funny stuff today.  The violence that the left seemed empowered to act with has escalated dramatically.  Starting with the campaign (Black Panthers & union thugs), to radical leftists, jihadists and the escalation of violence of union thugs dissenting from the agenda of the V.

Sad Sunday ladies and gentlemen.  We all need to make sure the hypocrisy of the left and the media gets smacked upside the head with some truth and common sense.  This insanity has gone on long enough.

Posted by: E.Holder at November 29, 2009 12:15 PM (LhCVS)

206
Back in the '70's Seattle's Pioneer Square was sketchy after dark, as was 1st Ave all the way past the Market and into Belltown. Pike Street was all whores all the time.
It sounds like after a short golden era of stability, chaos returns, kinda like ... um ... geez... drawing a blank here...

Posted by: Flying Monkey at November 29, 2009 12:19 PM (Oxen1)

207

Does Washington have capital punishment?

Yes.  Watching Jim Zorn coach the Redskins.

Wait.  What?

 

Posted by: Diehard Redskins Fan at November 29, 2009 12:22 PM (/4dJj)

208

FeFe at November 29, 2009 05:14 PM

Thank you for rounding up that info. For that you get a free AoS membership for life. Seriously, thanx. Musta taken awhile to round up that stuff.

Usually around here, a suspect's skin color is only mentioned if he is white. 

runningrn at November 29, 2009 05:14 PM

Same in jerkwater Scranton.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 12:23 PM (u+bxv)

209

Pike Street was all whores all the time.


So this is where ACE is gonna hang out the shingle for MoronPaloozaStock.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 12:27 PM (u+bxv)

210 The police meet there (Forza Coffee) every Sunday morning. It's at the NE corner of McChord AFB and right at the corner of the Tacoma PD, Pierce Co. Sheriff, and Lakewood PD jurisdictions. Often all three departments are there around shift-change to discuss what's happening in the area. Their marked units were parked out front.
I heard the first report on the scanner this morning and have been following it ever since. The first 911 cal was from a witness inside the shop who reported 3 officers down. The first deputy on the scene reported 4 down. The early reports were that the one shooter walked into the shop, pulled a gun, and fired 4 shots. He exited the shop, ran to the nearby car-wash and carjacked an extended-cab Chevy pickup. That's where the "accomplice" speculation came from. No one has heard from the truck-owner. They did impound such a truck after taping the doors and hood and are seeking a search-warrant.
There are off-duty cops here from Seattle, Fife, Gig Harbor, Tacoma, and Federal Way volunteering their time.
This is a very bad time to be a 20-30 yr Black male with scruffy facial-hair, blue jeans, black ball-cap, and a puffy black jacket over a gray hoodie!

ChrisP

Posted by: ChrisP at November 29, 2009 12:28 PM (9/7/h)

211 This did not happen in Seattle, this happened in the Tacoma/Parkland area. To put this in terms everyone will understand: if Seattle is a toilet, Tacoma/Parkland and Lakewood are the sewer/cesspools. This coffee shop is located across the street from the chain link fence to McChord AFB and not far from I-5 and SR 512. The area is so shitty the local media called it the Barmurder Triangle. Lots of low-rent apartments, nail salons, and strip malls. The area has undergone some improvement even from a few years ago but obviously not enough.

The problem in this whole western side of Washington State is that gangs, anarchists, and liberal lowlifes are not just tolerated, they are embraced. They always, ALWAYS make the news for destroying property, blocking shipments to the troops in Iraq, burning down million dollar homes (to save the trees) and generally being wastes of flesh. When the cops try to bring them in there is always some lefty lawyer there to protest that their "civil rights being violated". The City of Seattle actually PAID big $$$ to the WTO protesters who were arrested after they destroyed downtown in 1999.

This is beyond horrible. I'm hoping finally the good people in this area will wake the fuck up and see these freaks for what they really are and stop tolerating this shit. The next time one of these lowlifes stands in front of a tank I hope they have to pry him/her off the pavement with a spatula.

Posted by: NunyaBizness at November 29, 2009 12:29 PM (NNXtX)

212 sorry OT, not at all footbal but at least this is an open thread. A little girl who is dying of cancer in the next day or 2 wants to be #1 searched on google or yahoo today. She is currently #3 on google. If you can limit google search to Delaney Starcher and use Bing or whatever for other searches today it would be a comfort to the family if she makes #1.

Posted by: paleRider at November 29, 2009 05:07 PM (3usbu)






This was posted on the football thread. C'mon morons do your part.

Here's her page.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 12:37 PM (+FzLa)

213 The United States of America is an extremely violent country. And what the hell is wrong with an area filled with whores ?

Posted by: john at November 29, 2009 12:40 PM (m0Q2u)

214 The United States of America is an extremely violent country.

Excepting all of Africa, most of South America, swaths of Asia, and Russia.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 29, 2009 12:43 PM (n2wxa)

215

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:37 PM (+FzLa)


Aw, Blazer, you big softie, you!  I went to her link and googled her.  She is the number one hit on google now.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 12:44 PM (vEclT)

216 I think California CHP have a rule where no more than two police cruisers can be parked at the same (off-site) location -  I think this applies to lunch breaks and other informal non-police related activities. Also, not sure if the rule was written with this sort of incident in mind or if it just looks bad (people calling the cop shop to bitch about it) to see four cop cars at the local deli shop.

Posted by: 13times at November 29, 2009 12:45 PM (kuJMS)

217 I binged her, Blazer. (That sounds wrong.)

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 12:45 PM (lGWJA)

218 Christ, I just came back from a hike. All this horror went down while we were having a wonderful time. Food for sad thought.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 29, 2009 12:50 PM (QECjC)

219 damn I googled her and got hit with a malware attack when it pulled up. (no shit) Be carefull morons.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 12:51 PM (dqSzF)

220 @218: no, it sounds very right...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 29, 2009 12:52 PM (QECjC)

221
Aw, Blazer, you big softie, you!  I went to her link and googled her.  She is the number one hit on google now.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 05:44 PM (vEclT)





Go to her site at the link and put something on the guest book. It would probably mean a lot to her and her family.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 12:55 PM (+FzLa)

222 Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

Posted by: Bernardine Dohrn, who babysat POTUS' brats at November 29, 2009 12:57 PM (vn+LB)

223 #214 what the hell is wrong with an area filled with whores?


Don't know about where your from, but here in Bmore we may have lost the murder capital title but wer'e #1 in syphyliss (WOO HOO). That's why I'm switch everyone over to thai ladyboys here.


Soon as my container gets here.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 12:58 PM (dqSzF)

224 Washington State is a shithole, straight up. Submitted for your consideration, testimony from Washington native Kurt Cobain: "Fuck. I got out of Washington, made a mint, got hooked on horse, I'm back in Washington. Might as well put birdshot through my brainpan."

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 12:59 PM (daRzV)

225 wow...king 5 getting slapped with hindering an investigation  .. chopper has been causing problems

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 01:00 PM (uJBct)

226 Please to remember that the killer is, most likely, someone they know - a relative, coworker, spouse of a girlfriend.  Not enough information to the Islamofascist/nutjob theories yet.

Posted by: scar at November 29, 2009 01:02 PM (+zrXF)

227 >>on a Sunday morning, too<< Yeah. What you said. Because Sunday is any more special than the other six arbitrarily assigned "days of the week." Maybe god wasn't paying attention.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:05 PM (daRzV)

228 I'm sure that the usual suspects will cite this as yet another reason why the 2nd amendment should be ignored or repealed. Their logic goes something like this: Someone might yell fire in a crowded theater, so we have to do away with the 1st amendment so that everyone will be safe.

Posted by: Lee at November 29, 2009 01:06 PM (TcVyy)

229 #227

Dunno bro' the crime of passion thing is usually very personal involving multiple stabbings or shots of the so called love one. Not 4 single shots to the head of 4 different people. Thats cold. Thats professional. Not blind rage.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:08 PM (dqSzF)

230

Please to remember that the killer is, most likely, someone they know - a relative, coworker, spouse of a girlfriend.  Not enough information to the Islamofascist/nutjob theories yet.

Why the hell would the killer most likely be someone they know? Seriously, that seems the most stupid theory yet of all the stupid theories put forth here today. If they knew the killer I would more believe it was through a criminal connection rather than a personal one.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 01:10 PM (RZ8pf)

231 I take back my earlier compliment of KING 5, looks like they screwed the pooch with their helicopter reporting. Idiots.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 01:11 PM (RZ8pf)

232 I'm going with homegrown terrorist.  Prove me wrong.

Posted by: katya at November 29, 2009 01:12 PM (sHqiq)

233

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 05:55 PM (+FzLa)

Done.  Blazer, I'd like to think I did it for the children, but are you controlling mind thoughts via the inner tubes?  Are you some kind of virtual Svengali? 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:14 PM (vEclT)

234

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 06:08 PM (dqSzF)

Si, Si Senor.  I agree with you.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:15 PM (vEclT)

235 ah I missed monty's point earlier that if it was jihadi why stop with the police? Very good point. I withdraw the jihadi possibility.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:15 PM (dqSzF)

236

but are you controlling mind thoughts via the inner tubes?  Are you some kind of virtual Svengali? 

If you get the urge to look through Hustler magazine suddenly you'll know it's true...

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 01:15 PM (RZ8pf)

237 This is why officers like myself trust less than 0.01% of the population.  Sure, there are millions of good people out there, but there are also millions of them who want us dead because of our chosen profession.

It's why I carry my service pistol everywhere.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:16 PM (7Xwry)

238 I'm going with "sick fuck from rainy loser state with highest per capita meth consumption."

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:18 PM (daRzV)

239 Blazer, I googled then checked the first result and got one of those 'you must protect your computer from viruses by clicking here links.'  Which I killed with task manager, but folks should be warned not to do that and follow your link instead.

Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 01:18 PM (zyyJm)

240

If you get the urge to look through Hustler magazine suddenly you'll know it's true...

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 06:15 PM (RZ8pf)






Hustler magazine is soooo last century. You can get all the flesh you want  for free now with the click of a mouse.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 01:19 PM (+FzLa)

241 Wyatt: Thank you for serving. Your wife appreciates your dedication, but she'd appreciate a diamond for Christmas more. Dip into the till, brother. No one is looking.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:20 PM (daRzV)

242 Has Shep Smith mentioned the name of a suspect yet ?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 29, 2009 01:21 PM (QECjC)

243 Most likely as of now drug / organized crime related

Wasn't there a buch of these type of incidents in Mexico recently? Including machine gunning an entire police headquarters in Acalpulco? All drug related. Could be the US looking more and more like Mexico.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:21 PM (dqSzF)

244 Was it the guy in the Members Only jacket?

Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at November 29, 2009 01:21 PM (TJoID)

245 Blazer, I googled then checked the first result and got one of those 'you must protect your computer from viruses by clicking here links.'  Which I killed with task manager, but folks should be warned not to do that and follow your link instead.

Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2009 06:18 PM (zyyJm)






I suspect the 4channers are out in force today. Sad they can't stop from being sick fucks for just one day and have some respect for a dying little girl.


Anyway,  Here's her page.

That one is safe.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 01:23 PM (+FzLa)

246 217 I think California CHP have a rule where no more than two police cruisers can be parked at the same (off-site) location -  I think this applies to lunch breaks and other informal non-police related activities. Also, not sure if the rule was written with this sort of incident in mind or if it just looks bad (people calling the cop shop to bitch about it) to see four cop cars at the local deli shop.

Posted by: 13times at November 29, 2009 05:45 PM (kuJMS)


13X, it's for the latter, not the former (for the CHP).  The CHP is all about style over substance.  But FWIW, most dept's have similar rules for the same reason.

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 01:23 PM (86F8f)

247 Railwriter - Shh!  She might hear you!!

And count me in for the "I hope he resists" crowd.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:24 PM (7Xwry)

248 >>Wasn't there a buch of these type of incidents in Mexico recently? Including machine gunning an entire police headquarters in Acalpulco? All drug related. Could be the US looking more and more like Mexico.<< No, there weren't. The drug violence is between the Zetas, the Gulf Cartel, the Sinaloa Cartel, and the BLO. The contested area is Juarez, though there are others. Mexican "police headquarters" are not "machine-gunned;" Mexican police are largely complicit. SEDENA (Mexican Army) is complicit as well....

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:27 PM (daRzV)

249 #211 Chris P you wrote:

He exited the shop, ran to the nearby car-wash and carjacked an extended-cab Chevy pickup. That's where the "accomplice" speculation came from. No one has heard from the truck-owner.

Thanks for that post. Interesting info.  Is the above quote a reference to he hasn't hit the media yet, or he's missing and perhaps another victim?


Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 01:27 PM (uJBct)

250 >>...trust less than .01% of the population<< That may be bragging, Wyatt, to whatever purpose I can only guess. If it's not, and you really think that, you're kind of an asshole.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:32 PM (daRzV)

251 One update says that the suspect fled in "a white Chevy pickup truck abandoned at 134th Street and Pacific Avenue South." The truck was found about 2 1/2 hours after the shooting.

Must have been a racist Chevy.

Posted by: PA Cat at November 29, 2009 01:34 PM (l3v1U)

252 O/T  Huckabee couldn't score clear win against Howard Dean on Fox News Sunday. Just another reach around across the isle guy.
PS-Chris Wallace is just one of many liberal pieces of shit on the "conservative" network.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at November 29, 2009 01:35 PM (Oxen1)

253 Railwriter - Well, after seeing seven of my fellow officers - one being a very close friend - killed in the line of duty in three years, it's hard to think people aren't out to get you.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:36 PM (7Xwry)

254 249
Thats why I asked wasn't there? But I stand by the Acapulco HQ being machine gunned. I remember that news story. Dont make me do research. Also the story of several police chiefs seeking amnesty here in the USA cause they were being targeted by the cartels.

Then again these are MSM stories so the source may not be credible.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:36 PM (dqSzF)

255

i could care less what this asshole's motivation was, i look foward to reading about his getting gunned down like a dog while resisting/or execution

251  i have to agree with wyatt, you can't trust anyone, there's alot of hate out there just because of the badge

also if you're still around wyatt, after reading your blog for a while i have a question...why do you answer the phone?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 01:38 PM (ZIP3/)

256 Navycopjoe - Because if I didn't some toad would file a complaint, and in Philly, IAB believes you're guilty until proven innocent.  It's a joy.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:39 PM (7Xwry)

257 Current breaking news is that one of the officers got some shots off, and they are hoping the suspect is injured which will make him easier to track down.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 01:40 PM (RZ8pf)

258

257  you poor bastard

i always hated to take over dispatch when i was a watch commander, i couldn't hang up nor shoot myself to make the stupidity go away

i wish you could copy the conversations and post them but the lawsuits would fly

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 01:42 PM (ZIP3/)

259 I'd double-check the source, Bill. I haven't heard about Acapulco violence, especially since Calderon and Galvan want to keep a lid on shootings in tourist towns--and the cartels recognize that it's bad business anyway. Good story--a wealthy older lady in Culiacan (city in Sinaloa State, west coast of Mexico) starts hassling a younger woman in a beauty salon for being married to a cartel bigshot. The younger woman gets tired of it, tells the hairdresser to shave the older womans' head. "Terrified of cartel retribution, the hairdresser complied." Devil's haircut. WIN.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 01:43 PM (daRzV)

260 Navycopjoe - And no one would believe them.  A book would have to be published as "fiction."

ParanoidGirlInSeattle - If true, that would really help matters.  Scumbag has to be treated somewhere.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:44 PM (7Xwry)

261

pgis, how hard would it be for this dead man walking to get to canada?

i believe canada won't send a suspect back if he faces the death penalty

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 01:45 PM (ZIP3/)

262

pgis, how hard would it be for this dead man walking to get to canada?

i believe canada won't send a suspect back if he faces the death penalty

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (ZIP3/)





Not sure about Canada, but Mexico won't. At least a Mexican citizen anyway, unless a deal is cut that the perp will only get life in prison.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 01:47 PM (+FzLa)

263

i believe canada won't send a suspect back if he faces the death penalty

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (ZIP3/)

That doesn't seem to be the case any longer.  Canada extradited Charles Ng to California, and I believe he's now on Death Row.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 01:48 PM (Ate22)

264

navycopjoe, probably impossible at any of the border crossings I would assume. Lot of unguarded border though.

I think it more likely this guy trys to hide in plain sight like the guy who killed the Seattle police officer on Halloween.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 29, 2009 01:49 PM (RZ8pf)

265

my navycop school was out of norfolk and was taught by retired deputy sherriffs from portsmith county, some of the stories they told us was just insane, then i got to see how true they are

philly must make you drink pepto by the case

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 01:49 PM (ZIP3/)

266 Heh
Some reporter asked something like,"do you hope the suspect was hit?"

I loved that Troyer was blunt enough to say "yeah I hope he was hit, It would help identify him"

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 01:49 PM (uJBct)

267

One update says that the suspect fled in "a white Chevy pickup truck abandoned at 134th Street and Pacific Avenue South." The truck was found about 2 1/2 hours after the shooting.

Must have been a racist Chevy.

Yup, if it was a black chevy, Seattle media wouldn't have reported the color.  Heh!

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:49 PM (vEclT)

268 The Seattle police officer was shot around Haloween.  The following week there was a big funeral procession with police and firemen from all over.  It was covered on all of the local media.  At that time I thought that the extensive coverage might encourage some head case to go for his moment of fame.


Posted by: Huey at November 29, 2009 01:49 PM (RY0Ss)

269 I pulled one of these off once.

Posted by: Michael Corleone at November 29, 2009 01:50 PM (/pNJy)

270 Hey Wyatt friend of mine's a detective in Philly. They call him Rebel. You know him?

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:51 PM (dqSzF)

271

pgis, how hard would it be for this dead man walking to get to canada?

i believe canada won't send a suspect back if he faces the death penalty

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 06:45 PM (ZIP3/)

The last time I recall a known armed murderer running for the Great White North, the Canadian border patrol went running to the U.S. border patrol booths for protection.  (The Canadians are not armed). 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:51 PM (vEclT)

272 May if I knew the real name.  Don't give it here, but I'm a detective in North Philly

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:52 PM (7Xwry)

273 Yeah didnt want to give his real name. He's in south philly you would know the nickname if u knew him

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 01:55 PM (dqSzF)

274

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 06:39 PM (7Xwry)

Wow, being a Philly cop really does make you Wyatt Earp.  That's another hellhole of a city that has been mismanaged by Democrats for years.  I grew up in King of Prussia.  My parents use to volunteer at the Helping Hand Mission in Center City.  Wesley Cook (aka Mumia) was in my dad's Sunday school class/youth group.  My dad was always impressed with how bright and articulate he was.  Unfortunately, he became a Black Panther, and the rest is history. 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:55 PM (vEclT)

275 Runningrn - A history whose time should end soon, IMO

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 01:56 PM (7Xwry)

276   Blacks have committed crimes like this before--the shooting of four cops in Oakland this summer and the Zebra killings--but they get little analysis or attention.  Blacks commit 10x the crimes of whites, are encouraged to hate and be alienated, and even their most accomplished, people like Michelle Obama, have a huge chip on their shoulder.  They sing songs like "Fuck the Police" and when they kill white people, as in the LA Riots or New Orleans, liberals make excuses.

Don't expect this to remain on the wire very long.  It's a totally typical angry black crime.

Posted by: Roach at November 29, 2009 01:58 PM (Fznyt)

277 Amen to that, Wyatt.  Did his death row conviction get commuted to life?  I know his request for a new trial was denied.  My sister is convinced Obama is going to pardon him.  (Gee, and then maybe Teh Bamster will finally "lose" Michael Smerkonish).

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 01:58 PM (vEclT)

278 True dat, Roach.  In fact, more black people are killed/maimed by other black people by an huge margin too.  Only we are never informed of all the black on black crime.  However, if a white person says something derogatory or inflammatory about a black person, that is an endless loop on the news.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:00 PM (vEclT)

279 Runningrn - I don't think it was commuted yet, but don't be surprised if it does.

And Smerconish lost me a long time ago.  Sold out his conservative listeners to land a D.C. simulcast.  Man is despicable.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:01 PM (7Xwry)

280 The suspect has been shot by cops.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 02:01 PM (g7J39)

281

That doesn't seem to be the case any longer.  Canada extradited Charles Ng to California, and I believe he's now on Death Row.

Yeah, I was going to point this one out. It took Canada years and years to extradite him, though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 02:01 PM (P33XN)

282 277 even their most accomplished, people like Michelle Obama, have a huge chip on their shoulder


That's not a chip. It's a bandalero and a wookie blaster.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 02:02 PM (dqSzF)

283

Dack, here's the 411 on Ng:

After a six-year battle between the U.S. Justice Department and Canada, Charles Ng was extradited to the U.S. in Sept. 26, 1991 to face trial on 12 murder charges. Ng, familiar with American laws, worked relentlessly to delay his trial. Ultimately, Ng's case became one of the most costly cases in U.S. history, costing taxpayers an estimated $6.6 million for the extradition efforts alone. Ng Begins To Play With The U.S. Legal System: When Ng reached the U.S. he and his team of lawyers began to manipulate the legal system with endless delay tactics that included formal complaints for receiving bad food and bad treatment. Ng also filed a $1 million malpractice suit against lawyers he had dismissed at various times during his pre-trial hearings. Ng also wanted his trial to be moved to Orange County, a motion that would be presented to California Supreme Court at least five times before it was upheld. A Taxpayer's Nightmare: In October 1998, after 13 years of various delays and $10 million in costs, the trial of Charles Chitat Ng began. His defense team presented Ng as being an unwilling participant and was forced to take part in Lake's sadistic murder spree. Because of the video's presented by the prosecutors showing Ng forcing two women to engage in sex after threatening them with knives, the defense admitted that Ng 'merely' participate in the sexual offenses.   So lots of years and lots of money...

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:04 PM (vEclT)

284 281 Sick in mass  where are you getting that info?

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 02:06 PM (uJBct)

285

281  shot earlier or just now?

i hope he survives and is paralized

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 29, 2009 02:06 PM (ZIP3/)

286
251 That may be bragging, Wyatt, to whatever purpose I can only guess. If it's not, and you really think that, you're kind of an asshole.
Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 06:32 PM

The guy's an asshole because wants to go home to his family?

I'm pretty sure YOU'RE the asshole in this scenario.

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 02:06 PM (86F8f)

287 Nevermind .. I was thinking (hoping) that was a current interaction - not one that happened at the time of the incident this am

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 02:07 PM (uJBct)

288 #281

Now or at the original scene?

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 02:07 PM (dqSzF)

289
Not sure. That is what was just reported on the radio here.
I am searching...

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 02:11 PM (g7J39)

290 No, the guy's an asshole if he suspects that less than one in 10,000 Philadelphians is a criminal. When cops think they're cops first and sentient members of a community second, they're potential assholes. Please pay attention. I can't type in crayon.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 02:12 PM (daRzV)

291 ...bad math. If he *trusts* less than one in ten thousand to be a reasonable plebe.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 02:13 PM (daRzV)

292 The suspect has been shot by cops.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 07:01 PM (g7J39)

The Sheriff's Dept. spokesman says the suspect MAY have been shot by one of the four officers killed in the ambush -- that one of the officers was able to return fire and was subsequently killed.  But I haven't seen any report that definitively says the killer was shot.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 02:13 PM (Ate22)

293
Like I said: I'm pretty sure YOU'RE the asshole in this scenario.

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 02:14 PM (86F8f)

294 The way things are going in today's society, I hope every cop off the clock takes a service revolver wherever they go.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 02:15 PM (P33XN)

295 The perp may have been hit during the event. One of the officers was found in the parking lot with his gun drawn and some brass. PCSD spokesman Ed Troyer was on the tube saying that he hoped the perp was hit, as it would help identify him when he showed up to get treated for a gunshot wound.

ChrisP

Posted by: ChrisP at November 29, 2009 02:16 PM (9/7/h)

296 Big difference between trusting someone and suspecting they are a criminal.  In my job, we have to mistrust most people - at least at first.  Keeps you alive.

And again, after seeing 7 co-workers murdered in three years, I'll stand by that statement.  If that makes me an asshole to you, so be it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:17 PM (7Xwry)

297 I can't believe there has not been an update since this morning on this story.

Posted by: logprof at November 29, 2009 02:17 PM (I3Udb)

298 Okay, bronze, you're probably right.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 02:17 PM (daRzV)

299 hutch1200, thank you and I accept.

Posted by: FeFe at November 29, 2009 02:18 PM (7GTP7)

300 According to Fox, the owner of the coffee shop is a retired police officer. Understandably, he's taking the murders particularly hard.

Posted by: PA Cat at November 29, 2009 02:18 PM (l3v1U)

301

why limit ones self to 6 shots?

Cuz it's difficult to strap an assault rifle to your ankle.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 02:18 PM (P33XN)

302 Dack - People should take a page from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.  Carry enough weapons to amaze and astound the guy at the gun locker.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:20 PM (7Xwry)

303 I'm sure when this perp is ultimately "brought to justice", we will learn that he comes from a broken home with no father figure, was abused and neglected by his drug addicted/alcoholic mother and molested by all of her live in boyfriends, has a low I.Q., was lonely and isolated despite growing up in a large chaotic family, was unable to find gainful employment because of George Bush's racist, elitist policies, was called the "N" word once, was the victim of racism, poverty, rogue white cops, and evil white opportunists who took advantage of him at a young and tender age.  (Did I miss anything?) 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:21 PM (vEclT)

304 Oh, I forgot PTSD!  (He experienced some major life trauma at some point in his life--just like most people).

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:23 PM (vEclT)

305 And the kids in high school teased him.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:23 PM (7Xwry)

306

Dack - People should take a page from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.  Carry enough weapons to amaze and astound the guy at the gun locker

I figure you ought to carry a bazooka with you when you're off duty, but I'm not sure they make a holster for one of those.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 02:23 PM (P33XN)

307

yes, he voted for obama a couple of times.

Ha! Ha!  I forgot that one.  Good on ya, sTevo!

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:24 PM (vEclT)

308 Rail I saw that happen to every one of my friends ('cept one who quit less than 2 yrs after he joined the force). You can't blame em though. The crap they see and have to put up with does that to em. We stayed good friends for about 5 yrs, by 10 they were different people. There were cops and there were non-cops, thats it. One got real screwed up after being called to a scene where a mother had microwaved her infant. He was never the same after that.

They don't get called to give out good citizen awards all day long. They deal mostly with scumbags and lowlifes and every now and then get to help someone and actually see they made some kind of a difference.

God Bless em. If thats what it takes to keep doing their job, then thats what it takes. Better safe than sorry especially when sorry = dead.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 02:24 PM (dqSzF)

309 How do you "suspect someone is a criminal?" Because you "don't trust" more than %.01 of the people you meet? If you have to "mistrust most people," you're a poor situational judge and a middling cop. Try more training; you're wasting your time and the taxpayers' money being paranoid.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 02:25 PM (daRzV)

310

runningrn at November 29, 2009 07:21 PM (vEclT)

You're also forgetting the best part.

Despite all of these factors, the perp was "getting his life together" right before he committed the crime.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 02:25 PM (P33XN)

311 Bill - Don't misunderstand, I am not one of those gung-ho, live-for-the-job-types.  I have a family, friends, and co-workers I care about, and I rarely if ever talk about work when off duty.  And very few of my close, long-term friends are police officers.

That being said, if we get careless or lazy at work, we get dead - especially in a city like Philadelphia.  I can't put it any simpler than that. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:28 PM (7Xwry)

312

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 29, 2009 07:25 PM (P33XN)

Right you are, my friend!  Yes, and he was a quiet and respectful man who helped little old ladies across the street.  His neighbors said he was always willing to lend an helping hand if they ever needed it.  He had been attending church and looking for meaningful work.  His frustration with the illegal Iraq war and the evil Bush Hitler's racist economic policies had him stymied, and that is when he took matters into his own hands.  Family members say he was a peace loving, gentle man, and that they are shocked and never saw this coming (despite his numerous violent felony convictions and multiple incarcerations). 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:30 PM (vEclT)

313 Railwriter, are you a cop in a big, corrupt, crime infested city?  If not, then I suggest you might want to shut your piehole.  (And I mean that most respectfully).  Until you have walked in another man's shoes, you shouldn't be so quick to judge. 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 02:32 PM (vEclT)

314 Railwriter - You aligned mistrusting most people with suspecting someone is a criminal.  I said there was a big difference between the two.  You can not trust someone without thinking they have a long criminal history.

As for your pronouncement on my 15-year career - after reading about five posts on this blog - thanks for the advice.  I'll take it under advisement.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:33 PM (7Xwry)

315 Didnt mean it that way Wyatt. Was taking up for you. My friends arent gung ho just jaded in certain ways. I notice the difference when we hang out, but I understand why. They see alot of horrible shit.

I agree with you. I used to do some private security work for rich assholes. Not much danger but still had to constantly watch everyone as a potential threat. (mostly guys wanting to show off how wealthy they were without having someone kick their ass and take their wallets no real threats) That being said the only scumbags I had to deal with were usually the uys employing me.

Nothing but respect for you bro' or did you have me confused with railwriter?

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 02:38 PM (dqSzF)

316 I emailed my friend who is on with Seattle PD. He was on shift the night another officer was assassinated by someone with a grudge against the police. My friend told me that this incident is only going to make his job more difficult. I'm so pissed right now. If you go to KOMOnews.com, look at their comments section. There are some truly sick people. There was some troll literally cheering the murders. Hopefully one of the officers was able to hit the suspect.

Posted by: 4k78 at November 29, 2009 02:39 PM (rYlhO)

317 Bill - Wasn't slamming you, sir.  Just clarifying what kind of person/police officer I am for those who want to jump to conclusions.  And we have something in common: The people who employ me - at least our mayor and commissioner - are also scumbags.  Just my $0.02.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:39 PM (7Xwry)

318 No, I'm not a "cop in a big, corrupt, crime infested city." I'm an American living in a country that presumes innocence until guilt is proven. I'm an American proud of a judicial system that empowers law enforcement to bring suspects to justice, not to apply justice based on suspicion. My country hasn't yet surrendered to guilt by suspicion. I live in Virginia, I carry concealed, and I'll defend my right to speak my mind and not "shut my piehole." Please be smarter. America has a dearth of idiocy. Stop contributing.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 02:40 PM (daRzV)

319 4k78 - I get about five comments like that a day.  Especially after a police officer is murdered.  They usually are sent to the spam folder, but they are infuriating.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:41 PM (7Xwry)

320 My parents use to volunteer at the Helping Hand Mission in Center City.  Wesley Cook (aka Mumia) was in my dad's Sunday school class/youth group.  My dad was always impressed with how bright and articulate he was.  Unfortunately, he became a Black Panther, and the rest is history.

Holy crap, runningrn! Talk about brushes with history!

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 02:41 PM (gofDd)

321 I live in Virginia, I carry concealed

Others of us live in cities where we're not allowed to carry concealed and gang violence is an every day thing. It's nice you can presume everyone to be innocent until proven guilty, but the rest of us live in reality and know that if someone looks like a gangbanger, odds are they're a gangbanger.

And if everyone's innocent until proven guilty, why do you carry concealed?

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 02:44 PM (gofDd)

322 Railwriter - The cool thing about that is that I will defend my life for your right to speak your mind.  Although I am still waiting for the accusation of applying justice based on suspicion.  15 years and not one single solitary IAB complaint.  I guess I'm doing it wrong.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:45 PM (7Xwry)

323 "90 They all were from the Lakewood PD." Ack. I lived in Lakewood from 67-70 when my dad was flying C-141's out of McChord. My thoughts and prayers are with the families, and not on the POS who did this. I'll avoid speculation and wait for the facts on this perp to come out.

Posted by: Angus Dei at November 29, 2009 02:45 PM (WAI6U)

324
322 No, I'm not a "cop in a big, corrupt, crime infested city." I'm an American living in a country that presumes innocence until guilt is proven. I'm an American proud of a judicial system that empowers law enforcement to bring suspects to justice, not to apply justice based on suspicion.

My country hasn't yet surrendered to guilt by suspicion. I live in Virginia, I carry concealed, and I'll defend my right to speak my mind and not "shut my piehole." Please be smarter. America has a dearth of idiocy. Stop contributing.
Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 07:40 PM (daRzV)


Pot, meet kettle.

Thanks for confirming my earlier assessment!

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 02:46 PM (86F8f)

325

He went to a car wash and 'jacked a truck?

Not having a getaway car stashed somewhere and relying on the hit or miss proposition of a successful carjacking seems to take the pro out of the professional aspect of this.  A real pro killer acting alone would have a stolen car parked in a nice legal near by space. 

The team that murdered Paul Castellano and John Bilotti planned the hit for about three months.  Were it not for Sam Gravano, the murders might have never been solved. 

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2009 02:47 PM (wwQxi)

326 Note to self:  railwriter  = asshole

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 02:50 PM (cEOZd)

327

why limit ones self to 6 shots?

Cuz it's difficult to strap an assault rifle to your ankle.

I have a "compact" .45 that can hold 14 rounds.

Sadly, I fear that if the SHTF, I'd need every one of them.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 29, 2009 02:54 PM (n2wxa)

328 KING5 is now saying one of the officers struggled out the door and got some shots off at the perp before expiring. They are hoping he's wounded. I'm hoping he's bled out.

Posted by: Angus Dei at November 29, 2009 02:54 PM (WAI6U)

329 Please be smarter. America has a dearth of idiocy. Stop contributing.

Talk about a need to follow his own advice...

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 29, 2009 02:55 PM (n2wxa)

330 I have not read 325+ comments yet, but I have to get this off my chest:

WHY have not the Florida Highway Patrol, along with local authorities, performed a dynamic entry at Tiger Woods residence, shot any dogs found, and hauled his sorry ass out of the house and down to central booking for interrogation? 

After begging like lapdogs THREE times for a statement to complete their police paperwork, what other options are left?

Everyone out there who believes that your wife (or significant other) would be able to tell the cops that you were napping and could not be disturbed following your 2 AM trashing of a fire hydrant and a neighbors tree, please share with the rest of us your secret. 

Other than being filthy rich, of course.

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 02:55 PM (to8xo)

331 Please be smarter. America has a dearth of idiocy. Stop contributing.

Condescension can be indicative of a tragically false sense of self-importance.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 29, 2009 02:56 PM (554T5)

332 TXMarko - Absolutely no reason why they are kowtowing to Woods'.  Well, other than the aforementioned filthy richness.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 02:58 PM (7Xwry)

333 Wyatt Earp--Are you an officer? If so, thanks for your service. I work in the child abuse/neglect field as an investigator and work with the police all the time. I support them 100%. The people who knock the police are the same ones causing problems in the first place.

Posted by: 4k78 at November 29, 2009 02:59 PM (rYlhO)

334

TXMarko

Because a "fender bender" is not considered a crime.  He gave the cops his license, registration, and insurance info.

People don't get hauled off to jail for a minor accident.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 02:59 PM (cEOZd)

335 @272 It's changed, Canada recently armed their border guards.    Their first shot in anger was to kill a moose.  :0  http://tinyurl.com/yaxfr8v

Posted by: ARL at November 29, 2009 02:59 PM (xCoRj)

336

After begging like lapdogs THREE times for a statement to complete their police paperwork, what other options are left?
Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 07:55 PM (to8xo)

Tiger Woods doesn't have the right NOT to talk to the police?

Did Florida repel the fifth-amendment?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 03:00 PM (H7Rlw)

337 @334

Perhaps because the damage done was to property and not to persons? 

If he'd hit a neighbor with his car, then he should be hauled in.  But a tree and a fire hydrant?  His BAC would be on file at the hospital, so if he was intoxicated then he'll be charged with that, I'd presume.

LEOs do not need to go in to a house, guns 'ablazin', for property damage.


Posted by: Intrepid at November 29, 2009 03:00 PM (92zkk)

338 The cops do have a suspect, with a LONG rap-sheet, including child-rape and assault on a police officer. They have 'interviewed' his girlfriend, and are trying to find him. They thought they had him 30 minutes ago, but it was just a man who looked remarkably like him. No harm came to him. This is from the scanner, not the "NEWS".
Looking at his court records, I would be quite surprised if it is NOT this guy.
Also, looking at his rap-sheet, I find myself wondering WTF is this guy doing on the street?

Justice in the blue state of WA, I suppose.

Cheers!
ChrisP

Posted by: ChrisP at November 29, 2009 03:01 PM (9/7/h)

339

Because a "fender bender" is not considered a crime.  He gave the cops his license, registration, and insurance info.

People don't get hauled off to jail for a minor accident.

Posted by: lan sing at November 29, 2009 07:59 PM (cEOZd)





Smacking someone in the melon with a golf club is.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 03:01 PM (+FzLa)

340 4k78 - Yep, I'm a detective in Philly.  And thank you.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:01 PM (7Xwry)

341 #329

Didn't mean professional assassin. Meant professional as in is definetly familiar with firearms, acted (from the reports) calm & collected. Has probably been in a firefight before. I know he hit all 4 officers, question is how many total rounds did he fire? Would narrow it down a bit more.

I'm getting more confused the more I find out. Right now don't know who or why just know I want him dead.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:01 PM (dqSzF)

342 Blazer - They can haul in Mrs. Woods for, um, close examination.  Heh.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:03 PM (7Xwry)

343 Unless Woods has been implicated in a crime, I don't think they  can "haul his ass off".  Especially if he has an attorney to answer questions.  Perhaps murdering a fire hydrant, assaulting a tree and robbing an Escalade of its fender are  felonies in Florida.

Posted by: Ghost of Christmas Past at November 29, 2009 03:03 PM (H1Qt1)

344 This thread has degraded beyond repair.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2009 03:03 PM (fZ3++)

345
Remember when PHIL HARTMAN'S coked-out wife shot and killed him?

Posted by: namewing plover at November 29, 2009 03:03 PM (1HKg5)

346 TXMarko, as of today we still have a Fifth Amendment; Mr Woods doesn't even owe the police the time of day.  I would out of courtesy give the police my lawyer's name phone number. 

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2009 03:03 PM (wwQxi)

347 Blazer,,,only if the smackee presses the issue or the cop witnesses it.

Posted by: Ghost of Christmas Past at November 29, 2009 03:04 PM (H1Qt1)

348 Tiger Woods doesn't have the right NOT to talk to the police?

Maybe, like Adam Baldwin, he's a secret AoS Moron and watched the "Don't talk to police" video from a few nights back.

Posted by: DSkinner at November 29, 2009 03:05 PM (Cuhuo)

349
Legal Insurrection has a pretty good take on the Tiger Woods incident.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 03:05 PM (+FzLa)

350 Area man, Navin Johnson, was quoted as saying, "Somebody hates these donuts!"

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2009 03:06 PM (XH/G8)

351 >>Railwriter - You aligned mistrusting most people with suspecting someone is a criminal. I said there was a big difference between the two. You can not trust someone without thinking they have a long criminal history.<< Well, yes, I did. We're talking about criminality, and I'm claiming that "mistrusting most people" is akin with "suspecting someone is a criminal." I'm not sure I see that there's much gulf. As for the last sentence of your note, I can't take that seriously. Do you really believe that?

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:07 PM (daRzV)

352 352 Tiger Woods doesn't have the right NOT to talk to the police?

Maybe, like Adam Baldwin, he's a secret AoS Moron and watched the "Don't talk to police" video from a few nights back.

Posted by: DSkinner at November 29, 2009 08:05 PM (Cuhuo)

I sat both my kids down and had them watch it with me, followed by a short discussion period.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 03:07 PM (H7Rlw)

353
TXMarko.. if the accident happened on a public street where damage occurred (fire hydrant), he would have to talk, but the fact that it was on private property frees him. Its strictly an insurance matter at this point.


Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 03:09 PM (g7J39)

354 "dearth |dərθ| noun [in sing. ] a scarcity or lack of something : there is a dearth of evidence. See note at lack . ORIGIN Middle English derthe (originally in the sense [shortage and dearness of food] ) (see dear , -th 2 )." A dearth is a shortage, not an abundance. "Better to keep your peace and be assumed an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Posted by: Angus Dei at November 29, 2009 03:09 PM (WAI6U)

355

I'm an American living in a country that presumes innocence until guilt is proven. I'm an American proud of a judicial system that empowers law enforcement to bring suspects to justice, not to apply justice based on suspicion.

Yes, we have the presumption of innocence in this country (one of the things that makes us a great country).  You however were loathe to give any such courtesy to Wyatt who was merely expressing the need to be vigilant and trust his gut policeman instincts.  I find that rather disingenuous of you.  Just because he doesn't trust people (people are inherently evil), you are quick to judge him as "paranoid", "a middling cop", and "an asshole".  You accuse him of "wasting his time and taxpayers' money being paranoid" merely for having a desire to stay alive.  You recommend he get more training and you lecture those of us who support him as being stupid. 

We get it.  We can see you think you are smarter than the rest of us as you tell admonish us to "pay attention, I can't type in crayon."  I think you seem to have a negative view of the police from the statements you made.  Even the one where you supposedly thank him for your service, you imply that cops are corrupt:  "Your wife appreciates your dedication, but she'd appreciate a diamond for Christmas more. Dip into the till, brother. No one is looking." 

"My country hasn't yet surrendered to guilt by suspicion"--but you have with Wyatt judging by your comments.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:10 PM (vEclT)

356 Cheers!
ChrisP

Posted by: ChrisP at November 29, 2009 08:01 PM

Chris, keep us in the loop. Mucho appreciated.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 03:11 PM (u+bxv)

357 331 Rob Crawford

What model is that ? I'm limited to my 1911 (8 rounds) or my little pocket AMT (5 rounds) 14 rounds of .45 acp in a compact? I want one.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:13 PM (dqSzF)

358

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 07:44 PM (gofDd)

WTR!  I could hug you right now!  Amen Sistah!  (That guy really rankled me, I'm thinking he could be a troll).  I shouldn't let small minded people piss me off like that, but he really hit a nerve.  I respect and support our police.  I have an even more respect for those who serve in large, crime infested corrupt cities.  I use to go to Philly every Sunday when I was growing up.  It was a hellhole then and it's a ton times worse now. 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:13 PM (vEclT)

359

Posted by: Angus Dei at November 29, 2009 08:09 PM (WAI6U)

Oh, I love you morons!

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:14 PM (vEclT)

360 Actually, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is applicable only in a court of law, if I am not mistaken.

Police are not bound by this presumption - they must follow the evidence as it leads them, even if the evidence points to the guilt of an innocent person. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, lawyer-folk and police-folk....

Posted by: Intrepid at November 29, 2009 03:15 PM (92zkk)

361 Woods should have lawyered up at the start instead of jerking the cops around.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2009 03:16 PM (E1SVo)

362
railwriter, why don't you fill out and app and go to the academy?  Probably because your too much of a coward to actually do a man's job.  It's much easier to talk smack to someone on the internet than it is to actually do something though, isn't it?

You're a child.

Posted by: thebronze at November 29, 2009 03:17 PM (86F8f)

363 @366 Nah, maybe one too many DUIs.


Posted by: Intrepid at November 29, 2009 03:18 PM (92zkk)

364

Posted by: ARL at November 29, 2009 07:59 PM (xCoRj)

Thanks for posting that.  From your link:

As of March this year, more than 800 border officers had been trained and assigned a duty firearm, the 9 mm Beretta P4X Storm.

The agency wants to arm 4,800 guards at all land and marine border points by 2016.

I wonder why it's going to take so long?

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:19 PM (vEclT)

365

Because a "fender bender" is not considered a crime.  He gave the cops his license, registration, and insurance info.People don't get hauled off to jail for a minor accident.Posted by: lan sing

350 TXMarko, as of today we still have a Fifth Amendment; Mr Woods doesn't even owe the police the time of day.  I would out of courtesy give the police my lawyer's name phone number.  Posted by: Pelayo

Nice fantasy world, folks!  Sure sounds nice there.  Try telling your arresting officer you dont have to give him the "Time of Day" the next time you get pulled over.

Down here in Texas, they have recently started taking blood samples from you for nothing more than having a freaking license plate light out.

Y'all be sure to mention that 5th amendment thing as your otherwise innocent ass is shoved into the back end of a late model Impala while they "sort things out".

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 03:21 PM (to8xo)

366 Chris P  thanks for your updates / info. 

Sounds like, if that is the right guy, it may be another case of people out of prison who shouldn't be.  This area certainly had a rash of police killed a few years ago by that demographic.

 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 03:21 PM (uJBct)

367 Angus: Noted. Thanks. I meant "more." Tripped over my own tongue/typing. Happens to the worst of us. Running: You're jumping to several conclusions that aren't supported. I'm not sure what's "disingenuous" about my post--I think I've been pretty clear--but I'm ready to read your interpretation. Alternatively, get frustrated and cuss me.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:22 PM (daRzV)

368

The agency wants to arm 4,800 guards at all land and marine border points by 2016.

I wonder why it's going to take so long?

Because they can't be made fast enough since barry got elected? Thus creating a huge run on weapons and ammo.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 03:23 PM (u+bxv)

369 365 Woods should have lawyered up at the start instead of jerking the cops around.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2009 08:16 PM (E1SVo)

Possibly, or maybe he started off trying to be nice, and then realized or was advised, that the police may be trying to make this into something it isn't, and decided that it wasn't in his best interest in talking to them. Odds are that both he and his wife may have acted illegally and don't wish to hand the cops a shovel to bury their own selves.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 03:23 PM (H7Rlw)

370

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 08:23 PM (u+bxv)

Don't they make that stuff up North?

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:24 PM (vEclT)

371

Morons! (and ettes) Greetings--

This is tragic.

So Tiger Woods in a car wreck is "we interrupt this broadcast for a special announcement worthy" but this was not?? (presuming not--I was at the game--didn't have access to a tv). 

I assume you guys have all the facts--at least what's known at this point-going back to start at the top of the thread.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 03:25 PM (Bv+GH)

372

The cops do have a suspect, with a LONG rap-sheet, including child-rape

Perhaps he has fled to Switzerland or Hollywood. They approve of child rapists there as long as it wasn't rape-rape

Posted by: dagny at November 29, 2009 03:26 PM (3v1zR)

373 Yes presumption of innocence only applies in court, and I can form any opinion I want about anyone, as long as I'm not sitting on his/her jury.


BTW I have well formed opinions about all of you morons already based on no evidenve whatsoever. If that makes me a bad person. SO BE IT.

just kidding. 'cept about the first part.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:26 PM (dqSzF)

374 @366  That sounds close to the chickenhawk crap we hate from the Left.

Posted by: DSkinner at November 29, 2009 03:26 PM (Cuhuo)

375 TXMarko.. if the accident happened on a public street where damage occurred (fire hydrant), he would have to talk, but the fact that it was on private property frees him. Its strictly an insurance matter at this point.
Posted by: sickinmass

Thank You!  You are correct! 

Would he still face possible charges on operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, despite it being on Private Property?  There are a lot of people who have been pulled over for suspected DUI, even before they leave the parking lot.....

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 03:27 PM (to8xo)

376 What's fucking tragic is that this is leading all the radio and internet news blurbs, and the AGW story is still ice cold.  The press ought to be hounding the Algore, not the Cablinasian

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2009 03:27 PM (XH/G8)

377 >>...probably easier to talk smack<< Of course it is. That hasn't a thing to do with what I do for a living, or whether I'm 'man enough' to do that job, but you're right--it's much easier to 'talk smack' on the internet...

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:27 PM (daRzV)

378 Railwriter wrote: As for the last sentence of your note, I can't take that seriously. Do you really believe that?

Poor wording.  Should have been "You can mistrust someone without thinking they have a long criminal history.  I mistrust Barack Obama.  I don't believe he has a long criminal history.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:28 PM (aKJg8)

379

 "Down here in Texas, they have recently started taking blood samples from you for nothing more than having a freaking license plate light out."

Why do so many people want to live in Texas?  I used to live in New Mexico.  The reason is gets so windy there is because Arizona blows and Texas sucks.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2009 03:30 PM (wwQxi)

380

the 9 mm Beretta P4X Storm

They're made in Barrettastan. Well, that's what I heard at LgF

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 29, 2009 03:31 PM (u+bxv)

381
Why do so many people want to live in Texas?

Jobs, my friend.  Jobs.

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 03:33 PM (to8xo)

382 #328 I mistrust Barack Obama. I don't believe he has a long criminal history.


Hmmm, community organizer, acorn lawyer, college proffessor, state senator, US senator.

Sounds pretty fuckin criminal to me.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:33 PM (dqSzF)

383 Bill - Criminal history.  He just hadn't been charged . . . yet. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:34 PM (aKJg8)

384 railwriter couldn't pass the background check.

And as for the police wanting to talk to Tiger, they don't care about the "accident", they want to investigate the domestic violence (which they are obligated to do).  Tiger doesn't want to inciminate his wife.

Posted by: Freida Lay at November 29, 2009 03:34 PM (ax4Qo)

385 Wyatt, sounds like "mistrusting people" is a prerequisite for law enforcement. Do you generally "mistrust people?" Is that necessary for good policing?

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:34 PM (daRzV)

386
Tiger's waiting for the swelling to go down so hopefully the cops won't be able to read the Big Bertha logo stamped on his face...it seems a little suspicious to me, that if Elin heard a crash, and she was running out of the house to help, why she would bring a golf club with her? Why wouldn't she simply run out of the house to help, or call 911?

Time for this little Swede to lawyer up, not with Allred, but with the divorce shysters.. for I am smelling humongous alimony/child support and plus she doesn't look that bad and I would imagine a few guys would hit on her. Hurry sweetpea before the looks go. You can catch another tiger by the tail on the way down to your 40s.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 03:35 PM (g7J39)

387 You're right Wyatt. I'm profiling again aren't I?

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 03:36 PM (dqSzF)

388 "the background check?" Silly duck.

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:36 PM (daRzV)

389 despite it being on Private Property?  There are a lot of people who have been pulled over for suspected DUI, even before they leave the parking lot.....

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 08:27 PM (to8xo)


I had to do a breathalyzer test in the parking lot of a pool hall once.

It was novel...


Posted by: Shannow at November 29, 2009 03:37 PM (LJcef)

390 Tiger doesn't want to inciminate his wife.
Posted by: Freida Lay

I'll bet you the club she took after him with cost more than $700. 

I would LET her hit me with one if I could pawn or sell it the next day...

Posted by: TXMarko at November 29, 2009 03:37 PM (to8xo)

391 It is a prerequisite. Right before they hand you your firearm, they pull out the Sean Connery line from The Untouchables

"Who can you trust?  You can trust no one because nobody wants you here."

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:37 PM (aKJg8)

392
312

How do you "suspect someone is a criminal?" Because you "don't trust" more than %.01 of the people you meet?

If you have to "mistrust most people," you're a poor situational judge and a middling cop. Try more training; you're wasting your time and the taxpayers' money being paranoid.

Posted by: railwriter

Jumping in here, out of my place, I do not trust anyone until they have earned it.
Just like that nameless-faceless off my front bumper changing lanes without signaling, could be fatal and happens several times everyday.

Most of those that I trust, I trust them to be self-serving dirt-bags, very reliable at that, and they earned that trust.
Not a LEO.

Posted by: Druid at November 29, 2009 03:38 PM (Gct7d)

393 Freida, women don't go away for domestic violence very often.  Another one of the legal double-standards that protects people other than white Christian heterosexual males who pay taxes, obey the law, speak English and have a job.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2009 03:38 PM (XH/G8)

394 Getting a Scandi mad enough to go upside your head with a golf club is an accomplishment.

Posted by: steevy at November 29, 2009 03:41 PM (QWIzU)

395 Tru-believe it or not, if it gets reported they at least go to jail in some states. 

Posted by: Freida Lay at November 29, 2009 03:42 PM (ax4Qo)

396 >>Most of those that I trust, I trust them to be self-serving dirt-bags, very reliable at that, and they earned that trust. Not a LEO.<< Paraphrased: "The people I trust are dirtbags, because they've proven to me that they're dirtbags." Huh?

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 03:42 PM (daRzV)

397 Chris P you have good info!  News conf now giving out his info as person of interest.   

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 03:42 PM (uJBct)

398 Who is this Railwriter of whom you bash?  He's got stupidity, arrogance and intellectual dishonesty.  He sounds like a topic better left to the cables. 

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 29, 2009 03:42 PM (vEclT)

399 Orbusmax.com (the northwest version of Drudge) has cleared its page of all news except for information on the shooting. Good for them that Tiger isn't a headline and Ace is on the blogroll.

Posted by: Shannon at November 29, 2009 03:43 PM (niZOC)

400 This is what happens when we don't get fed a new thread every so often- we get chippy and go after each other. 

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2009 03:43 PM (XH/G8)

401 Who's Charlie Gibson? Is he new here.. cause I never heard of him.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 03:45 PM (g7J39)

402 Person of interest previously received early release from Huckabee in Arkansas 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 03:46 PM (uJBct)

403

"Tiger doesn't want to inciminate his wife." 

No one has to speak to The Cops.  It could be a domestic issue, another reason to keep quiet.   I believe that in most states, in cases of spousal abuse, the victim does not have to file a complaint.  If the police want to investigate it as domestic violence, they can, and TW and his wife cannot  be compelled to say anything.  

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2009 03:46 PM (wwQxi)

404
Person of interest previously received early release from Huckabee in Arkansas 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 08:46 PM (uJBct)




Are you shittin me?

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 03:47 PM (+FzLa)

405 "Jason Blair, Dan Rather, OJ, Michael Mann, and Al Gore walk into a bar". And they all have to buy their own drinks. With their own fuckin' money. For once. Fuck them.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at November 29, 2009 03:49 PM (8WOM0)

406 408  Just heard that on KIRO tv.  It's MSM so use the salt shaker accordingly. 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 03:50 PM (uJBct)

407 Taco-Ma. Imagine that...

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 03:52 PM (EL+OC)

408 I got your back, runningrn! You're my moronette sistah!

I respect and admire the people who have what it takes to be cops. There are good and bad in all professions, but I like to think the good cops like Wyatt outweigh the bad. And especially because I live in LA and see the beatings LAPD takes not only from the citizens of this city, but its brass, I'm more sympathetic to LAPD.

It's probably biased of me to side with cops as a knee jerk reaction until the facts come out, but I was raised to believe that cops are generally good people. I'll still keep me mouth shut if ever questioned, but for the most part I trust cops to do their jobs.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 29, 2009 03:53 PM (gofDd)

409 komo4 on twitter only noted him as a robbery suspect from Arkasas. No follow up so I guess they're stopping there.

Posted by: Shannon at November 29, 2009 03:54 PM (niZOC)

410
408  Just heard that on KIRO tv.  It's MSM so use the salt shaker accordingly. 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 08:50 PM (uJBct)




If thats the case, Awwwshucksabee can hang it up, this will be his Willie Horton moment.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 03:55 PM (+FzLa)

411 WTF is going on over at Hot Air?? They didn't even report this story. What gives?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 03:56 PM (IGJdh)

412

Thanks again, WTR!  And yeah, I'm with you. 

From the Kiro website:

Ed Troyer of the Pierce County Sheriff's Office said they are looking for Maurice Clemens.

Troyer said evidence leads police to believe that Clemens was in the area of the shootings. He has a lengthy criminal history.

The officers -- three men and a woman from the Lakewood Police Department -- were sitting in the coffee shop with their computers, getting ready to begin their shifts when the gunman came in at about 8:15 a.m., fired on the officers and fled, said Troyer.

One of the slain officers was identified as Sergeant Mark Renninger, who grew up in Bethlehem, Penn.

A statement from his family said, "Mark was a professional, dedicated police officer who made the ultimate sacrifice. More importantly, he was a loving and devoted father, husband and family member who will be missed by many."

Renninger's family said the officer is survived by his wife, two daughters and a son.

So sad.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 29, 2009 03:57 PM (vEclT)

413 Oops sock!

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 03:57 PM (vEclT)

414 Gather with me now, as I offer a prayer to some overlord who has the keys to this blog. O Dave in T   deliver us. thx

Posted by: Jimmy Swaggart at November 29, 2009 03:58 PM (cIkZu)

415 lacey - Lot of outlets barely touched it.  Drudge has one link.  Lots more of Tigergate.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 29, 2009 03:58 PM (rc5U6)

416 WTF is going on over at Hot Air?? They didn't even report this story. What gives?

Too busy digging up dirt on Palin and Beck. HA sucks now.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 03:58 PM (EL+OC)

417
Maurice Clemmons, 37.. is the person of interest.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 03:59 PM (g7J39)

418 414
If thats the case, Awwwshucksabee can hang it up, this will be his Willie Horton moment.

Similar thought came to my mind as well. 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 04:00 PM (uJBct)

419 I still like a lot of stuff in the headlines and Ed at HA, and Allahpundit is still pretty humorous, but, yeah, AP is ever so slowly scooting left.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 29, 2009 04:01 PM (B5cM9)

420
Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.
Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.
"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.
Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:02 PM (g7J39)

421
400

>>Most of those that I trust, I trust them to be self-serving dirt-bags, very reliable at that, and they earned that trust.

Not a LEO.<<

Paraphrased: "The people I trust are dirtbags, because they've proven to me that they're dirtbags."

Huh?

Posted by: railwriter

Do not paraphrase - read it directly -

"Most of those that I trust, I trust them to be self-serving dirt-bags, very reliable at that, and they earned that trust."

I trust that dirt-bags will be dirt bags.
Not so sure I can trust those that appear to be good samaritans to be good samaritans.


Posted by: Druid at November 29, 2009 04:02 PM (Gct7d)

422 What's the record for comments on a single post?


My scroller bone is sore.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 04:03 PM (dqSzF)

423

 361 Posted by: Bill in Baltimore

I just picked up a new S&W Sigma 40acp that holds 14, fairly resonable price too. normal size, might be a little big for concealed carry though.

Posted by: mrfixit at November 29, 2009 04:03 PM (b41Iz)

424

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 09:02 PM (g7J39)

Wow, that's going to leave a mark on Huckabee.  This guy had no business being out of jail. 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 04:03 PM (vEclT)

425 Oops sock!

Sockpuppets? Haven't heard of them.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 29, 2009 04:03 PM (Cuhuo)

426 good god


now out on bail facing life in prison as a persistent offender (3 strikes) for child rape. 

Posted by: anne at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (uJBct)

427
Actually, Hot Air does have this story up in The Green Room.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (+FzLa)

428

And geez, how does one have 8 felony convictions in WA state and still be out on the street?  We supposedly are a "3 strikes law" state.  Unbeliveable. 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (vEclT)

429 Thanks Wyatt, I'll check that page. (Although it's sickening I have to dig to find info on this. This should be everywhere).

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (IGJdh)

430 #424

If that's accurate the Hucksters DONE.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 04:05 PM (dqSzF)

431 How can anyone be that violent and crazy for so long and STILL get clemency?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 29, 2009 04:06 PM (H7Rlw)

432
He's a convicted pedophile too (though not sure if he was convicted in Arkansas or elsewhere).
People like him should NOT even be considered for clemency. Fuck!

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:06 PM (g7J39)

433


I just picked up a new S&W Sigma 40acp that holds 14, fairly resonable price too. normal size, might be a little big for concealed carry though.

Posted by: mrfixit at November 29, 2009 09:03 PM (b41Iz)




I've got the Glock 22 .40. It holds 15+1 and I never leave home without it.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:07 PM (+FzLa)

434
That's the second guy who was granted clemency and killed (or killed again).
Way to go Mike!

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:10 PM (g7J39)

435 KIRO showed a pic of this Clemmons character. Looks like a black Muslim to me.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 04:10 PM (EL+OC)

436 SiM - I think this is the same article you found but here's the article I found at the Seattle Times. http://tinyurl.com/y8zhutl If he's the guy, Huckabee is finished.

Posted by: Shannon at November 29, 2009 04:10 PM (niZOC)

437

Huckabee is finished in 2012 if it turns out to be the guy.  Holy shit.

Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2009 04:11 PM (rmNST)

438
If that's accurate the Hucksters DONE.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:05 PM (dqSzF)




Yep, stick a fork in him.

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:11 PM (+FzLa)

439
If it turns out Clemmons was the shooter today, Huckabee might as well put on a helmet, ride a tank and enjoy the Dukakising of his political career. Palin would beat him up big time with clememcy for a man like Clemmons.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:12 PM (g7J39)

440

Blazer at November 29, 2009 09:07 PM (+FzLa)

well, this is my first. havent got a cc permit yet (got to get downtown to the sheriff's office. it was on sale for $377, and S&W had a $50 mail in rebate on thier website, so I couldnt pass it up.

Posted by: mrfixit at November 29, 2009 04:13 PM (b41Iz)

441


Hey Huck, call me.

Posted by: Michael Dukakis at November 29, 2009 04:13 PM (+FzLa)

442 Huckabee is finished in 2012 if it turns out to be the guy.  Holy shit.

Good.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 04:13 PM (EL+OC)

443

Wow, this is absolutely staggering and blood boiling.

As part of the child-rape investigation, the sheriff's office interviewed Clemmons' sister in May. She told them that "Maurice is not in his right mind and did not know how he could react when contacted by Law Enforcement," a sheriff's report says.

"She stated that he was saying that the secret service was coming to get him because he had written a letter to the President. She stated his behavior has become unpredictable and erratic. She suspects he is having a mental breakdown," the report says.

Deputies also interviewed other family members. They reported that Clemmons had been saying he could fly and that he expected President Obama to visit to "confirm that he is Messiah in the flesh."

(OK, I had to laugh at that one because there is no way Barry would confirm Clemmons was the "Messiah in the flesh.")

News accounts out of Arkansas offer a confusing — and, at times, conflicting — description of Clemmons' criminal history and prison time.

During one trial, Clemmons was shackled in leg irons and seated next to a uniformed officer. The presiding judge ordered the extra security because he felt Clemmons had threatened him, court records show.

Another time, Clemmons hid a hinge in his sock, and was accused of intending to use it as a weapon. Yet another time, Clemmons took a lock from a holding cell, and threw it toward the bailiff. He missed and instead hit Clemmons' mother, who had come to bring him street clothes, according to records and published reports.

On another occasion, Clemmons had reached for a guard's pistol during transport to the courtroom.

When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property. Records from Clemmons' sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

Clemmons served 11 years before being released.

News accounts say Huckabee then commuted Clemmons' sentence, citing Clemmons' young age at the time the crimes were committed.

But Clemmons remained on parole — and soon after landed in trouble again. In March 2001, he was accused of violating his parole by committing aggravated robbery and theft, according to a story in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazzette.

He was returned to prison on a parole violation. But in what appears to have been a mistake, Clemmons was not actually served with the arrest warrants until leaving prison three years later. As a result, Clemmons' attorney argued that the charges should be dismissed because too much time had passed. Prosecutors dropped the charges.

It appears that Clemmons remained in trouble with Arkansas authorities even after moving away. This year, while Clemmons was living in Washington, a warrant was issued for his arrest, accusing him of being a fugitive from Arkansas.

This whole saga is littered with government incompetence and malfeasance.  It is absolutely unbelievable.  God help the families of those slain officers.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 04:14 PM (vEclT)

444 Seems like the suspect has a long, sad history of crime.  I hope he's just a common, evil criminal.  I do NOT want a string of Muslims committing crimes like this... anything like that could eventually lead to bad, bad things in this country.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 29, 2009 04:17 PM (B5cM9)

445 No surprise that Fuckabee would approve early release. I'm hearing this guy has a history of child rape and shooting at police officers. What's not to love? The moron from Arkansas is an example of everything I dislike from the evangelical wing of the Republican Party: consistently conservative on issues like abortion and gay marriage, but often committed to Sowellian cosmic justice on other fronts: immigration, crime, etc.

Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 04:17 PM (BBlLR)

446 Posted by: Barbarian 446 Huckabee is finished in 2012 if it turns out to be the guy. ..Good.


Ditto.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:18 PM (g7J39)

447

Nice going Fuckabee.

You'd expect this out of a alls-I'm-saying-is-give-peace-a-chance progressive but a conservative like Fuckabee??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2009 04:18 PM (IGJdh)

448

When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property. Records from Clemmons' sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

I may not be the best at math, but shit how many long prison sentences does one need to recieve before they lose the key already?

Oh and huck, don't quit the weekend job.

Posted by: Naan at November 29, 2009 04:19 PM (YR3gL)

449 Yeah,
I was not gonna post the name here, as it would be prejudicial, But Maurice is the guy they are seeking. He is a BAD man with a long rap-sheet. Still listening to the scanner as multiple teams are checking any places that he is known to frequent. They are looking hard for him. It may go badly for him, as there is, perhaps, a bit of hostility from the investigating officers. Duh!

So it goes in East Pierce County, WA...
Still listening to the scanner.

ChrisP

Posted by: ChrisP at November 29, 2009 04:19 PM (9/7/h)

450 well, this is my first. havent got a cc permit yet (got to get downtown to the sheriff's office. it was on sale for $377, and S&W had a $50 mail in rebate on thier website, so I couldnt pass it up.

Posted by: mrfixit at November 29, 2009 09:13 PM (b41Iz)





I cc carry everywhere but work, because the company doesnt allow it. Through the years I've only ever had to draw a weapon once and that was at a gas station after midnight in a bad part of town.

The problem was quickly resolved and no blood was shed. However I'm sure a set boxer shorts were soiled.


Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:20 PM (+FzLa)

451
I hope who ever is responsible for this horrendous crime is caught soon, like before this night is over.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:21 PM (g7J39)

452 It's good to have good citizens cc'ing.  Often it's the first defense of society when bad guys go postal.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 29, 2009 04:22 PM (B5cM9)

453 Never tried the .40 cal round. I've always been partial to .45 acp, .44 special, & .357 mag. Been a long time since I checked ballistics reports on ammo but last time I checked the .357 was a 97% one shot stopper (especially my federal 125gr hydra shocks) and the .45 acp most rounds were in the 88-90% one shot stoppers.
So I alternate depending on clothing worn during what time of year & ease of concealability

How is the .40's performance? (It was a new round & they didn't have the data built up on it last time I was adding to the old arsenal)

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 04:23 PM (dqSzF)

454
Interesting.
Sickening too.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 04:24 PM (g7J39)

455

Oh, my the NY Times can recall that the suspect was scruffy, but, surprise, they can remember that he is black.

Wonder why?

"Initially, there were conflicting reports whether one or two men were involved. The lead suspect was said to be about 5 foot 8 inches tall, in his 20s or 30s with scruffy facial hair and wearing a black coat and blue jeans. “Someone came in and opened fire,” Mr. Troyer said"

Here is the AP story, they seem to remember a fact here.

"Troyer said the suspect is a black male, 5-foot-7 and 5-foot-10, 20s to 30s, scruffy appearance, wearing a black coat, blue jeans"

What fact did the Times leave out???

Wonder why????

Posted by: Kemp at November 29, 2009 04:24 PM (2+9Yx)

456 Wyatt, sounds like "mistrusting people" is a prerequisite for law enforcement. Do you generally "mistrust people?" Is that necessary for good policing?

Posted by: railwriter at November 29, 2009 08:34 PM (daRzV)

What do you think, genius?  Should a police officer trust that the driver in every routine traffic stop is an ordinary, law-abiding citizen?

http://bit.ly/63slhG

A man wanted for violating his parole killed three police officers and gravely wounded another in two shootings Saturday, the first after a routine traffic stop and the second after a massive manhunt ended in gunfire, authorities said. The gunman was also killed.

The violence began just after 1 p.m. when two officers stopped a Buick sedan in east Oakland, said Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason. The driver opened fire, killing one officer and gravely wounding the second.

Posted by: stuiec at November 29, 2009 04:24 PM (Ate22)

457 "I'm hearing this guy has a history of child rape and shooting at police officers." I should qualify that by saying those are things I'm hearing from people in the area. I'm in the Puget Sound, but haven't been able to watch the local coverage in the past few hours.

Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 04:25 PM (BBlLR)

458 Gabe has a new thread up about this complete with Flaming Skull.

Posted by: PA Cat at November 29, 2009 04:26 PM (l3v1U)

459

457  Bill in Baltimore

Don't know yet, I still have to find a range close by. There was one about 5 miles from home, but it closed.

Posted by: mrfixit at November 29, 2009 04:26 PM (b41Iz)

460
How is the .40's performance? (It was a new round & they didn't have the data built up on it last time I was adding to the old arsenal)

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at November 29, 2009 09:23 PM (dqSzF)




The .40 is fairly comparable to the .45. Some say it is more devastating, presenting a more brutal ballistics pattern and delivering more hydrostatic shock. I use 185 grain jhp in mine.

Ammo is a bitch to get right now though

Posted by: Blazer at November 29, 2009 04:26 PM (+FzLa)

461 This is starting to sound like a movie script that was rejected because it sounded preposterous.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 04:27 PM (W98LL)

462 "Troyer said the suspect is a black male, 5-foot-7 and 5-foot-10, 20s to 30s, scruffy appearance, wearing a black coat, blue jeans" Count your blessings. It's a miracle the AP would even report the suspect's race. They usually fail to report that detail themselves.

Posted by: Mike Z. at November 29, 2009 04:27 PM (BBlLR)

463 For cc I prefer a .38 +P wheel gun. Easy and light to carry. Pull the trigger and it always go bang.I have a few small and large autos but, .38 gets my vote.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 04:28 PM (EL+OC)

464 Graveyards are filled with dead folks who trusted too much. Cops can't read minds. Trust, but verify. In other words, don't trust.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 04:28 PM (W98LL)

465

Chris,

Thanks for the updates!  I'm crossposting them over at Arfcom, hope that's cool.

Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2009 04:29 PM (rmNST)

466 I can't read all of these comments.
I'm astounded that a corvette speeding south was dispatched with "information only".
One scruffy white guy one black guy.
I'm also concerned that scruffy white guy might be a captive from the car wash.
Could be a co-conspirator but time will tell.

Have a heads-up to someone in Lewis County.
They know the deputies there.  Expecting a call back just to chat.

Posted by: MostlyHarmless at November 29, 2009 04:34 PM (9/7/h)

467

Posted by: sickinmass at November 29, 2009 09:24 PM (g7J39)

Gosh, I read your link, and I wish I hadn't.  Mike Huckabee has gone from being a naive doofus to complicit in cop killings and another murder.  I always knew that he was squishy, but this is really bad.

 

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 04:34 PM (vEclT)

468

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2009 09:28 PM (W98LL)

That was Wyatt's point too.  Unfortunately, Railwriter couldn't seem to grasp it.

Posted by: runningrn at November 29, 2009 04:35 PM (vEclT)

469 Re: 74
One made it outside that person was in the parking lot.
There was brass and his/her arm had been drawn.

Posted by: MostlyHarmless at November 29, 2009 04:38 PM (9/7/h)

470 This is starting to sound like a movie script that was rejected because it sounded preposterous.

What's that old saying, truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to stick to the possibilities; truth doesn't.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 29, 2009 04:39 PM (Cuhuo)

471 Nine young kids between the slain officers. Tragic.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 04:39 PM (EL+OC)

472 Out puppet!

Posted by: DSkinner at November 29, 2009 04:41 PM (Cuhuo)

473 Also listening to the scanner here in King and Sno and the cops have a dragnet out along the 5 and all major side roads.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2009 04:43 PM (EL+OC)

474

I figured that the gunman was all strung out on Keefee Olberdork left wing rants, trying to rid the world of fascists.

 Seriously,this is tragic. It looks like they never had a chance. Pray for the victims and their families.

 This reminds me of the 4 RCMP constables who died near Mayerthorpe, Alberta- trying to apprehend a lunatic with a high powered rifle. They at least had some sort of forewarning.

 What a sad state of affairs and what a tough way to make a living?

 

Posted by: chicocano at November 29, 2009 05:10 PM (2n5cq)

475

 

I spent the day out at the range with my beretta 92 .What a sweet gun Just had my cc class

Posted by: Scott at November 29, 2009 05:31 PM (EvIp4)

476 233 I'm going with homegrown terrorist. Prove me wrong. I'm going with gay Scientologist dressed as a catholic priest. Prove me wrong. Extraterrestrials have kidnapped the Olsen twins and replaced them with robotic dopplegangers. Obama is really a Libertarian Republican seeking to destroy the chokehold of Marxist Leftist ideology on our nation by demonstrating the disastrous outcomes that result when those ideas are implemented. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

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477 Yeeah. A shithead. Welcome.

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